This isn't about Hungary, the right wing, or even Jews. This is about the human need to hate someone. It's prevalent in very society, no matter how advanced they seem to be. The targets change from time to time, but there is always some group destined to be society's scapegoat. In America, it's currently Muslims. For left-wingers, which you seem to be, it's the right wing. For the right wing, it's the left. There doesn't have to be much reason to it, just prejudice.

Only constant vigilance can keep these prejudices from rising to the level of oppression.

AG99:

I could not agree with you more. The answer is within each and every one of us. It is easy to blame outside issues for internal failures. Poverty is a spiritual malady that is pervasive and corrosive.

Skrekk -

Stick to the article...this has nothing to do with the Left or Right party. This is about a country that wants a tally on who is Jewish (Germany ring a bell!) If the Left or Right EVER asked that in the US then you can tout whoever said it as "racist, anti-Semitic, homophobic, misogynistic and xenophobic." Do Not put up your views as the views of all people who are Democratic, Republican or Libertarian, etc. It only shows how much you don't know about the actual party members that make up the Grass-root base. Stop talking about the "fools" who show up on TV or news media and say outlandish things (this includes all parties.) I am so glad I belong to none of them. I prefer common sense that seems to be lacking these days.

To quote Albert Einstein - "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not
sure about the former." OH...He was a Jew!

well, the universe is finite.

so einstein, who did not believe god played dice, believed in a finite universe from his youth, its a made up quote.

and right wing anti what we are is alive and well. here in the us, too.

http://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/04/universe-einstein/

and here is where einstein discusses the finiteness of the universe.

http://todayinsci.com/E/Einstein_Albert/EinsteinsUniverse-NYT2Feb1921.htm

And this is why the State of Israel is so important.

The only thing slower than human evolution is tectonic shifts. Most people never learn how exactly their parents were simply nuts, and they're darn proud of that accomplishment and intend to pass it onto their children. The old adage that our parents want nothing more than their children to be better than them is on par with all other fairy tales. A nice daydream, with no resemblence to reality or the laws of nature.

There's only one racist disgusting ignorant label that you all are guilty of, and you should be ashamed of it. You're, you're, you know: Human

Now who can't help but be ashamed of that. I mean, an entire race born sinful! Just compare us against all other of God's creatures and you can see it.

And Anti-muslim

As a leftist, I can't figure out why the far-right is so anti-semitic. Well, I can, since much of it is composed of ultra-fundamentalist bibleists. For some reason, they think that appeasing the zombie Jesus can only happen by hating jews.

As a leftist, I can't figure out why the far-left is so anti-semitic. I think it has to do with Palestinians, and for some reason far-leftists have this luv-in thing with Palestinians. I once would've seen that, until the Palestinian muslims made it clear to the Palestianian christians that to be a Palestinian must equate being a muslim. The Palestinian christians once comprised, based upon the area, a common denominator of 40%. The Palestinian christians were the ones who were educated and operated the infrastructure and made it available for all. The muslims couldn't do a thing because islam is, well, compared to christianity, inferior. And I say that as an Atheist. So, what's left of Palestine is comprised of radical, theocratic muslims, and the last thing we need is another Middle East nation run by them. In the past, when muslims behaved themselves, I'd support a Palestinian state. But now that muslims run everything, let me say this: "Palestine NEVER - Israel FOREVER." And I say that as a leftist secularist. The secular jewish state of Israel is not trying to force everyone, including through terrorism, to become jewish. The muslims, however, are. The remnant of Palestine (made a remnant by muslims) no longer has any claim to existence. I'm an Atheist liberal and I know that muslims are a threat to global freedom. Why other liberals can't see that is beyond me.

not so sure that similar events could not happen elsewhere, such as the united states, where an anti israel chief executive is about to appoint as secretary of state a man whose wife is a noted antisemitic person.

Only knew it was a matter of time before SOMEONE had to get a dig in on Obama. If the nominee were of a conservative ilk, I would hope that you would not defend their nomination regardless of how crass, vulgar, racist, or out of touch either they or their spouse happened to be.

lemur lady - extremists of any sort are anathema, as they all have it in for somebody. we should have no use for the extreme right or left. indeed, it would appear that the situations in the united states and hungary have indeed arisen from opposite poles of the political spectrum, both suck.

Hungary is mirroring what the United States did to the Japanese during World War II.You would think that as human beings we could all respect each other as individuals.

emilymdare - Stick to the article...this has nothing to do with the Left or Right party.

Ummmm......in Hungary, France, Greece and other parts of Europe these anti-semitic nationalist movements are all right-wing, just like they've always been.

Sounds like you haven't been paying attention, and apparently didn't read the article (or its title).

Of course they are right wing.

