I don't even know why we are in the UN anymore. UN to Iran, "Oh please let us inspect your stuff or we're going to have to consider issuing you a strongly worded condemnation, again".

A vote for A Palestinian state at this point is a vote for a terrorist state. Their reuniting with Hamas was the end all .

Until they have full acceptance of Israel nothing should change.

Palestinians are not victims in any sense, that is an illusion! They are as vicious and ruthless as any other guerrilla group and backed by terrorist groups and hard-line muslim countries throughout the world.

That last paragraph says it all. If the Palestinians had been more accommodating decades ago, they would have so much more now. The Israelis do more than hatch plots against their neighbors and they have a rich and prosperous country. Abbas is right; violence is not the answer. Hamas will destroy what's left of the Palestinians before too much longer.

Palestinians deserve two states: one for Hamas and another one for Abbas.

So the best place for two Palestinian states is Saudi Arabia as it is thinly populated.

Capital of Hamas can be Mecca and for Abbas, Medina can be capital!

If UN and its agencies don't get Sunni Saudi, oil companies and their lobbyists money then this what Palestinians will get!

What is that UN?

UN and its agencies wake up when something happens to Muslims. They sleep in the harems of House of Saud rest of the time!

Saudis, oil companies and their lobbyists have left loose their barking dogs, UN and its agencies on Syria and Iran mission.

Earlier UN and its agencies became too active before each Iraqi wars!

When there are genocides of non-Muslims, these people in harems of House of Saud go into hiding.

Islam does not know what secularism means. Islam only teaches telling lies, fooling, stealing, looting, raping, kidnapping, killing and genocides of non-Muslims.

When non-Muslims are not there in good numbers, then Muslims of other sects are good enough.

So where does secularism come in a Muslim majority nation?

Even a small number of Palestinians have two groups/faces: Hamas, Abbas, the ass hole's group!

Here's what the UN is :

France, Switzerland, Austria, Norway, Italy, Greece, Russia, China, Finland, Sweden, Portugal, Spain, Ireland, Turkey, Indonesia, Nigeria, Egypt, Japan, ...

That is the UN : the world.

And today the entire world has said very clearly that Palestine is a state, a country.

Who said no ? USA, Israel, Canada, Czech Republic, Palau, Micronesia, Marshall Islands, Nauru and Panama

So excuse me if I laugh at your pathetic view of the UN. The UN is nothing but the voice of the countries on this planet.
Most of the western world has said YES to Palestine, the ones who said no are a tiny, irrelevant, minority.

The fact that the US and Israel could only muster support from Canada and Czech Republic besides tiny insignificant islands says volume about how isolated they are in this world.

The reality is that the entire world considers Palestine a legitimate state. The entire world considers Israel's settlements as illegal.

There's literally nobody in Israel and the US's corner, nobody.

You forgot to mention 41 countries that abstained from the vote such as Germany, Britain, Australia, etc. Of course, some countries might have concerns of terrorist acts if they don't bend to the will of Islam since Muslims make up 23% of the world population, versus .2% Jews.

Now that palestine is a state, it can supply it's own water, etc. I wish palestine the best.

So it was ok for Isreal to be accepted and then disregard the UN borders that where set up for it's statehood? And it's not OK for palestinians to have the same action from the UN?

JW, the palestinian territories are supplying Isreal with water. not the other way around. Most of Isreal's water comes from the west bank. The oslo accords were used by Isreal to steal said water and deny water to people in west bank. Gee I wonder why Palestinians have been so angry with Isreal?

Hey, guess what you Zionists out there, the Palestinians have recognization by the UN and all your moaning and wailing will not change the fact. It is time to deal with the fact that the Palestinians are entitled to their own state and the Israeli will have to get the f-k out of occupied land.

To jw, the countries that obstained are more worried about attacks from Jews, both economic and terror, than they are from Muslims. It is about time for a little fairness to the people whose land was stolen in 1948.

