US civilian killed by Afghan policewoman in 'insider' attack

Retired Army Col. Jack Jacobs talks to MSNBC's Richard Lui about the killing of a U.S. civilian working for the military outside police headquarters in Kabul.

A U.S. civilian working for the military was killed inside Kabul’s police headquarters when a policewoman opened fire in apparent “insider” attack, officials told NBC News on Monday.

The man, a member of the International Security Assistance Forces and a logistics adviser to the Kabul police, was severely wounded and died on Monday in the office of the local police chief, according to Mohammad Zahir, head of the criminal investigation department.

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Zahir described the incident as an “insider attack” in which Afghan forces turn their weapons on Western military they are supposed to be working with. 

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ISAF confirmed to NBC News the victim was one of its civilian employees.

However, a spokesman for the NATO forces in Afghanistan described the victim to Reuters as "a U.S. police adviser".

No further details were immediately available.

Earlier this year, U.S. military officials briefly suspended the training of Afghan Local Police (ALP) in the wake of a deadly series of insider killings, also known as ‘green on blue’ attacks.

In a separate incident, an ISAF member died following an insurgent attack in eastern Afghanistan on Monday, according to a statement released to NBC News. 

A blast killed 10 Afghan girls who were collecting firewood in eastern Afghanistan, according to government officials. In a separate incident, two Afghans died in an attack in Kabul. NBCNews.com's Dara Brown reports.

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If there ever was a country in the history of mankind that needed to be wiped off the Earth it is Afghanistan!

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#1 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 2:52 AM EST

Why do we even bother to try to help these savages?

Now, if she's ventilated Karzai, then I might understand.

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#1.1 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:05 AM EST
Comment author avatarSally in ChicagoExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Mr. Serling, what makes you think we're much better than the Afghans, and do you know the country history? I don't think so. Did you know that before 9/11 that the U.S. and specifically Texan oil companies were doing business with the Taliban? And that that the reps for Talibans had been in the U.S. for business dealings? At one time they were our "friends."

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#1.2 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:49 AM EST

Well I do know the British were there and the Soviet's invaded in 1979 and were there for 10 years.

And yes I do think Americans are better than Afghan's how can you even compare the two Countries!

Apart from the Fact that America has been there since 2001 spent billions to build up the Govt Train and equip local forces, build clinics, schools, roads, infrastructure give them a better life they don't appreciate it. Karzi has been a lousy ally he goes back and forth with the Taliban and he does not try to hide it either! When U.S. Service members were being killed by Afghan forces he didn't open his fukking mouth yet when civilians were killed by Taliban or by ISAF/CF that were in the cross fire he was openly bitching condemning the United States Fuk him. By the Way the United States was never friends with the Taliban however they were allies with the Mujaheddin the Afghan freedom fighters that the CIA equipped to fight the Soviet invasion. Another reason the thousand's that have been there made the ultimate sacrifice and were wounded there.

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#1.3 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:16 AM EST
Comment author avatarMark_SFExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Mr: Seling and people who thinks like him should be wiped of the earth first before making stupid comments like that. For your info Afghans do never accept foreigners, they see them as invaders.

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#1.4 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:27 AM EST
Comment author avatarAussie GuyExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Do you think events like 'friendly' fire, GIs pissing on their dead or nutcases like Bales running amok might have something to do with the local's ill feeling?

Worthwhile pondering!

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#1.5 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:28 AM EST

@Mark SF

I think people with your thought process should have been swallowed!

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#1.6 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:30 AM EST

No, Serling is right. It's a sh**hole.

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#1.7 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:36 AM EST

The election is over there is absolutely no reason to keep our people in this third world %^&*pit any longer. If we start now they can all be home by March or April. Let these cavemen drown in their self created sea of hate and ignorance

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#1.8 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:52 AM EST

We need to PACK our SH_T UP and leave, let them kill each other off because that's what they will end up doing, OH and lets make sure they don't get a DAMN PENNY from us ......

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#1.9 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:59 AM EST

Do you want to leave with a little bit of dignity or tuck our tails and run like we did in Vietnam. ps I am a Vietnam vet so I am speaking from fist hand experience

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#1.10 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:12 AM EST
Comment author avatarglove49Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Sterling, read some history, believing your better than another human life is not only arrogant but completely ignorant. The only difference between you and someone in Afghanistan is that you had the luck of being born here. All of your bull@!$%# and bravado cannot not hide that you are misinformed an uneducated about the region. Besides the oil, that everyone wants to get there hands on the Afghans are sitting on the biggest natural-gas reserves throughout the world. That is why first the Russians and know the USA have both spent over ten years inside that country trying to gain control. Afghanistan's tribunal regions, are controlled by force and the drug trade not unlike most large American cities, the only difference is this country has policing to keep lawlessness in check. Most of these areas are remote and will forever be difficult to police and control. I would take a simple Afghan student over someone like you any day. Read more, get informed, and hate less, stating how much better you think you are exposed how shallow and small you have become.

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#1.11 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:23 AM EST

As soon as American troops leave, Afghanistan's people will turn on themselves and begin fighting each other just like the rest of those third world countries. Let them do it. Perhaps the U.S. can keep an eye on them with satellites and drones, and watch them destroy themselves for a change.

It is not worth the loss of another U.S. civilian or soldier's life to leave that country with "dignity." Accept its a lost cause and move out.

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#1.12 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:29 AM EST

Afghan student really because how it is over there the Taliban doesn't like for kids over there to go to school or read! Also they like to oppress the women easier to oppress someone when they are uneducated but you already knew that! You probably already knew the extremely high illiteracy rate there it's not B.S. bravado it's first hand knowledge of the people and the culture and how savage they are from doing deployments over there Why don't you go over there sometimes and do a fact finding study you may end up like the poor joe in the article Moron!

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#1.13 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:32 AM EST

If there ever was a country in the history of mankind that needed to be wiped off the Earth it is Afghanistan!

N.SErling - Funny, that pretty much approximates what Hitler had to say about the Jews.

99.9% of the Afghan people had nothing to do with the 9/11/2001 attacks. To them we are outsiders following our own agenda.

