Conservatives sweep to power in faltering Japan

Yuriko Nakao / Reuters

A couple on a bicycle cycles past election campaign posters displayed outside a polling station in Kawasaki, near Tokyo, Sunday.

TOKYO - Japan's conservative Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) surged back to power in an election on Sunday just three years after a devastating defeat, giving ex-Prime Minister Shinzo Abe a chance to push his hawkish security agenda and radical economic recipe.

Exit polls by television broadcasters showed the LDP winning nearly 300 seats in parliament's powerful 480-member lower house, while its ally, the small New Komeito party, looked set to win about 30 seats.

That would give the two parties the two-thirds majority needed to over-rule parliament's upper house, where no party has a majority and which can block bills, which should help to break a deadlock that has plagued the world's third biggest economy since 2007.

An LDP win will usher in a government committed to a tough stance in a territorial row with China, a pro-nuclear energy policy despite last year's Fukushima disaster and a potentially risky prescription for hyper-easy monetary policy and big fiscal spending to beat deflation and tame a strong yen.

Voters weary, confused as Japan looks set for 7th leadership change since 2006

Senior executives of the LDP and the New Komeito party met earlier to confirm they would form a coalition if they get a combined majority, Kyodo news agency reported.

"There's no doubt the LDP will team up with the New Komeito in the new government," LDP senior executive Yoshihide Suga told public broadcaster NHK.

Voters had expressed disappointment with Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda's Democratic Party of Japan (DPJ), which swept to power in 2009 promising to pay more heed to consumers than companies and reduce bureaucrats' control of policymaking

Exit polls showed the DPJ, which was hit by defections ahead of the vote, winning only 65 seats, just over a fifth of their tally in 2009. Party executive Kohei Otsuka told NHK Noda would likely have to quit over the defeat, in which several party heavyweights lost their seats.

Many voters had said the DPJ failed to meet its election pledges as it struggled to govern and cope with last year's huge earthquake, tsunami and nuclear disaster, and then pushed through an unpopular sales tax increase with LDP help.

Voter distaste for both major parties has spawned a clutch of new parties including the right-leaning Japan Restoration Party founded by popular Osaka Mayor Toru Hashimoto. A dozen parties fielded candidates, confusing many voters.

Exit polls showed Hashimoto's party picking up about 46 seats. That could make it a potential LDP partner if the New Komeito, which is more moderate on security issues than the LDP, decides later to change allies, some analysts said.

Shohei Miyano / Reuters

Election officers prepare to count votes at a ballot counting centre for the lower house election in Tokyo, Sunday.

LDP leader Abe, 58, who quit as premier in 2007 citing ill health after a troubled year in office, has been talking tough in a row with China over uninhabited isles in the East China Sea, although some experts say he may temper his hard line with pragmatism once in office.

The soft-spoken grandson of a prime minister, who would become Japan's seventh premier in six years, Abe also wants to loosen the limits of a 1947 pacifist constitution on the military, so Japan can play a bigger global security role.

Many economists say that prescription for "Abenomics" could create temporary growth and enable the government to go ahead with a planned initial sales tax rise in 2014 to help curb a public debt now twice the size of gross domestic product.

But it looks unlikely to cure deeper ills or bring sustainable growth, and risks triggering a market backlash if investors decide Japan has lost control of its finances.

Japan's economy has been stuck in the doldrums for decades, its population ageing fast and big corporate brands faltering, making "Japan Inc" a synonym for decline.

Consumer electronics firms such as Sony Corp are struggling with competition from foreign rivals and burdened by a strong yen, which makes their products cost more overseas. 

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Now if that isn't a pretty picture, Japanese couple on a bicycle, and everything so neat and clean! http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/121216-world-japan-elect-830a.photoblog600.jpg Not even the election posters on the fence are crooked (well, the one on the left could use a tweak).

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#1 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:49 AM EST

I love the way the conservative party's name is "Liberal Democratic Party". Their version of "conservative" is our center left. Anyway, Japan needs to make austerity cuts even more than Greece. Its national debt to gdp percentage is 229%.

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#1.1 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:00 AM EST

Perhaps the real reason that their economy is so lethargic is because of their huge Debt ratio. At 229% of GDP (larger than even Greece), the high cost of Interest expense that has to come from higher taxes sucks money out of consumer's pockets, leaving a lot less money for economic growth.

The same thing is happening in the U S, where the National Debt has increased by $6.4 Trillion (64%) in just the last 4 years. At the end of fiscal 2008 our National Debt was $9.986 Trillion (per Obama White House), but today it is $16.370 Trillion.

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#1.2 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:11 AM EST

Try again Flat Iron, go do a little research in stead of making stuff up. They are center right not center left and have been for the last 54 years. Their Liberal Democrat Party is the same our version of conservative. Propaganda only works on those to stupid to not go research information, do ignorance a favor and go spread it somewhere else.

Roy, do you have any clue what a Tsunami and melting Nuclear reactor do to an economy? Let alone all the "fun" Barney Frank and Chris Dodd did to the world economy (and blamed Bush for).

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#1.3 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:20 AM EST

and why did it increase ? in a effort to offset the damage done from 1980 till today. Now if the big corporations would stop with the greede we might beable to save the middle class.

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#1.4 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:21 AM EST

Of course our national dept keeps rising in the U.S. With so-called conservatives obstructing and sabotaging our recovery (hence, no tax income), our debt continues to rise - it's the "Destroy America for GOP control" syndrome with American conservatives can't seem to shed. They don't care that cooperating to get our economy running again will vastly improve our economic situation. Republicans had rather destroy our nation for fear that the credit for improvement and recovery will to to Obama and the Democrats - this' a dangerous and destructive game the Republicans play...

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#1.5 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:26 AM EST

it all happened for the same reason in every major nation. the china transition from socialism to capitalism created super duper investment opportunities. Every big entity, corporate or private, wanted a piece of the action. They created debt so they could put the money into Chinese and semi-Chinese companies. Now that companies like GM and companies we never heard of alike, have gotten their little piece of the new rock, now they are letting the economies come back into some normalcy. This whole thing was about the new territory of wealth. and in the end, we and our kids paid the price tag to make others richer, who already had enough wealth to last a thousand generations. If their is a god, the hidden rich will get whats coming to them. HELL

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#1.6 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:35 AM EST

RIDGELON: stop with the Rush and Hannity bologna. Barney can't spend in a life time what Bush spent in in his first four years. He gave his tax cuts for the reason I stated above, so his little buddies could invest in china. However I don't expect guys like you to put your hate filled emotions aside long enough to look at facts.

Funny how the economy is recovering under LIBERAL control. Funny how oil imports are down and new oil wells in america are up. yes, and we didn't have to pollute Alaska to do it. Funny how we are about to become the largest exporter of liquefied natural gas in the world. Darn that liberal energy policy, they never think of the poor arabs lol. The GDP keeps going up, unemployment receding, The Dow is over 13k from the Bush 8k. Weep weep and weep some more. just like under Clinton, Liberalism works here, and will in Japan too.

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#1.7 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:39 AM EST

Will ^5

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#1.8 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:41 AM EST

Does this mean a war with china or korea in near future? Just asking ..

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#1.9 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:52 AM EST

Ridgelon

Try again Flat Iron, go do a little research in stead of making stuff up. They are center right not center left and have been for the last 54 years. Their Liberal Democrat Party is the same our version of conservative. Propaganda only works on those to stupid to not go research information, do ignorance a favor and go spread it somewhere else.

Roy, do you have any clue what a Tsunami and melting Nuclear reactor do to an economy? Let alone all the "fun" Barney Frank and Chris Dodd did to the world economy (and blamed Bush for).

Gotta love it when libtards talk about doing research when they're completely clueless on the issue. Japan has been in enormous debt for many years. Try looking up the "Lost Decade" and its miserable failure at porkulus bailouts. Comparing Japan's relatvily center conservative party to the American Conservative party which actually leabased upon Libertarian conservatism furhter provies what an uninformed moron you are.

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#1.10 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:07 AM EST

Will...ever take a economics class? Spending is the problem. Can't say it more simple than that.

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#1.11 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:12 AM EST

George had how much of the 6.4 trillion went to Obama buddys? His lawsuites started the current depression, (they say it ended in 09 but you would not know it) He Fed is printing money like no tomorrow, and wants to print more. The problem is the middle class is tring to compete against the world market, where the other person makes 1/6 of what a US person makes, hard to compete against that. The Unions make it even harder. While the average union employee makes $3K more then the non union employee he has to pay out dues to the union, this eraceing that gain, so all the workers make the same only the governments and unions come out ahead. The only reason unemployment is going down is because people have given up looking for work.

