Didn't Jesus say "Do not call anyone your Father on earth, for one is your Father, the Heavenly one"

Doesn't his words mean anything?

Kai

You need to first learn Biblical Greek. Then acquire a Biblical Greek New Testament. Not one translated into Latin then Old English then Modern English. After you do all of that you will see that is not what Jesus said at all. I could tell you what he actually said but I think you need the education. Regardless, if you continue to base your opinion on what you cited here you will continue to be in error.

Gotta love the holier than thou attitudes from people like totherepublic. What a great representation of the religious you put forward!

CreditWhereDue,

That didn't strike me as "holier than thou", but, more like "more educated than thou". A message that always plays to mixed reviews, but probably is often misunderstood, since the guy was maybe just trying to encourages others to pursue better educations.

Thank you Single.

Man, I was betting on, "It's all a myth, and you know it."

totherepublic, directly from the Bible at Catholic.net Matt23:9...Call no one on earth your father; you have but one Father in heaven.

hmmmm, seems,to be exactly what he said according to the Bible that the Catholics use.

Oh,Jesus also said this at John 13:34,35

I give you a new commandment: love one another. As I have loved you, so you also should love one another. This is how all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another."

again, from your Bible on Catholic.net

How is that working out for ya'? I mean the whole "This is how all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another"?...Catholics have been killing Catholics since before WWI...in WWII you can find pictures of Catholic Bishops in America blessing the troops...while in Germany their Bishops were blessing the German troops to go and kill American Catholics.

Almost every war that goes on today has Catholics involved in bloodshed.

Google "bishops salute Hitler" and see how many of your peace loving bishops are giving the HEIL HITLER salute.

Guess now you will tell me Jesus didn't really mean the way to tell a true Christian is by the love that they show one another....Yeah, I guess i better go find a Greek textbook to show me what Jesus really meant.

totherepublic .......how is it that you know exactly what jesus said?........oh, you are a Catholic....now it makes sense.

Funny how this Head Pedophile Pimp of the Roman Catholic Church, Pope Benedict XVI and his Cardinals Timothy Dolan, Bernard Law and Michael Leveda as well as others can speak out against the evils of same sex marriage, abortion, atheism and others, how they can declare they are for peace and love and adhering to the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church. How they can hide their pedophile priests and move them around so they can go out and rape and torture even more children, and hide behind their supposed religious and leadership immunity, how they can send their pit bull, Pig Face Bill Donohue President of the Catholic League to attack us victims and our support systems like SNAP and say they are a menace to the RCC and we victims are nothing more but liars, gold diggers, seducers of their priests etc but cannot abide by their own Catechism teaching concerning rape:

“Rape is the forcible violation of the sexual intimacy of another person. It does injury to justice and charity. Rape deeply wounds the respect, freedom and physical and moral integrity to which every person has a right. It causes grave damage that can mark the victim for live. It is always an intrinsically evil act. Graver still is the rape of children committed by parents (incest) or those responsible for the education of children entrusted to them.” (no. 2356)

I had a few decent Catholic teachers growing up (as much as that can be determined) The problem with Catholicism and any supernatural religion is whether its claims are true.

And of course, they aren't.

The Catholic Church is a religio-industrial complex commanding an army of Stockholm-syndrome like followers. They wield ghastly power in less developed economies but thankfully are being given the boot in countries where women are educated.

Educated in what? Science? Catholic Church does well with that - Father Gregor Mendel (genetics), Father Georges LeMaitre (developer of the Big Bang Theory), the modern-day university system (established through the Benedictine monasteries of the middle ages), and even a Vatican Observatory (in Italy and in Arizona, USA) that scientists admire as the best.

Philosophy? Thomas Aquinas, Renee Descartes, Karl Rahner, and many, many others.

I could go on - but what has atheism taught us? Marxism - humanity is just cogs in a machine. Humanity is expendable (Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao, Hoxha, Ceausescu, and others). Feminism - women are inadequate and so must be made equal to men (though their idea of equality is impossible, taking into account the natural differences of the sexes). Oh, and such equality is never extended to pre-born females. Margaret Sanger - certain races are not as equal as whites, so they need to be "controlled" in their reproduction.

Yes, great education there, Atheist-6939529. I will gladly take Pope Benedict and Christian Humanism (Erasmus, Thomas More) any day.

God bless you.