I know, because MSN says they are.

Poor downtrodden Hungarian Jews. I like Jews a lot, and I also see illegal Mexicans as a great boon to society. That's why I propose America send all of our illegal Mexicans to Israel as a sign of friendship.

You say the right-wingers are antisemitic, but isn't it the left wing who sympathizes with the terrorists who are attempting to destroy Israel in the name of an independent Palestine?

You say the right-wingers are antisemitic, but isn't it the left wing who sympathizes with the terrorists who are attempting to destroy Israel in the name of an independent Palestine?

You mistake antisemitism for dislike of Israeli government policies. There's a huge difference.

Right, because disagreeing with a country's politics is a perfectly good reason to support people who launch rockets at the population because they didn't get their way in a democracy.....

Again with the Jews. Jobbik just wants a scapegoat, decided to go with the Jews, probably don't have enough Turks or North Africans in that crummy country, to instead effectively scapegoat/blame for his political agenda.
What a jerk, hope they throw him out of office.

Such blind, stupid hatred... just like the right wing, tea billy hacks in this country... the American Taliban.

Say, how come the media never refers to the communist regimes and parties in various countries as "far left"?

Right, because disagreeing with a country's politics is a perfectly good reason to support people who launch rockets at the population because they didn't get their way in a democracy.....

No .. because disagreeing with a country's politics, even if it IS Israel, doesn't make one antisemitic -- which is what you were implying. You still obviously haven't figured out the difference.

Indeed, it's not antisemitic to disagree with Israeli politics, but it is antisemitic to oppose the very existence of Israel, since someone who has no problem with Jews should not have a problem with existence with Jewish state, and call for Israel's destruction is all too often disguised as support for Palestinians, whose current leaders are pretending to fight for the creation of their own state (which would have been perfectly reasonable), but instead they are fighting for the very destruction of Israel, which is something a true liberal should not support.

I don't have a problem with a Jewish state. I do have a problem with how the government is turning that state into its own worst enemy however.

The 20th century?

Westchesterbob. A friend of mine was stationed in germany and finally found relatives that his family had lost touch with when their grandfather immigrated to the US. While there they got into several discussions and one was about Jews. My friend made the comment, "Well you cant just look at a person and tell they are Jewish", to which was replied, "yes, you can". Antisemitism is alive and well. hitler may be dead but his ideaology is still very much alive. Check out how many arab countries armies "goosestep".

thomas,

that's because it wasn't hitler's ideology, he was just a figurehead of it for a short time. The majority of that era lifted hitler to his position. The majority still exists.

Thomas-Check out how many arab countries armies "goosestep".

Armies "goosestep" in many countries.That doesn't come from love of Hitler. It dates back to the Prussian Military tradition. To the many German Military advisers that trained national armies in the old days,and those national armies leaders adopting it.

It looks as though some Europeans find it difficult to pull their heads out from under the shroud of the dark ages.

It isn't just Europeans who seem to be living in the dark ages. Too many Americans seem to be living there, too. Politically, socially and scientifically.

thomas MOST armies in the world Goose SteP

OMFG

Looks like there was a lot of pushback on this issue from their own citizens. Hungary isn't letting anything start again.

uhm.. Hungary is actually the most anti-Semitic country in Europe, ahead of such lovely-for-Jews places as Poland and Germany.. no clue why any Jew would want to live there.

Have you visited Hungary Al718? It is a beautiful country full of wonderfully warm people. As a Jew traveling abroad, I am extremely aware of the overall climate of places and the MAJORITY of Hungarians are incredibly open and tolerant of other people's differing opinions/life-styles/religions, etc and that's why loonies make it as far as they do there...people say that's his or her opinion. MOST of Budapest's Jews survived the war (it was the last city to deport its' Jewish population) and so many returned to their home of several hundred years. There is a thriving Jewish community there now and I anticipate that there will be a thriving Jewish community there for centuries to come. Please don't speak of what you clearly do not know.

Survivor, Im glad things have been peachy for you and youre oblivious to the real sentiments out there but here is an actual study:

http://www.adl.org/PresRele/ASInt_13/6266_13.htm

http://www.adl.org/Anti_semitism/adl_anti-semitism_presentation_february_2012.pdf

So yeah, "please dont speak of what you clearly do not know"

M, why would anyone hate Jews? Here in America you can't tell who is Jewish or not. They don't act or look any diff. from anyone else. What is the Rationalization for someone to be anti-semetic or hatred? There MUST be some rationalization (whether it be insane or not)

Historically speaking it's because, according to the Catholic church, "The Jews killed Jesus." There has been anti-Jewish sentiment for millennia because they wouldn't worship the local god to "they don't pray like we do" to "the Jews control all the money" to the Jews were to blame for the Black Plague to the Pope told his followers that the Jews were the devil and should be destroyed, the list goes on and on.

