Ed-NavDoc===What's the point of any of this. Arafat was a terrorist and remained one until his death no mater how it happened. Arafat kept a war that has been raged for centuries going and in the process many lives were lost. He is not a honorable figure he was and still should be considered a terrorist.

The leaders of the Gaza Strip continue their fine tradition of terror on Israel which will only continue the blood shed and the lost of life. They all need to put the guns down and talk to Israel for a change maybe they can stop the unnecessary lost of life. All of the fighting in that region of the world settles very little to many are killed for nothing.

Smokie, I agree with you 100%!

Yeah, well...one man's terrorist is another man's Freedom Fighter. In what way was the Continental Army not a "terrorist" when slaughtering drunk Hessians at a Christmas party? Get a grip...Arafat was a hero to his people, who have been in captivity for over 60 years. Any port in a storm, brother.

Yeah, just like one man's fantasy is another man's reality. Personally, I think yous is the fantasy. Please provide some documentation to back up your claim. Like you said, any port in a storm.

Sweet Equity, I times out above before I could add that there was in fact no massacre as you put it. I assume you are referring to the Battle of Trenton. The battle did not occur on Christmas as you stated, but on the day after. The Hessian forces in Trenton assumed that they were safe from attack by Washington and his troops and decided to party on Christmas. That was not Washington's fault nor his problem. Washington attacked on 26 December and after a short but furious battle approximately two third of the Hessian force surrendered. The remainder were killed in battle and some escaped so there was no massacre as you put it. War is Hell Bud and you take your victories where you can get them. There is no comparison here between Trenton and the Palestinians.

By the way, if you want argue or discuss history don't argue with someone who has a degree in World History whose areas of specialization are the American Revolution and World War II. Have a nice evening

Yeah, just like one man's fantasy is another man's reality. Personally, I think yous is the fantasy. Please provide some documentation to back up your claim. Like you said, any port in a storm.

Yes, Navy Doc but there have certainly been terrorist organizations which have been praised and looked up to by the western media.

The French Resistance fighter during the Nazi occupation.

The Zionist Irgun which used bombs and other terrorist actions while striving to create the state of Israel. (see accounts of the bombing of the King David Hotel in July of 1946).

Those occur to me off the top of my head. I'm sure I could come up with others.

Why do you applaud Menachem Begin's actions in 1946, or at least ignore them, but heap accusations against Yasser Arafat?

If you have a degree in world history, you should certainly be aware of the terrorist activities of the Irgun.

Why the double standard?

Have a nice evening.

Arafat was a hero to his people, who have been in captivity for over 60 years.

Yes, he was considered a hero to many of his people (although he really was Egyptian and not Palestinian).

No, they have not been in captivity. That is a falsehood. If it weren't for the Second Intifada the security walls and fences never would have gone up. If it hadn't been for Pallywood, there would not have been so many restrictions.

But, they can go through the checkpoints to go places. Many do. They are not being imprisoned. Food, medicines and clothing are allowed. They just cannot take weapons and suicide belts with them in either direction. They even had access to the new iPhone 5, and have been buying them up, weeks before Israel gets them.

For a fateful scene in a murder mystery, it was all a little low key.

Bullshi-t this is the tenth MSNBC article about Arafat's possible poisoning. Why so much concern for a criminal and first-class thug? We don't need any more scenes of crazy Palestinians freaking out like a bunch of monkeys at a banana sale.

dman:

You should clarify what you are responding to. The documentation I was asking Sweet Charity for was his/her assertion that a massacre of Hessians took place, nothing more. Anything else, you brought up on your own. So where do you get the idea that I am promoting a double standard? As I said above my areas of expertise were the American Revolution and WWII, particularly the war in Europe and the Pacific. Irgun, I have a passing familiarity with but never really paid much attention to him as it was not in my particular field of interest.

It would not at all suprise me if someone contaminated the samples with Polonium, not knowing that it's toxins are lesser and leser with age...so much so that they can date with fair certainty the time period of exposure.

I just don't get the point of this exercise.

why does his grave-site look better than the best building in the west bank? boy, those fools sure know whats important. how much in international funds went to pay for that architectural joke?

Kind of like "Wherever your treasure lies, there will you find your heart."

"Almost any Palestinian you ask already has an answer: Israel is the assassin."

These very Palestinians are shameless to have sent their hero to France for treatment.

Why are they waking up so late?

If Arafat had died right in Palestine itself what was the big deal?

At least they should have sent their Arafat to some Muslim nation for treatment.

