"They were sparked by Morsi's Nov. 22 decree awarding himself extra powers and his decision to rush through a new constitution, written by an Islamist-dominated assembly that was opposed by liberals and others."

Morsi is going to be worse than Saddam. He will be competing with Erdogan in fast backward march to Sunni seventh century desert!

He a bad news for sane Muslims, females, Christians and Jews of Israel.

Opposition should not trust a word what Morsi and his Sunni Islamist party says.

Just kick out, kick out and kick them all out before they start their Sunni Islamic Salaffi and Wahhabi hates and murders!

Snyder in Michigan is looking like Morsy. Unfortunately most of the peaple will stay home like the sheep we all have become here in the good old USA.

America's policy for radical Muslim nations should be: CONTAINMENT

Hmmm buyers reMorsi, I think we will have that in this country shortly as well.

Islamic Sharia is a dictator in the guise of a religion. In it's most fundamental form of jurisprudence, thought crimes such as atheism or apostasy are punishable by death. Bearded Imams will rule and the free-thinkers will be relegated to the despised underground.

The biggest problem with a voting democracy is that the average intelligence of the voting public is exactly that...average. The median Egyptian is an uneducated religious man who lives in a small world that thrives on conspiracy theories, five daily prayers, and the weekly fiery polemics of the Mosque Imam.

The educated and traveled Egyptian has a different view of the world, and of the unbelievers that inhabit it.

Morsi and his bearded Imam cabinet feed off of the less educated voting 60%.

That is why, for a successful republic, the constitution and the bill of rights need to be written by the more educated. All people will have representation, but the 40% are protected by law from the 60%.

I would urge the minority opposition to write a constitution of their own, and present it. Fighting without a goal is like fighting for nothing. The Imams will win because they have something.

WTF taking you this long? Americans have been there done that during our civil wars and movements. Egyptians - it's your turn now, fight for your rights.

We will wait for you - see you on the other side

Elsewhere, thousands of Islamists gathered at Cairo's al-Azhar mosque for the funeral of "martyrs" killed in the clashes. "Our souls and blood, we sacrifice to Islam," they chanted.

The Muslim Brotherhood cares only about total domination of the infidels. If they must sacrifice their lives for Allah and their twisted beliefs, so be it. How can we expect those that don't value their own lives to place any value on the lives of those that are, by decree, irrelevant and inferior. They are by their own actions showing themselves to be a cancer on the planets human population. If they can't be treated into remission then they must be surgically excised.

Hello President Obama

You sue states like Alabama and Arizona because of immigration laws but you can't come out and say the new Egyptian constitution that allows for SLAVERY is against everything that is right.

SLAVERY actual Slavery in Egypt and our President Obama can't cut off the money to a country that has made SLAVERY legal.

What a useless piece of cr#% WE have running the show.

Obama was the one that rejected the last regime for being a dictatorship but he accepts this one because it is run by Islamo-facists.

???????????

"He is the president of the republic. He can't just work for the Muslim Brotherhood," Mohamed said of the eight-decade-old Islamist movement that propelled Morsi from obscurity to power.

Some America leaders need to also take this advice.

Welcome to Earth err I mean Islam planet

we need to start planning how to get the non-islamic out of there if he puts a murder order out...that is what we need to be working on...its just when not if, but when, and we need to help them leave his nation...since our money put him there.

Sharia laws are most unfit in 21st century!

Some tribal and desert male dominated society laws can't be normal and sane laws.

Egypt's protestors should not rest till seventh century Islamist Morsi and his barbaric and beastly Muslim Blood hounds are kicked out once for all!

US, British, French and all sane should not support Morsi and his party.

And that's another +1 for Obama's foreign policy plan. How come he is no longer on national T.V. Praising the Egyptians for "Taking control of their future"

I still don't see anything inherently wrong with having an authoritarian regime. Without authoritarian regimes Russia would still be a feudal society. China would still be a feudal society. England would still be a feudal society.

I don't think many of you appreciate the immense amount of human suffering and rough stuff that was required to get us (the West) to where we are today. Or do you think we magically arrived at a first world economy by free elections and debating in public lecture halls? lmao!

