Fallen but never forgotten !

God bless the seals !

another selfless hero to rescue or protect us all !

It bothers me that these do-gooders go into hostile areas and then we lose good men like this SEAL trying to rescue them. I am not saying that anyone deserves to be taken hostage, but at what point do we start telling these stupid civilians that if they are going to go into insecure areas where they are at risk that they are on their own. They get themselves in trouble by taking stupid risks and then expect the US military to some rescue them. We then put an entire SEAL squad at risk going in to rescue them. If someone is kidnapped in an otherwise safe area I can understand using the military to go in and get them back. However, when someone knowingly and willingly goes into an area where they know they are at extremely high risk should we really be risking more lives to go in and rescue them from their own stupidity. This is one death of a SEAL that could have been avoided if these stupid do-gooders would just stay the hell out of these high risk areas. Hopefully this doctor has learned his lesson and will not put himself in a similar situation again where others must risk their lives to bail him out.

My condolences to the family and friends of the fallen SEAL team member.

They do not differentiate between whether they should have been there or not. He was an American and the Seals would have volunteered to go in to get him without orders. That is what they do, that is their level of honor to their country. Prayers to the family of this fallen hero and to his teammates, who have been through this time and again over the past few years and decade. Stay strong brothers.

@JS - But when people like this doctor goes into these areas, he affects the lives of hundreds of families who see an American trying to help them. Some of these people realize that we are not the bad guys. Then they see the Taliban come in and take the man who was saving their son's life from some illness. There are evil people in the world who want to promote fear in others so they can be controlled. The question is, do we give into that fear and do nothing. These soldiers were all brave men, but so was this doctor who wanted to do something good in an area filled with fear. Don't let yourself be distracted by who the real bad guys were in this story.

Whether or not the Seals volunteered is not the issue, we all know and respect them for their Courage and Honor, which goes to all Service Members past and present.

The REAL issue at hand is should they have ever been put into that situation, to rescue a person who shouldn't not have ever been there in the first place. If this doctor need to do something to help out the needy then why not help out locally.

It is a sad state that the people in that part of the world find themselves in, but as so many of them point out they have been around a lot longer then most of the countries of the world, so my question is why are they so bass akwords and in the condition they find themselves in.

I say the Dr. did nothing wrong. How can one do wrong when trying to do right. This was on the Taliban. And I say God Bless all those Seals that went in to get this Dr. I am proud of all of them. Most of the one that gave all.

TheKhanKubla,

That is the point the Doctor did NOT have to be here as part of President Obama's US Civilian Surge on going since August 2009 attempting to do the US Military Asymmetric Warfare (aka Special Warfare) Humanitarian Assistance Mission.

They (Red Cross Aid Workers) were told repeatedly prior to and after getting here to paint over the Red Cross with a Red Crescent, even repackage any Red Cross to Red Crescent at ANY Islamic Nation, as the Islamic Jihadists HATE (Attack with extreme violence) anything with Bright Red "Crusader's Crosses" on them.

The Aid Workers, Contractors, etc. are told to maintain continuous contact, not to deviate from their preplanned routes, routinely check their location, learn to read more accurate military maps and using a magnetic compass, and learn some basic phrases. And what do we get some of them ignore our briefings, many refuse to buy cheap cell phones and b!tch and moan because their US iPhone (locked) does not work (and yes, they put in cell phone relays all over the place, with these also used by the Taliban, Al Quada, etc. lookouts to warn them or remote detonated IEDs.). And who gets the blame, the US Department of State, the US Military and ISAF.

10 aid workers killed in Afghanistan

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2010/08/07/aid-workers-killed-afghanistan.html

Route thought safe

The team, made up of doctors, nurses and logistics personnel, was attacked as it was returning to Kabul following a two-week mission in Nuristan, Frans said. They had decided to travel through Badakhshan province to return to the capital because they thought that would be the safest route, Frans said.

After the investigation it was found out that they were previously told to stay OUT of Badakhshan Province, and they thought that it was a quicker route to get to Kabul so they ordered the driver to deviate from their preplanned (approved) route.

