I hate to say it, but this is a serious problem when a country is governed by all muslims. Whereas christians have to regard women and themselves in such a way that is pleasing to God.

It is God's will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual
immorality;that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God; and that in this matter no one should wrong his brother or take advantage of him. The Lord will punish men for all such sins, as we have already told you and warned you.

( 1 Thessalonians 4: 3-6)

"Everybody thinks that democracy and freedom are a license to do whatever they want," she said.

...oi

seriously, "UNHAPPY?" men (good supposedly "god fearing" ones) treat women this way on a regular basis.

a jerk touches you on the subway? just ignore it. that is what we all do.

it sucks, it isn't right- but men being jerks is universal to ALL RELIGIONS. that is why they are religious in the first place. lots of "scripture" to justify it- in the old testament, in the writings of Paul, and in the Koran.

please don't say things are different here in the good ole christian USA. because they aren't.

please don't say things are different here in the good ole christian USA. because they aren't.

Lawbelle: The amount of christians in this country is slowly decreasing, yet people like you continue to put full blame on ALL CHRISTIANS everywhere( good ole "christian" USA).

I don't recall mentioning the USA in my above post.

However, aren't you surprised by the increase in lawlessness? I'm not. If a jerk touches you on the subway, 9 times out of 10, he ISN'T a christian.

So much for your failed analogy.

Journalist Lara Logan, back at home with her husband and two children in Washington, D.C., after suffering a sexual attack in Cairo, gets a call from President Obama. TODAY's Amy Robach reports.

Somehow Amy, I doubt that….esp since Lara has come out against Obama!

Lover of Womens Rights??? What a joke!! Sharia Law gives women NO rights!

Yeah, Obama has done a BANG UP JOB on foreign policy! No pun intended!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwB1Z8SOdU0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3_03KJDbLw

CBS's Lara Logan: The Obama Administration Is Lying To You About Afghanistan

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-20058368.html

Lara Logan breaks silence on Cairo assault

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2241374/Muslim-Brotherhood-paying-gangs-rape-women-beat-men-protesting-Egypt-thousands-demonstrators-pour-streets.html?printingPage=true

Muslim Brotherhood 'paying gangs to go out and rape women and beat men protesting in Egypt' as thousands of demonstrators pour on to the streets

Unhappy, excellent rebuttal to Lawbelle. Amazing how Christians are blamed for the world problems from the very same group that demands their protective values. You can't win in a world trying to be controlled by the lawless and non-believing. History certainly does repeat itself.

These are scared and confused little boys who are confused about their sexuality so that they take it out on the women who they recognize are much stronger then themselves.

They should be castrated, then there wouldn't be any confusion about their sexuality.

I think the women should arm themselves, and start blowing some male genitalia off.

Holly Williams should be calling Lara Logan!! She will be Egypt's next victim

I saw a protester sign on another site that read:

Obama: Your Bitch is our Dictator

Seriously, what's the problem with Muslim men? I think they fear the loss of their own sexuality. They're like a bunch of idiots running amok, finding anonymnity in a mob to perpetrate their disgusting crimes, usually against a decidedly weaker person. They install dictators who install Sharia law and hide behind their cloaks of religious righteousness. In my opinion, they may have been born male, but they certainly do not grow up to be men.

In the post-Mubarak era, activists and protesters have reported many particularly violent assaults on women. Some experts allege the government and security officials are failing to take the problem seriously. More than 700 claims of harassment were filed across Egypt over the four-day Id al-Adha holiday in late October.

Oh look - A hostile Muslim country, with our "help", kicks out one regime oppressive to women and replaces it with a bunch of Muslim Brotherhood gangsters who are ten times WORSE. Now let me put on my suprised face.

Arm yourselves, Ladies.

Egypt wises to be like the west, then you will contract the sicknesses of the west, freedom and democracy means just that. no real checks upon social life it's whatever you desire, the sad part is it's manufactured through PR campaigns to destabilize this nation so you don't pay attention to that which make us great. Islam, we''ll learn that the west is not your friend, the sad thing is Egypt has been infiltrated long ago with Marxist and Leninist ideology, Who do you think the Muslim brotherhood are? Sayyid Qutb ? May Allah bring Egypt back to it's senses, and clean this society up from that filth of ireligiousness. Amen

The USA has many "pockets" of trouble.... There is no nor ever will be a "man's Utopian Society". But, as many here have pointed out, the USA is NOT like the article of above.. not by the remotest of margins... The above article almost leaves me with no words and yes.. the Obama administration eyes and ears are "elsewhere" And He seems to care not but for his image.

I Love the USA.. I'm Free to be a Christian (at the moment). I don't need a Government handout and I thank God for it. I know, many are not as fortunate as I, but... I can say this w/o reservation:

God Bless the USA (still) and better my suffering here... than in Egypt.

Eph 5:25-29 KJV Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; (26) That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, (27) That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. (28) So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. (29) For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

Rape occurs the world over, but it is only in Muslim countries do I ever hear about mobs of men, hundreds of them in a group harassing and raping girls and women. It seems the more repressive a culture is sexually, the more likely they are to conduct sex crimes. The sad thing is, in some countries, these girls and women end up being accused of the crime of fornication and are then stoned to death while the men who are the real criminals remain free to do it again. Then you'll hear them use Islam and the Qur'an to justify their actions. It's the will of Allah. Or, they'll blame things on the influence of Western cultures - huh? Like I said, I've never heard of herds of men running through the streets raping women in such vast numbers anywhere else but in the Middle East. This isn't an influence of the West, this is a result of Islam's own sick culture!

Americans are finding it harder and harder to defend Islam.

Well, Egypt is in Africa, so yes, that is what it sounds like

Where are the Islamist vice squads to deal with such an abhorrent conduct of men? Oh... they probably blame women for not wearing enough potato sacks to make them unattractive to men...

Sounds like what is happening in Africa

Really? I didn't know Egypt moved! It makes sense though, if they moved huge stones thousands of years ago, they could possess the technology to move a country by now...

Most in the middle east have the slightest idea what they want, only thing they like to do is protest and riot.

does the koran say you cant jerk off? because that video was unnerving.shifty eyed pervs.

Sounds a lot like what goes on in "Christian" nations....like ours !

@abdulwalee - you're post wasn't up when I began writing my above post. I got to just read it as I went through to see what new posts were posted while I wrote mine. Thanks for proving my post to be accurate.

"Some activists fear that women's rights will suffer under the rule of President Mohammed Morsi, who is an Islamist."

This is just a beginning.

In most of the Muslim nations, conditions of women are horrible.

The conditions of women are worst in Sunni nations like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, UAE, Pakistan and other nations.

In Saudi Arabia, a Sunni mob raped a Shiite woman and the Saudi religious police punished the Shiite woman.

a jerk touches you on the subway? just ignore it. that is what we all do.

Then we need to stop ignoring it! If an immature cretin touches you on the subway, stand up and scream at him, "Keep your hands off me!" and then slap him! Make sure that others around you know why you slapped him. Then move as far away from him as you can get, and report the incident to the subway police.

The only way women will ever be treated with respect is if we DEMAND to be treated with respect.

Those brave Egyptian women who are willing to stand up for their human dignity are heroes, nothing less.

lawbelle

Save your anti-Christian viewpoints for an article about emergent Christianity. The comparison is pointless, and the article is about the emergent misogyny in the new Islamic Egypt. I've never seen nor heard of mobs of Christian-Brotherhood men publicly attacking women in such a sexually belligerent way. This is a trend not an isolated incident. This is not a two way street either, because the law in the US indicts sexual predators and posts their information to alarm citizens when they are released from prison back into public. And the laws in the west are based on secular reason and deterrence. There appears to be a tacit complicity amongst Muslim males that if a woman is not fully covered, she is immoral and provocative. Even an arm hair drives them wild with lust, and indignant with their anger towards her. My circle of female friends, relatives, and children are all sluts in their eyes because they enjoy a day on the beach.

Further, Christianity says to pluck your eye when it causes you to sin (personal responsibility and self restraint), while Islam mandates modesty (covering up) for the victim of the lust. The two religions offer two different approaches to the very real problem of human animal lust. No comparison.

Lastly, when Christianity is cited for delusional offenses, such as trying to force creationism in the biology classroom, I never see the Christians use the two way street argument citing Islam. And if mobs of Christians were attacking women in public venues, I doubt people would excuse it because it happens in Islam also.

I lived in Saudi with runs through Iran (pre-revolution) I watched a british woman shot for calling a Shop keeper a motherless whore with no repercussion and an entire city shut down by a female Non comm driving a duece and a half in her tee shirt. Ive always said American children should be made to spend time abroad and American woman should have to spend some time in an arab country. Real life lessons are much more able to be understood than reading about them in a slanted blog. Better yet move to Dearborn Mich and see just a small bit of this!

All the more reasons to stop sending them money and support.

The Middle East is 300 years behind the times. Antiquated values, ignorance, violence, suicide bombings.

It's too bad so many ignorant people in power still don't have any idea what fairness to all means.

Time will change things very slowly there. They're rigid and unable to decipher knowledge beyond their normal thought. Just look at the Noble Peace Prizes awarded over the last hundred years. The Middle East has about 1% of the awards, while they take up 10% of the world.. They're foolish, rigid, and stuck in a world of old fashioned values that lead to ignorant thought. That's why nobody wins the Nobel Prize there. It's a fact! I feel sorry for women and anybody else that is different from their Muslim culture. They are unyielding in their desire to be stagnant. That's their problem, not mine, but it's still sad.

Maybe they should have a Pope instead of ignorant Mullahs that do not even agree with other Mullahs in the same area. They are scatter-brained and it's all brought on by FEAR.

rockyroad, 1.4, a loser an an as$....!

Muslim girls and women are expected to work as slaves and sex and child producing machines.

What a religion in 21st century!

