this is on huffington post and the undeleted version can be seen at http://www.thehill.com/blogs/twitterroom/other-news/270150-un-mistakenly-tweets-endorsement-of-one-state-solution-ahead-of-vote-on-palestine. Kudos for Czech Republic.

DietrichtheKaiser

How can the powerless organization tell Israel, a sovereign nation, what to do within it's borders...that's like the UN tell the United States that Texas is now an independent state... The UN has no right...but this is all fulfillment of prophecy from centuries ago...

#1.2 - Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:06 PM CST

... you should Google "Israeli Statehood"... or "End of British Colonialism in the Middle East"... or "Exodus 1947".

Rob68... you know that is exactly what the British said about GW and this country a few hundred years ago... nothing else has worked, maybe this will... gotta give it a chance. 138 - 9... maybe the world is just tired of the "status quo".

"The path to a two-state solution that fulfills the aspirations of the Palestinian people is through Jerusalem and Ramallah, not New York," she said Wednesday.

Dear Hillary,

You should have substituted 'Washington, D.C' for 'New York'. Remember that in the future as I'm sure you, as Secretary of State (or your replacement), will be dealing with this very issue in the not too distant future. This aint over by a loooong shot.

I thought our president was in favor of a Palastinian state. And we cast a "NO" vote? WTF?

A negotiated peace and borders first then statehood. This move only allows the PLO to ask for Israeli leaders to be tried for war crimes to force Israel into a bad deal and further attacks.

You can watch only what the real worlds goverments do at the UN..but keep your mouths shut and check in all vest bombs at front door please!

The thing that people do not seem to understand in all of this is that the West Bank land where the Palestinians live was taken from Jordan by Israel. Of course Jordan has never really expressed any interest in getting that territory back, largely because they do not want to have to deal with the Palestinians any more than anyone else does. What this means is that the formation of any Palestinian state would require that Jordan formally cede all legal claim to the land. I do not see this as being a problem, since the border between Jordan and the West Bank territory is not really in dispute.

As far as this UN resolution passing, I fear it is going to have the exact opposite effect of what people want. If the Palestinians start using this new found status to begin filing a whole raft of cases with the ICC it is only going to create a lot more tension. This statehood petition by the Palestinians may also have some unintended consequences for them. Most of the water and power in the West Bank comes in from Israel. If Palestine starts pushing the statehood issue by filing cases with the ICC it could result in Israel cutting of these services. After all, there is no international law that requires one country to sell/provide water or electricity to another. So long as the West Bank was considered Israeli territory, the Israeli government had a certain moral and ethical obligation to provide basic services to the residents. With the West Bank as part of a new Palestinian the Israeli government has no such obligation. For things like this to keep from being an issue, the establishment of an independent Palestinian state needed to be negotiated between the two sides, not dictated by the UN at the request of one side and against the wishes of the other. As for the Palestinians all I can say is to remember the saying about being careful what you ask for because you just might get it.

Rob68,

You forget the Jewish terrorists that won Israel it's nationhood.

Deitrich,

The West bank and Gaza even Jerusalem are not Israeli territory. It was a very wise decision in 1947 to not give Jerusalem to any one religious group. The partition boundaries are the only legal borders in the area.

@Ed,

The West bank and Gaza even Jerusalem are not Israeli territory

You may want to check the results of the Six-Day War.

Gaza, the Sinai, West Bank, E. Jerusalem and the Golan Heights were ascertained from that conflict. To the victor go the spoils and all that stuff.......

i say let them have it. let them get their own borders and food and jobs and destiny and government and military. and then when they decide to throw some bombs they can get wiped off the map for real and put an end once and for all.

control your people and your power and live, or become a smear on the ground.

If only the suicide bombers could be here to celebrate.

@JS in SD

The Palestinians at the West Bank wish for a separate and independent government and country. That means that Israel, as a separate country, is not obligated in a any way to provide for utilities and services.

Now, they are forced under International laws to provide access to these services (at their own territory). Everything would work out as expected and desired.

From now on, they better be very careful about sending missiles into Israel. they are a Country now and if they continue to do it, it's an act of war and Israel can retaliate, no holds barred.

"Why should the Arabs make peace? If I were an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been antisemitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that? They may perhaps forget in one or two generations' time, but for the moment there is no chance." David Ben-Gurion, first prime minister of Israel

they need to be recognized as a country , then they can be pimp slapped down when their idiots start lobbing explosives on their neighbors

I support a Palestinian state, but ONLY if the Palestinians recognize Israel's right to exist (and Israelis recognize the right of the Palestinians to have their own state and peacefully coexist). Since the UN didn't bother to do require that mutual recognition, this move is more likely to increase violence than decrease it.

As long as the farce of a Palestinian government which refuses to recognize the right of the Jewish people to have a state in the Middle East is allowed to continue, blood will continue to be shed, and Israelis and Palestinians will continue to suffer from the seemingly endless cycle of senseless violence.

82AllAmericans....For you to compare George Washington to Hamas is completely assinine and I can't believe you went there....And if you can't see that, you need some serious help....

But hey...At least Hamas has more supporters....

This win virtually means nothing that's why it passed, but the Palestinians are politically ignorant and too blinded by hate to see that. And I'm sure the EU citizens are not happy about having to continue their financial support of 4.3 million fake refugees. Europe's betrayal of a democratic country will catch up with them in the end. Muslim demands are endless and it won't be long before the Europeans are outnumbered

AmericanDefender9,

Perhaps you should read UN resolution 242.

By eliminating any right to 'spoils of war', it was hoped that there would less wars to grab other people's stuff. (paraphrasing)

If the Palistinians were to be granted their soverign state and full membership to the UN, they would be forced to recognise Israel's right to exist, as part of the UN Charter's rules for membership. What's so bad about that?

So now that Palestine has non member state status, who is in charge of Palestine, Fatah or Hamas? Abbas or Meshal? recent history has shown Abbas and Fatah have been the better group to negotiate with. Hamas is a terrorist organization. And this development will be linked to Hamas's "victory" over Israel. If Hamas wins the power struggle, a terrorist run state creates a good and bad thing. The bad thing is obvious. The good thing is that up until now, the CIA never had a state to target as terrorist. Now it will. Let the drones fly!!!

The solution should have been to give the West Bank non member status, and nothing to Gaza until they get rid of Hamas. But somehow I don't think Morsi would let that happen to his brothers.

Great reward for terrorism. We must appease the Islamicists! Brussels will be an Islamic city in 10 years. Good. I'm scratching my head because I used to think that liberalism stood against terrorists, but I am now assuming there is a new catagory.

There will be a continued push to exterminate Israel, I am sure of this. It is written in the Islamic religious texts and in the Hamas constitution.

hardtostarboard said

This is not a good thing. Nothing good ever comes out of the UN.

This is very true. The creation of Israel by the UN is an excellent example.

Kevin

The medical, technical, agricultural and economic contributions made by Israel since 1948 are astounding. And all the while they were attacked continuously by larger and more populated countries. To call the creation of Israel "nothing good" falls in the category of lunacy.

ED2874315, the UN are always recklessly issuing resolutions to Israel much like the same way Palestinians are always handing out sweets to celebrate the death of Americans and Israeli's.

Since the U.S. voted NO and doesn't like it, then maybe we should do the right thing and LEAVE the United Nations. It really is a joke anyway!

The British taking over Palestine and giving to the displaced Jews is the issue, that we have been dealing with since the McMahon Agreement [1915] and the Balfour Declaration. The McMahon Agreement was supposed to grant their homeland back to the Palestinians for helping defeat the Turks, although the British said it didn't! The Balfour Declaration [1917] started an influx of Jews into the predominantly Arab area,believing that they had received the land! There had been a secret agreement between the British and French called the Sykes-Picot Agreement that said they were going to split the area! They [Jews and Arabs] both considered each other and the British as their enemies, and there was numerous back and forth terrorist attacks. After WWII, many of the Jews had served in the military with the Allies and came back performing acts of terrorism against the British and Arabs using military tactics they had learned ,trying to establish their claim! In 1947 the UN split the land into 2 sections[ one for Arabs and one for Jews ]. In 1948 the British left and Israel was attacked. After that point the Palestinians started their terrorist attacks on Israel,as they didn't recognize Israel. In closing, The Ottoman empire absorbed Palestine in 1517 and the Turks had continued control of the area since then, until League of Nations gave it to the British after WWI, which allowed the Israeli's to move into the area.

Palestine is Israel land that is basically being "homesteaded" by a group of people that won't leave and decided to claim what isn't lawfully or ethically theirs. How can the U.N. declare any land within a sovereign nation as belonging to another people.

REGARDLESS of your personal pro or anti Palestine/Israel views; there is a precedence here that needs to be addressed. It the U.N. can get away with circumventing the rights of Israel; what will stop the U.N. from claiming territory in France, Italy, Brazil, England or any other country. It's time to look beyond the trees people and see the forest.... This is bad, very bad for all nations free or otherwise....

Ed,

Since I do NOT recognize the authority of the UN, I need not read any of their charters, decrees or any other senseless drivel. I put no faith or stock in them and their puppets, including those within this very Gov't, who wish to enforce B.S. doctrine.