To me this is just a further indication that it is time and past time for us to leave. Osama bin Laden is dead. Most of the other prominent Al Qaeda leaders are also dead, or have fled. We've given the Afghans the semblance of a democratic government, which they will either nurture, or allow to wither away.

But that is their business. It is time to go, not time to wipe them off the face of the earth.

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#1.14 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:15 AM EST

Sterling you are making my point, and defining it with your own hypocrisy. If you were really deployed over there and saw the atrocities first hand, then you should realize why the populous is so angry. The Taliban is the enemy. They are the ones keeping women and children oppressed not he average citizen. When young girls are being shot in tribunal areas going to school that is a problem. I am sure being shot at has closed your eyes to America's problems. Every day in this God fearing, superior country people get shot, by zealots, wackos, and just sadistic killers. Hell 26 innocent children were slaughtered days ago. So my point is that doesn't make them evil and the USA, and its citizens perfect or make us better than Afghanistian. Look at the big picture and take off the blinders hating an enemy is easy, believing you are worth more than them because you have a bigger gun is stupid. Trying to crush the Taliban and allow students access to a real education is the only true way to change Afghanistian for the better. You may not agree with me but understand we are no better, just are circumstances are different.

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#1.15 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:25 AM EST
Ledapex62Deleted

You might all be amazed at the # of military who are or have been over there, who feel the same way as N. Sterling. Blowing the place up and starting over.

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#1.17 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:07 AM EST

Janine, wow is this something you know about first hand through like a poll or something or just a drunken night hanging out at the VFW and getting lucky? I guess what would amaze me based on your comment, is you have probably never had an original thought. If you do please put it to paper so we all can enjoy your profound wisdom.

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#1.18 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:20 AM EST

We need to stop comparing our culture with that of Afhanistan's.If you really have read their history,Then you would know how different they are from us.One of our biggest problems in Afghanistan is that the U.N is not being forcefull enoughTheir culture respects power when it is used correctly.However, right now we are trying to be MR FRIENDLY and flashing money around.Both the Taliban and the people know that the U.S will be leaving soon.The people of Afghanistan who have supported us know all too well what their fate will be when we leave.The Taliban will move in and exterminate all who supported the U.S in any way shape, or form.The Taliban knew from the begining that all they had to do was wait the U.S out.Then as usual,The U.S would pull out and leave,not finishing what they started.

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#1.19 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:51 AM EST

glove--- the people are also mad that the U.S is leaving.The feel that we are going to abandon them to the Taliban.The on;y ones g;ad to see us leave is the Taliban.I am sure they are already planning their revenge on the people who supported us.

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#1.20 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:54 AM EST

Add the ungrateful and backstabbing Pakistan to it.

Pakis are responsible for half of NATO forces deaths.

"Earlier this year, U.S. military officials briefly suspended the training of Afghan Local Police (ALP) in the wake of a deadly series of insider killings, also known as ‘green on blue’ attacks."

In this case, it is US police advisor.

And people expect the NATO forces soldiers to follow all human rights manuals of eath!

Do those, who sent NATO forces to Afghanistan, knew that Afghanistan and Iraq are the toughest battle zones on earth?

With "strategic allies" like Pakis and Saudis, one does not need enemies.

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#1.21 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:56 AM EST
Ledapex62Deleted

It sounds to me like afghanistan is trying to start a war with the U.S.A.

If that's the case than we should just carpet bomb the place with Daisy Cutters.

Let the taliban have the place first then use our WMDs.

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#1.23 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:26 AM EST

To all who 'just want to pack up and leave'......

but, but, but, but......what about the pipeline? We can't just let somebody else have control over it!! I don't care if the Soviet Union did dissolve over Afghanistan, damn it, we're the world leaders in the petroleum bidness and by god we'll have control over it or nobody will......even if means we have to dissolvel!!

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#1.24 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:32 AM EST

There sure are a lot of anti-americans on here. glove49 you sound like you are still on a drunken night out. If you want to think of yourself as being as lowlife as the taliban, then that is up to you, so shut up because that is what the taliban would say to you, if they don't kill you for being useless and ignorant.

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#1.25 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:37 AM EST

Just look at the face value - nobody attacks just one target; he/she waits for an opportunity at a multiple. This looks more like the shooting of a dick - which is most often the cause of this stuff and there's no shortage of American egos who act that way. So many of you who hate Afghans have never met one and forgot how we got there.

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#1.26 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:46 AM EST

You have to be criminally insane to continue the war in Afghanistan. It is actually the corrupt US politicians who are killing our people there by insisting that this stupid war continues to drag on. This war only benefits the well connected US war profiteers.

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#1.27 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:54 AM EST

Dman. Are you stupid. Most of the Afghans are Murdereds. Serling is correct. If the U.S. cant take out a country like Afghanistan, god help us if we get into something serious. The Republicans just want war so that they can take over Minerals in a given country. George Bush, Chaney, Rummy, Rice and all of the rest of those clowns should be tried in the Hague.

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#1.28 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:55 AM EST

Wolfhound, I agree with you and this is not the first time we have abandoned that region. We are there because of natural resources. We left after we helped them defeat Russia. We got what we wanted then turned and ran. The Taliban is waiting, and their culture might be drastically different but humanity is the same. The tribunal regions could be compared to the wild west were guns and force rule the day. That is why we have a least attempted to create a militia and police force to help protect the public when we depart. Like any organization even in the USA evil people infiltrate and create havoc. It will be up to Afghans to fight for freedom when we leave, if they do not self-police and govern we at least attempted to create change.

    #1.29 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:15 AM EST

    US and NATO forces allies have to take tough decisions.

    In Afghanistan, Pakis have backstabbed the US and NATO forces big time. Half of NATO forces deaths are due to ungrateful and backstabbing Pakis.

    When the NATO forces were entering Kandahar in 2001, Pakis airlifted key al-Qaida, Taliban, ISI and others militants by back door from Kandahar.

    This includes Mullah Omar, Osama and many including Paki Haqqani militant network leaders.

    Hope people remember about Pakis sheltering Osama.

    These Paki Islamic religious Nazis don't bother about their people and they are into reckless killing games in the name of jihad.

    Drone attacks are not enough. To reduce NATO forces losses, carpet bomb Paki militant areas just like 1991 Iraqi war.

    Or else just get out right now.