With the Muslims, it's because they wouldn't apostatize and follow Mohammed.

The biggest reason over the last few centuries is because of "the Jews control all the money," with Christians not wanting to admit to the fact that it was their forebearers shutting Jews out of the guilds which caused the Jews to go into professions where the guilds weren't interested, like medicine and banking. And then it was the Jews' fault that the Christians wouldn't allow them into guilds. The circle keeps turning. It comes down to one thing - the desire to remain ignorant of anything that is different. Plain and simple.

Spot on!

I think it's because Jews tend to be smart and, even though their numbers are always low as they don't proselytize or force anyone to convert by the sword, they tend to rise to the top of any profession. They tend also to do well financially unless kept down by exclusionary laws, as the Jews of Eastern Europe were before WWII or the Jews in all of Europe during the time of the guilds. So, if you want to get rich quickly, attack the Jews and take what they have. If you want to eliminate competition in your profession, kill the Jews.

Look at any list of Nobel laureates. Lotta Jews for their population in the world.

IMHO, the reason for hatred of Jews is that Jews were always a transient minority religion without a country and a convenient "whipping boy" for those who needed someone to blame for their own perceived failures. All other religions have their own country (e.g., Muslims have Pakistan, Hindus have India, etc). That is why Israel is so important. And those who believe that the Holocaust (or any other minority genocide) cannot reoccur, think again. Germany pre-WWII was the paragon of progressive thinking - religious tolerance (e.g., Jews and Gentiles intermarried), classical music, and literature.

basil romeo, what ignorance. Countries aren't based on religious identity it is ethnic identity. "Muslims have Pakistan"? ROFLMAO Not everyone in India is a muslim or hindu same for Pakistan. OMFG

As for the Jews the European Jews are ethnically caucasian--Ashkenazi are all converts to Judaism and they are not the product of Abraham and Sarah. So that means that Hungarian Jews are Hungarian and belong in Hungary, not middle eastern yet we have a big Jewish state right in the middle of the middle east.

Abraham himself is a migrant to Canaanite lands--modern day Palestine--from Ur, Iraq where he was born. Jews are welcome to go "home" to Iraq because that is where their bloodline comes from.

Don't forget it: Jews are MIGRANTS to Palestine and they just squatted and stole that area for themselves.

ChicagoT,

But the "Palestinians" aren't from the area either. They came and squatted on the land during various invasions over many centuries and originally hail from all over the Middle East. Technically, the Jews squatted there before the Arabs who squatted there at a later time in history.

Hey Chicago T! Ever hear of a guy by the name of Albert Einstein? Although he was fortunate enough to get out of Germany shortly before the beginning of WWII, he certainly was not a tailor or banker! Many of Hitler's scientists working on his rocket and weapons programs during the war were in fact Jews! Try reading some history and enlighten yourself!

Ed, Einstein is one of how many millions?

analof,

Palestinians are genetically proven to be the direct descendent of canaanites the natives to modern day Palestine.

Read from Harvard Yale Professor the book "Sharing the Land of Canaan" which shoes that Jewish Genetics show they are in fact not linked to the people of the Levant. And the Palestinians are proven to be from that area.

See, you cannot WILL people to just drop off the face of the earth.

Or you can check other studies that show clearly that Jews are originated form the Middle East and lived there at least 3000 years ago.

It so happens Jews were never welcoming of converts unless they marry into Jewish family.

There is one known case of a whole tribe (Chazars) accepting Judaism, but those were completley wiped out by Russians.

As for Jewish accomplishments, if Einstein is not enough, you can always check the least of Noble Laureates (the real one, not the Peace awards).

Jews are native to Israel, and that land belongs to them, no matter how many other nations try to squatter or steal it.

Chicago,

Do some research buddy. There were numerous studies that showed European Jews are genetically much closer to Middle Eastern Jews and Arabs than they are to the Gentile population they have lived amongst for centuries, despite the mixing over this time. They might look similar to you, but just ask any Hungarian, a Ukrainian or a Pole for that matter to pick out a Jew and theyll be correct 10/10 times - a concept difficult to understand for anyone that hasnt lived it and especially in such a diverse society as U.S.

The Gypsies were also proven to have originated from India, but from a glance look pretty similar to Romanians and Hungarians, unless you're a Romanian or Hungarian that is.