There's no doubt in my mind that Yassar Arafat was poisoned with Polonium just the same way Russian Jew Oligarch, Boris Berezovsky had poisoned Alexander Litvinenko with Polonium. Many Russian Jews in the Boris Yeltsin's administration had smuggled Uranium and Polonium out of the former Soviet Union and that is why Israel has such a large stockpile of Polonium and Polonium nuclear triggers, which by the way are obsolete technologies of the Old Soviet Union. It was around the same period that Arafat and Litvinenko had died--both from Polonium radiation poisoning. Of course the Jew media was in a hurry to cover-up the stories from surfacing and did everything in their powers to SUPPRESS the facts from surfacing. I bet Arafat will test positive for Polonium. The reason Geiger counters cannot detect Polonium is because Polonium emits Beta particles; however, Polonium does emits strong radiation and that's how it was discovered by Polish scientist, Madamme Curry who conducted the experiment using Polonium to expose photo negatives. And in her honor, Polonium was named after Madamme Curry's country of origin: Poland.

There's no doubt in my mind that Yassar Arafat was poisoned with Polonium just the same way Russian Jew Oligarch, Boris Berezovsky had poisoned Alexander Litvinenko with Polonium.

Absolute BS. The symptoms are all wrong, for one thing. Arafat had all the symptoms of HUS, which results from infection in the blood with a strain of E. Coli from bad food. The end stage of the condition is multiple organ failure and stroke, which were the causes of death in the case of Arafat.

For another, Polonium-210 has a short half-life of 138.376 days. None of those Soviet Era "smuggled triggers" you claim existed would have been useful because the Polonium-210 would have decayed to Lead-206 by then. You cannot keep an old stockpile of Polonium triggers. They become useless in around a year due to the short half-life of Polonium-210. They decay completely into Lead in just under four years. Israel is not backward enough to use Polonium-based triggers in their nukes.

I bet Arafat will test positive for Polonium.

I'll bet Arafat will test positive for it, too--because the evidence will be planted. All of the Polonium-210 would have decayed by now so there would be none detected unless it was planted recently, as was the case with Arafat's clothing.

The reason Geiger counters cannot detect Polonium is because Polonium emits Beta particles

You also are full of crap about geiger counters not detecting the element's presence and you are wrong about which type of radiation Polonium emits during decay. Decent counters can detect both Beta and Gamma radiation. Some really good ones will detect Alpha radiation, too. Polonium-210 emits Alpha radiation when it decays directly to stable Lead-206.

And, presence of Lead-206 in a corpse proves nothing. Eating paint chips as a child and wearing of Khol also will give you that. You need to get yourself educated about such things and stop spouting off such nonsense.

Faye: A number of problems with your post. It was Curie, not "Curry." As far as I know she had no Indian ancestry. The other problem is your inbred hatred of Jews. Your comment, "...of course the Jew media" (among others) says it all. Are you a member of the Northern or Southern Aryan Nation?

Also please provide a link to, "Many Russian Jews in the Boris Yeltsin's administration had smuggled Uranium and Polonium out of the former Soviet Union."

You know, Faye, Basil Romeo by his post reminded me of yet another problem with your time line and claim. The Adminstration of Boris Yeltsin was between the years 1991-1999. Let's take the last year of that administration, his resignation being in December 31, 1999.

Arafat died on November 11, 2004. Polonium-210 poisoning in a recorded case in Russia killed a man who inhaled a Polonium-210 aerosol in 13 days.

So, if we count back from 2004 to 1999, we get 5 years. That being the case, any Polonium-210 from the Yeltsin era would have been absolutely useless because none of it would have been Polonium-210 anymore.

Remember, Polonium-210 has a half life of 138.376 days. In nuclear physics there is a principle referred to as "the rule of ten" where for all intents and purposes the amount of a radioactive material has completely decayed to something else.

With that in mind, if we take the half life of Polonium-210 and multiply it by 10, we get the number of days until virtually all of the Polonium-210 would have decayed to Lead-206. That is 1,383.76 days. We divide that by 365.25 to get the number of years before the whole amount of this alleged Polonium smuggled by Jews would have turned to nothing but Lead. 1383.76 / 365.25 = ~3.79 years.

There would not have been any Polonium-210 left from this smuggling to use on Arafat. since Arafat died in 2004 and the Yeltsin Administration ended in 1999. That is 5 years and it would have taken ~3.79 years for the Polonium-210 to be gone, leaving over a year between to elapse from the time that the Polonium would all be gone and Arafat would die.

