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Subscribe to RSSDefense Secretary Leon Panetta signed an order that sends Patriot missiles to NATO ally Turkey to defend its border with Syria. The US will also deploy about 400 Americans to operate the missiles. NBC's Ayman Mohyeldin reports.
Updated at 7:20 a.m. ET: INCIRLIK AIR BASE, Turkey — Defense Secretary Leon Panetta signed an order Friday to send two Patriot missile batteries to Turkey to protect it from rounds crossing the border from Syria.
The order includes 400 American personnel to operate the batteries.
"We are deploying two patriot batteries here to Turkey along with the troops that are necessary to man those batteries, so that we can help Turkey have the kind of missile defense it may very well need in dealing with threats that come out of Syria," Panetta told the troops at Incirlik Air Base in southern Turkey.
Turkey, a NATO member, has repeatedly scrambled jets along the countries' 560-mile joint frontier and responded in kind when shells from the 20-month-old Syrian conflict came down inside its borders, fanning fears that the civil war could spread to destabilize the region.
Abir Sultan / EPA, file
A Patriot anti-missile battery is shown during joint U.S.-Israeli military exercises near Jerusalem in October. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta announced Friday that the United States had agreed to send two Patriot batteries to NATO ally Turkey to protect from shells crossing over from fighting in neighboring Syria.
Photos: Destruction, resistance in war-torn Syria
The widely expected decision follows similar steps by Germany and the Netherlands, which are also sending Patriot batteries.
The three countries are the only NATO countries with the most modern type of Patriots and each had to approve separately its own commitment.
US: Concerns about chemical weapons
In his most explicit comment so far on intelligence suggesting Syria was considering the use of chemical weapons, Panetta told the troops that U.S. intelligence suggested "they had in fact moved to begin to arm weapons that would involve ... the use of chemical and biological material."
He said that was why President Barack Obama had publicly warned Syria not to use chemical weapons.
Panetta spokesman George Little declined to say where the U.S. Patriot batteries would be located and said the systems would be deployed to Turkey for an unspecified length of time.
The ancient, once-bustling city has been devastated by war and even health clinics are forced to operate in secrecy to avoid being bombed. NBC's Richard Engel reports.
He acknowledged that the move was a symbolic show of force.
"The purpose of this deployment is to signal very strongly that the United States, working closely with our NATO allies, is going to support the defense of Turkey, especially with potential threats emanating from Syria," Little told reporters.
Assad regime losing control of Syria to rebels, his ally Russia says
"We expect them to be deployed in the coming weeks," he added.
Muhammed Muheisen / AP
A look back at the violence that has overtaken the country
NATO approved Turkey's request for air defense batteries on Dec. 4, in a move meant to calm Ankara's fears of an attack, possibly with chemical weapons, from Syria.
The Patriot system is designed to intercept aircraft or missiles. NATO says the measure is purely defensive, but Russia, Syria and Iran have criticized the decision, saying it increases regional instability.
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U.S. troops at the base the Turkish border with Syria asked Panetta whether he believed Assad's government would respond negatively to the new Patriot systems.
"We have to act to do what we have to do to make sure that we defend ourselves and that Turkey can defend itself against that," Panetta said.
Reuters contributed to this report.
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How long till mission creep sets in?
My unit is already prepping...it's begun.
Are we getting paid for this or can we deduct it from the billions in aid we give Turkey? Seriously, We don't have the money to waste on another "police action".
I knew that Syria thing would come in handy for Obama! Just when there's work here to be done in the U.S. ( Dems. revolting against Obamacare medical device taxes , ficial cliff, class warfare) At least Bush had the B**** to go directly in to Iraq & Afghanistan, not give another Muslim Country weapons.
no Vin1112, bigots like you are the real enemy- wihin.
Bush ddn't have any B**** to do nothing. He sat confortably while 4,000 American soldiers died in Iraq. A place we should never have gone into in the first place. There is nothing Bush did in his entire Presidency that you could say in a positive light.
Everyone! This is Turkey a NATO member. This is a defensive weapon, period. We are there to man it. It's for incoming missiles and airplanes. We have a treaty with member nations. Here is the list. http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/nato_countries.htm. It would be like setting up these in Germany if needed. This is NOT a police action, lol nor at this time we are fighting Syria. Some of you are so reckless with your thoughts and ideas. I don't like spending the money either but it's either we get out of NATO, the UN (Never has been united) or fulfill our obligations. Ease up on Turkey.
Hey guys, Alan is correct.
We're only there to protect our allies for "defense only!" We are not going on the offense and will not cross the border.
Syria will just lob missiles over the fence indiscriminately killing "whatever" is in it's path and not so strategic as to aim it at soldiers and compounds even though they'll claim to.
I just don't know what to say or how to feel about mankind as it is today. It's a shame that with all the technology and experience we have in this millennium that we have to still go back to being barbarians.
Oh come off it, folks.
Did anyone here REALLY THINK we didn't have our hands in this morass ALL ALONG???????
Yet another pathetic, asinine Middle Eastern quagmire we're being drawn into - which of course will accomplish nothing. That will make FOUR in a decade, folks.
Aiding terrorists - isn't that an impeachable offense?
I've said this along - the dopes in Washington know they can't sell any more of their bullsh1t to get us into any more wars, so they are now using illegal, immoral and unconstitutional tactics. This is the game they'e playing now.
Uh huh. ALLIES, huh????? And suppose when they release sarin or mustard gas killing all of our troops there, will there still be a "no crossing the line" policy then? Horsesh1t and you know it.
Brenda, just can't get over Bush ! You need to move FORWARD!!!!! Tell me why obama waited 18 months before this? Assad has only killed 40,000 Syria people in that time? There are Only 2 reason Obama is acting now, to draw attention from new taxes coming with obamacare here and his Muslim buddies in the Countries around Syria scared to death of the chemical weapons.
Where there's is a Social Security trust fund, there is money - well, just not for SS recipients. Congress took $70 billion out of SS in 2011 to fund projects other than SS, I'm sure they took more than that out in 2012. Social Security is having financial problems, do you think it could be because of the more than $4 trillion that Congress has raped from it over the years? I'm sure that there's enough in Social Security to fund another war, especially with Congress wanting to cut benefits to recipients - less money to the "entitlement class" means more money for the wealthy and projects that benefit the wealthy. War has never benefited the poor or middle class, but just think of all those juicy contracts waiting to be filled! The wealthy must be salivating just thinking of all the money they'll make and the only price will be the deaths of our children!
..."a symbolic show of force" Didn't we send advisers to Vietnam to accomplish that?