Wars do ONE THING, gives the Darwin Award to those that do stup!d things and f**ks up physically or mentally the participants so that they NEVER want to participate again and will do anything to not participate again.

The catch is that those of us that do not want to participate are considered "Sane"; but, it is our sh!tty attitude of not wanting to be here, so getting the mission done so that we all can go home, meaning we get RESULTS, so the powers that be keep us here longer. While those that go rah, rah, rah Patriotism, Political Partisanship, Lame Excuses, Warmongers (chickenhawks that were never involved in up close combat), REMFs are considered "Insane" and get to go home, go to schools to get promoted, etc.. Same sh!t as before, just a different year.

Condolences to the family, friends and fellow Seals who knew this brave warrior. No greater act of courage can be shown than to give one's own life to save that of anothers.

Our thoughts and prayers are with you.

For the operator, his fellow teams, and his surviving family:

Ut ceteri viveri possint

Thank you from a grateful vet.

@David - Don't be so naive! People like this doctor do not go to Afghanistan without the government's approval. It is all a part of the overall mission to win the hearts and minds of the people. Not every goodwill mission into this country needs to be a government program. There are private ones so the people in Afghanistan see that it is not just some government propaganda. I'm not just some couch potato behind the keyboard theorist, I spent 2 wars and over 7 years in the Middle East. These are people set in their ways, uneducated for the most part who will believe what their Imams tell them. It's harder to believe your Imam when you see concerned people from the USA helping you and your family while the Imam is telling you or your child to strap on bombs and kill innocent people because we are all evil. Don't expect progress in a day or even a year, it takes time for word to spread. But it is spreading. You've seen it, 14 year old girls standing up to the Taliban, girls in Iran slugging some cleric because he disapproved of what she was wearing. It's like a 10 ton rock being pushed over a hill, but once it gets rolling, there will be no stopping it.

That's the problem Khan, the government shouldn't be allowing these people into the theatre of operations, period. I get that the perception works for some of those that are receiving the treatment, but not to their neighbors. I'm a vet with middle east operations under my belt and I can assure you that they will love you when your the dominant presence, but will dispise you when your presence isn't there any longer or if your presence among them is presented as weak. They always side with the team that is stronger. They love you walking through their village handing out water and candy, then turn to the Talib's to report your position. Besides, the military has their doctors, medics, nurses, and caregivers that already point to the fact that not only are they there to heal their families, they will also kick the Taliban in the teeth at the same time. But no matter how much we do for them, it's all for nothing in the sense of gaining their "hearts and minds" because culturally, their hearts and minds do not belong to them but to allah and his prophet Muhamed. Those Afghani's that watched the Americans being taken hostage, were more than likely the ones who ratted the doctors and his staff out because they can't be seen collaborating with the "enemy". If they are caught doing so, they end up beheaded and disemboweled along with their kids. Even if they wanted to be gratefull and feel in their hearts that Americans are the "good guys", their allegance changes to the taliban as a matter of survival and they cooperate willingly. But if there are soldiers there in force disguising a humanitarian operation, then there is enough plausibility to deny that they were working with the Americans. There is no way that two girls in the middle east will budge the 10 ton rock you speak of, especially when the protesting girl in Afghanistan had to leave the country to stay alive and I can't find any stories on where that woman who kicked the crap out of the cleric in Iran is. For all we know, she was beaten, raped, and stoned to death in a secret prison after being turned in by her neighbors or relatives. It's truly noble to believe what you believe and I can only pray to God now that their eyes will be opened to what is truly right because my hope and faith in them to do so are gone. But the civilians need to stay out of there no matter what place their hearts are in; for good or bad intentions, they will ultimately keep a loving family here in our country from seeing their daddy, momy, brother, sister, son or daughter ever again. I don't find their services selfless in this sense, but selfish because they feel their intentions are of more importance than the actual life of those that have to pull them out of danger.

YukonJack - believe me, my sunnier side says that these programs do good. My darker side though thinks we'd be better off nuking the entire Middle East from dawn til dusk and put an end to all this killing once and for all.