Of course oil imports are down, More companies are out of business, people are driveing less, because of no jobs, more homes are abandoned, so less energy is used. The new well exporting are on privite land, the Government has not allowed companies to drill or explore on government land. So exports are up despite the government. While the DOW is at 13K it should be up much higher then that. The cost of most items have doubled and trippled in the last 4 years, (gas, food, etc) the market to keep pace should be at least 20K by now. It is inflated everytime a stimulas goes on, and the food prices then go up another 30%, at the same time, of course the worker gets no incease so they loose everytime. Funny how Germany and now Japan are turning consertive, after watching us go down the drain for the past 6 years.

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#1.12 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:22 AM EST

Shinzo the hawk is spreading his wings, is he? I wonder if Japan is about to get 'gravely serious' about defending those islands that they purchased?

Keep your eye on the navy: despite the US stance on keeping the Pacific "speaking quietly", things may be about to get very interesting....

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#1.13 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:22 AM EST

FlatIron72-7314662

Gotta love it when libtards talk about doing research when they're completely clueless on the issue. Japan has been in enormous debt for many years. Try looking up the "Lost Decade" and its miserable failure at porkulus bailouts. Comparing Japan's relatvily center conservative party to the American Conservative party which actually leabased upon Libertarian conservatism furhter provies what an uninformed moron you are.

Wow you cons just created a new definition for clueless! FlatIron, you were corrected by A CONSERVATIVE. HAHAHA too funny!! Cons calling each other 'libtards' and going on a rant... priceless.

And yes, that's CORRECTED, as in YOU WERE WRONG. Outside the US, 'liberal' parties are comparable to our 'ignorant conservative' party (which was the point made that you completely ignored).

So please, educate yourself. And work on that spelling of yours, because right now YOU are the one "furhter provies what an uninformed moron you are" (yes, those are your own words).

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#1.14 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:24 AM EST

ROY WILSON-336103

The same thing is happening in the U S, where the National Debt has increased by $6.4 Trillion (64%) in just the last 4 years. At the end of fiscal 2008 our National Debt was $9.986 Trillion (per Obama White House), but today it is $16.370 Trillion.

_________________________________________________

Good morning Roy,,,,,

,,,,,, good post and a valid comparison.

Lets not forget that on top of the declared $16.370 Trillion in debt, one must consider the trillions and trillions it will shortly cost to fund/save Social Security and Medicare. ( It would be wise to also consider the other $16 Trillion Dollars in secret loans that turned up in last Septembers audit of the "Federal Reserve.")

It would seem that a "fiscal cliff" is coming even if a temporary solution is achieved by our inept , non-functional government . Our out of control debt, like that of Japan, is simply not sustainable.

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#1.15 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:32 AM EST

This Japanese party sounds like a mix of conservative and liberal ideas to me. Big govt spending is definitely not conservative, while supporting nuclear power and standing up to China is. Cheap money and a weak currency could belong to either side. Be interesting to see if this mix works for them.

The rest of you "my side is better than your side" types: grow up. The real world is far more complicated than your partisan sound bites.

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#1.16 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:37 AM EST

I love the way the conservative party's name is "Liberal Democratic Party". Their version of "conservative" is our center left. Anyway, Japan needs to make austerity cuts even more than Greece. Its national debt to gdp percentage is 229%.

Just goes to show your historical ignorance of Japan's political history. At one time that party was liberal. Over time and Japan's inability to right the economic ship since the 1980s caused the part to shift as people's attitudes changed. "CHange", wow, what a concept!

The Democratic Party in this country wasn't always liberal. In fact, the were quite conservative. Yes, the Party of Jefferson was a very conservative party until the early 1900s.

History is a B!t@ch isn't it!

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#1.17 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:47 AM EST

Gotta love it when libtards talk about doing research when they're completely clueless on the issue.

Ridiculous. Liberals make up the vast majority of scientists and others whose lives are devoted to reasearch. Truly one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever read. And the fact that many cons consider "research" to be listening to uneducated pundits like Limbaugh and Beck makes it even more laughable.

As for Japan they hold almost as much of our debt as China. But do not confuse Japanese conservatism with the version here at home. Note this party is implementing tax increases, something American conservatives have pledged never to do. They at least have some semblance of sanity.

And if they want to pay directly for their own defense maybe it is a good time to consider that idea and cut them loose from our protection. Especially if they want to provoke the Chinese over islands that are little more than rocks. Sounds like they have neocons in their midst. Let them learn their lesson as we did in Iraq.

AND TO THE MODERATOR, WHY IS THIS POSTER CONTINUED ALLOWED TO USE THE TERM "LIBTARDS" ON NEWSVINE? I have reported his posts as inflammatory numerous times with no apparent action. Clearly a violation of the CofH.

And the Bottom Line! These TP's with their arrogant attitudes for which they have zero justification are the purveyors of little more than pessimism and negativity. Do not look to them for solutions. They have none. Their abilities pretty much dry up after the complaining ends. They have brought NOTHING positive to this country since they loosely organized to attack Obama prior to the '08 election.

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#1.18 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:53 AM EST

rick-2015926 "Now if the big corporations would stop with the greede we might beable to save the middle class."

Why do people think that corporations are somehow either 'moral', or 'immoral'?

They are neither - they are 'amoral' - they exist to make profits for those that invest in them, not to promote or disdain social issues. The decisions they make are intended to maximize the wealth of their shareholders - nothing more, and nothing less.

It's the government's responsibility to address social issues, not the corporations.

By the way - corporations should be viewed as mere conduits of economic growth, and under the economic truism that "When you tax something, you get less of it, and when you subsidize something, you get more of it", when we tax corporations, we get less economic growth and fewer jobs, and when we subsidize welfare, we get more of it - as recent history demonstrates. The correct way to tax the income from corporate profits is to tax them when they are distributed to the owners as dividends (which is what is currently done). When we tax both the corporate profits AND the remaining dividends, we are double taxing the same profits, thus discouraging investments and job creation.

The economic knowledge of the typical American voter is appalling.

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#1.19 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:57 AM EST

voxrationis "Liberals make up the vast majority of scientists and others whose lives are devoted to research."

That is very true - That's because researchers almost invariably work directly or indirectly for the government, so they obviously will promote policies (and research) that protect their own jobs.

That's a good reason to look at their 'research' results from a slightly skeptical perspective.

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#1.20 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:04 AM EST

DAWG POUND "The Democratic Party in this country wasn't always liberal. In fact, the were quite conservative."

Here's some interesting history;

The term 'Liberal' comes from the root word for Liberty, and a Classical Liberal is someone that believes in individual freedom and is 'liberated' from excessive control by a powerful central government (google 'Classical Liberal'). Now, the modern 'Liberal' is one that believes in a powerful central government that dictates rules to its citizens.

Conversely, a Classical Conservative in early America would have been someone that supported keeping Americans under the control of a strong central government (the British Monarchy), but now a Conservative is someone that believes in self reliance and in minimizing the role of government in our lives.

So Right is now Left, and Left is now Right. Go figure.

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#1.21 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:14 AM EST

...." a deadlock that has plagued the world's third biggest economy since 2007.".... Time and again, the US economy and politics echo Japan's. Remember the "Buy American" furor in 1980, as their economy was "hot", and ours was not? The "Jap" references, the anger over their real estate purchases in the US? Back in Ohio, some factory workers with Japanese made cars had to be careful not to park it remotely - they were getting vandalized. There are differences culturally, like the Japanese tend to save at least 10% of their annual incomes - while their standard of living was about 70% of ours - but that was their "normal". The US sense of nationalism - that gives rise to arrogance and bigotry - is second to that of the Japanese, for example one study showed only about 10% of Japanese would be interested in having friends from another country.
As Japan's economy has languished in "stagnation", with their youth coming out of colleges called "the lost generation" - still at home, underemployed - deja vu all over again here. Unless the dummies we call "Congress" can compromise and move us forward. We'll find out soon enough.

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#1.22 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:14 AM EST

Maybe we should swap governments with Japan, it couldn't be any worse than what we have.

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#1.23 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:24 AM EST

ROY WILSON-336103,

The same thing is happening here?!! How deranged have US conservatives gotten when they get themselves to believe that 64% is roughly equal to 224%. Even 3rd-grade math doesn't work on you folks anymore!

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#1.24 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:45 AM EST

@ ROY WILSON-336103 post #1.20

Glad you admit most scientists and teachers are liberals. It's because they work for the government? Naaa, it's because conservatives are clumped into the useless positions of investment, real estate, and management where nothing is actually produced. Really, the only people who actually do anything in this country are engineers, scientists, teachers, and low-wage workers. Wealthy management classes are useless vestiges. Their main function is to bull@!$%# each other and everyone else. They spend most of there time golfing and eating expensive lunches when they're not supporting Republicans who make it easier for them to drink and golf while the rest of us actually work.

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#1.25 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:49 AM EST

@Flatiron...this party is actually center-right. Their stance on social issues are liberal but their views on finance and free-market economy is conservative.

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#1.26 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:05 PM EST

Voters had expressed disappointment with Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda's Democratic Party of Japan (DPJ), which swept to power in 2009 promising to pay more heed to consumers than companies and reduce bureaucrats' control of policymaking

I wish Americans would have been as smart as the Japanese.