Have a nice day.

AmericanDef, so since you don't recognize the authority of the UN and the UN created Israel then you don't recognize Israel, right?

Love the smoke and mirrors. The Palestinian State, a puppet for the Islamic powers. This was why a pro-Palestinian US government opposed the resolution.

Essentially, what it does is essential steal away any latitude the Palestinians have to bargain with. Think about it, what could they ask for? At least before it had a starting point, and goal. Now they have nothing. Other than demands, but with nothing to give, they have no negotiating power.

But what it does is give extremists power and control out of the reach of Israel, but still close enough to hear them breath....

Oh and btw, there is historical documentation that this land was under Jewish Authority. Even the Historic Society and Smithsonian has validated the historic facts of it. They were "taken" from the land, but never gave up ownership. So regardless of 1946/47 and beyond, they have the original deed (or actually grounds to prove they own the deeds to the land).

a MAJOR GAME CHANGER, THE united States AS A SECURITY COUNCIL MEMBER HAS VETOED this for the last 25 years; we now will recognize them as a sovereign independent Nation, a major change in U.S. policy, since before we would only agree if they admitted that Israel had a right to exist; Kissinger may be correct, he said 2 months ago that Israel will no longer exist in 10 years!

Ronzywf - Your description is a mirror image of accurate.

"Why should the Arabs make peace? If I were an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been antisemitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that? They may perhaps forget in one or two generations' time, but for the moment there is no chance." David Ben-Gurion, first prime minister of Israel

The last time that the UN did anything worthwhile was in 1948. It's been tits on a bull ever since with a very expensive appetite.

Ahhh! and the anointed one (Obama), so beloved around the world, could do nothing but watch as his jaw hit the floor.

If you dummycrats believe Obama is so loved around the world, why could he not pull his magic tricks and make this a non-starter?

So much for talking nice to the enemy?

I don't understand anyone who's critical of the UN because of this vote. If you argue the UN is not legitimate, or is wrong about this vote, then it follows that since the UN created Israel you also think Israel is not legitimate and wrong, right?

Israel is a re-established nation. Palestine was never a country, it is not a separate ethnic group.

Rob68; it is you that needs serious help - help understanding how the USA won its freedom from Britain. The Colonists used what was at the time - terrorists tactics. If you think we defeated the Brits by standing up toe to toe against them, you couldn't be more wrong.

PS; I love your Dobie Gillis "Thinking Man" pose - it and your snide retorts give you sooooo much more credibility.

@esam;

I don't understand anyone who's critical of the UN because of this vote.

Understand the West Bank is now once again aligned with a terrorist group. We do not negotiate with terrorists.

Cut them off.

Your point was already made earlier in the vine, that the U.N gave Israel statehood, to me this is a moot point. The goals of Hamas, and Abbas are what concern me. They are feeling squirrely, so let them find their own nuts.

Oh and I am not talking about the ones in charge.

garcher-1253370

Ahhh! and the anointed one (Obama), so beloved around the world, could do nothing but watch as his jaw hit the floor.

If you dummycrats believe Obama is so loved around the world, why could he not pull his magic tricks and make this a non-starter?

So much for talking nice to the enemy?

If you really believe that, you are naive my friend!

Susan Rice gave HIS speech to put up a nice show, HOWEVER, Obama got the result he wanted and comes out unscathed!

Hey Chef!!

But... but Coral, Israel was established and ran by the Zionist terror groups of the Irgun, the Haganah, the Stern Gang, the Lehi, the Palmach, etc. Remember? You don't? You mean you're talking out of your ass again? Oh, well.

American def,

You probably don't recognise the authority of elected Democrats either. You probably don't recognise the authority of your local Sheriff, but when he pulls you over and hauls you in for DUI or something else, he will believe he has authority over you.

Ljstauth,

Your last paragraph is laughable. The Jews were only a soverign state in ancient times for 360 years in all of history at the most. The rest of the time they were a province or vassal of another empire. The Romans irradicated the Jews in the middle east after Simon Bar Kokkba' rebellion (132AD-136AD). They started to come back in the mid 1800s and by 1900 there were about 20,000 Jews in what is now Israel. By your arguement, America still belongs to the Native peoples.

Saxon,

The status that was approved today is not what the US has vetoed in the past. The Security council does not have juristiction over this. Full member status is subject to security council veto.

• A state with no control over its territory.The Palestinian Authority has zero authority in Gaza today. Out of concern for his personal safety, President Abbas has not even seen this area with binoculars since 2007, when the Hamas terrorist organization seized control of it in a bloody coup. Demonstrating their affection for Mr. Abbas, Hamas threw members of his political party off 12-story rooftops. While members of the U.S. Congress visit their constituents on a weekly basis, President Abbas hasn't laid eyes on almost half of the Palestinian population for six years.

• A terrorist state. States recognized by the U.N. must pledge to be "peace-loving." This month, Hamas showed its commitment to peace and love in Gaza by firing more than 1,200 rockets into Israeli cities. The terrorist group has used every resource at its disposal to repress its own population or attack Israel's. It has transformed Gaza into a haven for global jihadist organizations like al Qaeda. The family of nations does not need another member whose primary import is deadly weapons and whose chief exports are extremism, hatred and terror.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323751104578146773248664676.html

Yeah, way to go palestine! Today, the Palestinian people still live in pain and poverty. Last week, the Palestinian leaders in Gaza started a war with Israel and committed more than 3,000 war crimes.

Palestinian Authority institutions remain completely dependent on foreign aid, limping from crisis to crisis. Yet this year, as the PA threatened to delay payroll for many employees, it tripled payments to convicted terrorists. Today the PA devotes 6% of its annual budget to payments for imprisoned terrorists and the families of suicide bombers, and less than 1% to higher education.

Re: post from Saxon - "Kissinger may be correct, he said 2 months ago that Israel will no longer exist in 10 years!" And neither will the rest of the world as we know it.

This video and link gives some explanation of where many of the people who call themselves Palestinians originated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca48ocpFBiE

http://theisraelconnection.blogspot.com/2008/09/origin-of-name-palestine-truth-is.html

If arab countries were actually so concerned about their "brothers" in Palestine, why haven't they offered citizenship to anyone living in Palestine who would prefer and choose to be relocated to another arab state to escape their "hardships"??? It's not like many of the arab or islamic countries do not have the resources to integrate some of the people. This clip shows just how concerned other arab countries really are about those who call themselves Palestinian.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVBrfhHNPbQ

Those who call themselves Palestinians have been used as pawns in the quest for the destruction of Israel.

All of you who support this measure, would you also like to see Pakistan and Bangladesh returned to India??? Pakistan was carved out of India on the eastern and western sides a year before Israel was re-established and Pakistan was never a nation ever before in history, unlike Israel. Pakistan murders it's minorities and nothing is done about it and no one on here cares about it but let someone mention Israel and everyone gets into a twist. Please...

http://hazaranewspakistan.wordpress.com/

HEY FED!!!

great post. good to see you.

"For eight years now, they have sat in the refugee camps of Gaza and have watched how, before their very eyes, we have turned their lands and villages, where they and their forefathers previously dwelled, into our home." General Moshe Dayan, Israeli military hero - 1956

differnet

This is what comes of the gross miscalculation by the Israelis. You cannot annex land and then become an apartheid state and expect things to be honky-dory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0DJBrO5ux8

Coral Taxi,

I cannot forget the fact that it was terrorism that gained Israel it's nationhood in the '40's. The leader of Lehi, the terrorist group that fought against the British in WWll siding with the Axis, was elected Prime minister of Israel twice. They have given military honors and issued stamps glorifying the perpetrators of acts of terrorism. So I guess we do negociate with terrorists.

The Palistinians learned from this that nationhood could be achieved through terrorism. Let's not forget who planted that particular seed.

A. Commentator

but this is all fulfillment of prophecy from centuries ago...

I come in the name of the Lord. This is not the original text propehcy, but a reworded turn of the century, false Messiah prophecy to confuse believers. Your teachers are false. Your interpretations are false. You are the false teachers and prophets in this generation.

Speaking of false prophets…

The Bible says God will judge all nations who divide the Land of Israel.

refugee camps of Gaza

you should have it so good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFWcRJGrxMI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o37GHxeRqGA&feature=fvsr

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxaDmAyt84g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FePZ0y6aOos

@ed, esam;

You mean you're talking out of your ass again?

Are you saying Hamas are not Islamists that hate America and refuse to recognize Israel? They commit acts of terror at any opportunity. Israel paid their dues to live where they do by whipping up on three countries at once that tried to destroy them, this is their homeland.

Israel welcomes anyone that wishes to live in Israel peacefully. The same can not be said for Hamas or the PLO.

Why dont you guys join me in this century and get a clue to what really matters.

The Palistinians learned from this that nationhood could be achieved through terrorism

Ummm no it can be achieved by acceptance. They learned that they would lose jobs and be walled off through terrorism, they will not achieve statehood with the gun, or the bomb.