    If we are going to say bye, bye, then we should not go near Afghanistan and Pakistan even for "humanitarian" reasons and no more of our tax monies.

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    #1.30 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:17 AM EST

    SallyinChicago - your comment has to win first prize for the most moronic opine on the blog today. If you think that the USA is no better than Afghanistan I feel sorry for you. You dribble the same old left-wing anti-capitalist BS that blames everything on Republicans, Corporations, and others. Your pre-9/11 comment about Texas Oil Companies doing business with the Taliban had me seriously wonder about your mental health. You DO know that there is virtually no oil or natural gas in Afghanistan, and surely you must know that the Taliban controlled ONLY Afghanistan prior to 9/11. What did the Texas Oil companies want to buy from them - goat hair to insulate their oil pipes??? I'm frankly getting really tired of all the apologetic droids that are forever making excuses for this nations actions and history. You're worse than the Taliban - Give it a break!

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    #1.31 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:29 AM EST

    Iamnotyou please put the crack pipe down and actually read my comments. Wait, quick flash inside your pea brain. " I am an American let's bomb the hell out of everyone, especially the dark people; duh pass the blunt dude." Okay back in the real world were humanity lives, wiping everyone off the planet we do not agree with is not only juvenile but totally simplistic. Here's to you finding some rational grown-up thoughts and ideas this coming year.

      #1.32 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:45 AM EST

      Let's leave this sh*t hole of rock, mountains, and desert! Cut all Aid and let this dump fade into time! One argument is that "it will become part of the terrorist regime of the mid east"...... IT ALREADY IS!! I have plan....our new and veteran pilots need practice. After we pull out, every few weeks lets have a 100 plane strafe run on select targets and if a few planes "get off course ;)" we can add a few targets in Iran in the mix!!!

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      #1.33 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:54 AM EST

      JP-354666, In your amazing understanding of the region why is everyone so interested in Afghanistan. The Russians were trying to gain control over the region for ten years, and now the USA has been there for the same time frame. What is your assessment since you want to name call Sally for being correct? We are all waiting why the US would allocate troops and resources for that long. Please JP enlighten the ignorant with your vast knowledge about the region.

        #1.34 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:03 AM EST

        should we really be anywhere where we not only have to be carefull what they think about us BUT have to pay for the honor??? This includes Germany etc where they want us there for their protection in case of big trouble BUT we pay rent for our bases and all our military buy stuff there.

        It is time to say no more US money being spent to protect people (bases should be free to us), no more allowing people to come/work and start business if we aren't allowed to in their country. Thousands come here and work year round (without becoming US citizens) while US citizens are only allowed to work in those countries 6 months a year without taxes going through the roof.. ie Gabon, Nigeria, Mozambique etc.... Guess it is time to treat the world as we are treated?????

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        #1.35 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:40 AM EST

        @glove49

        My eyes are not turned by atrocities when Taliban set IED's meant to kill U.S. Forces maimed little children who gives them medical aid we do not the Taliban because they do not value human life. Some locals like us some don't but everybody can't be happy and some people do not want to be help. Afghanistan to me is a situation where someone that has never been over there will not understand I think you are in that boat. You said the Taliban are the enemy very smart but you fail to realize that they are intermingled with the local populace using fear and intimidation as a weapon that's one of the difficult parts of fighting an insurgency knowing who your enemy is. Children not going to school is not just a problem in rural area's some of it is local. And yes some people over there are Evil and do not want out help. If you have not been over there all you say to me is cannon fodder. The big picture the average grunt is not concerned with the big picture I take personal offense when people say that look at the big picture; try to understand the person who is shooting at you because something you did may have offended them or there culture pure B.S. We have Team's and elements to engage locals and Haji's, and elders for that purpose. That statement was spoken like a true REMF.

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        #1.36 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 2:04 PM EST

        Start 'Offing' these filthy backstabbing scum's FAMILIES and you'll see that crap come to a screeching halt, but unfortunately, we'll never see it........get the Hell out of that Hell hole and "nuke it from orbit."

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        #1.37 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 2:06 PM EST

        Richard, how many American lives is that "little bit of dignity" worth? In 'nam, it cost about 10,000.

        We withdrew in 1973 on the same terms we could have accepted in 1969.

          #1.38 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 2:07 PM EST

          All of these FOOLS need to stay the @!$%# out of these stoneage countries. They get just what they deserve , and if they are killed TOO DAMN BAD!!!!

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          #1.39 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:53 PM EST

          My question is if this Afghan police woman was apprehended or was she killed? Afghans committing these murders are often on the payroll of the Taliban.Their families are destitute and many see this as a way to give them some economic relief.It's sick to say the least but this is the result of an uneducated and poverty stricken society.

            #1.40 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:21 PM EST

            @N.Serling, Let me be clear I do not have a personal beef with you or your service the problems are complex and America cannot change decades of backwards thinking by people clinging to power overnight. Just like in Vietnam some people wanted our help other's did not, their choice their country. Many people in America do not use resources to help themselves, and we can't force them with guns. When people have been oppressed for so long having real freedoms can be frightening. Look at the Communist regimes that have taken on a more democratic government, change is painful and bloody at times. You are down in the @!$%# and it has to be frustrating when civilians do not get on board. The Afghans have to trust and believe when we depart, they will not be annihilated for working with the US. Finally, my issue is with your statement about destroying an entire population because some of the people are evil and want us dead. That would be like saying a dog mauled me, so I am going to wipe out and kill all dogs. That kind of thinking is said out of anger and frustration, understandable when you are trying to improve people's lives, and it just seems like they want to kill you. You are getting shot at today not me. I respect that and completely realize that is never fun. Remember one last thing though you signed up, you were not drafted; you wanted to be there. The Afghans were never asked or signed up for anything we just showed up with our gear and started blowing things up. God bless you and keep you safe.

              #1.41 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:04 PM EST

              maybe president karzai can pass some gun laws, so the shooting will stop, because we all know that passing gun laws stop bad people from getting guns...what we need is, if you own guns they have to be locked in gun safes....

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              #1.43 - Tue Dec 25, 2012 1:58 AM EST

              Johnnynt: Nice try, but your post when completely over their heads.

              Should have asked them to google Caspian Oil pipeline.

              Might want them to google rare earth mineral deposits in Afghanistan as well.

