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Subscribe to RSSAs protesters clashes, President Mohammed Morsi of Egypt announced a referendum on a proposed constitution. NBC's Jim Maceda reports.
News Analysis
TAHRIR SQUARE, CAIRO -- This was the place where the revolution began: the roundish square where Egyptians celebrated Mubarak's fall.
This is where they are shouting on bullhorns again, outraged because they say the Muslim Brotherhood has stolen the revolution and is railroading though a constitution that could lock in Muslim Brotherhood rule for 50 years, bringing more Islamic law. They cry -- not against Islam -- but that an extremist interpretation is being forced down their throats by a president who critics say is acting every part the tyrant.
This is also a warning, they claim, of what may happen across the Middle East. The era of the Muslim Brotherhood appears to have arrived. President Obama has hailed the Brotherhood's President Mohammed Morsi as a pragmatist who helped end the Gaza crisis. Egyptians here think the Brotherhood has conned Washington, just like it conned them.
Christians, liberals left out as Islamists back Egypt's draft constitution
"President Obama is supporting a terrorist," a man told me amid chants of "Leave! Leave!" in Tahrir Square and "Down, down with the rule of the Muslim Brotherhood's spiritual leader." Before, it was "Down, down with Mubarak."
Morsi's decree divides Egypt
Egypt was torn in half just over a week ago when Morsi made himself more powerful than Mubarak ever was, and the kings before him. Morsi declared himself above judicial oversight, his decisions final and unassailable. He made himself, according to critics, a new pharaoh on the Nile. Imagine if, after five months in office, an American president announced that he could pass any law he pleased regardless of Congress or the U.S. Supreme Court. Imagine if he said his decisions were final and inspired by God.
After issuing a decree making himself more powerful than the courts, Egyptian president Mohamed Morsi has sparked a wave of anger – some of which is directed toward the United States. NBC's Richard Engel reports.
Morsi last night apologized for the power grab and said he didn't want the extra authorities, but that they were necessary for the good of the people and to safeguard the revolution. Dictators always say stuff like that. Burn down the village to save it.
At first Egyptians were shocked that Morsi would make such an obvious and, according to Egyptian judges, blatantly illegal move. It's clear now, as some analysts have long feared, that the brotherhood is making sure it doesn't lose power again by taking control of Egypt's constitution. The Brotherhood wants to write the rules of the game. Now they've done that too.
PhotoBlog: Dueling demonstrations in Cairo
Protected by the president's new-found supreme and unquestionable powers, Morsi ordered his Islamist allies to finish writing the constitution and get it on his desk by the end of this week. They did it, even though many independent legal experts, Christians and opposition politicians boycotted the drafting process. The Brotherhood called the new constitution "a jewel." Many Egyptians say it leaves too much room for the implementation of Shariah law.
The constitution also empowers the people and government with a duty to uphold moral values, a vague clause that could pave the way for vigilante morality police. The constitution barely mentions protecting women's rights. According to women who were originally involved in the drafting process, and who subsequently left because they felt they were being ignored, clauses specifically demanding that women be protected from violence and sex trafficking were dropped because Islamists feared it would conflict with their desire to allow child brides.
ANALYSIS: Crisis tests Egyptians' constitution
The constitution has long been the Muslim Brotherhood's lodestar and, in the past, they have been willing the kill for it. In 1954, not long after a group of 'free officers' carried out a coup against the British-backed monarchy, a Brotherhood assassin tried to kill President Gamal Abdel Nasser. Nasser, a leading free officer, favored a mostly secular, pro-military constitution. The Brotherhood, an Islamist group that supports the return of Arab and Islamic unity and the revival of ancient Muslim glory and Shariah laws, couldn't accept the new rules.
The Brotherhood's assassination attempt failed. The gunman's eight bullets, fired while Nasser was giving a speech in Alexandria, all missed. The Brotherhood was banned. The group went underground, at times tolerated but more often repressed by Nasser's successors: presidents Mubarak and Anwar el-Sadat. When the revolts started against Mubarak, the Brotherhood saw that fate had given them another chance.
Muslim Brotherhood's calculated rise to power
Looking back now, it all seems so obvious, yet many Egyptians refused to see it coming. In fact, many of the secular revolutionaries backed the Brotherhood, arguing they were better allies than the hated military. The Brotherhood played its cards well.
The Brotherhood was late to join the anti-Mubarak revolts in 2011. When students and liberals initially occupied Tahrir Square, it looked like it might be a passing thing. The Brotherhood either didn't appreciate its significance, or wanted to wait to see who was winning.
I remember watching the Brothers march into the square. They arrived in a large group of perhaps five hundred. Nearly all were men. Many had beards. Most were dressed in poorly cut dark suits. They occupied a corner of Tahrir near a Kentucky Fried Chicken. They came with microphones and wood to build a platform. The other protesters in the square seemed happy to have the support of the new arrivals.
Egypt's Morsi, top judges compromise to defuse soaring tensions over decree
The protests continued to grow. Labor unions went on strike. The military enacted a coup against Mubarak. President Obama withdrew his support for Washington's long-time Arab friend. And Mubarak the president was no more.
The Brotherhood first said it wouldn't seek the new presidency at all. It promised to exist solely as an influential member of civil society. Back then, many Egyptians feared the Brotherhood. It was a semi-secret group. It had a small office in a Cairo apartment building with a sign on the door the size of an index card. Mubarak-era officials had often described the Brotherhood as a group of terrorists. One security official I know called the Brotherhood the most dangerous group in the world. But in the heady 1960s-like days after Mubarak's resignation, the Brotherhood's bad reputation only seemed to give the group more credibility. They'd been oppressed by the man. It was a new day. Everyone, it appeared, deserved a new beginning.
The Brotherhood went to work. It organized its considerable finances. It built a big new headquarters with far bigger signs on the doors. It sent its representatives around the world, especially to Washington, on a charm offensive. We've been oppressed, they claimed. We were slandered by a tyrant. We're not what you've heard. We can unite the Sunni world against Iran. We can help bring Israeli-Palestinian peace. There were many promises of a great future.
Even then, the Brotherhood's focus on the constitution was clear. The Brotherhood insisted the constitution be drafted only after a new president was elected. The military was overseeing a transition back then. The Brotherhood argued that the military couldn't be trusted to oversee the creation of such an important document. Many Egyptians agreed -- a decision some sorely regret today.
NBC's Ayman Mohyeldin discusses the current unrest in Egypt
Morsi won the election by a narrow margin and then five months into his term, made himself a dictator and ordered his Islamist friends to quickly finish the constitution. Morsi has said he'll drop his extraordinary powers as soon as the constitution is approved in a referendum in December. Islamists are convinced they'll be able to use their grassroots network of activists to win the referendum like they won the elections. Western diplomats tend to agree.
Yet the United States has remained mostly silent on all this, urging both sides to stay calm and work it out. Washington's policy seems to be that what's going on is simply democracy in progress as Egyptians learn to use their new rights.
But in Tahrir Square people seem convinced the Brotherhood isn't testing its fledgling wings. They say Morsi knows exactly what he's doing, Washington be warned.
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Richard Engel wrote this article, what more do you need to know?
He is a dual-loyalist, zionist living in Jerusalem, working for a propaganda service (NBC).
What more do you need to know?
I know that you seem paranoid.
Why don’t you post an alternative perspective instead?
I can only hope that the Egyptians will remain in the streets till they
have a constitution acceptable to a "large" (say 3/5ths) majority. I also hope
that we (the US) are providing both public and non-offensive nonpublic support
to improve the chances of further refinement of their (Egypt's) evolution and
that they are better prepared to make rational choices. As a Humanist/atheist, it's
better that religious/all individuals don't feel threatened by the environment
they're in. It makes them less hostile!
and apparently your a supporter of the muslim Brotherhood?
You refuse to get it.
Why you defend propaganda and propagandists is something only you can explain.
America's foreign policy has been disasterous. Or do you "see" something else there in the sand?
Americans have been led into darkness. Unnecessary and illegal wars, giving up our rights to "patriotic" legislation, extra-judicial murder of America citizens, torture and military tribunals. And who has assisted this descent into darkness?
Stephen M. Walt has a useful article: "Why Americans don't understand the Middle East". The central figure in Walt's article? You guessed it -- Richard Engel.
Walt discusses a breathtaking example of hollow, fatuous, inane
reporting. Walt provides a link to a video NBC aired with Richard Engel (you can skip ahead to the 6:00 minute mark to get the core portion, but better yet, listen to the entire thing and hear how grateful the Arabs should be to the US).
http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/09/14/why_americans_dont_understand_the_middle_east
I decided to post the entire Stephen M. Walt article who discusses the author of the "Analysis" we are presently commenting on:
Anyone not agreeing with you people is a Zionist. Zionist any day is 10 times better than Sunni Saudi seventh century Islamic beasts and their supporters.
MB stands for Muslim Blood hounds and anyone supporting them also is Sunni Islamic religious Nazi.
"They cry -- not against Islam -- but that an extremist interpretation is being forced down their throats by a president who critics say is acting every part the tyrant."
Sunni Saudi Salaffi and Wahhabi are most hate preaching and killing version of Islam.
History and humans have not seen such barbaric versions of a religion.
Time has come to eraze them from the face of earth!
Who is/was our Ambassador to Egypt at the time of the ouster of Mubarek? Susan Rice?
Uh...you sir are a meat puppet.
J.P.; those were much better posts than the first two. Thanks
The Egyptian people chose Morsi, we didn't. His brotherhood was never a friend of ours. However, he did help bring a truce between Israel and Hamas, which says that like it or not we are stuck with people like him in that region when we need something done. Best for us to find some type of middle ground.
Pride and Joy, Susan Rice is a perfect example of someone who is book smart, but does not have a clue about how the world really works. I pray the Republicans in Congress can block her nomination. John Kerry would be someone the Republicans could work with and someone the world respects. He is also someone who would not be played as a fool.
Pride, Susan Rice is our Ambassador to the UN.
Barry Hussein Obama touted his Muslim background as an asset for dealing with the Middle East. Both of these people were complicit in the spin perpetrated in Benghazi and have blamed everyone but themselves for the horrible death and mutilation of our Ambassador to Egypt and 3 other Americans! Yet the liberal media continues to ignore the obvious coverup..... no story here folks, move along....
I fixed it for you.
You're welcome.
I do believe they are right on this one. The U.S. is being conned by this guy.
It’s called Taquiya (permissible muslim lying to promote their cause) and Obama bought it hook, line and sinker!
Of course they remain silent…..Obama is ALL FOR IT! Just like he did for Syria….But he didn’t remain silent for Libya or for Israel! He just threw Israel under the bus to a muslim extremist while you all watched!
….and Israel!!