Atheist-6939529

I find your monicker rather humerous. Several years ago I went thru Marine Corps boot camp with a young man who ridiculed "believers" and also proclaimed to be an atheist. The third day we were in Vietnam he was mortally wounded but before he died of his wounds his last cries were, Oh Dear God please help me! Funny how ones perspective changes when he or she is just not running off at the mouth but have their very life on the line! You would be no different.

And yet what has religion taught us? That God works in mysterious ways, or that it is all part of Gods divine plan and that we are not to question Gods divine plan.

Yes educated that God of gaps is a logical conclusion.

Funny how believers just accept whatever they are told by their religious leaders.

Funny how God will torture you if you do not follow the Ten Commandments as well as accept him but he loves you.

Yeah just like how a husband beats his wife to show her how much he loves her or how a parent beats ther child senselessly to show them what love is

benedict,

Science progressed, and progresses in spite of religion, not because of it. To this day Big Faith places obstacles before science before the principles of the Enlightenment. Science has never lost a battle of knowledge to religion. Ever.

Atheism is one thing: lack of a belief in the supernatural, aka gods. Atheism is not Marxism, vegetarianism, capitalism, or any other ISM. It has a very simple definition.

Perhaps your straw army has more force in less sophisticated forums, but your Lying for Jesus isn't going to hold up well here.

And to the marine, you do know that the reality is this: There are NO chaplains in foxholes! Atheists are patriotic and put our Constitution first, not an imaginary friend. The Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers guard you while you sleep.

@benedictineacc

One of the best, and most truthful posts, I have ever read. Well done.

I believe in science always have and always will, I know that the Catholic Church throws roadblocks in the way of scientific advancement in the name of God.

But I also believe that everyone has the right to believe and worship God if they choose without anyone denigrating those beliefs. Atheists who use terms like "myth" or "imaginary friend" when discussing religion are just as bad as religious folks who call Atrheists names like Marxist.

WE have degenerated into a name calling, intoerant of others, close minded society. Lack of civil discourse is what is ruining our society, it is what has given us the tea party, governmental stalemate, a lot of the violence we see, Westboro Baptist Church, etc. If we continue as we are going with our intoerance of those who we disagree with this country will look back on the last half of the 20th century as the golden age of America and wonder what happened to destroy us so quickly. We are well on our way to destroying what made us a great nation from within, we dont need to worry about an outside source.

Really? Just as bad? Really? I beg to differ. Imaginary aptly describes claims that cannot produce evidence.

Attacks against people are features of barbarism, attacks against ideas are features of civilization. Bad ideas exist to be destroyed. Make no mistake, if Big Religion had the power they once had, I would be killed. You know it, and I know it.

And for the record, Holly, you don't have to believe in science, you can accept it and fact check it. No belief required.

Atheist - science stiull requires one to believe in something - I believe that there is global warming csued by man, I believe this because I understand the science behind it but there is no real proof (there is only about 150 years of measured data out of the millions of years of earth history). SHow me real phyiscal proof that evolution actually is true - I believe in the theory of evolution but again there is no definitive proof. Please tell me where I can fact check quantum physics, evolution, etc. (and just so you know I have a BS in a hard science).

Now for an invitation want to come and help me protest the Creation Musem - these folks believe that man and Dinosaur walked the earth at the same time - and they claim to have science on their side.

benedineacac - if the Catholic Church is so enlightened why did take the chuch 400 years to absolve Galileo of heresy for his support of Coperncus?

Hollyb,

Your claims are delusional. Obviously I don't know you personally, but your claims are deluded. Take notice, I am not calling you delusional, I am saying your claims are deluded.

Evolution is a fact. It's ok not to understand it, but it is not ok to say it is a belief when you don't understand it. You are not entitled to your own opinions on this. You are only entitled to the extent that you can rationally argue an opinion. There is massive amounts of data to support evolution from physical evidence, to carbon dating, to molecular genetics.

Your "belief" angle is not not unlike the tricks alcoholics use to justify their addiction. By saying science requires belief, you are falsely equating it with faith just like an addict says, well everyone at the bar is drinking so I must also be ok.

Nope, science is not faith, not belief. If you want to talk about axioms fine, but something tells me you need to take the FREE online course being given by Duke University through coursera.o r g called How to Reason, before you try to tackle axioms.

I can care less about creationists. Their claims are nuts and I feel sorry for the kids they raise. Kids shouldn't be willfully lied to.

Ah the it is my way or noway, God love it.

@WeAllHaveOpinions

Funny, usually it's the bible thumpers that say you're going to burn in eternal hellfire if you don't accept Jesus as your lord and saviour. "My way or no way" indeed.