              Yea, culturally , it's a S$%^h*$% , but resource wise??? China will love them.

              China is already getting the mining contracts.

                #1.44 - Tue Dec 25, 2012 11:35 AM EST

                And now for the rest of the story.....

                the woman was Iranian.

                http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20121224/AS.Afghanistan/

                  #1.45 - Tue Dec 25, 2012 12:42 PM EST

                  Too many voters embrace feel-good propaganda that they want to hear instead of learning the basic facts about issues they care about. They should do a better job of calling out dishonest politicians -- and shunning media outlets that stoke political food fights.

                  http://money.msn.com/investing/11-things-wrong-with-congress

                  Facts:

                  1. Afghanistan was a 20th Century US Ally as Built up by the US from the 1950s till the 1979 USSR 40th Army Occupation.

                  2. During Operation Cyclone the US trained, organized, armed the 1980s Pro US Afghan Muhajeen to defeat the USSR 40th Army Occupation. The 1980s Pro US Afghan Muhajeen were NOT the later 1990s Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban fully supported by the USSR Backed Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran. After the US abandoned US Ally 1980s Pro US Afghan Muhajeen; the 1990s Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban massacred the 1980s Pro US Afghan Muhajeen, then started massacring any "suspected" Collaborators to the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers; then without any more opposition the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban started to destroy 20th Century Afghanistan's "Western", "Modern", "Non Islamic".

                  3. The hundreds of thousands of Overpaid Too Expensive Privileged US Civilians (most being Non Combatants) that were sent here (Afghanistan) and Iraq (250,000) since President Obama's August 2009 US Civilian Surges do NOT belong in a Combat (War) Zone. ESPECIALLY, those that do not know the Language(s) and the Culture(s). This (these US Civilian's paychecks) is where your Billions per year is going to, and NOT the US Military (below minimum wages) nor the Afghans; US Embassies Pakistan, Afghanistan, Libya, also like Iraq's 1 Billion US Embassy that requires 1 Billion per year to operate (as the reason stated pertaining to Libya by SOS Clinton, "Funding was not an issue").

                  4. Ever since the British Colonies, the British knew that Pakistan (Sea Ports, Logistics Bases, Khyber Pass) was Mandatory for Logistics Support for any "British Adventures" at Landlocked Afghanistan. Due to President Obama's Failed (Foreign) Policies Losses of the US Military Logistics Support Basesand MQ/RQ (Drone) Bases at Pakistan to Support the UN Mission Afghanistan, without these US Military Logistics Support Bases a maximum of 30,000 UN Mission Military Forces can be supported. This is the real reason why the US, NATO Military Forces must withdraw and abandon US Ally Afghanistan once again (like 1990s) to get massacred by the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban again, not some lame Politician's excuse.

                  5. Also due to President Obama's Failed (Foreign) Policies (2009), the Fundamentalist Islamic ShiaRepublic of Iran placed pressure (threat of Iranian Military) on Iraq (US Must Leave, No more Negotiations with President Obama nor SOS Clinton; Iraqis Oil goes to the Allies of the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran, the Russian Federation and Chinese ), Pakistan (no more US Military Bases nor NATO Bases), Afghanistan the Mineral Wealth goes to the Ally of the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran, the Chinese, China Metallurgical Group; the Ayatollahs of the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran increased their Overt and Covert Activities against the US and US Allies Worldwide (Egypt (Muslim Brotherhood), Libya (Libyan Islamic Fighting Group), Iraq (Al Quada Iraq and Kurdistanis PKK, HPG, KGK), Yemen (Al Quada Yemen), Somalia (Al Sheebah), Pakistan (Army of Islam, Pakistanis Taliban, etc.), South and Central Americas (Hamas Foreign Fighters, Hezbollah), Palestine and Gaza (Hamas Foreign Fighters, Army of Islam (Gaza), etc.), Afghanistan (Taliban, Al Quada, etc.), etc. as trained, armed and funded by the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran's Special Forces, Quds, at the Fundamentalist Islamic Autonomous Kurdistanis Region).

                  Sad to say as his Duty as a US Military Officer, President Obama's Appointed Registered Demoncrap General McChrystal attempted to warn the US Public after the US Politicians refused to listen about the above and those matters that were resulting in the unnecessary deaths of the US Citizens of the US Military of his Command (Responsibility and Accountability). I wanted General McChrystal to demand his Legal Right toa Public US Congressional Hearing that would have made Public all of the "This Administration Does Not Know What It Is Doing", instead of the Public US Congressional Hearing, as a loyal Demoncrap he accepted President Obama's Deal to retire as a Four Star General instead of a Three Star Lieutenant General for President Obama to get his Letter of Resignation; since President Obama did not have a Legal leg to stand on (Relief for Cause(s) under the UCMJ).

                  6. I previously posted, just how WRONG most of you are about your "Karzai Corrupt", as it was President Karzai that demanded that General McChrystal Investigate President Obama's Political Appointees Holbrooke and Eikenberry's spending of Billions USDs that they (US Department of State) only had access to, and the results of nothing being built nor done as they had promised President Karzai. President Obama's Political Appointees Holbrooke and Eikenberry started to deflect blame from themselves during General McChystal's Investigations by saying "Karzai Corrupt" (giving the Taliban, Al Quada, etc. the Strategic Asymmetric Warfare Goals of "Undermining a US Ally's Established Government", "(Taliban, Al Quada, etc.) Gain more Local Support", "(Taliban, Al Quada, etc.) Gain National Support", "(Taliban, Al Quada, etc.) Gain International Support", "(US and US Allies) Lose the Will To maintain the Fight".). When this did not work to stop the General McChrystal Investigations, President Obama's Political Appointees Holbrooke and Eikenberry start actions to get General McChrystal Relieved of Command since they had direct access to President Obama and SOS Clinton. After being replaced by General Petraeus, President Karzai asked General Petraeus to continue General McChrystal's Investigations. After General Petraeus completed the Investigations President Karzai read the Investigations, then demanded that President Obama's Political Appointees Holbrooke and Eikenberry account for every dime spent in his Country or leave; President Obama's Political Appointee Holbrooke "strains his heart" and dies at Pakistan on the operating table; President Obama's Political Appointee Eikenberry Tendered his Letter of Resignation to President Obama (US Congress must investigate and demand that President Obama's Political Appointee Eikenberry account for the Billions USDs spent.).