The Moslem Brotherhood might be just the ticket (provided you think economic progress is the most wonderful thing in the world) - much better than the stagnant authoritarianism of King Abdullah or Mubarak. Societies don't advance on their own - they need to be pushed. Only people with the balls to do the necessary pushing will be capable of transforming Egypt. Certainly isn't going to happen with some soft-hearted moderate type of government...

Why Does Google, a company that I love more than hate "who I'm also mad at for not accepting the responsibility of having people who are found to be innocent of charges against them. Place the pictures and private information on their search engine???
They are even partially responsible for destroying the lives of innocent individuals."
And there is nothing that these individuals can do.
Google will tell them to "BEAT IT!!!!"

Where are the monopoly laws for the company who owns more market share than AT & T when they were required to break up???????

PLAYA......

I don't think many of you appreciate the immense amount of human suffering and rough stuff that was required to get us (the West) to where we are today. Or do you think we magically arrived at a first world economy by free elections and debating in public lecture halls? lmao!

I've been posting the same type of comment on several threads lately and never get a response. We keep trying to "give" democracy to other countries and it just can't be done.

We tried to give democracy to Iraq and today it has made the list as the worse country in the world... even topping Haiti... to live.

It has taken us over two hundred years to get to where we are, and we still argue over how it should be done.

I don't think the Egyptians realized that when they voted someone in, they couldn't just turn around and vote them out a week later if they didn't like the way it was going.

Funny that Obama is silent this time around???

Egypt has a literacy rate of about 35 percent. Ignorance breeds demagoguery by definition. It has been stated many times in this thread alone, most recently by screeminmimi, but a functioning democracy is not attained by simply handing voting rights to everybody. Remember the founders of our constitution restricted participation heavily and through the years, rightfully, we have included most adult members of our society in the voting process as our democracy has evolved.

Simply "enacting" democracy out of thin air results in little more than mob rule when the participants are uneducated and hold little perceived value in the process.

Advice 101:

America needs to stay out of this, because no matter who takes office, chances are they are going to be a muslim, and that means an anti-american puppet for an Islamic front.

The Quran preaches violence speficically towards Christians and Jews, therefore no matter who leads, if they are muslim they are going to hate America, because America is home to millions of people who support Israel financially as well as being mostly a non-muslim country (which they also cannot stand), no matter what they say during interviews.

The same Quran over there is the same one in Iran, the same one printed in English here in the U.S. The message doesn't change, and what it says about ALL non-muslim is frightening.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

Let them kill each other while supporting our REAL allies in the region, ISRAEL. A nation whose guns aren't pointed at American's at every turn.

Egypt has a literacy rate of about 35 percent. Ignorance breeds demagoguery by definition.

There is some correlation between literacy and democracy. I think literacy is more a sign of an increasingly commercial economy though since records, maths, and things of that sort are necessary for commerce. Commerce is what breaks down the traditional society, not literacy. Societies don't change because of some intellectual baptism and rebirth - they change because economic/technological factors outside of conscious human control force people into different modes of living and doing business.

Actually, the push for democracy is pretty ridiculous when you think about it since the everyday lives of people are determined more by their economic relationships than they are by what sort of government they live under. Was daily life in the Soviet Union really that different from daily life in the United States? Not really.

At any rate, I think its mistake to say that literacy makes people more informed. Most people in this country vote based on one or two (usally trivial) social issues. Nobody really gets out the calculator and weighs the compartive benefits of opposing fiscal policies...

Travis-

I understand your point. In trying to be concise I use literacy as a an over-arching word to comprise not just a lack of higher education but a lack of basic education, a narrow world view, and poverty which it is traditionally tied to. The uneducated masses are ignorant, not stupid as too many of these comments suggest.

I believe your Marxian theory is less relevant in this instance, though, as they are protesting over almost exclusively social issues. I understand the theory says everything can be broken down to economics and humans act personally to benefit their own cost/benefit relationship but, in a practical sense, it does not fit so well.

I am not hinting that if Egypt was full of Rhodes Scholars they would be all set. I will stand by a point, though, that literacy in the smaller sense is the gateway to critical thinking and that is where demagogues lose the power of the masses.

I think in the larger picture, though, we both seem to agree that democracy must evolve and not be manufactured.

I liked Morsi much better when he played with "The Smiths".