To save females, non-Muslims and sane Muslims, Allah must make his prediction come true and erase Islamic cult from the face of earth!

Of course, would we expect any less from a muslim-run country?

I don't necessarily believe that this has much to do with religion. It has to do with the world breeding ignorance. This is what happens when most of the people can't even read. Humans revert to being animals with basic instincts. Reading is base to any social morality and where there is no knowledge there can be no morality. And morality, while defined by religious teachings has and will always be defined by a populations will to a higher purpose.

A woman reporter has no business being amongst these animals without armed bodyguards. Standing up for what they believe in ? No, it's called women being naive. Eyptian women have no choice, they have to submit to the barbarians, but our women reporters should know better, and not go there or take an armed escort with them. Tired of hearing about this...she was lucky to escape with her life.

abdulwalee And what part of Dearborn, Michigan do you live in?

This is what the US president and Secretary of State Flintstone pushed for, the Morsi administration aka their dreamstate for the US. Does anyone see Morsi's 'presidency' lasting more than a few months. Looks like the TOAST is just about done.

"Sounds a lot like what goes on in "Christian" nations....like ours !" Liam the lame.

What an id10tic statement. Qualify your accusation with examples, or prove by your silence that you are just a self-loathing troll.

If you (including Lawbelle) think you are promoting some "enlightened" sense of racial or religious justice you are sadly mistaken. Instead, you tear down what is fair and balanced to try to lift up what is obviously perverse. Your attitude injures, it doesn't edify. Your own bigotry is exposed through your feeble attempt to expose bigotry in others.

In the Holy Bible, New Testament, the Book of Ephesians:

Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church.

In other words, always love and respect each other.

What is happening in Egypt is so sad. Mubarak should have never been removed. Its a shame & a mistake that the Obama admin. encouraged the removal of Mubarak. He was a US ally and he knew how to handle the people of Egypt.

This stuff happens in the U.S. as well by mobs who happen to be so-called Christian. Remember there is human nature evil/good regardless of religion. It's a mob mentality sort of like a riot. I'm sure there is sexual frustration, and lack of respect for womens humanity plays a part, but the issue is does the religion cause this. From what I understand, the fundamental tenets of islam toward women is to "protect their modesty". Muslim countries have jails with rapists, and Christian countries have jails with rapists. I would less blame the religion and more the regional culture and mob mentality.

Yet more proof that humans evolved from primates.

No God: females evolved, males still haven't. Anywhere on the planet.

Why most women think having sons is a higher calling/gift from god is truly one of the mysteries of the universe.

No God - that is an insult to primates. Even they have more social order than that bunch in Egypt. But it's not just Egypt, it is a mindset that is a throwback to an earlier era in Man's history. Until their cultures teach equality for all, it will never change for women - and the ladies better start teaching from the cradle. Even then, it will take generations to change attitudes.

@marlene hessler

Maybe you shouldn't get your talking points from Fox News (cough) or Rush Limbaugh. The people of Egypt kicked out a dictator and then held elections. They are dealing with the consequences of those elections. This is what democracy looks like. It's not perfect, it's not easy, and sometimes it's messy. But what you are saying is our government shouldn't have supported a democratic process, but supported a dictator, because you don't like what happened after free elections. I hope you wear boots for all that you are shovelling. You also might want to delve into our country's history, because our hands are not clean as we grew from our early days.

Fkn towel heads. Can we just nuke these primitives already?

Insult to primates? Go outside and ask them if they are insulted. There's a few standing on corner down the street now waiting for the kids to get out of school

Rocky Road...you nailed it in # 1.4 and some really misguided Obama Devotee seemed empowered to quell your speech...

This is Obama's egypt.

This is Obama,s Egypt, Obama's Libya and Obama's burning Middle East. He doesn't care about women being raped, assaulted or murdered in this region. He called for Mubarak to step down and knew what would replace him in the void. Our allies in this region surely need to watch their backs because it seems the US has gone rogue.

So my prayers to the women of this region who are now shackled by uncertainty, to the men who wish to protect their women and to their children who will live in fear and uncertainty for decades to come. Yes this is Obama's Egypt and he is sadly dragging the US down to the hearth of hell with him.

right on KhanKubla. Males in small groups or large mobs roaming the streets assaulting women and little girls, raping and beating them into serious injury is only happening in the world in the Muslim culture and lawless African territories. Can't do it in Asian countries, Can't do it in Europe, Can't do it in America (north or south) This is Muslim morality on display. They are doing it to neighbors. Men in one family doing it to women somewhere in town, meanwhile their own women cower in the house dreading the possibility that some other men will come rape them. Sometimes they get raped by a family member. This is Muslim morality. Do you see bands of moral Muslim men, policing the streets beating the crap out of the rapists ? NO you don't. Because they are not doing that. Do you see bands of moral Muslim men in the streets trying to restore order ? Organize Police forces? Pay for Police Forces? Demonstrating at Gubmint buildings demanding order? Do you see the Imams escorting women in safety while preaching to the men that must stop or pay criminal penalties while at the same time insisting their Muslim gubmints immediately create and enforce laws against such behavior. No you do not. You see none of this because they do not know what morality is. Somehow each family of men think they should protect their own women while trying to rape other women. What a warped sense of community. Or, most shameful of all, the majority stand quiet while the a***ole next door rapes women and hope the rapist won't come into his house. And of course westerners had better keep out of it, or they will band together to attack any outsiders who would like to stop the torture and rape. Afghan Men are armed to the teeth and they will shoot down a rapist unless he is in the family. So they don't have the roaming mobs, just individuals doing it.

"in a society where sex is taboo"

Ok, I'll bite. If sex is soooooo taboo, how is it that this country is soooooo over-populated?

"I keep pepper spray in my purse at all times"

That's a good place 4 it when U R in a mob, dumbazz.

*note 2 women: STAY THE FVCK OUT OF THE MIDDLE-EAST! Sheesh.

For the good of Muslim females, they should ask for ban on niqab/burkha in non-Muslim nations.

They should defy their clerics and Muslim male chauvinists by not wearing them.

If Muslim females can't help themselves, others can't help them for long against Islamic bigotry in 21st century.

littlechanges,

Man hating is not the right way to get men on your side. Just FYI.

And no, this is not the same thing in our country or other non-muslim countries. Yes we have rapists, every country does. There are always those few a**holes anywhere you go. However, try sexually assaulting a woman in any populated area in the US, Europe, Asia, etc. The other guys in the area will probably beat you within an inch of your life. In Egypt, the other men will join in with the assault. Most guys know its wrong to treat a woman like that, the Egyptian men only look at women as property and not people. Any country that we ally with needs to follow at least a minimum set of human rights. I know they need us, way more than we need them. People may not like America strong arming other countries, but if they dont treat their women, children, elderly, and other helpless people with respect, we should not associate ourselves with them. Biologically they are no different, but they grew up in a culture were the victim is the one to blame. Lets show them that culture is going to be no more.

koolyouth68 posted:

This stuff happens in the U.S. as well by mobs who happen to be so-called Christian.

What you been smoking?! This comment is total bull. Provide proof!

@willowbrook - i think he crawled out of his granny's basement and broke into her medicine cabinet...not to worry think he is heading back into the basement now.....

Such a loving and peaceful religion Islam is. WAKE up people, this is not just happening in Egypt, it's happening all over Europe from Paris to Oslo. I just got back from Paris, there are areas in that city where the police won't even go. If you're a western female your taking your life in your hands in the surrounding areas of Paris, and many other population centers in Europe. Muslim immigrants are destroying these countries. We don't need nor want this in our country. No to Muslim immigration from Northern Africa and the Middle East. Fix your own problems losers. Islam, where second tier status for females guarantees their third world status forever.

For all you Bone-Heads out there blaming Obama for this, go re-read the article. This has been going on LONG before Mubarek stepped down. HOW IN THE HELL IS THE US PRESIDENT RESPONSIBLE FOR SEX-MOBS IN EGYPT!?!

You people are un-BELIEVABLE!

One idiot commented here that western influence is responsible for this, and that western ideals make these men act out the way they do...BS in NO uncertain terms. The repression of the culture IS responsible here. Men in the middle east have no respect for women;

The 14 year-old girl in Afghanistan who spoke out against the Taliban, was shot in the head for speaking her mind. A 16 year-old girl was "gunned down" for spitting in the face of a man who had sexually assaulted her(per this article). Women are afraid to venture out because of the way men treat them. Women are stoned to death for "perceived" transgressions against their husbands in Pakistan. Women are attacked regularly across the Muslim world without trial, and the perpetrators are NOT punished.

This HAS NOTHING to do with Western influence, this is a PURELY Muslim issue, resulting from a cultural lack of respect for women and the need of the men in those cultures to be in control.

You cannot blame Obama for this and you can't blame western cultures for this, since, even though we have our own issues with women, they are FAR more respected in the west. Women in the US can go out without the constant expectation of having their clothes pipped off, though there are situations where it would be foolish to do so alone.
We are far from perfect, but we are significantly better than this.

Clearly Egyptians are incapable of self governance. These men act like wild dogs and should be treated as such.

EMPOWERING WOMEN is the ONLY WAY this mindset and misogynist mentality will greatly diminish in these cultures!!!

Remember, it was not too long ago that women were considered property in America and could not vote.

SISTERS UNITE and stand up against VIOLENCE and CONTROL over YOUR BODY!!!

Hear that GOP?

Now Egypt is learning what we can't seem to figure out: elections have consequences. Next time, I hope they pick a nice secular party.

This is such BS. It's chaos, I would imagine all street crime is up.

And while I am not blaming the women, but come on ladies, thinking you are going to do a report in the middle of a mostly male mob, in full make-up and looking impeccable, without security is foolish. Female and male reporters don't go into lawless areas here, they know better.