I want to remind you that, seven years ago, Israel withdrew from every square inch of Gaza. Now, Hamas took over the areas we vacated. What did it do? Rather than build a better future for the residents of Gaza, the Hamas leadership, backed by Iran, turned Gaza into a terrorist stronghold. They fired thousand of rockets at our cities, at our towns, at our civilians, at our children. They’ve smuggled thousands of rockets and missiles into Gaza, and they deliberately place these rockets and missiles in civilian areas: in homes, in schools, near hospitals. This year alone, they fired over one thousand rockets and missiles at Israel, including close to 200 rockets in the last 24 hours....

I’m stressing this because it’s important to understand one simple point. There is no moral symmetry; there is no moral equivalence, between Israel and the terrorist organizations in Gaza. The terrorists are committing a double war crime. They fire at Israeli civilians, and they hide behind Palestinian civilians. And, by contrast, Israel takes every measure to avoid civilian casualties. I saw today a picture of a bleeding Israeli baby. This picture says it all: Hamas deliberately targets our children, and they deliberately place their rockets next to their children. Despite this reality – and it’s a very difficult reality – Israel will continue to do everything in its power to avoid civilian casualties....."

http://flashtrafficblog.wordpress.com/2012/11/16/netanyahu-tells-foreign-press-there-is-no-moral-symmetry-the-terrorists-are-committing-a-double-war-crime/

Hey Chef!!

Thanks and GREAT points you mentioned too!!

The Hebrews were a wandering tribe and didn't have a land. They never did. They lived on land that semitic people (arabs) lived on, and pagans. If you want the land to revert to the original owners, you'll have to find the original semitic pagans that populated that land. That won't be hard to do. Many are still there. As for Israelis, most of them today are displaced European converts.

Coral,

Exactly where do you claim I said that?

I do not condone acts of terrorism by anyone. It is deplorable and should not be rewarded. The fact that, in Israel's case, it has and continues to be rewarded, is part of the problem. Denying the past will only prolong the conflict.

OK let me get this straight. The Palestinians were offered statehood 64 years ago by the UN but refused, waged war on Israel and lost. And now in 2012 they have to beg the UN for a Palestinian State? What are the different circumstances today as opposed to 64 years ago?

In the draft resolution, the Palestinians have pledged to relaunch the peace process immediately following the U.N. vote.

Should say: pledged to relaunch the Missiles immediately....

This vote will be used for their leverage and perceived world support.

The "wrong" in the UN decision is two fold: 1. Did not change how they view Israel.. Do they aknowledge OPENLY Israel's right to exist? 2. Zero concessions even hinted by Palestine... this does not bode well at all.

Look, it's really all very simple. As far as we SHOULD be concerned, Palistine can have their own country when they (A.) acknowledge Israel's right to exist, (B.) focus on peace rather than attacking Israel, (C.) and of course as soon as they can make it a couple decades without launching rockets over the boarder.

You know, that sort of thing. And for the record, they haven't done (or not done) any of that yet. You wouldn't think it would be so unreasonable to ask for Palistine to stop attacking Israel and acknowledge another country's right to exist in order for them to earn their right to exist as a country. Sounds fair to me. But they can't go very long before they are launching rockets again at Israel. And I have yet to hear any of these so called Palistine government officials say Israel also has a right to exist. My gosh, it isn't hard! Just say, "I acknowledge Israel's right to exist." And then, don't attack them! Easy! If they actually focused more on peace with Israel instead of attacking them, they might have gotten somewhere by now and we (the USA) wouldn't have to step in all the time. And the middle east (the most volatile region on earth) could settle down at least a bit.

All this decision will do is blow up the situation even more. You don't reward Palestine like this right after they start launching rockets over the boarder again. They initiated this mess in the first place! Again! And you can't rightfully blame Israel for fighting back when they are constantly under threat of attack from radicals who refuse to acknowledge their (Israel's) right to exist and were attacked first yet again.

Theo #1.29:

* Questionable, Unverified Source: Clifford claims that Ben-Gurion wrote: "If I were an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That it natural, we have taken their country." In fact, according to Nahum Goldmann, Ben-Gurion allegedly said this to him. Goldmann was an adversary of Ben-Gurion, and he came out with this alleged quote, verbatim, in his book published two decades later (The Jewish Paradox, 1978), five years after Ben-Gurion died. There was no recording of the quote, and Ben-Gurion was no longer around to dispute it.

http://blog.camera.org/archives/2012/08/distorted_quotes_to_defend_dis.html

And, finally, here's a real Ben-Gurion quote that Clifford chose not to share:

In our state there will be non-Jews as well — and all of them will be equal citizens; equal in everything without any exception; that is: the state will be their state as well. ...The attitude of the Jewish State to its Arab citizens will be an important factor—though not the only one—in building good neighbourly relations with the Arab States. If the Arab citizen will feel at home in our state, and if his status will not be the least different from that of the Jew, and perhaps better than the status of the Arab in an Arab state, and if the state will help him in a truthful and dedicated way to reach the economic, social, and cultural level of the Jewish community, then Arab distrust will accordingly subside and a bridge to a Semitic, Jewish-Arab alliance, will be built... (Ba-Ma'Araha Vol IV, Part 2, pp. 260, 265, quoted in Fabricating Israeli History, Efraim Karsh, p.67)"

Nice try but no bananas Theo.

I love all of the lefty anti-semite bigots , I refer to libbys as "faux tolerants" , they are only tolerant if you agree with their assinine ideology

If Jew haters really want to learn about the origins of the modern day Arab-Israeli conflict look up Trumpeldor, the battle of tel-chai, and the 1920 Nabi Musa Riots. Everything that came after that was just another Islamist excuse to commit Jewish genocide.

To all current Muslim terrorists on this post:

Go to You Tube and do a search of: “A former Terrorist speaks out – Israel/Palestine Conflict.” This is Dr. Hamid Tawfik, a former recruit to Jamaa Islamiyah (spelling?) who was interviewed while attending a medical conference in Israel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2wvqDfitLY

Palestine becomes an Observer "State, voted by the United Nations. Why are they in New York?.

They are able to take Israel to Court for Criminal Acts---

Justice. Not here--The United Nations should be moved to the Middle East, since most UN Ambassadors are Extreme Islamists who endorse Terrorism..

Fair. No. Who are the real Criminals?--HAMAS the leaders of Palestine--take them to War Criminal Court, Lock the Key, and lose it.

They are the real Criminals for the suffering of their own people, using them as young Terrorists, suicide bombers, Murderers, Kidnappers, and weeping parents watching their children disappear from their arms. This is Justice in Palestine?---This will Embolden the Terrorists even more. Ahdinemajad from Iran, must be very happy, knowing that he has a full force to rid Israel, and then go on to the United States wiping them off the face of the Earth. No wonder Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak of Israel quit Politics.

The poor Palestinian citizens have rulers who treat them like a rat under the earth. The Citizens despise HAMAS for what they have done.

Where is there Justice in this World. 99 per cent World Islamist Religion growing fast, including here in the United States---We do have trouble coming in the future.

UN and its agencies are some of the most corrupt and partisan of the world assembled in one place!

Those highly partisan and immoral people jump and dance when they see the oil and lobbyists money!

Before Iraqi wars, they discovered WMDs, most dangerous chemicall weapons, killing of children and women and so on! Just examines the stories they invented.

On this Palestinian issue, UN resolution is good for toilet papers in Sunni Islamic nations like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, UAE and other Arab League rulers.

As they have big harems with girls, women, gays, lesbians and others, UN and all its agencies' resolution(s) will be the right place.

What many people, including the Palestinians, fail to realize is that if they succeed in gaining legitimacy with the UN, Israel will have every right to roll right over the border and not stop until they reach Egypt the very next time someone lobs a rocket over the border, or fires a mortar. Bad enough a rag tag group of nobodys does it, but an authentic nation recognized by the UN?

The UN is a great idea in concept, but they really suck in practice. Blue helmeted drones watch as atrocities are committed in front of them. They can't even defend theirselves, even though they have the means to do so. Only the foolish trust in the UN. And the thing is, their ineptness and inability to do anything right, will lead to a world government. And the thing about the world government; when it comes it will seem like a very good idea, the fix of all the world's ills, and the logical thing to do.

@Ed (Post 1.60)

Usually I wouldn't waste my time in replying but I felt that your presumptuousness warranted it. With that being said, one cannot compare choosing to question the legitimacy of the UN with that of not respecting LE. Tsk tsk Eddie....for your info, I don't drink and what if I'm the Sheriff? Think about that the next time you are pulled over. Again, have a nice day.

American Def,

Your arguement is hollow, and when you resort to idle threats, you undermine yourself.

LEVI... is that why they lobbied so hard to stop the palestinian recognition?because they are concerned the next time they can take over the whole area? give me a break. this means

1- isreal can not go on without a defined border, therefore it means no more expansion and building illegal settlement.

2-it means as a state, palestinian can take the isreali's to world court for genocide, ethnic cleansing and war crime.

3- it also means that isreal has lost it's international support and sympathy.

It's about darn time. This is the key to ending terrorism. But poor Isreal will now be held accountable. Imagine having to live by the law instead of the whim. Now the people of Palestine will have the same status as everybody else in the world. Thank God the UN finally did the right thing.