Chicago: Before calling someone else ignorant, make sure you have all the facts and make comments that are relevant. For example, what about the religious minorities who are murdered and tortured in Pakistan, a majority Muslim country, on a regular basis? This is done in the name of religious identity, not ethnic identity.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-20582988

http://www.hazarapeople.com/hazara/hn/

http://www.balaams-ass.com/alhaj/miseries.htm

Also refer to the following link: The covenant of the Islamic resistance movement

Look up: "Avalon Project: Hamas Covenant 1988," Yale University School of Law for more information.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp

Chicago: Unfortunately you put your foot in your mouth yet once again. Are you projecting with your personal attacks?

Argumentum ad hominem is the logical fallacy of attempting to undermine a speaker's argument by attacking the speaker instead of addressing the argument. The mere presence of a personal attack does not indicate ad hominem: the attack must be used for the purpose of undermining the argument, or otherwise the logical fallacy isn't there. It is not a logical fallacy to attack someone; the fallacy comes from assuming that a personal attack is also necessarily an attack on that person's arguments.

http://www.fallacyfiles.org/adhomine.html

It wasn't until after WWII and the influx of Jews to New York and other parts of the US that they educated themselves to be doctors and lawyers.

Ed, Einstein is one of how many millions?

Chicago .... a little research in a LOT of areas will help you NOT make a fool of yourself.

Here are a few more Jewish Noble Prize winners (before or during WWII):

Chemistry: 1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer, 1906 - Henri Moissan, 1910 - Otto Wallach. 1915 - Richard Willstaetter, 1918 - Fritz Haber, 1943 - George Charles de Hevesy

Medicine: 1908 - Elie Metchnikoff, Paul Ehrlich, 1914 - Robert Barany, 1922 - Otto Meyerhof, 1930 - Karl Landsteiner, 1931 - Otto Warburg, 1936 - Otto Loewi. 1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser Joseph Erlanger, 1945 - Ernst Boris Chain

Physics: 1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson, 1908 - Gabriel Lippmann, 1921 - Albert Einstein, 1922 - Niels Bohr, 1925 - James Franck Gustav Hertz, 1943 - Otto , - Isidor Issac Rabi,1945 - Wolfgang Pauli

Now, to me that seems like a pretty high percentage of winners for a group of people which is really a minute percentage of the earth's population.

On ethnic background, Jewish roots can go as far back as to Northern Africa. I did the Family Tree DNA testing and was part of the National Geographic Human Genome Project, for fun. Although Methodists - for many generations, we were pretty sure my dad had Jewish ethnicity - probably from his mother - Sephardic, Mizrachi, and Ashkenazi - I'm about 12% "Middle Eastern". Turns out, my mother also has Jewish roots. It was very interesting to learn about.

Basil, you beat me to it with the links. Good job. Thanks, it saved me the trouble. Here's a link comparing Nobel Prizes.

http://www.jewishmag.com/99mag/nobel/nobel.htm

Palestinians are genetically proven to be the direct descendent of canaanites the natives to modern day Palestine.

T, is that really the best you can come up with??? The Philistines were also migrants - from the Greek Isles. They ceased to exist as a nation a long time ago.

http://theisraelconnection.blogspot.com/2008/09/origin-of-name-palestine-truth-is.html

Jews are welcome to go "home" to Iraq because that is where their bloodline comes from.

There used to be plenty of Jews in Iraq and Iran. They, along with others such as Christians, Baha'i, Buddhists and other minorities have been persecuted and their land, businesses and possessions stolen. By the way T, where is your bloodline from??? Are your bags packed yet???

yet we have a big Jewish state right in the middle of the middle east.

Why yes we do!!! It's HUGE!!! What a joke!!!

http://www.masada2000.org/geography.html

See, you cannot WILL people to just drop off the face of the earth.

You might wish to take you own advice, T.

OK...I think you and your bold faced lies type have received enough attention from everyone.

Good morning Chef. And as always, an enlightening post. Actually, I neglected to mention that the links were originally posted by you. My apologies. @Chicago apparently cannot distinguish between racial, ethnic, and religious persecution. Such a parochial thought process is common to hate groups.

Basil, you are very much correct. It is a trait very much common to most bigots that cannot see past the hate at the end of their noses.

Mornin' Basil. Wonderful thing that the links are so readily available. Happy to see them utilized. ☺ Sorry to see that they were needed. :(

(i miss latekate)

Mornin' Ed.

It is a trait very much common to most bigots that cannot see past the hate at the end of their noses.

Worth repeating.

Here's a list of Jewish Nobel laureates, all 170+ of them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_Nobel_Prize_winners

Top o the mornin to you chef!

Chicago T, I forgot to mention above in reply to your statement of Nobel Laureates about Einstein being one of how many millions? As they do not give out very many to begin with, one is more than plenty! It's a fact. Deal with it!

As they do not give out very many to begin with, one is more than plenty!

Hey Ed. :) Ain't that the truth!!! It is quite the prestigious award for amazing contributions to humanity.