It sucks, but I am sure early in the morning the odds of being victimized are much lower than at night in the middle of a mob. Again, none of this is the fault of women, but they have to be aware and use some sense.

And for defending themselves, I don't think pepper spray would do much but inflame the men, no way one can pepper 20 testosterone filled young men. It might make a bad situation much worse. And I would imagine if a woman were to shot someone, she wouldn't see the light of day or be killed.

I would like to know where the dads, brothers, sons, and boyfriends/husbands are ? I can't imagine leaving my daughter or sister or gf to run around town without an escort, or even on a bus like the article stated. Pretty sure a man is allowed to use lethal force to protect his family.

And lastly, this reporter really has no excuse, the American reporter was attached recently and it was pretty bad. I know reporters need to earn their chops, but come on, you'd be safer on the front line in Afghanistan, at least there people would be protecting you.

And the anti-Muslim bigots, grow up, Egypt is probably the most lenient Arab nation in that area. And this stuff isn't happening any more frequently, and probably less, in most Arab Nations compared to western countries. Think before you speak, there are a lot of Christians in Egypt and most of the Muslims are pretty lax, women can vote. For your idiot hypothesis to be true, it would have to be all Muslim men, not just the men in Egypt who happen to be Muslim. It's fricken Egypt idiots. I know, you hate brown people and now amount of evidence is going to change you mind.

This is why your party lost the election, you inability to not blame some race for every problem in the world with no actual evidence, just pure unadulterated hate.

And for the love of god, quit blaming Obama for everything in the world. He didn't want the Muslim Brotherhood to rule, but what the F was he suppose to do. Void a foreign democratic election, invade and install the leadership the right would approve. It's like your brains can't are incapable of any logic.

Cave men, grunting the same unintelligible talking points, "me good, they bad".

Strange isn't it - Islam prohibits consumption of pork, but permits men to behave like swine.

liam,

"Sounds a lot like what goes on in "Christian" nations....like ours"

Clearly you are not an American! Or at the very least are bitter and have unrestrained blind hatred for anything American and a complete ignorance about our culture.....which if so, leave if you don't like it here. I hear the muslim brotherhood in Egypt is recruiting. Your comparision is the most ignorant thing I have ever heard. I'm not even sure why I point it out since it is so obvious....lmao.

Moving on....

rofl ORB!

My condolences and support and best wishes go out to every woman in this mess who has suffered from the outbreak of violence. As a victim of sexual harassment/abuse myself, and knowing others who have also suffered, all I can say is stay strong, Sisters, and don't let your rapist succeed in taking your life from you. Don't let them win by taking yourself-respect, decency, and happiness from you. Irregardless of what others say, you are not to blame, you are not at fault, and whatever Deity you believe in surely knows and understands and won't hold it against you.

Thus far in this message thread I have not heard a single word of support, of empathy, compassion, for those who have suffered from the outbreak in violence. All I have seen thus far is anger and blame for everyone from the President to the religion to God and to the women themselves.

Anger will only be productive if you turn that outward and focus the energy into stopping the atrocity. Blame doesn't help anyone unless you're blaming the one responsible for the evil deed. Stop blaming the religion for it--religion is words on a page, a set of precepts. By itself it is nothing and has no power to harm anyone. It's the minds of those who use that religion as an excuse for the deeds they do that are to blame.

It's what you do that matters, not whose Name you do it in!

Anywhere there is a breakdown in government, or when the government is not there to serve the people but rather to oppress them, this happens.

It's not exclusive to the Middle East, it's happened in all regions all over the globe throughout time. Starting with the nobility of England running roughshod over, and raping, the peasantry of Scotland when they conquered it; to the English Crusaders raping, pillaging and looting throughout the Middle East during the Crusades; all the way through the Dark Ages...even with the colonization of America, the army's Buffalo Soldiers raped Native American women (and Native American braves raped white women.)

Rape is not about religion. It's about control, about power, about dominance over another human being. Women are most often the target because they, in general, are physically weaker. Someone who enjoys that feeling of dominance and control will seek to rape women because we're easy. Even here in the US you have gangs of men raping a female--witness the case where a gang of 20 youths took turns raping a 14 year old homeless girl with not only their bodies but with foreign objects--and then used their cellphones to take a video of the act.

The reason you don't see it often here in the US is because the rapist knows they could be caught and harshly punished--but even here there is often a syndrome of blaming the victim. How many times have you heard someone say 'oh she was dressed liked a hooker, she asked for it' when you hear about a woman raped? A few months back there was a story about a woman at a bar who was sexually assaulted by an of-duty cop--some of the comments on that article include 'what do you expect when you go to a bar?'.

This is pretty much the same way certain factions in the middle east blame the female for an episode of rape--she was dressed wrong, or she was in the wrong place, or she wasn't with another person/male relative...

Seriously. When are we going to stop blaming the victim and start blaming the person responsible? No matter what religion they practice or even if they practice none at all, no matter what your holy book says or doesn't say, no matter what your priest/priestess/imam/prayer leader/commune leader says, in the end YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS, and it is what YOU do that matters, not whose Name you do it in!

Islam is the religion of peace...except when it isn't...which seems to be all the time.

Just to show everyone that this isn't an isolated instance of mob rape by Muslims, the religion of peace and also how they deal with it and the men who commit these crimes, read below:

Aug 2000 - A Muslim gang led by Bial Skaf terrorized western Sydney, Australia raping women and girls as young as 14.

Nov 2007 - A 19 year old woman in Saudi Arabia is sentenced to 6 months in jail and 200 lashes after she was gang raped.

Nov 2008 - 13 year old Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow is stoned to death with rocks in a stadium packed with over a 1000 spectators after the Islamic militia accused her of adultery when she reported she had been gang raped. (I am sorry, but this is just plain sick! Islam isn't a religion, it is a virus! Now don't you telling me that it's not just Muslims, that things like this happens in other non-Muslim countries. When was the last time you saw a football stadium in the USA packed to watch a 13 year old girl stoned to death after she had been raped?!!!)

Jan 2009 - A Muslim gang in Pakistan forced a Christian family to watch as their 14 year old daughter was gang raped, allegedly in order to violate her faith.

You want me to go on? I can! There are hundreds and thousands of such articles out there like these for everyone to read.

@Amanda - I like your examples, but both of those happened 800 to 1000 years ago. It makes sense that this sort of behavior continues to happen in the Middle East and by other Muslims around the world because they haven't left the Middle Ages. Today, like let's say New Orleans, you saw several rapes, but not by gangs of men, just individuals. We didn't see any of that in New York and New Jersey though in this last storm, so that doesn't make what happened in New Orleans a trend, it makes it the exception.

Attacks against women have increased in post Mubarak era since it is ruled by Muslim brotherhood and Sharia law wonder who is committing these acts? Surely not the extremist brotherhood. Think egypt needs a new spring.

Shari'a law prohibits Muslims from indulging in fornication (sex outside marriage) and rape would be classified as sex outside marriage:

o12.0 THE PENALTY FOR FORNICATION OR SODOMY

o12.1 The legal penalty is obligatorily imposed upon anyone who fornicates or commits sodomy (A: provided it is legally established (def: n11.2 (O:))) when they:

(a) have reached puberty;

(b) are sane;

(c) and commit the act voluntarily; no matter whether the person is a Muslim, non-Muslim subject of the Islamic state, or someone who has left Islam.

o12.2 If the offender is someone with the capacity to remain chaste, then he or she is stoned to death

(def: o12.6), someone with the capacity to remain chaste meaning anyone who has had sexual intercourse (A: at least once) with their spouse in a valid marriage, and is free, of age, and sane. A person is not considered to have the capacity to remain chaste if he or she has only had intercourse in a marriage that is invalid, or is prepubescent at the time of material intercourse, or is someone insane at the time of marital intercourse who subsequently regains their sanity prior to committing adultery.

If the offender is not someone with the capacity to remain chaste, then the penalty consists of being scourged (def: o12.5) one hundred stripes and banished to a distance of at least 81 km./50 mi. for one year.

Looking at another woman:

(1) It is not permissible for a man to look at a woman who is not his wife or unmarriageable relative except for her face and hands ((Maydani:) because of the necessity of her need to deal with men in giving and taking and the like). If a man is not safe from lust, he may not look at her face except when it is demanded by necessity.

And laws for Muslims in marriage are pretty specific too:

(5) (N: It is not lawful or valid for a Muslim man to be married to any woman who is not either a Muslim, Christian, or Jew; nor is it lawful or valid for a Muslim woman to be married to anyone besides a Muslim.)

A woman's place in the household:

m10.3 (A: A husband may permit his wife to leave the house for a lesson in Sacred Law, for invocation of Allah (dhikr), to see her female friends, or to go to any place in the town. A woman may not leave the city without her husband or a member of her unmarriageable kin (def: m6.2) accompanying her, unless the journey is obligatory, like the hajj. It is unlawful for her to travel otherwise, and unlawful for her husband to allow her to.) (n: In the Hanafi school, it is not unlawful for her to travel beyond city limits without a husband or member of her unmarriageable kin unless the distance to her intended destination exceeds ca. 77 km./48mi. (al-Lubab fi sharh al-Kitab (y88), 1.105).)

m10.11 When a husband notices signs of rebelliousness in his wife (nushuz, dis: p42) (O: whether in words, as when she answers him coldly when she used to do so politely, or he asks her to come to bed and she refuses, contrary to her usual habit; or whether in acts, as when he finds her averse to him when she was previously kind and cheerful), he warns her in words (O: without keeping from her or hitting her, for it may be that she has an excuse. The warning could be to tell her, ``Fear Allah concerning the rights you owe to me,'' or it could be to explain that rebelliousness nullifies his obligation to support her and give her a turn amongst other wives, or it could be to inform her, ``Your obeying me [def: (3) below] is religiously obligatory''). If she commits rebelliousness, he keeps from sleeping (O: and having sex) with her without words, and may hit her, but not in a way that injures her, meaning he may not (A: bruise her,) break bones, wound her, or cause blood to flow.

