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Constitution is passed, with more than 50%, a majoirty vote; the other side please do respect the democracy.
So you are advocating rule by the mob?
Of course it is going to pass. The Muslim Brotherhood will make sure of it the same way they made sure that Morsi won the election, through voter intimidation and stuffing the ballot boxes. The judges overseeing the referendum are all loyal to the Muslim Brotherhood so they will look the other way while the results are manipulated. The opposition judges are all boycotting the referendum because of the way in which the constitution was drafted and hurried through by the Islamists. Morsi kept the Egyptian high court from disbanding the Islamist dominated group writing the constitution with the special powers he gave himself. This was to prevent the courts from ordering the reconstitution of the committee drafting the constitution to be more representative of all of Egyptian society. Then as soon as the draft constitution was approved by the Islamist committee writing it and the document was sent to Morsi for the referendum he "graciously" withdrew those powers because he did not need them anymore. This entire constitutional process has been rigged by the Islamists from the start and the constitution does not represent a consensus of the people of Egypt, it only represents the Islamists views.
Which is about as equitable as their constitution will be once this is all said and done.
Off topic, JS...what kind of a mouse is that??? He's very cute and have always wanted to inquire.
There was only a little cheating and fraud, so just ignore that in a close election.
Muslim Brotherhood members on hand at all polling centers wouldn't intimidate voters. RIGHT????
Of course, majority has to be respected.
If the majority is a rigged one, such a majority is fit for garbage dumps!
First the exit polls suggested that "no" was a majority; then it became a close one; and now it is majority for Islamists!
This is typical of democracies, human rights, women rights, majority, secularism, fairness and other big words used by some.
For some Saudi Arabia is the model here!!!!
Well sure ... if it were a democracy.
Ha, Ha, Ha!
Luv reading all the sour grapes!
This from people that suffered (and maybe even voted for :O !) BUSH!
Bwahahahaha!
Deal with it.
Bring on your grapes!!!
Good Morning Chef!
Sort of sounds like our elections here doesn't it?
This comes as no surprise really.
Good luck with that Egypt!
Here Egypt is creating a Constitution.
More than sixty years later the zionist state of Izrael doesn't even have one.
Why is that? It isn't obligatory, but sometimes it is telling. Would Izrael codify their racism for all to see in black and white? Don't think so. And don't hold your breath.
Izrael doesn't even have official borders, it would put a big damper on their theft of other people's territory if they made such a declaration.
No Constitution, no official borders and no morals after more than sixty years!!! And some people think THAT is a country? Bwahahaha!
And some people think ur an idiot! sounds like what the GOPTPers Kochs Rove Fox and co. are trying to push down our throats with all the atacks on women, gays, elderly, poor, unions, teachers, abortion, just to name a few. this country is going to the rich racist plotocrats who are just the same as any muslem brotherhood its the same authoritarian rule just with a helluva lot more money and power and little different aproach HUH!
I heard that the majority of Egyptian women have voted in favor of the constitution shaped by the Islamists. So let's not hear anymore comments/complaints about the poor suffering Arab women. They made their choice. Now the rest of us should live with it.
One can't imagine many Muslim nations, especially Sunni majority ones, are marching backwards to seventh century desert Islamic days of hating and killing.
Here Sunni rulers of House of Saud, Qatar, Kuwait, UAE and other Sunni Arab League nations are real culprits.
The US, British, French, Germans and other western nations can't keep them floating for long as extremism and violence are Frankenstein monsters.
Better dump them all soon.
As a first step, keep away from them and remove sanctions on Iranian oil to reduce oil prices.
Well, it's not like they didn't "feel" this one coming. I mean, Muslims love a good iron fisted dictator it seems, and rules to go along with it so they can't overthrow him. A puppet backed by Militant Muslim Brotherhood (is there any such thing as a non-militant muslim?- I think not, the very fact people refer to them as "moderate" doesn't mean they abhore violence, it still means they are militant just to what degree.)
Of course they are going to pass this stuff, it gives the Muslim Brotherhood a tighter grip, why? Because the Quran preaches violence against NON-MUSLIM. Think about that, ANY NON MUSLIM.