Thanks Michael for providing a more up to date list that takes us into 2012. My link ended at 2003. Hope I don't need to use it but have a feeling I'll need it sometime in the future on this thing. It would be nice if it could appear on threads commenting positively on accomplishments instead of threads peppered with hatred and jealousy.

Nice to see the longer list. I might point out I ONLY used those up through WWII to refute Chicago's comment about "after WWII".

Two things I firmly believe in life:

A. Ignorance is forgivable because one does not know that something is wrong and is capable of learning otherwise.

B. Stupidity is unforgivable because one knows something is wrong and goes ahead and does it anyway!

Chicago T, welcome to category B!

To everyone who thanked me for the updated list, you're more than welcome.

Given the pervasive xenophobia of right-wingers I can't imagine why those groups are isolated.

Skrekk, but WHY are they xenophobic?? They must have some rationalization. It is irrational that this generation would suddenly wake up one morning and become ant-semetic. This generation was born in the 60s and 70s.

@Kevin -

Besides religious freedom, the end of Communism in 1989 also brought a freedom of speech and politics that quickly gave birth to openly anti-Semitic political forces.

It is only relatively recently that Hungary's Jews have celebrated their identity as openly as they did when Europe's largest synagogue was built in Budapest in the 1850s.

Do you get it now, Kevin? It is only fairly recently that the two things mentioned above have come about, and led to the situation that is making news today. As long as the Jews hid what they were and pretended to be what they were not, they were not a threat to the established xenophobes.

Look at it this way.... until the Gay community came out of the closet here in the US, those who are afraid of them had no reason to form groups against them and fight their existence in politics, public offices, organizations such as Scouts.... as long as they pretended they didn't exist, they didn't offend.

If the Jews won't go away physically, this Hungarian group would like them to just stay underground.

Incorrect. Here in the UK, I had never heard a single person comment on muslims until 1) 9/11 2) 7/7 (UK train bombs) and then 3) The bombing of the Spanish trains. Not to mention Bali.

In the 1970s, when at school and on TV, there were jokes on the Irish, but that was when the IRA were still active. What I do hear constantly, and it is only semi justified, is that immigrants are either taking our jobs, or exploiting our welfare. (For my part, if they work hard, they deserve our jobs!)

Islam brings a lot of it's troubles on itself by being stuck in a system that is self destructive, but they try to blame others when things go wrong. Related, I asked a good (atheist) friend why people hate Jews. His reply, "They are jealous." Based on my observations of life, he is correct. Note what the leader of Indonesia said soon after the Bali bombings, "We need to be more like the Jews, industrious etc" (words to that effect.)

Indeed!

screm, I read that part of the artical and I disagree with it. As for you comparing Judiasm to homosexuality is presenting yourself as having ant-semitism paranioa. Judiasm is really not that different from Christianity. In fact there are much more estremist sects of Chrisianity in Russia and Europe that are much more diff. from the Catholics then Judiasm. I think it is Judiasm's obsession to be victims even though they are not. Judiasm is not that much more diff. then Catholism.

I was not comparing Judaism to homosexuality!

I was merely using the paranoia of the idiots in Hungary as an example of why they are suddenly, now, becoming afraid of Jews. As long as the Jewish people were willing to pretend they were not, in fact, Jewish, and were willing to keep it quiet, they were willing to pretend the Jews did not exist in their society.

This just cannot be allowed to happen again, regardless of the country or the reason. I find it offensive that the US allows representatives from Iran to even set foot on our shores. I understand the reason we must entertain their presence, but I am offended by it.

If you have ever read any of my comments on other threads, you would know, Kevin, that I am anything but anti-Semitic.

Kevin -

Excuse me... I misunderstood you, didn't I? You didn't accuse me of being anti-Semitic. You were accusing me of being paranoid about other people who are anti-Semitic.

Yes, I am. If you had a trace of Native American blood and knew the past and ongoing history of the genocide and racism and bigotry directed at the First People, you would understand why I do not cringe, but leap forward in outrage at the thought of the beginning of another such atrocity directed at the Jewish people, wherever they are.

Kevin--"Judiasm is not that much more diff. then Catholism."

Really? When were the Jewish "Crusades"?

Go back under your rock. I hope it shifts while you're under there, too.

WOW, Kevin ...just...wow.

As to Victimolgy that you say is baseless.

First, let's look at the past. From Ancient Egypt to the Amalekites, to the Greek Assyrians, to the Romans, to the Spanish Inquisition, to the Crusades, to the holocaust, to the Refusniks.

NOW, let's look at the present.

Wars against them, in '48, '56, 67, 73, '82.