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#1.27 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:18 PM EST

The Japanese must be laughing their arses off.

First, the Article is about Japan, NOT the US.

Second, the Japanese seem to know more about the US than the majority of US Voters. As the Japanese are now demanding RESULTS not lame EXCUSES.

US:

Voters
Politicians manipulate voters every day with half-truths -- or outright lies -- about taxes, spending and many other issues that directly affect the nation's prosperity.

Too many voters embrace feel-good propaganda that they want to hear instead of learning the basic facts about issues they care about. They should do a better job of calling out dishonest politicians -- and shunning media outlets that stoke political food fights.

http://money.msn.com/investing/11-things-wrong-with-congress

Examples:

voxrationis - Liberals make up the vast majority of scientists and others whose lives are devoted to reasearch.

Try again, the current US Scientists (same with the British Scientists) are what or whoever will Fund them.

voxrationis - And if they want to pay directly for their own defense

Give percentages or amounts that the Japanese do not pay for, and who does pay. Why do you think most Japanese and Okinawans want the US Military Bases OUT of Japan and Okinawa. Why do you think during the 1990s the Germans wanted US Military Bases OUT of Germany.

Also did you forget about the Unconditional Surrender of the Japanese after World War II and the Limitations placed on Japan, Germany, etc. by the US after WWII.

Then there is the current US Status Of Forces Agreements.

rick-2015926 - and why did it increase ? in a effort to offset the damage done from 1980 till today. Now if the big corporations would stop with the greede we might beable to save the middle class.

Rah, rah, rah, Propaganda and blame game rick-2015926. Who do the Corporations work for based on where the majority of the Corporations Profits are spent on.

At least the Japanese are not stup!d enough to Demoncrap as usual Demonize their own Life's Blood and chase them out of Japan, like the US, Greece, Portugal, Spain, Britain, and recently France. Keep on repeating the documented FAILURES of History and expect different Results. And you apparently do not even know what those Historically Documented Failures were do you rick-2015926, clearly President Obama's Action indicate that he does not know either.

Gabriel-1934044 - Will...ever take a economics class? Spending is the problem. Can't say it more simple than that.

US Federal Spending:

60% Entitlements

20% Defense

13% Discretionary Spending

7% Interest (like Loans from China).

The "Fiscal Cliff" is basically the waitress showing up with the bill for the meal President Obama ate, and now he is looking around for everyone else to pay.

President Obama (President's Proposal to US Congress) demanded spending of $2.1 Trillion that was previously not budgeted for and then (President's Proposal of Automatic Sequestration to US Congress) demanded "Across The Board" Budget Cuts to previously budgeted for Programs (like Medicare, etc.), Projects (like Longterm US Infrastructure Projects of the US Army Corps of Engineers), Agencies (like FEMA, Veteran's Affairs, Department of Education, etc.), including chopping the Benefits and Entitlements of the "47%" (actual 49%).

Most of the uninformed and uneducated don't even know what President Obama spent $2.1 Trillion on, as by Reelecting President Obama they gave him a "Mandate" saying that spending the $2.1 Trillion that was not previously budgeted for was what the majority wanted, making Cutting President Obama spending of $2.1 Trillion untouchable.

The most ridiculousthing is that many Foreign News Sources (like BBC, Le Monde, Zeitung, Fars, RTS, etc.) have discussed the above in detail, including here at Afghanistan.

Obama's Lemmings jumping off President Obama's created (Automatic Sequestration) "Fiscal Cliff" while on the Road to Greece (President Obama's Campaign Promises of Give Aways and Freebees.).

Will4203 - Of course our national dept keeps rising in the U.S. With so-called conservatives obstructing and sabotaging our recovery (hence, no tax income), our debt continues to rise

Go ahead and call President Obama a Liar, his 2012 State of the Union Address, his Demands as President's Proposals to US Congress, and especially his previous actions to circumvent US Congress "The Will of the People" (what you call "Obstructionist"):

Keep clicking "Next", read all of them (Actions done mostly done without anyone's approval that cost money), the "Classified" Executive Orders pertaining to President Obama's Secret Wars are not listed:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions

Do you know what President Obama keeps saying that sabotages the US Economy as Historically Documented as a Cause. Well, clearly President Obama does not know either, just keeps on stating that as his Policy. If President Obama keeps on doing that based on being Reelected giving him a "mandate" that he is correct, even one of his primary supporters and unlimited corporate campaign contributors like GE will move their Headquarters to Zug Switzerland just to get away from President Obama's stated Policy.

voxrationis,

Hypocrite:

Under President Bush, Demoncraps: Dubya, Ret*rd, Traitor, Criminal, etc..

Under President Obama, Demoncraps: News Media "Dising" President by using "Mr." instead of President.

Like how it is condoned if the Demoncraps disrespect, Demonize, name calling, etc. and have NAZI Zero Tolerance for the same treatment of Demoncraps by others. Play the Race Card, yet start screaming Black man, hate, looks and sounds like a President (appearance not performance (Results)), etc. while not considering FAILED Actions as the actual criticisms.

Want some free government cheese with that whine. I promise I will not cream cheese in your mouth, promise (like all Politicians promise, ok, I creamed on your blue dress. "I did not have sexual relations with that woman").

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#1.28 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:24 PM EST

Corporations are legal shields that hide the people who actually own them and are also hidden under a "foundation " name. They are not "A" moral. They contain the morals or lack there of, of the foundation family that owns them. People of that class are taught from very young that they are genetically superior to the masses. When Donald Trump was asked "to what do you credit your wealth?". instead of saying a rich father and good teaching, he said "genetics" . people like this see you as something to use and work around. weather it be Rockefeller or Morgan or DuPont etc. you are the under privileged and they are the real people. Like Barbara Bush said, when asked what she thought of all those people being sheltered in a new Orleans stadium, "this is doing quite nicely for them, after all, they are the under privileged". This is their true belief. So if your looking for some benevolence from corporations, all i have to say is "LOL"

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#1.29 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:31 PM EST

David, your numbers are from some other planet. That is not even close to what our budget looks like.

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#1.30 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:33 PM EST

i just checked three sources, so called "entitlements " are about 12% Military over 50% , but don't let the facts get in your way. just keep spreading the hate. it's what you do best.

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#1.31 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:40 PM EST

george pauljohn,

Clearly you don't have those "genetics" as in the intelligence to make Successful Individual Choices. Based on your baloney post#1.30 without any numbers to dispute my documented facts:

george pauljohn - David, your numbers are from some other planet. That is not even close to what our budget looks like.

PROVE IT. POST YOUR OWN NUMBERS FROM YOUR OWN RESEARCH.

george pauljohn - i just checked three sources, so called "entitlements " are about 12% Military over 50%

Yep, Again, I just checked and you are pulling Bullsh!t out of your arse. You don't even know what the categories of the Entitlements are that I listed as 60%. Hint: That is NON US Military Related.

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#1.32 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:42 PM EST

dawg once upon atime the republicans supported the working class.they passed tariffs to protect organized labors bargaining position.they supported a 20 percent tariff.this creates jobs for a developed country.seeing this they thought a 60 percent tariff would create more.this was a mistake.even now germany has a 19 percent tariff on all imported manufactured goods made outside the euro zone.its why germany remains an economic power house and why our countries manufacturing continues its exodus.we have free trade.free trade works between countries with a similiar standard of living and is a dismal failure between a developed country and a third world country.manufacturing is the creation of material wealth.the more a country has the more prosperious and powerful it is

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#1.33 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:58 PM EST

We have followed Japan's cycle almost exactly from economic boom, to stock market boom, to stock market crash, to lowering the interest rates too low for too long, to housing bubble, to sliding sideways in the economy. Many people saw this at the point of excessive low interest rates after the stock market crash, but not one listened to put the brakes on and Alan Greenspan was asleep at the wheel, later admitting there was not much he could do and did not know the extent of the S&L crises he was feeding. So we have repeated Japan almost exactly but have accelerated the effects with spending on war and stimulus packages.

We have now swung far left to and demonized the businesses that once gave us prosperity because they have now taken their money and jobs somewhere else and created prosperity overseas. A few years of liberal left here in the US and as the slide will still continue, because the companies are gone and we realize we no longer have a tax base...will we again follow Japan and swing to to far to the right?

Disclaimer: I am an independent voter and believe both parties ideals are obsolete for the global economy of the 21st century. We need to throw out congress and replace with a MODERATE THIRD PARTY badly.

  • 2 votes
#1.34 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:20 PM EST

Let's see,

Will4203

Of course our national dept keeps rising in the U.S. With so-called conservatives obstructing and sabotaging our recovery (hence, no tax income), our debt continues to rise - it's the "Destroy America for GOP control" syndrome with American conservatives can't seem to shed. So how many people are working so they can pay taxes? Right now there isn't enough people working for the Feds to bring in enough income. So the democrats want to tax more and spend more. A fifth grader could figure where this is going!