TheKhanKubla - @David - Don't be so naive!

Come over here and see who is naive. You can stay with us living with the locals for a couple of weeks before the near Arctic Winter hits (even we don't like it up here in the mountains during the winters after all the US Military Conventional Warfare Forces go south for the winter).

Like my previous posts about our US Military Asymmetric Mountain Warfare Mission as Humanitarian Assistance; we buy materials for the Afghans to build schools and medical clinics (so that they have a sense of ownership, we help them build we don't build for them). We live with them for years of consecutive tours to gain their trust (with their lives, ask yourself how long would you have to know someone before you trust them with your life and your families lives.). We teach at the schools they built, and we have our teams going to the villages to provide medical treatments each week.

Then the Civilian NGOs took over the schools and medical clinics, so of course the Afghans do not trust them (most do not know the languages nor Islam). Think about that, a Civilian Male Doctor attempting to provide Medical Treatments to an Islamic Woman without that Civilian Male Doctor knowing what that means, what do you think the Afghans are thinking (short of wanting to chop that male Doctor's hands off), do you honestly believe that this helps (we know it does not having to argue with them to allow exceptions due to ignorance of Islamic Laws). Our solution having women (nicknamed "Lionesses" previously Amazons) on our Teams as trained medical professionals treat the Islamic women.

TheKhanKubla - I spent 2 wars and over 7 years in the Middle East.

And that makes you an "Expert". When did you go to College at an Islamic Nation to learn Arabic, then learn Islam (taught in Arabic). Most of us survivors have been involved with the "Middle East" (including Islamic Nations not at the "Middle East") since the 1980s doing those Non Humanitarian Assistance Missions. Just to let you know ahead of time, I never wanted this miserable job, I wanted a cush desk job like the rest of the then "Peacetime US Military", I had previously seen my fair share of combat.

And yes, we had to make those hard decisions of either getting blown up by a child wearing a remote detonated bomb in a small backpack or take the shot without hesitation.

Those of us that have been involved with US Ally Afghanistan since the 1980s know from firsthand experience that US Ally Afghanistan was a 20th Century Nation as built up by the US from the 1950s till the 1979 USSR 40th Army Invasion, with the later 1990s Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban destroying everything "Western", "Modern", "Non Islamic" of 20th Century US Ally Afghanistan. Just like the current "Taliban of Somalia" as Al Sheebah attempted to do recently to destroy all of the "Modern", "Non Islamic", "Western" as built up to end the cycles of droughts and famine during UN Mission Somalia I aka Operation Restore Hope and UN Mission Somalia II aka Operation Continue Hope.

The big problem here is Fundamentalist Islam, as in the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban eliminated (murdered) the moderate Imams at the Mosques and replaced them with their own Fundamentalist Islamic Imams. Yes, we sit in the Mosques listening to the Fundamentalist Islamic Imams rant and rave against the US and US Allies (including the Collaborators to the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers like US Ally President Karzai), with us "talking down" the Afghans from violence later on. It has come to mind methods to make those Fundamentalist Islamic Imams disappear or drop dead; however, that was immediately suppressed as a viable solution (cause an International Incident inciting the over 1.5 Billion Islamic Believers Worldwide.).

JS in SD - well said.

I am sure the SEALS thought to themselves before going in, "hey this doctor is in there saving lives, we should do the same" I say bless them all, both the doctor and the SEALS for HELPING people!

Very sad that the life of a Navy Seal was lost. Very sad indeed. Even worse is the fact that this doctor voluntarily put himself in a dangerous place with full knowledge of where he wanted to go and it cost the life of a fine serviceman. If this doctor felt he wanted to do good then there are millions of Americans who could use his services right here in this country. But his choice as well as the choice of Morningstar Developement to go to a war zone puts the blood of the Navy Seal squarely on their hands.

Tell me again why we are still there?

How much was the Dr. getting paid? You don`t think he was working for free, do you. All these NON profit deals, somebody is getting paid. Deepest sympathy to the Seals family.