Did you guys notice that you had to dig to get to this story? Not on front page of msnbc? I wonder why such an important story got so little play.

Would you look at that.... Anything remotely critical of Israel gets collapsed. Well, here's my post again.

This is what comes of the gross miscalculation by the Israelis. You cannot annex land and then become an apartheid state and expect things to be honky-dory. I realize the Israeli government was trying to appease its own people, but you can only go so far and then world opinion turns against you.

An apartheid state @different? See post 1.66 (Fedup) and comment on that, which until now you've conveniently avoided doing.

There are bills in congress that would pull funding from Palestine and anyone of the players who go into an agreement with them. I hope they pass and the US stops supporting terrorism because that is what our tax payer money that is sent to Palestine and Egypt and the rest pays for.

Thanks Basil! Of course he will ignore the truth!

Palestinian Chairman Mahmoud Abbas (aka, Abu Mazen) said, "“We did not come here to delegitimize a state established years ago, and that is Israel. Rather we came to affirm the legitimacy of a state that must now achieve its independence, and that is Palestine.” However, he also praised the Palestinian terrorists who died in the war against Israel last week in Gaza, calling them "beloved martyrs."

In response, the Israeli Prime Minister's spokesman responded...."The world watched a defamatory and venomous speech that was full of mendacious propaganda against the IDF and the citizens of Israel. Someone who wants peace does not talk in such a manner."

Amb. Prosor noted the numerous times since 1947 that Jewish and Israeli leaders have offered their hand in peace to their Arab neighbors, only to be rejected and attacked time after time. He insisted that there is only one route to peace. "And that route does not run through this chamber in New York. That route runs through direct negotiations between Jerusalem and Ramallah that will lead to a secure and lasting peace between Israelis and Palestinians."

In this morning's Wall Street Journal, Israel's Ambassador to the U.N. Ron Prosor writes a column that is worth reading and considering. He asks, "Exactly what kind of state are we voting for?" A few excerpts:

• A state with no control over its territory -- The Palestinian Authority has zero authority in Gaza today. Out of concern for his personal safety, President Abbas has not even seen this area with binoculars since 2007, when the Hamas terrorist organization seized control of it in a bloody coup. Demonstrating their affection for Mr. Abbas, Hamas threw members of his political party off 12-story rooftops. While members of the U.S. Congress visit their constituents on a weekly basis, President Abbas hasn't laid eyes on almost half of the Palestinian population for six years.
• A terrorist state -- States recognized by the U.N. must pledge to be "peace-loving." This month, Hamas showed its commitment to peace and love in Gaza by firing more than 1,200 rockets into Israeli cities.
• An undemocratic state -- Hamas has imposed brutal tyranny in Gaza, and Palestinian democracy in the West Bank is also far from Jeffersonian. President Abbas's mandate to rule expired three years ago. He continues to personally extend it without elections or consultation from his people.
• A bankrupt state -- Palestinian Authority institutions remain completely dependent on foreign aid, limping from crisis to crisis. Yet this year, as the PA threatened to delay payroll for many employees, it tripled payments to convicted terrorists. Today the PA devotes 6% of its annual budget to payments for imprisoned terrorists and the families of suicide bombers, and less than 1% to higher education.

Ed,

Trust me when I say that my argument is far from hollow. In addition, there was no threat (idle or otherwise) intended by my comments. What you perceived is just that....your perception. And to borrow your phrase, perhaps it's your perceptions that undermine you. Again, nothing to be construed as threatening. So again, for the third time, have a nice day Ed.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and smells like a duck; it's almost certainly a duck. You can claim all the time that Israel isn't apartheid, but the evidence is against you.

rameshm2: Give us a break from your one-sided crap!

In many nations, there were genocides of non-Muslims. How many Muslim rulers have been taken to ICC?

If any rulers deserve to be punished for their crimes, then the whole House of Saud and Paki rulers should have been sentenced long time back.

It will take another 100 years for the Jews of Israel to advance to that level and match them!

Funny how many of you say that now "Palestine" can take Israel to court for "war crimes"...Really?? There is a war?? That means "Palestine" would have to admit they are at war with Israel....And that means Israel can take "Palestine" to court for "war crimes" as well, yes?? I mean it goes both ways now...

Like I said before...Hamas should be careful for what they wish for...

And Patches...you too are a dolt...Yes launching missiles in hopes of killing innocents, kidnapping and killing people, blowing up buses to kill innocents is JUST like George Washington....Man I missed that part of History class....

@Differnet: "Brilliant" counter-argument!

rameshm2: Either Saudi Arabia starting from Mecca and Medina opens up for non-Muslim religious places and scriptures or else they don't have any right to fund the Salaffi and Wahhabi mosques, Sunni Islamic hate preaching and killer training centers, all over the world.

If House of Saud does not open up, then all their Salaffi and Wahhabi mosques starting from the US, Britain, Europe and other nations should be closed.

House of Saud, a strict Wahhabi, is not even tolerating Prophet Mohammad’s heritage places. House of Saud consists of a megalomaniac, despotic and bigoted ruler and highly corrupt, despotic, bigoted seventh century mindset 5000 princes and princesses.

In Mecca, the house of one of the wives of Mohammed was demolished and converted into public lavatories. Mohammed’s birth place may vanish with plans to have skyscrapers, mega shopping malls and a Grand mosque!

In Medina, ten years ago a mosque of grandson of Mohammed was dynamited and the religious police were celebrating on this. There are plans to pull down three seventh century mosques in future.

One-way traffic for Muslims, especially Sunni Saudis and co, are over.

Also we won't side them in their Shiites vs Sunni battles in Syria, Iran, Pakistan and other places.

Funny how many of you say that now "Palestine" can take Israel to court for "war crimes"...Really?? There is a war?? That means "Palestine" would have to admit they are at war with Israel....And that means Israel can take "Palestine" to court for "war crimes" as well, yes?? I mean it goes both ways now...

Indeed. It also does something else. It provides an avenue for Israel to haul said State before a UN court and charge said State with the murder of Arafat! The Palestinians opened up that can of worms with their latest investigation. The trouble is, the only people with motive to poison Arafat would have been the Palestinians. Arafat announced during the peace talks that Israel would be recognized as the Jewish State. Shortly thereafter, Arafat is lying in a hospital bed, dying.

Arafat's successors were opposed from the beginning that Israel should be recognized as the Jewish State or even as a State at all. That is motive. So, if indeed he were murdered, Israel could potentially use Palestine's new status to haul then in before the World Court and charge them with the murder, if a murder there was.

Wouldn't that be an interesting twist? :-)

Yes Ed...Lets back a "state" that is run by a KNOWn terror organization.....Sure...

I agree NavDoc...or now that it's done, recognize it and make Israel come to the table.

I think I have to agree. Not sure if this whole thing is good or bad but certainly no worse than what we have now. Both sides have blood on their hands for everything that has gone on but it does seem that Israel gets away with a whole lot that is not reported and I'm personally tired of the blind support we show Israel regardless and how they seem hell bent on getting us involved in another war. Time for us to start looking out for USA first not Israel then USA. Pull all funding if they don't want to start listening and respecting us more, let em stand on their own for awhile without big brother USA to come in and clean up the mess. Doesn't mean we go hold hands and sing songs with Palestine now but at least it would appear to be a step in the right direction and show that we are willing to look at both sides of the coin like we should.

It is time

Rob68

a "state" that is run by a KNOWn terror organization.

WHAT??

Hamas would be considered a "terrorist" organization but they have a separate government.

The West Bank have gone through all the legal and appeasing process laid out by Israelis, and what have they got? Zip, Zero, Nada! And more settlements in their own land by Israelis, who consider them as alien in their own land.

Ed, you are ABSOLUTELY correct!! The U.S. has given blind complete blanket support to Israel for far too long. Palestine deserves a plot of land to call their own...that's all they're asking...and that is the only reason they have waged 'terrorist' attacks in the past. (They are called terrorist acts ONLY because we don't recognize them as what WE would call defensive acts of war if it were us, or Israel, or GB or ....) I say we need to curtail the blind support given to Israel and recognize Palestine as a legitimate State, and urge Israel to grant Palestine the land they wish. And Hillary says this will do nothing to advance the creatiuon of a two-state solution we all want to see? That has got to be the most hypocritical thing I've ever heard! This is EXACTLY what should be the start of the creation of a peaceful, two-state compromise. Why can't everyone just get along, for crying out loud? Give Palestine their land, recognize their state and leave them the heck alone! And tell Israel to start acting like a mature adult.

Mexico's illegal drug problem is our fault, look up the probation era problems here for reference.

And vindicator, you need to replace mexico with colombia.

Isn't it ironic that the same Palestine "government" that refuses to acknowledge Israel's right to exist and initiates multiple conflicts like this through acts of terrorism like launching rockets over the boarder are the same ones now begging the UN to be recognized as their own state? And the same ones (again Palestine) who were offered this years ago by the UN, yet refused only to declare war on Israel and lose, are again now begging the UN for this. And the UN now just says, "Ok." And so do most of you guys? Really? This isn't how you earn that privilege. Yes, it is a privilege because it was taken away. I'm all for the Palestine people to find their own state, but only if they can prove they are actual serious about it in peaceful terms, and not as a base of operations to support terror attacks on Israel. Considering they just started yet another conflict with Israel by launching rockets over the boarder, and considering they seem to have a pattern of doing this, I would say they haven't earned the right for their own state. We just can't trust them. I'll acknowledge Palestine as a state when they stop launching Rockets over Israel's border for more than just a few years and actually acknowledge Israel's right to exist.

