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Subscribe to RSSAs protests continued, President Mohammed Morsi rescinded a controversial decree he issued weeks ago, assuming control of the judiciary. NBC's Ayman Mohyeldin reports.
CAIRO -- Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi on Saturday issued a decree annulling the most controversial parts of earlier orders that granted him sweeping powers, including the ability to make laws and decisions not subject to judicial reviews.
The earlier orders had led to three weeks of violent clashes between Morsi supporters and the political opposition.
The president no longer has absolute powers, but his government's draft constitution will not be changed before a referendum set for Dec. 15, NBC's Ayman Mohyeldin reported from Cairo.
The new declaration still calls for the referendum to go ahead as scheduled, but the new referendum will not be a simple "yes" or "no."
If the draft constitution is rejected, Morsi said he will ask the public to directly vote for a new 100-member constituent assembly to write a new constitution. The existing 100-member assembly was appointed by the dissolved parliament.
The announcement that Morsi had scrapped his Nov. 22 decree followed hours of talks on Saturday at his presidential palace, billed as a "national dialogue" but which was boycotted by his main opponents and had little credibility among protesters.
One opposition group dismissed Morsi's efforts at appeasement as the "continuation of deception."
His opponents have demanded that Morsi scrap the vote on the constitution, which was fast-tracked through an assembly led by the Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamists. Liberals and others had walked out, saying their voices were not being heard.
The spokesman for the main opposition coalition, the National Salvation Front, which stayed away from Saturday's talks, said his group would meet Sunday to discuss a response to Mursi's initiative to cancel his old decree.
But Hussein Abdel Ghani added: "My first personal impression is that it is a limited and insufficient step. We repeatedly said that among our top demands is for the referendum to be delayed."
PhotoBlog: Despite Morsi concessions, protests continue
Earlier Saturday, Egypt's military warned of "disastrous consequences" if the crisis that sent tens of thousands of protesters back into the streets was not resolved, signaling the army's return to an increasingly polarized and violent political scene.
The military said serious dialogue is the "best and only" way to overcome the nation's deepening conflict.
"Anything other than that (dialogue) will force us into a dark tunnel with disastrous consequences; something which we won't allow," said the statement, read by an unnamed military official on state television.
NBC's Ayman Mohyeldin and journalist Mona Eltahawy discuss developments around Egypt's crisis.
Egypt's once all-powerful military, which temporarily took over governing the country after the revolution that ousted autocratic leader Hosni Mubarak, has largely been sidelined since handing over power to Morsi weeks after his election.
But it has begun asserting itself again, with soldiers sealing off the presidential palace with tanks and barbed wire, as rival protests and street battles between Morsi's supporters and his opponents turned increasingly violent.
The statement said the military "realizes its national responsibility in protecting the nation's higher interests" and state institutions.
At least six civilians have been killed and several offices of the president's Muslim Brotherhood set on fire since the crisis began on Nov. 22. The two sides also have staged a number of sit-ins around state institutions, including the presidential palace where some of the most violent clashes occurred.
Images of the military's elite Republican Guards unit surrounding the area around the palace showed one of the most high-profile troop deployment since the army handed over power to Morsi on June 30.
Egypt's president Mohamed Morsi is feeling the pressure ever since his decree granting him nearly absolute powers. NBC's Brian Williams reports.
Tensions have escalated since Morsi issued new decrees granting himself and an Islamist-dominated constitutional assembly immunity from oversight by the judiciary. The president's allies then rushed through a constitution and he announced a Dec. 15 nationwide referendum on the charter.
The president has insisted his decrees were meant to protect the country's transition to democracy from former regime figures trying to derail it.
The political turmoil has exposed deep rifts in the nation of 83 million between Islamists, who were suppressed for decades, and their rivals, who fear religious conservatives want to squeeze out other voices and restrict social freedoms. Many Egyptian just crave stability and economic recovery.
This article includes reporting by Reuters and The Associated Press.
NBC's Ayman Moheldeen reports the latest from Egypt where thousands of protesters surged around the presidential palace; and Michael Rubin, Former Pentagon Adviser on Iran & Iraq, provides perspective.
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The US is behind all this crap going on. There is so much our beloved govt hides from us:
tin foil. lots more tin foil
If they were smart they should go back to Martial Law..wait a few years then new election. Get that Morsi guy out ASAP ( he's just a puppet there).
Another fine mess courtesy of Obama admin. policies.
Took longer than I thought for the military to get invovled.
It is going to get interesting on what happens in the near future.
The Egyptian military better back the people on this and not "The Muslim Brotherhood". Otherwise there will be a very violent period in Egypt's near future... and the Islamists will lose. Egyptians want democracy not theocracy.
Hey justoneguy
Yeah, yeah we know all about it, Obama caused the fall of the Roman Empire too. How about giving it a break and knock off the right wing B.S. for a day or so. We get it you hate black people, there's no need to keep reminding the rest of us of how deep your racism runs.
BigAl you think black people get a free ride just because of their color? Looks to me that you are the racist one here.
Morsi must GO..Morsi must GO! If they keep him no matter what he says..they are very stupid people!
Thanks Texas, it's encouraging to be taken for my beliefs as they are, not as they are portrayed by "littleal". What a cheap shot 'al' - if you can't do better than just read the funnies.
justoneguy: For some reason you believe we were supposed to help continue to prop up the former regime? Why do we get to make that decision?
While Al may be guilty of a cheap shot justoneguy (no argument there...) mayhaps YOU can defend your cheap shot against the President.
What,exactly,does Obama have to do with Mohamed Bouazizi's setting himself on fire in Tunisia nearly 2 years ago,the catalyst for the Arab Spring?
Or maybe this is all a result of reason (excuse...) number 47b from the Bush Administration of why we went to war in Iraq...if we topple Hussein in Iraq it will lead to a domino effect of democracy breaking out in the Middle East---the "Freedom Agenda". Remember that?
So democracy only counts if the voters in a sovereign nation elect leaders that we (or more to the point,YOU...) approve of?
Interesting.
Yep, he has "rescinded" his "King powers" but will definitely push towards Sharia Law.
