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Hans Lindberg, a 56-year-old Swede, points toward an area of reeds that has risen from the Baltic Sea, forming a land bridge to what used to be an island where he spent his summers as a child in the early 1960s.
LULEA, Sweden -- A Stone Age camp that used to be by the shore is now 125 miles from the Baltic Sea. Sheep graze on what was the seabed in the 15th century. And Sweden's port of Lulea risks getting too shallow for ships.
In contrast to worries from the Maldives to Manhattan of storm surges and higher ocean levels caused by climate change, the entire northern part of the Nordic region is rising and, as a result, the Baltic Sea is receding.
"In a way we're lucky," said Lena Bengten, environmental strategist at the Lulea Municipality in Sweden, pointing to damage from superstorm Sandy that killed more than 200 people from Haiti to the United States.
The uplift of almost 0.4 inches a year, one of the highest rates in the world, is part of a continuing geological rebound since the end of the Ice Age removed a vast ice sheet from regions around the Arctic Circle.
As sea levels rise, Kiribati eyes 6,000 acres in Fiji as new home
"It's a bit like a foam-rubber mattress. It takes a while to return to normal after you get up," said Martin Vermeer, a professor of geodesy at Aalto University in Finland. Finland gains 2.7 sq miles a year as the land rises.
In the Lulea region just south of the Arctic Circle, mostly flat with pine forests and where the sea freezes in winter, tracts of land have emerged, leaving some Stone Age, Viking and medieval sites inland.
That puts human settlements gradually out of harm's way from sea flooding, unlike low-lying islands from Tuvalu to Kiribati or cities from New York to Shanghai. Facebook is investing in a new data center in Lulea on land that was once on the seabed.
A recent study published in the journal 'Nature' suggests the U.S. may experience a 5 ft. rise in sea level given all of the fossil fuel that has already been burned. NBC's Anne Thompson reports.
But rising land also means costs. Lulea is planning to deepen its port by 2020 to let in bigger ships and offset land rise at a cost of 1.6 billion Swedish crowns ($237.86 million).
"Even if we didn't have the ambition to have larger ships we would still have to do it on a smaller scale just to compensate for the land rise," said Roger Danell, head of the port.
Alister Doyle / Reuters
A view of the Swedish Baltic Sea port of Lulea Nov. 14, 2012.
Shallower port
Dredging just for existing ships would cost $60.46 million as the water gets shallower at the port that was last deepened in the 1970s, construction manager Jeanette Lestander said. Main exports are iron ore and the main import is coal.
But a projected rise in sea levels due to global warming means dredging to offset land rise for the next 40 years will be slightly less than in the 1970s.
Splits between rich, poor nations persist as climate talks open in Doha
"The rate of sea-level fall will be slowing," Lestander said during a visit to the port. The future sea fall is estimated at 0.28 inches a year from 0.35 inches.
In the north of Sweden, 125 miles inland and 558 feet above current sea level, archaeologists recently found a 10,700 year-old Stone Age hunters' camp near Pajala that was originally by the Ancylus Lake, the forerunner of the Baltic Sea.
"We carbon-dated burnt bones from a fireplace," archaeologist Olof Ostlund at the Norrbottens museum said. The hunters would have been near the retreating ice sheet that was once 1.9 miles thick.
In the past century, as the climate has warmed, sea level rise has accelerated. Scientists predict it will only increase, and they're studying changes in the ocean and land to better understand how and why the water is rising. NBC's Anne Thompson reports for "Changing Planet," produced by NBC Learn in partnership with the National Science Foundation.
Activists hope storm-struck US will deliver at Doha climate talks
Experts examined sediments that showed the camp was on the shore of the former giant lake, briefly isolated from the North Sea by land uplift in the south before breaking through again.
Lulea's old town, with a 15th century church and bright red-painted wooden houses, was originally built on an island for safety when it was as an outpost of the then Swedish-Finnish Kingdom to counter Russian influence near the Arctic Circle.
Now the village is high and dry, out of sight of the sea. Sheep graze on a field in what used to be the port. In one spot, Sweden's coastline has risen about 984 feet since the Ice Age ended about 10,000 years ago.
Water receding after Biblical flood?
The falling water level puzzled people for generations. Some Christians believed it was caused by still-receding waters after the Biblical story of Noah who built an Ark to rescue the world's animals from a God-sent flood.
Elsewhere in the world, many nations are worried by potential costs if sea levels rise in line with scenarios by the U.N. panel of climate scientists for a gain of 7-24 inches this century after 6.7 inches in the last century.
The panel says that rising temperatures, caused by emissions of carbon dioxide from burning fossil fuels, are the cause.
The U.N. projection excludes the possibility of an acceleration of the melt of Greenland and Antarctica, because that is uncertain.
Even so, many experts expect a quickening thaw and say that sea levels could rise in total by 3.3 feet this century.