Wow you mean voting in an Islamist group whose stated goals are to Islamitize the world is not working out for you?
Who would of thunk it.lol The only option is to keep him in check until next election. Which goes to the current problem that there are no checks and balances instituted in the government yet, to keep the president in check.
The Egyptians must serve as the lower house, and their chambers are the Tahir square.Their must be a secular institution involved or this will never work. We knew this from the beginning of our country. The Egyptians will learn this the hard way.
Keep your religion, just keep your religion out of politics.
Next time remember DEmocracy not THEocracy.
Dear Egyptians:
You kicked out Mubarek. You elected Morsi. Deal with it!
Next time you might want to consider a united opposition party and not a bunch of small opposing factions.
That would certainly include Barry, Hillary, and Susan... currently the 3 American Stooges of Middle East affairs.... looking back on the 'deal' that avoided a war between Israel and Hezbollah... Morsi was touted as the negotiator in that one... the news conference was delayed so Hillary could get their and share the stage and tout Morsi as a hero! Oops! There's no 'do overs' in Middle Eastern politics guys... the USA can't afford yet another foot in mouth episode!
The amazing thing here is that they sound surprised. They climbed in bed with the brotherhood. What did they expect. Egypt's only chance is to seek help from Israel and the U.S., but I think it's too late. A few years from now Egypt will be another Afghanistan in every way. That's why the U.S. had remained friendly with Mubarak's regime. They knew that devil was better than this one. Now it's done.
@Horrified-411762,
I HAD to sign back in to respond to what you posted about JOHN KERRY:
Oh my goodness! You have selective memory. You are forgetting a little something like an illegal invasion and a decade of war, war, war and occupation (and that sad country is STILL a very, very long way from repair).
John Kerry voted FOR Bush's Authorization To Use Military Force Against Iraq.
Just a little thing. We can afford a few more little mistakes like that (SNARK).
John Kerry? Zionist John Kerry.
i guess people forgot about the leaked reports of torture and assasination in each "arab spring" uprising? those who worked in a government, or religious capacity deemed un-islamic were murdered. unless it now makes it onto youtube, we dont hear about it anymore. When it did make the news before, and still to this day, its dismissed because these people are "heathens who wouldnt know their a$$ from a hole in the ground" when it comes to being peaceful. however betting my life on this, will be willing to say more want real peace, over bloodshed, and fear, just like real people here in the US, (for those who cant differentiate).
sorry to say but anyone backing this new "change" was an idiot, cause even with filtered media, they still couldnt, and still can not block the atrocities these clowns commit, while "we the people (or is it sheeple now?), back the scabs that allow, and supply the very same people who want to do away with freedom and democracy. we saw it plain as day with Egypt, and Tunisia, and now even clearer with Syria... yet lets elect more clowns not just nation wide, but world wide to do away with the most democratic, and longest standing consitution on this planet.
i think the problem is, a lot of people when hit with the real issues, have a hard time comprehending what is going on in the REAL WORLD, and drop that one ounce of trust left on the same person(s), who have been slipping them the shaft in the dark the whole time.
John Kerry? Are you F'ing kidding me?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phqOuEhg9yE
Oh my, It seems like yesterday that Obama & Clinton were embracing the Arab Spring and those "freedom fighters"! What do you expect from those 2 Foreign Affairs gurus? The biggest losers here (besides Hillary & Obama) are the Women & little girls.
But of course, anybody who criticizes Islam is a Zionist Islamophobe!
Richard Engel is clearly frustrated by the hijacking of the revolution. Clearly the Egyptians had the opportunity to create a new vision of progress, but ended up with a gaggle of hardboiled Islamofascists.
Instead of a new culture of scientists working toward solar energy solutions, instead of demogrphers educating on population growth and agricultural balance, instead of focusing on 20th century problems and solutions, we have a mob of restrictive "moral" Imams competing for power in a battle for who is more Islamic.
If Niel Armstrong made a small step for man, and a giant leap for mankind, Egypt has taken a giant leap backwards. What a huge disappointment. One only needs to read Qutb's Muslim brotherhood book 'Milestones' to see the agenda. Egypt is a hijacked plane being flow by a pilot who never trained to land.
100 years ago, Frank Shuman offered a progressive vision for developing Egypt's solar resources. He built the world's first successful solar power plant. Perhaps he is the prophet the Egyptians should be listening to, and not the sword swinging infidel killer warlord that emerged in post-classical antiquity.
At the current super fast pace for control of the world with Sharia laws, seventh century despotic, highly corrupt and immoral, and bigoted seventh century Sunni Saudis and other Sunni Arab League rulers are going to crash sooner than expected.
May be: Allah is going to make their nations clean desert again!
Just like it over here . . . DIVISIVE POLITICS!!
Organize and Polarize . . Organize and Polarize . . it is the New American Way!!!!
@lee;
So Lee you expected Obama and Clinton to deliver these people a choice,and then make it for them?lol
We knew going into this that they might not make the choice we desire(We are not so ignorant) but like a husband or a wife you pick em and you have to deal with them up until and maybe even after seperation. So we sit back and hope for an amicable divorce between the MBH as president and the state.
Obama has earned us the respect of the world now more than ever and Clinton has worked tirelessly for our country for many years, she is ready for well deserved a break.
Remember Lee until you've walked a mile......you know the rest.
You know your right! I forgot 1 guru.......Susan Rice! Until you read more than left-wing, Liberal, & Progressive trash.........I don't believe you just don't know. The 3 gurus would rather have you that way..
@lee, bill;
You obviously do not get it.
You guys are kidding yourselves. I have been following foreign affairs almost daily since 13 and I can tell you they are not doing a bad job. We have respect from most countries once again. Terrorism has been tamped down, Obama is taking out Taliban and Al qeada leaders faster than I can keep up with them. The ME is begging our help to free them from dictators, we delivered even if they make choices we do not agree with.
We are massing thousands of troops to deter Iran from a preemtive strike. Hell even Myanmar is thinking about the road to Democracy.lol Russia and China only flex now and again nothing new there. Obama is beefing up the already powerful forces in the Pacific and concentrating on Asia.
Sounds pretty good to me. I do not see where the stooges come in at, except for the ones only insulting and not backing up what they say.
J.P If you don't like NBCNEWS what are you doing on their web site in the blogs?
Pride and Joy
You are sooooooooooo right!!
"What troubles me so much is the Benghazi attack in many ways echoes the attacks on those embassies in 1998, when Susan Rice was head of the African region for our State Department. In both cases, the ambassadors begged for additional security," Collins told reporters on Wednesday.
Collins added that when she had asked Rice about the attacks and the security at the embassies, Rice responded that she was not directly involved but "would have to refresh her memory” about the events.
In the late 1990s, the U.S. ambassador to Kenya, Prudence Bushnell, repeatedly requested that the State Department take more seriously her concerns about the Nairobi embassy's exposure to possible attack, even sending an emotional plea to Secretary of State Madeleine Albright that the security situation was "endangering the lives of embassy personnel."
Seven months later, twin bombings, later attributed to the nascent al Qaeda, destroyed U.S. facilities in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/29/susan-rice-africa-embassy-bombings_n_2213648.html
Ambassador Prudence Bushnell joined HuffPost Live Monday to share her reaction to the death of Ambassador Christopher Stevens in Libya on September 11th.
Bushnell, who was nearly killed during an embassy attack in Kenya in 1998, said that hearing of the attack in Benghazi "was a horrifying day for me."
"I thought twice I was going to die in the building next door," she told HuffPost Live host Ahmed Shihab-Eldin, adding that she was almost asphyxiated from the smoke.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/19/embassy-attack-reaction_n_2159563.html
U.N. ambassador says U.S. expects Egyptian military to smooth transition to democracy
http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2011/02/un_ambassador_says_us_expects.html
"We've been very clear," Rice said. "We think there needs to be a prompt and orderly transition to democracy...There is no going back on this and to deny that would be in our view at this point inherently destabilizing."
In 2010, U.S. provided more than $1.5 billion in foreign aid, with the vast bulk of that going to the Egyptian military.
Seems Susan needs a lot of refreshing of that memory!
Connect the dots people….connect the dots!!
Finally, headline that makes sense and is true. Finally, an article pointing out that Obama and his administration keep backing the wrong people. They are easily conned. Many of us know this, but they have their blinders on. The new dictator must be laughing so hard know how easy it was to fool the Americans.
I feel so bad for those now living in Egypt that are not fooled and are scared to death. I get it. I feel the same right here in the US. We got conned as well.
@ fedup;
They were granted extra security twice in 2012 , and told not to ask a third time. They asked anyway(I do not blame them) and were denied. Most countries had already vacated their consulates as we were doing We were drawing down in the area because of the deteriorating atmosphere .
Way to leave the truth out.
The rest of your post does not make any sense or a point, not to me anyway.
Everything is going according to Obama's plan. Obama wanted a man like Morsi to lead Egypt even though he will act like he didn't. Baby steps people, baby steps. This is just the beginning. I'm dreading the next four years.
Sadly the American media still have no clue about Obama's intentions nor Morsi's intentions.
Then you have the editor of Time magazine widely smiling while meeting Morsi. Morsi made the cover of Time.
WE HAVE LOST OUR MIND; we have just shipped 150 new Abrams m1a tanks to Egypt, we have just sold them (with a loan from us) 30 new f-16 latest model fighters; we are arming them to the teeth; who is the only enemy they have in the middle east, Israel, who do you think they are going to use these weapons against; we are totally out of our ever loving mind.
or put another way:
Dear Americans:
You kept Obama in office despite the fact he has proven to be an incompentent leader with narcisstic issues! Next time you migh want to consider someone with the ability to handle all aspects of the job, including telling the public the truth, all of the time! It is your fault, deal with it!
Ahhhhhh,
"Government Motors is alive and well, al-Qeada is on the run, and the "Arab Spring Egyptian Protesters" were for Democracy."
Benghazi attack was due to a video, the Devil made me give the guns away during "Fast and Furious", and the National Debt ceiling should be removed.
Can't wait to find out what is next with this administration (military given to U.N. for peace keeping details ?).
Yep, you get what you voted for.
@theboys;
Umm Obama did not pick him the people of Egypt did. Obama must work with their choice, this does not mean he "backs" the MBH.
Those of you who think Obama has some hidden agenda are fooling themselves. lol
please Coral.... nobody thinks that... we all believed him when he promised transparency in his administration, can't blame him if that promise didn't work out and was just another lie! His only agenda now is to skate through the next 4 years and enjoy the ride.... he has absolutely NO agenda regarding the well being of the country, none at all!