And to those of you who would say that Christianity and Judaism Holy Books preach the same thing ... well, you're just plain wrong... Christianity and Judaism were both founded hundreds of years before Islam, meaning Islam wasn't around and therefore NONE of the verses preach violence specifically toward any specific group, much less ALL of them other than Islam, which by the way, they can't even seem to stop killing each other on horrific scales.
Bring our troops back, support our real allies in the region and unite Israel, invest in our schools and teachers, put a cop in every school across america, patrol our borders, and stop giving billions in aid to nations who are Islamic and preach violence specifically toward America, Christians, Jews, and Israel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7qrybtztJw
There, that link is the FOUNDER OF HEZBOLLAH speaking, and despite what a person says about his views on Christianity, it's worth watching to know what Islam is truly about, firsthand, from an Iranian and the Co-Founder of Hezbollah.
@J.P
Actually J.P, if anyone doesn't have a country, it's Palestine and the Palestinian people. I'd rather support a Jewish nation in Israel than an Islamic country anywhere on the planet.
I can also pretty much speak for most americans when I say, I'd feel more comfortable with Jewish and Christian neighbors (I actually do!) than I ever would with muslim neighbors. At least I know in my mind that the Christian and Jewish people haven't been reading verses that command them to behead me because I'm not of their faith.
Give it up, Israel is going to be united, and the only Laughable people are the militant muslims living in the West Bank and Gaza, using East Jerusalem as their capital. It's obvious they are heavily supported by Iran and other Islamic Totalitarian governments in the region. Furthermore, Israeli borders go back in Western Records much further than ANY ISLAMIC borders...why? Because Islam is a newer religion, by hundreds of years.
Talk about a people or a country without borders...ummm...have you not heard? THERE IS NO PALESTINE!
You talking about Egypt of the US?
Billie-2352729 - This is a prime example of why a true Democracy is nothing more than a dictatorship by the majority. One group being able to vote away another groups rights is not cause for celebration. It's real easy to cheer Democracy, at least till you're on the losing end of the vote. This just makes me even more thankful for the foresight our founding fathers showed when putting together our constitution.
Seems like something as important as a constitution should have more than just a simple majority. It is going to be what the country is based on. It should need something like 75% approval. That way clearly it is what the people want, instead of barely 50% of the people wanting it, and 49.99% not wanting it.
A good constitution would be balanced to protect the rights of the minorities who could not hope to change it by majority vote. A bad Constitution will trample the rights of the minorities with no regard to their human rights.
A Theocracy can never be transformed into a Democracy, and it seems that muslim fundamentalists have derailed Egypt's move from a dictatorship into something potentially more frightening.
Democracy: meaning rule of the people.
If the people of Egypt have truly spoken, then this is their Constitution.
Time will tell whether they'll be happy with it.
Egyptians need to stop getting emotional and boycotting voting - if you really do oppose MB then get out and vote! This is the exact reason MB is in power now - half the population sat out the presidential vote, a little over a quarter voted for Morsi and the rest for Mubarak's boy. So in essence a quarter of a population voted for Morsi, and MB has a pretty high turnout so you're just hurting yourself and doing your country a disservice.
If Morsi ever had the slightest doubt the Islamist majority would win,he would never have consented to a referendum in the first place. NonMuslins are screwed again.
Those, who opposed corrupt and despotic Mubarak, did not ask this Islamic fast backwards march to seventh century tribal and desert days of hating and killing.
House of Saud and other despotic bigoted Sunni rulers inspired and funded barbaric and bigoted Sunni MB and Morsi have hijacked the Arab Spring in Egypt.
Egyptians have to save themselves from Morsi and MB, the Sunni haters and killers.
Morsi and MB are not saving Egyptians, Instead they will be destroying Egypt like Pakistan, Libya, Syria, Iran and other Muslim basket case nations.
As a part of disobedience movement, new Arab Spring, start burning Morsi and his Bloodhounds constitution, which has Sharia laws.
Army should rebel and send Morsi and his MBs to jails and kill if MBs oppose. Army should not leave a trace of MBs.
Yup, typical Democrat that thinks politics and peoples lives are a sporting event.
"Haha, we won, you lost". That's some real maturity there.
Issues-smissues....as long as I can say my team won, right?
