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With a narrow margin of victory and most of the people on the losing side seeing voter fraud as a given it would behoove the MB to also accomadate the other half of the population. But given their history of violence don't count on it.
Alas, a leader elected through a democratic process doesn't necessarily validate the winner as a leader.
Stange how people speak of a democracy when a government has armed soldiers & tanks at the voting place to make sure everyone gets chance to vote the way their new muslim brotherhood party tell them to. Of course we have the Unions & Obama regime to guild us.
I remembered the catchy phrase used by the Democratic party during the campaign "Republicans declared a war on women" and justified their outrageous accusation by few flimsy arguments made about abortion and birth control. Well apparently these slogans were for local consumption, while the Obama's administration and its surrogate in the Middle East, Qatar, were helping the MB with promises of financial aid and political support. Well here is the real disaster
THIS EGYPTIAN CONSTITUTION IS A DECLARATION OF WAR ON WOMEN
This Constitution does state clearly that the Shariah and its interpretation by the Muslim scholars are the source of all laws, so women have no rights in marriage contracts, only men have the right to divorce their wives (up to four at any time BTW) and the custody of children is given to men.
This Constitution does not specify a minimum age for marriage, so ten year old girls can be sold for the pleasure of rich Arabs who are as old as the poor girl grand parents
Now can the leftist on this page explain what happened to their concern about women, or does this concern apply only to American women
what should obama/america have done? Mubarek was a disaster for male and female rights too...you know, people tortured, etc.
Coptic Christian Sharia Law is barbaric and yet Obama has surreptitiously supported it. But fighting it did not reap good results either. I have prayed for your family's safety. Quite frankly, the only answer seems to be separation. Send all the Muslims back to Muslim dominated countries and bring out all Christians Buddhists etc out of Muslim dominated countries. Since that will not happen I suppose it will come down to WW3 and what a sad and painful war that will be for the human race. I hope the dead fly quickly to the light and freedom in the next life. I hope I am wrong. Take Care
vermont, there were laws during Mubarak's regime that gave many rights to women. These rights were condemned by Islamists because they were not in there Shariah, and these rights are not included in this sham constitution.
As for Mubarak's abuse of human rights, yes there were some abuse, but Morsi and his gang of MB thugs have abused more human rights in few months than what Mubarak had done in thirty years. Try to follow the news before you post uninformed talking points.
Fight for freedom, thank you for your prayers, Egypt needs a lot of it today. BTW one of the few good news from Egypt is that all Christian denominations have regular prayer meeting in the largest Church in Egypt which is carved in the Mokatam's Mountain, the last one was last Thursday.
As for separation based on religion, actually most of those who are fighting against MB are Muslims, while many Christians are avoiding getting caught in this war because the MB are claiming that most of their oppositions are Christians and when the MB thugs arrest people in their on-going street fights, they try to find out if they are Christians, and if they turned out to be Christians they try to kill them. I heard a Muslim women saying on TV that the thugs who arrested her repeatedly asked about her name (you can usually tell the religion of an Egyptian from her name) and tried to look for a Cross Tattoo on her arm (which many Christian women have) and when they opened her bag and found items indicating that she is a Muslim, probably a Koran, they were puzzled and let her go. On the same program there was another Muslim woman with black eye caused by these Barbarians who attacked her on the assumption that she was a Christian!
NOW FOR THE GOOD NEWS HERE'S THE NIGHT OF PRAYER IN THE CHURCH IN AL- MOKATTAM (IT IS THE ZABALLEEN (GARBAGE COLLECTORS) QUARTER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TsxWkujAQ0
BTW This prayer meeting took all of Thursday night till Friday morning before the Saturday vote on the Constitution, they were shouting Yassou' (Jesus) and the Flags shown in the Church are the flags of Egypt. I posted a link to section 4, but here are the links to the other sections 1 - 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jSWfQ21mlU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nbdIxqPtrM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT3cvkCxuxw
and section 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvlwHID3Vy8
What joyous music. Thank you for sharing it. I recently read an article about an important Jewish mystic who lived to be very old. He was highly revered by the Jewish world. Before his death he wrote the name of the Messiah to come and told them to not open it for one year after his death. When they opened the envelope one year later the name listed was Yeshua which is another name for Jesus. The rabbi's name was Kaduri.
Other sources are saying the Muslim Brotherhood is actually in charge of counting the ballots. That's like giving the Republicans the right to count presidential votes and come up with their own version of the election. There's still something fishy in Egypt.
Back to basics-1076842: How can you compare Muslim terrorist to republicans?? It is easier to Compare Obama to the Muslim brotherhood with the way (s) he has skipped over the US Constitution and issued edicts like Morsi in Egypt. Do you really think that Obama is going to stand up for freedom and tolerance in Egypt or will he accept another book from Hugo about how bad the US is???
Or giving the Democrats carte blanche to increase the debt ceiling.
M. J.-Ct, lets not makes this about Republicans & Democrats since it is the democrats who had union thugs telling people to vote for obama or they wouldn't have job afterwards. Or how about the good old panthers intiminating & threating people during elections. Um, I don't much difference between obama armies & the muslim botherhood.