Fact. Many NATO nations have the Patriot Missile System. Many nations have in the past sent these to Turkey and when the threat is over they pack them up and take them back. This is for protection. Some of you don't read or even know History before you come to rash statements WAR! Giving arms to Muslims! Police action! Israel has these to shoot down the thousands of missiles thrown at them by Hamas. Again Turkey is a member NATO nation, they have requested these in possible times of need. Read this. http://www.daijiworld.com/news/news_disp.asp?n_id=157708.
Ha ha. Both the Bush and Obama bash's totally bigoted beyond belief. Turkey has been a NATO member way before Obama become President. For decades. Bush didn't make up NATO and it has been there for instances like this. So the blame lies on neither. Some of you are still living Nixon and others when the future is NOW. This action was taken by other NATO members also. I do not like the way our Government is spending our money either but in this case you have treaties to abide by. Some will bitch no matter what. Try looking at the facts for a change.
I dont recall missiles or troops going to Israel, a member of NATO, to deter Hamas....a muslim terrorist organization!
Wow. And you really believe the krap you're posting. Pretty frightening.
President Obama is doing the right thing. Keep Syria's conflict from crossing the border. CONTAINMENT.
Some one needs to read. http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2012/12/03/psst-want-to-own-a-piece-of-israels-iron-dome.aspx
Also Germany and Netherlands are sending these to Turkey. Read this. http://www.daijiworld.com/news/news_disp.asp?n_id=157708.
HOTTICKET,
If you're so bright, what's your solution outside of just sayin' "keep our troops outta there". We are not the only Country backing up Turkey.
If you knew anything about protecting our interests, you'd understand but it seems politics are not your gig.
Ahhhhhhh, Oh no! Not the "protecting our interests" B.S. line again! OH NO! Oh dear! Where oh where have we seen THIS movie before??????! Now, let's ALL put our heads together for THAT one, folks!
*eyes roll*
Actually, a lot of times they are not packed up and take out. It is often the case that the military hardware would instead be turned over to the friendly hosting country. There are several reasons for this. One is because it is sometimes cheaper to the military budget to either destroy the equipment or sell it to the hosting country instead of packing it up and bring it home.
Secondly, the original supply of the military equipment at home that was sent to a foreign location has long since been replaced by the military budget. This makes it the case that even if the military brought the equipment back, it would be most likely be moth-balled and additional storage or disposal needs would need to be made.
Third, the giving of the equipment to the friendly host country can be used by the Administration, the military, and/or the State Department as a fig leaf public relations item. They can say that the US is continuing to give its support to the country even after pulling the troops out.
This policy has been done many times over the last serveral decades, including I believe some of the equipment left in Europe at the end of World War II.
Yes "Facts" are really frightening. Maybe you just can't handle the truth. I didn't vote for Obama but I am certainly not going to throw him under the bus on this. Ever hear of Congress and the Senate. The President is just one man. You want to chide others that are presenting factual information with your rhetoric BS. Again these are being sent to Turkey (they were in the past, read) for protection. NATO nations HAVE approved this with out your consent (oh my), imagine that. I think that Hot Ticket just burned you. Talk about being in the "Twilight Zone".
FED
Israel is not a member of NATO
Alan, just like yesterday on the N.Korean seed you tried to give the impression that you are the only one that knows what is going on and educated. Well you are not. Your recourse is to insult and attack people. You know no more about what is going on then the average person. You are into yourself self importance to much.
Lee the same pretty much applies to your comments yesterday also.
Fact regardless of our treaty commitments yes we must respond, Yet the bottom line still is that this opens the door to draw us into a conflict with Syria. Let them gas our troops and see just how long we stay on the other side of that border. The problem is if we go in people will call for Obama's head and if we don't go in they will ask for his head anyway. We are playing with fire and we will get burnt. And yes NATO has been around longer then Obama and Bush. The North Atlantic Treaty which was signed on 4 April 1949. That takes us back to Truman.
Never said they were a member. We sent them Patriots during the Gulf War if you remember (1991) they were used to shoot down scuds at that time. That is what i was referring to. As for Turkey they are a member. They were sent these twice in the past 20 years for similar reasons.
I agree. I do not want to see the US get involved inside of Syria thing. I think the proposes, and the secret black ops operations rumor of occurring, with providing the rebels with arms is a huge mistake. But Turkey is an ally. They do have a problem of "accidental" mortars and missiles hitting them. This is a showing of support and honoring the NATO treaty that the US has many times in the past called on other countries to honor.
That being said, Turkey should also be told in direct terms that they need to stop allowing the rebels a safe haven to attack Syria from. They need to stop flying military planes, armed or un-armed, over the Syrian boarder. They need to stop supplying weapons to the rebels. All of these acts are what most countries would consider acts of war. It does not matter if the Assad government is brutal or not, it is still the official government of Syria. If Turkey, and by extension the US, want to assist the rebels in over-throwing the official Syria government, they should do it honorably and pass a "Declaration of War". They should not be doing what Pakistan is doing to the US in Afghanistan.
BTW, I am not stating that I want the US to declare war, only that if it wants to be honorable about its actions (morally have the high ground) than it should declare its intentions and not be the pawn of Qatar and Saudi Arabia.
Here you go again!
There was rebellion of Shiites against the despotic and highly corrupt Sunni ruler of Bahrain.
Brave Sunni rulers of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwaiti, UAE and other Arab League nations sent their forces and just quelled the Shiites rebellion in no time.
All of a sudden, these seventh century fountainheads of Sunni Islamic haters and killers, remembered “human rights violations” in Syria.
So the Sunni rulers of Arab League sent “human rights” group to Syria.
The head of the Saudi and their Arab League observers to Syria was a Sudanese Gen. The brave Gen was responsible for the genocides of at least 300000 Christians in Darfur!
Still House of Saud ruler and his 5000 princes and princesses and other Sunni rulers seventh century desert dances did not work.
Later they outsourced their dirty work to Turkey.
You see: Turkey is a strategic NATO ally and too much of Turkey’s seventh century Islamist Erdogan’s dances mean US, Britain and other NATO forces members have to pitch in.
What a way to outsource their dirty jobs to NATO forces just like Iraqi wars to save Qatar, Saudi and other “oil rich” rulers!!!
Sanctions on Iranian oil, which made oil prices jump from $40 dollars in 2009 to more than $110 currently, speaks of the power of the Saudi Arabia, Qatar, oil companies and their lobbyists!
For us: it is unemployment, cut in medical benefits, budget battles and then lastly deals!
But there are lots of monies for wars and pumping our tax monies as economic aid to Egypt, Pakistan and others!
Sorry: Too rich Saudis and their Sunni ruling pals are busy funding their Salaffi and Wahhabi mosques, hate preaching and killer training centers all over the world!
How much longer will you sheeple sleep? Will you not care when we start another false flag incident of WMD? When will we cry out for justice for the rest of the world, because you're too stupid or lazy to understand that a group of Americans have decided to attempt to take over the Gulf regions Oil producing nations? I see most of you bitch about "Mexicans" invading OUR country, when will you learn that we are the "Mexicans" invading the Middle East? They do not want us on their lands, when will you finally let that sink in?