Psalms 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

2 Chronicles 15:12-13 And they entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and with all their soul, but that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman

...only in matters of dogma.

Willis33 ....isn't this joker dressed in lady's gown infallible?

more like pathetic, desperate, and tiresome.

Boy, I would truly love to go down on your feeble brain with some good old fashioned Christian Psyops. The Iraqis got on their knees and beg us not to kill them. I doubt you would fair that well.

Boy the Atheist are an intolerant bunch, they want it, but don't want to show it. Amazing!

@WeAllHaveOpinions, You do realize that you're discriminating against an entire group of people that you do not know based on the actions of one, right? Do you see how stupid and closed minded that is? You fool.

As is sung in THE song "ONE DAY At A TIME SWEET JESUS" when you're looking below surely you know life has become worse each day now then then...when? When you were here there was much sinning and cheating -- violence and crime...but surely Jesus you see it's become worse now than then!!! Even some as Christian Kinfolk today are believing that Jesus --- in order to be proclaiming to be GOD'S ONLY BEGOTTEN SON came to teach us just another RELIGIOUS WAY OTHER THAN THE ONE YOU WERE REARED WITH -- (JUDAISM)...But in FACT when we "ALL AS GOD'S FAITHFUL" grasp "A REALITY" that: YOU JESUS CHRIST (OUR MESSIAH -- SAVIOR or SAVIOUR)...YOUR OWN MISSION BEING TO INCREASE OUR FAITH ONLY!!! (Matthew 17: 19-23) Then and only then will we have learned that Jesus as Christ--taught us--a less stressful way of walking by our Christian FAITH in GOD through this life-time -- not to run faithlessly through it which can cause us to stumble and fall from God's helping us to graciously make it to the end of it all down here on planet EARTH...In all actuality (HE) Jesus Christ came to put a label on our kind of common FAITH IN GOD WHICH WAS AFTER CHRIST'S RESURRECTION CALLED BY NAME CHRISTIANITY!!! (Acts 11:19-26) In conclusion he came to teach us his kind of a Christian life-style that'll insure that our Godly created SOUL which is now sharing life within each human's body will return to GOD in our SOULS 7 car train ride (Revelation 1:17-19, 2 and 3 ALL)1111111+! Again---So---Have A Very Merry Christmas and A Happy New Year! But too: "LET'S HOPE IT IS A GOOD ONE WITHOUT ANY (John Lennon)--ALL (Willie) THE FEAR!!!"

totherepublic........................has your pope "blessed"' all those in your organization that have protected Catholic child molesters from law-enforcement investigation and prosecution?

totherepublic........................has your pope "blessed"' all those in your organization that have protected Catholic child molesters from law-enforcement investigation and prosecution?

Yes, he has! Just like the Teacher Labor Unions do, and the tenured staffs of universities when they do the same damned thing. The only difference is that they do it more often (per capita) and they use union dues (which are tax dollars) to do it.

Interesting...In 1976 I was with a relief group working the famine in India. A C-130 landed filled with guess what...hamburger. They not only ate it but rioted to get it. I asked one of the few villagers that spoke English, "Why is it you will not kill your own cows to eat but gorge yourselves on this meat"? He answered, "They are your ancestors, not ours". True story. Ever been really hungry Logic? A person can starve on their ideals.

"Ever been really hungry Logic? A person can starve on their ideals." Your are absolutely right sir. Life depends on other forms of Life to survive. This is the law of nature. But for those on a spiritual quest (not the pseudo religious leaders of Christianity and Islam who are hell bent on spreading their religion and call that their god is better than the other god.), the best path is to see the "Lord" in everyone including the animals and plants and survive with minimal destruction to nature and life.

this is a concept that is so alien to Christians and Muslims that is is hard for them to comprehend. These two religions survived because they converted 1000s into their fold by force, rape, murder. History is full of these episodes. These two religions are the snow culture and desert culture origin... (more or less). First aim "kill and conquer", ask questions later.

Logic of Life..................the Pope does not speak for true Christianity. His zeal is for conversion to Roman Cahtolicism, not Christianity!!!

Your life has no logic. What you are preaching is pure humanism, worship the creation rather than the Creator.

that is right, in my world and a billion people in India - creation and creator are the same, we see no difference. the Lord expresses in different forms and shapes. it is beyond your logic sir. when wisdom and intelligence matures it becomes intuition and if one puts the efforts for a higher goal, a man (or a woman) will reach a very good spiritual plane. everything becomes the lord for him or her. this a concept a regular joe or jane cannot fathom, let alone attempt to understand.

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