The only good Taliban commander is a dead one, and a drone sending a munitions package right up their wazu is the safest way to take these terrorists right out of the gene pool and straight to hell.

We need these drones especially in light of the fact there is no Covert Operations on the ground. While most Americans are focusing on the Economics issues thanks to our irresponsible leaders in Washington, Two retired CIA people are trying to engage Americans in a very important discussion. We the American people may actually get to vote on two very important issues and that is the issue of Interrogation and just as important the issue of Covert Operations. Henry Crumpton CIA retired brings up the interrogation issue While on his book tour. Here the American people are being asked to weigh the "comfort" of the suspect who is to be questioned against the lives to be spared by using whatever the CIA deems necessary in the questioning process. Here we must use logic and calm judgement. Voting "Yes" on this issue means that you have to trust CIA judgement and let them interrogate however they see fit to save lives. To vote "No" is to except responsibility for possibly thousands of American lives lost by not finding out where the next target to be hit is.

The next issue is equally important and that is about Covert Operations. Here Fred Rustmann also retired CIA brings this issue to the American people. We too may have to vote on this as well. First Mr. Rustmann tells us what Covert Operations are. Then again we the American people are confronted with the decision of if we vote "No" than there will be more American life loss because we will end up fighting a major war with many troops involved. To vote "Yes" is to except CIA Covert Operations with less life loss. In both cases of yes/ no votes we have to take responsibility for our choice. Here again we should be logical and calm about our choice. The CIA has in the past helped America keep it's first world position. We have slipped from first world due in part to stopping Covert actions. If we vote "Yes" for Covert Operation than we have to except that the CIA needs complete secrecy in order to do this which means a vote "Yes" means that we stop poking into CIA business and trust them to run their own operations without accusing them and forcing them to "spill the beans".

http://www.newsmax.com//Manage/Videos/VideoGallery/Rustmann#ooid=VoaGZrMzqZkDRzSYzOM_zuaYPcSD78Kp

The above link is an interview with Fred Rustmann on the issue of Covert Operations. My opinion is I side with Mr. Rustmann and think we should support our CIA and bring them back to the good old days when they could do their stuff like when Harry S. Trumann was in office. I also believe we need to interrogate these terrorists or we will be sorry.

"Nazir favored attacking American forces in Afghanistan rather than Pakistani soldiers in Pakistan, a position that put him at odds with some other Pakistan Taliban commanders but earned him a reputation as a "good" Taliban among some in the Pakistan military."

So, what sort of an ally Pakis are?

Nazir was atttacked by rival Taliban commanders and now he and his men are killed in drone attack!

Time has to come to make the most rabid Paki Islamic militant areas Cleanistan by carpet bombing.

I wish we had drones when Hitler was in power.

Nazir outraged many Pakistanis in June when he announced that he would not allow any polio vaccinations in territory under his control until the U.S. stops drone attacks in the region. Pakistan is one of three countries where polio is still endemic. Nine workers helping in anti-polio vaccination campaigns were killed last month by militant gunmen.

Wouldn't allow life saving vaccines to innocent families but yeah...they got weapons a'plenty.

Cleanistan??? It's been Genocidestan since 1947. This is a founding tradition near and dear to them.

5 - 10 thousand? at this guys funeral that was a job for a b-52!

They can run, but they can't hide. I can imagine how they must feel.

They do not have the technology or truly understand how a drone works.

They must constantly live in fear since they don't hear a dam thing until it's too late...BOOM!

Then they're in La La land with 12 virgins and palm tree everywhere. Guess that's the only thing have to look forward to.

5,000 to 10,000 people attended the funeral of Nazir and six other people held in Angoor Adda.

f hill has it right. B-52?! Hmmmm. Carpet bomb. Uh huh!

Opening for a more butal warlord has recently come avalible in Pakistan....

Cavalier

I bet your shoe size exceeds your IQ.

German technology sent the soviets to space, (remember they were there before the US), and got you to the moon, need help – just Google “Werner von Braun”.

So, if the drones existed then it would be the Germans flying them, so be careful with your wishes, mate.

“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt”.
- Abraham Lincoln

Cavalier

I bet your shoe size exceeds your IQ.