That mentality is the state of politics today for most....sadly. Take away political parties and 90% of the population of any country would have no clue who to vote for.
What is democratic about a constitution that does not support all of the citizens and just how do they expect to transition forward???
A strict sharia based dictatorship is what they will transition to. The voting part is just for show so they can cash our checks.
Exactly!!! My question was merely rhetorical. Morsi and his bros are getting exactly what they want. Too bad what they want is not in the best interests of all Eygptians.
I think we need to stop judging other countries by American standards.The 3rd world countries are way different culturally than we are.
Chefaz..many Americans think the same thing about our recent election.
"Even a narrow loss could hearten leftists, socialists, Christians and more liberal-minded Muslims who make up the disparate opposition camp"
Here Netanyahus and the US Jewish lobby is missing!
It appears that they don't understand the dangerous implications of backdoor take over of Egypt by Sunni Islamic extremists like Salaffi, MB and other label ones.
If the sane Muslims, females, Christians and Jewish lobby permit Islamist rule with Sharia law as guide, then they will be first targets of the Sunni Islamic extremist hating and killing machines.
NO MORE OF OUR TAX MONIES OR ANY SUPPORT TO SAUDI ARABIA and THEIR FRONTS IN EGYPT, TURKEY, SYRIA, IRAN AND OTHER PLACES.
The (American taxpayer ) funded Military will decide who rules Egypt! That said Morsi has promised top Military leaders 72 virgins each to go the way of Sharia law ( no bombs attached).........However on the home front the Benghazi flu continues to spread throughout the O'Bama Administration!
Since we are currently a majority (non muslime) maybe it is time to re-write our Constitution leaving muslimes no rights whatsoever. Own or read a koran........beheaded. Go to a mosque......beheaded. Wear a burka in public......beheaded. Practice or preach sharia law......beheaded. Sound fair? Following the muslime brotherhood's plans, all we need is a majority vote. We can start by enforcing the laws in Dearborn, Michigan and San Diego, California. I know if I was a woman in Egypt I would be currently making travel arrangements.
50% of Egyptians are religious kooks. That's less than we have in the US, so that's a positive.
After she hit her head she came up with the idea of the Flux Capacitor. 1.21 GIGA WATTS?!
Oh wait, this isn't the thread for Hilary fainting.
As long as the world believes in mythological beings and books written by profiteers, there will always be strife.
actually we are not much better in the west.We believe the myths that money can do anything and our politicians are the profiteers.(both parties)
Immediate profits are guiding factors.
Then myths, spins, excuses and lies are all part of the games to cover up sometimes rotten deeds!
House of Saud consists of a megalomaniac, despotic and bigoted strict Wahhabi ruler and highly corrupt, despotic, bigoted seventh century mindset 5000 princes and princesses. These maniacs of all kinds have assembled huge battalions of girls and women from all over the world.
House of Saud are the real culprits in the fast backward march of Islam through their Sunni one-way traffic hating and killing fronts like Salaffi, Wahhabi, MB, al Qaida, Taliban and other ones operating under different labels in different nation.
If many in the US, Britain, France, Germany and Europe support Sunni Islamic megalomaniacs and Islamic religious Nazis in 21st century, then anything is possible.
Can some give explanations to station the US forces without Bibles to save these barbaric and beastly fountainheads of Islamic extremism on rampage all over the world?
Egyptian women should read up on Lucretia Borgia.
There's almost always something good to say about even the worst of people in the past.
Hitler promoted the Volkswagon, Mussolini made sure trains ran on time. Joseph Stalin? Organized religion got what it deserved for being involved with politics.
Joe Stalin taught us how to keep the competition in check.
Remember 'It's not the votes that count. It's who COUNT the votes". Joseph Stalin
Who is counting the Egyptian votes?
Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood!
Guess who wins!
51% is enough to elect a president but not enough to pass a Constitution. If the Constitution does not protect 49% of the people then there is something flawed with it.
Kinda sounds like the U.S at the moment.
You are partly correct!
Religion is the opium of masses.
But Sunni Islamic extremism, invented, funded and exported all of the world by the rulers of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, Qatar and other Sunni Arab League nations, is high dosage heroin!