Meanwhile.......back in Iran....
http://flashtrafficblog.wordpress.com/2012/12/01/iaea-reveals-new-evidence-iran-is-pursuing-a-50-kiloton-nuclear-bomb-three-times-as-powerful-as-bomb-dropped-on-hiroshima/
IAEA reveals new evidence Iran is pursuing a 50-kiloton nuclear bomb, three times as powerful as bomb dropped on Hiroshima
Yeah Barry, you are doing a BANG UP JOB on Foreign Policy!!
No pun intended!
@FED;
What is your point? How do you blame someone for what another is pursuing? Seriously is your point this is Obamas fault, or that he is doing nothing about it? What?
Well, Taxi, it's really hard to tell because he hasn't done anything of substance for months and months while he campaigned full time. And, he's still at it. While the so called "financial cliff" looms, he went to some factory in the midwest yesterday, telling the employees how smart and capable he is....somebody please tell him he can stop now....he won.
Barry Hussein Obama touted his Muslim background as an asset for dealing with the Middle East. Susan Rice was speaking for him when she asked 5, yes asked 5 Sunday talk shows to explain the Libya Embassy slaughter was caused by a really stupid 15 minute video (not terrorists!)... within days she was caught as a liar! Yet 4 Americans were brutally murdered and their terrorist killers have not been punished!
Both Obama and Rice were complicit in the spin perpetrated in Benghazi and have blamed everyone but themselves for the horrible death and mutilation of our Ambassador to Egypt and 3 other Americans! Yet the liberal media continues to ignore the obvious coverup..... no story here folks, move along....
Oh yes, and a few days ago Hillary quickly flew to the Middle East to praise Morsi for his efforts in brokering a 'peace' between Israel and terrorists! I wonder if she and obama still think Morsi is a cool guy?
(I paraphrased much of SteveH's post from above, that was collapsed... apparently by libbies in denial)
Taxi....are you truly that delusional and blind. Let's see, Obama 'supports' the revolution in Egypt to get rid of Mubarak, who at least was friendly toward the US, honored the ME peace agreement with Isreal, and most importantly, kept a lid on the MB! He goes to the ME after his first election; tells everyone that the US is 'at fault' for the many problems in the ME and speaks and highlights how wonderful Islam is. And your going to sit there and tell me that he doesn't have a 'agenda'? Read his first two books, written by him, his own words, to get a clue. We're screwed in the ME with this fool in the WH! But, like many people on this blog have said, the 'sheeple' of the US elected this guy once again.....elections have consequences. My personal opinion; we haven't seen anything yet....!!!!!!
@eva;
You digress and get voted up for it.lol I am talking about a hidden agenda in the sense he is trying to back Islamist and you digress into domestc issues .lol
You are kidding yourself. Obama has a budget in place. Foriegn policy goals. Domestic goals. This is about Egypt not an Obama bashing session that you digress us into.
What is hidden from you that you would like to see. What do you think his agenda is. Why not stick to what the article is about, stay relevant. I challenge you to answer this.Well,
@spider;
Oh really, why not check out what is going on off AQAP, where we are massing thousands to deter Iran from striking Israel. Tell the little girl who recieved her cancer treatments without severe repercussions financially on the family because of Obamacare, or the thousands that are now motivated to take responsibilty and have become insured.Tell the millions that have been released from a dictatorships in the ME. Tell the Israelis that we have supplied with new bunker busters to nail Irans nuclear program with Tell that to the dead leaders of the Taliban and Al Qeada that he has personally approved being taken out.
No substance? lol
Now they are free from a dictator, so what?
You are kidding yourself he holds them accountable for their future in this speech. He does not blame the U.S for anything in this speech. I have read the whole speech have you? I doubt it. Show me what he says is our fault in this speech. He was offering an olive branch, not laying blame.
@nj john;
What speech are you reading? Show me in quotes where he says these things.lol
Democracy is being born in the ME and you guys just bash Obama, and ignore all Imshow you he has done as far as foreign policy, none of which any of you deny.You guys just hurl insults without backking them up.
Umm I said "hidden agenda" refering to Islamist. All presidents have agendas, you read my post out of context and answer to it wrongly because your hate for Obama blinds you from understanding it rationally, this is obvious in the question you have posed above.
@eva;
Since your post seems so popular I will wait for you to back yourself up on your digression. What was not tranparent enough for you? What is it you would like to know?
@nj john;
I will wait for you to show me where Obama says all the things you have accused him of.You obviouisly have not read the speech you refer to and your opinions are being formed by others,
You guys talk the talk today I challenge you to walk the walk.
haha...thats what the IGNORE button is for!!
You will all run and hide as usual when aked to back yourselves up.Make sure you are right about what you say because I will have no mercy today. The gloves are off I am sick of this baseless Obama bashing that is unfounded. Way to ignore all the successes I listed in post 1;29. I have backed up what I say with facts through my own words can you do the same without copy and pasting yourselves to death?
@fed;
Yes and we all know how good you are at ignoring the truth. You never answered this..
Because you have no answer,only long cut and paste diatribes.
Democracy is being born in the ME
No, it isn't.
These countries and their despot leaders are giving lip service to the idea of democracy. They are in no way ready for it and won't be for centuries yet.
You cannot have democracy without a semblance of educated citizenry. You can't have democracy without some form of idea that all people are created equally, and when you will not acknowledge that the females of your species has the right to live if she is raped against her will, you are definitely not ready to embrace the concept of democracy.
I mean... give me a freaking break! Look at Iraq! The wasted lives, the wasted tears, the wasted years, the wasted money.... and soon it will be right back where it started, only worse for the destroyed lives and infrastructure.
Still waiting John for you to show me how blind and delusional I am, show me exactly what I have posted that is delusion
@scremin;
These are new Democracies going through growing pains the same as we did. No Democracy is perfect, and pitfalls will come with the growth of them. This takes time.
Coral, Obama has no budget that makes sense, until he learns to compromise (something that is difficult for an amoral narcissist to consider), there won't be a deal!
The goal my friend is to reduce the debt/deficit and that requires spending cuts.... simple economics. Taxing the rich won't do that! Job creation will! Obama won't negotiate and doesn't have a clue how to..so he goes on the road to blame the Republicans.... what a joke he is!
@EVA;
Answer the question! Quit digressing from the point that you busted on my post with.
Here it is again...
Without digression.
Answer or you are the joke.
Have you even looked at his budget? I doubt it. Unbiased tax experts disagree with you and say his budget does make since, this has been know throughout the campaign.
It says it all that the constitution they drafted removed the protection of women from violence and sex trafficking because it might interfere with the accepted practice of pedephilia by the extremist who want to continue child brides / slavery.....
Welcome to the 13th century Egypt......
And the Obama bashers go silent. You will insult me mock my posts with litttle anectdotes that have no merit, accuse my president of saying things he did not say, and can not prove he said it, accuse my president of being a stooge when it comes to foreign policy, but can not back it up, because he is not doing a bad job. Out of 21 countries in the world only one wanted Romney voted in,the rest Obama. The one for Romney was Pakistan, because they were hoping the drone policy would change, guess what it did not , so all the Mullahs still need to hide.
We have the respect of the world. Obama offers olive branches before the gun, but he will not hesitate to use the gun if need be.
@eva; Look at that budget yet mam? lol
It seems quite obvious that the Egyptians don't read as this sounds remarkably like the scorpion and frog story.
@eva;
Here let me help you.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budgetu.
@spider,fed,eva,nj john;
You can bash with blanket statements all day, but when asked to back up the things you are accusing Obama of all of you vanish, or digress. My problem is not your ignorance, we are all guilty of that in one way or the other. My problem is your callous lies that insult, and mislead about the president, and you aim them at me like I do not know what I am talking about and call me delusional when I show with facts they are doing a good job on foreign affairs.
You see I do my homework and form my own opinions, all 4 of you would be wise to do the same so I do not have to take you to task again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwB1Z8SOdU0
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-20058368.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2241374/Muslim-Brotherhood-paying-gangs-rape-women-beat-men-protesting-Egypt-thousands-demonstrators-pour-streets.html?printingPage=true
@coral taxi....you can get up now as obama knows when he has been licked. You stated that you've been following foriegn affairs sence you were 13, well I hate to break the bad news to you but being 14 now doesn't make you an expert. Unfortunantly I do agree with you as to your statement about obama having a budget plan, however; the plan is &^$# as not even his own party would vote for it!. You want obama's hidden agenda's exposed?, well unfortunantly they are hidden, however; some are known by a few but I doubt the Russians would tell us what obama was making referance to when he told them to wait untill his second term when he would have more lead way. Fortunantly for the sake of the USA almost half the nation wouldn't give obama the sweat off our nuts if he was dieing of thirst!.
@7.6;
Umm Obama just won reelection sir, where have you been?
Then a 14 yr old just took the fearsome foursome Obama bashers to task, which makes them look all the worse.lol
This is not the same budget oh bright one, why not read before you rant. If you think it is not a good plan then just give me ONE example why.
You are obviously confused sir, I challenged eva who said he is not being transparent, to explain what she means , what is that she would like to see, that she feels she can not.She never answered, because it is BS.I was referring to others saying he is backing Islamist, and Eva came in and digreesed into domestic,but I bit and proved her wrong there also.
It is called diplomacy sir, laying groundwork for the future. We speak to Russia from a place of strength Obama cowtos to no leaders. Russia can barely cross the Atlantic with an aging fleet of ships.
How very profound of you oh confused one.
a27.6
And it is lee way sir,not lead way, and dying not dieing.
Just trying to save you from looking more silly in the future. Not bashing you.
I believe you might be the junior here.
Oh please, Coral. You live in a glass house, so don't throw stones. What the heck is "cowtos"!? It's "kowtows." How about reading a little more to learn how to spell?
@ahmad;
I like to spell it that way,but you are correct. The important thing is that you get the point. I was not throwing stones, which is why I stated I was not bashing him at the end, did you not read that part before you accused me of throwing stones.
But I will say tu shay Ahmadind.
While I do not agree that we have any right to tell another country who they want to rule over them, we do though have the right to stop all aid if they are putting people in power that do not share our interests and instead are supporting people who fight against us. The short sightedness of Washington DC from the President on down is absolutely amazing. First they knowingly supported the uprising in the Arab countries to overthrow leadership that was friendly to our nation and goals and now have put in people that are against everything we stand for, or in the case of Egypt are putting terrorist in power. So what does Obama do? The same thing he has done since he has been in power, reward these people even though everything they stand for is contrary to what we do. We have their president demanding that we release prisoners that committed terrorist attacks against us with the first attack on the twin towers, and rather then pull back aid, Obama is committed to giving them another 20 F16's and another 200 Abram tanks all on our dollar. So here we go again with him arming our enemies while we the taxpayers are responsible for footing the bill.
Time for the dual loyalists to cram propaganda down our throats to blow smoke in our faces so we will forget what Izrael just did.