Yes why are we still in that damn country, didn't they tell us a while back that the war was over and the troops were coming home,and what a waist off money,while America's econmy is going down the toilet.

After a liittle research (google) I have found that morningstar is an Evangelical group who is hell bent on converting the heathen masses into good little christians. My question is this. With this knowledge, why in the hell did our state department allow this group to go into an ongoing warzone? And why are our troops being put in harms way trying to rescue them when things go bad. If you want to play good doctor with a bunch of people who hate Americans then do it at your own risk.

A lot of people here have criticized the doctor, which is nuts. We either write off entire parts of the world or we don't. The doctor was doing good work there with Afghan assistance. The Taliban tried to end this work with their terrorism, obviously because it was winning hearts and minds away from their diabolical agenda. The lesson we hope to teach by all of this is that good people cannot be intimidated into not doing good by evil people like the Taliban. Condolences to the family of the SEAL and others who may have died in the rescue mission to make this point! This having been said, when Karzai mouthes off that we are part of the problem, I sort of agree we ought to just go now and see how he likes that. Except, it probably would not be in our best interest to act so precipitously.

A better thing to do is to train their own doctors and help them with the means to set up and run a clinic thru these non profit groups. But by sending in evangelicals with an underlying motive is not what we should be doing. That is a recipe for what had just happened.

These NGO's do wonderful work, but when their enthusiasm inadvertently places others in harm's way, it is time for restrictions to be placed on the geographical scope of humanitarian aid. Sadly there will be jihadists who have been taught to believe that murdering unarmed foreign aid workers is a noble pursuit. Once again it is time for the West to pull out our troops and take our NGO's with us. These animals are not ready for the twenty-first century.

In all these nonsense of medical teams doing service in rural/troubled areas, it is the poor soldiers who get killed/hurt.

One fails to understand the idiotic doctors like Dr. Dilip Joseph and his medical mission, when they know that Afghanistan, Pakistan and some more Muslim basket case nations have become "no go" areas!

These people are risking their own lives and risking others lives also!

Even those Afghans who help them are many a times torn to pieces as CIA agents!

Rest In Peace Sir Comrade.

Thank you for your ultimate sacrifice while working to help humanity understand and get along with each other.

CD

Excellent posts, JS in SD and Jonathan. Well said.

I wish condolences to the family of this heroic Navy SEAL.

That being said, our civilians have NO BUSINESS being in these hostile, dangerous pokey-dunk cat litter boxes for ANY reason, no matter how seemingly "noble" it is. Least of all, during wartime. PERIOD.

Proud of the SEALS, not so much the doctor. When SEALS, or any other military unit for that matter, are in trouble I have never seen unit of doctors, or missionaries, or nuns, or reporters or anyone else mounting a rescue effort. There are PLENTY of people on freindly soil (try your own country @!$%#) that could benefit from this doctors skill. But no, he and others feel the need to go to some hostile area to get the max out of the recognition. All who feel compelled to follow this pattern should do so knowing they are on their own when the trouble starts. An absolute waste of military personnel.

This doctor was serving the people of Afghanistan, who are suffering from illnesses and medical conditions that could easily be treated here. However, due to the fact that they were born in Afghanistan, or any other third world country, the medical treatment is at least 50 years behind. Organizations like Morning Star Development of Colorado Springs, Doctors Without Borders, etc. go where there is extreme need. There are not free clinics to go to for immunization shots for measles, mumps, polio, etc. The loss of this soldiers life is a tragedy, but to do nothing to save the life of an American citizen taken hostage by Taliban terrorists would be even worse.

ani4ani - You say that when the military are in trouble you have never seen unit of doctors mounting a rescue effort. You might want to visit your local VA Hospital. There are a great deal of doctors, nurses, occupational therapists, etc. that work for far below the standard pay for their occupations that serve our military, active duty and retired, every day.

I sometimes feel people like this do gooder DR. is out there going into these dangerous war zones more to make themselves feel good than actually doing good. That Navy Seal was worth a hundred of these do gooder self righteous Dr's that put our people at risk putting themselves in these situations. Too bad the Seal is dead instead of the damn Doctor.