Model is in Saudi Arabia, our "greatest strategic ally."
Sunni rulers can't tolerate even a fairly good leader like Assad in Syria as he belongs to a different Muslim sect!
These Sunni rulers may not know much difference between crackers and WMDs, but their pals and lobbyists are discovering dangerous WMDs in Iran.
For these Sunni rulers, Paki nukes are Allah's flowers on sale!
Sunnis are bravest when it comes to females, unarmed minorities, and helpless people. They number more than a billion! Vow!!!!!
But they could not save their Sunni Kuwaiti and Saudi rulers and their princes, princesses and harems from Saddam!
Here they needed the help of infidels of NATO forces to save them from Saddam.
Now their seventh century dances, dramas, weepings like cry babies, chest beatings of different varieties have started on Assad!
After their jobs are down, it is back to business: Down with Amerika, Kill Zionists and so on and on!
Has history seen more ungrateful and backstabbing barbarians than these Saudi variety Sunnis and their beastly promoters?
Hope Obama will be happy with his Egyptian Policies now.
I'm sure the Israelis wont like it.
There probably is no way to make everyone happy in the middle eastern countries.They seem to enjoy constantly in some kind of conflict.The Balkans are not far behind them either.
Obamas Syrian policies mirror his Egyptian policies. Just as in Iraq & Afghanistan & Serbia from previous administrations; aother win for extremists Muslims.
Bad things, Man.
Let's send Pigotry and Feisty over there to straighten things out.Between those 2 they know it all.
Should it come as a surprise to anyone that the revolution has produced a new government which is even more despotic than the one it overthrew? these are not well educated critical thinking people, and the factional leaders are pretty much all corrupt, each having their own personal agenda and scheme to acquire power and wealth. Certainly there isn't much in the way of actual desire to create a better system of government for the people who are forced to live under it (and the key word here is "UNDER").
I understand why the extreme Christian right in this country feel threatened by Islam, because on balance it seems to be a very oppressive and fanatical religion, that replaces personal freedoms with religious subjugation, and cruel and extreme punishments for perceived violations of religious dogma. The practitioners of this "faith" have no compunctions whatsoever with regard to using the religion to oppress and enslave others, and the current events in Egypt demonstrate this.
I have no doubt, that ultimately the great war (You know it's prophesied in pretty much every holy book on the planet) will come to pass. Mainly because people (like myself for instance) who have never known oppression and persecution by religious fanaticism, will fight. I'll fight to the death before I'll let anyone tell me how to believe and how I have to live my life. The very notion is intolerable to Americans.
Bottom line is that these rag head radicals had better watch their @sses. We've already demonstrated our military superiority and our considerable skill at destroying their armies. If Iran, Syria, Egypt, or any of the rest of them really WANT a turn, I'm sure we can arrange it.
It's a start. People who bad mouth our Constitution of this country should take heed. Every country that has been freed since we became free have modeled their peace documents and bills of Rights have been modeled after ours. It's a far cry from perfection but we should be proud.
And every year that obama is in office, he trying to find ways to destroy to our Constitution, what's next the right to carry arms?
Well I see why they call you lol...you're a joke. So tell me there Tom Jefferson, just how has the evil socialist black man in the White house threatened your personal life and liberty. Please expound upon the insidious plot to undermine and ultimately deprive you of your rights under constitutional law.
Now the Republicans...THERE'S a buncha "Good 'Ol Playa's" with a game plan. They've Gerrymandered every one of the states where they control the state legislatures and hold Governorship's, to the point where it now takes anywhere from 1-3/4 to 2-1/2 Democratic votes for each 1 Republican votes cast in order to get a Democratic candidate elected. Ah yes the magic of redistricting, allowing the currently controlling party to rig future elections so they can remain in power...INDEFINITELY!
Then of course there are the voter suppression programs that the GOP is pressing forward with, even after having their fraudulent agenda exposed for what it truly is during the last election. Hey if ya can't beat 'em, keep their team bus from making it to the game.