Good Fate. You are ignorant and misinformed. The initiative came from legitimate PA president backed by the US, The International community and Israel, Mahmoud Abbas which recognized Israel long long time ago. He Declared many times the prime minister of Israel is the legitimate negotiator in the peace process. The West bank is not firing rocket at Israel. However the Israelis never stopped building illegal settlement right in their faces and segregated them right from inside the West Bank. The own Abbas was born in Galilee and grew up in a refugee camp. So they are tired since all Israel wants is the status quo. For Israel it is comfortable since they are powerful and more advanced and they keep the way it is and hope that little by little take all of their land so it will become impossible the creation of a Palestinian State. By the way. Doesn't Israel already exist or not? So why whining that some group don't recognize them? Just because Hamas say so. They are so sensitive they take this as the Truth?

If Hamas is enemy No. 1, Fatah is enemy No. 2 of all infidels including Israel.

"the United States and Israel to punish the Palestinian Authority by withholding funds for the West Bank government."

The smartest move would be to stop all economic or any other aid to these people.

You can't have friendship with enemies for long!

Ummm... Nilo-NYC,

Who was it who launched rockets over the boarder first this time? And the time before that? As in who initiated this debacle multiple times with rocket fire? I'll give you a hint: Not Israel. You are the misinformed one. Yet again, Palestine started this by firing rockets over the boarder.

Heck, pretty much all the conflicts have been started by radical terrorists, trying to hide their intentions behind a facade of the Palistine cause, being involved in some strike against Israel that start these conflicts. This included the two wars they fought and helped started against Israel, which Palestine lost both times. After the second war (which they joined up with other countries in the region to attack Israel on their holy day which is a big deal btw), Palestine had no land left because they had lost two wars. After some time passed, Israel then purposely decided to devote the Gaza strip (over simplifying for time and simplicity here) to the Palestinians in the name of trying for a more peaceful solution to the problem. And in return, Palistine launches rockets over the boarder every so often. So it is only natural that Israel would need to defend themselves. Too bad they take so much flack for it. If it were the USA and someone was launching rockets over the boarder, we would be invading them within a day and no one would or could hold us back. But Israel can't seem to be allowed do that. Again, they were attacked first by people who continue to deny their right to exist. I don't see why everyone is so opposed they defend themselves.

Btw, it is extremely important that the people in charge Palestine acknowledge the right of Israel to exist. Because so far, everything they have done shows they still want to eradicate the Israelis. That is what these extremists do, they denounce Israel's right to exist, as in wanting to wipe them out. That's why they repeatedly launch rockets over the boarder, and why they attacked Israel in those two wars in the first place! And all the while they deny Israel's right to exist, they complain about how they don't have a country and how they have been wronged or some BS like that. MAYBE IF THEY FOCUSED ON PEACE WITH ISRAEL INSTEAD OF TERRORISM AGAINST ISRAEL, THEY WOULD DESERVE A COUNTRY TO "EXIST" IN PEACEFULLY IN THEIR OWN RIGHT. Instead, they initiate these conflicts by repeatedly launch rockets over the boarder, and continue to be a terrorist run state. So yes, it is important that they acknowledge Israel's right to exist, because sadly that in of itself would be a major improvement.

Meanwhile, war crimes go unpunished if you happen to be Israel.

That would be the fogel family massacre?

Israel is not a signatory of the ICC agreement, so I'm not sure if that's even possible. Interestingly, Palestine "tried" to become a member and was refused access because of its international status.

Idiot, Hamas was started by the Israeli Mossad to go against Arafat and the PLO. So does this mean the Israeli Mossad will be in front of the ICC for this? Just a thought. Viva La Palestine. See you at the Hague Netanyhoo.

Hamas came from Damascus, Syria. There are several other terrorist groups in Gaza. Salafist and other Jihadists. All very bad. 99.3% Muslim with no other religion allowed. From those nice videos provided by someone earlier we can see its no open air Prison as Hamas's Fox News type oranization lies. All propoganda and conspiracy fantasies to get sympathy and backing. It will be a nest for terrorist groups now, but in about 2 years its supposed to run out of water completely. Then what?

These Islamic religious people don't recognize anything other than hating and killing after their jobs are done!

So what are the big words, resolutions etc about?

These UN and all big sounding organizations danced as Sunni Saudis and co, oil companies and their lobbyists danced with their money before Iraqi wars.

They are doing similar dances in Syria and Iran. What we have to do with Shiites vs Sunnis battles on whose Allah is greater?

When non-Muslims are affected by massive genocides by Muslims as in Darfur, Sudan, Nigeria, Pakistan, Bangladesh and other places, you don't see the greedy money beasts of UN and its agencies, human rights organizations, ICC, and others.

How many Muslim mass killers have been punished by ICC or anybody?

HELL WITH UN AND ALL ITS AGENCIES! NOTHING TO PALESTINIAN HATERS AND KILLERS.

May be they deserve Islamic slot hoods in the Gaza tunnels!!!!

jonathon. this kind of propaganda doesn't work anymore. the fact that palestinian won the bit with a whopping 138 to 9 votes shows that the isreali propaganda is not working any more and day after day they are losing international support and sympathy.

rameshm2: Your craps of voting in UN will not work any more! Those who can't stand properly can all vote as they like!

When Israel was formed there was not much support and it is not going to have much support in future either!

Only people like you can care all the UN and its agencies votes!

On Iraqi wars, Syria and Iran UN and agencies have been voting as many times as the Sunni Saudi, oil companies and their lobbyists' money danced.

UN and agencies votings, resolutions and others are fit for House of Saud toilets and harems!

@Moshe: It's amazing how people simply forget that the UN is responsible for the partitioning and eventual dissolution of Palestine, in favor of giving Israeli's a Sate of their own. I'm not saying they don't have a right to exist (far from it, in fact), but I really don't think this whole situation was handled well by the UN, from start to finish.

but I really don't think this whole situation was handled well by the UN, from start to finish.

......... and I don't see how this can end in ANY WAY but badly for us. A two state settlement is going to create a huge fiasco for the Middle East; as if we needed another migraine to deal with.

@Hotticket: Quite honestly, I really only care about Israel and Palestinian's co-existing. Our Governments, the League of Nations and the UN decided to get involved by partitioning up an already occupied territory, as such, we deserve whatever repercussions there are. Beyond peace between those two countries, I certainly hope that the UN, US, and Europe have learned we have absolutely no business, attempting to tell people where they should and should not be allowed to live.

It doesn't matter how it was handled in the past, it only matters how things are now. Fact: Palistine wants to see all of Israel destroyed. Fact: Palistine is a terrorist state. Fact: Isreal can destroy Palistine anytime they want. BIG FACT: Isreal does NOT destoy Palistine because the US and UN won't allow them to. EVEN BIGGER FACT: Once Isreal has had enough of Palistine killing their people, they will take Palistine out of the equation... and last fact, I won't lose any sleep of it if they did...

B. Murphy - just further evidence that americans don't know their own history. WE created the conflict in the middle east. Shame on hilary clinton for wanting to continue palestinian oppression when we created it in the first place.

I never know how long it is going to take somebody to say that everything in the world that is wrong is the fault of the United States. Really? There have been fighting in the Middle East during the Ishmael and Issac days. All the land in dispute was promised to the Israelites. If you do not like it, I suggest taking it up with God.

Ishmael is going to have his kingdom whether people like it or not. As for the state of Israel, well that's not Israel "formally called Jacob". The state of Israel has become a den of thieves, hypocrites, seculars, etc, and they think they are going to build a third temple "which anyways is not written anywhere in the bible" so that they and the gentiles can trample and defile it?

Ishmael is dead and that's a story from an old story book; politics is for the living and the solution to the PA/Israel conflict will be made when people set their religious dogma aside and go into a negotiating room without pretending some god or prophet gives them a right to take the life, liberty or peaceful pursuit of happiness from another people. Until people check their worthless dogma, the world in general will have wars and the more devout you are, the more willing you are to kill a fellow human in the name of some flying spaghetti monster (space-god with an all powerful and all seeing eye sounds just as stupid). Sad, since religion is supposed to help societies, that so many psychos use it to justify, even encourage, mayhem, murder and evil. The evil guys are you; you just need a mirror to see the devil

@HOTTICKET-2304234

....... and I don't see how this can end in ANY WAY but badly for us. A two state settlement is going to create a huge fiasco for the Middle East; as if we needed another migraine to deal with.

Maybe you should consider your "fiasco" involves a few million of humans in population? Another migraine? Not in our country? LMFAO!

Ishmael is dead and that's a story from an old story book..........................

You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion.