Deepest condolences to the family of the brave SEAL who gave his life in the service of his country.

Bill did you see those doctors, nurses or occupational therapists joining the rescue mission to rescue this doctor? Because that's what the topic was, not whether or not they are serving the military by working in the united states. Afghanistan has been around much longer than the United states and is still stuck back in the dark ages. They have had much longer than many other countries to catch up in terms of treating illnesses and disease yet they have not. That whole place is full of backstabbers who would just love a chance to hurt Americans. There have been several incidents of "friendly" fire where afghan police or military were supposed to be working with our troops were suddenly fired upon by them. These are not people who want or deserve our help and we need to either get out of there or blow it up because all these people know is war, we think we've seen war? Their grandparents were born into it and it's been nothing but war for them their whole lives.

That doctor was not worth the life of a Seal.

God bless and he keep his hand upon u during this family's need. And, all the other soldiers through the years, that fought for our country.

What does President Obama think about losing a Navy SEAL to save a doctor who chose to be in Afghanistan. Why hasn't he come out and talked about this tragedy---silence. There is no reason for celebration.

This one goes way over the "red line" of Service. My deepest Condolences to the Family of this Young, valuable Hero.

This is just plain awful--a hostage is saved, and the "Saver" is killed. There are no winners here.

This stupid doctor should not have been there in the first place. Now an American SEAL is dead because of him. This NGO should have to pay for the time and costs of the rescue. If these civilians are so dumb to go into a war zone they should not expect the US military to get them out of trouble. They don't belong there.

7.62x39mm says: "That doctor was not worth the life of a Seal."

This is the best sentence that has been posted so far.

I sincerely hope the "do gooder" doctor is happy now. If he is so hell bent on giving away free medical service then I have a suggestion for him: Give free, lifetime medical service to the surviving family members of the Seal - - then you would be doing something worthwhile.

The Seals are there to protect the interests of this country - not sacrifice their lives to rescue some dumb a$$ed fools that get in way over their heads in a country they should not be in in the first place.

A vet.

"On Saturday evening, two of the hostages were released. The two men then made their way out of the area and were taken to a police station."

.......Does that seem a bit sketchy to anyone else? They went to all that trouble to kidnap them to just release them?

Rest In Peace GOOD American Warrior. You ARE with THE MAN Now.

Excuse me... This is the kind of work that the SEALs do and the military overall. We SERVE. If there is a disaster, the National Guardsmen doesn't say, "Gee, maybe you should have planned better." They serve. When something goes terribly wrong on a battlefield, medics don't say, "Gee, maybe these guys should have been watching their 6 better." When the military is told to go to war, they do it whether they agree or disagree. That's why military folk take oath. That's why they are different then civilians. It doesn't matter why that doctor was there. He's an American. We take care of our own and the SEALs did their duty. If we let the Taliban and other terrorist take our people willy-nilly. Each time we get one of our backs, they pay a price. Eventually, they might figure out that it isn't worth the price.

HOTTICKET: Thanks a lot!! Your posts are great too!

Too much of tax monies, too many lives (injured and dead soldiers and other support staff) and lots economic mess, due to wrong wars in wrong places and that too with allies like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

Saudis and Pakis had a hand in 9/11. There was UAE funding too!

The idiotic Bush and his team, who knew only Saudi Arabia, oil monies, Christian right and their lobbyists went into Afghan and Iraqi wars. Only they could get into these wars and "accomplish mission" too!!!!

Just examine the consequences of these idiotic wars in wrong places!

" Joseph, who worked with the non-profit Morning Star Development of Colorado Springs, was kidnapped Wednesday along with two Afghan staff members -- one is part of the medical team, the other part of the support team."

Are the people in Morning Star Development in this world? Don't they know the realities in Afghanistan to send the medical teams?

Oppose idiotic and meaningless wars to begin in Syria, Iran and other places.

Let us save lives while delivering condolences to affected family members!

NO MORE INJURED OR DEAD SOLDIERS FOR WRONG PEOPLE and WRONG CAUSES!