Are there any differences between Bushes and co and Obama, Hillary and co?
Nope, some of us remember the beginning of both parties. What were they called? Oh yea, Democratic-Republicans. Only differences I can tell between the two, is abortion issues and organized labor to rip off from.
Well for some odd reason, it deleted the part about how both parties use the same players, members of CFR (Council of Foreign Relations), both use members of the Bilderburg Group, and other secret societies. As a "Left" leaner, I would love to tell you there is a difference between Bush and Obama, but I can't. Both steal freedoms from Americans, both use false flag operations to lie and keep us in wars. Both allow for the military to be used as a police force for Private Corporations to steal foreign countries Mineral Rights, and both use false flag operations to make the stupid feel scared and insecure, so they will gladly give away freedom in the name of protection. Wish some of those founding fathers were here to protect us, because WE ARE TOTALLY FU@KED!
HOTTICKET,
You're all talk and no bite. Sitting back in your house hoping everything comes out OK while all along, clueless as to how the world turns.
Then, posting BS. Don't worry, it's the people like myself and other concerned citizens that understand and help out that will pave your way. After all, that's what you're hoping for.
Again, you're clueless man. Totally clueless.
Is this all you can say? Clueless. If you knew how things really worked, you'd understand but instead, you're uneducated on politics so all you can come back with is the above. Politics is something that'll never go away and have to deal with whether we like it or not. You know?!....I am wasting my time trying to educate someone who doesn't care anyway.
Being an American myself, don't worry, I'll pave the way for you as I have done with many others.
Umar ibn Abd al-Aziz Heart Still Beating
First thoughts after waking, can set the tone for the entire day. Today I recalled my thought, while standing alone in the dark, staring into the Mihrab in the Great Mosque in Córdoba. Life is a struggle.
In our struggle, we should take time to contemplate the next move.
Be patient...
Jabra'il
GASP!
You mean the Secretary of Defense has ordered that people who voluntarily enlisted to an extremely dangerous, combat-related, job be sent...into "harms way"? This is a great injustice!
No American soldier should ever be asked to do anything dangerous. We should just give them a free pair of boots and the GI Bill and call them "Heroes" for that. The military is a social service after all. It's completely ridiculous and inhumane to ask people trained in combat to actually do anything dangerous. This administration has betrayed the military by asking them to do the job we're paying them to do. Personally, I'm ready to see the entire administration charged with war crimes.
What a disaster this is. How could we ever put our troops in harms way?!?!?!?!?!?!
What, no mention of Obama sending 3,000 US troops into Iraq from Kuwait with another 17,000 slated to follow? And once the action against Assad takes place are they going to focus their attention on Iran? I guess all those savings Obama promised us from pulling troops out of Iraq and shutting down in Afghanistan are not going to materialize. I'm sure he knew that at the time he said it, but hey, anything to dupe the voters into keeping him in power.
Why not Saudis and oil rich Sunni rulers, oil companies and their lobbyists pay the bill this time for doing their dirty jobs of Syrian adventure and sanctions on Iranian oil?
Let us collect pending amounts for saving them with Iraqi wars. We may forego interests on the Iraqi wars expenses.
Ask Obama he is the one dishing out the freebies at home and abroad. Your tax dollars in their pockets.
Where do you think some of the US Military that were kicked out of the Islamic Shia Nation of Iraq (Al Quada Iraq) that went to US Ally Kuwait and US Ally Saudi Arabia ended up at.
And what do you think the US Army Special Forces is doing sitting on the Syrian Border.
Hurry up so, bring your USAF AC-130s and Refuelers so that we can kill the wrong people (Military Forces of the Established Government of Syria) while supporting the President Obama's right people (listed as Terrorist Organizations by the US Department of State) the Fundamentalist Islamic Al Quada Iraq Franchise, Kurdistanis (PKK, HPG, KGK), Hamas Foreign Fighters, Chechen Foreign Fighters, etc..
Sure we have seen that same statement from all your buddies like KNOWN Obama Supporter Feisty Redhead from Ill and all of these mindless (based on their yes, yes, no facts posts) drones http://feisty-redhead-roselle--il.newsvine.com/?more=Friends
And the very typical Demoncrap Blame Game of redirection of blame for failures while, taking all the Credit for Success as President as Commander In Chief.
Yep, Alan-962575, perfect example of BUYER'S REMORSE. How about this YOU suit up YOUR Chickenhawk Arse in a US Military Combat Uniform to defend US NATO Ally Turkey that basically caused this mess by attacking the Fundamentalist Islamic Autonomous Kurdistanis Region of Northern Iraq, Southern Turkey, Syria, and Northwestern Iran, and do NOT give me another LAME Obama Excuse that you did not know; or that at the Fundamentalist Islamic Autonomous Kurdistanis Region the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran's Special Forces, Quds, was training, funding, arming the Holy Warriors of Islam to Fight the US and US Allies, and especially Overthrow the Established Governments of those opposed to Fundamentalist Islam; examples of those trained being the Fundamentalist Islamic Muslim Brotherhood (supported by President Obama), Fundamentalist Islamic Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (aka "Libyan Rebels" supported by President Obama), Fundamentalist Islamic Hamas Foreign Fighters ("Palestinians" supported by President Obama with $900 Million +SOS Clinton $400 Million)*, Fundamentalist Islamic Army of Islam Gaza (supported by President Obama "US Aid")*, Fundamentalist Islamic Al Quada International Franchises (AQ, AQI, AQAP, AQIM, AQY, AQS, etc. also supported by President Obama as previous "Libyan Rebels", "Libyan People" and "Yemeni People", Ansar Al Sharia(h), etc.), etc..
*President Obama's condemnation of US Ally President Mubarak and US Ally Israel from actions preventing the Holy Warriors of Islam returning from being trained, armed, funded by Iran's Special Forces at the Autonomous Kurdistanis Region to their Nations to Overthrow their Established Governments as the Blockades of US Ally Egypt and US Ally Israel of the so called "Peace Flotillas" (that's correct Alan-962575, Obama knew this sh!t was happening that long ago, and ignored everyone's warnings including his own Executive Intelligence Agency, the CIA).
Hint: Alan-962575 to expose your LIE, all anyone has to do is click on your screen name of, Alan-962575 and read your previous Newsvine Posts.
Who's Policy is that (identical Modus Operandi), think of former US Ally Egypt and former Ally Libya. With the Holy Warriors of Islam after the Fall of US Ally Egypt then attacking US Ally Libya from Egypt with President Obama calling both US Allies "Dictators Killing or Oppressing Their Own People".