Iran, which threatens to wipe Israel off the map; Iran, Syria, Hammas, Hezbollah, ALL aim to estroy Israel, - 1967 borders or not.

But..let's go FARTHER: This VERY article, for one - constant attacks ALL over Europe against Jews; Norway's Jews live in constant fear.

Why dont you LOOK on HERE, Newsvine, EVERY time there is an article about Israel - you'll find hate.

Heck, even in Orange County, California - in a post 9/11 world, attacks against Jews and Jewish cemeteries and businesses, outnumber those against Muslims.

Get your head out of your....uh, sand.

How did we make a country?

Bill, you must be Jewish.

Bill, you live in a sad place if you think that only politicians want diversity and that everybody hates everyone. We know what you said is not true. The question is - why did you feel compelled to say it?

If you just read on here and didn't see real people you might say it as well. I have no idea why anyone else said anything, but there is an awful lot of hatred and anger around online.

Fortunately in real life there are much joy and peace as well.

Because you're idiots and the Jews aren't?

back, what is wrong with being facist? That is their own private business (hint)

Kevin: Have any of the rocks ever carved commandments on themselves?

Big, very, very good!!!

JFO, I worked for a man in the 1980s. I didn't know he was Jewish. He owned these million dollar hotels but lived in this small dirty apt. and would spend his days working with me and my friend fixing water pumps ect. We thought he was kinda wacko. One day he rolled up his sleeve while we were working and had the concentration camp serial number tatood on the underside of his for-arm. As soon as he saw that I noticed it, he rolled his sleeve back down and left. I knew to never ask him about it.

But Kevin, you were too busy praying that your rock gods would roll down and finish him off. "Small dirty apartment"= didn't live lavish + worked hard = good reason for Kev to hate, right?

rachel, it was a profound experience to love and respect him and Judiasm and that anyone who entertains any thought of ant-semitism should be commited to a mental hospital

Well yeah, so then you think that any successful Jew should shroud themselves in gold and fine clothes, and lots of fancy art like Jesus wanted us to do. I mean just look at the pope (the only man with a hotline to God)!

I mean if Jesus walked into the Vatican, what do you think he'd say, something insane like: sell it all and follow me? Sounds like that Jew you knew was a lot more christlike than most of us.

Why do people have to keep sniping at each other? Go live your lives....be kind...be happy.

rrobeson <<< >>> You said "...if Jesus walked into the Vatican...he'd say...sell it all and follow me..." I say--- While there may be a germ of truth in what you say, you forget that 1) The treasures of the Vatican have accumulated for thousands of years and, today, as display items they draw hundreds of thousands (if not, millions) of tourists to the Vatican and Rome and other territories yearly, which brings in many millions of Euros which feeds and clothes and etc many many people, many of whom would otherwise starve and sleep in the streets. & 2) The Roman Catholic Church, as one of the oldest (maybe the oldest) formal organizations on the Earth has, indeed, accumulated a lot of treasures, but she has also distributed a LOT of charity. & 3) Despite the laws to the contrary, Pope Pius XII saved the lives of more Jews from the Holocaust than all the other people/organizations combined that worked to save them did. The pope didn't do it alone, of course. He could not have succeeded to the extent he did had he not commandered a great deal of prestiege and influence due to the connections the Church had developed for centuries/millenia. This happened while Rome, which physically encases The Vatican, was ruled by the Nazis. Pope Pius, indeed escaped persecution in that way, but he never knew when the day would come...; when sleep would be interrupted... Pope Pius XII secretly left behind a document in which he formally abdicated from the papacy so, if arrested, the Nazis would have in their clutches --- a cardinal. A cardinal who would be subject to the vengeance of a man who was known to be an extreme fanatic and very cruel.

There is no acceptable excuse for the riches on display, accumulated over the eons on the backs of peasants, by the Vatican or any other catholic cathedral. It's appalling, and an affront to real Christians. That applies to all those petty evangelicals on tv too, with their tax exempt status, subsidized by the taxpayers, disgraceful.

Don, part of the problem is those like you who would like to lump all Jews (or any people) together and attach collective labels. Prejudice.

Har har, another muslim sympathizer that I am certain blames the US and Israel for provoking the Muslims to fly planes into buildings.

I think you will find that in ANY Islamic nation that their people are repressed significantly worse than or around Israel. (Visit and you'll see.) The 'Palestinians' are tools in a war against the Jews and I suggest you research that the Grand Mufti was instructed to do by Hitler as Germany fell apart at the end of WW2. Further, you'll find that a portion of Palestinians prefer living in Israel and know full well that if the nation was to cease to exist, they would be left in even greater limbo by the surrounding nations who don't really care for them.