Experts say human-produced carbon dioxide is playing a big role in the warming of the atmosphere, which is having a major effect on the world's oceans. Warmer oceans results in rising sea levels and more powerful hurricanes – but reversing the effects of global warming could take decades. NBC's Robert Bazell reports.
Ice melt found across 97 percent of Greenland, satellites show
Near Lulea, local resident Hans Lindberg, 56, looks out of the wooden seaside cabin that his parents built in 1960 toward what was then the island of Kalkholmen a few hundred yards away.
"We could look out from here and only see the sea," he said, pointing to a muddy bank where reeds are growing and linking the island to the mainland. Residents of the former island say they fear the link may bring unwanted visitors -- perhaps burglars.
Alister Doyle / Reuters
Lindberg shows a family photo from the early 1960s of two girls playing in a sandpit that used to be at his parents' summer cottage near Lulea.
"You can walk to the island now. When I was young my father had a heavy boat that we could pull through the shallow part of the channel. That's now impossible," he said.
As evidence of the change, he shows a faded album with a black and white photo of two young girls -- his sister and cousin -- playing in a sandpit in the 1960s by the cabin. It shows an open sea with no sign of the muddy causeway.
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The rising ocean theory is such BS that it can be debunked with a 5th grade science experiment! (I won't discuss the land rising; but maybe this will explain it):
Get a very large vessal (tub etc); fill it half full with water. The other half, place ice blocks in it!!
Mark the water level at this point! Let the ice melt completely, and you'll see that the water level actually dropped! Reason is; water, in the form of ice EXPANDS! (hello,,,,burst pipes in winter). As it melts, less volume is taken.
While I won't deny that seas may be rising, it is NOT due to polar ice caps melting, but rather, ground ice melting running into the sea. My guess is that in another 40 years, we'll get back to more normal weather pattern. You should also note that the Pacific ocean is actually getting colder, so all you tree huggers can put you "global warming" theories aside, because obviously,,,,,,,5th graders ARE smarter than you!
It doesn't mean we shouldn't clean-up our act; we should! We don't have to wreck a world economy doing it!
you are correct, and also, ever since the last ice age, there is more and more land mass to absorb heat from the sun. That is a good thing. How would we ever be able to feed the population of earth with all of that ice. No one ever thinks of that, not even big Al.
Hey, if you build your house below sea level or right next to the ocean, you might want to read the story of the 3 little pigs.
I remember the "Blizzard of 78" It crippled the east coast, and many homes destroyed by the weight of snow. When a nor-easter comes through, and all the conditions right for the "perfect storm," there ain't crap any of us can do about it! When it all gets centered into one area; life as we know it will change.
Can't screw with mother nature; or God!
You mean there actually is a God? What a mind bender that is, never thought of that before.
Well; there was a Book of ancient prophecy written, and much of that has come to pass! While I'm not in the business of changing minds, there were some thing predicted, too-many-thousands of years ago, that have come true, or quickly coming true. (does the Euro; one-world currency ring a bell??). You may construed there is no heaven; and for those that do, I pray there ain't no hell!
More recently, I understand the Rolling Stones have added a verse to their song; "Sympathy for the Devil" as such:
"I was around in Amerika, when I saw it was time for hope & change"
“Lied and cheat to get my way, in order for who I say rich, should pay”
“Please to me you”
“Could Barak Obama,,, be my name?”
"Now what's troubling you is the,,nature, of MY GAME!
do - a doooo; do - a dooo
Hate to burst your bubble Planeguy - nobody has ever claimed sea levels are rising due to melting north polar ice cap. See, that's called a "straw horse"; you make up something that nobody said, then debunk it. In less polite company, that's called "lying".
Factually, most of the global warming induced sea level rise seen to date is due to the expansion of the oceans as they get warmer. FACT. Sorry, the fact that ice floats doesn't overrule the fact that water expands as it warms (gretest density of pure water happens at about 4C, go ahead, look it up). Science isn't sissor-paper-stone.
And as far as your "guess". Well, thats called "guessing". Science shows you are wrong from the get go. Give. It. Up.
The sea levels do not rise because of melting polar caps. They are already in water and therefore their meting will not add to sea levels. It is land based glaziers that melt will add to sea level. Antarctica has ice mass more than a mile high sitting on land. When this ice melts you bet water levels will rise.
Also when the land is not crushed under the weight of glaciers will suddenly "pop out" and rise. This will affect the shape of the earth and its axis. This will cause the earth to roll and reel (Bible prophets said that) like a drunkard.
The will be more land than sea when the glaciers melt. May be the axis will be such that whole earth may get even sunshine and food production will be greater. World without end says the Bible. Amen to that!
3mm is not 1.2 inches per year, at the 4:30 mark of the sea level rise video. Either it is 3cm is 1.2 inches or 3 mm is .12 inches. This same clip, or one very much like, it was shown 6 months or so ago and I commented at that time, but here we are again, a math failure trying to write science commentary.