(4) If the wife does not fulfill one of the above-mentioned obligations, she is termed ``rebellious'' (nashiz), and the husband takes the following steps to correct matters:

(a) admonition and advice, by explaining the unlawfulness of rebellion, its harmful effect on married life, and by listening to her viewpoint on the matter;

(b) if admonition is ineffectual, he keeps from her by not sleeping in bed with her, by which both learn the degree to which they need each other;

(c) if keeping from her is ineffectual, it is permissible for him to hit her he believes that hitting her will bring her back to the right path, though if he does not think so, it is not permissible. His hitting her may not be in a way that injures her, and is his last recourse to save the family;

(d) if the disagreement does not end after all this, each partner chooses an arbitrator to solve the dispute by settlement, or divorce.)

TheKhanKubla said;

@Amanda - I like your examples, but both of those happened 800 to 1000 years ago. It makes sense that this sort of behavior continues to happen in the Middle East and by other Muslims around the world because they haven't left the Middle Ages.

And Joseph Kony and his LRA are out to create for themselves a Christian country based on the laws of the Ten Commandments and he's murdering thousands, raping children, and taking child brides.

And the 14 year old girl who was gang-raped by 20 males, 14 of them were adults, 6 of them were juveniles, this was in TX a year ago, and the local authorities didn't even want to prosecute. The lead investigator went over his boss's head and brought it to the attention of state authorities before they finally decided to prosecute. And even with the evidence of the cellphone video right there, the parents of the juveniles and other community members said it was the 14 year old's fault for wearing makeup and trying to dress older--they were good churchgoing members of the community and the boys were stars of the local high school football team and the parents said that allegations of rape by the 14 year old slut would ruing the boys' chances of getting into good colleges and the NFL.

It's what you do that matters, not whose Name you do it in.

Now, as to the religious aspect---

Out of the three major middle-Eastern religions, the Jews are the oldest,by some thousands of years. They have evolved past their 'let's kill everyone who doesn't agree with us' mentality.

Christianity is only about 2000 years old, and they have mostly, but not completely, evolved past their 'let's kill everyone who doesn't agree with us' mentality.

Islam was only born in 630 CE, and they are the youngest, being only about 1400 years old.

That being said, I will agree with you that Islam is bad an evil and the scourge of the earth if they are still murdering each other in the name of God in 600 years--that is to say, when they reach the same relative age that Christianity is now. However, I don't see that happening--they are making progress toward a more equal society already--Pakistan hung a group of Muslim men who raped a Christian woman; they are opening a IT college in Malala Yousufzai's name and allowing women and men alike to attend, and 50 Pakistani clerics issued a fatwa against the Taliban for trying to assassinate her. They are making progress...slowly,but they are making progress.

Jonathan said:

For the good of Muslim females, they should ask for ban on niqab/burkha in non-Muslim nations.

Why?

You do know that even in the New Testament Christian women are told to cover their hair?

If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head. A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. 1 Corinthians 11:6-7

Ever wonder why Mary is usually depicted as wearing a headscarf?

The thing is, just like the Pharisees of Biblical days, these men twist the Koran to make it fit their needs. If people were to read the Old Testament you'd find that in those days women were raped by their cousins even. Let's not forget David raped Bathsheba, then had her husband killed so he could take Bathsheba as his wife.

Amanda 201### Thanks for the info on the shari'a law. I was misinformed since I only read a small review or it.

Amanda-2017567

That's why the bill of rights and constitution are 'secular'. America was not founded as a Christian nation. The founding documents of America make NO direct reference to any verse or mandate in the Bible. That is why America is the product of the enlightnement.

Religion is an unenforcible, unprosecutable personal choice, unless one breaks the law by commiting a pious act of terrorism.

Ed Orr:

The thing is, just like the Pharisees of Biblical days, these men twist the Koran to make it fit their needs. If people were to read the Old Testament you'd find that in those days women were raped by their cousins even.

Exactly.

This is the word that Jehovah has commanded for the daughters of Zelophehad, saying, ‘To whom it is good in their eyes they may become wives. Only it is to to be the family of the tribe of their fathers that that they should become wives. And no inheritance of the sons of Israel should circulate from tribe to tribe, because the sons of Israel should cleave each one to the inheritance of the tribe of his forefathers. And every daughter getting possession of an inheritance out of the tribes of the sons of Israel, to one of the family of the tribe of her father she should become a wife, in order that the sons of Israel may get possession each one of the inheritance of his forefathers. And no inheritance should circulate from one tribe to another tribe, because the tribes of the sons of Israel should cleave each to its own inheritance.” Just as Jehovah had commanded Moses, that is the way the daughters of Zelophehad did. Accordingly Mahlah, Tirzah, and Hoglah and Milcah and Noah, the daughters of Zelophehad, became the wives of the sons of their fathers' brothers. To some of the families of the son of Manasseh the son of Joseph they became wives, that their inheritance might continue together with the tribe of the family of their father. Numbers 36: 6-12

People complain about Muslims being Allah's slaves--while forgetting that in the Bible's Old Testament God calls the Israelites his slaves;

For they are my slaves whom I brought out of the land of Egypt. They must not sell themselves the way a slave is sold. Leviticus 25:42

You yourselves have seen what I did to the Egyptians, that I might carry you on the wings of eagles and bring you to myself. And now if you will strictly obey my voice and will indeed keep my covenant, then you will certainly become my special property out of all the other peoples, because the whole earth belongs to me. Exodus 19: 4-5

And while Muslim law says that a woman who is raped has to marry her rapist,so too does the Bible:

In case a man finds a girl, a virgin who has not been engaged, and he actually seizes her and lies down with her, and they have been found out, the man who lay down with her must also give the girl’s father fifty silver shekels, and she will become his wife due to the fact that he humiliated her. He will not be allowed to divorce her all his days. Deuteronomy 22:28

And a woman being raped being stoned:

In case there happened to be a virgin girl engaged to a man, and a man actually found her in the city and lay down with her, you must also bring them both out to the gate of that city and pelt them with stones and they must die, the girl for the reason that she did not scream in the city, and the man for the reason that he humiliated the wife of his fellow man. So you must clear away what is evil from your midst. Deuteronomy 22:23-24

And Muslims pulling down religious artifacts of other religions,the Bible commands that too:

And Jehovah your God will indeed abandon them to you and rout them with a great rout, until they are annihilated. And he will certainly give their kings unto your hand, and you must destroy their names from under the heavens. Nobody will take a firm stand against you, until you have exterminated them. The graven images of their Gods you should burn in the fire; you must not desire the silver and gold upon them, nor indeed taker it for yourself, for fear you shall be ensnared by it; for it is a thing detestable to Jehovah your God. Deuteronomy 7: 23-25

And enslaving females taken in war:

Then Moses and Eleazar the priest and all the chieftains of the assembly went out to meet them outside the camp. And Moses grew indignant at the appointed men of the combat forces, the chiefs of the thousands and the chiefs of the hundreds who were coming in from their military expedition. So Moses said to them, “Have you preserved alive every female? Look! They are the ones who, by Balaam’s word, served to induce the sons of Israel to commit unfaithfulness toward Jehovah over the affair of Peor, so that the scourge came upon the assembly of Jehovah. And now kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has had intercourse with man by lying with a male. And preserve alive for yourselves all the little ones among the women who have not known the act of lying with a male.” Numbers 31: 13-17

And the Bible says you are not to eat pork;

Only this sort you must not eat out of those that chew the cud or that split the hoof, cloven: the camel and the hare and the rock badger, because they are chewers of the cud but do not split the hoof. They are unclean for you,. The pig also, because it is a splitter of the hoofbut there is no cud. It is unclean for you. None of their flesh must you eat, and their carcasses you must not touch. Deuteronomy 14: 7-8

No problem. According to liberals, we are all the same. Men get raped too, so the men must also be in just as much danger too.

Maybe they should join the army and go into combat on the front lines just like the men, since (according to the ACLU) there is no danger of being raped in times of war.

Sorry folks, but this is just what I had been saying about a previous ridiculous argument that women should be side by side with the men on the front lines of a war. I told them the rape potential was way too high, and their silly argument was that men get raped too.

2833:

I have a British Muslim friend. She and I have had a lot of discussions over the matter of Shari'a law. when Britain first gave Islam the right to have their own courts just like the Jews did (Jews have their Beth Din courts in England; the laws that allow for the Jews to have their Beth Din courts are the same laws that allow Muslims to have their Shari'a courts.) My friend said they were 'mental'. Laws for one person have to be the same laws for the next person--and she is strongly against the institution of any sort of parallel court in the US, no matter what religion it belongs to.

According to her, Shari'a law wasn't codified until about the 13th century, and it was based pretty much on the prevailing laws of the time. As my friend put it, any references to Shari'a law in a Qu'ran will indicate that it is not the true Qu'ran, because Shari'a law wasn't around when the Qu'ran was written in 629-650 CE. Likewise, while she reads the hadith, the hadith was enclosed in biographies of the prophet Muhammed's life, and it would be similar to a Christian or Jew reading a biography of Moses's life and trying to live the same way Moses did. it's not possible to do that without coming into a great deal of conflict with modern laws and ethics.

'Anachronistic' is how she referred to it--and that's a good word to describe the difference between the majority of Muslims living in the western countries and Muslims living in the Middle east. It's for that reason she says you can't lump all Muslims in with the Middle East Muslims.

Amanda-2017567

Shari'a law prohibits Muslims from indulging in fornication (sex outside marriage) and rape would be classified as sex outside marriage:

Really Amanda? Pay particular attention to # 35!!