Also, do visit the shiny new shopping malls in Gaza city, and notice the number of new Mercs - paid for out of your tax dollar and UN donations. Corruption whilst their people focus hate on the wrong enemy!

You say Palestinians are a tool in war against Jews. What? What? Thats dumb. Palestinians are people, they are human, they are a nation, a sovereign nation.

You demonstrate ignorance. Your comment is tantamount to saying 'holocaust never happened, it was a tool used by Zionists to create Israel'.

Pathetic, certainly you are.

oflife -

Thank you for your polite and informative post.

Europeans are much, much more intollerant of Muslims then any sect. and practice of Judiasm. Those Muslims who tried to protest in Germany earlier this year are lucky they got out alive.

No, Don and Kevin the morons. Wrong. Sarkozy's policies were universal and he is NOT Jewish. Neither of his parents were Jewish and neither of his grandmothers were Jewish. One grandfather was but converted to marry the Roman Catholic grandmother.

And Kevin, Judaism nowhere in the Muslim world attacked Islam. Even Israel only reacts. Plus, if you're going to masquerade as an American, learn spelling and grammar in English please.

Rachel,

Forgive Don. He has never read history. Nor took a logic class (given his lack of native ability, he might consider taking one). Unfortunately, so many like hinm opine and shout out "opinions" that have been handed the, by others who take advantage of their ignorance and willingness to accept arguments based on volume and repitition instead of validity of fact and logic.

Am very glad the Hungarian Jews are pushing back. History suggests we have not always been good about that.

Oh, and I don't think we are necessarily smarter (see your earlier post), but the Jewish cultural emphasis on education and putting the younger generation ahead of the older one leads to success more often than not.

I beg to differ. I think you are smarter.

Smarter? Dumber? Right? Wrong? How about we are all people and should be treating each other with kindness wherever we go to church or don't go at all, whoever we love, and whatever we look or sound like? Not every Jew is smart or not smart, more educated or less educated, just as not every atheist is evil and rude or wonderful and brilliant, not every Catholic is an abuser or not one, not every Muslim is evil or not evil, and the list could go on. We are all different, but also alike in some things. We are individuals who can choose to contribute to the good things on our planet or add misery. That isn't the privilege of any one group, but the choice of every person, whatever color skin, creed, country of origin, sexual preference, or other list you can add.

ram, do you always waste time in PC feel good crap? Some groups of people are taller, some gain weight more easily, some have blue eyes. Jews are smarter.

sJ, they do, but they seperate it when it comes down to societal govt. It wasn't long ago that each ethnicity here in the US had their own niehborhoods ect. but when it came down to the bigger picture of govt. and society we knew we all had to work as one.

Here's news for both of you..

You can't survive without tribalism. That's why like-minded people settled together in groups to form villages and cities in the first place.

Representatives are elected from each of the tribes to fight for the interest of the tribe and get the best "deal;" it is a modern version of when the strongest warrior would be chosen to fight in the war games to represent the tribe, or village to win whatever goods he could for them.

We haven't changed all that much, only the method has. The concept of a global society is what is throwing the world into chaos. It will not work. There is too much disparity in what tribes what for themselves.

Always before, a member of the tribe knew if he did not do his share of the work he would be banished and have to fend for himself. He could not go to another village for they would know he was cast out for some reason and would be wary of him. A leader of a village who mistreated his people would be pulled down and replaced.

Now incompetent and evil leaders are rewarded by foreign aid in the millions that they pad their own accounts with, and with the ability to send their uneducated, sick, starving, over populated citizens to prey on countries where citizens do not want to deal with them but their own government will not listen to their protests.

T, out of all of the posts that you made on this article, this is definitely the best and I've decided to vote you up on this one.

Gary, my sincere apologies to you. The "Chicago" in your name caught my eye and had mistaken you for the hate monger that posted all over this and it was too late to delete the darned thing. I am so sorry.

farideh, it is a social anthropological enigma that this geographic part of the world should be regressed. They are surrounded by much higher functioning societies. What do you think?

Nah, farideh. I think that honor belongs to Romania. But perhaps it's due to the fact that they were taken over for a while by Muslims.

Jobbik in fact means "superior" or "better". The word you are looking for probably is "Hulye" or similar to the word "stupid".

Though i spent the first 8 grades in a public school... in high school i went to a Jewish private school. (not surprising, being Jewish)

We learned about the Holocaust in extreme detail, including the "experiments" done by Mengele, there are things i have seen and read that he has done that are seared into my mind. He was a monster.

Never Again... indeed.

Missy, I've never been to Europe but we have a Holocaust Museum in my city. I was OK until we got to the rail car. I cried for the rest of the day.

http://www.flholocaustmuseum.org/

Mornin' Archeim.

Yes, never again. Never!!!