The Arabs back then rejected the division and confiscation of their land as any one would. There isn't a Jew in America that would have taken the deal the Palestinians were offered, if the situations had been reversed. This was the deal - The Jews get half of Arab land in return for Arab recognition of the new state of Israel, which would be situated on land they owned. Such a deal. Even Ben Gurion realized the facts.

"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is
normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how
could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti -
Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but
one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept
that?"

David Ben Gurion (first Israeli PM, quoted by Nahum Goldmann
in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

ralph, the Iranian fanatical muslim is here again posting bogus articles. ahmadinejad and the rest of the ayatollah pedophile murderers love you. Stay there.

Who would have accepted that "deal". Learn the story with an open mind please and you will learn that the Palestinians have suffered the harshest 'deal' in recent history. This is a small but hugely symbolic event. MOSt of the world is acknolwedging this. The US has been on the wrong side of humanity in the Mid East since 1948.

Oh and please "farideh" (which can not possibly be your real name) who are you trying to fool with this fake arab/armenian name yet zionist ideologies..

Sounds good but #9 is never going to happen, and probably not ever #2 and #3 either.

#9 eh? So you think a group of people held together by a single religious ideology are even capable of forming a secular democracy? That point alone is almost laughable. I know you are saying that those conditions need to be met and not nesseccarily saying they ever will, but thanks for the laugh there. What it takes to form a secular democracy is almost nonexistent anywhere in the middle east, or for that matter anywhere outside of NATO. I am literally laughing my a$$ off on that point....

Gaza=99.3% Muslim. Hamas enforces Sharia. Israeli Sympathisers are jailed, murdered and dragged through the streets by motorcycles as a warning. All people are being taught(terrorist style) they MUST hare Jews and help as they can to wipe Israel off the map. This is NOT Palestine. This is a wanna be Muslim Extremist State. Hamas is the Fox news of the Middle East. Full of conspiracy, lies and agenda much different than the surface. Making them a State or giving them any legitamacy is the biggest mistake. They will become a haven for jihadists from all over as they are becoming today. How proposterous! A war on terror in Afghanistan and then building a terrorist State in this New Palestine. America doesn't seem to know how its changed.

Mouzie, how about Palestineans join as Israel or move. Even that would be be more possible than the points you listed. Good points but everyone knows they would never, ever be done. Lets look at what is Possible.

Seems to me that these folks deserve a voice. The Jewish people left the Middle East centuries past, then decided to return, expropriated the land and settled right in. Built walls right through people's orchards and fields, blocked them travelling to visit relatives and work, built in land that was never rightfully theirs, attacked with tanks and troops - blowing up entire blocks and villages.....The attempt to create a "greater Israel".

"Never again"? Look who is doing what to whom.

Tha Palestinians haved lived in that area for centuries - they have every right to carve out a place of their own. Why not? The UN handed the Israelis part of Palestine. The British scrambled the borders throughout the Middle East to suit their own interests - not those of the people living there. The sheiks carved out their kingdoms to remain powerful and wealthy.

I dare most of you speaking on this thread to go live in Gaza for a year - then tell us who has been treating whom badly....

So you think a group of people held together by a single religious ideology are even capable of forming a secular democracy?

Well, except for the fact that the Palestinians are far and away the most Westernized of any group of people in the middle east. They've never been a theocracy - the PLO was a freaking Marxist group for crying out loud. They have a pretty well developed civil society. They conduct local elections. Women are elected to office. Actually, women comprise over 60% of the student body at Palestinian universities. The population is overwhelmingly literate and is well educated compared to the rest of the Moslem world.

Yeah, there are extremists to be sure, but there were extremists in Northern Ireland as well. That didn't make Ireland a theocracy though.

Palestinians won't understand your long list. So forget about Palestine state in or near Israel.