Time for the "Egyptian Arab Spring II".
kennyw-2983735
Umm, if history is correct, the US supported and even aided in the removal of the last leader in Egypt. Simple as that, no fog involved. Things were more stable before that...PLUS, there are other nations in the world that currently have more and bigger "thug" governments than Egypt did.
"Another fine mess courtesy of Obama admin. policies."
Oh yeah its all Obama's fault for letting those pesky people vote for their own ruler.
I say Who gives a F$#%! Its not our country its theirs and we have NO business telling them who they can pick as their leader. What do you think Obama should have done? Back a dictator the people no longer wanted. Man how would that look for a country that champions freedom?
Oh OH I know we should send in the troops to kill all those pesky freedom want a bees don't those crazy bastards know America stands for oppression...... oh wait...
You must be one of those people that think America is in charge of the entire world! Loads of the globe!
I'll also bet you just loved how GB f'ed up the middle east? Oh wait! GB said invading Iraq would spread democracy through the Middle east! So in fact it is going just like GB planed. Yet you claim its Obama's doing?
Seriously you're an idiot!
"Yep, he has "rescinded" his "King powers" but will definitely push towards Sharia Law".
If the guy can make a decree and its law they it doesn't matter what he says he's just anouther dictator.
He can just as easily re instate his King Powers next week.
Luckily for the people it looks like the military isn't 100% on his side.
But whatever, I say let them work it out it isn't any of our business.
Good for the Egyptians! Morsi blinked. Morsi now must create checks and balances the same as we have.
I wish they would open comments on that psy guy trying to say he is sorry. He is sorry alright. I would not allow him to step foot on our soil, or sell his crap music here. Sorry to digress but this guys words are way more than a slip of the tounge they are hateful and bigoted.
I rarely digress, sorry coudnt help myself.
The interesting part (to me) was that the ruler actually responded to the protests. If we had a version of this play out in the US, it would be endlessly dissected on FOX News (and, to be fair, other outlets as well) for weeks, then the riot police would come in and spray tear gas and mace all around, and the government would announce that free speech is still alive and well, but there would be NO substantive changes as a result of the protests.
Flame away, morons....flame away.
@david;
This is the people keeping an eye on their mistake of putting an Islamist in power the very first term. One of the MBH stated goals are to Islamitize the world. The MBH also exists in America, there are different branches in different areas.
The sooner they are out of power the better, They will only keep Egypt down.
@justoneguy
Using that logic then I'm sure you're OK with blaming everything that Hamas has done since taking power in Palestine in January of 2006 and every thing that they do moving forward on Bush then,right?
Seeing as he pressured for the parliamentary elections there to go forward,despite people urging him not to as there was a real chance that Hamas could make inroads,and even win the elections.
Hmmm,maybe Bush and Cheney WANTED that...
The West supported Moubarak being removed for the simple reason that his position had become untenable and only bloodshed would have kept him in power. And while there are certainly countries with bigger "thug" governments than Egypt had under Moubarak or has under Morsi we were able to use diplomacy only to achieve a positive result at the time. Will Moubarak's ouster prove to be the best scenario 1,5 or 10 years from now? I don't pretend to know nearly enough about Egyptian politics to hazard an opinion. I highly doubt you're any better attuned than I am. But seeing as it avoided what would very likely been a bloodbath at the time it WAS the best outcome then.
Maybe there still is a chance for Egypt.
No matter what success President Obama achieves, his racist and ideological poisoned opposition will never, and I mean NEVER, give him credit or accept it. What is ironic, and tragic at the same time, is the entrenched coalition of radical corporate CEO's, libertarians, racists and reactionaries, working together to smear him and openly calling for his failure as President. Despite their unlimited resources, they miserably lost in their efforts to buy the election. America did not endorse their parallel world of conspiracies, lies, Jim Crow, xenophobia and yes, racist views of the President and his base. Communist, socialist, Islamist, Kenyan born, terrorists’ admirer, food stamp President, lazy, needing to learn how to be an American; these are but a few of the contempt filled aspersions directed at him; none of then substantiated.
We may now have the killer or killers of our ambassador to Libya, and rather than rejoice, these bitter characters spin it in a way to find it abhorrent and possibly dangerous for the USA. These are the same people who cheered when Bush/ Cheney took us to war, the same "silent majority" that never uttered a word pointing out Bush's massive and destructive policies; whether foreign ,domestic or fiscal. September 11 happened under their watch, and despite the trillions spent in war and over 5,000 lost American lives, they couldn't deliver Bin Laden's head, nor did they stabilized the Middle East. Actually, they empowered Iran to levels never dreamed of by the Ayatollahs. President Obama has squeezed the Iranians in ways Bush was never able to convince allies to go along with. Now the "opposition' is warning us about our "entanglement" in Egypt. These are the same losers who predicted masses of Iraqis throwing flowers along the way as our troops occupied their country. A reality check will reveal that they threw RPG's and the kitchen sink as well.
I'd be lying if I told you I feel sorry for these dark souls. I feel contempt for them and wish the worse upon their efforts to poison the American well. They are not patriots, nor do the represent the American dream the world aspires to match. The gates of hell are open and waiting for you. We are tired of your constant whining about a great man, winning the battles, one at a time, against tremendous odds. Get ready to pack your bags, a one way ticket awaits you at the door where Americans of all sorts clap and taunt you as you walk out of our lives. Give our regards to Stalin, Hitler, Bin Laden and fellow travelers waiting for you at the Sheldon Adelson's Brim & Stone Casino , Satan will be doorman and host
Do you seriously expect anyone to believe that Obama has got a "free ride"?
Gotta love it.
This is about Egypt and the turmoil there and what do we get on the comment vine? More of the childish insult hurling between the Left and the Right.
Please let me know when you mindless children are ready to grow up and act like mature adults and MAYBE we can fix the country. Right now, with all the stupid antagonism between the parties and their supporters...this country is terminally screwed and YOU are responsible.
Keep playing that fiddle while Rome burns though Nero.