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                  #1.46 - Tue Dec 25, 2012 5:47 PM EST
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                  Not even a US service member, but just as sad and just as infuriating. I wonder why this didn't get higher billing on MSN?

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                  Reply#2 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:39 AM EST

                  top of the page. If I disliked MSN that much I would just go to FOX.

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                  #2.1 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:25 AM EST

                  Quietly reported like the murder of all the members of Seal Team 6 last spring.

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                  #2.2 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:52 AM EST

                  Why would you think? We continue to loose our good people to those that do not want our help and have no issues with KILLING as many of our people as they can. But yet we stay. No reason not to get out of there now. Your POUS could make that order now but he wont. Why would you think he would. Think of it this way you go out one night,end up in a place that no one really likes you but you are bringing in gifts, money to hand out, help in anyway you think would be good weather they think is or isnt,and yet they attempt to take your life or did take a friends life. WOULD YOU STAY THERE?

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                  #2.3 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:06 AM EST

                  Some of these people are turning on us because they feel we are abandoning them to the Taliban.After we leave the Taliban will take over and things will be back to the way they were before.So why should the people back us up when we are the ones bailing out on them?

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                  #2.4 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:57 AM EST

                  Not even a US service member, but just as sad and just as infuriating.

                  Most civilian contractors are ex military. They know the dangers going over there. Even those that have never served know this.

                  Since our government has made the military a private enterprise, troops can make 5 times more if they leave the military and get the same exact job they were doing but now doing it as a civilian.

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                  #2.5 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:22 AM EST

                  I totally agree with the statements of they just need to be wiped out. You can't fix stupid and this breed of people is. They are mind warped, the one's that have a chance, have already left the crap hole they call Afghanistan.

                  Not one thing have they contributed to the world except terrorism.

                  we have funded them to change, taught them how to change, but they are rabid and turn their backs in a heart beat.

                  They will never change, it's dog eat dog world, and let's be the big dog and euthanize these critters.

                  Then when were done with that crap hole, burn the Syrian govt to the ground.

                    #2.6 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:19 PM EST

                    That's POTUS... no POUS...

                      #2.7 - Fri Jan 4, 2013 8:52 PM EST
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                      Just think, Obama has condemned us to 10 more years of this kind of news story. Its pathetic that the money he is spending in that country isn't being used to build our economy rather than destroying it.

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                      #3 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:53 AM EST

                      10 years, did I miss something?

                        #3.1 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:13 AM EST

                        Confussed

                        Yes you did. Obama has committed funds and troops to that country for another ten years. Do you know that Obama is spending $20 million each to develop children's TV programs in countries like Pakistan?

                        Obama likes to borrow money and give it away to foreign countries. He thinks he can buy friendship, but what he is doing is just putting this country deeper in debt and making it harder and harder to get out of his debt crisis.

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                        #3.2 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:26 AM EST

                        Gotta go with the Prez. on the TV programing. TV, internet and cell phones are doing more to spread freedom and democratic ideals around the world than all of our military might. However, if he doesn't get the troops out of Afghnistan by 2014, as promised, I may want my vote back.

                        • 2 votes
                        #3.3 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:51 AM EST

                        It's just part of Obamas plan to spend America into bankruptcy. He's almost accomplished that part of his mission.

                        • 7 votes
                        #3.4 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:54 AM EST

                        I guess trying to build international relations with these countries is not in our best interest. Let Russia, Iran, North Korea, or China build relations with them.

                        • 3 votes
                        #3.5 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:57 AM EST

                        It's just part of Obamas plan to spend America into bankruptcy. He's almost accomplished that part of his mission

                        Above is a real example of bad right wing propoganda which cost you clowns the last election Please keep it up or at least ptove what you say. In fact Obama does not spend Congress does he just approves what they send him. Thos things were part of the entire package of things we gae Pakistan in order for us to have their backing in the war against the taliban and AlQueda and was probably ok'd by the Bush admin who dropped the ball mightyly and the reason we are still there.

                        • 3 votes
                        #3.6 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:25 AM EST

                        Frank the election is over. You lost, better luck next time. Now get over it!

                        • 3 votes
                        #3.7 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:26 AM EST

                        @Den O'synn You expect troops out by 2014? lol lol lol

                        Here's a quote for you.....

                        "After 18 months, our troops will begin to come home … Our troop commitment in Afghanistan cannot be open-ended – because the nation that I'm most interested in building is our own." - President Obama, December 1st, 2009.

                        • 3 votes
                        #3.8 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:37 AM EST

                        But Obama will not approve anything that comes from the GOP. So it is pointless. Hes gonna do what he wants no matter what,thanks to you clowns. His plan is working just fine. You just continue to keep watching with closed eyes and maybe soon you will open them. He has no plans to leave and is working on another war now, He is just as much a war monger as our past POUS. He just better at hiding it. Remember he is a great organizer.

                          #3.9 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:13 AM EST

                          What happened, your trolling Obama didn't give them squat as far as money goes that is your Senators from the Bush era saying they would need this much funding for however long. It doesn't matter what Karzi says publicly to his people as long as he does what we want. Have you ever heard or Politics? Than you throw in about childrens TV, What a Troll you are. If you want to get something accomplished you must first get the lies out of the equasion. So when you Trolls inject Lies in to the issue you are making the problem worse and not helping anything on a solution.

                          • 1 vote
                          #3.10 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:51 AM EST

                          Confussed-1578043

                          10 years, did I miss something?

                          +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

                          Well, the truth is, Leon Panetta said the USA will never leave. He said that recently. I suppose there's still a lot of money to be made, to pull out now.

                          • 2 votes
                          #3.11 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:58 AM EST

                          Guy get's his comment collapsed for being accurate.

                          We will have over 10,000 troops there for the next 12 years per Obama's plan.

                          A plan he approved before the election but forgot to mention.

                          • 3 votes
                          #3.12 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:38 AM EST

                          @Confused:

                          May, 2012: Obama flew to Kabul to sign a strategic agreement that commits the United States to a military and economic relationship with Afghanistan beyond 2014. But doing so on the anniversary of the raid that killed bin Laden has opened the president to criticism that he is inappropriately politicizing a military achievement for election-year gain.