"Mahmoud Abbas, also known as Abu Mazen, has endured top Arab leaders beating a path to his rival in Gaza, Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh, the leader of Hamas."

Best thing will be for both the factions to move out of their current places to some vast nation like Saudi Arabia.

So they can have as many Palestinian states as they want and wear as many dresses as they want! Saudis oil money is there for spending!

how about a more simple approach.

1 Isreal and palestinians honor the original borders that created Isreal in the 1940s.

2 We take the guns away from both sides

3 If Isreal continues it's appartied ways, we treat them just like we did South Africa.

end game.

Your step #10 is a real doozy. "Israel should slowly ease up on the aggressive strikes and attacks".

How slowly should they ease up? Should the Palestiinians simply turn the other cheek?

You Zionists are pathetic. You have been stealing land and water for decades and cannot understand why the people whose land and water you stole are unhappy with you. What's more, none of you give a s-t anyway.

My problem is we American taxpayers have been subidizing this theft for decades.

American taxpayers (not you) have also been subsidizing Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Libya, Egypt and a host of other muslim fanatical countries who attack our embassies and kill our people, like your Iranian ayatollah regime did in 1979.

eerrrr, excuse me, but I hope you don't consider Israel a "secular democracy" ???!!! Israel is the only accepted and very openly religion based state in the world, a JEWISH state, where everyone else, whether Christian or Muslim, is treated as second class (actually second class would be nice). It is the only country existing today where apartheid still exists and the people who are suffering are the non-Jews.

I think us Americans should wake up like the rest of the world and stop being manipulated by media that makes us believe we have an obligation to the Israeli state. They are ok with stealing people's land and building a country on top of someone else's, then let them deal with the consequences. As a human, I can not support that, and as a humane country we should not allow our government to support this racist apartheid state either. Just remember South Africa... justice will prevail and when it does, I want to be on the right side.

@max;

Oh really? One of Hamas first moves after reuninting with the West Bank was executing an alleged "Israeli sympathizer". Hamas did this with out the due process of law that the West Bank called for. So you will vote for statehood of a state that can not even live by their own rules?

Whole heartedly agree. Its in everyone's best interest that they be recognized and that they not be required to rein in all of their most angry citizens before the ppl of palestine themselves are recognized. Their own pride of existence and being recognized has having rights as a people will do more to enable them to control the more violent elements within their own ranks than will any isreali military bombardment. Hate just breeds more hate.

That is ridiculous OneVoice. They will just be able to organize against their enemies more so with that kind of freedom. They will not "rein in" their "angry citizens"...they will train and supply them and have a better platform to launch their terror attacks against Isreal.

"Give us statehood"...."we demand to be able to drag dead bodies through our streets and still seen as a respectable people who deserve a state"....really?

Cough these crabs up and remove them from their heads for their crimes against humanity and maybe we might lend an ear for a bit....otherwise, you can't be taken even remotely seriously.

Hate breeds more hate. Violence breeds more violence.

Attacking someone because you believe he is going to attack you. Why not just kill them all. That is the only solution that will fill your empty soul.

What if there is a small group of Mexicans living in an area of New Mexico and they request recognition of statehood by the U.N. ?

Does every refugee group now get their own state whereever they squat?

@JW - are you serious? The same can easily be said about Jews. Jewish state was created by UN side by side with a Palestinian state. Palestinians have been there before most Jews moved into the neighborhood and they deserve their own country, just like Jews do.

There will be NO world Peace with an Extremist Muslim State in the middle of Israel. Imagine living with someone who has vowed to kill you, no matter how nice you try to be, in your own house. Just try to imagine. There can Never be Peace between these people. This is a set up for destruction and the whole world will have to get involved. All Palestine, the way it has evolved, must be Israel. Should have been from the start as Balfour wanted before some freak British Commissioner, McMahon, in Egypt promised the area to Faisel if they helped chase out the Ottoman...before the British moved in. Big,big mistake which caused the UN to Partition. Israel needs a safe State with enough room for all immigrants the world wide. They need to know their neighbors aren't plotting to destroy them. These neighbors they have have Vowed To Death to destroy. They teach their children Shahada. They will never quit. Never be Peaceful and should not be allowed to stay.