  • 3 votes
#1.35 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:24 PM EST

blubal42 you are way off...

You are right in saying that there are not enough people working to generate income. That's because the boogyman rich are the companies which are not coming back. You can take all the money right now from anyone left behind (trapped here in the US, like small business and middle and upper middle class) and it will not keep the federal government running for a year much less pay off the national debt. In 1929 you could have done the same thing and paid off the national debt, but now it will not even run the Fed Gov for a year.

The dems have done nothing to fix this problem nor has the GOP.

You can wine all you want and cry "tax that guy because he has money so he must be to blame) but I want an answer: HOW DO YOU PROPOSE TO BRING THESE BUSINESSES BACK AND STIMULATE NEW BUSINESSES and CURB FEDERAL SPENDING?

BTW I agree that we should raise the personal income taxes and capital gains taxes, but that will not save us. (I disagree with the GOP stand on this part)

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#1.36 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:47 PM EST

I agree with Glen. We need a moderate third party. You only have to look at the other posts to see how much each of the mainstream sides has let us down.

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#1.37 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:08 PM EST

There is a lot of back and forth here but looking at history it seems many governments take the on ramp to the road to ruin. It's even been warned about by our founding fathers.

A government becomes large and powerful enough that it decides it knows better than it's citizens, so it begins to interfere and "do things for people". Politicians realize there are votes to be had by handing out goodies. Once this starts there is no stopping it, more and more is promised until promises far outstrip any stretch of reality.

We are at that place now. Roy is right, we ARE like Japan. Are we at 229% GDP? Of course not but make no mistake, that is the direction we are headed. Since no amount of taxes will fix this, by definition it is a spending problem.

You can't dump this on the rich for two reasons, one there simply aren't enough of them, two they can just up and leave taking their money with them, (thousands a year are already doing it).

The problem is, while you can get a few big paydays from tapping the rich, the sheer number of middle class means that is where the money is. Therefore when you talk tax hikes, many rich will just leave and those that remain won't pay much in real numbers, the poor won't pay anything. That leaves guess who.

What happens when you tap the middle class with tax hikes? Recession. Remember how democrats were vehemently against the Bush tax cuts? Now they are demanding they be renewed.

So here's where we are, tax hikes will likely cause a recession, entitlement cuts could also cause a recession, doing nothing will guarantee our countries slow death as we bleed out and eventually we WILL get to 229%.

Bernake can not hold interest rates forever, sooner rather than later that will blow up in our faces. When it does, that 229% could be wishful thinking. If I had to guess, the reason Bernake said he would not serve a 3rd term in 2014 is he doesn't want to be the one holding the bag when $hit hits the fan.

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#1.38 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:45 PM EST

That is very true - That's because researchers almost invariably work directly or indirectly for the government, so they obviously will promote policies (and research) that protect their own jobs.

The idiocy never stops. One of the single most inane comments I have seen on Newsvine. And it found support. LOL! Most researchers work for hospitals and universities. Truly evil places! (SARC).

We know which side to which the skeptics and cynics in our society belong. Throw out a ridiculous conspiracy theory backed by absolutely zero proof and they feed on it like raw meat.

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#1.39 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:57 PM EST

Uncontrolled spending, borrowing, spending was/is the problem, that leads to more and higher interest sooner or later, now sooner in Japan, How long b4 that hits us? Anyone that thinks our government spending will solve our economic crisis is not thinking straight...in real life it just does not work...but does in the government delusion world for a time but it will come to an end.

    #1.40 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:50 PM EST

    David-45776 or whatever the heck it is. All you have to do is type "U.S. Budget" into your google search bar, and we can find how wrong your statistics are. The statistics you're quoting account for "Less than 1% of the federal budget that is allocated to foreign countries." The "entitlement spending" percent you quote is mostly for countries suffering through natural disasters or that are in desperate need of foreign assistance. 20% (For defense spending, again out of 1% of our entire budget) is the amount of money we export to other countries to assist in their own defense, and so on and so fourth. Our ACTUAL budget (All you really have to do is look at the pie charts on google images) show 58%, give or take a few points, on military spending, 14% for "entitlement spending," about 13% for education, research, and development. 2% for transportation. The rest goes to administration of justice, and other random affairs. Here's some food for thought, David. We outspend our 10 closest competing countries in terms of military spending. It's a known, undisputed fact. If your statistics are correct, then that would put us at spending around 250 billion a year on the military, barely enough to top Russia and China, which are our next TWO closets competitors.

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    #1.41 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:15 PM EST

    Facto and george, here's your pie chart:

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:U.S._Federal_Spending_-_FY_2010.svg

    david was much closer than you.

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    #1.42 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:05 PM EST

    I did google "US budget": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:U.S._Federal_Spending_-_FY_2011.png

    19% DoD

    20% SS

    23% Medicare/Medicaid (which really should be broken out separately as Medicaid is a distinctly separate program)

    That makes for roughly twice as much spent on entitlements over defense, which is still too much for defense if you ask me, but at least use the correct numbers.

      #1.43 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:45 PM EST

      I don't know if US support to Japan over some meaningless islands is going to benefit or hurt us. After all Japan was the defeated in WWII, so I don't know if Japan is supposed to give up all occupied territories. .

      Japan the third largest economy, just like the US (the largest economy), has more and more relied on China (the 2nd largest economy), Chinese market and cheap labor in the last couple of decades.

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      #1.44 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:36 PM EST

      Roy, the Japanese got there because

      1) government supplementing industries to dump products in other countries since 1980. They borrowed to do this.

      2) endless government "investments" in domestic programs that the increases outstripped Revenues.

      3) Then the Japanese went through a decade of stimulus packages that didn't stimulate anything but the national debt.

      The voter anger is the results of a two party system that both policies basically were the same except one party did more than the other.

        #1.45 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:36 PM EST

        John Paul George...george johnpaul or what ever

        Military over 50%

        Where did you get your number? Please list your source. Try 19% defense spending.

          #1.46 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:43 PM EST

          yeah, Japanese govt debt is more than 200% of the GDP, but super majority of the debt is owned by Japanese individuals and corporations .... the country has had a long tradition, more traditional than the US, thus more 'socialist', to use the conservative term.

          .

          American debt is about 80% (to 100%?) of the GDP, if I remember it correctly, about half foreign owned, the other half domestically owned. This half-half divide is very recent, very recent. US used to have most of our debt domestically owned as well.

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          #1.47 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:44 PM EST

          This is iditiotic. These people are NOT conservatives: "hyper-easy monetary policy and big fiscal spending"? With the intent to "raise the sales tax in 2014"? How, in any way shape and form is that conservative? Words mean things. At least they used to, at NBC News

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          #1.48 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:08 PM EST

          Eventually everyone turns to conservatism. It is the natural order of civilized societies.

          What I find disturbing this evening? Our inept racist-in-chief is interupting the normal broadcasting (which I seldom watch) to spew his bullsp1t on the tragedy of Newtown. F**k the Poser.

          I can't wait to witness his faux tears again.

          He can't even get the first sentence of his " heartfelt" benediction withouit reading it from a note card. Loser. Order the bombing of innocent families and leave the compassion to those who know what it means.

            #1.49 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:36 PM EST

            Ten to one the wannabe tyrant-in-chief tries to use this tragedy as an attempt to steal our rights from us.

            Waiting...

              #1.50 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:44 PM EST
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              I know very little about Japanese Politics but it seems that massive Government Stimulus and easy money are a recipe we are all to familiar with, and it works great! *sarcasm*

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              Reply#2 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:51 AM EST

              Actually it is the ONLY thing that works well. They are in the unenviable position of having to beat deflation and weaken the Yen. The only way I know to do it is pump currency into the economy, get interest rates as low as possible and create a controllable 2% inflation rate.

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              #2.1 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:10 AM EST

              Noone will argue with the FACTS you just posted.

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              #2.2 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:29 AM EST

              I should have posted noone is stupid enough to argue with FACTS! So they just ignore it and keep post nosense.

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              #2.3 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:38 AM EST

              I've been unimpressed with the results of big govt spending and cheap money so far. It seems to me robust competition in the marketplace is the best engine for economic growth. Fix business and you fix everything else; everyone has more money to spend on taxes, health care, and all those other niceties of our society like SS and Medicare. It really is all about jobs.

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              #2.4 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:41 AM EST

              AG99-You can't really have any robust competition in the economy unless you end the continual merger and aquisition atmosphere which permeates it. Companies are meant to invest their capital into their own ideas rather than just buy another ones. Therefore eliminating research and development costs.

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              #2.5 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:40 AM EST

              Yes, I've wondered what happened to the monopoly laws. Seems everything is too big to fail these days.

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              #2.6 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:12 PM EST

              No, stimulus is NOT working. All we are doing is borrowing our economy from the prosperity of future generations. Again look at Japan, they've been on a downward spiral for decades despite massive spending.