Ask yourself after the Kurdistanis PKK, HPG, KGK are done with Syria, what have they stated their previous intentions are for US Ally Turkey, as for only (sarcasm) decades the Fundamentalist Islamic Kurdistanis have been fighting everyone (Turkey, Syria, Iraq) to create their own Nation of Kurdistan as the armed allies of the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran like during the Iran Iraq Wars (as to why the then US Ally Iraq used Chemical Weapons on the Kurdistanis Armed men, women, children to end the very long Iran Iraq Wars 1980 (1979) to 1990 (1991) and the use of Chemical Weapons by US Ally Iraq as the excuse for President Clinton to Overthrow President Hussein with US Law H.R.4655 "Iraqis Liberation Act of 1998" as US Policy with 1998 US Military Operation Desert Fox, later accomplished by President Bush as amended President Clinton's US Law H.R.4655 as 2002 Operation Hotel California and 2003 Operation Iraqis Freedom (UN and NATO Mission).).
President Clinton's H.R.4655: http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1057063/posts
As amended to authorized the use of US Military Force to Overthrow President Hussein (as US Policy, Section 3 of H.R.4655) with President Clinton as Commander In Chief Ordered 1998 US Military Operation Desert Fox and previously US Military 1997 Operation Desert Thunder (I and II) and Operation Desert Viper.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/desert_fox.htm
Travis from Soviet Occupied New England,
We did NOT volunteer to support the Fundamentalist Islamic Holy Warriors of Islam of Al Quada Iraq nor the Kurdistanis PKK, HPG, KGK as your so called "Syria People, Syrian Freedom Fighters, Syrian Rebels" as the same one's that were previously killing US Military at Iraq (the War created by President Clinton's US Law H.R,4655 Justification Section 2 Weapons of Mass Destruction, Section 3 US Policy Overthrow President Hussein.
Typical Obamazombie, defend Obama Wrong or Right to your Death.
Suit up Chickenhawk, Travis from Soviet Occupied New England, get paid below minimum wages with payroll deductions for TriCare (Medical)(where is your mock outrage about CEOs making all that money while the workers get sh!t on, and phoney support of Unions while denying Unionizing the US Military (don't even say Illegal, as it was previously Illegal for women and african americans to demonstrate for Civil Rights), and earn your Obamaphone.
By the way you must or be prosecuted obey President Obama as Commander In Chief Ordered Rules of Engagement, must be shot (dead) first before you can shoot back (if you are not dead).
In Syria and Iran it is Sunnis and Shiites Allah's battles.
House of Saud with 5000 princes and princesses can be a good fighting force.
Salaffi and Wahhabi Allah will be furious with House of Saud if they don't help their pals al Qaida, Salaffi, MB in Syria.
They all wear right dresses for their desert battles.
Princesses can do suicide bombings in Syria.
Princes can battle with Made in Syria, Sham II.
If they don't get into battles, just wait and see: their Salaffi and Wahhabi Allah will wipe out the House of Saud soon!
Infidels of NATO forces can't help them against their Allah's fury!
ENOUGH WITH YOUR SPAM Jonathan-1982062
This is ALL about Fundamentalist Islam, and Fundamentalist Islam is NOT based on Shia nor Sunnis Labels NOR Nations of Origin; but, is based on Actions.
example: Fundamentalist Islamic Saudi Arabian Osama Bin Laden established his Fundamentalist Islamic Al Quada at Sunnis Saudi Arabia to Overthrow US Ally Saudi Arabian Government. And in accordance with the Fundamentalist Islamic Interpretation of the Holy Koran as Islamic LAW, the 109 Suras of the 114 Suras of the Holy Koran's Calls to All Islamic Believers to War Against the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers OR the Death Penalty; with All Collaborators to the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers the Death Penalty and "Dwell in that Firey Place".
This is a great opportunity for Putin to send his S-300/400 systems to protect the Russian Navy base in Tartus, just to heat things up, maybe some Iskander missiles too. It would be fun to watch.
Missiles and troops to Turkey? Sure! Why not? We send them everywhere else... But here's what I don't get:
"NATO approved Turkey's request for air defense batteries on Dec. 4, in a move meant to calm Ankara's fears of an attack, possibly with chemical weapons, from Syria.
The Patriot system is designed to intercept aircraft or missiles. NATO says the measure is purely defensive, but Russia, Syria and Iran have criticized the decision, saying it increases regional instability."
Right! What could Iran and Syria possibly know more about than "regional instability?" Especially, Syria who is going through a revolution. Sounds stable to me! We should definitely clear it with Syria of all countries first, as they know how to support regional stability better than anyone else by supporting and sponsoring terrorism, slaughtering their own people, and inciting revolution. Oh and if a few rockets or worse come over the boarder from Syria to Turkey, well that's just to help "stabilize" the region.
Here's what I really don't get:
Why doesn't anyone call these clowns out? Especially considering it's rockets and such from Syria that are threatening Turkey in the first place! Syria is a mess and the aggressor and has no right to object to this. Turkey is only trying to protect itself from their mess in the first place! Iran is almost as bad as Syria is. And Russia should be called out for taking an indefensible position along with these scum! Yet time and time again, we let them say ridicules things like this with no follow up. No, "Excuse me? What crap did I just hear coming out of that hole you call a mouth?" (In much nice diplomatic terms, of course.) It's like we are so used to it we wouldn't expect anything less and don't bother with trying to set them straight. Just one statement calling them out would be nice.
I expect the left will be touting Obama's new war as a "jobs bill","humanitarian effort" or just routine deployment of "military advisors"
so which side are the "bad" guys TODAY? Will that change in the middle of the night? How many weapons are you supplying that will be used to oust non-Islamic in the name of MBH? How soon will you switch sides, a week, two days, oh its up in the air...ok ill come back later for the true story.
NH_Shellback,
Well all this explosive garbage has been coming from Syria's mess over to Turkey, so they appealed for help. They are going to be supplied with the same kind of missile shield that was used in the latest Israel border dispute. Generally, we are the ones who have to help when other countries ask for it. I'm not a Democrat, but when Syria's mess starts spilling into other countries, it is probably a good idea to make sure that mess stays contained within Syria's boarders. It's unfortunate that it costs more troops (albeit relatively small levels), but it doesn't appear like we would be able to stay out of this one anyway.
@david-475776 1.37
Your source/s please.
Bullsh!t
What about our own defense? What about our failing grades in everything. ALL of our infrastructures have recieved a failing grade...drinking water, sewer, bridges, rail, road and so on. Next time a loved one of yours or a close friend dies due to a collapse or poisoning you call then just think well atleast our allies got their help. Much of the problems in Syria are due to Turkey anyway. These so called freedom fighters are the same insurgents that have been attacking US troops in Iraq, Afghan, Libya and around the ME. This is also just so Raytheon can get rid of the aging Patriot Missles which are being replaced with the newer systems along with the US taking care of their buddies the Suadis.