And quess what. I'm a Liberal. I follow facts, not all emotion, not conspiracies or crazy mystical predictions. I just for sure these people can never live together until Middle Eastern Extremist Islam stops teaching their children to Obliterate Israel for "God". And that would take generations.

NUTS!!! OneVoice.

Isreal did not attack the Palestinians. Their recent battle was defensive. Lets drop oh say...a thousand bombs in random locations in your city and see if city officials don't eventually decide something must be done. The Isrealis put up with so much of this crap before they react. You are nuts.

The Isrealis don't hate the so called Palestinians. The Palestinians, in particular the terrorist organization Hamas, clearly hate everybody but Muslims, and probably hate Muslims who don't agree with them as well.

empty soul....lol.

@CT - Israel has their own problems, their own terrorists, and their own war criminals. Should we take the statehood away from them for these reasons? I know Israel does not want Palestinians to have their own state - ever. How can they continue to steal Palestinian land if there is a Palestinian state?

And unfortunately US continues to blindly back Israel at great cost to our nation.

This resolution is completely one sided.

Israel occupied the West Bank only after Israeli Jerusalem was attacked with bombs from Eastern Jerusalem.

Israel has a right to defensible secure borders and to make that the hilltops and Jordan valley is not a launchpad against Israel.

All of this is missing from this resolution.

that is why it will not advance a two state solution.

max, the palestinians do have their own country....it is called jordan.

i don't like the palestinians living as they do, but israel shouldn't be attacked on a non-stop basis. why don't the arab countries that "care" about the palestinians and have 6000x the land of israel take them in? pay a billion to an arab country and a billion for moving expenses and be done with it.

jw101, after the World War II there were several major "resettlements". For example, western parts of today's Poland belonged to Germany, and what is now western Belarus and Ukraine - was part of Poland before the war.

After the war winner (mainly Stalin and Churchill) decided that there cannot be peaceful living for non-titular groups in the newly re-created nation states. So some 2 or 3 millions Germans were move to the West, in their place Poles from the East were resettled, and Ukrainians were sent from Poland to the USSR.

These resettlements are generally frowned upon, because many people have lost their property, were forced to find home and jobs in unknown regions etc. But in my opinion, after 20 or 30 years this solution has proved to be stable and not that bad. At least, there was no intra-state ethnic violence after that (compare that with the former Yugoslavia).

So, such resettlement and compensations could help. But it comes with a price - this solution will certainly be unpopular among the Palestinians, so whatever politician will agree, he (or she, but it is improbable ;)) will be marked as a 'traitor'.

You can all keep imagining these insane, depraved (deportation... sounds like Nazis at work) and totally unrealistic solutions just to please Israel and rid them of the Palestinians if you want to.

You just need to keep in mind that you're looking like a bunch of clowns talking total non sense.

Today, 138 countries, many of them countries of the western world gave a resounding YES to the question : Is there a state of Palestine on the land post-1967 ?

So there's no point in talking about resettling the Palestinians, giving them statehood or not, etc... It's done, the whole world recognizes it, the state of Palestine exists, it's there and there's no going back.

All that can happen is for the occupation and settlements to continue for a little while, with Israel avoiding negotiations, and then Palestine going to the International Criminal Court, which without any doubt will condemn Israel's settlement policy, and most countries on this planet who have treaties to abide by the ICC's judgment will start enforcing sanctions on Israel, forcing it to withdraw the settlements or get strangled.

It's over, it's now just a question of time until Israel exits the territories. It might be a few years, but the process cannot be stopped anymore without enormous harm to... Israel.

LOL...because the useless, powerless UN says so huh Michael?