You are an idiot! You know, righty's are all for freedom and the right to choose their own leader unless it is a dictator that likes the US and then, its, well, he was a stabilizing influence! Yeah, morons, that's why the country erupted in civil war in the first place!
Remember, it wasn't so long ago, So Damned Insane was a "stabilizing influence", but then he wasn't because he had WMD, but then he didn't, so...
Good now Egypt charge Morisi and the Mud-Slime Bro-Hoods with treason and put them in prison or the firing squad as they would do to anyone who gets out of line with their agenda,mabe it will make the Obamination Administration from pulling the same sh**, they are already starting with the No cap on big Corperations donations for O's coronation,just a step away from dictatorship just like his ARAB KIN.Goodluck Egypt ,And pray for our sad state of affairs.
Good for Egypt, at the moment things appear to be in every ones favor. This is a good time to sit back and watch what takes place on the streets. If there are more opposition being violent then the world will have a hard time taking their side, but if it is MBH who flips their lids about this and the near future, it is certain Morsi will have to choose b/tw them. I say this because MBH and other Islam extremists do not change their minds suddenly, maybe a few will, but the momentum to reek havoc is instilled in them..and it doesn't stop. But perhaps if this happens morsi will be faced with having to push the MBH back, and then show his people that he does mean well for them. But we cant have Egypt continuing arms deals...that crap needs to stop, as does it with America. I don't want to learn the lesson of our leaders weapons deals, because its you and me who will be left unprotected.
Yhbua---First you feeling sorry for my soul is idiotic, but since you do thank you. Second it is your belief that there is something wrong with those of us fighting to get what we want and all you feel is contempt, funny it kind of clashes with your feeling sorry does it not. Third the only thing I am fighting against is policy directed at my freedom, that's right. My freedom to choose whether or not I get health-care, choose to close the border, choose to drink water that is free from fluoride, choose to run my business without regulations implemented by collage graduates who pretend to be saving the earth to continue getting government money by bashing business with supposed violations.
It would be fun to wake up and hear there were no new rules published by regulatory agencies this week. It would be nice to not listen to beatniks telling me I should eat more fruit and nuts because it is healthy. But you know what, it is America so I being a patriot listen and comply and fight. So when you put your contempt of me out there I may not like it but I realize it is your right and if you feel the way you do and say it is because of me you are saying you are not an American. That is the problem you liberals have you hate and despise but you do not even have a clue about why, you are the angry person hating everything you think is wrong. I see it as our right given to us by our founders. Try it sometime.
@Theyrelyingtous
I think you meant to name yourself "They relying ON us" ...retard.
Probably stashed away somewhere in Tehran.
Egypt gets what they deserve, remember all the fuss about The Muslim Brotherhood and Morsi when he took office? HELLLOOOOO???? Wasn't everyone worried something like this might happen? Well, muslims love to elect their dictators. A perfect government for a militant religion. The fact that one has to refer to a muslim as "moderate" even suggests that Islam is a militant religion...it's just to what extent is that particular muslim....
So all that jazz about Israel and the muslim terrorists in Gaza and the West Bank, using East Jerusalem as their capital, I think is all related. Didn't the U.S. and Egypt recently sign an alliance? They only reason I think that happened was so they (muslims) could distract from the splitting up of Israel. "Palestinians" just given U.N. status... what the hell is happening to the world. Suddenly we're allies with Egypt and abandoning our real allies in the region, Israel?
Go back to supporting Israel! They aren't going to turn their guns on Americans as soon as internal strife is over with...unlike any muslim.
Yhbua
No worries Yhbua, this thread, along with the rest of the fiction presented the last 4 years prove that smear tactics have been perfected by your cronies.
THERE HAS BEEN NO SUCCESS!...FOR 4 YEARS..... WAKEUP!
BigAlLasVegas and Kennyw got it right. It's amazing that the RWNJs can even compose a simple sentence let alone trying to convey any sense and logic. @justineguy, you're history is screwed up and you obvious either watch too much Fox News or you just plain hate Obama. Obama had nothing to do with Egypt's current leadership, the people there voted Morsi in and the US gov was in total hands off mode over that leadership change there.
No hate here, Tommy
...I'd buy you lunch to discuss it. So tired of the 'hate' word involved when there's plain dialogue going on. Stick with the facts, there is no Bush, there is nothing left but to look to what's been going on the last 4 years. That's it....ok?
@justoneguy; Despite saying "no hate here", your reply to me comes as hate to my eyes. Note you refer to the president (Obama) as a "POS"; that's hate.
Again, the US had a hands off approach to all of those uprisings, which was the correct way. It is not up to the USA to decide what kinds of governments rule their people when the people choose their governments. We brag about democracy here, well a democratic process placed Morsi into power, but it's readily apparent it wasn't result you wanted and that's the real problem for you.
george washington was offered such sweeping powers and turned them down.lets hope this man has the integerty of president washinton.he too may be revered long after hes gone
@theyrelyingtous
Obviously there is pressure from the U.S. in Morsi's behavior because his actions have caused an uproar through the world. He is trying to keep friendly links with us for help and support.
But face it, his actions are not the actions of a totalitarian dictator. Even the uproar, demonstrations and fighting where hundreds got hurt and some killed, would be out of the question under any country lacking freedom of action and speech.
some try to tell me thoughts they cannot defend~Nights In White Satin, Moody Blues
So this is what Obama & Clinton's "Arab Spring" comes down to? A Dictator saying OK we'll wait a week before I and my "Brotherhood" made up in large part by AL Qaeda fix the Election and Vote in our own Personal Constitution?
And for this kind of "Peace" Obama won a Prize? Hahaha....Well at least the Egyptians get a Constitution, Obama and his Corporate Masters on Wall Street have thrown Ours out the Window!
So ask yourself why would der Homeland of Insecurity let a wannabe "Terrorist" run wild in America for over a year.....http://www.infowars.com/obama-has-muslim-domestic-terrorism-scandal-on-his-hands/
Maybe because.....
How FBI Entrapment Is Inventing 'Terrorists' - and Letting Bad Guys Off the Hook....http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/national-affairs/how-fbi-entrapment-is-inventing-terrorists-and-letting-bad-guys-off-the-hook-20120515
So if this is what they are doing NOW why would you think it was any different than what they where doing back THEN?