German technology sent the soviets to space, (remember they were there before the US), and got you to the moon, need help – just Google “Werner von Braun”.

Kalberg, he said he wished we had drones back then, not that we should or could have had them. I do too. It would have saved a great deal of trouble. But they were beyond the technological ability of any nation in the world at that time.

You use that idle, but totally understandable wish, to spout a series of gratuitous personal insults.

Very impressive, but not in the manner you suppose.

BTW: The Germans may have been technologically ahead of the U.S. and Great Britain at the start of WWII, but we did catch up, and in many respects passed the Germans. Remember, whether it was a good or a bad thing, it was the U.S., not Germany, which first produced a working nuclear bomb.

Keep up the effective drone strikes. I love them. Terrorists can kill without letting anyone in a market know they are gonna be blown up. Yet people cry when we kill them with drones. These are bad men who want to destroy my country. Kill them and let the next moron step up to take his place. Pakistan doesn't seem to care if they are allowing terrorists to live in their country. And since they can't do their job, we will do it for you.

@ORB

Amen.

How many children were in that house?

How many children has our drone attacks killed so far?

Taliban? Civil war... what Happened to al-CIADA

American occupation poppy production up 800%

No Government Monopoly over Initiating Violence

Restraining aggressive behavior is one thing, but
legalizing a government monopoly for initiating aggression can only lead to
exhausting liberty associated with chaos, anger and the breakdown of civil
society. Permitting such authority and expecting saintly behavior from the
bureaucrats and the politicians is a pipe dream. We now have a standing army of
armed bureaucrats in the TSA, CIA, FBI, Fish and Wildlife, FEMA, IRS, Corp of
Engineers, etc. numbering over 100,000. Citizens are guilty until proven
innocent in the unconstitutional administrative courts.

Government in a free society should have no authority to
meddle in social activities or the economic transactions of individuals. Nor
should government meddle in the affairs of other nations. All things peaceful,
even when controversial, should be permitted.

We must reject the notion of prior restraint in economic
activity just we do in the area of free speech and religious liberty. But even
in these areas government is starting to use a backdoor approach of political
correctness to regulate speech-a dangerous trend. Since 9/11 monitoring speech
on the internet is now a problem since warrants are no longer required.

Remember not too long ago how a bunch of whack jobs went over there to protest the use of drones in war? Doesn't look like their protests are paying off. Better to send in a drone than risk our troops.

Taliban talked smack about Prince Harry and look what has happen. LOL

LOVE those drones! Let's use them to target gang members here at home. I'll pay extra taxes for that.

"Reports of Nazir's death came weeks after he was wounded in a bomb attack believed to have been launched by Taliban rivals."

Those crazy fun-loving Muslims!

so which farmer was this and how many of his neighbors were also killed

Remember not too long ago how a bunch of whack jobs went over there to protest the use of drones in war? Doesn't look like their protests are paying off. Better to send in a drone than risk our troops.

I remember that all too well. The trendy protesters were all too eager to protest the US but it didn't seem to bother them that Pakistan has mistreated (a very mild word) their minorities since it's beginnings. What a bunch of phonies. If they cared anything about humanity, they would have concerned themselves with Hindus, Christians, Sikhs and Hazaras.

http://www.hazarapeople.com/hazara/hn/

"One resident, Ajaz Khan, told The Associated Press by telephone that 5,000 to 10,000 people attended the funeral of Nazir and six other people held in Angoor Adda."

Where were the drones when they would have done the most good? Those would be his supporters and Taliban militants so yes a drone there would have gone a long way to decrease the fighting.

Anymore Taliban leaders that want to come out and denounce the US? Just step right up and identify yourself then shout "Death to America". We will be glad to get acquainted.

@ProFreedom

You're right. Pakistan military try to kill our soldiers than cry like babies when our soldiers return fire.

Larry-2260635

Where were the drones when they would have done the most good?

posturing does not require us to kill them, we just needed a headline today while congress approves sweeping tax hikes and pay raises of 120% for a job well done.....

this was a story to pull you away from congressional actions...works every damn time too

roadless is correct.

anyone who thinks our press is "free" is naïve.

examples: the details in the early news reports of United flight 93's crash, namely debris scatter, don't match the final story. why?

whatever happened to the "anthrax letters" post 9/11? would the investigation of the anthrax souce reveal something embarrassing to a university doing research?

oops, gotta go now. a black sedan just pulled up and men in black suits are coming to my front door...no, make that front and back doors.