              To reitierate, we went from stimulus to QE1, to QE2 to QE3 to operation twist. We started out with Bernake printing money to temporarily buy our debt, he has since announced he will do this indefinitely. No economy in the history of the planet has survived this.

              All stimulus does is dig the hole deeper. If it worked it could be removed and the economy could continue. The fact that Bernake has basically gone into panic mode proves our recovery is an illusion.

              I know liberals will just come back with "we just haven't spent enough!" So $6 trillion isn't enough? What is! Obama has already admitted he will go $4 trillion more in debt yet all accounts say growth will continue to be anemic, unemployment will continue to be high.

              In other words, like Japan, it is NOT working.

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              #2.7 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:04 PM EST

              sdc.clark

              The only way I know to do it is pump currency into the economy, get interest rates as low as possible and create a controllable 2% inflation rate.

              Pumping currency into the economy and keeping inflation low are mutually exclusive. The Weimar Republic tried it in Germany, and the result was housewives taking wheelbarrow loads of worthless currency to the grocery store.

                #2.8 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:42 PM EST
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                a country with so much technology ?????? and they use boxes and paper to cast their ballot...what happened to computers...

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                Reply#3 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:02 AM EST

                Look at the last election, 140% voting, 100% voting Obama first is mathematically impossible, second is statistically impossible. I would trust a paper ballot more than the voting machines we use, you can't hack the program.

                Here's a programmer testifying under oath about how easy it is to fix a voting machine and no one would know anything about it.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=u2LwnmbdiTg

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                #3.1 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:13 AM EST

                Ridgelon is on the wrong vine; this is not Faux News so take your hate filled propaganda and go back to Faux. Election is over, if you don't have anything positive to contribute, then hide until 2016.

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                #3.2 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:00 AM EST

                george -

                No wonder you're so 'lonesome', who would want to go out with anyone so intent on living in a fantasy world?

                Neither Detroit nor Chicago bothered to purge their voter rolls of the dead, and it is well known that the dead still vote in those cities and they always vote democrat.

                By the way, how do you explain absolutely no votes for Romney in several inner city precincts in places like Cleveland and Ohio? Personally, that information reeks of voter fraud, but we all know that Holder and Obama will not investigate into why that could have happened.

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                #3.3 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:17 AM EST

                140% voting? What? Where?

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                #3.4 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:46 AM EST

                Just a thought. Didn't one of Romney's boys own a large amount of shares in the company that supplied voting machines in almost all the battle ground states. I honestly remember reading about it a few times. Can some one shed some light on this.

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                #3.5 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:53 AM EST

                DieBold. it's the company that helped bush win in Ohio. Many Conservative own stock in it. it's their ace in the hole. it failed this last election cause way too many people went with Obama to fake the results. it only works in a close race

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                #3.6 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:44 PM EST

                carlson, you're absolutely right. There were voting machines that got removed in PA after numerous voters complained that they voted for Obama but the screen would show Romney once they press the enter tab. Voting officials were called to investigate and found the complaints to be valid thus removed those machines. I don't see that on reported on Faux News.

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                #3.7 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:54 PM EST

                We have followed Japan's cycle almost exactly from economic boom, to stock market boom, to stock market crash, to lowering the interest rates too low for too long, to housing bubble, to sliding sideways in the economy. Many people saw this at the point of excessive low interest rates after the stock market crash, but not one listened to put the brakes on and Alan Greenspan was asleep at the wheel, later admitting there was not much he could do and did not know the extent of the S&L crises he was feeding. So we have repeated Japan almost exactly but have accelerated the effects with spending on war and stimulus packages.

                We have now swung far left to and demonized the businesses that once gave us prosperity because they have now taken their money and jobs somewhere else and created prosperity overseas. A few years of liberal left here in the US and as the slide will still continue, because the companies are gone and we realize we no longer have a tax base...will we again follow Japan and swing to to far to the right?

                Disclaimer: I am an independent voter and believe both parties ideals are obsolete for the global economy of the 21st century. We need to throw out congress and replace with a MODERATE THIRD PARTY badly.

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                #3.8 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:25 PM EST
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                America will get sick of the lies once they get 4 more years of failure, then the conservatives will bring this country back simply by balancing a budget. We will stop spending more than we make, something the Dems can't get their head around that if you spend more than you make you should cut spending not take more wealth out of the economy. It's an up hill battle because they have control of the media that does nothing but demonize any conservative and cover the lies and failures of the Dems with propaganda.

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                #4 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:06 AM EST

                It really gets tiring living among ignorance. If you have a balanced budget, and cut your income and increase your spending most first graders can forecast the future. When we did exactly that in 2002 remember Cheney "Deficits don't matter"? Those laws were passed using the "Congressional Reconciliation procedures.

                Pull it out of your rectum and open your eyes to some truth.

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                #4.1 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:17 AM EST

                I would argue that both the left and right have done a pretty good job at screwing up this country. It is time for a balanced party to take control in this country. Then and only then will we get things back in line.

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                #4.2 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:17 AM EST

                when was the last time you seen the Republican Party being Responsible with the debt??

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                #4.3 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:24 AM EST

                None is the last 40 or more years! They all had deficit spending!

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                #4.4 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:26 AM EST

                Dwight Eisenhower was last Republican President to preside over a balanced budget. He had a balanced budget in 1956 and 1957.

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                #4.5 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:30 AM EST

                Conservative poppycock! He's the real story:

                Of course our national dept keeps rising in the U.S. With so-called conservatives obstructing and sabotaging our recovery (hence, no tax income), our debt continues to rise - it's the "Destroy America for GOP control" syndrome which American conservatives can't seem to shed. They don't care that cooperating to get our economy running again will vastly improve our economic situation. Republicans had rather destroy our nation for fear that the credit for improvement and recovery will to to Obama and the Democrats - this' a dangerous and destructive game the Republicans play...

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                #4.6 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:30 AM EST

                Clinton was the last Democrat for a year also to have a balanced budget.

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                #4.7 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:34 AM EST

                I agree, I too am tired of living in ignorance, the ignorance of this nation and it's gullibility to the left's propaganda is sickining. Clark, you are stupid, can you run ANYTHING where you spend more than you make? A quote from a book written by someone who didn't like him? Seriously that's all you got? Oh by the way I never said ANYTHING about increasing spending I said to STOP SPENDING MORE THAN WE MAKE!!!!! Just like a lib to add things to make their propaganda seem valid.

                Well, there's this guy in Washington that IS spending OVER 1 trillion dollars a year OVER BUDGET right now and wants more.

                You need to take a class on economy and history, the cuts on capital gains tax has ALWAYS created more income for the government, increasing the that tax decrease income for the government, of course the media has you duped into believing that a tax cut on capital gains is a "Tax cut for the rich" anyone can make capital gains, anyone. Spend more than you make and you go broke, you libs can't twist that around.

                "Clinton was the last Democrat for a year also to have a balanced budget." and just how did that happen, his name is Newt Gingrich if you don't know. With out him and the republicans forcing Clinton to have a balanced budget he would have been in a deficit every year. Sad how fast you people forget history or just ignore selective facts to make Dems look good.

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                #4.8 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:44 AM EST

                Ridgelon I would agree with the capitol gains argument but you must also realize that we slit our throat with the tax cuts Bush passed during a time of war. What the last four years has done is make that worse. When an economy is humming along that is the time for slightly higher taxes and less spending. This creates a balance or surplus in the budget for times of war. But when the economy is in the slumps spending via tax cuts and stimulus help stop the free fall and start a recovery. When you take away a surplus and then go to war you put yourself into a hole. This is what has happened in the last decade.

                Had we kept the surplus rates when we went to war the debt accumulation would have been less allowing for more room to work when the recession hit. This would probably had us at about the 10 trillion rage right now instead of 16+. Then when the economy got steamrolling again we cut the spending and up the taxes back to the previous mark and pay down the accrued debt. As we sit now we are having to start the cutbacks before the full recovery which will make it stagnant and probably cost us 3-4 years of the recovered economy that will eventually come.

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                #4.9 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:56 AM EST

                Why is it that the people on the left and right always seem to look at things differently depending on how it makes them look. For example if a dem is president and congress is controlled by gop and the economy is good it is because of congress but if the economy is crap it is because of the dem president. The same thing happens if gop president and dem congress. Both sides do this and it drives me nuts.

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                #4.10 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:00 AM EST

                Of course Republicans shouldn't cooperate with the obama admisistration and reid congress, they are spending us into the poor house.

                Will increasing spending is not the answer, it is the problem. If you are trying to destroy the country I will be fighting you all the way. If I ran the type of finances the government does, I would be thrown in prison, so fast. People complain about the Rich, but look at what they left us, they built the industry that made this county great. We still have community centers and other buildings that they left. The government tells us that we must spend more on bridges and roads, but we already pay gas taxes for that. Governent can waist money with no problems because they can always tax or print more. Business can not do either, they can only pass on the taxes, or the costs, but if too much they go out of business.