Admit it folks...9/11 was a False Flag Operation.....Still Don't believe? Watch General Wesley Clark Connect the Dots for You and then watch this new PBS Documentary about the 9/11 the Wall Street Plutocracy who seized control of our Country and still refuses to investigate....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw&feature=g-all-f
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l-8PFk8j5I
Say what you will but after watching these two Documentaries if you still do not understand the truth....You intentionally choose not to!
Next guess what happens when an American Air Port or Air Liner gets attacked or shot down by Al Qaeda using one of those "Missing" Libyan Surface to Air Missiles we allowed Al Qaeda to steal, Our Government will then Attack US and Our Freedoms again for the benefit of their Plutocratic UN Globalist Banksters on Wall Street and their Robber Baron Masters who are Controlling the Military Industrial Corporations!
Nightmare in Libya: Thousands of Surface-to-Air Missiles Unaccounted For....http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/nightmare-libya-20000-surface-air-missiles-missing/story?id=14610199#.UMKmDqwt524
Just say NO to their Endless War On America (oops Terror)! Refuse to Support Al Qaeda and ALL of their CIA / DOD / DHS Masters where ever they are found. It is Time to demand a REAL INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION & PROSECUTIONS of the TREASON of 911!
"All we want are the Facts Ma'am"~ Joe Friday.....Unsupported Opinions Need Not Reply!
But while we are at it......Impeach President Obama and Prosecute Secretary Clinton for Secret Aid to Al Qaeda in Libya & Syria, The Cover Up of the Murder of a US Ambassador by Al Qaeda, and for their Secret CIA Prison in Benghazi-Gate!
"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—for ever." ~George Orwell, 1984
Irvami, read my note again. I never felt sorry for you and it's clear at the beginning of the last paragraph.
Let's see, justoneguy, today in Egypt it was reported that a key suspect in the killing of U.S. Embassy employees in Libya had been arrested, and Morsi announced he had rescinded his recent order giving him sweeping, dictatorial powers. Next week, the nation votes on the new constitution.
Your response:
I wonder just what you would consider good news emanating from Egypt, that they were declaring war on the United States?
People wondering how Obama won need only look at his typical detractor.
dman...Egypt was neutral on middle east issues before....Egypt has massive weapons in ownership supplied by the US in the past dozen years, enough to over-run Israel. To support the removal of a neutral/allied leadership and not know what the hell was gonna happen next was just plain idiotic and ingnited unimaginable possiblilities.........that's MY opinion.
Tommy6860
Ummm me thinks reference to the piece quoted....(search) was a typo (maybe....lol, but anyway), they most likely meant POTUS......I hope anyway, cause that's what I quickly referred it to when I cut/pasted. I won't say I like POTUS now,
but if you look at my history, I have NEVER called nasty names, It's immaterial to do that and...if one has the positive history/facts - unneccessary. Hate does not solve issues...never has...never will.
This move by Morsi is pretty much meaningless at this point. The main purpose of the decree was to prevent the courts from dissolving the group writing the constitution. Now that the draft constitution is done and is going to a referendum Morsi does not really need the powers. Once the referendum passes, and it will pass the same way the Muslim Brotherhood made sure Morsi won the election, the powers will largely be returned. Under the constitution, all laws and judicial decisions will be subject to review by the Islamist clerics who are one the side of the MB. This means that free speech and freedom of religion will disappear in Egypt. If there were a fair vote the new constitution would go down, but there is no way the MB would allow that to happen. They can not take the risk of losing control and will do what they need to in order to maintain the control they now have. Of course even if by some miracle the referendum fails, the MB will just make sure that the new group elected to rewrite it will be dominated by the Islamists and the whole thing will start all over again until the MB gets a constitution with the controls and provisions they want to pass. At this point the only way the MB is going to give up control of Egypt is if the military turns on them and kicks them out. They have a stranglehold on Egypt and the elections processes so they will just continue to rig the elections to keep their control.
Justoneguy, first off, the U.S. neither instigated the uprising which toppled Mubarak, nor supported it in any material way. Mubarak fell, not because of any U.S. actions, but because the people of Egypt were angry about a host domestic issues, such as rising prices and unemployment, and because the army declined to support him.
Obama did not cause this to happen. It just happened, and there was very little the U.S. could have done to prevent it.
Secondly, Morsi has not disavowed his neutrality toward Egypt, and the fact that his government has just arrested a key figure in the recent Libyan attacks should tell you that he remains positively disposed towards the United States.
To respond to a story about Morsi's disavowal of previously claimed dictatorial powers with the observance about "Another fine mess courtesy of Obama admin. policies.", strikes me as nonsensical.
Again, I don't know why you assume this situation was within the U.S. span of control. The people and the army had clearly stepped away from Mubarak, and it was only after this happened that the Obama administration suggested that he resign.
As to your dark speculations about the "unimaginable possibilities" ignited by this change in government, I'd say you are running to find trouble. Morsi acted as an intermediary during the recent Gaza crisis. His government has arrested a key terrorist wanted by the U.S. and the people of Egypt have demonstrated that neither he, nor the Muslim Brotherhood hold dictatorial powers in that country.
So, why are you running your mouth about immanent disaster?
Trust Morsi's promise to annul most of his Powers over Egypt?
That's a laugh--sure our Secretary of State, by the powers of Pres. Obama, made him make this promise.
Underneath it all, he will continue to be the Dictator he chose in the first place. What has the Middle East or North Africa ever kept their word. The people are spun around till they are dizzy, and become violent with no real leadership or any kind of Democracy--
Time will Tell. Right now sure the Protesters do not believe him either. They wanted a change, and this is a nasty one.
@justoneguy: I would appreciate it if you would walk me through how all of this is Obama's fault. Now pay attention, I said walk - not talk - me through this, I want you to come up with facts not supposition, I want details not genralities. Are you up to it? GO!!
He is not talking to us, but to the Egyptian people, after having fled the presidential palace last week.