I agree with you, Jersey. Here's something that I don't understand; Why is the death of a SEAL, who died while serving his country, nothing more than a blurb on MSN's home page, while the deaths of a singer and another thug football player grab headlines?

Thanks to all of our servicemen and women. Some of us appreciate you, and the sacrifices you've made.

That's what you think is most important about this story?

Don---THANK YOU!

Exactly Rob. Civilians should keep their dumb asses out of war zones. Hope he knows that a good man is dead because of him. Likely that he doesn't care because he is a Doctor and the military guy was, well you know, just American cannon fodder anyway.

Ya known people like that, bunch of self absorbed self righteous azz holes who even after being told not to go into areas like that or not to do something because it's dangerous, they go ahead and do it anyway. Then oops the SHTF and they expect to be rescued at any cost, because they think they were right not matter what.

Then when others die or get injured saving them their like oh well that the price of being me. A hole should be forced to treat wounded vets for free for the the rest of his life to pay back his debt to a real HERO.

Really Robbob and AZ. Are now all of that are there trying to help the people. We have Dr. like this one all over the world trying to help people. They risk there life's every day. This one did in Afghanistan. I know in my heart this Seal gladly gave his life to get this man, This Dr. back and along the way i bet they took out many Taliban. And brought a few back as well. I am sure this was a successful operation. Our Hero's as always.

The guy they risked trying to rescue is a doctor, maybe an intelligence gatherer. FOX News wants Obama impeached and Susan Rice jailed for not making an effort to rescue Ambassador Stevens in Libya. Brave individuals are risking their lives to keep America safe, and or, ahead of terrorism; yet some folks will condemn not matter what.

Chuck, that doctor probably killed more Afghanis than he helped. If the Afghanis are caught by the Taliban collaborating any way with a westerner for any reason, they are killed; especially when the westerner is somebody they can't gain military intel off of. Men, women, kids...doesn't matter, they will kill them. His intentions, albeit good; were careless, self-righteous, and ultimately put people in danger that should have never been in the first place. It seems to me the old saying of "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" applies to this case and in the middle east in general.

@YukonJack-6287181, you don't know that about the doctor. Stop making things up without providing specific corroborating evidence.

I say good for the doctor helping people and having the courage to be in a hostile place when I see a whole lot of other doctors doing nothing but breast jobs!!! Yes it is sad a SEAL lost his life, but I am pretty sure he knew what he was getting himself into, why do you thing he got to be a SEAL in the first place! God Bless the doctor and the SEALS!

This is a part of the mess.

Only Bush and his team could get into wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, one of the toughest battle zones in the world, at the same time.

Only they could have the most ungrateful and biggest backstabbers of the history, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, as allies!

Obama promised change. Only change we are seeing is that he is getting the US and allies war machines ready for Syria and Iran!

For all these politicians, it appears that Saudis and their oil companies and their lobbyists money, Christian right and Jewish nutcases ideas/dances/dramas are determining factors and rest are pure shows for the general public!!!!

In Afghanistan, Pakis have backstabbed the US and NATO forces big time. Half of NATO forces deaths are due to ungrateful and backstabbing Pakis.

When the NATO forces were entering Kandahar in 2001, Pakis airlifted key al-Qaida, Taliban, ISI and others militants by back door from Kandahar.

This includes Mullah Omar, Osama and many including Paki Haqqani militant network leaders.

Hope people remember about Pakis sheltering Osama.

These Paki Islamic religious Nazis don't bother about their people and they are into reckless killing games in the name of jihad.

Drone attacks are not enough. To reduce NATO forces losses, carpet bomb Paki militant areas just like 1991 Iraqi war.

Or else just get out right now.

davefromdanapointca

After a liittle research (google) I have found that morningstar is an Evangelical group who is hell bent on converting the heathen masses into good little christians. My question is this. With this knowledge, why in the hell did our state department allow this group to go into an ongoing warzone? And why are our troops being put in harms way trying to rescue them when things go bad. If you want to play good doctor with a bunch of people who hate Americans then do it at your own risk.