Maldives? That's why they are building new airports and new resorts in order to bring even more tourism to this Island nation. The Maldives is milking the scam. Asking for money on one hand claiming that man made CO2 is flooding them while on the other hand trying to get people to produce even more CO2 by traveling to the Maldives. If the Maldives were truly worried they would stop all tourism. The two problems that the Maldives does have are too many people and using the coral (the islands themselves) for building materials. Fresh water is a big concern. Another reason to stop tourism in order to save the water for the natives.
http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/freshwater_lens/id/6077123#.ULThrmf5oiw
http://portal.unesco.org/fr/ev.php-URL_ID=13604&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html
http://geography.about.com/library/misc/ucghyben.htm
Manhattan?
Check out the hurricane of 1821. Nothing that happened in 2012 with Sandy didn't happen 190 years ago. It's just that more people live in New York now.
A Cat 3 hurricane hit next to New York in 1938.
In 1954 three Cat 3 hurricanes hit the east coast, one of them during a full moon that combined with a cold front just like Sandy. But Sandy wasn't even a weak Cat 1 when it hit. It had been downgraded to a post tropical cyclone.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/oem/html/hazards/storms_hurricanehistory.shtml
Sea levels have been going up since the last ice age. But it isn't rising faster. Sea level rise has actually slowed in recent years. Sea level went down in 2011.
http://climate4you.com/images/UnivColorado%20MeanSeaLevelSince1992%20With1yrRunningAverage.gif
http://sealevel.colorado.edu/files/2011_rel4/sl_ns_global.png
So we have natural rising land recovering from the weight of glaciers from the last i age and naturally rising seas that have been doing so since the last ice age. But it isn't happening any faster and the only influence man has on it is building too close to the waters edge.
Shooting themselves in the foot. Killing the goose that laid the golden egg etc.
We humans are very foolish, then look to other reasons why we weren't wrong.
We'll see the same in 4 years, why the bozo recently elected, caved our economy, and they'll all say (wait for it,,,,,,,,,,,,)
It's Bush's fault!
Humans are stupid; American's the most!
First you start with the typical debunker, confusing climate with weather, and performing the wrong kind of analysis.
You convieniently forget to mention that intense storms that effected 1% of the surface area of the earth, now effect 10% of the surface area. That paper this year.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/climate-change-is-here--and-worse-than-we-thought/2012/08/03/6ae604c2-dd90-11e1-8e43-4a3c4375504a_story.html
You act like you think think sea level rise has been at some continious rate-of-rise since 10,000 years ago, when in reality, its hasen't, not at all....
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://curryja.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/post-glacial_sea_level.png&imgrefurl=http://judithcurry.com/2011/07/12/historic-variations-in-sea-levels-part-1-from-the-holocene-to-romans/&h=359&w=526&sz=23&tbnid=maOatZ4hp8Q78M:&tbnh=90&tbnw=132&zoom=1&usg=__WjpeaKt4xPBC-J43jIM8zLEFvdg=&docid=-gWZCXqCKRwxkM&sa=X&ei=2Aa1UO-5OIjByQH724GoCw&ved=0CGYQ9QEwBw&dur=3031
In fact, it slowed way way down 8000 Years Ago, and was nearly absent (almost no rise) from 0-1900 AD.
And YES it has accelerated, and you just IGNORE THE DATA:
The IPCC AR4 statement on historic sea level rise from AD0 is cited below:
“Yes, there is strong evidence that global sea level gradually rose in the 20th century and is currently rising at an increased rate, after a period of little change between AD 0 and AD 1900. Sea level is projected to rise at an even greater rate in this century.
The two major causes of global sea level rise are thermal expansion of the oceans (water expands as it warms) and the loss of land-based ice due to increased melting…
What you present is not "dissent", it is not an "alternate scientific view", a "reinterpretation of data",
Its willful ignorance of fact.
Why hasn't the shipping industry switched to dirigibles? They can carry massive loads & with a lot less damage to our failing environment!
At the same time, we should ALREADY be operating our electrical energy system with MAGNETICALLY-DRIVEN ELECTRICAL ENERGY for home & automobiles! It's 100% NON-POLLUTANT & 100% FOSSIL FUEL FREE, it's extremely cheap to manufacture, install & maintain! And, on top of it all, there would not be anymore MASSIVE POWER OUTAGES like NYC & NJ just experienced because EACH SYSTEM IS INDEPENDENT FROM EACH OTHER!
TR, I think you better stop watching those science fiction movies, either that or slow down on the Med MJ.
MAGNETICALLY-DRIVEN ELECTRICAL ENERGY for home & automobiles! Yikes!