Do you realize that Israel is one of many, many countries on this planet? All are part of the world community and all have rights and needs. To many on the planet who don't follow God this isn't much of a deal to feel that way, but I see it means a lot to you. I don't mean to be disrespectful, but Israel is but one of many countries and the rest of the people in the world matter as well. I can't imagine ever saying that America is God's chosen country because I feel I would be arrogant to even assume that God would only choose one country to be "chosen". You may have people agree with other claims to land or whatever else you have to say, and I do believe that all should be treated fairly, but saying YOUR country is the chosen one doesn't exactly warm hearts toward your cause and sounds really human instead of mystical or religious in my personal opinion. But then I don't want any leaders saying God chose them to be THE leader...sounds a bit humanly arrogant than divine and turns me off to the person saying it...just my thought.

I'd be a little cautious about being God's chosen people, since God chooses his sacrifice, and the Jews have been frequently sacrificed throughout history. In fact, God chose the Jews because they are the least.

Few decades back, there was a movie "To Serve Man" and many were enthusiastic to travel to the distant planet until one man translated the title of the book "To Serve Man" and found it to be a book of recipes.

This was posted a few days ago by viner History52. It is worth repeating since it gives an excellent explanation.

Israel is the only country in the region who is diligent in assuring its representatives do not abuse the power with which they are bestowed. "Justice, justice you will pursue" states Hebrew Scripture.

Corruption and political misuse of power is, however, so rife within the Arab/Muslim nations (as well as Africa, Asia, former eastern bloc countries) that it is accepted as the norm. Good for Israel for continuing to strive toward what is right and not accept such alleged behavior among its leadership.

Seth, the Jewish understanding of "being chosen" by G-d has nothing to do with superiority or special treatment , but with obligation and responsibility. The Jewish people chose G-d and chose to accept His Teachings which demand ethical human behavior. They were in return chosen by G-d to strive to live by these Teachings as best as humanly possible.This is what "being Chosen" means. Nothing else.And Jewish Teaching is clear that anyone can voluntarily choose to do so and in return be chosen (and held to task) by G-d.

G-d bless Israel and G-d bless America.

Respectfully, History

GOD has provided man with free will. Let's give credit where credit is due and blame where blame is due.

"To Serve Man" was a Twilight Zone episode. What the hell does that have to do with this???

Israel has been re-established more than once and it is an amazing thing. What other nation can make this claim???

Any time that any group of people claim to have the only God in the universe and to be the only group of people of that God, they leave themselves open all to all kinds of ridicule and persecution

I like their approach to their religion much better than that of others. They will accept you if you want to convert, but they don't hound you to do so, solicit you to do so, or kill you if you refuse to do so.

In fact, Screminmimi, Jewish law mandates that if a gentile comes to a Jew and ASKS to convert, that Jew MUST try his best to talk him out of it.

Chicago ? What was THAT ?!?!?

What POSSIBLY could you find bigoted in Farideh's post ????

In FACT, what could you POSSIBLY find in his post that is not true ?

someone's hatred is showing, chicago. this is about you and our type's right wing antisemitism. you do little but do ad hominen attacks and pretend to know the real history of the jews. and perhaps if the muslims stopped murdering jews, then they would stop killing muslims. the muslims around israel are nothing but evangelicals with guns and in charge of the government. i could list the history of who attacked who, the series of wars against israel by it muslim neighbors, but then are blind to their ignorance and violence. truth be told, if the us got attacked like that from gaza, it wouldn't exist anymore. muslims use the temple mound as reason for their behavoir, but they are just horrible hateful ppl for this.

Dear Chicago (Islamist propagandist),

You are a bigot. You are exhibiting the same behavior that these Hungarian Hate groups except you want to drive Jews in the opposite direction, but for exact same reasons. You hate WORSE than they are because YOU have had NO interaction with Jews except to murder them in your attempts to destroy Israel.

@Chicago T. Does T stand for Trash? Timid? Tonto? I don't know what it does stand for but I do know you are a first class jerk. Your unwillingness to accept that islam is a religion of hate is front and center. No one is frightened of your brand of extremism.

Jeff, Eli, and others, the ironic thing about hard corps bigots like many that post on Newsvine is that their standard modus operandi is that they are very quick to accuse others of being bigots/racists to try to cover their own failings as bigots! You have a classic example above in Chicago T. They are generally cowards who believe they alone are right and all others disagreeing with them are wrong. Sad and pathetic really.

ed, if you agree with the obvious bigotry of chi-t, and rail against ppl angered by it, you are also troll. stuck on the end of pencil with pink hair. troll. sad and pathetic really. really.

Slowshot, I had to stop and reread your statement above to make sure I got your meaning, but you are absolutely correct.