And WHAT did they do? Are they friends of the US? We just shamed ourselves for them before the world by voting at the UN to continue support of zionist oppression in Palestine. We voted NO for our "friend" against the recognition of Palestine and what does our "friend" do? Embarrasses us by 10 by announcing they are going to steal even more Palestinian land.
That is a "friend"?
You're commenting on the wrong article!
This story give's me hope for the middle east. The people of Egypt don't want Islamic rule and thats a good thing for peace.
JP, Are you saying the people in Tahiri square are really not there protesting this move by Morsi ? Get off your Nazi ranting about the Jew's your Jew hating BS is getting old!!
Keep it up people of Egypt, The American people are behind you!!
JP, don't know what your problems are, but take your manure somewhere else.
Dude you are way too opinionated on this to be an American. The wording you use seems to strongly suggest your an Arab hiding under internet anonymity. Nice try though.
Some can't look straight and think straight. That is what you are doing.
Jewish lobby in the US and Christain right assume that they are smart. Here dancers of Jewish extremists like Netanyahus imagine that they are super duper. Hillary, Libermanns and some more are simply Jewish lobby dancers.
Bushes, McCains, Romney and some more are Christian right voices.
Some times Hillarys and McCains start their dances together! Libya is one example.
This article nicely writes about how the US political establishment has been fooled on Egypt.
Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are the dirtiest swamps on earth, where life is hell due to high dosage of Islam.
They are responsible for breeding and exporting Islamic radicals and terrorists (MB, Salaffi, Wahhabi, al Qaida, Taliban and other label ones) all over the world. They are creating at least 80 percent of havoc all over.
Sunni Saudi inspired and funded barbaric and bigoted Sunni MB and Morsi have hijacked the Arab Spring in Egypt
Egyptians have to save themselves from Morsi and MB, the Sunni haters and killers. If Morsi and his MB continue Israel would be hurt most.
Morsi and MB are not saving Egyptians. Instead they will be destroying Egypt like Pakistan, Libya, Syria, Iran and other Muslim basket case nations.
Saudi Arabia through its puppet like oil companies and their lobbyists invented Iraqi wars; manipulated high oil prices; exported their Islamic extremist Salaffi and Wahhabi versions by funding their mosques all over the world.
Now along with Jewish Netanyahus, Sunni Saudis are inventing problems in Syria and again manipulating oil prices higher through sanctions on Iranian oil.
For world peace and economic stability, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan have to be erased out of the map.
Let Assad and his Russian friends finish off all the Sunni Syrian rebels supported by al Qaida, MB, Salaffi Sunni extremists and killers.
Iran can get nukes from Pakistan. So keep away from Syria and Iran.
To reduce our economic worries remove sanctions on Iranian oil.
We have no roles in Shiites vs Sunni battles on whose Allah is greater!
Let us not get conned again on Syria and Iran as was done by Sunni Saudi and co with Iraqi wars.
J.P = Jihad Princess. You madam are obviously extremist Muslim. Go peddle your Taquiya propagandist B.S. elsewhere. I see you for what you are.
So, does the new constitution provide for elections ? Morsi can be voted out of office, right ? Other political parties are allowed, right ? Right ?......Omg, what a disaster this is for egypt and the region..! And to think the son of a bitch was educated in the USA...woaww..amazing how he is using his knowledge of democracy to help his country ! This has civil war written all over it. The only hopeful sign, like another poster said, is that there are enough egyptians with balls to protest against islamic rule..
I'm reading the article and the comments and there seems to be 2 different stories... to make it brief, I'll just comment on the article.
Some had problems with the articles author but this line seems to be very true... i really do feel the US and the Egyptians were duped.. I really see Egypt having "Buyers Remorse" over this and all the reporting on the ground with the Egyptians agree that President Obama's administration is (at least) partly to blame.
They will not have the success in pushing reforms like they did with Mubarak. The UN and the US was supportive and applied pressure with Mubarak... Now, since the election of Morsi, the International community feels it has to "but out" and "let democracy work". The Egyptian people are on their own. In addition to this, the MB have Iranian ties and there is a suspicion that they, Russia, China will support Morsi and quell ANY interference like they have done in Syria.
Now there is no reason for Egypt (constitutionally) to continue truce with Israel and now with Palestine's "upgraded" UN status.. Israel's "cease fire" is now a political weapon against itself... I hope, really I'm just wrong and my "opine" is way off.. but this seems to be a growing reality.
Imagine if, after five months in office, an American president announced that he could pass any law he pleased regardless of Congress or the U.S. Supreme Court. Imagine if he said his decisions were final and inspired by God. Imagine, furthermore, that his second in commmand secretly plottted to involve the country in a needless war for profit. A war his boss said he consulted with his heavenly father about (but forget to mention stratregy or exit plan.) No, that could never happpen in a civilized country/
Ahhhhhh,
"Government Motors is alive and well, al-Qeada is on the run, and the "Arab Spring Egyptian Protesters" were for Democracy."
Benghazi attack was due to a video, the Devil made me give the guns away during "Fast and Furious", and the National Debt ceiling should be removed.
Can't wait to find out what is next with this administration (military given to U.N. for peace keeping details ?).
Yep, you get what you voted for.
Israel is a friend, the only one who we have constantly had in the middle east, just because your an anti-semite doesnt make them an enemy.
jp, u are an ass.
It says it all that the constitution they drafted removed the protection of women from violence and sex trafficking because it might interfere with the accepted practice of pedephilia by the extremist who want to continue child brides / slavery.....
Welcome to the 13th century Egypt......
thank god we have no christian extremist in our country!!! (sarcasm)
All I have to say to you is YOUR AN IDIOT! GOD BLESS ISRAEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
so jp have you ever gone a day without your head shoved up your muslim butt
We should isolate our self from this situation, totally. We don't have a dog in the fight, let the Egyptians work out their differences themselves.
Isn't that what you said about Iran 2 years ago when they were rioting after their fake elections? Man I hope you haven't forgotten about that. But to your point you are right it is their issue but as a free people WE can support the Egyptian people!!
I agree with you.
WE HAVE NO ROLES IN SYRIA AND IRAN.
ALSO REMOVE SANCTIONS ON IRANIAN OIL TO CRASH OIL PRICES.
In Egypt, Sunni Saudi backed Salaffi and MB are opening up new chapters of Islamic bigotry. Morsi is just a front for them. Just watch the fate of moderate Muslims, Christians, women and Israel as the time goes by.
It is for the Egyptians and Israel to kick out Sunni Islamic seventh century Islamic killers Morsi and MB out once for all out of Egypt. One battle cry: UNITE and KICK OUT MB, KICK OUT MB.....
Followers of Islamic cult, especially Sunni Saudi inspired Islamic radicals and militants (al-Qaida, Salaffi, Wahhabi, MB, Taliban and other label ones), are fast marching backwards to their seventh century desert tribal days.
They are indulging in rapings, lootings, killings and genocides of non-Muslims (Darfur, S. Sudan, Nigeria and spreading like wild fire in many regions and Muslims (Libya, Yemen, Mali, Iraq, Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan and other places).
Even in Syria, if Assad is overthrown by Sunni Islamic religious Nazis like al-Qaida, MB, the conditions of Christians will be unbearable just like Iraq.
Pakis and Sunni Saudis and co are responsible for 80 percent of world problems including economic ones. Examine the devastations with Iraqi wars and now sanctions on Iranian oil and the resultant oil price manipulations.
They are making the lives of their own people also miserable by their Islamic religious madness to the intolerable levels.
Yes, we do have an interest in this situation. Egypt has traditionally been the major power in the Middle East (aside of Israel, of course). If you consider how fearful other Middle Eastern countries are of Iran, just imagine how they'll feel about an Egypt that's bent on exporting Islamic revolution. Even if we didn't need Middle Eastern oil, our European allies (and major trading partners) do. The world is too interconnected for the US to say that this situation doesn't matter.
If that's what he said he was right. We need to stay OUT of the business of other countries and let them deal with their own problems, whether they sink or swim. We can stop handing out money while we're at it.
Say what you want, and I agree somewhat. But at some point in the future, Morsi's election will have direct and indirect impacts on the US and it's citizens, mark my words. It's always easier to correct a situation when you have meaningful influence ... we have no influence or leadership there anymore other than perhaps the same mindset as Morsi and that can't turn out good for any Christian, any where. Elections do have consequences.
The point of the article is kind of lame though. It's a little late for the people to be figuring this out. They supposedly had a majority of people vote him in not too long ago. So if he's "their guy", what's the problem? Buyers remorse, I suppose. Same thing we'll be dealing with in the next few years.
I've had buyer remorse for the last 4 years, the next 4 will be tougher.... Egyptians can sympathize with us in that respect.
Just one word to the liberals now in power..... Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it! Morsi in Egypt and Obama here are causing more problems then they are worth! Another four years of both will cause devestation for both countries!
BTW, Mr. Obama, I do not think that it would be the best idea to blame George Bush for the disasters about to happen in the Middle East! At this point, you have full ownership of this sh#tstorm!
Oh, poor baby, the majority spoke and now you don't like it. Poor loser...the 47% heard you (the cellphone recorded it....hehehe...) Oh and disaster about to happen in the Middle East? Like the place is a paradise now and everyone is getting along just fine? What planet are you from?
So the wolf in the wool sweater turns out to be a wolf after all. This is news? Or is it just news that people are starting to wake up to it?
It didn't take long at all for Muslim Brotherhood to show their true colors, their true history, their true agenda. Washington D.C is stupid and will destroy us all. And I don't mean just this sitting President.
THEY voted him in. THEIR problem.
And as far as someone suggested that we need to look out for our allies best interests in the region, even if WE don't need the areas oil...NO WE DON'T! At some point in time everyone needs to put on their big girl panties and stand up for themselves.
Iran and Israel want to blow each other up? Go for it. Should make interesting reading. Same for Israel and Palestine. Have at it and send me a post card. Egypt just elected a new Hitler? Their problem. Let them fix it.
I love when people say that the US can not just stand by and watch these other countries and their problems. YES WE CAN!
While the rest of the world works on THEIR problems maybe we here should work on ours? Lets start with making sure that not one child in this country ever has to go hungry. After that I'm sure we can find about a thousand more things to fix.
The US is not the police, headmaster, social service worker, priest, and bank, for the rest of the planet.
Are you saying that spreading our goodness with M-16's may not be wise?
However, a clueless and incompetent Obama thinks he's his friend. He's actually said so.
From the article:
It was obvious to a lot of us a long time ago!
Just goes to show-- hindsight is 20/20
If Egyptian citizens are not careful they may get a regime worse than Mubarak. Egypt may become a another Iran, a country willing to kill its own citizens. I feel sorry for all the non-muslims, liberal muslims and all in the tourist industry in Egypt.