It has become extremely clear given recent events that the UN is irrelevant and has no muscle to back anything they say anyway so...who really cares what it declares.

michael - Have you looked at at the list of those countries? leichtestein, luxembug, paraguay, lithuania, sri lanka....... no wonder tghe UN is a joke with these third world countries having majority vote while we pay the bills. UN is useless.

How about giving statehood to the West Bank and condemning Gaza?

I agree, let's kick the UN out, and the US should have nothing to do with it anymore !

Once done, there will be no more US veto at the UN Security Council.

Since the rest of the world will just keep being members of the UN, they will keep following its rules, and they will respect resolutions from a Security Council where the US has no voice.

I bet that within 15 minutes of the US leaving the UN, there will be a Security Council resolution passed applying economic sanctions against Israel.

And most countries on this planet will follow the rules of the UN and enforce them.

So yes, have the US leave the UN, please do ! There's no better way to make the US irrelevant on this planet.

michael - Hate America much? as a true liberal are you outraged by the MB in Egypt leaving liberals out after you supported their "arab spring"? why so much hatred towards jews? what have they done to you?

moshe moshe - why don't you try telling it like it really is? You are a Palestinian and nothing anyone says as the truth that shows Isreal in a good light and the warmongering Palestinians as they are is going to be agreed to by you. The Palestinians started the latest ruckus by sending THOUSANDS of bombs into the civilian areas of Isreal. Isreal finally, after weeks of putting up with it, fired back - aiming for military targets- but since the cowardly Hamas hide their weapons behind women, children, and hospitals, could not avoid civilian casualties! The palestinians do not deserve statehood and should not get it!!!!

Sending down leaflets from airplanes telling civilians when they would strike and where and what safe road to take out of town sounds like they tried very hard. Taking wounded children into Israeli hospitals sounds like the right thing to do. Israel cannot exist next to suicide bombers, weapon stockpiles and missels from even Iran and let people move freely in Israel. Nuts. Go watch Palestinean children playing a Shahada game and fighting over who gets to be the dead one, honored for killing Jews. This situation plays out only one way. NO Peace and total hostility to Israel. Thats the fact. Stop kicking the can down the road and make all Palestine Israel now, instead of after a WWIII.

"We are ashamed of being in Israeli."

Moshe,

one word.....LEAVE!

Thank you for this. A lot of people don't realize that when Hamas fires rockets at Israel it isn't just because they decided they wanted to. The Zionist Movement forcefully entered Palestine and setup a country regardless of any direction of the British Mandate at the time that was attempting to come to a two-state solution even though "Israel" did not exist prior to the British Mandate, and since then Israel has engaged in willful apartheid and genocide, and have at this point turned Gaza into as you state a concentration camp.

Israel needs to pull out all settlements, pay for lands that cannot be given back for whatever reason, and end the practice of apartheid and genocide now. They need to go back to the original lines and live with it.

Few realize that solving the constant crisis is entirely in Israel's court, and every action they take in offense of this makes the region less willing to allow their existence and more ready to push Israel into the sea.

Israel: founded because of the horrors of the Holocaust has succeeded only in living a legacy of Holocaust themselves.

Concentration camp bunk--

...former PA security chief Muhammad Dahlan said that Gaza was "not under siege," and that its residents were "not lacking anything."

In July 2010, Egyptian journalist Ashraf Abu Al-Houl wrote in Al-Ahram (Egypt's most prominent newspaper) that "in actual terms" Gaza is not under siege. He further noted that stores were "flowing with goods" at "low prices." Abu Al-Houl went as far as detailing the thriving entertainment and amusement parks industry in Gaza.

Moreover, numbers speak for themselves: in March 2012, the same month when 300 Hamas rockets were fired from Gaza at Israeli towns, 3,653 truckloads of goods were delivered from Israel to Gaza and 1,375 Gazan patients and companions entered or passed through Israel for medical treatments, followed by another 1,364 in April, 2012.