Also there is their covert war on organized labor and collective bargaining. Red states (Appropriate, don't you think...the term "RED") are falling like dominoes. The GOP is passing "Right to work" laws over the objections of the very people who will be most negatively affected by them. Research and tracking of these laws have shown irrefutably, that the ONLY real discernible effect these laws have on jobs and employment...is to further reduce wages and benefits. But the laws also accomplish one other significant goal for the GOP. They cut the financial legs out from under one of the Democratic party's biggest supporters, the labor unions. Put the Unions out of business, take away the oppositions party's campaign contributors, and to hell with the people whose livelihoods are affected and whose children may go hungry in the process.
And in addition they've got their relatively new requirements that pending legislation receive 60% majority vote rather than the traditional majority that was the standard established measure outlined in the precious constitution you carp about the EXECUTIVE branch of government trying to destroy. When coupled with the GOP'S newly rediscovered love affair with the filibuster...well now, don't we have a near perfect recipe for obstructing and impeding virtually ALL of the governing power of the legislature?
And that's EXACTLY what this party of wealth representing shills are about, undermine the free, fair, and democratic vote of the people, establish a rigged system that places THEM into power and control, and maintains that control indefinitely by squelching the voices of opposition, and suppressing the vote of people who support their political opponents. Outlawing the unions (and thereby the rights of the people to hold out for fair compensation and living wages) in order to achieve political funding advantages through use of their wealth funded "Super Pacs" while leaving Democrats no viable large contributor funding other than the few business contributors that actually deal in good faith with their customers and employees. They control the legislature through chicanery and obstructive tactics to extort what they can not pass on merit, stifling any and all legislation that does NOT serve the very narrow interests of their wealthy oligarch constituents. They no longer even bother the represent the people of the congressional districts they were elected to serve, choosing rather to lock arms and stand defiantly against the will and wishes of the American people in their unyielding defense of wealth and privilege.
And you say that President Obama...is destroying the constitution.
Are you stoned? Or just really F$%&ing stupid.
Hey!!! Any of you folks remember way back when ... at the beginning of this "arab spring" ... obama was calling for President Mubarak to step aside ... let democracy ring, all the while the Muslim Brotherhood continued to assure the public and the rest of the world that their organization had absolutely no desire to even get involved in the political process ... well folks ... surprise!!!
once again
all 3 religions muslims, jews, and the christians are the same they all follow abraham who is the teller to all that there is one god
all 3 religions believe in abraham so what seams to be the problem in the middle east
ill tell you, no one fears god till they are on their death bed, peeps talk the talk but cannot walk the walk its called greed, we are imperfect humans, meanwhile they set up all actions on this planet for what mans wants not what god wants, and all religions have their greedy hands in that bucket of cr ap
and dont care to wash it off
its what i want its what others want what is best for me me me this is our world actions FOR MEEEEEE
start thinking about others once in a while, start thinking about what you do to others and what it does overall
if you cant do this you might as well flush because you will be no better than a turd in a bowl
festering all around you with a sickening stench
and right now all extremist who forcefully push their ideas on to others have that sickening smell to them
set religion aside and what do you have ? can you guess ? if not you are an idiot
YOU HAVE HUMANS WHO ARE ALL THE SAME DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH
we all forgot that didnt we
yep back to the greed
live with your stench you created it now you live in it
funny how peeps complain about what they created themselves lol
and no i do not live on greed money is irrelevent and yes i help everyone i can that needs help
oh believe me i still stink but not as bad as that outhouse we call the middle east
ya im no better but i try unlike others
But for Muslims, not many followers of other religions like Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism and others get hung up on religion.
Just look at the fate of Pope! Pope and his Roman Catholics are all becoming weaker.
But rabid one-way traffic extremist Sunni Wahhabis of House of Saud and their other Sunni ruling pals and their clerics are getting stronger and are on rampage all over the world.
Egypt, Mali, Syria, Pakistan, Nigeria, Sudan are some examples.
For Jews even survival in ME is becoming a problem!
Remember what Bush said about our Constitution? I do.
"...just a g-ddamn piece of paper"
Just a g-ddamn piece of paper.
You may even have voted for Bush. Ha!
The leader of the Republicans...what a disaster. Republicans should be seen and not heard. After the TWO terms of that disaster you should be so ashamed that you never speak up. NEVER! But you do, because not only do you know no shame you cannot descern a disaster when you see it. You are UNBELEIVABLE!