Islamic Sharia Law in Brief

This is a very good article written by a FORMER muslim.

http://www.islam-watch.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=625:islamic-sharia-law-in-brief&catid=79:mirza&Itemid=58

20- There is no age limit for marriage of girls under Sharia. The marriage contract can take place anytime after birth and consummated at age 8 or 9.

21- Rebelliousness on the part of the wife nullifies the husband’s obligation to support her, gives him permission to beat her and keep her from leaving the home.

32- A Muslim man is forgiven if he kills his wife caught in the act of adultery. However, the opposite is not true for women since he “could be married to the woman he was caught with.”

34. The perpetrators of genocide, mass rape and plunder will not be punished if they repent - Codified Islamic Law Vol 1 # 13.

35. To prove rape, a woman must have 4 male witnesses. Women’s testimony is not accepted - Pakistan’s Hudood ordnance 7 of 1979 amended by 8B of 1980. Thousands of raped women and girls in many countries have been charged with Zena (physical relations outside marriage) and punished by Sharia courts for want of witnesses.

36. All modern music including sexually explicit music of any kind is strictly prohibited and punishable by Islamic Sharia code of justice. Only Islamic songs are allowed.

You are practicing Taqiyya!

33-It is obligatory for a Muslim to lie if the purpose is obligatory and is known as Taqiyya (Islamic Deception). That means that for the sake of abiding with Islam’s commandments, such as jihad, a Muslim is obliged to lie and should not have any feelings of guilt or shame associated with this kind of lying.

"Walk like an Egyptian..."

We interrupt this religious argument to bring you a breaking geography bulletin:

• Egypt IS in Africa.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled bickering already in progress.

Ashley Penn:

Best laugh I've had all day! Aren't we all sounding like little kids arguing over whose imaginary freind is better? I will admit I get suckered into these discussions waay too easily!

Fed Up With Fed:

Thank you for your post above--and I mean that honestly. I went through and researched every point you made on here, keeping an open mind about the context both religious and historical, that each was written. You've given me some interesting research points and I can't wait till the weekend when I can research this more thoroughly.

Then I went and researched who wrote the talking points you mentioned.

Syed Kamram Mirza says the Qu'ran is a manmade book and that it contains many historical, ethical, and logical contradictions and scientific flaws (which I have no problem with--all books are manmade and written by man, so any Divine revelation is definitely subject to man's interpretation.) He is someone who has left Islam and now speaks against it--but in reading his interview with Frontpage, I found that he sounded much like someone who left Christianity because they disagreed with some of the precepts and went in completely the opposite direction. He himself couldn't read the Qu'ran for himself until late in his teens, since he didn't know Arabic and he had to depend on what his religious teachers told him, and it wasn't until he learned to read his Holy Book did he decide that everything he'd been taught was a lie and he renounced Islam. While some of the things he has written (and that you quoted below) do make sense, some of what he's said has been taken out of context or not verified with older scholars of Islamic law.

20- There is no age limit for marriage of girls under Sharia. The marriage contract can take place anytime after birth and consummated at age 8 or 9

Incorrect. A marriage cannot be consummated until both parties have reached baligh, or sexual maturity; for a girl, this is defined as her first period, her first nocturnal emission (sexual dream resulting in sexual discharge, or achieving the age of 15 years old. For boys it's the first nocturnal emission or 15 years old. However, a betrothal/engagement can be arranged soon after birth.

21- Rebelliousness on the part of the wife nullifies the husband’s obligation to support her, gives him permission to beat her and keep her from leaving the home.

Read my above post at 1.76. Rebelliousness on the part of the wife gives her husband permission to hit her so long as he does not wound her, bruise her, break bones, draw blood, and yes, he can keep her from leaving her home. (I do the same thing to my rebellious kids; spank them when they're bad and ground them from going out to play with their friends.) Withdrawing support means he can refuse to give her a turn with his other wives, or divorce her--or she can divorce him.

32- A Muslim man is forgiven if he kills his wife caught in the act of adultery. However, the opposite is not true for women since he “could be married to the woman he was caught with.”

Incorrect. Either male or female can be charged with adultery, and in the Qur'an the husband has no authority to execute punishment for it on the basis of his own judgment. If he suspects guilt on her part, he can accuse her by prescribed oaths before a court 'May God strike me dead if I lie' sort of thing. But the wife can avert punishment by rejecting the charge through similar oaths.

34. The perpetrators of genocide, mass rape and plunder will not be punished if they repent - Codified Islamic Law Vol 1 # 13.

Of course. And Catholic priests who molest children will still get to go to heaven since they have accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior.

35. To prove rape, a woman must have 4 male witnesses. Women’s testimony is not accepted - Pakistan’s Hudood ordnance 7 of 1979 amended by 8B of 1980. Thousands of raped women and girls in many countries have been charged with Zena (physical relations outside marriage) and punished by Sharia courts for want of witnesses.

Incorrect. To prove adultery, you needed four eyewitnesses to the act, and the Qu'ran does not specify the eyewitnesses need to be a specific gender:

And those who calumniate chaste women but bring not four witnesses--flog them with eighty stripes and never admit their evidence hereafter, and it is they that are the transgressors. Quran 18:5

36. All modern music including sexually explicit music of any kind is strictly prohibited and punishable by Islamic Sharia code of justice. Only Islamic songs are allowed.

Music is not forbidden in Islam; the Islamic Empire gave the world the first romance music when the harem ladies of the royal courts set the love poetry of the Arabs to music. What they reject is the Westernized music that advocate drinking, fornicating/extramarital sex, drugs, murder, (face it, practically all the songs coming out of pop music these days deals with one of these things.) Music that glorifies God and praises Him is definitely not forbidden, as are any songs that advocate living a clean life and following God's commandments (though songs referring to a Holy Trinity are forbidden.)For example, my British Muslim friend has John Denver's 'Calypso' and 'Rhymes and Reasons' and 'Eagles And Horses' on her mp3 player; Journey's new song 'Never Walk Away', Aly and Aj's 'No One' and 'On The Ride', but listening to some of the songs on my MP3 player like Poison's 'Nothing But a Good Time', Def Leppard's 'Pour Some Sugar On Me', Van Halen's 'Oh Pretty Woman' and Bon Jovi's 'Someday I'll Be Saturday Night' would be anathema to her. However, she has asked her imam if Bon Jovi's 'Lost Highway', 'Any Other Day', 'We Weren't Born to Follow' and 'Love's The Only Rule' would be ok for her to add to her listening library. If none of these songs sound familiar to you I recommend you look them up and think objectively about the focus of each song.

33-It is obligatory for a Muslim to lie if the purpose is obligatory and is known as Taqiyya (Islamic Deception). That means that for the sake of abiding with Islam’s commandments, such as jihad, a Muslim is obliged to lie and should not have any feelings of guilt or shame associated with this kind of lying.

The 'Reliance Of The Traveller, which was written by Ahmad al-Misri (who died in 1368, which shows you how old this is) does not contain any reference to taqiy'ya. Neither does the Qu'ran. The sole reference to this may be this verse:

Whoso disbelieveth in Allah after his belief - save him who is forced thereto and whose heart is still content with the Faith - but whoso findeth ease in disbelief: On them is wrath from Allah. Theirs will be an awful doom. Qu'ran 16:106

The practice of taqiy'ya arose during the Spanish Inquisition, when all non-Catholics/Christians were persecuted and it was written into Shi'a law so that Shi'ite Muslims wouldn't feel guilty about practicing their faith in secret. The Sunni Muslims never officially embraced it, although they too practiced it during the Inquisition. However, the original edict made it clear that holding fast to one's faith and dying for it was far better than hiding it and practicing in secret, and it also made it clear that this was only permissible in times when one's life was in danger. If there is no direct threat to your life it is not allowed.

Amanda "As a victim of sexual harassment/abuse myself, and knowing others who have also suffered, all I can say is stay strong, Sisters, and don't let your rapist succeed in taking your life from you."

I'm Catholic. Many Catholics think for themselves and separate religion from State. They really need to be separated. We also know that corruption exist everywhere. Never blindly listen to anyone. We don’t have to wear head covering and I would be the first to give someone the boot if they told me to. We love being free to decide for ourselves. Again, I’m sorry for what happened. If you were my child, I would have you learn Martial Arts and how to shoot a 38 at least. Some people really don’t want to mess with someone who can take them out. Don’t forget free weights. I just can't say how sorry I am you were hurt. I'm glad you are strong. Wish I could fry the guy that did this to you.

Amanda: When it comes females, it is crap and madness unlimited in Islam.

What followers of a religion do is more important, then the big load of scriptures and their explanations.

With the current realities of state of females in Muslim nations, you can dump all the scriptures including Quran into the nearest garbage dump.

Gossamer wings:

While the Bible says that you do, different people interpret the Bible differently, and cherry-pick what they want out of it. That's fine. Religion is less about following a Holy Book that someone else wrote and more about following the dictates of one's own heart.

I practice Kumooyeh, Korean sword disciplines--and it was adequate to keep a stoner from breaking into my house a year or so ago. No matter how stoned you are it's hard to ignore a sword held to your throat.

As for 'the guy who did this to me'--well, it was several, and it wasn't illegal, since I had no rights, being in a deportation camp as an undocumented. (I was adopted as an infant, never told before Dad and Mom passed away in a car accident, declard undocumented by Immigration because I couldn't give them a copy of the adoption paper when they lost it) The guards could, and did, whatever they wanted to, and none of it was illegal, so just had to suck it up and deal.

But thank you very much for your kind thoughts.