                          • 2 votes
                          #3.13 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:38 AM EST

                          All in all this new administration has no clue how to turn around what Bush did. I guess 5 years and counting they will just do what is easy. Play the blame game. I do not have regrets but voting for Obama (1st term) was definitely a mistake.

                          • 1 vote
                          #3.14 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:40 AM EST

                          Your avatar is disrespectful to the military. Quit using a military message of loss of life for a political statement.

                            #3.15 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:34 AM EST

                            Bush, Obama, Panetta, Petraeus, McCain, and other politicians should be Rotting in Prison right now for keeping this war going and getting our people Murdered for Absolutely NOTHING.

                              #3.16 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:44 AM EST

                              Dagnabbit5

                              @Den O'synn You expect troops out by 2014? lol lol lol

                              Here's a quote for you.....

                              "After 18 months, our troops will begin to come home … Our troop commitment in Afghanistan cannot be open-ended – because the nation that I'm most interested in building is our own." - President Obama, December 1st, 2009.

                              _______________________________________________________________

                              Good morning Dagnabbit5,,,,,,,

                              ,,,,,,, and here is a quote for you;

                              Barack Obama Promise to End War

                              "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the
                              time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home.
                              We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank. "
                              - Barack Obama Campaign Promise - October 27, 2007

                              .

                              This is blood on Obama's hands at this point. We have no business in Afghanistan nor Iraq except to enrich the military industrial complex and the bankers who profit from it all.

                              Afghanistan should have been over 9 years ago. And now, despite his hollow campaign promises, Obama has promised another 10 years of involvement in that @!$%#e hole.

                              .

                              (And no, this has nothing to do with the election or elections being over,,,, I voted, but not for Obama or Romney. They both suck, Romney just sucked more.)

                              .

                              We are so much better of a country than this people. We need a true leader we can unite behind. It is well past time to clean house , to put our own country in order and set a true course internationally.

                              .

                                #3.17 - Tue Dec 25, 2012 8:30 AM EST
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                                An "insider attack"? The person/people you are working with turn their weapons on you? Wow!

                                Controlling the world's heroin production doesn't come cheap.

                                • 11 votes
                                Reply#4 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:54 AM EST

                                It is odd that a woman did the shooting.Considering how the Taliban feel about women.Anything else a little fishy here?

                                • 4 votes
                                #4.1 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:00 AM EST

                                The person/people you are working with turn their weapons on you? Wow!

                                Happens every year here in the U.S.

                                Just because we are separated by half the planet, doesn't mean we are not part of the same self serving species.

                                  #4.2 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:24 AM EST

                                  Wolfhound27 -- There is definitely more to this story. Maybe the man raped her or molested one of her children.

                                    #4.3 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:22 AM EST

                                    Wolfhound: Anything else a little fishy here?

                                    It's funny because it was a woman that did the shooting.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #4.4 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:47 PM EST
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                                    Heroin production in Afghanistan has increased every year since 2001.

                                    90% of the world's heroin comes from Afghanistan.

                                    • 12 votes
                                    Reply#5 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:59 AM EST

                                    Why are we wasting time with this country? We need to end this war now!

                                    • 12 votes
                                    Reply#6 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:59 AM EST

                                    HEROIN!

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #6.1 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:03 AM EST

                                    fine Bill i agree..let's end the war...Just get the politicians out of the way,turn the war over to the military and cut the leash.The Taliban would'nt last long if we really got serious about taking them out.Remember,You don't fight a war to break EVEN,You fight a war to WIN,or you will LOSE.

                                    • 3 votes
                                    #6.2 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:05 AM EST
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                                    Did this crazy lady play videogames? What kind of videogames are popular in Afghanistan? Is ISAF supplying Afghans with Xbox and Playstations? o my gosh

                                    We surely hope that videogames don't lose us this war. What's the videogame that led to the gang rape in India or the suicide of the Commander of SEAL Team 4? Damn those videogames. It's like they are everywhere and poisoning the minds of otherwise stable individuals.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    Reply#7 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:01 AM EST

                                    Lame reply. Trying to bring gun control into a totally different subject. What a dumba**. Control your dumb opinionated urges.

                                    • 7 votes
                                    #7.1 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:37 AM EST
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                                    5,800 tons of heroin were produced in Afghanistan last year. Up from 185 tons the year we invaded.

                                    Oh, you mean you didn't know the Afghanistan war amounts to control of the worlds heroin trade, and a huge financial windfall for the overlords.... Hope your kid didn't get killed over there for this, and if he did, I hope you don't think it was for "freedom".

                                    • 2 votes
                                    Reply#8 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:03 AM EST

                                    Latin America evolved as the primary supplier of heroin to the United States, with Mexican heroin most prevalent west of the Mississippi and Colombian heroin most prevalent east of it. Europe, Asia, Iran get theirs from Afghanistan. Afghanistan holds a wealth of resources The sheer size of the deposits – including copper, gold, iron and cobalt as well as vast amounts of lithium. Just google the resources found in Afghanistan

                                    • 3 votes
                                    #8.1 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:44 AM EST

                                    Smoker, you have hit on something that is how America has financed numerous wars and conflicts. Not sure about your numbers they seem a little exaggerated and what was the source. I am still under no delusions that if we wanted to kill the opium production, our troops could have sprayed, bombed, or burnt the crop every season. It should not be that hard to spot especially in a region with little cover. So obviously in ten plus years we have not seen fit to stop the production.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #8.2 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:55 AM EST

                                    Not exaggerated at all. These figures have been reported in mainstream media.

                                      #8.3 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:44 AM EST
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                                      So, does the Taliban join the Government or does the Government join the Taliban - or do they need another few hundred years of subjugation by the rule of the holy violently insane? Do I really give a flying biscuit about Karzai or who lives by what code in South-East Asia? No, other than the fact that we've already pissed away $trillions (total by scheduled 'exit' in 2014) - so now we have Congress (Republicans) saying we need to raise the Medicare enrollment age and reduce future Social Security payouts to our seniors. I'd rather we hastened our withdrawal.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      Reply#9 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:18 AM EST

                                      When we pull out we can say we were beaten by politics and money,not the enemy.