                Clinton had a Republican Congress controlling the budget money. Not to mention a dot com bubble that helped projections. Bush had a Pelosi/Reid Congress spending more then what was good for the country, that was the major reason the Debt went up the last 2 years. They also created the Housing bubble, which lead to the crash.

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                #4.11 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:35 AM EST

                I would argue that NAFTA and unbalanced trade agreements with China did more to hurt the economy then the housing bubble. The housing bubble would have been much smaller had not so many jobs been outsourced.

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                #4.12 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:46 AM EST

                Revenues went up, way up, after the last tax cuts. There is no way to see them in a bad light. At least unless you are a liberal who wants taxation to "level the playing field" in a confiscatory way.

                I cant believe how many people out there are so ill-informed and weak to buy the load of BS that the media and the DNC has been pushing about the tax cuts. Sheeple.

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                #4.13 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:50 AM EST

                Ridgelon? are the paranoid people out to get you?

                Fun facts: the dow is now over 13k was 8k under Bush.

                we are producing more oil right here in America then ever before, and we didn't have to pollute Alaska to do it.

                We are positioned to be the Worlds largest exporter of liquefied natural gas within 24 months or so. (dam liberal energy policy, darn that Al Gore too. lol)

                Gdp is climbing up

                unemployment is slowly receding.

                here comes the sun do do do here comes the sun, little darlin, i see the ice is slowly melting little darlin, it's been so long since it's been clear, here comes the sun ,,,,,,,,,,,,, (Beatles song, i just love it)

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                #4.14 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:54 PM EST

                I can't believe that the ill-informed people, are calling me "ill-informed" lol To troll or not to troll, that is the question. or do these people actually believe their own lies?

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                #4.15 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:03 PM EST

                ill informed is your middle name. Exactly what caused the recession? A housing bubble. What caused the bubble? Liberal ideals that red lining is forbidden, that the affordable housing act was a good idea, that home ownership is a right, as Barney Frank put it.

                Bush in fact went before congress on three occasions to ask them to reign in the banks, but he was thwarted by Frank and Dodd, both of whom got "VIP" loans from the very banks they were regulating. Who was in charge of Freddy and Fanny before and during the crash? Progressives, one even worked on Obama's campaign.

                Democrats inherited a booming economy and 4.6% unemployment when they took over congress, Obama inherited the mess than his party created.

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                #4.16 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:32 PM EST

                AGEING ECONOMY MEANS = TOO FEW BABIES.

                CIA 2012 TFR (Total Fertility Rate) Estimate is 1.29 (or 129 children born to every 100 women, on average, or every 200 men and women per lifetime). 211 to 213 is what would be needed just for exact replacement. And given the severe sub-replacement birth rates of MANY DECADES, Japan needs SUPER BREEDER SIZE FAMILIES, which their culture seems ill prepared or inclined to encourage and/or accommodate.

                JAPAN is GOING OUT OF BUSINESS - Pure and Simple.

                Last week it was reported in the news that Japan now makes and sells more diapers for adults (seniors, of course, primarily) than for BABIES!

                I would tell them to put together some TAX DISINCENTIVE for SMALL FAMILIES.

                Also, I would HEAVILY TAX SEXUAL SERVICES as well as ALL FORMS OF PORNOGRAPHY.

                These kill the family. Marriage and Marital Fidelity is what is needed.

                Of course, the Japanese are too proud to do this. That is why Japan will CEASE TO EXIST in the not too far distant future.

                My bet is is that China will invade them, the US will not adequately support them militarily (it can't), and they will be under China's thumb for decades, if not centuries (or forever).

                Women need to get married in their late teens or early 20's, have an average of 6 to 8 children each, and be 'stay at home' mothers. This is the ONLY way they can recover!

                Money is not what they need, anywhere near as much as it is YOUNG PEOPLE! And to get LOTS of young people, they need to have LOTS OF BABIES!

                  #4.17 - Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:20 AM EST

                  Oh, and to have LOTS of babies, they need to do all they can to increase and improve and encourage marital fidelity.

                  Also, the Japanese need to alter their culture enough to make weddings so much less the financial back breakers that they are. Children need to replace monetary wealth or business prestige with the number of posterity a family has.

                    #4.18 - Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:24 AM EST
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                    Imagine the state of their economy if they were suddenly required to start paying for their own military protection, rather than having the broke USA doing it for them.

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                    Reply#5 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:07 AM EST

                    Same could be said for most of Europe.

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                    #5.1 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:15 AM EST

                    Japan will soon find out what they voted for. Their post-WWII generation knows nothing of their past military imperialism. This is the fallout of writing your own history textbook. TX has been doing that and many more southern states will soon re-write their version of the Civil War.

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                    #5.2 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:12 AM EST

                    What? Japan has one of the most advanced military in the world. And they don't need protection from us. Our base there is solely for our benefit (i.e. keeping China from taking over the western Pacific/Indian Ocean). Same thing with South Korea - they don't need our help defending against the North (they have about 600k modernized standing troops & vastly outnumbers/outpowers North in ships, tanks, planes). Our bases are there purely to keep China in check.

                    • 4 votes
                    #5.3 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:02 AM EST
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                    The liberal bias of this site is no more evident than in the first paragraph of this article. "hawkish security agenda and radical economic recipe"

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                    Reply#6 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:15 AM EST

                    Oh really?? Consider two Republican wars and the cost of those wars kept off the books so the Republican rampant debt would look slightly less than it really was. Conservatism has been (and still is) the biggest fraud ever imposed on the American people and the United States...

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                    #6.1 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:35 AM EST

                    Yes and FDR (remember lend/lease?) eraced those debts. Kennedy, Johnson, Nixion did the same for Vietnam, and for the rest of the wars. We are still in those wars, but the only thing that has changed is No more body bag counts, and no mention of them every night news broadcasts. It is funny how liberals see the fault in concertives, but don't see the bigger faults in thier own party.

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                    #6.2 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:45 AM EST

                    Are you saying the Republican/Conservative obstruction and sabotage of our recovery is justified??? I think it's more like right wing treason..

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                    #6.3 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:35 AM EST

                    Will4203 - Oh really?? Consider two Republican wars and the cost of those wars kept off the books so the Republican rampant debt would look slightly less than it really was.

                    Oh, really, who was in control of the US Congress (Purse Strings) in the Last Two Years of President Bush.

                    Afghanistan and Iraq were UN Mission, Nation Building.

                    Iraq: Was to accomplish President Clinton's US Law, H.R.4655 "Iraqis Liberation Act of 1998" Justification Section 2 WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION, Section 3 US Policy Overthrow of President Hussein, with US Congressional Appropriations, as amended to allow the US Military Use of Force to Overthrow President Hussein (the counterbalance to the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran); with President Clinton's as Commander In Chief Failed Attempt as 1998 Operation Desert Fox, resulting in the over 1.5 Billion Islamic Believers Worldwide condemning the US as the Great Satan.

                    Afghanistan: Did you forget the 9/11 2001 Attacks that were made possible due to President Clinton's Gutting of the US Intelligence Agencies that left the US Blind and Deaf to the Events leading up to the 9/11 Attacks according to the Bipartisan US Congressional 9/11 Commission (Committee) Investigations, Findings and Recommendations; with former President Clinton saying, "I'm a so sorry".

                    And President Clinton refused offered extradiction of Osama Bin Laden after the 1993 First World Trade Center Bombing. President Clinton refused to provide US Ally Saudi Arabia with Evidence of Osama Bin Laden's involvement, so without sufficient evidence they had to release Osama Bin Laden, no matter how much they wanted to prosecute someone sworn to overthrow the US Ally Saudi Arabian Government. The USNSWDG had numerous opportunities to Terminate Osama Bin Laden so that they could go home, but President Clinton refused and cited the excuse of the US No Assassination Policy.

                    In 2006 President Bush amended the US No Assassination Policy, Pre Authorizing Presidential Authority to Terminate Osama Bin Laden as a Mission Failure to Locate and Capture Osama Bin Laden. It was absolutely necessary to locate and capture Osama Bin Laden to obtain his thought processes, planning processes, etc. that he imprinted on his Al Quada Leadership; so that the US could preemptively interdict all Al Quada Activities Worldwide. The Mission to Locate and Capture Osama Bin Laden was delegated by President Bush since 2006 with Presidential Authorization to Director of the CIA (further delegated to CIA's SAD/SOG), Commander US Military Special Operations Command, Commander US Military Joint Special Operations Command.

                    Harvard International Review Article, 2006, "US No Assassination Policy On The Offensive".

                    Will4203 - Conservatism has been (and still is) the biggest fraud ever imposed on the American people and the United States...

                    And it was the Rich Elitist Founding Fathers that Founded the Republic of America (NOT "Democracy is Mob Rule"). And it was the Rich Elitist Founding Fathers that REFUSED to pay the "Rich Pay Their Fair Share", "Tax The Rich" of the British Stamp Act Taxes.