O'Bama, by asking for the ability to raise the debt ceiling at will, is asking for the same authority similar to the Muslim Brotherhood. Like the Muslim Brotherhood, Hitler and all Dictator's of History leaders go around and or use established Constitutions and laws to increase their authority. The same is happening in Syria with the full support of our Muslim Dictator, President O'Bama. O'Bama needs to be stopped before he completely destroys the U.S..
It says it all that the constitution they drafted removed the protection of women from violence and sex trafficking because it might interfere with the accepted practice of pedephilia by the extremist who want to continue child brides / slavery.....
Welcome to the 13th century Egypt......
How funny! One Islamist warns another Islamist is no friend of America. Which Islamist do we trust?
No, it isn't.
These countries and their despot leaders are giving lip service to the idea of democracy. They are in no way ready for it and won't be for centuries yet.
You cannot have democracy without a semblance of educated citizenry. You can't have democracy without some form of idea that all people are created equally, and when you will not acknowledge that the females of your species has the right to live if she is raped against her will, you are definitely not ready to embrace the concept of democracy.
I mean... give me a freaking break! Look at Iraq! The wasted lives, the wasted tears, the wasted years, the wasted money.... and soon it will be right back where it started, only worse for the destroyed lives and infrastructure
This country is so stupid to think that the Muslim world is our ally or friend. I say stop given aid to these Muslims. All that money we give these Arab countries could sure help our own in times of need. Like I said our Government is corrupt and retarded.
Often when one dictator is deposed another takes his place and is even worse. History repeats itself over and over. The people in Egypt voted for this guy and now they must live with the consequences for them to have the drive to make a change. The US supported their electing a member of a radical group that is ranked with the likes of terrorist groups such as Hamas. Now the US must live with the consequences.
We should not get involved in this. We would just get a swift kick in the Ass afterward just like we got in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan. These people wanted Religion to run their lives when they voted for Morsi, and now they have it. Good. No pity coming from me.
It would have been incredibly stupid and hypocritical for the U. S. to interfere in the Egyptian elections. After all, this country supposedly stands as a beacon of democracy. So, as far as supporting the election of Morsi, that was up to the Egyptian people. The U. S. had no choice in the matter.
Morsi was instrumental in negotiating peace between Israel and Hamas, however tenuous that may be. For that he earned congratulations and support from President Obama, nothing more. If the Egyptians now see him as a threat to their freedom, that is their problem.
They are learning the lessons of democracy. Under a dictatorship the best thing to do is keep your head down, make no waves and hope to go unnoticed by the authorities. Under a democratic regime you must stand up, be vigilant and guard your right to freedom.
I just can't help but notice the demographics of the first video. Based on what the media feeds me, I am incline to believe they, those MEN, are out their chanting for the growing suppression of the woman in the buildings and the legal marriage of child girls. I have little knowledge of what the Islamic do in their "off" time other than engage in acts with a female child and constant drug abuse or religion abuse, same difference. Which leads me to believe that maybe we need to put more effort into the "war" on tyrant religion more than we do the war on drugs...probably the same outcome but at least if we accomplish the first much of the second will go to corporations (drugs, like what the Poppy plant can produce) which seem to be the only ones who can handle the kind of power that money brings...in a way its more honest to let the drug producing countries be flooded with drug corporations and employees instead of cult like religious groups who place their will on another human.
and much like one of the other videos, I too feel like maybe me being a woman means that someday I will be forced to stay inside and be beaten at my owners will....suddenly i feel scared even being here in America.
Anyone is actually surprised? The same thing happened in 1979 in Iran with Carter. We are naive.
Andy 3.20
Neither.
"They were necessary for the good of the people..." Isn't this the same reason we have the Patriot Act? Never trust a politician, leader or a government that wants to control and suppress their citizens in the name of protecting them.
Never mind about Egyptians fearing decades of Muslim Brotherhood rule, we are heading in the same direction, although we do get a chance, in 4 years time. Nevertheless, President Obama is showing similar traits to Morsi. He won’t listen to anyone, the two sides, Democrats and Republicans are no longer capable of reaching an agreement, our finances are in ruins and after 4 years of “no budget” to let everyone know the direction we are heading in, we are no closer to solving our problems.
As far as I am concerned, President Obama may be reading from the same book as Morsi …..It’s my way or the highway.
........... Obama gave the green light to Overthrow Mubarak by withdrawing his support, and saying it was time for Mubarak to leave.
Obama visits Morsi and apologizes for everything wrong in the middle east
Obama repeatedly throws Israel under the bus
..... so given ALL those FACTS, it becomes crystal clear and indisputable, that Obama, his clueless policies and surrogates have exasperated and already unstable situation.
Slow news day?
Obama hasn't been conned by Morsi. He knows what Morsi is. He just has no objection to Morsi. Obama was a Muslim; he lived in a Muslim country. He know all about Islam, much more than the infidels in America.
The Republicans predicted this exact scenario. Obama never saw this coming...
this is just a retarded situation.
1. they vote in the MBH top dog and then are surprised he acts like well the MBH top dog.
2. they are surprised.
3. items 1 and 2 above if like dividing by zero.
what in theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeellllllllllllllllllll did they think they would get.
ps. many big thanks to all the ah hem, "supporters" of this lunacy.
...and, of course "WE" are the "infedels"...
If we just imported more people from the ME and gave them jobs that lazy liberals wont do, we could actually win their hearts and minds!
Another policy success of the Obama administration. Nice job Mr. President. Show the world your insight and leadership skills once again...what you were not ready to be President...yes we know...now deal with it. This is the result of on the job training for a political hack...reminds me of President Carter and Iran...so similar and such a disaster in the making. Again nice job Hillary and President Obama...it all you this time.
"President Obama is supporting a terrorist," a man told me amid chants of "Leave! Leave!" in Tahrir Square and "Down, down with the rule of the Muslim Brotherhood's spiritual leader." Before, it was "Down, down with Mubarak."
Next.
@Andy Blackwood, It's all fun and games until the last Jew standing presses the button. I'd like to see us back out of foreign affairs more but the world is a little more complicated than people want to admit.
The Middle East is a clusterf#@k and it is the one sole place on earth we should be involved.
I like Jews and I like Egyptians. If their countries weren't so volatile. then I would love to visit both. Simple fact is that you have a nuclear armed Israel versus a shaky ally that sits on it's border. You can't expect the U.S. to ignore it.
Let's just hope Barry grows a pair and learns how to govern.
Of course he does; he has the same kind of absolute power Obama wants here. He will be buddying up for tips on how to drive us into submission.
Obama takes no leadership responsibility as the world longs for equal rights and freedom. The U.S. once a bright star and a pinnacle of hope for the oppressed around the world has nothing to say except to tell Syria not to use chemical weapons in their civil war. Wow, I'm even shaking in my boots with such tough talk. We are now the joke of every tyrant on the globe because we have no heart or passion for freedom. We have a gutless, cowardly left making decisions about nothing and a greedy right that is too selfish to take a stand because it may cost money. It looks like we're ripe for a fascist takeover when the walls of finance finally crumble. History will repeat itself, as it always has. What a legacy we leave for our children and grandchildren. You left-wingers better get ready for substantial hardship and a bleak future with fewer handouts because of your weak disposition. You wealthy right-wingers should be ashamed that you allowed the pendulum to swing so far left. It will cost you much more wealth to repair the damage inflicted from your greed and selfishness.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss...
Actually worse, good luck with radical Islam rules.
And our great dear leader gives the islamists F-16's gotta wonder what side our president is on.
Barak Hussein Osama-Obama is a Moslem dog.
@irving, now you got your drivel out, do you feel better, you redneck mutt?
It is spelled Muslim, and Barry is a Christian, who happens to have strong ties to Islam. Sometimes this clouds his judgement, particularly when the Middle East is in crisis mode, which seems to be very frequent these days!
sally, name calling is immature.
SallyAnn- Name calling is very childish on your part. You are no better then Irving.
I hope Morsi does what Muslims want to do the west. Muslim Brotherhood wants to resurrect the Islamic Caliphate and control the world. Their main ambition is to be the masters of the world and ruled by Sharia. Anyone who opposes sharia will be exterminated. It is demanded by the very book they call holy and noble.
The Leftists and the so called progressives who advocate LGBT will be the first targets of Muslim Brotherhood. The Democrats and Obama were very supportive of Egyptian revolution not heeding the advise of many political advisers. Many middle east analysts warned of the danger of Muslim Brotherhood. Israelis quietly said the west's calling of Egypt's' revolutions as Arab Spring as an Islamic winter. This was scoffed by the CNN, ABC, CBS anchors and State Department as BS and outright stupidity. Now the truth is being revealed.
Just wait for few more months and you will hear Egypt joining hands with Iran to bring down Saudi and Gulf states. Already Syria is in Muslim Brotherhood hands. It is a matter of time before the Sunnis control Jordan. Then the grand battle for Jerusalem will begin. By the time USA will be history. It will be made impotent by their socialist president.
The Bible said this will happen and Psalm 83 clearly stated the nations will confederate against Israel and their goal will be utter destruction of the Jews. So sit back and watch as scenes unfold as stated by those ancient sages. The outcome may shock the liberals and conservatives alike!
You don't need to worry about the bible says, according to the Mayan calender it will be all over the 21st of this month. LOL!
The Bible does not say the world is going to disappear. It says the unrighteous rule of wicked people will be eradicated and a just and righteous rule will be established. In fact the Bible says the world is without end!
Like I said, you don't have to worry about that, just believe in the Aztec!
gudprsn, what is so upsetting is the fact that most of the world can see this coming, except for Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. My hope is Israel will do a preemptive strike before things get out of control. I hope Israel is not going to wait for the United States to help them because if they do then the nuclear missiles will be well on their way to Israel before the U.S. even thinks of reacting. The world will be a much safer place once Hillary Clinton retires and Susan Rice is blocked by the Republicans from replacing Hillary.
World has seen extreme levels religious extremism and violent actions. Their life spans were short.
This is similar to ideological extremism! Here communism had the shortest life span.
In 21st century Sunni Saudi and other Sunni Arab League rulers led Islamic extremist versions of Salaffi and Wahhabi are going to have short life.
Even oil companies, Christian right, Jewish extremists and their lobbyists can't save them for long!
House of Saud, a strict Wahhabi, is not even tolerating Prophet Mohammad’s heritage places. House of Saud consists of a megalomaniac, despotic and bigoted ruler and highly corrupt, despotic, bigoted seventh century mindset 5000 princes and princesses.
In Mecca, the house of one of the wives of Mohammed was demolished and converted into public lavatories. Mohammed’s birth place may vanish with plans to have skyscrapers, mega shopping malls and a Grand mosque!