If I was going to be suiting up to fight some one over there it would be taking pot shots at the damn rebels, we know them as Radical Islamic Extremists
Though I don't know the exact figures....it seems that "Mr. Peace Prize" Obama has engaged in more military operations in different countries than any other Prez.....with complacent nods from the Libs? Interesting.
You people that say Obama is doing the right thing and Bush did the wrong thing in Iraq are just too funny, and STUPID! Everyone in the world believed Iraq had WMD and Nukes and Bush did what the entire world wanted at the time and the congress voted for it and approved it before he did anything, AND EVERYONE SAID Iraq moved their Chemical Weapons and WMD’s to Syria before we attacked, they recorded the trucks crossing the border, Isn’t it strange now how Syria has these WMDs suddenly... THE SAME ONES from Iraq!!! And Bush did exactly what obama did he moved to protect our interest and obama is doing the same thing. I don’t like obama at all never have but he should have the b*lls to go into Syria and protect those innocent people being killed like bush did in Iraq but Obama is a coward, instead he is going to protect Turkey who has recently turned against us and Israel and is working with Russia more and more everyday. So Obama decided to let the killing continue and we will just sit on the sidelines and protect one area of turkey while 40,000 people have been killed. BUT When Russia allowed him to he attacked Libya because they had no army to fight back and he thought it would make him look tough on foreign affairs and some idiots fell for it then he escalated the war in Afghanistan for a short time although he said he would end it his first year. He is no different than bush except he is a coward too confront anyone that can fight back. He is the bully on the block the middle east hates, because he attacks the weak and those without defense and runs from anyone that can actually threaten to attack in response. He would rather watch 40,000 innocent people die. But he will sit on the border and make sure no missiles go past those two sections.
But please do not say Bush started all these wars and he was so bad when your liberal President is doing more than bush ever did spent more than bush ever spent and is doing it all for political reasons to draw attention away from our collapse and our financial debate that they are all scared to handle properly. Just remember Bush had very few troops in Afghanistan, that is obamas war he ran on it the first time saying that is where we should fight and he did, Libya is Obama’s war, the murder of our Ambassador is obamas terrorist attack, Syria and those 40,000 innocent deaths are obamas slaughter with no response and now this is his new war on the brink.
Because don’t kid yourself before Assad leaves office he will launch chemical weapons and it will kill our troops and we will retaliate and Russia and Iran will be involved and this very well could be the beginning of a major conflict like we have not seen since 1940’s unless Assad steps down peacefully and you ask yourself if a man that has killed 40000 of his own people is suddenly going to decide to step down without a fight? You better hold on because this is the beginning of a major conflict. These same words were used in Viet Nam I remember and it changed very quickly. This will be Much Much bigger. Possibly a World war type if it falls just right.
There are billion plus Sunni Muslims. They form more than 80 percent of Muslim population.
Can't these brave Sunnis fight non-Sunni Assad in Sunni majority Syria?
It would be a disgrace, if they take infidel NATO forces help to battle Assad!
First, you are mixing apples to oranges. Bush killed 4000 of our own American troops for nothing and 12,000 Iraq people, Assad is only killing his people, we didn't send any troops into Syria to fight a war over weapons of mass destruction that don't exsist. Try reading a news paper or an online news site.
New president.....................................same as the old president.
3rd party 2016.
david: You appear to be a real joker.
You don't know much about anything; assume some thing and write some nonsense!
That is the problem with half-educated people. They are worse than uneducated idiots!
You're pretty funny youself, trueredwhiteandblue. As to your intelligence, I'll just say I don't expect to you listed as a member of MENSA, not unless their standards have dropped through the floor.
First off, everyone in the world DID NOT believe Iraq had WMD and Nukes. The U.N. inspectors crawling all over Iraq in 2002, were not finding anything by way of an active or dormant illicit weapons program, or of stores of such weapons.
That is why NATO was unwilling to follow our lead in the invasion.
Second of all, who is this "EVERYONE" who "SAID Iraq moved their Chemical Weapons and WMD’s to Syria before we attacked"?
Trucks crossing border, something which happens between Canada and the U.S every day, are hardly proof of anything, and why would Saddam entrust his precious, hard won illicit weapons to Syria, a nation which had participated in the 1991 war against Iraq?
Logic be damned, huh?
Says who? How is it you know that the reported chemical weapons possessed by the Syrian military came from Iraq. Chemical weapons do not have an indefinite shelf life, and as no active manufacturing facilities were found for either mustard or sarin gas, any stores possessed by Saddam in 2003, would 5, 10 or even 15 years old. Now 10 years later, these stores, if they ever existed would be quite old.
But again, logic be damned.
Has Obama expended in excess of one trillion dollars and thousands of U.S. lives in an unnecessary and reckless invasion of a nation, such as Iraq?
Yup, keep up the yuk, yuks, truereadwhiteandblue, and keep talking about the stupidity of others.
I've seen better heads on a glass of beer.
dman-353357
It's a genuine dissappointment for you to be so so completely wrong on Iraq - ha ha, they NEVER got ever close to "nukes". The UN, Europe and the free world was behind this action. Bush, along with the house and senate majority approval, spent over 8 months staging the invasion with not one objection from the free world. WMDs DO include sarin gas...look it up, it kills faster than anything else.
THESE PEOPLE THOUGHT THEY HAD WMDs.....gonna argue with them? Slowly the truth will be revealed.
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- -Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
Well, justoneguy, I'm still trying fathom your logic for blaming Obama for the fall of Mubarak in Egypt, so I'm not at all surprised that you're indulging in more flights of fancy and flawed thinking with regard to Iraq.
I'm not quite sure if your are indulging in ironic humor with your statement, "ha ha, they NEVER get ever close to nukes.", but I certainly never claimed they did, at least not since the preemptive strike by Israel, more than 20 years before our invasion.
You cite many notable people who claimed Iraq had an active illicit weapons program: Clinton and Madelaine Albright, in 1998, Sandy Berger in the same year, Clinton and Albright again in 1999. What seems to escape your comprehension, is these assessments occurred back in 1998 and 1999, four or five years before our blundering invasion into Iraq.
To initiate a war based upon 4 and 5 year-old intelligence reports is beyond ludicrous. It is moronic, especially when current investigations, conducted by U.N. Weapons Inspectors in 2002 and 2003, were not finding anything, as in nothing, as in ZILCH.
Nice disconnect from reality. Both France and Germany pointedly refused to participate in the war.
...and
...and
Last I checked both France & Germany is counted as parts of the Free World.
So tell me again how nobody in the free world objected to the invasion?
No question, and if either the U.N. inspectors working in 2002 and 2003, or the U.S. Military during the years from 2003 through to the present had found stores of sarin gas, you might have a point.