Sad, since religion is supposed to help societies, that so many psychos use it to justify, even encourage, mayhem, murder and evil. The evil guys are you; you just need a mirror to see the devil

Sociopathic/psychopaths do not believe in god. They are atheist actually. The only god "their religion" that they have is themselves. BTW, a trait of a sociopath is to MIRROR their own beliefs and actions on others.

Maybe you should consider your "fiasco" involves a few million of humans in population? Another migraine? Not in our country? LMFAO!

Problem with THAT shortsightedness, lilirocks, is that we don't live in a vacuum and that this will bite us in the a$$ down the road. There will NEVER be peace there in ten billion years. I was merely pointing out to Murphy that at best, this deal will buy maybe a couple of months of cease fire time (at the MOST) and at worst will result in an Israeli invasion and ensuing war that we'll be drawn into. The latter will happen if Obama isn't REALLY careful here.
So YA, - *eyes roll* I'd say that would be a nice little low grade migraine that Obama and future Presidents will have to deal with down the road.

None of this would be happening if the Arabs had accepted the original partition in 1948. In fact, they'd have more land and be better off than now. But they weren't interested in 2 states. They fought war after war with the hopes of wiping Israel off the map. Now that they can't achieve that, they suddenly believe in 2 states. Yeah, right. This is only the first step in the Arab grand plan. It's sad that the world is too lazy to care and that so many people are so ignorant as to history.

Completely agreed.

At minimum the United States should have abstained.

rdmrdm... I disagree.

"At midnight on May 14, 1948, the Provisional Government of Israel proclaimed a new State of Israel. On that same date, the United States, in the person of President Truman, recognized the provisional Jewish government as de facto authority of the Jewish state (de jure recognition was extended on January 31, 1949)."

http://www.archives.gov/education/lessons/us-israel/

rdmrdm, in 1948, the political situation was stacked where Jewish colonialists were bombing British soldiers and hotels and attacking Arabs. There was many reasons for the conflict to take place, but you seem to think it was only the Arabs at fault, and not the Jewish settlers who massacred the Arab inhabitants and forced tens of thousands off their lands.

@Sadden American: You realize that Israeli's were bombing and murdering at-will prior to the creation of a Jewish State post-WW2, right? You look back into any countries history and there's likely to be enough blood to fill an ocean.

Oh, you're a birther, nevermind, it explains allot about you.

Sadden doesn't know the difference between the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

Both are called 'Palestinian' but they're each controlled by completely different groups.

Hamas = Gaza

Palistinian Authority (PA) = West Bank.

We're talking about PA/West Bank here.

@ Sadden American 2012...

terrorism

1.the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

2.the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.

According to this definition the United States is the biggest terrorist organization in the world. Our motto is to terrorize the weak into submission then westernize them into nice, little Christian clones. The regime of Saddam Hussein was nothing compared to what we have going on in the United States. Our government wants Americans to hate the world in order to validate their endless massacres. Where does peace began? With respect, dignity, honor, and kindness.

DeborahRY:

I think the lack of support for a Palestinian state is a political move on the part of America since it complicates DRASTICALLY the road to peace for many, many different reasons. Therefore, calling us terrorists for opposing the vote is simplistic at best, treason at worst. The historical oppsition to peace has been on the Palestinian side due to texts that will not change, and people who will not (historically) interpret them in a way that allows peace. 'Motivating' Palestinians to acknowledge the rights of other peoples to exist (as surely as they have the right) has always required (historically, which is the only way to gauge peoples' actions, by their history) stronger forms of motivation within the realms of things that they, the Palestinians themselves use as 'motivation' to other people whom they have 'dealt' with similarly. This unfortunately is how tensions ratchet up but conversely, the alternative is how one side begins to be seen as weaker, and therefore inviting attack, from the supporters of the side using the questionable 'motivation' tactics. Fire is faught with fire, so to speak. It's a hell of a lot more complicated than dictionary definitions and rhetoric. If you wish to comment effectively perhaps you should do some reading outside the strict rules of the dictionary, political rules are MUCH more complicated especially since an arabic dictionary has different interpretations of the same words you read in Webster's.

....continued....unfortunately Israel's actions pecently towards Palestine has, understandably, created alot of sympathy for the people of Palestine and what they've been suffering at the hands of IDF, considering the lack of news coverage worldwide of rockets being fired against Israel and the lack of understanding of the different factions taking such actions....this is why the world should have supported the efforts of Jimmy Carter to broker peace back in the 70s: it's a much more difficult road now.

So does this mean the next time they launch a missile at Israel, Israel can now declare war? Looks like a win, win to me. Should have a war in about a day.

Recently, *oops

"Why should the Arabs make peace? If I were an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been antisemitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that? They may perhaps forget in one or two generations' time, but for the moment there is no chance." David Ben-Gurion, first prime minister of Israel

"For eight years now, they have sat in the refugee camps of Gaza and have watched how, before their very eyes, we have turned their lands and villages, where they and their forefathers previously dwelled, into our home." General Moshe Dayan, Israeli military hero - 1956

Get a clue Theo, they sat in refugee camps for 64 years and over-bred like Arabbits because they refused their own UN statehood in 1948. They are their own worst enemies.

Refugee Camps? Open air Prisons? Go back to the posts by Chefaz who shows videos of Gaza. Then try to continue the lie about camps & prisons. Hamas lies like Fox News.

* Questionable, Unverified Source: Clifford claims that Ben-Gurion wrote: "If I were an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That it natural, we have taken their country." In fact, according to Nahum Goldmann, Ben-Gurion allegedly said this to him. Goldmann was an adversary of Ben-Gurion, and he came out with this alleged quote, verbatim, in his book published two decades later (The Jewish Paradox, 1978), five years after Ben-Gurion died. There was no recording of the quote, and Ben-Gurion was no longer around to dispute it.

http://blog.camera.org/archives/2012/08/distorted_quotes_to_defend_dis.html

And, finally, here's a real Ben-Gurion quote that Clifford chose not to share:

In our state there will be non-Jews as well — and all of them will be equal citizens; equal in everything without any exception; that is: the state will be their state as well. ...The attitude of the Jewish State to its Arab citizens will be an important factor—though not the only one—in building good neighbourly relations with the Arab States. If the Arab citizen will feel at home in our state, and if his status will not be the least different from that of the Jew, and perhaps better than the status of the Arab in an Arab state, and if the state will help him in a truthful and dedicated way to reach the economic, social, and cultural level of the Jewish community, then Arab distrust will accordingly subside and a bridge to a Semitic, Jewish-Arab alliance, will be built... (Ba-Ma'Araha Vol IV, Part 2, pp. 260, 265, quoted in Fabricating Israeli History, Efraim Karsh, p.67)"

Nice try but no bananas Theo.

I have a few incidents listed for you. Would you consider these to be the actions of a "terrorist state"?

1. Hotel bombing. 91 people killed, about 50 injured.

2. Assassination of a secretary of state.

3. Blowing up an embassy.

So, what do you think?

These, and many more, were ALL actions taken against the British near the end of and after WWII by Zionists, yet the UN recognized Israel. I do believe that's known as an "inconvenient truth".

I think the recogition of a Palestinian state would LESSEN teorrorist attacks, not increase them.

BTW: The incidents were (1) King David Hotel July 22, 1946; (2) British Secretary of State Lloyd Moyne, Nov. 6, 1944; (3) British Embassy in Rome, Oct. 31, 1946.

@Beth: Don't forget the destruction of the USS Liberty, and the sailors who were completely forsaken by their own government, in order to sweep an act of war under the rug.

Yeah, nice job dumbass, I mean Beth... let's bring up things that happened half a centry to excues the murders of today...

Why not cite how the Egyptians killed millons of Jews in the time of Moses to get a good reason to destroy Egypt today?

Beth, that bombed hotel was being used as British Army headquarters at the time...although I suspect you already knew that. The Israelis called in a warning, no doubt at the advice of their mentors in the IRA.

Sadam, does it hurt to be so stupid?

Yeah, nice job dumbass, I mean Beth... let's bring up things that happened half a centry to excues the murders of today.

Nice job in name calling. Resorting to it pretty much makes you lose credibility on anything you might have to say. And, btw, where did I say any of that EXCUSED murders today? Please point that out. I simply noted the precedence in recognizing a "terrorist" state. I note that you don't deny that the incidents I pointed out were terrorism.

that bombed hotel was being used as British Army headquarters at the time.

It was still an attack.

To Newsvine: Hopefully you're deleting "Saddan" for violations of the COH?

Anyone remember 1991 when Saddam from Iraq sent missels into Israel?

Sadden American 2012

Why not cite how the Egyptians killed millons of Jews in the time of Moses to get a good reason to destroy Egypt today?

If you want to site the Bible ( which is not a great idea to begin with) By what means did the Israelites take the land they came to occupy after leaving Egypt? What did they do at Jericho?

Julea: That was Iraq...

BMurphy (#6.2):

Grasping at straws? It’s amazing that Jew haters consistently turn to the Liberty whenever they have little or nothing to say to further their misguided arguments. The reason that the Liberty was an accident rather
than a deliberate attack was motive. What would the Israelis have gained by purposely attacking an ally that was instrumental in liberating the Jews during WWII and relatively soon after the war ended? The Liberty, though decidedly tragic, pales in comparison, and is a drop in the ocean relative to the number of American lives and the lives of other nationals that the Muslim murderers have taken since then. Your argument is, therefore, ridiculous. Blind hatred has taken over reason.