In Medina, ten years ago a mosque of grandson of Mohammed was dynamited and the religious police were celebrating on this. There are plans to pull down three seventh century mosques in future.
Iraqi wars outsourced to the US, British, Europe saved them.
Now Turkey is dancing along with the Sunni Saudi and co on Syria and Iran!
Hope those, who want to do their dirty jobs for Sunni Saudis and co in Syria and Iran, remember Iraqi wars, Afghan war and Libyan intervention.
During Benghazi attack by Sunni Saudi agents, McCains, Hillarys went into hiding!
No one can save the House of Saud and other Sunni Arab League rulers for long!
gudprsn, you are totally messed up and the very description of a hopeful evangelistic self fulfilling prophecy.
Gudprsn: While I agree with you that all that is happening in the Middle East is part of God's eternal plan and woe to the nations that go against Israel and that includes the United States, I believe that you have misinterpreted your reading of the Scripture. Although the meaning should be clear in the context in which the phrase "world without end" is used, if you will go to Strong's Concordance and look up the original words and the various meanings it will become clearer to you. The phrase does not refer to the terrestrial globe that we now inhabit, but to a long span of time or eternity. In Revelation 21:1 we are told that there will be a new heaven and a new earth because the old has passed away, but that does not take place until after the 1,000 year reign and there are several events that preceed that. We live in exciting times as we see prophecy being fulfilled, but time is short and eternity is a long time for so many. Pray and study. 2 Tim 2:15
Horrified-411762
looks like the democrats are going with the republicans on Rice
It is precisely this kind of bull@!$%# that fuels a lot of the unrest in all these countries. The powers that be are smart enough to use this @!$%# to mobilize the masses. I wish humans would just smarten up and set aside these silly superstitions.
It's the 21st century for god's sake (pun intended). God damned this makes me angry!
What nonsense you are spouting. Can you tell me how many wares we waged in the name of Freedom?
Muslim Brotherhood = Taliban = US Religious Right = Arian Brotherhood = Iranian Mullahs etc..
All the same garbage. The telescope should have been the beginning of the end of all this nonsense.
gudprsn - You don't know what the f you are talking about. Muslims erecting a Caliphate to rule the world is about as likely as you winning the next Powerball. I hardly think the leaders of Egypt are so stupid, that they would believe they have any chance of world domination. You are just citing Zionist hate propaganda, much like Richard Engle and his article.
Having said that, I believe Egypt would be far better off with a secular government, as would Israel, who is ruled by right wing Zionist racial supremists.
For those of you who believe scripture foretells the last battle on earth being in Israel you might want to read the Bible again for the first time. The Bible is a story and narrative about how God uses many methods to save us from evil agencies and our own selfishness and self destruction. In fact most religions including the Israelites so misrepresented God he sent his Son to represent his case. Jesus said "if you have seen me you have seen the father". "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him". John 3: 16,17. Jesus further stated in Matthew 24:4-8 "Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains." There is more to come before the end of evil on this earth. A careful reading of Daniel and Revelation together will give you some insights into the end of all things and the creation of a new earth. Armageddon is the final battle between God and Satan...not Israel and the Arabs...just saying you ignored the curse the Jewish nation called down on itself when the crucified Christ in Matthew 27:25 All the people answered, "let his blood be on us and our children." This does seem to refute the Israelites as God's favored nation don't you think? Many Christians mistakenly believe that God is still treating the Israelites as his "chosen people" when in fact Jesus foretold a time when you will no longer worship God in the temple but will worship Him in spirit and in truth for he is Spirit and Truth. The culmination of all things will be a time when true followers of Jesus will be given the death penalty because they choose to follow Jesus instead of the "Beast" which is a direct symbol for the devil and his government. The end of all things is the end of evil in the universe and the establishment of God's eternal kingdom.
If Obama had stood by our long term ally Mubarak, none of this would have happened. Obama lit the match on the entire Middle East. And we wonder why the world hates the USA.
Mubarak would have fallen with or without the U.S.'s support. If you recall many were criticizing the U.S. for supporting him too long into the protests. Blaming everything that's happening in the middle east on Obama is ridiculous.
Bill, what?!!! How did Obama light the match? Haven't you read anything about how this all came to happen in the first place?
fris,
No, how about telling us how this all came to be.
Here you go Richard. Straight from Wikipedia. How did Obama start this?
Recent history
The current wave of protests is not an entirely new phenomenon, resulting in part from the activities of dissident activists as well as members of a variety of social and union organizations that have been active for years in Tunisia, Algeria, Egypt, and other countries in the area, as well as in the territory of Western Sahara.[59]
Revolts have been occurring in the Arab area since the 1800s but only recently have these revolts been redirected from foreign rulers to the Arab states themselves. The revolution in the summer of 2011 mark the end of the old phase national liberation from colonial rule, rather they are inwardly directed at the problems of Arab society.[60]
Tunisia experienced a series of conflicts over the past three years, the most notable occurring in the mining area of Gafsa in 2008, where protests continued for many months. These protests included rallies, sit-ins, and strikes, during which there were two fatalities, an unspecified number of wounded, and dozens of arrests.[59][61] The Egyptian labor movement had been strong for years, with more than 3,000 labor actions since 2004.[62] One important demonstration was an attempted workers' strike on 6 April 2008 at the state-run textile factories of al-Mahalla al-Kubra, just outside Cairo. The idea for this type of demonstration spread throughout the country, promoted by computer-literate working class youths and their supporters among middle-class college students.[62] A Facebook page, set up to promote the strike, attracted tens of thousands of followers. The government mobilized to break the strike through infiltration and riot police, and while the regime was somewhat successful in forestalling a strike, dissidents formed the "6 April Committee" of youths and labor activists, which became one of the major forces calling for the anti-Mubarak demonstration on 25 January in Tahrir Square.[62]
In Algeria, discontent had been building for years over a number of issues. In February 2008, United States Ambassador Robert Ford wrote in a leaked diplomatic cable that Algeria is 'unhappy' with long-standing political alienation; that social discontent persisted throughout the country, with food strikes occurring almost every week; that there were demonstrations every day somewhere in the country; and that the Algerian government was corrupt and fragile.[63] Some have claimed that during 2010 there were as many as '9,700 riots and unrests' throughout the country.[64] Many protests focused on issues such as education and health care, while others cited rampant corruption.[65]
In Western Sahara, the Gdeim Izik protest camp was erected 12 km south-east of El Aaiún by a group of young Sahrawis on 9 October 2010. Their intention was to demonstrate against labor discrimination, unemployment, looting of resources, and human rights abuses.[66] The camp contained between 12,000 and 20,000 inhabitants, but on 8 November 2010 it was destroyed and its inhabitants evicted by Moroccan security forces. The security forces faced strong opposition from some young Sahrawi civilians, and rioting soon spread to El Aaiún and other towns within the territory, resulting in an unknown number of injuries and deaths. Violence against Sahrawis in the aftermath of the protests was cited as a reason for renewed protests months later, after the start of the Arab Spring.[67]
The catalyst for the current escalation of protests was the self-immolation of Tunisian Mohamed Bouazizi. Unable to find work and selling fruit at a roadside stand, on 17 December, a municipal inspector confiscated his wares. An hour later he doused himself with gasoline and set himself afire. His death on 4 January[68] brought together various groups dissatisfied with the existing system, including many unemployed, political and human rights activists, labor, trade unionists, students, professors, lawyers, and others to begin the Tunisian revolution.[59]
[edit] Major US policy shift in August 2010
In 2010 US President Barack Obama made a major, but unannounced foreign policy shift regarding the relations to the states of the Arab world. Instead of supporting stability Barack Obama vowed to support change and democratisation in the Arab world. David Ignatius reported that Obama placed a big bet that democratic governments will be more stable and secure, and thereby enhance U.S. interests in the region. In August 2010 US President Barack Obama issued the secret Presidential Study Directive 11, asking agencies to prepare for change. The directive cited "evidence of growing citizen discontent with the region's regimes," warned that "the region is entering a critical period of transition" and asked the advisers of the US President to "manage these risks by demonstrating to the people of the Middle East and North Africa the gradual but real prospect of greater political openness and improved governance."[69]
So, Obama decided that supporting democracy was a chance to save the Arab world from incredibly evil dictators. Sound familiar? How about Bush and Iraq? Smart a$$
"In 2010 US President Barack Obama made a major, but unannounced foreign policy shift regarding the relations to the states of the Arab world. Instead of supporting stability Barack Obama vowed to support change and democratisation in the Arab world. David Ignatius reported that Obama placed a big bet that democratic governments will be more stable and secure, and thereby enhance U.S. interests in the region"
So Frisby Dog, what part of this don't you understand....
The match was lit before Obama was born or maybe you think tribal and religious wars are something new.
@Bill
there were factors in play long before that and you are overemphasizing the importance of the US foreign policy on internal conflicts in the Middle East. Supporting democratization isn't exactly a radical departure from previous administrations either.
If you think we have any control over what happens in the ME, you give us too much credit for knowing what were doing.
I'm beginning to believe that the right wingers in America suffer from a collective mental illness. Every day it's negative, negative and more negative. I wish you fools would wake up and stop tearing down the country and our president.... That's what our enemies do not American citizens.
The fact is President Obama didn't wave some magic wand and command Egypt's regime change nor does he control anything that happens there. I swear the right wing nuts in this country would blame Obama for the fall of the Roman empire if they thought it would stick.
Get over it, your agenda of hate was rejected in the election because average Americans are fed up with your lying, whining and mud slinging........ but most of all your inability to except truth, facts and reality.
The people of this region are steeped in religion and history. It is obvious that they are at war amongst themselves and confused by was and what should be. Let these people work out their walk from historical practices to whatever conclusion is best for them, if possible. Until that happens, let them be.
The USA and other countries who attempt to intervene in the process of historical realization in the mideast will be suspect as, none of our business and interlopers. Can't blame them, I, as an American, would resent another country coming in to attempt to dictate my countries politics and religion.
We endorse a mideast person only to have them declare themself as supreme -- too instable -- too instable. Back out, let the people of this region decide what they want prior to any endorsement.
When the people rebel, as a whole, as did Amercians in the rebellion against England, only then will we learn the real desires of the people of the mideast. More power to them, whether it be a continuation of the dictates of historical Muslim religion, more modern mores, or a combination of.
PS: The Egyptians warn Morsi is no friend to US? --- If the Egyptians feel this way why can they not resolve the problem without involving the USA? As in the headline, "Eyptians fear decades of Muslim Bortherhood rule, warn Morsi is no friend of US." It indicates the country cannot rule itself without calling for the aid of the US -- and with aid of the US, call the US the, "great evil." duh! -- The country is too unstable, doesn't know how they are to be ruled, if input doesn't agree with the current venacular it is ruled as interfering and anti-muslim.