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #9.1 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:09 AM EST
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                                      I would not trust anyone or let down my guard around any local Afghan.

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                                      Reply#10 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:38 AM EST

                                      good logic.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #10.1 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:09 AM EST
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                                      I love you GOP dorks. Your blaming OBAMA for this mess, seriously, are your memories truely that short? BUSH, you God, your mesiah, started this SHET. Obama is just stuck cleaning it up. And yes, we are still planning on pulling out in 2014. If we spent even HALF of the money we spent fixing that crappy country on our own we would be way better off.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      Reply#11 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:43 AM EST

                                      Obama is in office now, what happen from here on out is on him. Bush put us in the situation, but Obama continues to keep us in the situation.

                                      • 4 votes
                                      #11.1 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:45 AM EST

                                      Don't expect Democrats to stop blaming everything on Bush until at least Hillary's second term.

                                      • 4 votes
                                      #11.2 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:05 AM EST

                                      Bush is blamed for what he did and will be until it is cleaned up You right wingers are blaming carter and Clinton stil so STFU

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #11.3 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:28 AM EST

                                      obom cannot clean his own ass so how do you think he can clean this up. all he can do is give stuff away to get votes and destroy our country. talking about being @!$%#ing brain washed.

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #11.4 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:21 AM EST

                                      why did'nt Obama pull us out with the 1st year of his term?He got the Nobel peace prize for what? the surge?Bush may have started it but Obama continued it.

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #11.5 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:11 AM EST
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                                      Just remove our troops and let the cards fall as they may. We cannot control the outcome of human nature or the emotional makeup of every afghanistan citizen. Just bring all Americans home and see how the cards fall for the people of afghanistan. Regardless the outcome will be the same in the end.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      Reply#12 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:49 AM EST

                                      There are no cards to is.The Taliban will be back in power soo after we are gone.No guessing game there.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #12.1 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:13 AM EST

                                      So the end result is the same.

                                        #12.2 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:19 AM EST
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                                        Afghanistan is hopeless. Always was, always will be. Get us out of there! The war was a tragic error from day one.

                                        • 6 votes
                                        Reply#13 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:57 AM EST

                                        you are right Greg.If we had gone in there with the intent to win things might have been different.

                                        • 2 votes
                                        #13.1 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:14 AM EST
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                                        Maybe he was shot because that person had relatives killed by our troops? Not saying I agree with her shooting him, but the United States isn't some magical nation that does no wrong like people have been brainwashed into thinking. A large portion of the world doesn't hate us for absolutely no reason. I can't claim to know the whole truth, but common sense should tell you that there's a lot more to these wars than our government tells us.

                                        • 1 vote
                                        Reply#14 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:07 AM EST

                                        OH! How Afghans love Americans. He MUST have been trying to give her lessons about the um! er! VIRTUES of women's rights and freedom of choice and action that enthralled her so much that she fired her weapon in the belief that she was giving him a kiss.

                                          Reply#15 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:14 AM EST

                                          This is the FIRST insider attack on an ISAF member by an Afghani WOMAN police. Happened at the Kabul police headquarters too. In 2012 there has been 52 foreign forces' deaths by 'insider- green on blue' killings. US ISAF member was teaching- and the woman police just turned on him. nother ISAF member killed in eastern Afghanistan. In Paris there are Peace Negotiations between Taliban- Afghan government. The Taliban negotiators are from Mullah Omar's Group (whom US Forces ousted in 2001). Now they want to share Power in the g'ment- strictly Islamic -foreigners out. These police tutors from US/ISAF countries have given their very best in trying to teach Afghanis the basics in police work- they could have stayed in their own countries protecting their own- their advancement. Condolences to his family-fellow blues- in the line of duty in Kabul.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          Reply#16 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:00 AM EST

                                          Hmmm! As though they are doing CHARITABLE work for the good of Afghans without ANY thoughts about benifits (riches) for themselves. OOOOH! Americans are so CHARITABLE.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #16.1 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:18 AM EST

                                          awabnavi you been brainwashed by the Taliban. Go eat some pork you'll feel better. Americans are charitable. What is Afghanistan going to do without them. Turn into an industrial nation and become a developed country? Wake up, you're just a fool who can be tricked into wearing a special taliban vest.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #16.2 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:09 AM EST
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                                          Now that Kerry is going to be Sec of State we can give him a bigger Thanks! For Nothing! for voting us into Frankinstan (and Iraq too, he voted for invading Iraq). Come to think of it, Hillary, our current Sec of State is equally the warmonger.

                                          Stop supporting the Military/Industrial/Congressional Complex.

                                            Reply#17 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:08 AM EST

                                            Lets keep aided these savages, and worry about our own thats become the american way i guess we are in troble in this country going over the cliff it maybe time just to let the rest of the world defend there selfs. Now if we were going over there to actally just take over and make it us property i support it more but right now we are in another vietnam and it sad the way the goverment of us is doing us.

                                              Reply#18 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:13 AM EST

                                              good. only the military should be there to start with. if not for the money they make civilians would not be there to start with.

                                              • 1 vote
                                              Reply#19 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:18 AM EST

                                              Here is an idea. Lets turn our guns on every Afghan in that god forsaken hellhole and take the mineral resources we have bought and paid for ten times over!

                                              • 2 votes
                                              Reply#20 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:44 AM EST

                                              GENOCIDE, Eh! Just like you WHITES have done in the Americas, Australia, New Zealand, West Indies, etc. You white Christians are so GOOOOOOD!

                                              • 1 vote
                                              #20.1 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:07 AM EST

                                              dbeckerny The Afghans are the victims and this country as well as the Taliban made them the victims. There would have been no Taliban if Reagan had not created them and the terrorists who bombed the trade center were from Saudia Arabia so what gives this country any right to kill innocent people?

                                              • 2 votes
                                              #20.2 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:17 AM EST

                                              They are victims only because they let themselves become victims. I don't call a trainee shooting someone who is trying too help them a victim. I call that person an instigator.

                                              • 1 vote
                                              #20.3 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:31 AM EST

                                              awabnavi historically you're right, but who is doing all the killing, murder, genocide and terror in modern times?