To what lengths will the marxists of the world go to foist this charade of global warming on us in their quest to extort the all mighty tax dollar from us? There is no proof of global warming, other than the BS that the morons of the planet buy at our expense. Why don't they just come out and tell the world that they need our money to support their parasitic constituencies, those that don't want to work for a living, those that think we owe them something just because their mothers slept with their absentee fathers. There are better ways of dealing with them than just throwing more money at them. If they are not part of the solution then they are part of the economic problem. Time to set up soup kitchens, and goodwills around the country, stop food stamps, if they want to eat, then they will have to get off their lazy rumps and go to the soup kitchen, obesity in America would become non-existent.
There already are 'soup kitchens', and Goodwill does a bang up business. From the urban centers to small towns of 1000 or less. Not in your neighborhood, I'm sure. Likely you and yours don't have to frequent them, and likely you and yours don't volunteer at them, either, since you seem to be unaware of their existence.
BTW- Glad to hear everyone in your family is fit and trim.
Also- the story of the loves and fishes notwithstanding, charity isn't 'magical'- other people do contribute time and money.
There is a corollary to that:
No proof of Global Warming is sufficient for Morons.
The climate is changing the ocean is warming, but not because of the atmosphere as the so-called experts say. Restricting autos and industries will not stop the climate change. It is what the earth does. Mother Earth is a fickle woman, she likes to change clothes every so often. And she "WILL" no matter what we do.
There is increased volcanic activity undersea which is raising the water temperature. It cannot be "fixed" it must be adapted to.
It is moronic to think we can "take action" to halt the rise of the sea level. The arrogance of man is boundless.
This just demonstrates the superiority of a properly implemented socialist system!
So, here is the option------Would you rather freeze and starve to death or move to higher ground?
You present it as if there are only two choices. There are a lot of choices. Do nothing is a choice. Ovewhelmingly to date, official conservative climate change prediction of consequences have grossly undepredicted the changes we see today.
However, your question is framed in climate change being real, and a lot of it being man-made. Is it not?
How about a planned program to eliminate to the extent practical, over a series of decades, all greenhouse gas emissions that we can, and conduct triage on what tax dollars will be spent where to save what cities/industries/population centers/transportation methods from the effects of climate change that are unstoppable and in progress right now.
We already changed the climate. There is momentum that we won't stop. If 300 tornados a year becomes regular weather, when do we stop that socialist insurance for all those midwest agrabusinesses?
There are lots of choices. Far as me and my life, it's not going to hurt me. Don't really care, everything is sustainable in my lifetime.
But, if you make the CHOICE to ignore FACT, later, when your kids visit you and ask "how the heck did you let this happen", you might as well start working on what you are going to say, right now.
Mother nature will do what she must to balance the eco system of the planet. Humans are more in the way of it than the cause of it. So, keep building on the shores just to get wiped off the map by the next catastrophic weather event. Something that occurs with or without us.
Ya, and quit spending my tax money to rebuild your ocean front property.
Really? I didn´t know that insurance companies pay with our tax money!
Amazing! You are so well informed!
A democrat in USA will think all businessmen use tax money!
I don't question the earth is warming, as someone said 10,000 yrs ago N. America was covered with ice, so yes the earth is warming. All the debate about humans causing it is, buring fossil fuels, 2 billion cars etc, etc - nobody mentioned volcanoes, have you ever seen one erupt? One eruption throws more ash, dust and CO2 into the atmosphere than all the humans do in a year. Can somebody tell me how many volcanic eruptions there are each year?
The earth goes through cycles. The earth will probably continue to warm and the ice caps will melt further, until the sea levels hit a critical level and the gulf stream and other global currents are affected and change. In the northeastern US, the gulf stream turn east at Cape Cod, if that current changes and goes east further south say NY or NJ then the north east will get colder and the glaziers in Greenland and iceland may reverese course and start to grow, resulting in the global warming trend to also reverse. This will all take another couple of thousand years, so I wouldn't worry too much about it.
So this is how its done, make something up
Then use that truth-free "fact" to cast stones. Then speculate wildly resulting in the conclusion that there is nothing to worry about.
Or you could Google "volcanic eruption CO2" and find out from the USGS:
http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/volcanowatch/archive/2007/07_02_15.html
"Our studies show that globally, volcanoes on land and under the sea release a total of about 200 million tonnes of CO2 annually. This seems like a huge amount of CO2, but a visit to the U.S. Department of Energy's Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center (CDIAC) website (http://cdiac.ornl.gov/) helps anyone armed with a handheld calculator and a high school chemistry text put the volcanic CO2 tally into perspective. Because while 200 million tonnes of CO2 is large, the global fossil fuel CO2 emissions for 2003 tipped the scales at 26.8 billion tonnes. Thus, not only does volcanic CO2 not dwarf that of human activity, it actually comprises less than 1 percent of that value.
I wouldn't worry too much about ANYTHING you had to say. You just make it up as you go along. Typical denier.