I will stand by a point, though, that literacy in the smaller sense is the gateway to critical thinking and that is where demagogues lose the power of the masses.

Not at all really. Medieval Europe for instance lacked that kind of centralized power (at least on the scale and scope you're suggesting) - the Church, Kings, local Lords were in a constant struggle to establish some kind of permanent hegemony, but one was never really able to prevail over the other. The Holy Roman Empire, for example, was divided into literally thousands of tiny Kingdoms, Princedoms, and Church holdings.

There was no "power over the masses". In fact, "the masses" is a relatively recent concept and is really only a possibility in an age that possesses rapid communications and transportation. This simply doesn't exist in more primitive societies. That kind of control over the individual mind simply isn't possible without advanced techniques for social engineering, manditory public education, mass media and the like.

Travis-

In fact, "the masses" is a relatively recent concept and is really only a possibility in an age that possesses rapid communications and transportation. This simply doesn't exist in more primitive societies. That kind of control over the individual mind simply isn't possible without advanced techniques for social engineering, manditory public education, mass media and the like.

That is simply untrue.

"In the unrest of the masses I augur great good. It is by their realizing that their condition of life is not what it ought to be that vast improvements may be accomplished."

Leland Stafford

"Since the masses are always eager to believe something, for their benefit nothing is so easy to arrange as facts."

Charles Maurice de Talleyrand

"It is the besetting vice of democracies to substitute public opinion for law. This is the usual form in which the masses of men exhibit their tyranny."

James Fennimore Cooper

"A short reign does not spare the masses."

Statius

"Passion is the mob of the man, that commits a riot upon his reason."

William Penn

"The mob is the mother of tyrants."

Diogenes

"Religion is the idol of the mob; it adores everything it does not understand."

Frederick II

The "masses" is as old as people ruling other people. Advances in transportation and communication aid to mobilizing them faster and more efficiently but it is in no way is the concept dependent on these advances.Communication is key, but if you are telling me ancient Greece and Rome had more advanced communication techniques than modern society, I will tell you you are flat out wrong.

Yup. They're coming to kick his butt.

Yep, "Egyptian Arab Spring II" is just around the corner.

Will this administration "support" another "rebel movement" ?

A lot is on the HOT plate:

• Egypt
• North Korea
• Iran
• Palestine
• Libya
• Somalia
• Yemen
• and the rest of the North African and ME Nations.

Meanwhile, our DOD is going to be decimated when the budget sequestration cuts go into effect next year which will transform our military into BLUE HELMETS working for the U.N. as peace keeping forces. Wait a minute, that is what the Progressives want.

@Ido

There is no Palestine, just say "The splitting up of Israel for land grabbing Muslims who can't stand a Non-Muslim country in the region."

Also you said... "...that is what the Progressives want"

Just say liberals. They aren't "progressives" just because they announce themselves as such. It's either conservative or liberal. It refers to their standing on spending and ideology. Just say democrats, or liberals. Progressives make it sound like they are a bunch of gay and lesbian advocates with hyphonated last names.

Many in the US, Britain, France, Germany and other nations talk big about democracy, human rights, women rights, and so on!

Mind you: we are in 21st century!

Just see the bigoted seventh century Sunni monsters of House of Saud have invented and propped up!

House of Saud, a strict Wahhabi, consists of a megalomaniac, despotic and bigoted ruler and highly corrupt, despotic, bigoted seventh century mindset 5000 princes and princesses.

They have big harems assembled from all over the world, which includes gays and lesbians.

Other oil rich Sunni Arab League rulers like Kuwait, Qatar, UAE and other rulers are similar with slight variations in degrees.

Extremist Sunni version of Islam is their invention and export. Here most of them have ganged up with House of Saud.

Saudi versions of Sunnis are on rampage in Egypt, Libya, Syria, Nigeria and other palces.

Do those, who lecture with big words, mean what they say?

Is it not time for the politicians of the US, Britain, France, Germany and other nations to be more honest and useful?

Travis, what do you think Egypt had before it collapsed? At least the government before the Muslim brotherhood took over was Pro-U.S. until Obama turned on them.