I not telling you to trust anybody, just to watch what is actually happening, not what your fears predict.
I am Glad our President is letting Morsi do Whatever he wants!!
Obama will support Morsi Unconditionally just like I support Obama because of his position on Gay Rights!!!
...and another troll is born, to be relegated straight to my "ignore" list.
Mr Morsi
The assembly who draft the constitution should not be elected. They should be appointed from a very small selected intellectual minority. There should be no partisan bias. Then, the results should be voted on by the public. Even in America, if a new constitution were drafted by our elected officials, it would be a disaster.
I have to count my lucky stars that the authors of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights were so bold wise and progressive. It is amendable, not immutable. It is neutral toward religion. It has a list of inalienable rights that rich and poor seem to appreciate and exploit when necessary. There are no prophets, in fact we can openly criticize the authors for personal flaws and hypocrisies. There are no blasphemy laws.
I have made a life of hard work and persuit of happiness under the simple understandable rules.
I doubt you will read this, but if you do, I suggest that you work toward the ideals of liberal progress, and avoid dogmatic regress.
Egypt's problems are ... Egypt's problems. Meanwhile, Egypt's Army is the best the USA can buy.
dman:
What is feared by the Egyptians, and all other people's of the ME/N. Africa is controlled by FEAR.
Our Government FEARS what will happen to Egypt, and all the new blossoming Dictators of Countries that are taking over the Region.
The People live by Fear. We don't know who the new Leaders are; Dictators always make promises, but promises to break.
from BigAl in Las Cesspool
"knock off the right wing B.S. for a day or so"
haha...as soon as you knock off your lefty Chavez B.S. , and history shows us that YOUR party is the party of racism , always was , always will be , you lefty's have the minorities right where you want them in your defunct rat holes run by "progressive" boneheads...no wonder more states have republican governors and legislatures now
they'relyingtous! The US is behind all this crap.There's so much our beloved government is hiding form us.
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo! I'm shocked!
You're beloved government,not only does criminal things, and then hides them from you,you have a criminal tin horned dictator calling himself a president,wanting to do the same thing as Morisi.He wants unlimited powers also!
I'd say that's the pot calling the kettle black!
Oh and that has nothing to do with racism,in case anybody opens their mouth!
dman-353357
Check and mate......sorry to have been correct in my assessment....NOT.
let's go forrrwwwwaaaarrrrdddd !!!........And Impeach President Obama and Prosecute Secretary Clinton for Secret Aid to Al Qaeda in Libya & Syria, The Cover Up of the Murder of a US Ambassador by Al Qaeda, and for their Secret CIA Prison in Benghazi-Gate!
At least Richard Nixon had the "Honor" to Resign!
None are so hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free. The truth has been kept from the depth of their minds by masters who rule them with lies. They feed them on falsehoods till wrong looks like right in their eyes.~ Johann von Goethe
justoneguy - ahh, one of those "MENSA candidates", who quote half a sentence out of context, and claim victory.
What I actually wrote:
You little to be sorry about.
Ball is in your court ...slowly rolling beyond the baseline.
Marchant, with the exception of Turkey and Israel, most of the Middle East has been ruled by dictators. Some, like the Saudi King, and Hosni Mubarak have been well disposed towards the United States. Others, such as Saddam Hussein and the recently deceased Moammar Khadafi, have not.
These leaders are losing their grip and new powers are taking over, not because the United States is pulling strings, but because their societies are changing.
Is this dangerous? Yes.
Can we prevent it? No. These are countries with populations in the 10s of millions. Short of fighting the equivalent of the recently concluded Iraqi War, there is little chance that we could control their internal affairs. I don't know about you, but I don't have a spare trillion dollars or two to spend in such a venture, and neither does Uncle Sam.
If the neither the Egyptian people nor even its army was supporting Mubarak, then his time was up. He should have taken our suggestion when there was time, and stepped down [and then skipped town]; perhaps then he could have spent his final years in comparative comfort, in some foreign country.
dman, I am losing patience.....Obama simply endorsed the Egyptian Government to "quit"...now, we are without Egypt. Simple....QUIT IT
For crying out loud...why the H__— do you support this President even though EVERYTHING has gone wrong?
justoneguy - Are you really losing patience? Gee, too bad.
Once again, using simple words, the United States did not cause the Egyptian revolution, and we could not have prevented it.
To endorse an event is not the same as causing an event; if I tell you I'm happy it's raining it does not mean I caused it to rain, or didn't you get that far in school?
I'm also unclear on what basis you declare that we are "without Egypt".
Egypt is not the 51st state, but an independent country. But the new regime has not yet failed to act responsibly in international affairs. The Morsi government has not disavowed the Camp David accords reached under his predecessors. He acted as an intermediary in arranging a cease-fire during the recent Gaza flare-up, and his government recently arrested a notable suspect in the recent U.S. Embassy attacks.
Yup! Those are the actions of a rogue nation, no question. Don't know how I missed the signals.
"losing patience" ...I like that. I think rather you are just irritated at being required to think rather than just post slogans.
Morsi must relent and create checks and balances for the office he holds, or there will be no peace.The military more than likely will side with the populous.
The Egyptians must serve as the lower house, and their chambers are the Tahir square.Their must be a secular institution involved or this will never work. We knew this from the beginning of our country. The Egyptians are learning this the hard way.
Keep your religion, just keep your religion out of politics.
Next time remember DEmocracy not THEocracy.
coral
VGP coral. That would be excellent advice for another country too.
If sane Egyptians have some sense, they should not permit hating and killing Muslim Blood hounds and their frotns any longer.
They should have known them well by now!
Military and sane Egptians should just kick these hating and killing MBs and Morsi right away. Or else they will have to pay a heavy price!
So if religionists take over the government in Egypt, it's wrong. But if the right wing born agains want to dictate government policy in the US, that's okay?
Whatever develops, the US is in the position of observer. We can advise, scold, urge or just stay silent, but we need to let them work it out themselves. If they choose the Muslim Brotherhood and Sharia law, it's on them, not us. However, it seems they might run into some difficulty if they attempt to establish a theocracy. Seems there are a fair number of Egyptians who don't want their country run by religious extremists.