Nice!

Good riddence to bad rubbish.

One less wart on the ass of humanity.

kill them all... they will be nothing but pure evil enemies of the world for all of time. That will not change.

We just cost his dentist a lot of business.

Wallstreet- These fools declared war on us....remember?

I realized that there are many "angry" things that I can say in response to speculation this reporter says, in response to accusations that Pakistani's say to reporters in their country, in response to reactions that I hear of from both fighters and civilians on each side of the Pakistan and Afghanistan border. But in doing so, how would that elevate me above (for instance) a man like this Mullah Nazir was? How would I be any better than he was?

When I got to the last line of the article though I laughed! Did anyone else catch this? It says, "...but these polls should mark the first time one elected civilian government gets to hand power to another." Sheer speculation on the part of a reporter who seems to be an angry man too, and who knows no more that any of those confused civilians in their little mud hut villages under attack over there.

We are not at war with Pakistan.. we just won't let them harbor enemies of ours. If we were at war, we would carpet bomb rather than using precision strikes.

Does anybody really believe that this Mullah Nazir constituted a threat to Americans at home, or that he would have been remotely interested in killing American soldiers if they weren't part of an aggressive, foreign, armed presence in his home country?

How many people cheering Mullah Nazir's death here had even heard of him before reading this article?

An even more salient question: Does anybody really believe that drones or any other technology will actually END the so-called "War on Terror"?

It should be apparent by now that the "War on Terror" will NEVER be won, not because it can't be won but because the people with the power to stop it know that it's more profitable to keep fighting it than it is to win it. They'll never see their own sons or daughters returning home in flag-draped coffins, but they will see money flowing into their offshore tax havens, so they have no incentive to end the "War on Terror"---ever.

By the way, recall that 30,000 drones were supposed to be deployed in our own country awhile back? Wonder where those drones are now... how they're being used

Who is going to start the White House petition to

REINSTATE THE DRAFT?

COME ON THERE ARE SO many little war mongers on this thread. I have already served my time so it would not be fair of ME to do it.

It should be one of you who are of age to be drafted!

How many innocent civilians have been killed by these drone strikes?

Honestly sheepled, there in no better way to describe your drivel than "no value".

i dont think there are to many innocent people left over there they seem to kill them all! school kids teachers helpless women they dont care. innocent farmer by day taliban by nite.

CoRavensFan

How many innocent civilians have been killed by these drone strikes?

Almost as many as the taliban have themselves killed in pakistan. (not counting the ones who died here on 9/11). but lets only point out the failures not the success's of the drone strikes. I for one woud settle for 1,000,000 dead pakistani "innocent civiians" if it would save the life of just one american civilian or boots on the ground soldier and would not lose any more sleep over it than they lose over this moron "only targetting american targets" and then calling him a "hero". GO MOVE TO PAKISTAN!

Kalberg;

The quote you sight was NOT Abraham Lincoln, It's was American author and playwright Mark twain. You call another I.Q. into question and then attribute a quote to the wrong person? Brilliant, Mate.

Honestly Jim-Ohioan, there in no better way to describe your drivel than "no value".

Nicodemus, <ahem> I think you meant to use the word "cite" and not "sight."

But thanks for posting the correction regarding Samuel Clemens.

Just because the Pakis wussed out and sucked up to this scumbag and made deals with him don't mean that we did!

Stesilaus2

It should be apparent by now that the "War on Terror" will NEVER be won, not because it can't be won but because the people with the power to stop it know that it's more profitable to keep fighting it than it is to win it. They'll never see their own sons or daughters returning home in flag-draped coffins, but they will see money flowing into their offshore tax havens, so they have no incentive to end the "War on Terror"---ever.

I agree but for a very different reason.

Poppy fields.

Regardless of the politics and military implications the main reason we are still in that region is drugs. To believe we have been there for over 10 years and not done anything to the largest heroin producer is criminal.

We should have been out of Iraq the day after we captured Saddam Hussein, and out of Afghanistan the day we defeated the Taliban or, at the latest, when Osama Porn Laden was assassinated.