Your Google-Fu is weak.

My research of just a few minutes shows that Morningstar INTERNATIONAL is the OLD name of an evangelical ministry which sends missionaries all over the world, particularly Africa, and which is now known as "Every Nation".

Its founders are entirely different from those of Morning Star Development, which, while also a "faith-based" organization, explicitly states that they do NOT "evangelize" in nations which forbid doing so.....such as Afghanistan.

So many death trollers. sigh So little real compassion for our fallen SEAL.

Once upon a time people expressed real concern and sympathy for those who were left behind rather than spewing out their personal political opinions on the shortcomings of the government. There's a time and a place for that sort of thing and it's not here. Those rants belong on the political threads.

chris-2252558 - -

You have your priorities totally backwards.

The sad part is that if you were caught up in some hostile situation that you have no business being in to start with, you would expect that it's Seals job to come and bail you out. Would this also apply here in the U.S? The uproar would be louder than a nuclear explosion.

Makes me wonder why we didnt send a seal unit in to at least try to save our americans in the terroist attack in Benghazi? Surely they desereved the same effort as a doctor.

Yeah, he should have said "hey, hurry up and kill me because the SEALS might be coming." What an insightful observation to make. And if, God forbid, anyone ever abducts you, you should do the same before the police risk their lives to save you.

The are some incredibly lame comments by people here who are trying to overshadow the sacrifice this young hero made, as well as the risks the doctor knowingly took. Bad things happen to good people, but good people keep trying to be good people doing good things despite the inane and meaningless observations of the peanut gallery of armchair quarterbacks.

Bull. We've poured billiions into Muslim countries. Is anything better anywhere? No! BUT AMERICAN LIVES LOST.

The doctor should have gone somewhere to help where people would be grateful. If, God forbid, someone abducts you in a situation like this, I hope you don't value your life over that of some young hero.

People that use caps to emphasize points JUST LOOK STOOPID.

It was a POINT WORTH MAKING.

The same could be said about peeple hoo deeelibrutlee misspelll werds...but then again, maybe you thought you had the correct spelling.

Thank you, chefaz. Also, axelooo, it's "people who" not "people that." Did you by any chance go to a madrassah instead of a real school?

Another question: did you name yourself axelooo because you know "loo" is British for "toilet?" If so, kudos! So fitting!

Patriot. You act like these people have a choice in the matter. We have seen this before In Vietnam. Those people had no choice in the matter. They can't defend themselves. And they know we will not stay there to help them forever. Then what? These people have lived like this for 2000 plus years. Give me one good reason why they should think any differently now? These people are just trying to survive when we leave.

Lar, 1 of our SEALs are worth 1000 of those POS

you are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You forgot to address your letter.

Dear Jesus,

Typical liberal do gooder trying to save the world gets in trouble and now an American is dead because of this bleeding heart. All these bleeding hearts who insist on going to these fifth world countries to save the world should not expect to be rescued. The Seal's death was not worth saving this stupid physician!

"sin"cerely,

troy

You may remember Troy from such enlightening films like "Obama is a Muslim" and "How to Sell Rightwing Lies to the Simple-minded"

troy. You must be a Conservative Christian and proud of i bet.

Reading the replies, I was thinking that the same could be said of Jesus: "Typical liberal do gooder trying to save the world gets in trouble and now an American is dead because of this bleeding heart. All these bleeding hearts who insist on going to these fifth world countries to save the world should not expect to be rescued. The Seal's death was not worth saving this stupid physician!" He said in as much as you do this to the least of my brethren you do it to me. So, I'm guessing if you'd had the chance to save Jesus you would have said the same thing ... "let him die".

Sorry, you're so wrong. What can be said of Christ is that he knew the risks and he did it anyway and he died for it. He didn't say to his apostles, "Come rescue me! Sure, the Romans will crucify you, sure I willingly went to the Temple but now I don't want to suffer the consequences." What a guy!

Liberal do gooder? From Colorado Springs?! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! There are people in that city that think Limbaugh is a liberal. Focus on the Family and just about every other right-wing religious nut job organization in existence has a presence there. Liberal from Colorado Springs, that's a good one!