I don't see how anyone can blame Obama for what the Egyptians do or don't do. He accepted the Muslim Brotherhood because they were elected by a free vote of the Egyptian people. You don't get to advocate for democracy and then repudiate that democracy if it doesn't install the leaders you want. Does France get to tell us who to elect to public office? I suspect they have opinions on the subject.
Looks like Egypt's govt is more accountable to the people than our own. Occupy sure didn't accomplish anything despite months of protesting across the nation by thousands of people, but Egyptians spending 3 weeks in the town square got results.
There is still hope for Egypt.
Well, yeah, that's part of the dichotomy of Republicans...
They're all for state's rights, unless, of course, they want to legalize drugs!
They're all for individual freedoms, unless, of course, someone wants an abortion!
They're all against any kind of government welfare, unless, of course, it is government welfare for their favorite corporate donor!
When has a born again Christian EVER called for the killing of those that disagree with them? you ignorant Phukz?
A Christian cannot even put a nativity scene up anymore,shut up with your rhetoric BS,we are all tired of hearing why you on the left are impotent,it's always someone else's fault,Obama is a Pathetic excuse for a President,and he may have a speck of black in him10% the rest is ARAB And Caucasian so why the big whoop? You hired a Arab that loves Extremist Islamist killers and you refuse to believe any facts about his near past,or any past for that matter,OPEN your eye flaps and wake UP!
Ster2; Born again Christians have no problem shooting doctors and fire bombing clinics, and they are pushing a law in Uganda to kill gay people ... so don't tell me how peace loving you religious fanatics are.
You have no respect for anyone else's religious or political beliefs. You are a pathetic excuse for an American. I did not like what Bush was doing, or how Cheney and his cronies stole billions of dollars from US taxpayers. But I never reviled them they way you constantly attack Obama like a rabid dog. I never insisted on destroying this country, the way the tea party has been doing for the last 4 years.
Take your racist hate to China: no elections, no regulations, no legal system ... should suit you just fine.
Don't you think the extreme religious right wing politicians here should try what you suggest too?
Ster2 you say a christian can't even put a nativity scene up anymore. For 1 they shouldn't be put up on public ground because that shows favortism to 1 religion, but you are free to put one up on your private property. Heck you are even free to put one up in front of your business if you own one. 2nd I will point out that christmas is everywhere. Heck it has even taken over Thanksgiving Day. Radio stations play christmas music before Thanksgiving, and there is even a radio station out there that plays it year around. There are year around Christmas stores. I think there is plenty of Christmas for the christians to be happy about.
Good point Carlson; even Fox Noise has been again (as it seems to be a seasonal meme for them now) claiming there's a 'war on Christmas', LMAO! Heck, just go any town square and see how the local officials put up their respective Christmas decorations. Look at Rockefeller Plaza in NYC and it is very Xmasy
Steve and Carlson,
Those that have killed in the name of God are not Christians,God does his own Azz kickin he doesnt need help from not-jobs,and I do not and have never excepted that disgusting behavior,Anymore than I agree with killing babies or support footing the bill for what I consider murder,I also do not condone my Union to use my dues to give to political party's that condone those Policies,And I agree no publicly owned(American Tax Payers property) property should endorse Any Religious or private Agenda,As a matter of fact Im tired of our Publicly owned schools telling my kids about sex or gay agendas,much less Re-Wright history to fit the Lefts Agenda either,I don't believe the Government should be in our business as much as it is,And again in real life here in America in the last 40 yrs I've been alive,has any Real Christian asked for the death of anyone,(others than those convicted by a court of law to die for their vicious crimes,PERIOD.Even though The Christians have been under attack for all of these years,they are made fun of,ridiculed,lied about on TV,Movies,SNL ect,Romney was called everything but a man of God,but you say one word about Obama who has flip flopped on his religion more than a fish out of water(Rev.Wright anyone) and those people are called everything from tin foil hat wearing to racist,You are the hate filled racist's,I am sick of how Christmas is all about shopping,And Pl-Eese if you even put a bumper sticker on your car A-posed to the lefts Agenda your car or yard gets vandalized by open minded folk as yourselves,So take the Propaganda to your Obamination Crüe.And nobody but the left listens to Fox,it's owned by lefts too,I wouldn't trust them anymore than MSN-BS news,I just like to know what the real tin-foil hat folks are justifying all their crapola on.And it's clear who is watching what.
I am Glad our President is letting Morsi do WHATEVER HE Wants!!
Obama will support Morsi Unconditionally just like I support Obama unconditionally because of his position on Gay Rights!!!
Furthermore, I think we need to put Gay Rights in the U.S. CONSTITUTION!!!
Morsi simply discovered that things take time and he tried to do too much at once. He'll still get his dictatorial powers, albeit over a little longer time period.
Blowbamasucks
You and those like you are exactly why the Republicans won't win a national election anytime soon. You are so full of hatred that nobody want to be around you or your kind.
Go crawl back under your hate rock and leave the decent people alone. We have better, more important things to do then deal with the disgusting likes of you.
Who is in control of the military? Is the Egyptian military a separate org. not under the control of Morci?
Answer that question, and you will know who is in control of the country.
OCinLA
Who is in control of the military? Is the Egyptian military a separate org. not under the control of Morci
to answer that like everything else...follow the money. Guess who pays for those tanks and planes of theirs, enough said.
The new constitution includes a lot of benefits and privileges for the army much more than the old one . If the army would interfere , it will do it to protect MB . Officially , Morsi is the general leader of the army. So , actually , the army is warning the revolutionists , talking in behalf of Morsi.I see a lot of blood.
At this time my guess for who controls the military is its own Generals. I can actually say I have a good bit of respect for them. They had control and could have easily appointed someone of their choosing as dictator, but they didnt.
OK, I must spell it out for you, the USA pays for the Egyptian Army. Billions.
"Egypt gets the most U.S. foreign aid of any country except for Israel."