See the problems with the propagandist claim, yet?

Depyle, reads like you are the one to educate us. Please try not to wave such a big stick. The average person commenting here only gets their information from a multitude of sources, and it's patchwork at best.

Thank you for your posts. I cannot say either way if they are true or not, except I know from reading elsewhere before that Polonium is as you say. It throws off it's toxins so quickly and leaves a signature (of lead-206, you say) that any information as to it's presence so long after the fact would be suggestive at very best.

Please have patience with us. Many of us can speak from expert knowledge in other areas, and there may come a time when we have to set you straight! Have a great day!

You should clarify what you are responding to. The documentation I was asking Sweet Charity for was his/her assertion that a massacre of Hessians took place, nothing more. Anything else, you brought up on your own. So where do you get the idea that I am promoting a double standard?

Well, Navy Doc, let's see where I got this idea. Smokie said (regarding Arafat):

Smokie-788412

Ed-NavDoc===What's the point of any of this. Arafat was a terrorist and remained one until his death no mater how it happened. Arafat kept a war that has been raged for centuries going and in the process many lives were lost. He is not a honorable figure he was and still should be considered a terrorist.

Your response:

Smokie, I agree with you 100%!

That's where I got this crazy idea.

BTW: While study of WWII and the America Revolution might not require any knowledge of the Irgun's actions in the 1940s, it certainly should have acquainted you with the actions of the French resistance, and other groups in Nazi occupied Europe who used guerilla attacks, bombs and assassinations to promote their cause.

These are all straight out of the terrorist playbook.

Whom you regard as a valient freedom fighter vs an evil terrorist some times has a lot to do with which side you are on. You may have little sympathy for Yasser Arafat, his actions or his ultimate fate. But you did not watch the area formally called Palestine be colonized to recreate a nation which had disappeared 2,000 years ago, displacing people with whom he obviously felt a close ethnic and religious affinity.

dman:

With all due respest regarding Mr Irgun's activities, I refer you back to the last sentence in post #1.9 above. I never said I was not acquainted with his actions or the actions of the French Resistance. I simply stated:

"Irgun, I have a passing familiarity with, but never really paid much attention to him as it was not not my particular field of interest."

I was speaking solely of Irgun there. As far as your comparrison to the French Resistance, in some respects I agree with you. However, the French Resistance for example targeted only the Germans occupying their country and their infrastructure, and any French collaborating with the Germans. Arafat , the PLO, and it's splinter groups in the 70's and 80's knowingly targeted people all over the Middle East and Europe while indiscriminately killing many innocent civilians. The established difference between a freedom fighter and a terrorist is that a freedom fighter primarily attacks only military targets while terrorists will attack and kill anybody and destroy anything they feel suits them and their cause, whether there are innocent civilians about or not, mostly for the shock value. Anything else, we probably should just agree to disagree and let it go at that. Have a good evening

Ed-NavDoc - first off, you asked where I got the impression you were promoting a double-standard. I answered regarding that question. In my original post I referenced both the Irgun and the French Resistance. You chose to narrow your response to just the one, and not the other.

As to comparisons of the actions of Arafat and the French Resistance, I agree they were more discriminant in the attacks. But I would contend that the French Resistance had no motive to attack other targets than the occupying Germans and collaborating countrymen. By contrast, the Arafat and the PLO see Israel as just a part of the western world which had colonized Palestine.

It was the British, through the Balfour Declaration, which first targeted Palestine to be the Jewish homeland, despite the fact that the majority of the people living there were Arab Muslims. It was the U.N., dominated by the U.S., Britain and France, which established a Jewish state in 1948, allocating more than half the land to the Jewish minority. In the years since, it has been the U.S. which has been Israel's primary ally.

So, it is at least understandable, why Arafat, or the PLO, might view the entire western world as the enemy.

Your definition of a "freedom fighter" versus a "terrorist" is not "established". A person or a people fighting for their survival will use the tools and methods available to them. The labels used to describe them will vary with the sympathies of the observers.

Without an army, without tanks or an air force, with no Allied Army coming to liberate them, what methods remained the the Palestinians in the years between 1948 and 1967?

What would you have done, if you and your family had lived for generations in some part of what became Israel, and you now lived as a nationless refuge in Jordan or Lebanon?

I don't support the desire of any group to dismantle Israel, and I do believe that Arafat over-played his hand during the Clinton years. But to call him simply a terrorist, as do you and Smokie, and ignore the recent history against which his actions occur, is intellectually dishonest.

dman:

I guess in the end it boils down to a matter of opinion. I respect your right to yours and I just ask the same in return. Have a good day.

dman, I forgot one thing above. My definition of freedom fighter should have read "generally accepted" and not established. Sorry, my bad.