Amanda, your lengthy quotations from the Kuran and the Old and New Testaments are truly interesting and enlightening. But I'd like to make this point:

The Jews and the Christians certainly had some pretty ugly ideas in our original Bible, but our societies have understood the need to move on, to adapt to a changing and modern society. This is what the Muslims have not been able to do! Once upon a time in Jewish and Christian history, the priests and rabbis actually did rule over their people. They decided how people should live and how society should conduct itself. They were the ruling class, and it was certainly in their interest to keep the people subservient. Thankfully, we've evolved and today this isn't so. But look at the Muslims. Why are there no Nobel Laureates from Muslim countries? Why are they not scientists or intelligentsia who lead world progress? Why? Because their religious leaders STILL rule them and their minds, and prefer to keep them poor and uneducated so that this can continue. Why don't the leaders in Gaza use the money that the entire world gives them to build schools, infrastructure, educate their kids, etc? Because they prefer their people to be stupid, poor, and under their thumbs.

As for your British Muslim friend, I truly wish they Mulims who immigrate to Europe and the U.S. would be like her. Instead, they go to other countries with the aim of bringing their Muslim society with them and forcing it on to their new country (the don't have to fight - all they have to do is keep on having 10 kids/ family in a country with close to 0% growth in its native population - in 2 generations Muslims will be the majority in most European countries). How about honor killings in Michigan? Does this sound like a Mulsim family who came to the U.S. in order to BE AMERICAN????? We have never seen this before - all other immigrant groups to the U.S. are proud to adopt American ways. Not so with the Muslims.

Sadly for us Christians and Jews, Muslims do not want to be part of the modern world. Just the population growth will assure them of control over the world one day in the future. I'm glad I won't be around to see it.

Train and arm the women for a change. Prop up a female dictator for awhile in Middle East countries and things will adapt. The media could put a catchy name on it like Arab moms whip a$$.

Train and arm the women for a change. Prop up a female dictator for awhile in Middle East countries and things will adapt. The media could put a catchy name on it like Arab moms whip a$$.

Stupid bubblegum.

tobie:

The Jewish religion is thousands and thousands of years old. Jesus, Mary and Joseph were middle Eastern Jews. Jesus was the one who founded Christianity which is roughly 2000 years old.Islam was only founded somewhere between 629-650 CE. It makes their religion right about 1400 years old.

When Christianity was 1400 years old--that is to say right around the Age of Discovery--they too wanted the common people to be stupid, poor, and under their thumbs. They went through their period of 'let's kill everyone who doesn't agree with us right about that same era too.

Fast forward to now--Islam is going through their 'let's kill everyone who doesn't agree with us' right around their 1400 birthday--same as Christianity. The only difference between all of the Abrahamic belief systems is where they are in their religion's evolution; which ones have been around long enough to evolve past their 'I want everyone to think exactly as I do' and which ones haven't been around long enough to have learned that lesson yet. Islam simply hasn't been around long enough to have learned that lesson yet

If they are still behaving this way in 600 years--when they have reached the same relative age that Christianity is now--with no visible improvements, then yes, I'll agree with your assessment that 'Muslims don't want to be part of the modern world'. But I feel quite strongly that they too, will evolve, and it will be forward-looking young Muslims like my friend, like Malala Yousufzai, and the millions like her, who are going to inherit the Muslim world from their much-less-enlightened elders.

And one more thing--you said there are no Nobel winners who are Muslim/from Muslim countries--incorrect.

Anwar Sadat--first Muslim to ever win the Nobel Peace Prize, 1978.

Yasser Arafat (jointly with Shimon Peres and Yitzhak Rabin) Nobel Peace Prize 1994

Shirin Ebadi--first Muslim woman, first Iranian to win Nobel Peace Prize for her efforts to advance democracy, womens' and childrens' rights, 2003

Mohammed Baradei--Egyptian, advancing and advocating non-destructive uses for nuclear energy, and also for advocating safety measures for nuclear plants, 2005

Muhammed Yunus--First Bangladeshi Muslim to win Nobel Peace Prize for creating economic and social development for underserved minority populations, 2006

Tawakel Karman-Yemeni, female leader of the Arab Spring uprising, Nobel Peace Prize advocate for women and childrens' rights, 2011, youngest Nobel laureate ever.

Naguib Mahfouz,--Egyptian, author,won Nobel Prize for literature, 1988

Orham Pamuk--Turkey, author, Nobel Prize for literature, 2006

Abdul Salam--Pakistani, physicist, Nobel Prize in Physics 1979

Ahmed Zewail--Egyptian, chemist, Nobel prize for chemistry, 1999

Note that all of these have been within the last 50 years--which means that Muslims are indeed taking steps to reconcile science with religion and taking steps to join the modern world. I would say this is evidence of the 'visible improvement' being looked for in Islamic thinking.

Were Americans; We want it now! Those prizes are given for political purposes by imbeciles to just about anyone. They gave one to Al Gore for inventing the internet or was that for scientific research on global warming? Did not most of those Yahoo's go to college in western countries? There is nothing Islamic about that.

'Men don't have to worry about being caught': Sex mobs target Egypt's women

This title needs to change. These are not "Sex mobs", these are "RAPE mobs."

This story is heart breaking to me for personal reasons. About twenty-thirty years ago I was attacked on the street in one of the largest cities in the United States, a city which strides the Mighty Mississippi River. It was after dark, but the hour was not late. Two young brothers from Egypt, here in the US to go to school, hearing my screams ran down to the street from their apartment to help me. The Young US thugs who were brave enough to attack an unarmed woman, whom they outnumbered, were not brave enough to stand their ground when two young heros from the River Nile threw their own hats in the ring and the thugs, tucking their tales between their legs, ran off. Although the brothers did not actually have to fight, they did not know that when they left their apartment. They laid their lives on the line for a stranger. Me! The Egyptians advised me their mother was upstairs in their apartment, then invited me to go upstairs and call the police. After the police left, I sat at the table with the mother and talked with her for about an hour or an hour and a half. The sons said very little, except---fairly often---when they needed to translate. The mother's English was very poor, but when she apoligized for that, I reminded her that her English was, in fact, A LOT BETTER than my command of her language. Did we solve any problems of the World in that talk? Of Course, not! It was about as trivial and mundane a conversation as I have ever had with anyone. It was also one of the most treasured conversations I have ever had with anyone. After awhile, the brothers walked me back to my house and stayed on the sidewalk till I was safely inside my door. I have thought of them often since then. I have prayed for the three of them often, since then.

Women in every culture on earth are treated as unequals even in America there is still not equality. Men and women are very different, but that doesn't mean equality in society. I would find it very difficult to be a muslim woman, they seemingly have the shortest end of the stick in every culture. Why don't the men reverse roles with them for a day to see how difficult it would be??

A woman has carried every single child on earth, male or female, and the respect isn't given as deserved.

Not in egypt. Not in islam. It's just fine.

Islam, coming soon to America.

i don't see how it would make one damn difference.

Move to Egypt and find out.

Castrate them? I have a better idea. Castration would only stop a physical rape, not the sexual harrassment, touch-feely, women-hating behavior. I think empowering the women to "put them to sleep" on the spot, would be a great deterrent! A nice Ruger could work wonders in these situations...no questions asked. Oh, well, I can have my fantasies. Seriously, though....woudn't that be great? The immature, hate-filled little bastards would have a tendency to just go away.

Actually...they need martial arts training and hand gun training. A woman can be an excellent marks-woman when she's cornered. I'll be she could have taken out at least 13 or 14 if the clip would hold that many rounds.

People abuse others that they think they can dominate with impunity. The PURPOSE of a gun is to allow a weaker person to protect themselves from stronger and more dominant individuals with bad intent.

Those burkas are perfect for concealed carry. A .45 with hollow points will send a message to those dirt bags. Let the women terrorize the men for a while. A .45 under every burka and a chicken in every pot.

Take a bully and whip his A** and he'll leave you alone. Kill his A** and he'll DEFINITELY leave you alone.

Castration takes the mental desire for sex away too.

Muslim females wear niqab/burkha even in Muslim majority nations. This reality confirms that Muslim males are very dangerous to females.

These days, Muslim females are doing suicide bombings wearing niqabs/burkhas in many places.

Why don't the females blow up some Muslim cleric/mullahs, who insist on females wearing niqabs?

Muslim females have to rebel or else their conditions will be only worse.

Once again, rockyroad and the people who like his post, losers and asse$.........

Lawbells quote "i don't see how it would make one damn difference"

Then you live in complete ignorance. Go on over there and see what it's like to be a westernized female in a world dominated by men, go on over there and then we will talk. Any religion that can get people on their knees with their rears in the air 5 times a day, 7 days a week is complete indoctrination, way more than a religion. Where they "tent" women, hide women, and keep the uneducated and second class for life. Sell your ignorance elsewhere, we're full up on here already.

Muslim females are very weak-minded, the result of centuries of oppression I guess. They have Stockholm syndrom to the max !

There are more progressive countries like tunisia where they enjoyed more freedom,but fundamentalism is rearing its ugly head there, and they are now being harassed and attacked for dressing "western". Even tourists. Those half-wits won't stop until they turn back the clock to the 7th century..

It's sad, but the only leader that can "govern" an arab country is a dictator, that is all they understand.

Rockyroad ... Islam is just about the only thing that can make 48 million misogynist Catholic latinos in the U.S. seem less onerous to women and American society. Both are going to wreak havoc on females in this country, much more so than what we've seen over the last 30 years with the evangelical muttonheads. When it comes to females living in peace, Canada looks better and better every day.

One of the reasons the Far Right in this country lost out politically is because of a fear that a sharia Christian rule could be handed down - barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen would suit them just fine. It isn't about religion, it's about power.
In current muslim ruled countries, with poverty and ignorance abounding, most of those loser low level males will never amount to much in their society's pecking order - but, by allah, they'll dominate that wifey (1 or 4). It's the only power trip they'll ever know. An "uppity woman" on the street is apparently fair game as well.
Until women were "freed" with suffrage, access to birth control, and the chance to enter the workplace (other than as a nanny or servant) - in the US - life wasn't a whole lot better for them here. But good grief, rape squads weren't rallied on a daily basis, either.
Just close the door on the ME and 'stans, let them duke it out, and close the door to immigration from there. (Except for the Coptic Christians from Egypt - they'll be needing a place soon, looks like.)