Ed-NavDoc - Technically, that should have read American sailor, as the SEAL's are U.S. Navy.

Technically correct (after the Fact).

However, when USNSWDG (USN SEALs), USMC MARSOC, USAF STTs, US Army Special Forces, Agencies, are all dumped into a Joint Special Operations Task Force and all wearing the same (Untity of Command) sterile (no markings nor qualifications, just name tag and blood type) combat uniforms it is quite difficult to know who is what (Branch of Service) until you have a formal ceremony with everyone wearing their Dress Uniforms (then you bust out laughing).

SEAL's are Navy sailors and Marines. See my comment above.

Don-2405154 - SEAL's are Navy sailors and Marines. See my comment above.

USMC Marines are NOT USN SEALs even after graduating from USN BUD/S, they become USMC MARSOC Marines.

http://www.marsoc.marines.mil/

Redacted JSOCTF.

Don: David is correct. Candidates come to BUDS/Special Warfare School from all branches. Successful operators serve under JSOCOM, a wholly separate command within the DOD. Special Operations Command oversee SEAL, PJ, Recon, Green Beret, Delta and any units that support the missions they are charged with. Command is referred to as "purple suits": officers/noncomms learning how to be better warfighters, regardless of their service background. Fight for the flag, the man to your side. Enemy doesn't give a romeo foxtrot about which branch you serve. Save the rivalry for off duty.

David, not all SEAL, CCT, PJ, Force Recon, Green Beret teams fall under JSOC, JSOTF, or JSCOM. NSWDG (Dev Group), Delta, MARSOC, and one Air Force STS do, but each branch retains it's own control of their respective "conventional" special operations teams that don't have access to the JSOC and JSOTF compounds at Bragg and NSWDG compound at Damneck. The guys that serve with JSOC and the other acronyms have to already been an "operator" on a conventional team and then go through a special selection process to qualify as a candidate.

YukonJack-6287181,

Yes and no. Redacted Inter Service and Inter Agency Agreements. Ever since Redacted as Commander Special Operation Command, I could see why ever since one of my predecessor's Blue Light and Desert One. With many believing he was "Empire Building" by stealing the best from everyone else.

YukonJack-6287181 - then go through a special selection process to qualify as a candidate.

The term is "assessment".

medic-2429743 - Command is referred to as "purple suits".

Not common knowledge. Officers and NCOs normally as "purple suiters" Redacted and become Joint Special Warfare by Redacted as well as training with the CIA's SAD/SOG (future career after US Military Retirement). Just something funny after all that, most have lost about 15 to 20 pounds or more of weight including muscle mass (really hard to gain that weight back at age over 35 while being operational).

they all serve out of 1st special operations command, i used to serve in it.

Guys---cut the crap. It dosen't matter who does what as long as they do it right. R.I.P. brother. BZ.

Bilnsan, very true. Always glad to run into a fellow HM. I did 20 myself and as you said, was highly proud to be a sailor and a Devil Doc! Have a good evening.

HM1/FMF USN/RET

And what do you supposed would have been worth it?

There's a reason you are sitting on your hands at the computer and not organizing our troops - you have no GD idea what's going on.

Is that so? I'm sorry...have we met? Don't assume to know me.

And yet you say Jesus. How very Christian of you. I have come to expect so very little out of you people.

And what exactly is you people dennis?

People like Nolan. All hatred, zero compassion for their fellow man.

I'm not Christian, dummy. I believe if you're stupid enough to test fate, you get what you get. My compassion is with the seal that shouldn't have died so this idiot could get out of that spot he got himself into.

That's easy. Because Bush isn't President.

That's funny, I hear journalists ask this all the time, from both sides.

The doctor was rescued.

The Navy Seal was overseas doing a job there, too. Maybe you should read your words again and see what a hypocrite you are.

the SEAL was over there serving his country. didn't pick and chose who, what, and where for bragging rights at a cocktail party...

Cunical, sounds to me more like your screen name should read cynical!