Bush / Obama / Carter / Clinton all disasters . you think the American people have a choice? Both parties are controlled from the same purse string. Americans were hoping for another Ronald Reagan.. not that he was perfect, but we got both G.H.Bush ( a globalist) and his son ( a globalist )
America has been taken over, but few see
Here Egypt is creating a Constitution.
More than sixty years later the zionist state of Izrael doesn't even have one.
Why is that? It isn't obligatory, but sometimes it is telling. Would Izrael codify their racism for all to see in black and white? Don't think so. And don't hold your breath.
Izrael doesn't even have official borders, it would put a big damper on their theft of other people's territory if they made such a declaration.
No Constitution, no official borders and no morals after more than sixty years!!! And some people think THAT is a country? Bwahahaha!
bless Israel and you will be blessed
curse Israel and you will be cursed
Seems the Hitler types and the Muslim world have something in common> Hate for the jewish people.
Soon the world will see what will happen in the Middle East but will not acknowlege the true GOD or trust on Him.
Come on now....we all knew what the outcome would be. It is like Chicago. If you think a Republican will win the next election, you don't know how Chicago counts votes.
Isaiah 19
I always laugh when I hear people talk about democracy.
Here in the USA, only people with money have any real freedom. Only the very wealthy have any real representation in our governemnt. Only those with lots of money can expect to find justice in our courts.
The rest of us are just wage slaves Who live from pay check to pay check. That's how it is here in the Corporate States of America.
The Islamists are probably worse than us, but not by much. Maybe we should spend more time focusing on inequalities here in our country and worry about Egypt less.
So the rioting in the streets will continue and perhaps turn into civil war. It all depends on the military, who will have the last word.
Rex-1306908
So the rioting in the streets will continue and perhaps turn into civil war. It all depends on the military, who will have the last word.
whoever has the most weapons and support wins
America should end all aid to Egypt immediately.
i'd rather keep the aid to the military going, since they are the real power in egypt and are essentially an ally of ours.
They must have taken a page right out of the Community Organizers play book : Voter Fraud tactics?
or just plain typical stupidity?
I hear that Fox News is having a special on now, quick, tune in. :)
so witty lol Not :)
Mathematically, the vote on the constitution should not pass. Morsi won the presidency election with a little more than 51%, now we have the majority of the secular people who supported him during the election are opposing the constitution; which reduce his supporters and put the Islamists in their real size of about 20%+ of the voters.
But the Islamists are not allowed to lose the constitution battle no matter how; it is vital for them, a matter of political life or death. Your best bet down the road (which will happen sooner or later) is when today’s Islamists allies fight among themselves; Muslim Brotherhood Vs Salafists vs. jihadists; it is the power struggle that will soon bring down the religious mask of those groups and send them to the darkest corner of the Middle East history.
Isaiah 19
Having limited Judicial powers priors to the vote on a Constitution is highly suspect. Of course, any leader that has tanks surrounding him is probably not too concerned with a democratic process.
The 10% of christians in Egypt don't feel the constitution is based toomuch on islamic law. Thats the way it is in a dmocracy. In our country do you think anyone would be sympathetic if the 1-2% of muslims in the U.S. said we don't like the constitutionbecause it is based on judeo-chrstian princciples and not on sharia law? The dominant culturs gets to make the rules-period.
Beware of the tyranny of the majority - always. The American constitution is supposed to guarantee that does not happen, but the Egyptian constitution does not.
I hope that many of the readers here realize that historically the majority is nearly always wrong, which is why "democracy" must be legally and often forcefully guided by a constitution written by wise men (which leaves Islamic "scholars" out, methinks). The USA was lucky to have such wise men coming together at a single point in history. Does not happen often.
Unfortunately, few Americans understand the concept of tyranny of the majority, even though the Founding Fathers were well aware of the possibility. People equate democracy with majority rule. A fundamental feature of a true democracy is the ability and interest in protecting minorities. The Egyptian system is majority rule, but is not a democracy. The same applies in the US when the ability to grant or deny civil rights to minorities if decided by 50% plus 1 of the people.
The passage of Obamacare is an example of democratic tyranny.