The debt ceiling deals with funds that have already been appropriated and spent. The legislature appropriates funds, and raises revenue through taxes. If the legislature doesn't cover the difference, the nation incurs debt. It has to be paid, or our credit rating collapses, and no one will buy Treasury bonds.
Raising the debt ceiling doesn't permit anyone to spend money that hasn't been appropriated by the Congress. Period. So this is all just theater - Congress requires the Executive to spend funds, and gives the Executive the power to collect taxes to pay for those expenditures. Now Congress is insisting that the Executive come back to get permission to pay the bills because they haven't provided for enough revenue to cover the expenses. Really, really dopey.
Like this was some earth shattering news that the Islamics win. AND by a narrow margin yet.
Ya, when pigs fly.
They are reporting "by a narrow margin" to make it appear as if they won fair and square. I bet if all the votes were looked at by some other country, like say, China, England, Ireland, France, maybe the U.N who should have overseen the election process, the outcome would have been much different.
The U.N. is always sticking it's nose in where it doesn't belong in issues it has no right to and the one time it SHOULD have demanded that they do the counting for the sake of the people, SILENCE. Like they are stone deaf.
The very n*t j*bs Islam brotherhood are not about to share power with anyone else, and are going to make sure that the Islam way of life is followed.
That means more enslavement for other religious groups and women. The outcome was what was intended by the leaders, does not matter how the vote went.
Muslims will always win especially when they control entrances to voting booths and what is on the ballot.
I hope that the liberal Academicians in America Universities Middle East Departments; and institutes such as the Brookings and the Widrow Wilson International Center will study the impact of this Shariah based constitution on human rights of all Egyptians and in particular on the rights of women and minorities
Don't hold your breath. "Liberal Academicians in America" are not on your side.
I know but I want to expose their ignorance and/or hypocrisy. I lived long enough to remember admiring Edward Said, a Christian BTW, when he was defending the Palestinian cause after the 1967 war, then he started brainwashing the West with his Orientalism he manged to influence all Middle East Departments in many prestigious American Colleges through his students. My problem with these people is that they could not see the changes that started to take place in the 1970's where secular Islamist were gradually losing control to hard core Islamist. The same applies to the Zoghby's brothers who are Christians committed to the Arab causes while the ground is shifting under their feet and today's Arab World have little in common with the world they grew up in.
Much of the funding for Universities comes from large corporations. Corporations fund who will play the papers and research to benefit them. Trying to legitimize Sharia Law and Islam has been skillfully executed. The bottom line powerful interests want the ME controlled by dictators and they don't care if the iron fist comes from the MB or any other hardliner Islamic group.
fight for freedom, you touched on many important issues related to the Islamist control of ME and Islamic studies in American Universities. I could go on for ever trying to unravel the source of this conspiracy but one good example may be enough to sort out all the usual suspects; here's Amazon short biography of one leading Academic Islamic professors, John L. Esposito
We have Saudi's money, Jesuit college, Oldest Western University, all supporting a Professor who will teach us What Everyone Needs to Know about Islam!
Coptic Christian, it is a sorrowful reality, however most americans didn't think twice about anyone or country in the Middle East except for oil & profits until the day the Twin Towers were destroyed. The US government only worked toward the interest of the big oil tycoons & contractors who only goal was greed.
The world will never change until man/woman kind come to accept the facts gods/religion was created to control the masses through violence, fear & ignorance. I don't happening any time soon. Wow how are those prayers going.
Relgion the core of all evil & most wars.
those Muslim idiots should have had a Constitution for everybody! centuries ago.
Ha ha! Ha hahaha ha, ha ha, ha ha ha ha. Hah!
This is rich, they turned in a relatively benevolent authoritarian leader only to be crushed under the darkness of Islam!
I hope they love it.
Liberal ..., many in Egypt are now opposed to the MB take over of the country, they are in a life-and-death battle with Islamist. What I am really looking for is an about-face turn in the American policies and the Middle East Academicians, most of them were peddling an Islamic Democracies as a substitute for secular dictatorships in the Middle East
The FIX WAS IN EARLY....there was no way Morsi and his Islamist Conservitives would not win...If they defeated the Constitution then they would have defeated Morsi...and that was NOT GOING TO HAPPEN...So Israel better button up it's southern border...and patrol the water of GAZA ... create a buffer zone of ONE MILE or more..between the Southern border of GAZA AND EGYPT...from the eastern edge of Gaza to the Sea.....Here is comes....For get the settelment ..Israel is going to have bigger fish to fry ...Much Much bigger fish to fry...
To all of you living in Egypt and are not Islamasists, it is time to plan your departure soon. Once this crazed gang of Islamothugs are in power you will be the infidel and you will be exterminated. They have to get back to the 4th century and are on their way now.
William, actually the tide is turning against the Islamo-Fascist, these fascists admitted that they committed many mistakes. Many of their victims in the last few months used to be either supporters of MB or at least sympathizers of this group, I watched many devout Muslims on private Egyptian TV stations saying that they hate the MB.