@ Basil Romeo: Grasping at straws? Maybe you should look up the FACTS regarding the Liberty. The attack occurred over a span of 2 hours, the entire time the sailors were pleading with the Israeli's to stop. The Israeli's had also identified them previously in the day. Your blind devotion to a group of people who are 'without sin' is laughable.

I don't hate Jews, I simply despise how the world community created Israel at the detriment to indigenous people already living on that land, to make up for a War that the Middle East didn't start. It's funny though, that you lack any kind of argument that my opposition to this equals hatred of Jews. Grow up. Learn how to debate.

Christians and Catholics have been responsible for more murder in my family history, than any Muslim. I also have the ability to know that not everyone is the same, and that some people who believe certain things, are simply good people, and don't deserve to be lumped in with all the rest of the bad apples. Which is why I'm not calling for Israel to be destroyed, or Israeli's killed. Israel allowed themselves to get into this mess...they should've seen a very very long and protracted war that would exist for generations when they accepted a carved out niche of land, that belonged to someone else for hundreds, if not thousands of years.

"Some violent factions"....were you referring to Urgun or Haganagh?

I'm referring to any faction who's lobbed missiles into Israel, knowing full well that the efficacy of their armaments amounts to a mosquito biting a rhino, and that the response from Israel would be 100x more damaging in both infrastructure and lives lost.

I fail to see the terriorist/violence difference on both sides.

Murphy - The UN DID give palestinians their own state, in 1947, they rejected it. They wanted the entire Israel. I don't believe that goal has changed. This vote has just given a symbolic recognition to the palestinians and will not help them in any way unless they sit down and have direct talk with the Israelis without the goal of wiping them off the map.

I fail to see the terriorist/violence difference on both sides.

@Farideh: Ahh yes, the UN gave Palestinian's their own state....made up of miniscule part of land that they had already been living on for centuries. I'm sorry but that's simply unacceptable, and was never a responsibility or a right, of the UN. If any outside entity came in and attempted to carve up my home like the UN did, I'd be just as pissed off as the Palestinian's.

I'm not saying that Israeli's don't deserve a place to live, but given this was a result of WW2. Why wasn't Germany carved up? Or Italy? Or Japan? Why were none of the axis countries part of this 'new deal'.

No kidding Palestinian's rejected the UN offer of a Palestinian State, I would've too.

@ Merr44: There is no difference, none at all.

What you fail to understand B Murphy (strange name for a muslim), but had not the UN brokered that deal, Israel would have wiped Palistine off the face of the planet (would have saved a lot of issues). Palistine has never been one to nagotiate... with them, like most muslims, it's all or nothing.

They're uneducated, un-apoplgetic, un-sympathetic, and unwilling to nagotiate.

Why are you all so pro-terrorist?

The Palestinian Authority have not been engaged in conflict wiht Israel for a long time. They don't fire rockets at Israeli towns. They just want to live their lives in peace. Do you know what they get in exchange? More settlement in West Bank with fanatic settlers that came from Europe. Needless to say Israel make the life of the Palestinian in WB miserable. Of course the moment they react to this policy of Provocation by Israel they will be accused of being terrorists and wanting to destroy Israel.

Why is this so important to you Murphy?

@ Rex: I feel a great injustice was done by the world community to the Palestinian's, and that it was supported by my own country drives home that injustice even more. I do not feel that the UN, or League of Nations had ANY right to carve up Palestine, and that such an agreement should've been made by those countries in the immediate area, and no country not in the Middle East should have had ANY say whatsoever. If this was about reparations for WW2, it should've been Germany, Italy and Japan giving up parts of their territory.

I feel that the US gives Israel carte blanche to do whatever they want, whenever they want, without ever being held to standards of warfare that even the US adhere to, and I feel that this continuous blind support only puts our troops in further danger. This point is proven more by the cover-up of the USS Liberty. Where the US knowingly turned it's back on it's own troops, to give Israel a free pass on war crimes.

I will say, however, that I don't agree with much of what the violent factions on the Palestinian side do, however, I also don't know what else it is they're supposed to do? Just sit back and be ok with the rest of the world just straight up giving them the finger? I know of no people on Earth, who would've been ok with being treated in the same fashion. I wish, truly wish Palestinian's could find a more constructive way of moving forward, but I'm not them, and I don't live there.

How would England react if the UN straight up said every English person had to leave all of Ireland? Or how would the US react if the UN mandated that every non-Native American has to leave US soil, or cram into a tiny area of the US and give the rest of it to the Native American's? How would most of Europe feel if the UN redrew boundaries according to the height of the Roman Empire? Or the Persian Empire?

The list goes on and on.

@Sadden

You're calling Muslims uneducated? Do you actually read what you post? Seriously just stop, you have nothing to add. Use what little intelligence you have and do something productive, like finger painting.

"Why should the Arabs make peace? If I were an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been antisemitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that? They may perhaps forget in one or two generations' time, but for the moment there is no chance." David Ben-Gurion, first prime minister of Israel

"For eight years now, they have sat in the refugee camps of Gaza and have watched how, before their very eyes, we have turned their lands and villages, where they and their forefathers previously dwelled, into our home." General Moshe Dayan, Israeli military hero - 1956

"The Jews are the most despicable and contemptible nation to crawl upon the face of the Earth, because they have displayed hostility to Allah.

"Allah will kill the Jews in the hell of the world to come, just like they killed the believers in the hell of this world.

"The Jews kill anyone who believes in Allah. They do not want to see any peace whatsoever on Earth."

(Sermon delivered by 'Atallah Abu Al-Subh, former Hamas minister of culture, which aired on Al-Aqsa TV, April 8, 2011, translation by MEMRI).

“We cannot agree to a programme that is intended to poison the minds of our children…Holocaust studies in refugee camps is a contemptible plot and serves the Zionist entity with a goal of creating a reality and telling stories in order to justify acts of slaughter against the Palestinian people."

(Statement from Hamas Ministry of Refugee Affairs on U.N. Relief and Works Agency plan to include Holocaust education in the curriculum taught Palestinian refugees, February 28, 2011)

"Our plan for this stage is to liberate any inch of Palestinian land, and to establish a state on it. Our ultimate plan is [to have] Palestine in its entirety. I say this loud and clear so that nobody will accuse me of employing political tactics. We will not recognize the Israeli enemy. "

(Hamas leader Mahmoud Al-Zahhar, Future News TV, June 15, 2010, Source: MEMRI.org)

Not "one or the other" But the palestinians EVERY TIME/

Hamas doesn't control the West Bank.

But they have plenty of influence there, so West Bank has to be treated as an area of Hamas activity until Fatah has proper control there, if that ever happens.

That's true Ron, the Palestinians commit enough sins and violence of their own.

Rex, Did you know that Hamas was started by the Israeli Mossad to go against Arafat and the PLO? Did you know that when it became a British mandate that Britain sent a diplomat who saved thousands of Jewish lives from extermination in Germany to bring peace between the Jews and Arabs? His name was Bernadotte and the zionist executed him 2 weeks after he got there. WHO'S THE REAL TERRORIST?

Who is the real terrorists? Let's see, who was dragging a corpse around the streets last week?

As for Bernadotte, he was working on a project that would destroy Israel by flooding it with Arabs, you will have to accept that Jews stopped putting their heads on the chopping block ever since WWII.

How would you "denounce" an entity that is crutial to running a country? Would be like the US denouncing the democratic party (although that might be a good idea...).

Bottom line: Israel can detroy Palistine when they want... it's the US that's keeping them in check. Once they figure out that obama is more on Palistine's side than that of peace, they'll wipe Palistine off the face of the planet.

"But perhaps it will also force the Palestinian government to act and denounce Hamas, and to work for a united Palestinian Territory; that lives with in peace with Israel."

Ummm...in Gaza the "Palestinian government" that you speak of IS Hamas. How likely is that government to "act and denounce Hamas"? The Palestinian Authority (or the Fatah faction) runs The West Bank.

Statehood for the Palestinians could be a good thing in terms of negotiations moving forward IF Palestinian leaders are really committed to a peaceful, two state solution.

But up until now, Palestinian leaders have rarely even acknowledged Isreal's right to exist. So I don't hold out much hope that much will change from them going forward. I hope they understand that they just bit off a lot more responsibility in terms of acting like a legitimate country/nation/state.

Statehood can complicate things diplomatically. When a country/state is established and recognized it is held to a much higher standard. No longer can the Palestinian leadership simply dismiss hundreds of rocket attacks as the work of uncontrollable militants from their territories. If they are leaders of a nation, they become much more responsible for policing overt acts of war from native militant groups against another neighboring, sovereign state.

Regardless of the history here, because it is long and complicated with dozens of examples of outrageous bloodthirsty acts on both sides, what is true going forward now is that if there are two, sovereign nations, then they both have rights as nations and they both must act like nations.

If one of them attacks the other by shooting missiles or rockets at the other, then they must accept the consequence of war being enevitable. That would make trying to work out peaceful solutions impossible.