Okay, let's review, first it was Acid Rain, then it was a Hole in the Ozone, then it was Global Warming, next that was changed to Climate Change, and the Rising of the Ocean Levels (which, by the way, Obama stopped) and now it's Land Rising. I think it would be a very good idea if all of you Enviromentalist Fatalists either held regular meetings or at the very least issued memos periodically to each other as to which suitable catastrophe you would be droning on and on about that particular week or month.
Oh and one more thing, even those scientists that are / were predicting Climate Change or Global Warming or whatever the hype du jour is, are the exact small scientists that were, thirty years ago, predicting the coming of another Ice Age. Yikes, the sky is falling, the sky is falling.
You nailed that one pretty good. Environmentalism is a religion all of it's own. They even have their own prophets, but instead of passing the hat around, they make everyone pay.
Yes Putt, yes, climate warming is just imagination. And you couldn´t help but mention Obama in your ¨scientific¨post.
Denying is all you guys know how to do. Acid rain and the ozone hole were FACTS, and no amount of right wing ranting can deny it. Get informed.
And you Rand, keep up the crap about environmentalists.
Acid rain killed lakes all over Canada and New England until the Clean Air Act forced coal power plants to reduce sulfur and nitrogen oxides in stack gasses.
The hole in the ozone is still there and the UV light and other radiation under the hole isnt very good for you. But good news, since the enation of the Motreral Protocol on CFCs, the hole is getting smaller.
We had to change global warming to climate change because dolts can't understand how there can be global warming (climate), and snow in D.C. (weather). Blame the school system on that one. Too much god and too little science.
See my previous post on 1970's Ice age predictions.
The real fact is you should be thanking the environmentalists. Without them there would be smog in every city and every forest down wind of a coal plant would be dead (CAA). Rivers would still catch fire and sewage pumped untreated to beaches (Clean Water Act). Hazardous waste could be disposed of next to or under schools (RCRA), and abandoned dump sites would still open (CERCLA).
Yup. Prick environmental professionals like me saving dolts like you from themselves, continually, over and over and over again, since the 1960s. We saved a lot of the planet, LOTS OF IT, but we still can't fix stupid.
"'We're lucky': Nordic land rising faster than sea level"
Gotta love that global warming.
Arsenic: NASA did not invent memory foam, the Danes or Swedes made it ¨for¨ NASA in order to give the austronauts seats more cushion.
Credit where credit is due, NASA takes credit for something they did not invent.
Wiki says it was NASA and a US company, later the Swedes for commercial use.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_foam
Citation?
The earth's crust is "spongy" and the melting of the land based glaziers will raise the terra's level higher in the rising seas. One good thing is that most of the population is in the Northern hemisphere.
The rising land mass will affect the axis of the earth and may tilt the earth more than what is today. If the tilt makes Antarctica to face the sun, then there will be more melting of ice. This also has a blessing. The land mass under glaciers in Antarctica will be able to absorb all the displaced people of the southern hemisphere.
Scientist are saying this will take place over a long periods of time. Definitely not in our life time. So there is no worry.
There was a book written by one Mr. Arthur E Bloomfield in 1956 called The Changing Climate. He was a Biblical scholar and said that the glaciers will melt and the Northern hemisphere will rise because Jeremiah prophecised that flood will roll down from North. The salient point of this book is that the melting will be fast and within a decade. He also said in a book (The End of Days) he wrote in 1960 that either the Biblical book Daniel will break Soviet Union or Russia will break Daniel. He was right on target. He is a person who said that the earth has to be 4 billion years old for the gas and coal to be formed. So he is not a Bible thumping fundamentalist.
I hope the melting will be according to the scientists so that humans can adjust to the emerging new environments.
Sorry, anybody that uses the Bible as a science textbook or for prophecy is indeed a Bible thumping Fundamentalist.
No scientists that actually do caculations would suggest that isostacy would alter earths axis of rotation. Rate of rotation, sure.
Please stop confusing wild speculation by fundamentalists on how the Bible can still ring true in the face of modern science, with modern science. They really, really, are not the same. Good people don't lie, gudprsn.
A lot of land becoming ice free in Canada too.
Glaciers shrink, the land underneath rises.