In August 2012, the Hamas prime minister's brother in law was allowed to enter Israel for treatment in an Israeli hospital.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3453/besieging-gaza

Moshe Moshe.....Who is "we" you keep writing about? Do you have a frog in your back pocket?

The Israelis have tried to arrange peace for decades and the only answer they received was suicide bombers, Israeli Olympic atheletes murdered and rockets shot at their schools. And you say Israel is unfair? ha ha ha. Now that the Palestinians got their butts kicked and are whining like little girls, some fools feel pity for the loser terrorists.

And do they want peace now? Awwww, HELL NO! They still want their way but they are in no position to tell ANYONE what to do. When they renounce their hate, stop using their children as human shields and act civilized, maybe then the ignorant stubborn fools that are leaders of the Palestinians will get concessions.

Procrustes and jw,

I'm starting to think moshe is lying about being an Isreali...actually, most certain of it.

That ones statements seem really really "off".

Haven't you people learned anything, our President is irrelevant in our support for Isreal. It does not matter who is President in the US. We will always support Isreal's right to exist.

Israel need not be ashamed. They have lived with Arab brothers for hundreds of years. But how can they live with Extreme Muslims who vow to destroy them, no matter what concessions are given. And how can any area be divided up when both Arab and Israeli lived in it together. What, draw lines house by house? The UN doesn't understand and drew lines as they thought but its ridiculously false. And then the UN wanted partition! because they couldn't fix it. So Israel HAS to have a blockade to keep suicide bombers and trouble maker terrorists out and stop Weapon shipments IN. Too bad they can't control the Egypt border. Palestine has become a Trojan Horse into the middle of Israel, no matter what people USED to live there. And it will not end until Palestine is Israel...right or wrong its the only way for peace. Politics doesn't apply here..nothing applies accept the only real soultion that Israel Is Palestine for peace. I love Netanyahu.

Some might say all Israel should be all Muslim for peace but the entire World Needs Israel. Refugees from all over the world need Israel. Muslims have lots of choices. There is only one Israel and it Must Exist.

You mean with Morsi's allegiance to the Brotherhood and Syrias fall to the Brotherhood, and Jordans takeover by the Brotherhood...and Iran & Russia?

Hey, while we're at it, lets go back to how the European's invaded that land in the crusades. Or even better, lets blame the Romans for destroying israel in 78 ad. Even better, what happened to those canaanites that were living in the land of milk and honey before Moses and his army invaded. Oh wait, did those nasty canaanites displace someone else when they moved it.

How can you give that which you do not own. The Brits may have had control of it, but there were people living there. Those people have been occupied by the Turks, the Brits and now the Israeli's.

Hate breeds more hate. Violence breeds more violence. Find a solution to this and you will have peace on earth. There are only 2 choices. Make peace with your enemies or kill them all and become your own worst enemy in the process. The guys with the nukes have to decide.

Great Britain gave the land back to the Jews as compensation for jews across the world helping to fund the fight against the germans. Nothing to do with something the bible told anyone to do. with

The palestinians threaten to kill all Israeli citizens, wipe Israel off the map and then deal with American infidels that insulted allah.

TYPICAL MUZZIE terrorist modus operandi

Milton, Balderdash! Hamas is the Fox News of the Middle East.

They did, that's the problem. They went back to where they started from, 3,000 years before Mohammed was a glint in his father's eye.

Until the PA and Hamas formally acknowledge Israel's right to exist, there is no chance for peace.

carl - If you are genuinly concerned about that, you should ask your palestinian friends why they did not accept a palestinian state in 1947. Then ask the arabs why they did not let palestinians to establish a state in pre 1967 borders during the first 20 years. Then ask yourself where in the history a victor did not dictate terms to the defeated army - as we did to hussein in Iraq in 1991. After you get those answers, we will talk again.