But they did not, so you do not [have a point].
In honesty, not only do I not believe or follow your "logic", I cannot believe that you do. Nobody could have a thought process so driven by ideology as to ignore so many obvious facts and come up with your ridiculous opening statement, "It's a genuine dissappointment for you to be so so completely wrong on Iraq - ha ha".
Now, tell me again how it is Obama's fault that an octegenarian dictator was ousted in Egypt. I, too, need a good laugh.
brenda1964....good post...Bush and his tri-fecta of evil...Cheney and Rumsfeld) put this country in a hole we will never get out of....
dman-353357
Hey ...what a coincidence...they were getting almost 80% of their oil from Iraq!! So funny when "oil" is the motive for US action...but not considered in other Nations.
THINK
justoneguy - if you ever respond to the point made or the question asked, I'll be shocked, and impressed.
The prospect appears remote.
You say that nobody in the free world objected to the Iraq invasion. I point out France and Germany, both members of NATO. You rationalize their motives.
You have some evidence that they were importing 80% of their oil from Iraq in 2003?
Still awaiting your evidence that weapons inspectors found sarin gas, mustard gas, or even intestinal gas in the months leading up to the invasion.
I wonder if you are really the person to admonish me to...
THINK.
Of course inspectors didn't find anything prior to the invasion; Saddam had gotten rid of almost all of his CW stuff. I think post-invasion we were only able to find something like just 400-ish chemical artillery shells and that was it.
Which begs the question: why did we invade?
And so it begins...
WHAT??? I thought we were staying out of this!!! I thought we were on the edge of a fiscal cliff?? I thought........ what a holiday buzz kill.
Damned if we do, damned if we don't!
My thoughts exactly...
The way to stop this is to start a draft of politicians and executives of companies. Put them in the front lines, and let these guys be the cannon foder of the next war they start!
Turkey is a Nato ally. We have an obligation to respond to any request for help.
I'm good with this, I'd go if they would take older vets.
I wish you could go too. And take Vin1112 with you.
What a waste.
Turkey is a Nato ally. We have an obligation to respond to any request for help.
We don't actually have an obligation to respond to "any request for help."
We have an obligation to respond to an attack on a member state. Turkey has not invoked the applicable section of the NATO treaty which would indicate that they are under attack (because they acknowledge that thus far, the spillover violence along the border has essentially been accidental rather than an attack by Syria on Turkey.
That being said, the fact that we are not obligated does not necessarily mean that it's a bad idea to send Patriot batteries to Turkey; it might de-escalate the situation a bit.
obama is there saving his own kind, no money, no budget, but he can send over millions of dollars worth of military equipment, this will be the excuse he needs to tax everyone. even the poor, i can hear the liar now, we needed to do this for peace, eat me idiot, you haven't done your job in benghazi, to save our men , but you can go save your own. yep pretty one sided prez you ask me. obamacare and the cliff will finish this country off until he mans up and tells America he can't do the job.
Obama admin started with promises of withdrawing from Iraq and Afghanistan.
But it got us into Libya, sanctions on Iranian oil business to jack up oil prices, and now getting ready for Syria.
Did not the Germans and Netherland have enough practice on running from wars and hiding in Iraq and Aghanistan to get into Turkey?
IN WRITING Previous US Allies: US Ally President Mubarak, US Ally President Gaddaffi (before Obama), US Ally Pakistan, US Ally Afghanistan (even before Operation Cyclone), US Ally President Hussein, etc..
You cannot justify or defend stup!d; Ok, you can Larry-367607 if you want to look stup!d.
I know some people that can arrange that. What is your MOS, are you below age 69, are you deployable (physical requirements) and indefinitely retainable (even if you don't want to be).
This does NOT de-escalate anything. As before this makes the situation one sided, as the Al Quada Iraq and Kurdistanis PKK, HPG, KGK can attack the Syrian Military then flee into Turkey and Syria can do nothing against the Al Quada Iraq and Kurdistanis PKK, HPG, KGK bases at Iraq nor Turkey.
A living Hell: tiny little round watery planet third from the sun
@ david-475776
And who would that be?
BTW, Did you ever fix your helicopter?
If Syria has the product to create Chemical weapons and we know where they are wouldn't it be cheaper to destroy their product? A few well placed missles would do it.
yes roy it would but obama will only attack countries that dont have a military (Libya, afdan etc) to respond or allies to defend it... he is a coward and he is scared of russia they told him he better stay out of syria so he is standing by watching the 40,000 innocent people die and watching the WMDs from raq now in syria get prepared to be dropped on their own people, but we are going to go protect Turkey lol of course Turkey only has the 5th largest miltary in the entire world and syria has the 35th but Turkey needs us more than those innocent 40000 people that assad killed needed us. of course its because russia told obama leave it alone or else and so he backed down from doing what is right
Haven't you guys heard the latest reaction from Russia?
They already accepted that Assad is going to loose and plan on evacuating their bases in Syria.
As someone who actually lived in Russia, I assure you that there is no way Russians would go to war against the country that brought them cheeseburgers and Arnold Schwarzenegger to protect a country that shares religion with Chechens and Afgans, who killed hundreds of Russians.
You can tell Obama that he doesn't need to be afraid of Russia.
President Barak Nobel Peace Prize Obama, and the other American politicians should immediately borrow money from China & then meddle in the internal affairs of Syria. This would prevent them from focusing on the problems of America.
is'nt Obama in the top 2% or is he tax exempt...what kind of taxes did he pay on that nobel peace prize money.
(Reuters) - President Barack Obama on Thursday named 10 charities
to share his $1.4 million Nobel Peace Prize, with causes ranging from wounded
veterans to Haiti's earthquake survivors and education for
minorities.
"These organizations do extraordinary work in the United States and abroad
helping students and veterans and countless others in need," Obama said in a
statement.
seeing is believing,let's see the tax returns as proof.
It will not show up on his tax return because The Internal Revenue Code provides that if the recipient of the
Nobel Prize directs the Nobel Committee to donate the prize income directly to charity, as the President did, the recipient does not have to recognize the prize as income on his federal income tax return. The President is not permitted to take a charitable deduction on the value of the prize since it is not included in his income.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/president-obama-2010-nobel-charity.pdf
Also Obama, Hillarys, Romneys, McCains, and all the big talkers on human rights, women rights, democracy, encouraging moderate Islamic elements and so on should stop double talking, double dealing and doing House of Saud and Qatari seventh century desert dances and dramas just like before Iraqi wars.
Assad is far better a Muslim ruler than most of the ME rulers.
But Sunni Syrian rebels are not able to tolerate Assad just because he belongs to a different Muslim sect!
Height of nonsenses are: Syrian rebels are supported by Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Kuwaiti and other Sunni Arab League rulers and their hating and killer fronts wearing labels of al Qaida, MB, Salaffi and some more!