Rockyroad: Islam is already in America. It is possible that Saudi funded Salaffi and Wahhabi mosque is not your street.

With sanctions on Iranain oil and high oil prices, a mosque may be coming soon in your street.

What is so alarming to me in this segment is that sex crimes on women is not new to Islam or any number of countries- Cambodia, Vietnam, India, North Korea- Somaliland-any area where woman are not seen as equal. Has anyone read "Half the Sky"? It's time to stop pointing at the problem and "hating" the men and the situations and start to find ways to empower the women- give them the power to send their children to school, to start businesses, to create opportunity. Stop female genital mutilation, stop violence against women and children and provide education and opportunity. Click here to see how you can help.

Islam, the religion for pervs and neanderthals. Just ban it like Druidism.

Question: why does the West get riled about this? Do they not know what Muslims are all about?...women there are chattel, worse actually, nothing more. The worst degradation is rape...so that's what they do and because they can and there will be no punishment from anyone, let alone the UN, Eu or USA!

It sounds as if the ones we should arm in Egypt are the women.

"Unhappy" - Really ?.. you are using this story to claim Religious/moral superiority ?... oh brother. you are either a liar or an idiot, to profess such nonsense. just because someone describes themselves as a Christian, that is not a reliable indicator they are any more (or less) morally superior than anyone else. Folks should be qualified by their actions, not their words... talk is cheap. By comparing Religions based solely on the actions of this third world rabble, you seek to Divide folks against another Religion... instead of just holding the animalistic men in question, responsible for their actions... their are good (and bad) people Everywhere, including Egypt. and Bad people don't need a reason to perpetrate a crime, they merely need an opportunity to get away with it... which is the Focus of this story. you cannot Elevate the image of Christianity (or any other faith) by comparison to these useless Despots... you only create further division and conflict... Haven't we have ENOUGH of that ?

I know I Have...

Have a better day.

The egypt national guard? Really? They're rapists.

We are subsidizing the populations of these countries. We are feeding the mouths that continue to reproduce and are unable to feed themselves or their children.

European women need to start having more babies!!

You people are forgetting that British invented the founatainheads of Islamic extremism, especially Sunni ones, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

We kept them on the map by going to wars and doing their dirty jobs such as removing Saddam with Iraqi wars.

The same ungrateful and backstabbing Saudi Sunni rulers are paying back in Egypt (their proxies have captured power in Egypt and many other places) and by funding their hate preaching and killer training mosques all over the world!

Sorry, they have outsourced their dirty jobs on Syria and Iran too!

Now Saudis and other Sunni Arab League rulers can have more girls and women in their harems as high oil prices are making them richer.

You sound like you live in a vacuum. have you condemned all Egyptians? this ancient land has more to ofer than a group of sex crazed people who have be corrupted by MTV

abdul-really what does it have to offer? I'm curious as a female can I say for example wear shorts and a t-shirt around your fair land. If I wanted to chat with a man can I look him in the eye? How about a little alcohol am I allowed to do that? Please inform me of the freedoms of your great society. I just can't wait to visit...sounds like tons of fun.

Arab states have brought nothing but oppression, death and mayhem to every corner of the planet. All under the guise of a "peaceful Islam".

911 terrorists - Islam. Lockerbie? Islam. Iran hostages? Islam. Munich '72? Islam. Saddam Hussein.. imprisoned and murdered thousands including children under 12 years of age. Islam. Women as property? Islam.

I could go on and on...and on but, Abdul you wouldn't see it. Because of course, the West and freedom is really the culprit in your eyes. No reason to take responsibility for your own actions.

Abdul - If you live here and hate it so much you can leave. That is of course before you get to carry out your mission of terror. Too bad we don't know what you're planning to blow up...... Or do we?

...says abdulwalee, writing safely from Detroit.

LOL !!!!!!!!

meh - sadly, that's about the size of it - part of the problem is likely that most of the smart, educated, and tolerant persons of islam already LEFT, leaving the dumbest and most ignorant citizens who can't move, behind.
All across the ME and 'stans - shallow gene pool remains.

That's funny...that's more or less the same thing that was done with a lot of small countries that the US had dealings with since World War II. We've been beating the drum for democracy, (or republic-ism, if we really want to be honest). I find it interesting that the first true democracy didn't try to invite other countries to the party...in fact they pretty much sat over there and were quiet. Maybe there's a reason for that. And for those of you who are saying to yourselves (or those near you) "But the United States was the first democracy!", you need to do some research. The first democracy was Iceland and it's still a democracy. But then...the Vikings were a pretty democratic lot. The King himself had to ask permission to come onto your land. He may be the King, but your land was YOURS and you had the right to deny him entrance. Interesting concept, no?

You gotta break a few eggs............................

We've NEVER been a democracy. We are a Constitutional Representative Republic.

omegaman22

"democratization" of Iraq the alleged policy of GWB

Why, yes... It was a successful policy that democratized Iraq. Look at their government structure today. Democratically elected national leaders. Democratically elected representatives. Mobs of men NOT raping women.

What does STFU mean?

MRZ-1191248You gotta break a few egg

Most people don't want to be scrambled up and mixed with a bunch of other ingredients.

The chief in this case is a class warfare slick talker who plays on people envy and greed.

Example:

Hidden in the ObamaCare / ACA are 4.7% tax increases to people making over 200/250K which puts their tax rate starting in 3 weeks at 39.7%

So Obama got his tax increase on the rich of 13% in additional taxes but he wants to let the Bush tax breaks expire pushing the 39.7% to 44.3% or a 26.5% increase in taxes on same people.

If the "rich" are forced to pay 26.5% more to help increase revenues then WE all should pay more.

Let the Bush tax break expire on everyone.

@Randy, way to stay on topic; ADD much?

Bill H; and what was GWB's intent on invading Iraq? We know he said it was to rid Saddam of his wmd which we also know didn't exist. Yes, Saddam was evil, but look at what has happened since he was overthrown and killed. Those people haven't had a single day without a bombing somewhere, and Obama did uphold his promise to get majority of US Troops out of Iraq, and send more back to Afghanistan where the Taliban and Al Qaeda were based then they planned and carried out the events of 9/11/01.

MJ from Seattle - Mother is Patricia ?

C.B.

The muzzies would just find another excuse to riot.

Your consent has been carefully manufactured

The American ambassador was sodomized prior to his murder.

Completely untrue, but why let facts get in the way of Fox lies when you can add fuel to the fire.

Didn't they conclude that those four people in Benghazi died from smoke inhalation and were never sodomized and/or tortured? Just sayin.

Francella - The Jews only returned to their homeland, which they were kicked out of by the Roman Empire some 1900+ years ago. So explain how the Jews are stealing anyone's land.

Francella: If the damn Muslims would stop trying to kill Jews, there wouldn't be a problem.

jw101 Ambassetor Stevens was not raped stop making his death more tragic than it was . His death is bad enough

Yeah, especially since the Obama administration kept lying about it so it wouldnt hurt his campaign. But then he gave libs more free stuff and promised to make the evil rich people pay for all of it so all is forgiven.

No, Israel is a clear example of what the ARabs have to deal with: Arrogant murdering thugs.

No muslim man has ever been able to satisfy any woman at any time. That's why they are the way they are.

I agree 100%. Where I currently live, kids have to go to the toilet, they often do it on the street - boys and girls. Men have to go, they go sometimes in public. Go the a public toilet and as often as not, the doors are left open and women see men at the urinal. It used to look like a freak show to see that. NOBODY here takes a second notice. Nooooobody cares. I don't see kids getting abducted, women raped and all sorts of things.

People always want what they can't have and they want to look at what they aren't normally allowed to see.

This idea that sex is dirty with all of it's rules and taboos is the underlying basis for most sexual crimes.

I have a nephew in the US who works for a company that serves the movies in the hotels. He tells me that by looking at the logs of movie sales in the hotel's computers, that when big "religious" conventions come to town, their sales of PORN jump 400%. He says, "Yup. We sell four times as much porn when the so-called upright religious people come into town. They get into a hotel room and they can watch what they want and nobody knows what they are doing."

I've ran across more perverts at church than anywhere else. I've even had a woman at church admit she's a pervert and another, a very attractive mother of two confide that she enjoys porn...and that's at CHURCH!

I've had female friends who've related some horror stories about Muslim men trying to have sex with them.

I think the idea of sexuality has been totally perverted by religion before it has been by the perverts of today. Personally, I think that "religion" has perverted a lot of things.

What church to you attend?

Sign me up!

All I want to know is what those poor 72 virgins did to have to be with the one guy? Is his heaven their hell?

This lie that the federal government perpetuates about installing "democracy" in the Middle East, is complete rubbish. It takes an intelligent and advanced society to even comprehend a democracy or idea of a republic. A 7th century throwback culture like that of Islamist Egypt, will never have "democracy." In the 5,000 years of existence of Egypt, it has always been ruled by some authoritarian tyrant. Is it no surprise that a primitive culture would act so violent and oppressive toward women? Women in the states should arm themselves. The federal government are letting in hundreds of thousands of uneducated and largely criminal third worlders that have absolutely zero respect for women.

That's why the culture makes the women wear those burkas. Someone apparently knew that this would happen long before we Westerners figured it out. This is why....to protect the women from two-legged animals who's knuckles drag the ground.

These guys need to come out of the stone age and into the 21st century.

Freedom requires mental and emotional maturity, self discipline and personal responsibility. That appears to be lacking in that culture....well, it's lacking in the West too...but not like this.

Yeah, those were some nasty, ugly, smelly, uneducated bastards. Thank god our french journalist escaped alive and without being raped...

Why does it always come down to somebody's fault? We have been providing aid to Egypt for decades and you think the Dems. are to blame for such behavior?