                    The biggest screwups were those that had the most opportunity to screw the US up:

                    Since 1945 Democrats have controlled the the House & Senate 21 terms to Republicans 6 ( Or 42 years to 12 years ). Democrats have controlled the House, Senate, and Whitehouse 11 terms to Republicans 2 ( or 22 years to 4 years ).

                    And talk about Fraud Against the American People you don't even know who President Obama's Buddy "Mr. Corporate America" is and what he has been doing since 2007 to slip his dick into you, starting with admitted violations of the US Law, McCain Feingold Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act. With the uneducated hypocrites like you screaming for a US Law of Campaign Reform.

                    • 4 votes
                    #6.4 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:19 PM EST

                    Will4203 - Are you saying the Republican/Conservative obstruction and sabotage of our recovery is justified???

                    Blah, blah, partisan political propaganda.

                    President Obama's Actions that circumvent the US Congress "The Will of the People":

                    Keep clicking "Next", read all of them (Actions done mostly done without anyone's approval that cost money), the "Classified" Executive Orders pertaining to President Obama's Secret Wars are not listed:

                    http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions

                    Do you know what President Obama keeps saying that sabotages the US Economy as Historically Documented as a Cause. Well, clearly President Obama does not know either, just keeps on stating that as his Policy. If President Obama keeps on doing that based on being Reelected giving him a "mandate" that he is correct, even one of his primary supporters and unlimited corporate campaign contributors like GE will move their Headquarters to Zug Switzerland just to get away from President Obama's stated Policy.

                    Will4203 - I think it's more like right wing treason..

                    Hypocrite:

                    Under President Bush, Demoncraps: Dubya, Ret*rd, Traitor, Criminal, etc.. Freedom of Speech, Transparency, Right to Know, etc..

                    Under President Obama, Demoncraps: News Media "Dising" President by using "Mr." instead of President. Classified (only to US Public not rest of world), "Need to Know Only", National Security, etc..

                    Like how it is condoned if the Demoncraps disrespect, Demonize, name calling, etc. and have NAZI Zero Tolerance for the same treatment of Demoncraps by others. Play the Race Card, yet start screaming Black man, hate, looks and sounds like a President (appearance not performance (Results)), etc. while not considering FAILED Actions as the actual criticisms.

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                    #6.5 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:30 PM EST
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                    In 2016 even the Blacks and the Mexicans will not vote for the democrats.

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                    Reply#7 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:18 AM EST

                    Why? You must be Black or Mexican.

                    • 1 vote
                    #7.1 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:31 AM EST

                    Of course they will, they will be promised more handouts, and legalization.

                    • 4 votes
                    #7.2 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:46 AM EST

                    Flyincloud Yes I am Mexican how did you know.

                    • 2 votes
                    #7.3 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:13 AM EST

                    Sorry Flyinclouds I am Black in 2012 but will be a Mexican in 2016

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                    #7.4 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:18 AM EST
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                    Remember 1939 folks..it's where we are headed!

                    • 3 votes
                    Reply#8 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:20 AM EST

                    Yes and the wealth distribution was much the same as it is today. Hmmmm I wonder if that is just coincidence or not.

                    • 2 votes
                    #8.1 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:28 AM EST

                    I guess I'm a little slow, I know that we were in the middle of a strong recovery because FDR had finally listened to Keynes in 1938 and that we were just around the corner from entering the wars raging across the planet. Is war what you are referring to?

                    • 3 votes
                    #8.2 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:34 AM EST

                    I think it was a typo meant to be 1929.

                    • 3 votes
                    #8.3 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:03 AM EST

                    Hahaha! I am slow! Of course it was 29 here I was racking my brain on 1939 events. Jokes on me. Carry on.

                    • 2 votes
                    #8.4 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:17 AM EST

                    Lol it happens. It caused me to take a second look as well.

                    • 1 vote
                    #8.5 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:19 AM EST

                    Jesse meant that the Japanese has voted in favor of going back to their old military imperialism ways. This election result is indeed worrisome for those of us who still remember WWII. History is repeating in Japan; whenever they face a faltering economy, they turn to military imperialism because they have limited resources on that little island. They don't realize that China and Korea have risen and China has nuclear capability to wipe out Japan before they can cry uncle. This is what happens when you don't teach history in school. Their is no mention of WWII in Japanese textbook.

                    • 1 vote
                    #8.6 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:27 AM EST

                    I have a hard time believing, with as many people with Internet access in Japan, that they know nothing of WW2.

                    • 2 votes
                    #8.7 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:34 AM EST

                    Actually your 1939 stance was not far off, the US has been in a depression for years (4 vs 10 with no hope in sight) You have saber rattling from China, Iran, and others like we did with Germany and Japan back then. We had our military down grading like we do today, 1929 was the start, but little had changed even in 1939. I would have put us at 1934.

                    Japan has looked at the US for some time. It has figured it must stand on it's own, as the US can no longer be trusted to live up to it part of the bargin to potect Japan. Look at our stance elsewhere. In Europe we declined to protect Poland and eastern Europe with anti missle potection. We have been giving Israil the cold sholder. Or Formosa stance has softened. We are cutting or Navy. You don't have to look hard to see the tea leaves. China is growing stronger we are getting weaker, so Japan is only two options give in to China, or stand on it's own.

                    • 4 votes
                    #8.8 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:52 AM EST

                    Jesse James-1444833 - Remember 1939 folks..it's where we are headed!

                    Nope more like the start of the Great Depression. We no longer have those US Laws created in 1933 that made Illegal the Causes of Depressions, that took Six (6) Years to finally have an effect in 1939; as these US Laws were eliminated by President Clinton 2000 with the result later on (Eight (8) Years Later, 2008; would have been Six (6) years, Bush stopped this by Two (2) years) of the current $60 Trillion to $100 Trillion Global Economic Crisis consisting of the Mortgage Crisis, Wall Street Crisis, Financial Crisis, Banking Crisis, Credit Crisis, etc..

                    We also do not have a President willing and able to figure out what President FDR did, as US Consumerism will NEVER get the US out of a Depression, like President FDR's created US Military Industrial Complex Sales of "War Materials" to England, Russia, China, etc. in exchange for tons of Gold, Silver, Raw Materials, etc. did get the US out of the Great Depression 1939, before US Entry into WWII 1941. Too bad most Americans are too lazy or uneducated to figure out who, what, how, when, where, etc. started the current "Middle Class", Was NOT the Labor Unions, was the fact that US men were being Drafted into WWII and they were replaced by their wives, girlfriends, women in the factories and plants of President FDR's US Military Industrial Complex, resulting in lots of income (two wage earners) with minimal inflation, and almost no Unemployment. Also not the Labor Unions, the Federal Labor Laws demanded by President FDR for his Nationwide US Military Defense Industrial Complex (based on the War Department's Study to Prevent Catastrophic Accidents).

                    Also many after the Fact things written in President FDR's Presidential Papers like his Failed New Deal To The American People as using Money the US did not have to create jobs, large taxes that only drove the rich out of the US to Swiss Bank Accounts prolonging the Credit Crisis portion of the Great Depression as the rich were no longer at the US to provide Loans. President FDR's Implementation of Universal Health Care For All US Citizens, by eliminating the Insurance Corporations from the Medical Profession, programs to create a surplus of Medical Professionals, etc..

                    Research also what happened at Germany prior to the Global Great Depression and the events leading up to the Rise of National Socialism aka National Socialist German Workers Party (a Political Labor Union). Post WWII US, 1950s McCarthyism, as the US Communist Party and US Socialist Party were absorbed by the Democratic Party (Founded by the Democratic Confederation of States) to run against the Popular Eisenhower Republican Party (Federalist, Republic of America Party).

                    Yes, I know the Solutions by eliminating the Causes (based on finding out the Causes using Causative Timelines); laughing, too bad most of the Solutions will take time to take effect (what the Politicians hate, as no immediately visible effects for their own Political Gains), as it took Twelve (12) Years to get into this Problem (tons of Duct Tape, paper clips, Bandaids, wire clothes hangers, etc. holding sh!t together and covering over everything does not help either). LOL, Lawyers as trained to win their arguements by any means including Errors of Omission (legalese term for LYING) to repair your car for $5,000 per hour, how about a Lawyer performing Surgery on you; and voters believe that Lawyers that have become Professional Politicians can fix sh!t (Reality: "You get what you get" - Loris 'Barrow' Harrow, City of Ember. And you still keep on voting for them, they told you that Pepsi you bought is Coca Cola and you keep believing them.).

                    • 2 votes
                    #8.9 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:05 PM EST
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                    Yes, the budget needs to be close to balance as possible, but only one president had a balance budget in the last 40 years. So go figure.

                    • 2 votes
                    Reply#9 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:24 AM EST

                    It's congress that writes the budget, the president can only sign what's given him. Why do you think Obama is forced to negotiate with Boehner! Clinton signed what Gingrich gave him.