So in Syria, US and NATO allies are going to support those responsible for Benghazi attack on just one video on Mohammed.
Look at that fountainhead of major world hatings, killings and wars and economic problems: House of Saud.
House of Saud consists of a megalomaniac, despotic and bigoted strict Wahhabi ruler and highly corrupt, despotic, bigoted seventh century mindset 5000 princes and princesses. Most of them have huge harems of girls and women assembled from all over the world.
By the by, Saudi rulers are so tolerant that even Bibles are not pemitted.
Don't you think: to help them in 21st century in any form is height of crap unlimited?
1.4 million thats all....sheesh not much from a President of the US who holds every purse string he can get his hands on...not much other than spit, actually he could probably sell his spit for more than that
He could of kept it for him self. Then you would have something real to complain about.
They don't need our help they have the third largest Army in NATO and are very modernized. Funny I thought the Rebels were beating Regime Soldiers and since when do rebel soldiers in this case has shown or demonstrated how to operate scud missile batteries/ or other sophisticated military hardware? These people can't tell the truth to save there lives maybe something they forgot to tell someone?
The fact they are a member of Nato should answer all your questions. Figure it out.
It doesn't answer all my question's and NATO means one thing in my book Not Able To Organize why don't you figure it out!
Maybe it's time for some of the other members of NATO to step up ? Why does it always have to be our Troops and our Treasure. Iraq still owes us a few billion barrels of oil as payment for their freedom as far as I'm concerned. Turkey has been a fairly stable country for long time, how about we give them the go ahead to annex Syria. It won't cost us a dime and the problem will be solved, Hell we might even make some money selling weapons to Turkey. It seems we are the only country dumb enough to spend trillions on someone else's war then give away the spoils. The only thing we do is negotiate some fat contracts for big oil and Halliburton with the new puppet governments. there's no benefit to the average U.S. citizen though just more bills to be paid by our children and grandchildren.
N Serling, perhaps you should spend less time watching Fox News. It isn't the Syrian rebels firing scud missiles - it's the Syrian military.
I never said that Syrians Rebels were operating Scud Missile Batteries I know the Regime Soldiers are donig it as a desperation tactic! I'm not drinking the kool-aid and you should troll somewhere else.
Serling,you are wasting your time arguing with Gumps...That boat left a long time ago.
Turkey has been a NATO member since 1952. Although not MY favorite member, at least you know where you stand with them. This is one Operation that I would agree with.
I agree.
Turkey and strategic allies like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Qatar and a big battalion of Sunni rulers don't come to the rescue when outsource their Sunni battles on US and NATO as in Iraq.
How much did Turkey, Saudi Arabia and co help us in Iraqi wars?
They remember that they are allies when we have to do their dirty jobs.
Recently, on Hamas and Israel battles, most of the seventh century Sunni dancers led by Qatar, Turkey and others sided with Hamas.
Didn't Turkey send troops to Afghanistan?
Yes they did. There were a few Turkish troops in Afghanistan. I think they pulled out a few years ago.
They let us use their land and air fields to assemble our cross boarder strike forces. This draws unwanted attention towards their nation as US sympathisers and makes them targets for the terrorist. It also bring more conflict to the region as US troops are great targets. The only good thing they get out of it is the money.
Even if they don't play a direct role in peace keeping they are still affected by it.
This is the kind of crap that got us in debt; if this government just begins to start to help its people as much as it helps other countries it might earn the name GOVERNMENT again!
So in the mean time our people need to start helping themselves.
You mean, like buying all the products made in China?
Sure Jan, they have to be bought from some where, and if the unions keeps products from being made cheaply why not
Is that you MITT(myjohnsondon'tcarecauseIgotmagicunderwear)ROMNEY ?
Mitt would have had us in there in a heartbeat - wit a lot more than 400 people.
You guys are really blaming people for what IF's now?What are you going to say if Obama jumps in with both feet? I don't see how you can blame anyone but the current sitting president for this one..The traditional blame Bush option does not work on this one.
Correct. And the first step in doing that is to let others in these third world cat litter boxes fight their own damn battles.
@Wolfhound27: It's starting to look like the liberal democratic left has finally realized blaming Bush isn't going to work anymore - so now they throw Mitt into the equation - go figure!
@Hotticket Turkey is a member of NATO. I'm not sure about you, but I was taught that Americans don't turn their backs on allies in the name of convenience. And 400 troops and two missile systems on defensive orders is hardly a drop in the bucket for us. And we're not the only members of NATO contributing that much. I understand the tension given all the controversial involvement we've had in the ME in the past few years, but this action really is not comparable.
@Zuc, Wolf, Jannie etc... Hurling insults is not accomplishing anything but feeding the trolls and fanning the civil divisions that drama-makers are getting rich off of. Please don't feed the trolls and the drama-makers.
Talk about helping and going to wars for wrong causes and most ungrateful and backstabbing people: they were Iraqi wars and Libyan intervention!
We are back to square one on Syria and Iran!
About debts: it is Chapter 11 time for Fed!
The USA Government is in the hands of mercaders in the shadow no in the hands of the people, this country need liberate again, because the is VERY CORRUPT !
Wait until the 21st. This is nothing.
We can't get involved in this...I thought the Republicans were the warmongers?
I don't think this is war-mongering. I think this is anti-war-mongering. Us and two other NATO countries placing defensive military systems there is pretty good discouragement from escelating aggressions. If there was no such deterrent, then things could get a lot uglier in Turkey, also a NATO member, which would mean potentially a lot more involvement from other NATO countries (such as ourselves). And if we didn't get involved then, it would make us a pretty bad ally. Spend a little now to save a lot later. Oh, not to mention the lives saved if we can deter a full-scale conflict.
Mattt,
While I agree completely with backing up our allies when requested, just as Germany and the Netherlands has done with the US in this situation, I believe that most of the anger and bad sentiment does have some merit in that most Americans have largley become very distrusting of our own Government given the many past "covert" operations that are done under the guise of "helping" in such cases. The current administration is no different just because it is Democrats instead of Republicans.
This distrust of our Government is not going away, it is actually getting worse due to the current state of politics in general, and both sides are to blame.
Don't worry: Bill Clinton got busy in Yugoslavia and invented a Muslim nation, Bosnia in Europe!
Saudis, oil companies and their lobbyists paid him and his causes well!
In the last 24 years our country has had a democratic president 12 years and republican 12 years. No war has begun under a democratic president in the last 24 years but 3 wars have begun under republicans. I'd say the republican title of warmonger is safe. Democrats fire off a few cruise missles, republicans land 1/2 million troops. Bush 1 started 1 war, Bush 2 started 2, had Romney been elected he'd have went for 3.