How should countries react to this? What is a reasonable reaction? Well when one reacts with logic and reasonable reaction to an illilogical and unreasonable entity the only action is to back off.
@ Big Al,
Just because other people have a difference of opinion does not make them mentally ill. Thinking you are the only one that has a 'clue' is more an indication of mental problems...just saying be careful there.
Most conservatives don't hate the country...never did...they just feel a need to conserve our limited resources and make a nation last longer for our children and grand children...is that a crime now? Is that not what you want for your country? Just because some of us see a connection between policies and outcomes makes us a problem? Wish more people could understand the connection between cause and effect including our legislators...do you have a problem with that as well? It is cluelessness that is the problem in Washington D.C. that is why we have a fiscal cliff. Both parties and the President are not taking correct steps to deal with the real issues don't you think? In America "my way or the highway" has never been the rule of the day until now and you call those of us who disagree mentally ill? Perhaps you should rethink that a bit.
@notsosure
he was making a point about the irrationality many people have regarding blaming Obama for the current state of affairs in the middle east.
Dust4...I guess I'm one of those people. Many times I say Obama, when I really mean 'the current administration'.
Egyptian Army, the best our money can buy.
Syrian Army, the best army the Russians could buy.
The Egyptian army doesn't get that much US funding for it size. If you want to see the best of the best that we buy for other countries look at Israel. They have really nice equipment, all of it designed to reduce casualties rather than for fire power, so it is even has new research and development going into it at the US's expense.
Thanks to Obama and his muslim brother hood...!!!
AC, did Obama cast his vote for MB? You're just another ignorant poster to mark IGNORE!
And the Arab spring.....
FrisbyDog,Obama promised two billion of our tax dollars to Morsi and his new regime.
AC,,, you're out of your mind.
Islam is a young religion. When it was created Christianity was in the 14th century. Islam is going through it's adolescent years just like Christianity did. In the tenth century Christianity was going through it violent phase with the crusades. Now Islam is going through its violent phase with terrorism. In another few hundred years Islam will be just as frightening as Christianity is. For the rest of us secularists we just sit and wait for a world unburdened by the myth of religion.
The problem is, the christians used swords and spears, and islam may have nuclear bombs! I hope they can evolve quickly! After all we’re in the “information age”, but will logic overcome dogma!
Wrong Jack. Islam came to being around 700AD. After Christianity of course, but far before the 14th century. The 10th century the Christians went through a violent phase with the crusades? Just WHO did you think they were against? The muslims of course,,who were taking over the Holy Lands.
Jack, First, I believe Islam started as early as the 6th century. Second, what everybody forgets about the crusades is that before the "Christians" invaded Palastine, the Muslims had taken over the region by force themselves. They actually controlled as far north as Spain thru their military conquests. The crusades, right or wrong, were just an attempt to take back what had been siezed by Muslims.
Hi Jack...I'll bet you don't enter any tunnels....cause' for U, there's no light at the other end. For you its only responsibility to self and take what you can while on this little rotating ball. I'm always amazed that those who have no belief system "think" they have the knowledge about religion to give us all a lesson. Thanks to to Janine and Don for the real lesson in truth. Jack. Hope this doesn't infuriate you but Jack.....God loves you and will always be there for your heart to change. O.K. Jack, how about getting back to what this post is really about and forget about trying to hijack it into your system of no belief.
How about this one Jack. Here's a quote from the story, what is true in the Muslim world regardless of extremist views. Ready Jack...here's the quote:
"clauses specifically demanding that women be protected from violence and sex trafficking were dropped because Islamist's feared it would conflict with their desire to allow child brides"
How about that one Jack, does your non belief have any gut concern for the fact the place their women in sex trafficking. And yes Jack this has been condemned by groups like amnesty international . O.K. Jack your turn. Try to use a little intelligence here ...here's your chance.
Oh Jack, by the way...these "Muslim men will force marriage onto a ten year old. How about that one Jack. Imagine your little girl being forced into a bed with a 250 lb freak with one thought on his mind and he's doing it for Allah.
Jack, I believe in God, so that's where we differ. However, I don't go to church because organized religion is ALL about Power and Money in that order. It's funny, you always hear about individual priests doing good (or bad as the case may be), but not the Vatican. It's all about retention of power. Religion is OK, even good, but NOT as an organization. We are still too easily tempted.
janine,
Christian, Islam. Islam, Christian. Funny but these two religions came from the same source - Judaism. Imagine that.
Islam was indeed established in the 7th century. However, that doesn't take away from what Jack is trying to say in terms of the development of the two religions.
It is quite astounding to me that in this day and age, folks desperately try to reconcile ancient times with modern. This is to say that they take an ancient belief system and partake in mental gymnastics to keep it alive today. The theistic "proofs" (i.e. moral, cosmological, ontological, teleological, etc) that are used to justify belief in some omnipotent, creator being are refutable and have no place in the 21st century. There are major problems with the concept of omnipotence alone. But from what I have experienced in people today that cling to such things, it comes down to cherry picking scriptures that help them cope with the world around them. In other words, it's the emotional appeal of religion that is so alluring.. a sense of belonging and something to make their lives seem meaningful. Without it, they feel as if they are lost and could not bear to live through tough times. If this is truly what it comes down to, it makes sense that people will suspend reason where it suits them and believe all kinds of odd things.
The downside to all of the warm fuzzies people experience as a result of said beliefs is, of course, further division of humanity.. along with tensions and violence they can provoke.
So CalvinOR,
"Without it, they feel as if they are lost and could not bear to live through tough times. If this is truly what it comes down to, it makes sense that people will suspend reason where it suits them and believe all kinds of odd things."
To some of us belief in nothing but self and self gratification is not enlightenment of fulfilling. In fact the empty lives of people who pursue such belief litter the headlines every day. I think you made your own point about how people "suspend reason where it suits them and believe all kinds of odd things". Do you know God invites us to "come let us reason together"? When people asked Jesus who he was and what he was up to he answered "come and see". That is an invitation without precondition to make your own investigation and arrive at your own conclusion. Many of us have and have arrived at a different conclusion than you.
So what is wrong with experiences we have that fly in the face of your lack of experience? You feel free to judge someone else and their personal experience yet have none of your own. I am sorry but your way seems hopeless and lonely. A community of faith is something you have to experience to understand...much like a family you have never met. No matter how you "feel" there are facts that confront your "feelings". Most of us consider reason, love, liberty, freedom, goodness, logic, and a list of other positive attributes to be hallmarks of God's eternal kingdom. We believe God created us for a reason and purpose. Some how that is more comforting than believing in primordial slime as our origin and survival of the fittest as a way to operate our lives. What is wrong with a belief system that builds up the individual and community for good? Do you know most Christians experience higher satisfaction in life in general with a longer life expectancy? What is wrong with that outcome? Just saying you should take a broader view before you condemn a lifestyle you don't want to understand. It is funny how bigoted your post sounded for someone who believes themselves so modern and "arrived". I extend to you the right to live as you believe can you extend the right to me as a Christian? I hope so or we have taken a huge step backward in this country more akin to Egypt.
Notsure10
You can believe what you will, but it doesn't mean it's true. You are threatened when your beliefs are challenged (notice that I said nothing of Christians alone, but in belief in some mystical deity in general), as though I display arrogance because I do not share yours. I'm sorry but this is typical of the garden variety Christians that I have known. You say that I don't know your personal experiences, which is true, but I DO know the interpretations you and others like you place on those experiences. The funny thing is that those interpretations are highly dependent on the time and place you develop as a person. That should raise a red flag.
You infer arrogance on my part.. I will counter with the arrogance of believers who think it's their duty to spread the "word". When people like you are confronted, you cry victim.
Believe all the absurdities that you want if that helps you live. I know I can't change that. Good day.
HEY Jack-ass
I believe that if the people work together they can bring Morsi down....They want to respect Islam, but not the extreme version which appears to be heading their way....The power of the people is strong...
This is the ISLAMIC Dictator that your messiah Obama and Hillary installed in office. Don't even try to defend them..this was 100% muslim power take over,,facilitated by arms provided by the US Govt. This is the dictator you re-elected on Nov 6th. So now how many people must die to overthrow this regime? Come on all you Obama lovers...conjure up lies and denials.
they di dnot install anyone or support the "revolution: get your facts right before you post it will make you appear less a idiot
You Obama haters are funny . . . not to mention forgetful, slow, and certainly racist. When the anti-Mubarak protests were heating up, you were the ones saying that Obama was wrong for continuing to support Mubarak. Then, when he finally withdrew his support for Mubarak, you suggest that he "installed" Morsi. What he did do is take a hands off approach to allow Egyptians to decide their future for themselves. They made a mistake, but all your racist rants don't make it the doing of Obama -- or anyone else, other than the Egyptians. Please, go take your meds and try to keep up with what's really going on the world.
Obama took a 'hands off approach' to the Mubarak situation? Like when he gave a major televised address calling on Mubarak to resign?
Everyone knew -- EVERYONE -- that if Mubarak stepped down, Morsi was the only viable candidate for the presidency, and the Muslim Brotherhood was the only viable political party to fill the power vacuum. This was no secret. Obama didn't even try to say otherwise, instead he and his allies in the media went on television and told everyone that the Muslim Brotherhood were moderate, mostly secular reformers, and that we'd all be better off with them in power, despite all historical evidence to the contrary.
Another pack of lies from the Obama administration... The Muslim Brotherhood is moderate. Morsi is a democratic reformer. There was no advance warning about the Benghazi attacks. There was plenty of security at our Libyan embassies. A YouTube video was responsible for the violence.
Eventually he'll lie himself into impeachment.
TJP77; Could you direct me to substantiation for your statement,
Odb2, the United States did nothing to stop it either. Also, the U.S. had plenty of people on the ground in Egypt during the revolution to know what was going on. The U.S. also backed Morsi when he came to power. People from all around the world noted that the Muslim Brotherhood had ties to Al-quada before the elections were even held and the U.S. did nothing to ensure Al-quada would not gain a foot hold in Egypt. Bloggers on this site for months before the election predicted this mess would happen and the Obama administration did not listen; just as was the case in Libya. Maybe, Egypt will recall Morsi the same way they recalled Anwar Sadat.
Obama has not done anything different in his handling of the Egyptian crisis than other presidents have done in countries that had their governments overthrown.Our country has been in the habit of offering money,support and interference when we deem one dictator better than another.Saddam Hussein received monetary aid from the U.S. and yet we invaded his country.The Iraqi people are no better off today.I voted for Romney by the way but I in no way blame Obama for Egypts crisis.I don't like the fact that he offered two billion dollars of our tax money to this Morsi dictator.
ummm.... the 300,000 kurds who were not gassed to death since saddam hussien was overthrown are MUCH better off than those who died from his use of wmds when he was still in power...don't you think???????????
what about free elections?.... what about the shiites?....
maybe read a bit before swallowing the standard liberal line!!!!