Fair enough.

@Ed-NavDoc; In Colonial times battles were held in the spring/summer because troop/supplies were harder to move in the winter. Hell, sniping officers was considered an act of cowardice. There were different rules of engagement then. What Washington did was considered terrorism at THAT time by the British. We learned guerrilla warfare from the natives ;)

There was an American President who actually paid off the National Debt, was against the Electoral College, his supporters even founded a new party that is still alive today. He also owned slaves, implemented the "spoils system" and sent thousands if Native Americans to reservations leading to extreme loss of life during the Native American trek to the reservation. Hero to New Orleans and Satan to Native Americans.. Oh, it was Andrew Jackson..

History Lesson is over; Now get back ta work people, we have a country to rebuild.

While he was out of his grave, did they ask him about the $Billion which he embezzled from the Palestinians, many of whom, with their small children, today, live in abject poverty???

none of it matters, weather he's in heaven or hell, Arafat is feeling absolute joy over the UN victory. 99% of the world backed the palestinian people. I can see him now, taunting ex prime ministers, golada Mayer and Manachen Begin. dancing around their spirits laughing and saying god is great. lol Spike the ball, it's OK lol

First of all, WOW, some of you guys really need spelling lessons. Israel had thousands of opportunites to eradicate that dish-towel devil. Why would they have done so at a time when he had become almost irrelevant? If he was poisoned, the poisoner was about 40 years late.

Arafat was a terrorist from the time he was brought in from the cold in Tunisia.He was not an Arab from what ws formerly the British Mandate in the mid east.He was a very vulgar man and corrupt to the hilt.He became super rich pocketing the money that was dished out for the Palestine cause.His wife is an opportunist living the good life in Paris.And her keeping so called radioactive clothes borders on the absurd THis whole thing sounds like a set up from the very dark forces in the mideast i.e the Islamic terrorists who are international criminals .This guy was a cold blooded assasin. As for Abbas and the U.N vote..another joke,Why NBC is mixing 2 jokes together,I don´t know!

I didn't know the details, but remember his call for a "million martyr march"... The guy could have done a lot of good because he had nearly 100% of Palestinians supporting him (why, I don't know.... focusing hate on Israel to divert attention from stealing aid money). I think he was part of Fatah which ended up losing in Gaza because they were so corrupt. I feel bad for the Palestinians - they are used as pawns by those who are in position to help them. But when I hear them naming their babies after long-range missiles and dead terrorists, it's pretty easy to ignore their plight.

Islamic religious madness, especially Sunni ones, are unlimited.

Even helping them is dangerous. Look at this Arafat case. His widow did not want autopsy then and now she wants them suspecting of poisoning.

Look at that bigoted fountainhead of Sunni Islamic madness, (Hamas, Salaffi, MB, al Qaida, Taliban and so on) House of Saud.

These shameless including the head of House of Saud take treatments in the US, Britain and other places and then they float all sorts of conspiracy theories when they want and as they wish!

Look at the shameless Syrian rebels supported by MB, al Qaida, Salaffi and others.

They want weapons, no fly zones, economic help and so on!

One video on Mohammad is enough. All seventh century Sunnis and tenth century Shiites start their desert hate and killer marches.

Are these people humans or some religious beasts?

A very good point!! He was little to nothing toward the end of his life. The tragedy is all the lives that were lost during his prime years.

Who even cares about this POS. Syria is burning. 2 bombs went off today killing over 50. 10 kids killed yesterday, and Eygpt is flaming up. NBC runs barely anything, but this is a"story"

They just found this polonium now? There's been plenty of time to plant something like this. In meantime, I wonder how this is supposed to benefit the Palestinians (get 'em fired up so the nutcases shoot more rockets to antagonize Israel? ).

That's about it.

All they need is a thought and they go back to shooting off rockets. They should keep the money they spend on weapons and improvee the lives of the people they say they are protecting. That would be a great change. I wonder just how much money has been wasted on this useless and constant fighting.

"Anytime you go looking for something you profoundly wish to find... you will find it whether you do or not."

I totally agree. I have no doubt "every adult Palestinian and even their kids, as well as Iran, will tell you Israel did it" even if every shred of evidence would point to the exact opposite. In that respect they are not unlike Fox viewers, ditto-heads and tea bag bag people with regard to the recent election. To hell with the facts, I want to believe what I want to believe.