                    • 2 votes
                    #9.1 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:44 PM EST
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                    Guess they got tired of obamanomics, aka Soros owned world bank.

                    • 5 votes
                    Reply#10 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:31 AM EST

                    You got to hand it to the Japanese people. They take idea's from other people, and actually make them work! The Nazi's sent Japan their jet fighter during the war, it crashed. They put it back together, and improved it to the point where if the war had gone on another 6 months they would have turned the tide of the war with their squadrons of jet fighters. In fact our first jet fighter was from their designs.

                    I think the only thing they invented was the bath tub, but they can advance an idea like no one else can.

                    And now they're using the blueprint for government we gave (or imposed on them) them after the war, and are actually making it work. If one of their politicians was involved in something like the Benghazi fiasco, they would of had the decency to commit suicide, or at least resign! Not our guys!

                    • 2 votes
                    Reply#11 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:36 AM EST

                    The have also expended on our debt to gdp ratio. I would say that is a failure.

                    • 4 votes
                    #11.1 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:43 AM EST
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                    You cannot reason with someone that make the Kool-Aid then drinks it. Good Day!

                    • 2 votes
                    Reply#12 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:41 AM EST

                    d***it

                      Reply#13 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:42 AM EST

                      error post

                        Reply#14 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:44 AM EST

                        Another country with a big debt-interesting.It seems like so many countries have prosperity based on debt : the EU , the US. Also, it appears that the parties in Japan are like ours.No matter who is in same Globalist Agenda and endless wars continue and not for the benefit of the people that elected them. Now, we have a big issue of toxic derivatives and exceleration of fiat money production. The countries in good shape with balanced budgets are : China, Russia , Iran. Money talks , b.s. walks so my prediction is that the countries with money will have a lot more to say in international affairs than the bankrupt countries. Imperial posturing with empty pockets by the US is creating a dangerous world and is unsustainable. What are the options ? Sanity. The greatest danger to our national security is our debt.To save money the endless wars must stop ASAP, troops from Korea and Japan returned to the US. The nuclear protection should be sufficient and the money saved from obscene military spending can pay off debts.It should have been done long ago.The Globalist Agenda that is destroying national economies to enrich the Communist Chinese must be abolished. If the indebted countries : USA. EU can not even compete with China in garlic production ( check your shelves in stores), how can they compete at all ?

                          Reply#15 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:47 AM EST

                          I'll be very impressed if the Japanese manage to come back from the economic problem they're having. Problem or not though, it doesn't stop me from wanting to live there.

                          • 1 vote
                          Reply#16 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:49 AM EST

                          You can look at history and postulate a course that will "fix" everything; but the new reality is; there are 7 billion people on this planet (and growing), dwindling resources available (without resorting to war), and a degrading environment. Those are a few of the physical problems; the pyschological problems are much deeper, and are now part of the cultural fabric of the Western world. I hate to be such a downer on this holiday season, but there is no human solution for what is going to happen with 7 billion people selfishly grabbing anything they can get their hands on. It's just laughable when you Dems, and Repubs have your mindless slap fights over things you couldn't fix in a million years.

                          • 5 votes
                          Reply#18 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:54 AM EST

                          There is only one solution, collapse and rebuild. Greece is going through that now, Argentina went through it, Brazil, etc., and a bunch of others.

                          We are being fed cocaine so we don't have to face the pain of withdrawal. The problem is it takes a bigger and bigger dose to have the desired effect. Sooner or later we will be forced to go cold turkey. Like Greece and all it's predecessors, it will be extremely painful but as Argentina, and the rest have proved there is light at the end of the tunnel.

                            #18.1 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:57 PM EST
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                            I believe the difference in Japan with the national debt and other countries, is that they do not owe or borrow money from other countries...etc..the Japanese government owes the money to the Japanese people. In other words the Japanese people control the debt

                            Nothing wrong with lowering the capital gains and corporate taxes here, but where is the incentive to bring jobs back to the us, if you think that lowering the corporate rate...etc would create alot mor jobs..don't think so...if I was head of a corporation, would continue to outsource etc...my profits would just go up. Give corporations tax breaks...etc...only if they brings jobs back or manufacture in the usa.

                            • 5 votes
                            Reply#19 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:06 AM EST

                            I agree if you are going to subsidize corporations you have to only subsidize the ones that keep the jobs in your country therefore strengthening your economy. To subsidize companies that outsource is like spending twice the money because you don't get the benefit of the consumer spending via the money they make.

                            • 5 votes
                            #19.1 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:17 AM EST

                            The EPA and other bureaucracies will not allow manufacturing to flourish in this country. Labor is not the only cost to consider. I saw a report interviewing a CEO who said to build a plant in this country would incur tens of millions in studies, permits, law suit defense, etc., taking four or more years. In China he could get the go ahead for tens of thousands of dollars in a few weeks. Guess where he's building!

                            Our bureaucracies have to justify their existence and they are doing it with great exuberance.

                              #19.2 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:03 PM EST
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                              LOL.......News article describing a party balancing budget/reducing debt as a "radical" party! LMAO! The world has the same disease....LIBERALISM!!

                              • 3 votes
                              Reply#20 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:09 AM EST

                              Looks like the Japanese ARE more intelligent that we are.

                              • 4 votes
                              Reply#21 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:19 AM EST

                              You and the Japanese forgot WWII

                              • 1 vote
                              #21.1 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:35 AM EST

                              How can that possibly happen, Lonesome, when trolls like you always reminding?

                                #21.2 - Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:20 AM EST
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                                When the economic sh*t hits the fan, what do they do ... bring in the Conservative Party!!!

                                Did you know that Asian people have an average IQ that is higher than Caucasion or Black people's IQs. It's obvious isn't it?

                                • 4 votes
                                Reply#22 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:35 AM EST

                                They also have family values.

                                Something that is lacking in the US today due to liberal policies that have decimated the family in this country.

                                • 3 votes
                                #22.1 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:37 AM EST
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                                Good - they will re-arm themselves to counter the Chinese's "peaceful rising".

                                • 2 votes
                                Reply#23 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:38 AM EST

                                I guess the Japanese have tired of the socialism experiment and are growing some brains and voting conservative to undo the damage. Kind of like here in the US, after the failure of socialism has set in, perhaps people will regain some sense and vote back in conservatism to fix the damage.

                                • 4 votes
                                Reply#24 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:49 AM EST

                                I love how dmallett demonstrates his/her ignorance on modern Japanese political history, basic economics, and apparently the definition of socialism in two sentences. How concise.

                                Hint: Just because you vaguely don't agree with the Dem's policies (mostly because that radio show you listen to tells you that it's ruining America) doesn't mean they're socialist. That is a stone throw away from HUAC and "You're a commie!" accusations.

                                • 3 votes
                                #24.1 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:06 AM EST

                                Soros talking points commie? What would you do without msnbc telling you what to think?

                                • 2 votes
                                #24.2 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:56 PM EST

                                dmallet has never been to Japan

                                • 2 votes
                                #24.3 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:03 PM EST

                                The only thing conservatism can fix is the standing of the hidden rich. America said NO to conservatism. Obama won for good reason. you can't hide the treachery of the koke brothers by invoking the name of sorros. Not gonna work anymore. "So get out anyone if you can't lend a hand, for the times they are a changin" <<<<<<bob Dylan song.

                                • 1 vote
                                #24.4 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:08 PM EST

                                George, we know why you are lonely because you make asinine statements such as this one. FYI, I have been to Japan and you failed. To the other George, pauljohn, read the article. :o) It speaks for itself.

                                  #24.5 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:07 PM EST

                                  In the last six years of democrat control since taking over congress the rich have only gotten richer while the poor get poorer, yet liberal lemmings keep swallowing the propaganda fed to them.

                                    #24.6 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:13 PM EST
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                                    Too bad the USA didn't go conservative like Japan has, we can now count on Japan whooping our butts in the world economic race again. We are so screwed America!

                                    • 5 votes
                                    Reply#25 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:03 AM EST

                                    We did go conservative in 1980 and it is a total failure

                                    • 3 votes
                                    #25.1 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:47 AM EST

                                    don't forget the W Bush 8 years. Conservatives have very short memory.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #25.2 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:04 PM EST

                                    No, stunning success, including Bush. Only when liberals took over congress did the wheels fall off. They inherited 4.6% unemployment and a booming economy and it's been downhill ever since.

                                    All of Clinton's successes occured with a republican congress.

                                      #25.3 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:15 PM EST

                                      Typical conservative-Run up the bill then leave without paying-As stated, Same game since 1980-Blame it on entitlements, We must get rid of them and this is how we'll do it, , Right, Right.

                                        #25.4 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:23 PM EST
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                                        Lovely. Here comes the East Asian Arms Race...

                                        • 3 votes
                                        Reply#26 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:04 AM EST

                                        You got it while may on this vine missed the fine point. I hope I will not see another Japanese military imperialism in my life time.

                                        • 2 votes
                                        #26.1 - Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:07 PM EST
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