If they want to return to their ancient Muslim glory, let's withdraw all of our financial aid immediately and help them get there quickly.
Valid, I think the point is the Egyptian people don't want it. That is a good sign! Even or bias news media can't change that fact.
Egypt and the US have something in common. We each have a so-called leader that is NO Friend of the US. Egypt has Morsi, we have Hussein "little" o. Brothers in law.
Alan, I hope that your opinion is fabricated by your masters at Fox News or InsHannity or Beck or Rush. I really don't see how you could've come to this conclusion on your own. Inflammatory at best. Note to self...
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Morsi may be no friend of the US, but he and the Muslim Brotherhood are friends of Obama.
Where are you people coming from? And more importantly, how the heck did you get like this? Our culture is pretty forgiving, except for 2 things - Justice and Fairness. How is this relevant? Are your comments going to make the world a better place? Are your BS claims going to stop the MB? Are your comments just and fair?
I guess you like to (as my mom says), "stir the pot". Insert your imaginary name here.
BTW, for most of us it's not hero or real American.
Exactly, The Muslim Brotherhood didn't con Obama one bit. Marxist Obama knew exactly what would happen. Most of the phony,hypocritical left left knew too.
Boy, it's almost as if the conservatives knew what they were talking about when they predicted that exactly this would happen while Obama was forcing Mubarak out and telling us all how moderate the Muslim Brotherhood was.
Another foreign policy victory for the Obama administration; replace a moderate ally with a radical Islamist dictator.
Sec. of State Hillary Clinton you have brought the caring/management of your marriage to the world stage, and the world is in chaos... Go home; say nothing except to your husband, wherever he is.
Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are partly responsible for Morsi's rise to power. Many many people from around the world warned the U.S. that the Muslem Brotherhood was just a faction of Al-Quada and the Obama administration would not listen. Hillary Clinton was the worse Secretary of State the United States has seen since Alexander Haig. The Obama administration needs to bring in somebody like John Kerry who has the respect of senior Republicans and world leaders. He would make an excellent Secretary of State. U.N Ambassador Rice does not have a clue and hopefully the Republicans will block her nomination.
Wait - these idiots VOTED IN these Islamofascist dirtbags and now they're bytching to US about it????? Oh, please........
*strumming violins in the background*
Just goes to show that teaching these barbarians democracy is the equivalent of teaching a catfish how to ride a bicycle.
Islam and democracy are incompatible. but people in the middle east are scared, many are coerced into voting for a muslim candidate, or they will be a price to pay. A constitution ? Drafted by the muslim brotherhood ? Really ? Please don't insult the word constitution. I'm sure women, christians, minorities etc...were afforded the same rights as muslim men, right ? ( roll of the eyes).
They voted him in! I mean why cry now when your in fact the society that voted the tyrant in? It like crying over spilt milk. AND THE US BETTER NOT GET INVOLVED IN THERE POOR CHOICES!
Its there problem and they caused it and they should have voted for a democratic rule instead of a religious rule. This is what they wanted, and voted for. So now deal with it. Vote him out. But suffer the choice. We voted Bush in TWICE! Look at what we are dealing with now. HLSA, Constitution decay and wars. We dealt with it, so should you and stop crying about it. It is what it is. You did it as a nation, now deal wit it as a nation.
Not draft a constitution until your first President is in place? Wow. idiots. Because you don't trust the military but you do trust one single guy who represents extremists. Elections have consequences as we say here. To think all those people died just so you do a government reset. Dumb dumb dumb.
This article was deliberately written to fire up wingnut commentary by using a key Republican phrase like "forced down their throats" and the word "tyrant". Shame on you Engel. Leave them alone. They lost and there's no reason to subliminally rub it in and get them all excited by wording this article the way you did. It's interesting watching wingnuts take the bait though.
You can certainly argue that there are right wing nutcases out there. But you ain't seen nothing yet if the Muslim Brotherhood and their ilk start conquering the world. What makes you think they will stop with the middle east? People on both sides of the political stripe in the U.S. had better wake up and see that the enemy is not Republican or Democrat!! Your great granddaughters will be wearing burquas if we don't face reality.
So what are you proposing we do? Start dropping bombs or send in some troops? FOR WHAT? Let them settle their own affairs. That's just what the President is doing and I agree with him 100%.
This is the best post today! Thanks for the chuckle!
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/12/01/egypt-morsi-demonstrations-supporters.html
Tells a different story.
They have had a draft constitution, it was months in the making - and "finished" yesterday. It was approved by the Constituent Assembly of Egypt (the ones who wrote it).
What do you think Mursi added his "I have all the power" decree too? The draft Constitution wasn't scheduled to be completed for another two months, but because Mursi and the MB are worried that the Supreme Constitutional Court (SCC) would rule the new Constitution as unconstitutional, they hurried it through and Mursi will likely call for a referendum Saturday (today). Most likely, the SCC - which would have voted on the Constitution on Sunday -will be nullified by Mursi if the referendum passes.
The people of Egypt will (most likely) have a referendum on this Constitution today.
Here is the Constitution (translated): http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/egypt-s-draft-constitution-translated
It is too long to post - but can be read through the above link.
Before you start calling an entire country "Idiots," you may want to keep on current affairs. The draft has been available online for months - the English translation came out in early November. The Constitution was written not by "one" person but by the Constituent Assembly which has 100 members. Some members walked out as they did not think certain groups were being represented fairly- as 66 members of the 100 member CA were Islamists or represented more radical groups. In the end, only 75 members sat through the complete writing.
@Steve Yo - to sides to the story:
It was expected that today the Mursi supporters would be out - yesterday two hundred thousand descended on Tahrir Square to protest Mursi and the MB.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/egypt-islamists-hurriedly-approve-new-constitution
''Imagine if, after five months in office, an American president announced that he could pass any law he pleased regardless of Congress or the U.S. Supreme Court. Imagine if he said his decisions were final and inspired by God."
You don't have to 'imagine' anything; Abraham Lincoln did all of the above. He suspended Habeas Corpus, started a war without the Congressional authorization and ordered the arrest of the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.
could happen here,Morsi sounds alot like Obama.he shoved the Obama care down our throats,look for him to try a power grab also
loslo,
You're off topic. This is about Morsi and the MB. Oh but wait, I'm sorry. You're just off. How the heck are the two subjects related? Potential dictator vs. currently ineffectual house of representatives. That's just a really weird stretch.
BTW, the election is OVER. How about being a real American and supporting our country. I voted for Obama, not because he's the best president ever, but because he was so much better than ANY of the alternatives. Almost any of the republicans running would have gotten us in another frickin war. And none of them would have sent their children to fight. I'm over 55, used to vote republican and now an absolute independent. Some of you folks are just conspiracy crazy. Let's do what is right for all Americans.
Ask yourself, how many of our elected officials have children actively serving in a war zone.
Darn it.... you got me off topic too!
@loslo - it is disappointing that you think so little of the balance of powers in the United States of America and so little of the people. Obama shoved nothing down the throats of the American people. The U.S. Congress voted for and passed the legislation. The American people selected their own representatives, President Obama did not select them. The U.S. Supreme Court said the law did not violate the Constitution. So the Congress, the President, the Judiciary and the people have all weighed in on the matter and it is the law of the land. Just because you disagree with it, does not make President Obama a dictator, it makes him the president and you disenfranchised.
You're nuts!
If you spent 20-years with Reverend Wright,, You would love Morsi too!!
Oh for Christ's sake. What a bunch of obnoxious little idiots you are. No wonder your political party is falling apart.
Siara - you're correct, they are children - and dangerous and damaging to our country and beyond..
This is basically what right wing Christian fundamentalists want here in the us: "Natural Law" and "Natural Rights", meaning the Bible is the "Word of God" and America should be ruled by religious law. "Natural Rights" means that those who have the "education, wealth and leisure" should rule the United States. In other words, right wing Christians are no different than religious fanatics anywhere in the world....
Amen Siera!
Hey Chicken Little Conservatives! Get over the world control issues....... As Steve Buscemi's character said in Armageddon; "We have 1st class tickets to watch the end of the world, it's time to embrace the horror!"
When you put all the wingnuts on IGNORE, it's quite a nice place, actually.
Interesting, because the republican governor of Iowa, Terry Branstad, has handed over $100 million in welfare to an Egyptian company who appears to spport the Muslim Brotherhood and seems very eager to cut grain deals with the Egyptian government for his Farm Bureau masters.
yes Will be afraid of us, LOL
How come Obama doesn't slam Morsi for his power grab? Wait, Obama wants to do the same here in the USA. Republicans will probably get blamed for that too.
Actually, the Republican Party isn't "falling apart," it's simply playing the part, and it isn't their turn to be noisy yet. The Democrat party serves to rile-up the parasites; worthless, lazy, materialistic idiots who would rather steal than work. The Republican party serves to rile-up the drones; pedantic, hard-working, materialistic idiots who would rather work than steal. Right now, the elites need there to be an economic depression, like their was before WWII. Hard-work and austerity are too good for economies, so instead the parasites are in charge. When it's time for the war, the patriots will be in charge and suddenly the economy will boom again as the war machine fires-up. They tell you what you want to hear, you give them authority, and as a reward for being such compliant, stupid scum, you get as much lead-filled Chinese crap as you want.
It appears the cons are still drunk from Friday night in town. I'll come back after you are a bit soberer and things quiet down in the park.
Obama takes no leadership responsibility as the world longs for equal rights and freedom. The U.S. once a bright star and a pinnacle of hope for the oppressed around the world has nothing to say except to tell Syria not to use chemical weapons in their civil war. Wow, I'm even shaking in my boots with such tough talk. We are now the joke of every tyrant on the globe because we have no heart or passion for freedom. We have a gutless, cowardly left making decisions about nothing and a greedy right that is too selfish to take a stand because it may cost money. It looks like we're ripe for a fascist takeover when the walls of finance finally crumble. History will repeat itself, as it always has. What a legacy we leave for our children and grandchildren. You left-wingers better get ready for substantial hardship and a bleak future with fewer handouts because of your weak disposition. You wealthy right-wingers should be ashamed that you allowed the pendulum to swing so far left. It will cost you so much more to repair the damage inflicted from your greed and selfishness.
well, duh. This isn't news.
Morsi's no friend of the US, but he is a pal of Barry's.
As is Chavez in Venezuela and Castro. And remember he sided with the ousted president of Honduras(?) who violated their Constitution and his removal was carried out exactly according to their Constitution. Of course, we can't expect Barry to know their Constitution when he doesn't know ours. The one he took an oath, twice now, to uphold.