                                              • 1 vote
                                              #20.4 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:06 AM EST

                                              prog.1 - There would have been no Taliban if Reagan had not created them

                                              ***********************************UNEDUCATED POST***********************************

                                              Read post #1.46.

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                                              #20.5 - Tue Dec 25, 2012 6:34 PM EST
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                                              Its trajic for the poor soul that lost his life.RIP

                                              But didnt NBC(national broadcasters of communism)Run a piece a week ago about these POOR camel jocket mooslim savages about how they were being MIS-TREATED be their own fellow officers raped and molested.Now do all libs still feel sorry for these POOR women.I dont!

                                              • 1 vote
                                              Reply#21 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:05 AM EST

                                              It's tragic you don't use your spell check.

                                              • 2 votes
                                              #21.1 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:11 AM EST

                                              SS4646 Your comment made me laugh but for the love of Santa Claus, you nailed it dubsak20 unless English is your second language, there is no excuse. Spell check is just a click away. Thank you and enjoy your holiday.

                                                #21.2 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:59 PM EST
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                                                Obama is wrong, Bush was wrong, Reagan was wrong for creating the Taliban and any civillian or soldier who is in Afghanistan voluntarily on multiple tours is misguided. With an all voluntary force if a soldier did not want to particpate, surely they could have found another way to make a living when they saw the war was useless.

                                                • 2 votes
                                                Reply#22 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:13 AM EST

                                                Unbelieveable,You have managed to insult the entire U.S military in one posting.Obviously you think your freedoms were a birth right handed to you on a silver platter.After 29 years in the Army you are not even worth my time.

                                                • 2 votes
                                                #22.1 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:33 AM EST

                                                prog.1 is following the footsteps of the antiwar campaign of the vietnam era. He doesn't mind spitting on our troops.

                                                • 2 votes
                                                #22.2 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:16 AM EST
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                                                Since Bush is still in office, do you think Obama can stop acting like he's the President. Life has been great since Obama has taken office. We just need to legalize marijuana and prostitution and we be pimpin and livin large on the government.

                                                • 3 votes
                                                Reply#23 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:16 AM EST

                                                Are you OK? Finished your drink?

                                                  #23.1 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:20 AM EST

                                                  There are two crimes that should be immediately made legal in this country, some type of personal use of pot and prostitution. If making them legal creates more problems then they can always be outlawed again. Japan has the right idea about prostitution and that is to make it a highly respected profession. Obama is a hardliner against making pot legal and there is no discussion of making prostitution legal.

                                                  • 2 votes
                                                  #23.2 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:22 AM EST

                                                  Prostitution and marijuana can only make this country stronger. I am smoking a joint right now and I feel stronger. Now I just need to pick me up a couple of whores and have some clean fun with them before I go home and see the kids. I am liberal like that.

                                                    #23.3 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:23 AM EST
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                                                    I just sit here and laugh on most of your comments.Probably 95% of you bloggers havn't a clue about Aphganistan.I personaly was there back in the late 80's and early 90's consulting on drilling rigs.These people could care less about us.The ones I delt with would smile,shake your hand,and act like they were your best friend.As long as they knew they were getting money from you.I wouldn't trust any of them as far as I could throw them.They would just assume kill you as to look at you.You have to understand.These people have been fighting with each other for thousands of years over religion and land.THE ONLY REASON WE'RE THERE IS TO PROTECT OUR OIL INTEREST.We buy oil from them cheaper than pretty much anywhere else.The Taliban were using oil revenue to finance there cause,but they were also causing havoke and steeling from the legit oil producers.Thats the reason for us being over there.TO PROTECT OUR INTEREST.These people could care less about us.Especialy our beliefs.If we never jumped in bed with these people over oil.We would have never had an issue with the Taliban.But when you stick your nose into they're buisness.Of course they're going to try and make a statement.These people are crazy in they're beliefs.And niether us or anybody else will never end that.So you crazy people keep sending your comments.It gives me something to laugh at each mourning.

                                                    • 4 votes
                                                    Reply#24 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:22 AM EST

                                                    How much oil does this country get from Afghanistan?

                                                      #24.1 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:31 AM EST

                                                      None, but presumed that they have a substantial amount of undiscovered oil amongst other natural resources.

                                                        #24.2 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:26 AM EST

                                                        Oilman since you are the resident expert, I believe everything you say because you've been there. All joking aside. I wonder how many military, besides me, have been in Iraq and afghanistan for the past 10 years? Actually I was augmented for 2 years, but still the question remains what is their opinion.

                                                          #24.3 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:48 AM EST

                                                          Oilman49, you are correct they do not trust outsiders and why should they. The majority realized everyone wants the oil and could give rats ass about anything else. We could have helped them after their war with Russia, but we left vast regions that we supplied cut off to the resources we gave after we gained our objective. If we had been smarter than this conflict might not have been as bad today. America got the Russians out, but we let ethnic cleansing and other atrocities happen instead of trying to re-stabilize and help an ally. Some of these tribal regions will never stop the infighting it is just too ingrained. I am not saying it was our fault but quickly cutting-off aid and walking away cost far more in the long run. We seem more focused to converting them to our faith and beliefs, still a country like Afghanistan is not going to roll over for that anytime soon. Just like in this country solving a problem by throwing money at it and not really being in touch with the real issues always seems to fail. For example, look at are own schools. Anyhow great comment.

                                                          • 1 vote
                                                          #24.4 - Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:49 AM EST

                                                          oilman49 - I just sit here and laugh on most of your comments.Probably 95% of you bloggers havn't a clue about Aphganistan.I personaly was there back in the late 80's and early 90's consulting on drilling rigs.

                                                          LOL. Most of the uneducated of Newsvine believed your BULLSH!T. And are Too Lazy to even figure out why (you are full of Bullsh!t).

                                                          Go read post#1.46.

                                                          Hints: USSR 40th Army Occupation 1979 - 1989 (1990). 1990 till 2001 Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban Government locked down Afghanistan tighter than North Korea. What next you going to tell everyone that you are Russian (only ones the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban even allowed into Afghanistan, as even the International News Media was banned, only USSR Tass News Agency allowed.).

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                                                          #24.5 - Tue Dec 25, 2012 6:24 PM EST
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                                                          Another Obama F-up.

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