"Military aid — which comes through a funding stream known as Foreign Military Financing — has held steady at about $1.3 billion since 1987"
http://www.propublica.org/blog/item/f.a.q.-on-u.s.-aid-to-egypt-where-does-the-money-go-who-decides-how-spent
Military aid — which comes through a funding stream known as Foreign Military Financing — has held steady at about $1.3 billion since 1987
http://www.propublica.org/blog/item/f.a.q.-on-u.s.-aid-to-egypt-where-does-the-money-go-who-decides-how-spent
Morsi and the Muslim Brotherood have shown very quickly that they are unable to govern.Furthermore, even if they did win the election.it doesn´t give them a right to put in a dictatorship.They must be overthrown.If the opposition can do i,.so much te better.But I fear only the military can do it now.If the military had stepped in with Turkey, whose leader is trying to put in a sharia dictatorship.Turkey would not be a terrorist supporting nation nor one brutally suppressing the secular nature of the country..Egypt is the same.For the good of Egypt,the region and the world. get rid of this dictator now.!!
And get rid of our dictator too!! Obama is Buddy buddy with all these extremist!
Ster
You and blobama are cut from the same hateful, ignorant cloth. We are quickly losing our patience with the likes of you two. All you can do is preach hatred then claim you harbor no hatred. You're all alike and it's not pretty.
Military should intervene right away.
What dialogue one can have with one-way track Sunni Islamic MB Nazis and his Morsi?
MB and Morsi will not keep a word of any peace deal, pact or anything.
It is going to be mad seventh century Sharia laws!
Longer the Sunni Islamic MB Nazis continue it will be bad news for military, sane Egyptians, Christains, females and Jews of Israel.
Just one battle cry: kick, kick harder and kick hardest MB and all their key mad people!
The Military did intervine just not with guns, yet. It was a diplimatic response for now. You don't think he backed down because of some protester do you?
I hope our military does the same when Obamanation does the same crap.Oh wait he is already doing it,under the blinders of the left.
ster
I am convinced that you are neither good nor a Christian. What is wrong with you.? All you do is ooze hatred. Your Mormon cultist didn't win, get over it. You and those like you are quickly becoming just as irrelevant as your failed candidate.
The half life of dictators is becoming remarkably short.
so far, its a good thing that we keep giving aid to the egyptian military to keep them on the side of not letting the MB run free.
I agree, the Egyptian military seems to acting in a way that shows they are honorable.
They are a "stabilizing influence" to the region. ROFLMAO
OK, maybe I should have said "Honorable to their own people". What I didnt say is that they were perfect or angels. Compare them to the Syrian military though......
Mubarak was derided for his one man control . Looks like he had a point . Hopefully the Egyptian military will not let the country travel down the " Islamic Republic " Road .
If Republicans insist on forcing their religion on our government, who are we to tell Morsi not to force his religion on his government?
Yawn Steve...so off topic, politically incorrect and biased. You're a miracle.
Why are you and your boyfriend running out of gimmes?
Yawn, Dave... so off topic, politically incorrect and biased. You're a miracle.
How is this off topic? Republicans insist on pushing their religious beliefs on the rest of this country. I am Catholic, but do not feel a need to insist that everyone must do as I do, believe as I believe. Our founding fathers left Europe to flee religious persecution. Republicans now insist on legislating religious persecution, insisting we are a christian nation, not a secular nation. Too bad you are not mentally capable of actually providing a rational response.
Blow: just get over it, you lost the election and nobody cares how many four letter words you can come up with. It is amazing you can even use a keyboard since you are not capable of putting a rational idea together ... much less a sentence.
No Freedom of Speech (insults to the prophet prohibited)... No protections for Women (vague statement of "family values".... meaning wife-beating is ok.) No protections for Religious Minorities (Islam is the basis for all legislation) Yep, a total Muslim Brotherhood Theocracy! EGYPT!! Stop This!
Why do you even care? Don't we have enough to worry about here?
Because Obama is doing the same thing here!! Duh
Ster2 --
Not that you would care, but I put you on ignore about 4 or 5 comments ago. Next time I click on a discussion forum I can be assured that I will not have to read your comments. You are inconsistent in everything and you have nothing to add to the conversation.
Correction: Just the act of posting my comment updated the ignore status and I see you are now already on ignore. I guess I'll read on...
Oh dear COinFl,
How will I sleep at night knowing you have me on ignore,hahaha
COinFL, ditto. Agree with you 100%.
islam is nothing but an evil virus. A virus is not a logical thing. A civilized person cannot have a logical dialogue with a virus, although it has been tried on many fateful occasions. Einstein said,"Insanity is the act of doing something over and over again while expecting a different outcome". There will never be a different outcome. So when will the rest of the civilized world realize this? All you can do to protect yourself and your loved ones is to isolate the virus carriers and let the infected kill each other. Stand clear and watch as it is happening now all the infected islamic nations. Pretty soon (allah willing) No carriers.....no virus.
This is Morsi's first test. If he does not give up his self-granted powers then he is doomed to follow Mubarak into the annals of overthrown Egyptian Presidents. If he does give up his powers it will signify that he is not the boogeyman many believe or want him to be.
I doubt that anything will come of it, but it appears El-Ghad makes for a good representative for starters. I still believe Morsi is just trying to run out the clock.
This is a rare case where the military taking over until things settle down is justified.
They had temporary control during the overthrow of the goverment and kept their word and stepped aside as promised albeit Morsi replaced some top Officers with others he deemed friendlier towards him.
The Top Generals are in control of the military and the ones "promoted away" still have the loyalty of their troops and fellow Officers.
Morsi will have to reform himself and his policies or he will be invisible once again.
Why army not protect the legitimate of the revolution and legitimacy of the president's election to draft a new constitution accepted and agreed upon by all Egyptians rather than the Islamic extremist constitution draft which has been rejected from moderate Muslims of the Egyptian people
Why army not fit his mistake and reformulate the constitution of revolutionary as long as the legitimacy of revolution is still list and the Army is the actual garde for egypt and the first Responsible for the security of the country and the people
Instead of taking only warning site of political forces of "dire consequences" if the crisis is not resolved constitutionality of Muslim extremists in Egypt
@Seven
Islam is no virus,but you are most certainly a cancer.