Get serious!

True on the war on women. Senator Kennedy has a confirmed kill. But on the taxes, democrats don't have to pay them. For the most part, they're in the "taker" side of the equation.

JJ our foreign aid goes to most of the countries in this world and not all of them are like the muslim, so your analogy is mute.

God is pretty powerful. Having created all of the stars in the heavens, the planets around our solar system...think about it.....BILLIONS of stars just like our Sun. Imagine the POWER it takes to create all of that. If God is all knowing, in all places at all times and didn't want this to happen, surely God would have struck these people down dead or caused them to do something other than this.

Certainly God would not want a woman's mind, heart and soul traumatized for all of her life. If God didn't want it to happen, then God had the power to stop it. God knew it was gonna happen but he allowed the women to get raped and shot.

I can't imagine that God would have condoned it by just sitting by watching it happen.

God has a plan for everyone's life. I guess God's plan for her was to get raped. (In Islam, they come out and say that if it happened, then it was God's will. As for the Christians, I guess God didn't want to stop it.)

(That was a satire in case some didn't quite catch that)

Yes. They also believe that in order to prove rape there must be 4 male eyewitnesses and that if a woman is raped and cannot provide those eyewitnesses, she should suffer an "honor killing".usually by stoning.

Mom how many of those 4 or how many eyewitnesses would admit to seeing it?

God Left America.

There no blessing.

America is doom to fall.

Are you that blind to the facts?

That is incredibly cynical.

God hasn't left America, Obama is still here...........................

The devil in blue jeans?

In this case, no. It was invented by a pedophile named mohamat. muslims consider him their "perfect man". He's the one that thought up islam, with an assist from satan.

Actually, if you stop and think about it. This is the land that the Bible came from...this area of the world. If you want to know what kind of world Jesus lived in, then just look at Egypt, Afhanistan, Iraq, Iran....the same mentality you see on the TV is the same that was prevalent 2,000 years ago. The same strange, radical notions....minds....wrote the Koran, the Bible and probably the Torah. The books of the bible were written long after Jesus died and by people of the same kind of culture who took it from memory as it was orally handed down to them...or wrote their own "opinions".

I don't believe ANY 'holy book' was written by any god....I don't care how much the 'book' says that it was and that we shouldn't challenge the thought.

The current God Concepts are a bit warped and that is a great deal of our troubles. Muslims think they have THE answer and all others are wrong; Christians the same; Jews, ditto.

They all have to either kill you or convert you so that they can prove to God that that they are on "his side".

Please note that islam has only been around about 1400 years, and prior to it, the Arab world and surrounds - including Egypt - had some of the most intelligent and thoughtful persons in history. (And a lot of subsistence farmers by the Nile, but they are still there unchanged by time). Women were not treated so poorly back then, but look where they are now. Sad fall from grace.

They're actually busy speaking out about violence against women in THIS country.

The Beev: we have to be politically correct. We are not allowed to bash Muslims or we will be labeled Islamphobic. We cannot criticize sharia law. I find it ironic that the liberals who push these policies are the ones who are hated by these people the most. Oh well, let them fend for themselves.

so far you have the most irrelevant comment on the site-Congrats!

It's actually a liberal stance. Look at Bill (BJ) Clinton, and the women who claim were raped by him. He's a democrat. And Senator Teddy Kennedy has a confirmed "kill" in the war on women. Other Kennedy men have codified sexual abuse as a Democrat property. Our own President Stinky (BO) will ignore what's going on as it will make him and his fellow co-religionists look bad.

Why do you you feel compelled to constantly blame Liberals when in fact our country was founded on liberalism, the idea or concept that people can make choices, your stance i assume is conservative i can understand but to constantly point a finger does not result in problem solving. A simple mind points out problems and takes no responsibility ie your comments on ted kennedy and Bill Bj Clinton what about all the conservatives who have molested children? A complex mind will analyze the situation and work towards a solution not point a finger! Choice was a foundation of our country, study the concepts of the Federalist papers, the compromises during the creation of our Constitution. None of our founding fathers just seem to sit there and blame the other for the situation they were in, they worked towards a solution resulting in the constitution which protects our liberal freemdom to make decisions.

baw1 - President Stinky (BO) has made a pretty nice career out of blaming others, and having no real skills, and having never produced anything of value. He did it when he was a child in Hawaii, he did it as a community organizer, he did it as a state senator, he did it as a US senator, and he does it now, every day, in every way.

Stevejc42, I agree w you regarding our president, but remember article I, II of the Constitution defines the powers of each of those branches of Govt, Just because the Executive Branch is run by a Democratic Party member, our Legislative branch has refused to budge on multiple issues that results in standstill that the executive branch has no control over. That is what our politicians in the current political atmosphere do, they take no personal responsibility and further erode many aspects of our constitution in its original form, however society and culture has evolved from what we were in 1789 and we cannot run our country based on a document created in 1789 which why the Founding Fathers created a "Living Breathing Document. My comments were not in defense of or support of our govt, I just dont see where ppl on here placing blame on any president for an event in a foreign country is our business. Not that isolation is the answer, history has taught us that isnt the direction to go in. appreciate the discussion but lets not just pigeon hole 1 president. Our current history is a result of decades of culture, protest, and wars. It is not the result of 1 president who we perceive is erroding our liberties, President Adams violated our liberties, Andrew Jackson bypassed checks and balances, LIncoln suspended habeas Corpus, Wilson freedom of speech, FDR censored the press. This is all nothing new in our history, Bush 's Patriot Act (still in place) Obama affordable care act(hasnt even been put in place yet).

Stevejc --- That statement about "legitimte rape" was very poorly phrased and did not mean AT ALL that ~~~ANY rape was acceptable~~~and Todd Akin has acknowledged all that and offered his apologies for it. ~~~~~~~~~ And, in my opinion, YOU know that very well!!!

I'm pretty sure that has already happened.

And yet in Israel which you and your ilk will complain about until the cows come home... this behavior is not tolerated. The US and Israel aren't conspiring to sexually assault the women of Egypt... why should they when the Egyptian "men" are doing such a "bang up" job of that themselves.

Get lost abdul, your point suck and nobody will listen to them..

abul - if it makes you feel any better, I don't give a "rat's behind" what Israel does, any more than Egypt - but as a taxpayer, I'm along for the ride. At least I've never seen stories come out of Israel against women as have been told from African muslim countries, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, etc., that are disgusting behavior beyond belief.

how is bad behavior blamed on one's religion? talk about manufacturing consent.... you're an atheist and this is your platform to attack it

The Q'uran definitely commands women to be stoned, enslaved, even raped in the name of their god. The prophet did it himself and they want to be just like him. Islam is not a religion of peace, but of anarchy, greed, selfishness, and terror. If you've ever thought differently, pick up a copy and read it

Most of the people who defend islam, can't read!

Without religion you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things.

But to get a good person to do something evil.........that takes religion! (ALL religions)

---G.Carlin

Six pillars of faith...

I wonder what that could mean.

Six spires on the Salt Lake City Mormon Temple.

Hmm..

From the Book of Doom we can read and understand that 6 represents opposition to divine will.

Does the mormon cult have to be drug out? At least Mitt's dad was able to leave Mexico.

Does the mormon cult have to be drug out?

Yes. The people must be warned against the danger of not drinking caffeinated drinks when you are feeling sleepy behind the wheel of moving vehicles on long trips.

Mormonism is a road hazard!

Six points on a Jewish star by the way.

Want any more lessons?

Exactly.

I wonder how Obama feels about the Arab Spring now.

Sorta puts the issue of whether or not American women are entitled to have their $9 a month birth control prescription provided by someone else into perspective doesn't it?

NOW is silent also.

It's a democrat and Kennedy that have the only senatorial confirmed "kill" in the war on women. Remember when he murdered a young lady he was schtuping?

How ironic that Laura Bush seems to be the only, major politically connected woman who is working to improve the civil rights of women living in oppressive Islamist countries.

Go ahead Michelle. Keep growing that vegetable garden.

Our Comments are a means to Market us and get a gauge on public opinion. the truth is why is this a story which the US controlled media PR joke reports on about Egypt? and why don't we ever see anything critical reported in our media about Israeli society like the stories about military men and women who refused to serve in the army there? or American Jews who are against the occupation in Gaza. this is not journalism this is a Cooperate trick masked by fake journalist with one thing in mind, What do Americans think about this or that.. controlling public opinion..

Abdul practices the old tactic... when in doubt... blame the Jews and Israel. I would drop dead if the Arab nations and the people within stopped blaming others for their issues and took responsibility for themselves. Israel and the US is not causing the men in Egypt to act like animals. Look in the mirror.

How ironic that Laura Bush seems to be the only, major politically connected woman who is working to improve the civil rights of women living in oppressive Islamist countries.

The irony is that she killed a friend in a car accident.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/laura.asp

Notficeo - What does that have to do with this??? She did not kill her. She had an accident that caused the death of a friend...key word "accident". You are stuck in the past so you ignore the good of those that are doing good. You point out past mistakes to imply people today can't possible be good? Move on dood and do some good. The keyboard cowboy crap does not work anymore.

Rape has been in the Muslim culture for many moons. If you want to change their behavior, you'll have to have them to address their religious teachings. It will not come from an outside influence and if they don't change from the inside it will continue.

17th century here we come.

Hey Notfivebraincells,check your Webster's on irony.

She ran a red light, not paying attention is no accident.

Per an interview that she did in Good Housekeeping, back in the early 90's, Bush was drinking and driving. She never saw a minute of jail. All she had to do was apologize. Yes, it happened in the past, but it happened, and a girl died. Where is the justice for her? An ordinary citizen gets up to 20 years for the same crime.

20 years in jail? Then Bush had the same judge as Ted Kennedy!

Free Birth Control- got to keep it in perspective