I'd characterize Libya as a war, and I'd note that irrespective of who was president in 1991 we would have done DESERT STORM (or some variation) had diplomacy failed to dislodge Saddam from Kuwait. Likewise, Al Gore would have at the very least done something militarily in Afghanistan post-9/11.
With all the educated people in DC you would think one of them one figure out YOU CANNOT WIN IN THE MIDDLE EAST. get out stay out and leave them alone
mystic17, Normally your logic would be sound but,this same group of educated people can't balance a check book either.
Why does MSNBC have a featured video of aleppo rebels being "outgunned" when clearly they have taken over much of the country? We are supporting the wrong people. The ISLAMISTS are going to take over Syria now. We are subsidizing their populations with billions in AID.
EUROPEAN WOMEN IF YOU ARE READING, START HAVING MORE CHILDREN.
Educated idiots....
Money buys them all! But rates are different!!
So now the tables are turned... so what happens now if our troops get involved? I know blame BUSH
You had to bring him up?...I'd almost forgotten about him......
Give them time they will find a way to blame Bush...There was one previous post claiming what Romney would do...LOL now that's grasping at straws at it's best.
Yeah, Steve - Mitt is the new Bush, apparently!
Mitt? what has he got to do with this?
Let's not forget the carrier battle group while we're at it ...
You guys sit back and enjoy your holiday and let the military take care of this and do thier job.
If we had done as you said when we 1st went into Aghanistan it would be over by now.Too much micro management from thousands of miles away does'nt work.
We are over 16 trillon in debt and we are senting our troops to where, this just is not smart.
You people do realise our NATO alliance is our most important alliance right? If Obama pulled out of Nato you'd be calling for his impeachment. If he honors the commitment that alliance requires you still bitch.
What does Europe need NATO for... to defend against the domino effect... that great COMMUNIST menace. HEY... THERE AIN'T NO MORE COMMIES, and the dominoes never FELL!
@JAM
member states agree to mutual defense in response to an attack by "any" external party.
If Obama would've pulled out of NATO, I might have actually voted for him.
Larry 11.1 - Obama asked for the job he has. Excuses like he is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't go with the territory.
With all the weapon that turkey why can't they fight their own battle. these people have been at war with each other so long since before christ even when caesar was in charge. They don't even know why they are fighting each other.
The U.S sending troops to Turkey is a sign of strength as well as NATO.They are makeing the statement..MESS with one of us you have to mess with all of us..plain and simple.It's like having your buddies around you in a barfight.
What Wolf said. This isn't fighting a battle. This is posturing up with our allies to keep the battle from happening.
This homeless mercenaries from Libia, Talibans, irakies, afgans, etc. etc. Don't figth fro FREE, don't risk their lifes for free, is FOR MONEY a salary somebody pay them and provide arms, food, shelter, if they die in combat DON COLLECT his salary anymore, smart guys, good invesment for the rich conspirators in the shadows, they play chess whit the peoples life...
Hey, remember Ike; ole Ike warned us of this when he left office: WARS MAKE MONEY. As soon as profits dip, start a war! In fact, you won't even have to pay the money back... the STUPID TAXPAYERS WILL!
Middle eastern wars are soooo passe now. How many more wars do we have to see women and children killed so the descendants of the mud-peoples can make out with each other and lube up each others' AK-47s. Not to mention the thick mushroomy head of the Scud missiles that were launched this week. It's not sexy at all.
It's not sexy at all these wars. Even America and Britain lost their feelings of being turned on In Iraq and Afghanistan several years ago.
It makes no sense to me whatsoever why men who would otherwise love to tongue-mouth each other in the desert need a warzone to do that in.
Semper fi
when will Washington ever learn that the middle east hate's our gut's? they would rather lop our heads off with a dull sword than to look at us. we need to get our butts out of there and defend our own borders from them.
I'm sure Turkey sent us relief money to help pay for the victims of hurricane Sandy. Yeah Right!!!!! This is what happens when the government has unlimited checkbook paid for by the American middle and lower class. Not the rich, they can't afford it . That's why they are crying about tax increases.
Turkey did have a unit in Somalia that came to our aide while we were getting our butts shot off in the moge.I was never so glad to see a Turk in my life at that moment.
turkey must have asked for help or it wouldnt be happening,I believe the operative word here is "containment",There are more than 2 factions operating in Syria and some of them have serious ties to terror etc,..NATO is like that btw, if other members ask? then you have to act,..so be it,..
another bull@!$%# reason that @!$%# shouldnt have been realected, fix our problems and stop trying to solve everyone elses!!!!
This is fun watching you guys piss and moan lol
And Zuksam, that was a good one, now go lay by your dish
Mind you,it is,as always,a token force.There is,of course,Russia on the other side.And Turkey,whom we want to protect,has been sending all kinds of thugs and arms into Syria .That is to save the " freedom fighters " in that country.
Is this the same Turkey that refused our northern approach with the 3rd brigade when the US invaded Iraq?
If Romney had won we'd have 500,000 men on the Syrian border. Be thankful.
that is totally pointless Larry,just totally pointless.On the other hand though, are you ready to go?Sit down have another beer,watch the game,forget mitt.
Yes it is. So what.
i see mark..so what,as long as he does'nt say anything about a democrat it's ok..lol I does'nt matter really..So when Obama runs for his 3rd term you will have forgotten Romney by then.
And what will this lead to? We've wanted Patriot missile batteries there for years and so has Turkey. Iran...
we used to have nike Hercules batteries in Turkey....
Fiscal Cliff my ass....always plenty of tax dollars for war, but our entitlement programs are bankrupting the country. What a load of crap and we the people let them get away with this. We'll get exactly what we deserve, World War III's fuse is being lit. The military industrial complex won't be happy until they get us all blown to bits.
This whole thing really kinda proves that all politicans are in the same bed...both Democrats and Republicans..they just pull different peoples chains a different way.
@jpsholly This is not "war". This is posturing up to help DISCOURAGE war. If you and I disagree, then we both get all our friends together at our backs, it COULD escalate into a knock-down drag-out, but if you have a lot more friends than me and I chicken out, then a lot more lives have been saved than what would have happened if you and I had just duked it out on our own. If, however, your buddies wait until you and I start duking it out to get involved, either it's going to cost your buddies (such as the US and other NATO members) a lot more, or your friends will bow out and prove they're not such good friends after all.
Do you know that the only one who will who will get rich here is the greedy corporations who are giving these pols in Washington money to keep us in wars. Like mercs and weapons makers. "The more weapons, we build the least we have peace in this world. Research in gas, food, and other needed thing are given less money than in weapons research. especially that idiot majority leader in Congress who is more worry about his tan, then in his country.
Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Syria, we are there and staged for the coming War in the Middle East!
Its all part of the MICs plan to take out Iran and I'm sure the Israeli government has much to do with it.
watch the movie 2016. this is the plan!!!