The land is not rising: it is the sea that is receding. The sea has been receding for millions of years as the Earth Expands. Darwin was wrong when he observed what he referred to as Raised Beaches. Darwin,s mis-interpreted his observation "Raised Beaches) What had occured was that the sea had receded over eons leaving the beaches raised. Subsequently Jameson and Agazzis used Darwins interpretation to explain why the land mass was rising. Darwins premise of raised beaches was wrong and so is Isostatic Rebound and hence the Ice Age never existed to the extent that Agazzis stated. So Geology needs to be revised to do away with Isostatic Rebound and Post Glacial Rebound and by extension the Ice Age: it never existed. See youtube "The Mysterious Receding Seas" by Richard Guy
Isostatic Rebound or Post Glacial Rebound is false; there is no such thing. The land mass is not rising and has never rose, it is the sea that is receding as the earth expands. The recession of the sea creates the illusion that the land is rising because we interpret the sea level as a constant datum. The sea level datun is a myth and so is Post Glacial rebound. Darwin misinterpreted what he observed in South America and Islands of the Pacific. He called his observation "Raised Beaches" for he deduced that the land has raised from the sea. His deduction was wrong. What had occured is that the sea had receded leaving the beach raised. Later on Jaimeson and Agazzis built their theories of Post Glacial rebound on the fallacy. So Post Glacial Rebound is false and so is the land uplift theory that supports and hence the Ice Age theory comes into question and by extension never existed. If we do not do away with Post Glacial Rebound we will never get to understand why all Ancient Civilizations started in High Mountains. We will never discover why bridges fail mysteriously. We will never understand why wetlands dry up and dissapear, We will never get to know why our weather is changing and why our lands are becoming arid and why we are having super storms. We will never get to understand the truth about the Exodus and the truth about the development of all ancient civilizations around the world. See "The Mysterious Receding Sea" on www.youtube.com
Richard Guy
The land is not rising!!. The land is not rising!!!. The land is not rising!!!! Repitition for emphasis. The sea is receding! The sea is Receding: It is the sea that is receding. Receding Seas is worldwide phenomen as the earth expands. The earth had been expanding for millions of years and as it does the seas recede. That is why all ancient civilizations evolved, first, in high mountains around the world. All anceint civilizations started in high mountains and came downward as the seas receded. Until we realize that this is what is occuring we will never get rid of Post Glacial Rebound/ Isostatic Rebound and the Ice age. All these old concepts are wrong because they are all based on what Darwin misread as raised beaches, We will never see the light until we get rid of these errors in perception. The land is not rising it is the sea that is receding as the earth expands.
As the earth expands or grows the seas naturally recede. If the seas are not receding the earth is not expanding: the seas are receding. Because of what Darwin passed along to us we still read the opposite of what is happening. i.e. we still think the land is rising by the process of Iostacy handed down to us by Agazzis. These concepts are based on false premises handed to us by Darwin. We have to get rid of the uplift theory which will automatically negate Isostatic Rebound and by extension the Icge age folly. all ancient civilizations started in high mountains and they all lived there before and after the Ice age . They built their houses on mountains and dug foundations in solid earth which are being unearthed today by archaoelogists. They did not build their foundations in ice. There were Glaciers as we know them today but the striatians and lacerations in rocks attested by Agazzi are not necessarily caused by glaciation. We have to examine these old concepts more closely and make the necessary changes before we get to many new and exciting discoveries. When we get rid of these old concepts we will at last understand how ancient civilizations originated. We will understand why many bridges and dams fail mysteriously. We will understand why the Earth is getting hotter and the source of the heat. We will understand how the earth grows and the mysterious metamorphesis that makes earth growth possible. That mysterious engine of growth evades the best brains on the planet because it is so obviously simple. See "the Mysterious Receding Seas" by Richard Guy on www.youtube.com.
As I have written in previous comments, which incedentally have not been published. The seas worldwide are receding it is not the land rising. This rising land "Isoststic Rebound" is all wrong. There is nothing like Post Glacial Rebound. It is just that the seas are receding. Please set the records straight and debunk all these old theories. We will never get to see the light unless we get rid of the rebound Theory and the Ice Age. After that we open up new horizons of History and Geology ARchaeology and Earth Science and most of all we will understand why all ancient civilizations first evolved on Mountain tops around the world. We engineers will understand why Bridges and Dams fail mysteriously. We will understand why our wetlands are dissapearing and why our arid lands are increasing. All this we miss when we say the land is rising and Darwin and Agazzis are laughing in their respective graves. We must get over the rebound theory and see the light.
Richard Guy
The Stste of New Jersey in the United States is experiencing the same sea level recession. The Receding Sea has given them pristine foreshore lands which they have sold off to Developers and Hotel Chains. DOnald Trump built his Taj Mahal Casino on these newly inherited lands. The State of New Jersey discovered this land bonanza years ago and realized the benefit they have derived from the receding seas. What the State is now doing is pouring over old maps and surveys to determine how much land they have gained since 1776 when the United States gained there freedom from Britain. What they are attempting to do is claim back taxes from the 38400 Acres of land they have gained since 1776. There is a problem however, a big one in fact. The State of New Jersey only observed the recession of the sea in relatively recent times i.e. since 1922 when they began using aerial photography to survey lands. The aerial photos showed them clearly that the new land was being left behind by the sea over the years since 1922. The problem is that the citizens are rebuffing the states demands for taxes by claiming statute of limitations on anything prior to 1922 when aerial surveys began. Their case is that New Jersey only knew about the land in 1922 and afterwards so they have no claim prior to that. Interesting and the story can be read in the New York Times the Title is "New Jersey lands prove costly to Casinos." September 27 2007 or June 25 1981.