The "masses" is as old as people ruling other people

That is true, granted, but the Ancients were limited in how much they could mold their citizens. As I understand it, the Romans had pretty narrow interests as far as their colonies were concerned - so long as the residents paid taxes and supplied labor/military personel as the situation required there wasn't a problem. Compare that to the modern era where most aspects of human life are regulated, or at least influenced, by marketing of some form or another.

If anything, literacy has increased the ability of organizations - be it corporate or government or military or what have you - to influence us. I certainly don't think life is less regulated now than it was 2,000 years ago.

Which brings me to the point earlier that literacy in the smaller sense is the gateway to critical thinking and that is where demagogues lose the power of the masses. I am not arguing that if you can read then you can't be influenced. I am arguing that literacy is the first step towards critical thinking. When people can think critically, and are willing to, they are less susceptible to demagoguery.

I do understand the expansion of marketing and its effects on culture but marketing is not dependent on literacy or education. Marketers target many factors including differing levels of education depending on their product, whether it be Big Macs or governmental doctrines, and in such, can adapt to any level of literacy.

I agree with you that I would not put much hope in the talks Morsi is offering. The offer for talks is nothing more than posturing for the media and to try and snow Obama and the rest of his administration into thinking that he is being reasonable and is willing to discuss the issues the opposition has with him in a peaceful way. The reality is that Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood have no intentions what-so-ever of backing down on either Morsi's decree placing his decisions above judicial review or on the pushing forward with the referendum on the new constitution that has been drafted by the Islamists. There is also no doubt that the referendum will pass the same way that Morsi won the elections, with the MB making sure that it happens. The MB will resort to whatever means necessary, from voter intimidation to stuffing the ballot boxes, to make sure that the referendum passes. Now that the Islamists are in control there is no way that they are ever going to give it up peacefully. The new constitution, once it goes into effect, virtually guarantees that the Islamists will be able to maintain their hold on Egypt. The only thing that would change that would be if the military turned against them and forcibly removed them from power. The constitution places all law in the hands of the Muslim clerics selected by the Islamists. With all laws and legal decisions subject to review by the clerics and the implementation of Shariah law as paramount above all else the MB has ensured that the Islamists will keep control. There will be no way to challenge anything they choose to do through legal means. This is without a doubt the beginning of a new dark ages for Egypt. Under the Islamists there will be a stagnation of Egyptian culture and major moves backwards in the rights of women and minorities. It is also the start of some very tough economic times for Egypt because they are losing one of the main sources of income for their economy - tourism. After all, what sane westerner is going to want to go anywhere near Egypt so long as the Islamists are in control. This loss of revenue from tourism is going to severely damage the economy of Egypt as under the Mubarak regime tourism amounted to more than 10% of total GDP. Even using the new government's numbers for 2011, which are no doubt being inflated to make the impact look smaller, tourism dropped by 32.4% in terms of the number of visitors and 29.6% in terms of money spent from 2010 to 2011. With tourism making up over 10% of their GDP, this means that the loss in tourism dollars alone caused their GDP to be lower by around 3%. This is a very significant amount for an economy that is struggling to start with. As the Islamists start to exert even more influence and implement even more restrictions the impact to this segment of their economy is likely to get even worse.

If Morsi and his Islamist continue in Egypt, no more of our tax dollars!

Let them take monies from Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, UAE and other nations, who became rich by manipulating oil prices.

Opposition should not trust a word of Morsi and his Muslim Blood hounds!

Sadly,I agree, JD in SD. I believe conditions will have to get much worse for the Egyptians economically and humanely before the country evolves to a higher conscious. Such a waste of the more enlighten individuals of that region. All the pain they will have to endure after getting so close to better environmental conditions.

excatly, how do we unscrabble eggs..especially when we used the same pan and the same eggs for 20+ yrs.

This is just a beginning of hating and killings like what Sunni Islamic extremists with different labels have been doing in other nations.

Bad news for sane Egyptians, Egypt and Israel!

we need to ***** MBH and eradicate them. its time. its time to save this world...jim jones, why couldnt you have been Islamic...why

i cant believe i am saying this...i would never hurt anyone, but something inside me tells me that we are in danger, and that maybe just maybe there is a reason men like to play GI Joe for real..i never understood war until today.

roadlesstraveled

War is neither Pretty or Glorified. Having been to more then one myself I am sure that others who have played on the battlefield will agree, NOBODY WINS.