I also think this is just a continuation of a huge soap Opera for no usr at all except for attention and to condemn Israel for another Fantasy.

I have heard Arafat had many enemies all over. Jordan, Egypt, and that the IMF found he had $900M (but probably more) Palestinean Public Funds in his private bank account. The last few months his wife kept him away from everyone she could because even Palestinean Government was plotting to supplant him.

He was a terrorist, crook, dictator and failed to set up Palestine as a workable Unit like he was always saying it should be. Talk,talk,talk and stuff the bank account.

Israel is low down on the list of suspects. And nothing Can Be Proved! How stupid is This??

Please drive a wooden stake into his heart. If not he might start flying around looking for Israelis to bite.

wow...you're attacking his hygiene practices? Really?

If he really did have it on his clothes, was it possible that he was planning to make a trigger for a nuclear weapon? That is old school technology but it is the sort of stuff that Arabs would use to make their first bomb. If you are being poisoned with Polonium you take it internally, not have it find its way all over your clothes.

I now believe Palestine and Hamas are the FOX news of the Middle East. They sound so much like them!!!

I would say that the PA TV and the Hamas are more like the old National Enquirer or Weekly World News, with a twist of Mein Kampf and a dash of The Protocols.

Right on target, Farideh!!

Within two years there will be no more water left for Gaza. The well is gone dry and it really is time for them to move.

Tunnels, they have The Tunnels where they bring ALL the weapons though. Less weapons and more water will have to be brought in. Wonder if Iran will supply all the water needed since they give them thousands of rockets to shoot at Israel. Kidding aside, Israel and Palestine are not going anywhere hence maybe ya think Peace could be an option instead? All you need to do is promise just to live your lives and not bother, trod, shoot at, condemn, carry bombs on back, threaten each other or promise some sort of revenge on one another and guess what. You have what's called Peace. Or you can just go on killing each other, causing havoc, mayhem and having the rest of the World scratching their heads in dis-belief on how you can be so stupid as not to want to survive.

Alan, you have ignored the fact that all this mayhem you describe is one-sided. Which one was the culprit and which one the instigator in the blame game. I'll give you a hint. Which one routinely lops rockets toward the other side DURING ceasefires. (A period, not a question because it is a rhetorical question.

Yeah ya right!!

I have to read Foreign newspapers to get anything really worth my time. I just like sharing my opinion and reading yalls.

Many times I read more information right here in comments.

KT ~~~ While I'll go along with most of your other points, you lost me when you made such a big thing about EVERYONE in Palestine knowing Israel did it. I believe the author was just being sarcastic.

They don't even have a State yet and they are requesting membership in the UN? What is the point? I am sure the UN will give them membership eventually. That has been the track they have been on for some time and they have garnered much support as a result of Pallywood propaganda over the years.

No, he died from HUS. He got infected from bad meat. The French doctors were incompetent and he died from multiple organ failure due to this incompetence.

These people are working very,very hard for sympathetic Public Opinion. Seriously they want the whole world to pressure Israel into a tinier corner that they are already. They write about the war on three levels: terroists and rockets, world politics, and public opinion via bloggers, tweeters whatever. They actually think our opinion is part of the War. They want to win the World over crying War Crimes. Thats why I think its important to look for real facts and share them, not just stupid camel jokes or useless namecalling.

Thankyou for the tip about HUS. I'll reseach that tomorrow...too late tonite.

These sites will get you started:

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/hemolytic-uremic-syndrome/DS00876

http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=13812

http://www.about-hus.com/

This disease is nasty business and often kills the elderly via causing stroke. Arafat died of a stroke as a result of blood-borne infection. All of the symptoms that Arafat experienced are listed on these above websites.

And, yes, these people are working very hard at garnering sympathetic, public opinion, as you say. They are trying their best to get the public to swallow their lies to help them finish Hitler's Final Solution with the support of the public. So many people have been suckered by their fake martyrs and zombie dead guys (and now the false idea that Arafat was poisoned by Israel using Polonium-210).

The wife is paying a huge, larger than normal amount of money...they do hope the attention will get them status in the UN. They've been working on Brazil, Venezuela and others to vote for them.

If I understand it, Armchair, they just took samples from the corpse, and didn't actually remove the body. And you're right. The whole thing seems just idiotic. This really needs to be a focus now? However, if the wife is the one with this burning question, then let her have her privacy, unless of course she wants to use it as a stone to throw at Israel.

The silver lining... :-)