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Talk on Thursday 14th February 2013
By Richard Guy
My Father told me a lot about engineering and construction I heard about details of the construction of the great bridges of the world. He told me of the laying of the first Trans-Atlantic cable and the many problems encountered by the engineers in the process. One of the problems he related to me was this. He said that after the cable was laid on the ocean floor it kept snapping. The cable had to be repaired Two ships had to go out to mid-Atlantic and grapple the cable from the ocean floor and spice the broken cable. Grappling a cable in water two miles deep was no mean feat and very costly. When the cable was repaired They would then drop it back into the Ocean only to have it break again. I remember asking him what caused the cable to break.. He told me that the experts at the time said that the cable was being broken by undersea turbidity currents and undersea landslides. The problem of the snapping cables persisted from 1859 onward costing the cable company a fortune in repairs and threatening the viability of the enterprise..
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I distinctly remember my thoughts at time. I did not believe the cables snapped for the
on given. I just instinctively believed the cause was due to something else for at that time we know nothing of the sea floor we all thought that is was sandy and flat across the floor of the Atlantic. Of course we were all wrong because of the mindset of that time
Fast Forward 88 years:
In 1947 a Norwegian freighter plying in the south Atlantic ran into a seamount and was lost. This seamount had never been charted before. This tradegy prompted international attention and action. It was decided that the time had come for proper mapping of the seafloor. Mapping had never been done before of the larger oceans because the technology had not been available. During the Second World War Sonar had been perfected and now sidesweep sonar was to be used to map the seafloor. 1957 was therefore declared the International Geographical year and two major projects were started. Mapping of the seafloors and the Mojo Projects. Were to proceed.
The sea floor mapping is self-explanatory. The MOHO objective was to drill a borehole through the eartrh crust to the Mohovic disconnuity.named after the Croatian scientist who discovered it.. In addition it was supposed to bring up cores from the sea bed at the middle of the Atlantic where scientists were convinced the oldest sediment existed.. This sediment when examined was supposed to tell them the age of the earth. So the mapping started in 1957 and is still going on around the world today it is not completed.
By the year 1959 two years after the Atlantic mapping started scientist announced that they had found a range of undersea mountains running up the middle of the Atlantic North south... Not only did they discover a mountain range but they discovered two mountain ranges running parallel one mile apart with a Canyon as wide as the Grand Canyon in between them. Now exactly one hundred years after the Trans-Atlantic Cable was laid they discovered the real reason why the Cables kept snapping. The small submarine cables had been spanning the mile wide canyon and they were never designed to span ten feet much less a mile so they snapped and kept snapping. The funny side of the story is that from that time onward nothing more was ever heard about Undersea Turbidity Currents and Undersea landslides.
This story shows us how we develop false theories and have to live with them through the ages because we don’t know better. We all thought at the time that the ocean floor was flat and sandy. Now we know better as we look at the comprehensive sea floor relief today.
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Now that they had discovered what would be later called “The Mid Atlantic Ridge scientists set up their rigs to drill in between the two mountain ranges in Mid Atlantic to search for the Moho and to bring up core samples of the deep undersea sediment which they expected to find at Mid Atlantic. This sediment would contain clues to the age of the earth.
As they started drilling they were shocked to find that there was no age old sediment on the sea floor but rather they found that the sea floor was newly formed and was spreading outward pushing North America away from Europe by about six feet per year. So there was great surprise because no one had a clue that that was occurring. .
All this to say that we are burdened with a host of theories which we have to live with because we don’t really know how they came to be and we accept them because we feel that they were derived by scientists who knew more than we did. That is certainly not the case as I show in my books. In most cases throughout history we are guided by the same concepts that guide scientists. Examples the sea floor being level and sandy and I will show you another mistaken concept of historical and geological importance where we are misguided by outdated concepts. .
In 1832 Darwin set off in the ship the HMS Beagle to circumnavigate the earth. Darwin I must stress was a Trained Naturalist and he was to record animal and plant life around the world and bring back samples to Britain for purely scientific reasons. During his travels on the South American Continent he observed several examples of what he termed raised beaches. What he saw was that the land appeared to rise from the sea and stand above sea level. He hypothecated that the sea had risen from the sea. Darwin was of the opinion that the sea was static level and never moved. Remember we all thought the sea floor was level and sandy. Everyone at that time and throughout history thought the sea remained at the same level from generation to generation and most of you here tonight still think the sea is at one level because we are all told that the sea level is rising. What we are really saying is that the sea level is rising above the level it has always been since Darwin sailed on it. I hope you understand this for you have to be prepared for what is to come.
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It would never have occurred to Darwin or to any of us that what was really happening back in 1835 was that it was the sea that was receding: not the land rising. So the Darwinian theory of rising land stuck with us and later Agassiz came along and used the Darwinian mistake to build up his Ice age theory. Agassiz stated that the reason the land was rising was because it had been burdened by a previous Ice Age and now that the Ice age had ended the land was rebounding from the weight relief. That theory which was built on Darwin’s error in deduction still lives on today as Isotactic Rebound which has absolutely no basis because if the land is not rebounding where is the relevance of the Ice age burden.