If the nation of Georgia shoots rockets into Russia, they must be ready to accept that war will be the outcome. If Bolivian militants routinely start shooting rockets into Paraguay, how long will Paraguay tolerate it?

So kudos to the Palestinians for getting recognized as a nation by the U.N. Now the question has to be, what are you going to do now?

Sadden American 2012

Tin hat is getting tight again.

I agree Ruger. Abbas has done nothing but support peace. The bigots on this website have not walk the walk. Until you live under the house of Israel, like we do in the United States and Palestine.

This has nothing to do about Israel or Palestine. It has everything to do with GREED!!!! Power and Greed is the only thing Israel understand The USA gives 8 billion to a country who average wage earner makes $56.00 an hour! Now, who is the sucker! Why did Hitler expel the Jews in Germany. The monopolize the business community like they do to Palestine.

History tells us that Palestine did not start the war. But are the ones who suffer! What did Jordan, Egypt and Syria give up for starting this war,,,, nothing!

I agree with the WTF are we doing supporting them and then throwing them under a bus. Because in order to win votes, we have to pay-off the Jews who launder money and diamonds into this country!

Peace my friends.

Uh, Hitler didnt expel the Jews. He killed them in concentration camps. He also went all over Europe exterminating every Jew he could find. Are you some kind of anti Semitic hitler fan or what?

And gays. And gypsies. And JW's. Did they monopolize businesses, too?

Very true Ruger, Palestine has already recognized Israel as a state but now Israel wants them to recognize them as a Jewish state so they have no right of return, and they can kick out every Israeli Arab.

There was never any plan in Israel for kicking out Israeli Arabs. All the Arabs who live in Israel have equal rights, and they are represented in Knesset.

However, right of return would mean giving followers of Hamas majority, so they could seize power and start a second Holocaust.

Excuse Jews for not being suicidal.

Bill,

With benefits go responsibilities. You can't go to war with an occupied territory. You can kill them, you can isolate them but you can't really "go to war" with them. Now you can.

One side says they want to wipe Israel off the map, the other says "Palestinians, who are they? they don't exist" A perfect situation for a peace aggrement.

"The Useless Nation needs to go.

The Palestine's have stated that they will wipe Israel off the map; this is just the kind of "state" we need in this world.

Good job again UN."

Your saying that the Palestinaians will try to wipe Israel off the map....the Israelis are trying to wipe off the map right now!!

Actually qqqqq or whatever you are:

I'm not saying the Palestinians will try to wipe Israel off the map; they did.

Try reading comprehension 101 or maybe it should be reading comp 99 or maybe even pre-school.

Anyhow, they said it, not I.

With your demonstrated skills I'm sure you too could be an UN ambassador. Folks like you are just what we need in the world.

Bill Israel have been doing a great job exterminating the palestinian people and stealing their land. Why does it matter what palestinian say now?? palestinians have been saying for decades that israelis are killing them and no one cares but when come to israel we should care right? Israel is the only country in the region with weapons of mass destruction and the only one to fear. Palestinian will wipe off israel from the map? how? with their sling i guess.

It's about time!!

Bill can you tell me where you got this information or is it just something you've heard?

"The Jews are the most despicable and contemptible nation to crawl upon the face of the Earth, because they have displayed hostility to Allah.

"Allah will kill the Jews in the hell of the world to come, just like they killed the believers in the hell of this world.

"The Jews kill anyone who believes in Allah. They do not want to see any peace whatsoever on Earth."

(Sermon delivered by 'Atallah Abu Al-Subh, former Hamas minister of culture, which aired on Al-Aqsa TV, April 8, 2011, translation by MEMRI).

“We cannot agree to a programme that is intended to poison the minds of our children…Holocaust studies in refugee camps is a contemptible plot and serves the Zionist entity with a goal of creating a reality and telling stories in order to justify acts of slaughter against the Palestinian people."

(Statement from Hamas Ministry of Refugee Affairs on U.N. Relief and Works Agency plan to include Holocaust education in the curriculum taught Palestinian refugees, February 28, 2011)

"Our plan for this stage is to liberate any inch of Palestinian land, and to establish a state on it. Our ultimate plan is [to have] Palestine in its entirety. I say this loud and clear so that nobody will accuse me of employing political tactics. We will not recognize the Israeli enemy. "

(Hamas leader Mahmoud Al-Zahhar, Future News TV, June 15, 2010, Source: MEMRI.org)

Can't wait to see Netanyhoo at the Hague. Ya Hoo

Too bad you will have to wait for all eternity.

You know, at some point Israel has to deal with Palestine. Either deal with them toward a 2 state solution or kill every man, woman and child of them. The occupation has to end one way or the other. Whether it's a UN intervention like the one that created Israel, a Palestinian/Israeli agreement or wholesale genocide; a solution needs to be found.

@ Astyanax... I what it really says is that both sides have to come to the other as an equal now. Israel now has to go to the U.N. before launching "preemptive" strikes and Palestine must rein in Hamas if it wants to be taken seriously.

Astyanax, was that game good?

vx371842965

The "palestineans" are Jordanians, they have no claim to the Holy Land.

Genetic analysis suggests that a majority of the Muslims of Palestine, inclusive of Arab citizens of Israel, are descendants of Christians, Jews and other earlier inhabitants of the southern Levant whose core reaches back to prehistoric times. A study of high-resolution haplotypes demonstrated that a substantial portion of Y chromosomes of Israeli Jews (70%) and of Palestinian Muslim Arabs (82%) belonged to the same chromosome pool.

You appear to be mistaken.

Oh grow up. Quit believing in false myths.

Sulayman- don't recognize snarkiness very well eh?

Fox Newser

The UN can rot in hell alongside Hamas. This kangaroo court is pathetic and the US needs to leave. Up next, UN sanctioned gun control in the US. Obama and his leftist gang of thugs can take a hike with them as well. It is amazing the speed at which this country and now the world has gone to SH*T.

Do you also have a big red nose and entertain children? Do you actually know what the UN gun control treaty, which has not been approved by the US, is actually about? Of course you don't. You rely on FOX News. Are you familiar with nuclear non-proliferation? It's an agreement among UN member states to prevent the export of nuclear weapons material and technology to non-nuclear nations. the arms control agreement (what you call gun control) is essentially the same thing. It prevents nations from making a fortune off of 3rd world nations wars.

Hey Ol-Doc, don't expect an answer from him anytime soon. He has to check back with fox news to find out what to say next. It must suck to be stupid.

"The UN General Assembly does not have the power or the authority to establish states. Any such General Assembly resolution upgrading the Palestinian delegation would be no different from any other non-binding, recommendatory resolution of the General Assembly, and would have no legally binding status." -- Alan Baker

Fox Newser, Obama is President and he hates Israel and Netanyhoo so eat your heart out. It's to bad you little baby you didn't get your way. Israel is going down. Can't wait for the articles about Israel found guilty at the Hague.

Obama has been repeating in every speech that USA is still an ally to Israel and always will be.

This recognition will change absolutely nothing. UN has been a meaningless circus for ages.

Would you have a higher opinion of the Palestinians if they conducted a mass suicide attack against Israel to obtain their independence? Certainly to simply lay down and capitulate would produce a welfare state. Or is your comment out of some strange right-wing frustration...you know, UN black helicopters, etc.

We don't hate them. We just like looking at CNN clips of smart weapons blowing their a$$es to Allah. What's so wrong about your statement is Blacks and Hispanics were in the Twin Towers along with Whites. We may disagree on political issues but when you screw with one of us you screw with all of us. Someday a real leader will sit in the White House and put an end to all this nonsense once and for all.

How does the US hate Muslims? A bunch of Blacks, Hispanics, college kids, single women and poor, lazy welfare sucking dolts just elected a Muslim loving president again.

....that's funny, because blacks, hispanics and muslims have never done better than when they came to the United States.....ask them where else they would go.......

Try the Republic of Kongo. That is what our fearless leader is trying to turn our country into now. Just look at Detroit. All were missing in the background is people carrying AK47's.

smitty is a Muslim hater of America and a lier.

However, it is true that the American values are not compatible with the Muslim racism. The Muslim jihad, i.e., a war for the extermination of all non-Muslims, including blacks, hispanics, and whites, should be defeated by America and her friends.

I know Ivan, why do the Muslims insist on being so hated. Wicked self loathing despots. And I backed Palestine as they are people despite their abhorance of others and themselves.

With good reason.

We don't hate muslims, just the cult of Islam.

Larue, Have you ever read the babylonian talmud?

yeah suc my dic

they should have a VOTE DOWN for your post.

This actionis are ENEXCUSABLE! ....but look at how many countries,that are state sponsored terrorists are heading councils at the U N.

TO include sending observors to watch our last election.

The U N, like the majority of the U S electorate, have miserably lost their way!

Time to stop payments to the U N, Withdraw from membership and forcably close the bulidings in New York! Let them move their headquarters to Havana, Tehran,Bogata, or where ever they want to move their sorry selves to!

THIS IS A ENDORSEMENT of TERRORISM!

they should have a VOTE DOWN for your post.