The simple solution for Pakistan and Afghanistan is to just send an emmisary to India and announce a new alliance between them and and the US to monitor any terrorist or nuclear proliferation issues in the region.

Announce that in 72 hours, 2 aircraft groups will begin strategic air campaigns against all known, and unknown, poppy fields in Afghanistan. Carpet bombing will be constant and complete until each field is destroyed. This should fix the 20% increase in opium production our criminal government has allowed in the last year.

I guarantee you hundreds of "commanders" will be exposed before they allow their coveted poppy-fields to be destroyed. Plus the threat of India being involved will deter much of their other terrorist activities.

Of course none of this will ever happen to reduce the main supplier of heroin to our streets. Such is the shame of our efforts.

So this story goes to show again how Obama is a weak president right? Right? Come on that's all I was hearing before November 6th, what happened to all the trolls?

@Dangerous, "he didn't kill that." LOL

haha

I hear all he did was sit back while the seals killed bin Laden. And we all know Bush went in personally with fists swinging, taking out terrorists mano a mano.

@Danger; LOL. As much as I disagree with this administration's policies (oh, in so many ways, and doubt his qualifications or even possibly the validity of citizenship), I have to give him credit for what appears to be his change in practice, or what the press portrays his practice as, in taking out thugs. I think the press about the hijacked boat and seal snipers a few years ago and his alleged initial reluctance to give the OK to take the hijackers out, followed by the positive results in the press from the success of the mission may have been a turning point for him.

Henry Crumpton CIA retired brings up the interrogation issue While on his book tour. Here the American people are being asked to weigh the "comfort" of the suspect who is to be questioned against the lives to be spared by using whatever the CIA deems necessary in the questioning process.

I can not support allowing anyone questioning a suspect to use whatever means they deem necessary, for several reasons. First, it is counter-productive. A person being tortured will tell you whatever they think you want to hear in order to stop the torture. You are as likely to get false information as you are to get actionable intelligence. Secondly, you create additional highly motivated enemies as people who have been falsely accused then tortured, or their families or friends, seek revenge for their treatment. Thirdly, using such methods has a corrosive effect both on those using them and on our society at large. America has always prided itself on standing for freedom and justice, and has imagined itself as representing ideals which the rest of the world would profit by emulating. Abandoning these principles in favor of morally reprehensible ineffective interrogation techniques would be a major error.

Hello folks, let me ask the warmonger sheeple a question? These drones strikes, do you also except the accountability for the murders of innocent men, women and children called collateral damage and the accompanying karma that goes with it? I didn't think so. While Bush gave us preemptive war, Obama has given us remote controlled war. In international legal terms, the U.S. government itself should now be viewed as constituting an ongoing criminal conspiracy under international law.

The U.S. government has committed atrocities all around the world in our name which makes us complicit in war crimes which include torture, enforced disappearances, assassinations, murders, kidnappings, extraordinary renditions, ‘shock and awe’ (bombings), and (the use of) depleted uranium, white phosphorus, cluster bombs, drone strikes, etc.

We must not allow and permit any aspect of our foreign affairs and defense policies to be conducted by acknowledged war criminals but must insist upon the impeachment, dismissal, resignation, indictment, conviction, and long-term incarceration of all U.S. government officials guilty of such heinous international and domestic crimes.

The serial aggressions of the U.S. violate such basic documents of international law as the Nuremberg Charter, the Nuremberg Judgment, and the Nuremberg Principles. They also violate the Pentagon’s own U.S. Army Field Manual 27-10 on The Law of Land Warfare, which applies to the President himself as Commander-in-Chief of U.S. Armed Forces under Article II, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution.

In Pakistan we haven’t declared war on that country. Targeted killing of human beings in a non-battlefield situation is pure murder under basic principles of Anglo-American common law and international criminal law. And in this case, where these murders are both widespread and systematic, these murders constitute a Crime against Humanity under Article 7(1)(a) of the Rome Statute for the International Criminal Court.

Although the United States is not a party to the Rome Statute, nevertheless President Obama is subject to the jurisdiction of the ICC and its Prosecutor for murdering people in ICC member States.

Who are the terrorists and criminals? Do the ends justify the means?