From the HOLY Quran:
You can also view:
8:12,13,39 - 47:35 - 2:216,244 - 9:29,111
kennyw-2983735.....actually I am a Pisces not a cancer. It is your right to have an opinion, thanks to the brave men and women who have died to give us freedom of speech.
Let me see now to give you some examples of a virus so that you may understand my observations. A virus spreads without a positive agenda leaving nothing but death, destruction and despair in its wake.....islam A virus kills without logic....islam. A virus has no compassion nor does it show mercy in any way to young, old, women, men or children.....islam. A virus will often hide itself or make the sufferer believe it is something else to get what it wants....islam. A virus leaves no one happy.....islam I.E. can you say Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Somalia...need I go on?
My Opinion. "If you lead your life by the rules put forth in a book about a Liar, A Rapist of Children, A tortuous evil murderer, A thief and an egotistical, self- centered megalomaniac, you surely have nothing to contribute to a civilized society and you have my permission to end yourself". Please do so quickly and quietly and leave the rest of civilization in peace. The non-infected humans grow tired of your diseased zombies and the stench of death they leave in their wake.
Egypt's President Morsi is elected, his Islamist brothers take control of the constitutional senate, proceed to move on with their agenda while ignoring and blocking input from the other political party's elected representatives, and proceed to go about setting themselves up as untouchable. That sure has a familiar ring to it. Oh yea, isn't that exactly what President Obama and the Democrats have done in our nations Capitol?
Have you folks heard the latest Obama Friday evening political move? He's making payment to another group of his voter base with our tax dollars. He has now proclaimed that college students with federal government loans they took out for college now are only required to make payments based on 10% of their discretionary income for the next 20-years. If these college grads are smart enough to minimize their discretionary income by taking out big loans or mortgages, they can stall payment of those government college loans for 20-years and guess what Obama says happens then? There is currently no way for our government to figure out what is or is not discretionary spending. After 20-years, the balance of those loans are forgiven. Their is no end to the corruption of this administration and the Democrat Party.
"Payments?" You must be a Mitt parrot.
So if Mitt was elected and gave a tax break to the rich would you call that a payment?
Tax breaks to businesses "payments"
Would giving more $$ to the military be a "payment"
Would saving medicare and SS be "payments"
I guess from now on whenever some group gets some break we'll just call them "payments" to their base ok? Oh and in case you don't know the GOP gives out lots of "payments" to its base. Idiot Parrot
The whitehouse needs to heed the warning, because American's are watching... and NO ONE messes with the Constitution...nor has absolute power in this country, nor Egypt!
Haha that's funny David,
That's exactly what Obama has been doing is flushing our Constitution down the flusher,Egypt seems to have more Ballz than America,I hope when we start circling the flusher the military kicks Obama out of our House!!!And the rest of us still have our arms to flush the system.
Fool me once shame on you...fool me twice shame on me.
Those people in Egypt better get their chit together and decide what they want!!!
Anything called a brotherhood..is nothing but trouble!
Possibly, this will keep Morsi's head off a pike!
Morsi must either be an idiot or incredibly full of himself. What on earth made him think the Egyptian people, who just got rid of one dictator, would sit still for another?
Obama told them he was a good guy!!
This just gives the brotherhood time to get all those suicide jackets made and figure out exactly who the need to assassinate to cause the most terror in the hearts of their fellow Egyptians. Once they get them scared enough they'll be more likely to toe the sharia line like good little scared sheep....isnt that right Saudi Arabia
Sweeping power is in his heart not on paper you fools..
The reality is that the entirety of the Middle East is going to undergo a lot of unrest,uncertainty and,unfortunately,bloodshed over the next 10+ years. More than is typical and maybe more than has been seen in any of our lifetimes. And the impact of the US in particular and the West in general on this process is likely to be minimal. We can be a referee of sorts,but the game still has to be played by the players.
People there are determined to have self-determination in their countries. Is this always,or even most of the time,going to lead to a government that is to the US's liking? Very probably no,it won't (see Hamas winning Palestinian parliamentary elections in January 2006...).
But over time this era will hopefully one day be looked back on as a renaissance of sorts in the Middle East. Given the culture shock of what having things like equality for women and respect for divergent religions,all things that seem quite possible to be achieved,though it most certainly will NOT happen overnight,it's a given that there is going to be a lot of strife to get there.
As long as Egypt tries to form a secular governing body, there will never be peace in the region. Secularism is an affront to the ability to make decisions based in reality, rather than having to refer to some ancient text, written in long-passed times, by a biased author, mostly out of touch with the new realities in play today! Religion is the basis of conflict, and rarely the solution to it.
@ Jack : i agree wholeheartedly with the statement that you were trying to make but i feel the need to point out your rather egregious error. Secularism means to be apart from religion. In theory the seperation of church and state in the united states is a secular government. your argument is with the non-seculars.
I think that Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi is just trying to get things moving forward in his country. He moved quickly to compromise when he realized that a large portion of the populous is wary of his decrees that gave him so much power, which they should be. Democracy is a very new idea there; there's going to be a steep learning curve. But the majority of the Egyptian people seem to want a democracy and are willing to press for one. I don't know what we on the outside can do except keep watching and let the Egyptian people that we support them.
MakD12: Your attitude is exactly how people like Morsi and Hitler and the Iranian goverment got in power. you will give him the benefit of the doubt until the bloodshed is filling the streets. Good luck!
They wanted Democracy .... what they got was Demon Crazy. These Egyptians will never have freedom. It is impossible for them to see beyond the sides of the islam box they have built for themselves and now whose brains now reside therein. islam enslaves one's brain with evil thoughts and it does not allow for individuals to be free thinkers. Ask yourself this. When was the last time you heard of society changing (in a positive helpful way) idea to come from a muslime country? Except for how to behead someone with a knife or new stoning techniques. Iran for example, is still trying to get a nuke.......70 years after it was invented. 70 years! I am amazed they even have they even have the "Wheel".
"Life is tough, it is even tougher when you are stupid." John Wayne