I do believe it was Gen Patton who said something to the effect: It is not a Soliders duty to die for his country, but to make the other poor SOB to die for his.

Morsi: "It's a done deal ..... now let's talk about it."

Nope one bullet one stab one bomb can stop the Obama want to be...The uneducated citizens of Egypt haxe more common sense that we the people....They can see Morsi for what he is...IF that were to happen here maybe we could be at the WH now with out tar and feathers....

Buster-858093

Don't forget, obama was backing the rebles 100%. As soon as Moris was elected he called and gave him con-grats and then sent him 1.5 BILLION of OUR MONEY that WE DID NOT HAVE.

" They wanted Democracy" Did they, really? Or are they, as appearently are most Americans, more afraid of a Society that demands a Personally Responsible, Accountable, Informed (from more than a single genre), Citizenery?

"Enough of your infected living in Dearborn Michigan" And more than a few, inhabiting the residences and halls of Washington D.C.!

if they ever get to vote again, i think it will be much different...I don't think the USA giving money and endorsing their "pick" will sway voters ever again. I am incline to believe our money to the MBH tricked them into voting for Morsi because they trusted us...and now they learn.

Obama got just what he wanted... Everyone to believe his Falsehoods. Now we are facing something very simular.

As It has been said by obama and crew... If you don't raise taxes on the rich then over the cliff we go... Not ONCE have I heard about CUTS in SPENDING.

Can't people see he has Divided US as a Country and so many follow him blindly crying the same words that he put in their mouth from the begning.

Wake up AMERICA, or we will not have an AMERICA to wake up to.

First he pissed and moaned that the Reps left us in the ditch, now that the country is moving again he is pissing and moaning again that the Reps are driving us off the cliff....

WHO THE HE11 Is the President? Who is the DRIVER????

It's not going to take anything like 4 years here! 12, 18 months on the outside! He, and the Progressives, have this economy in such a mess, and of course he wants this "fiscal cliff' fantasy to play out.

He could get in some trouble, but both he and I believe that he'll get out of it, he's successfully dodged everything up to now! I doubt they will stress the 'blame Bush' mantra too far, but there are always the problems in Europe and, clearly the Middle East, there surly is enough there to blame any problems on, at least untill he can get his agendy implemented!

bogus statement by TruthComesHere, Obama only planned to raise taxes on the super rich (which is currently paying half the percentage rate in taxes than the middle class due to greed. Obama is only going back to the tax rate of the Clinton era and it didn't hurt the super-rich to pay "their fair share" then. Raising tax rate on the super rich didn't hurt them at all back then, and the country had a balanced budget along with chipping away at the national debt.

That is republican's plan - make sure that Obama gets nothing done, they would rather tank the country than to see the country's economy improve under Obama's leadership. There is still alot of ghost in republican's closet.

Ummm...John - Wake up call. He is only calling for taxing the rich as of NOW. Who do you think is going to have to end up paying for the debt he continues to grow? YEP, ALL of us tax payers. Who do you think will have to foot the bill for Obamacare? YEP, ALL of us tax payers. Get it yet? We HAVE to stop spending more than we are taking in. YOU have to do it (I assume anyway) in your life and so do I.

Unfortunately Mr. Obama DOESN'T have a plan to fix the economy other than taxing the rich. THAT alone is NOT going to fix things.

Wow! Truth,so you're implying even the chosen one is a liar just like all the other mortal pols?

Truth:

I feel sorry for you... you told the truth and people STILL will not believe it... I DO and there are MANY more of us who ARE NOT RWNJs or LWNTJs.

Thanks for sharing.

It's a PROVEN FACT the more you tax the rich, the more they hide the money... CUT THE LOOP HOLES.

P.S. Go ahead and ask for the refwerences and I will say... I am not obama and crew, I will not feed you what I want you to think... As a matter of fact, THINK FOR YOURSELVES... Ya might learn something. But then Ya might also prove your fearless leader (And in case you don't know I am refereing to Bulwinkle the Moose cartoon) LIED TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

You are mixing apples and oranges again. Iran is ALREADY ruled by radical muslims. Egypt is well on its way to get there. Syria is fighting to avoid takeover by radical muslims. Having said that, I support intervention in the already terrorist Iran keeping them from developing nukes, Non intervention in Syria and let the regime take care of itself, cut off money and all support for Egypt and let the other arab nations support them if they will.