Just before the vote the Islamist thugs attacked a News paper building, they beat up people going to the TV center, and today I read that the interior minister, who is in charge of law enforcement, complained that he wanted to take stronger actions against the leader of the Salafist's thugs but his hand is tied because Morsi is not allowing him to do that.
What is really needed is that this clueless administration take a strong and clear stand and do not sit ideally while the Egyptian secular movement is crushed by Islaomo-Fascists, and thus betray the Egyptian Democratic movement in the same way they betrayed the democratic movement in Iran just few years ago.
If Egyptians approve of a Islamist Government then they should not complain at all later on. The women should plan their escape now because Sharia Law is just around the corner. Seems to me the Men in that country aren't worth a good crap anyway.
Tarzan, this vote was rigged from the beginning, here are some facts
The Constitution was composed by mostly Islamists, after many women, secular Muslims, and all Christian representative withdraw when their opinions were ignored.
It was condemned by most of the legal scholars, except of course the MB members, because it has many items which contradict all legal rules.
Most of the secular judges refused to supervise the vote, and no body knows who supervise the vote. The law require Judges to supervise all polling places which obviously was ignored. I will post a link to one of these supervisors who looks more like an Imam in a Mosque than a Judge.
There was many irregularities in this vote including having to conduct it on two separate days dividing the country Geographically, and that was needed because of the judges boycott.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mmhCQYN25Q8
If the Voting was rigged from the beginning, and the Army is backing Morsi, then all is lost. More Bloodshed to follow.
I wouldn't even call them men. Really what man, what father stones their children for being raped & call it honor killing. To me an honor killing would taking the rapist out of this world so it can't harm another in the name of their god & religion. And why do they fear women so much as to deny them basic respect, dignity & education?
Look at how few stars you babble rousers are getting. Only a few at first and then nearly none. And now I suppose that you wonder how 51% is really democracy, at least a republic has a chance to succeed when mob rule never even has a chance. And at this time I do not even mind not getting votes as they would be meaningless.
Here's a video of the Islamist thugs attacking the building of an opposition party "El Wafd" and its newspaper. Even if you don't understand Arabic, you can hear the thugs shouting "Allahu-Akbar" while attacking the building.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hTS-JC9B0i0#!
Coptic,
Why do you think the reasonable non-Islamic fanatics will ever have anything to say or be in control. The role of Muslim countries in the world is in huge decline and they are responsible for allowing, yes, allowing this to happen as their insistence of religion before government and thought has doomed them.
The nasty surprise is going to occur when an Islamist government assumes power, and the tourists stop coming. Egypt is not a rich country to begin with, and it relies very heavily on tourist dollars. There are no oil wells in Egypt.
I wonder if the dead got a vote like they do in Chicago? How do you think Ramses or Amenhoetep voted?
The problem is you have educated people who know whats going on having to live under a constitution voted in by poor ignorant religious peasants who know nothing more than the brotherhood who's using them for gaining power. Thus you have the achilles heel of majority vote, same thing here too in America I guess theres not much you can do about it just a bad situation.
Another biased national constitution for Egypt that marginalizes minority groups esp Christians. So much for these muslim countries whose Koran speaks of love of neighbors. Guess again it doesnt pertain to those whom they dont like i.e. Christians once again. Pinheads that want democracy yet will deny it for others of their nation.
No big surprise. Lack of education (the ability to read) and fear of chaos left the Egypt with little choice. The Arabs in the ME do not no how to be free. They fear freedom of thought. Women who have the ability are leaving the country by the hoards. the ones who cant are screwed. Soon as they relize may be not in my life time to separate religion and gov the better off the middle east will be. If they put down the religious books and pick up a history book and see what large religious groups do when they are in power they may get a clue.
Actually the only good thing that came out of the MB take over, is that many devout Muslims were turned off by the tyranny and lawlessness of the MB. This negative opinion of the MB is not limited to the educated class, many uneducated people are upset because their relatives were the victims of the latest rounds of fighting, and now they are convinced that the MB and their thugs were behind these attacks.
So 56% is now called a narrow win? A passing vote is a passing vote whether by 20 or 2 points. I find it almost comical that the losers are saying that this was rigged? If winning by 6% point is rigging, they are worst kind of fraudulent government in history.
LOL!!!
Will, the rigging was in the way the vote was conducted, most of the honest judges refused to supervise the vote, MB brought their lackeys to supervise the vote. There were many irregularities reported and posted on YouTube.
Would you accept the results of an election in the States where most of the polling supervisors were members of the KKK (or Black Panthers)! or would you just "LOL" it and move on
Here's a YouTube posting, where a woman wearing a Nekab shows two casted ballots both marked NO, i.e. objecting to the proposed constitution, the woman said that she picked hem tfrom the floor when the judge tossed them out because I guess he did not like them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2XOLdvj7tY&feature=player_embedded#!
Latest news about the sham constitution; today the highest judicial authorities decided not to supervise the second stage of voting covering the rest of the country. The judges were promised that the Government will disperse the Islamists thugs surrounding the supreme court in return for the judges supervising the first phase of the vote that took place last Saturday. Since the siege of the Court continued, the head of the Judge's association condemned the fact that the Government did not keep its word and said that they will not supervise the second phase.