What my books are about is just this I show that our seas are receding and that theory overturns age old theories and even rewrites historical development as we have been taught in schools. So if you want to read more you can pick up the two books here for $30.00...
If you have any questions I would be glad to answer them.
SCIENTIFIC MISCONCEPTIONS OF THE PAST
By Richard Guy
My Father was an engineer and when I was a little boy he told me many fascinating stories about the building of the great engineering marvels of the world. I heard details of the construction and problems of building all the great bridges. One memorable story he related to me was about the laying of the great Trans-Atlantic Cable from New Found land to Ireland. I listened to all the details with great interest. One problem experienced by the engineers, was to occupy my mind for over fifty years until a satisfactory solution was eventually found. My Father told me that when the cables were laid on the Ocean floor they snapped and after they were repaired and returned to the ocean, they snapped again. This problem plagued the fledgling cable company for years and even threatened its very existence. I asked my father what caused the cables to break. He said that the scientific experts at the time gave the reason as undersea landslides and Turbidity currents.
At that time I could have been eight years old but I distinctly remember thinking that those reasons given sounded ludicrous. In my mind I just knew there had to be some other reason but I certainly did not have an answer at that time, and no one else did.
Here I pause to make the point that much of the theories and information handed down to us over the last two hundred years by, so called, experts lack validity: they are just downright wrong. They were based on popular misconceptions which existed at the time. They are now passé. We still however hold on to these outdated concepts and by so doing mislead another generation. Because of this we compound the problem by denying a new generation their era of enlightenment. But more serious we allow others to build even more erroneous theories on those judgmental errors of the past. By so doing we deny ourselves a new era of exciting discoveries... In this article I will show you blatant examples of these monumental errors by scientific experts and the danger of building upon these erroneous errors.
We now come forward eighty years to the year 1947. A Norwegian Freighter plying from South Africa in the south Atlantic ran into a seamount. This seamount was not on the ships charts and no one had ever encountered the seamount before. The seas had never been charted before because the technology did not exist. During the Second World War sonar had been used and perfected. Lloyds of London, the Insurance giant, declared that it was time that the oceans are mapped for they now had the technology which was side sweep sonar.
1957 was declared the “International Geographical Year” and the mapping of the Atlantic was to be started in that year. Another project slated for that year was to retrieve a core sample from the middle of the Atlantic. That project was named the MOHO project. The scientists, of the day, declared that the oldest sediment on earth was to be located at the mid Atlantic. That sediment would tell them the age of the earth. This was all postulated by the scientists of the day just fifty six years ago.
The mapping of the Atlantic sea floor started in 1957 as scheduled and was to go on for years in fact the job is not yet completed and perhaps never will be. In 1959 scientists were able to announce that the mapping had revealed a parallel range of mountains, one mile apart running up the middle of the Atlantic. The mountains were separated by a canyon which compared to the Grand Canyon in size. For the first time in one hundred years the mystery of the snapping Trans Atlantic cables was solved. What had occurred was that the small cable, when laid on the ocean floor had to span the mile wide canyon, a span for which it was never designed. The immense stress across the canyon span had snapped it repeatedly. So there, at last, was the truth but it took one hundred years. The funny side of the story is that up to the time of the discovery of the undersea canyon the scientists all touted undersea landslides and turbidity currents. Since then however nothing more has even been heard of these undersea anomalies: they just never existed.
Now let us see what happened to the MOHO project. The ships with drill rigs were set up in the Mid Atlantic and the cores of the sea floor were taken. When the cores were examined more surprises lay in store. Instead of finding the oldest sediment on earth they found the newest seafloor. They discovered that lava was oozing out of the Atlantic sea floor pushing the continents of Europe away from North America by about 6 feet every sixty years. That process became known as sea floor spreading and is still going on.
These examples show us how we develop false theories and have to live with them through the ages because we don’t know better. We all thought at the time that the ocean floor was flat and sandy. Now we know better as we look at the convoluted sea floor relief on today’s high resolution maps
Just 50 years ago we know nothing of the deep sea floor. Today we done know much more but at least we have come a long way from 1859 and the Trans Atlantic Cable.
Richard Guy is a Structural Engineer who has built Highways, Ports, Airports and Refineries on lands that were one under the sea. His books “The mysterious Receding Sea’ and “The Ascent of Man: Downhill all the Way” can be obtained by emailing him at Richardguy9@gmail.com. Or calling 347-298-6880. His video series “The Mysterious Receding Seas” can be seen on www.youtube.com
For more scientific errors of the past read www.Ewire.com Press Release
“Earth Expansion and other Phenomenon” by Richard Guy