You cannot put them all in one basket.

farideh: I put them all in one basket as Sunni Muslims of Saudi veriety are in seventh century desert mindset days and Iran lead Shiites are in 10th century.

I want US, British and all infidel nations to keep miles away from their Allah's battles.

We will worry about the remaining.

I support (only moral support) the weaker side as the battle has to be even.

For this reason, I strongly support Shiites, Muslim females who want to rebel against barbaric and beastly bigoted Sharia Laws and tribes like Kurds and others.

In Morsi's case, I am with the opposition.

Bye the bye, in cartoons and video on Mohammad, did they (all Muslim varieties) not all go into one basket and take hate and killer marches?

mike277

Just like those in America.... Obama's obamacare has raised my daughters college insurance from $455.00 a year to ove $1630.00 a year... HELLL we were so happy with the savings we threw a party.

odb2:

Like your train of thought.

catthepat

It had to be ligate... Obama endorsed it and helped to achieve it

Al:

But if pot is illegal how can I cook my food?

hope = super rich paying (not half the tax rate of middle class as the republicans are currently fighting to keep)

change = the super rich will have to pay their fair share on tax rates instead of half the percentage rate that middle class has to pay) going back to the Clinton's era of the rich paying thier fair share will have a big impact of american getting back to a balanced budget like during the Clinton administration.

In your dreams, comrade John! If you took all the money of the "rich" (however you want to identify them), it would barely touch the deficit that Obama has created, throwing money to Wall Street like a drunken sailor.

just like it took a democratic preisdent (FDR) to clean up republican messes during the great depression, it took another democratic president (Obama) to clean up republican messes during the great recession.

Greed for the super rich along with stock market deregulations to allow the greedy to police themselves, as they shoot the middle finger at the rest of americans, got the republicans in big trouble and they are the cause of bringing the country to it knees in both periods.

Wych doctor, while I agree that taxing the rich barely addresses the problem, I adisagree with whom you claim created the deficit. Obama is not my guy, and his plans so far have not helped, but he did not create the deficit problem - Bush did. Look at how spending (across the baord) increased under Bush43. Of course, he didn't invent deficit spending either - it's been going on for decades, ever since politicians learned they good buy the votes of the votes of the people with hand-outs.

John M.......that is my name and last initial as well.........and we think alike.

The super rich have had their time, now it is time to pay and regulate the areas of greed run a muck; financial and insurance institutions. The richest Americans have gotten much richer, and they didn't have more money printed for them, no, they took it from the middle class and the poor.....FACT!

They have lobbied and lobbied for the laws to funnel the wealth UP HILL to them and it has worked, the right wing relies on propaganda and lies to keep the uneducated, white population voting for them. Just look at the states that want to succeed from the union, they are the benefactors of the majority of the subsidies like welfare......it is like turkeys voting for more Thanksgiving days each year.

The right wing is against pell grants........of course.......they don't want the poor to get an education and start to think for themselves......they are against public option health care; that is socialism they say......no, it will cut into the profits of the greedy insurance companies is why, but they tell you it is socialized medicine........it is no more "socialized" than the public EDUCATION most of us receive......saying the Pledge Allegiance and the Star Spangled Banner.......they just brain washed us with all that socialism!! Funny thing is, the right wing, uneducated population thinks just the opposite of that when it comes to the Pledge Allegiance and Star Spangled Banner.......they love it!! They are full of inconsistencies; right to birth but love the death penalty.........the super rich ride on the ignorance of the uneducated, white, patriotic population........now why don't you dumb ass rednecks get pissed off about it and help us get our country back???

ARMY:

That was the American's that wanted obamas HOPE AND CHANGE...

I feel very sorry for you. You have allowed you hate to devour you. You have allowed your hate to define you. Very sad.

I agree 100%, I've been saying that for years.

I have also offered an alternative plan - send each side more than enough weapons to kill each other, then stand back and let them do it. Like ripping off a bandaid - get it over with and then shut up already.