The United States used to be Home of the Free and Land of the Brave now we are Home of the Detained and Land of the Cowards. Makes you proud to be an American doesn’t it?

There is no such thing as a good "Taliban"

Sheepled, there is something to be said for bringing back the Draft but my take is a little different. The Draft would mean the rich as well as the poor would have to fight. Maybe if sons of Senators, Congressmen and CEO's had to fight side by side with the regular people than soldiers might finally get the respect that is long over due them. I wish that there could be a phoenix rising out of the ashes in America and that being the ways of FDR and Harry S. Trumann. Under these guys our home infrastructure was fully functional and WILLINGLY paid for, our domestic safety nets were WILLINGLY paid for and last but not least our CIA, other Intelligence Community and Military were WILLINGLY paid for. Americans saw their fellow American as Americans being on the SAME team. We did not see each other as competitors to be elbowed aside like Americans view their fellow Americans today. Until we wake up from this deluded stupor we will be a divided house taring itself apart letting the Enemy march right in without a fight.

Thecavalier, personally I am glad that Drones were not yet invented during WWII because of the great bravery those Americans showed back then we learned much from them. As interesting as technology is I miss the days when only spies had the gadgets. I will freely admit it, a little retro and sentimentality for the good old days which are missed. Maybe I grew up around too many soldiers that had stories to tell and love of country.

T. Neville said:

We keep killing them 1 at a time at $80,000. a pop, and they keep killing a dozen of us at a time at $50. a pop. Great strategy !

I'm taxed to death already and can barely feed my family, but you say we are winning this ?

In light of the current budget debate going on, there is a point here. I would rather fund social security, medicare, food stamps, etc. than go on with these wars. If I had to choose, I'd choose to spend on our own people especially now that these programs are under threat. Perhaps we cannot have it both ways. The terrorists are over there. As long as they do not come over here, who gives a %$@* about over there.

Someotherguy, Thank you for responding. At this time it is not important that we agree with each other. It is the conversation about Interrogation and Covert Operations that is important. We the American people are being asked to think this out. If we can engage as much of the American populace as possible than a decision can be made about this. We should take this slow weighing all sides of this issue. This vote need not be over night. In order to come to the correct choice much discourse is needed and calm rational thought. To accuse every CIA interrogator out of hand of having poor judgement in the questioning process is being too emotional on the subject. I am sure there are bad apples in every bunch so I am not naive in thinking that ALL CIA personnel is saintly but they are not all deranged bad guys either. Rustmann shows this in his book called "CIA inc." I used the word "Comfort" in quotes because a questioning session can range from the usual police style tactics of asking many questions and going back around to enhanced interrogation techniques. The point being is there is a range from mild annoyance to "nasty" here the judgement of the interrogator is essential. Hence this is why we must talk about this and weigh this out as a nation. The same is true as to whether we do Covert Operations. That is why I put the link up to the Rustmann interview so everyone can hear it and begin the conversation and one day hopefully come up with the correct answer that we will stand by as a nation. In 1947 to 1969 we as a nation believed we had our answer. Today we are re-asking since there has been a turn over of people in America.

While Bush gave us preemptive war, Obama has given us remote controlled war. In international legal terms, the U.S. government itself should now be viewed as constituting an ongoing criminal conspiracy under international law.

The issue, Trustverify, is not whether either war was "preemptive" or "remote-controlled", but whether either war is necessary to our legitimate national interests and whether it is a feasible endeavor.

History, I believe, has shown that the Iraq War fails on both counts. It was not vital to our national interests and it was ruinously more expensive, both in terms of men and money, and in terms of opportunities lost.

I would say the jury is our regarding this current war on terrorism, fought in Pakistan and Afghanistan, through remote control devices, and also by actual soldiers on the ground. The Taliban leader slain will never be missed. But we may be simply creating new, fanatical enemies, like a Hercules attempting to behead the Hydra. So it may be morally justifiable, but unwinable.

I am not wise enough to make that assessment. Neither, I expect, are most of the people offerring opinions on this thread.

We are wasting our time, money, and service personnelon that $hit hole just leave them alone and they will be happy killing each other. that will solve the problem, besides we are wasting time and resource's attempting to bring them into the present time, they like the seventh century that is why they stayed so long.

hmmm...killed without a trial in America?...I thought you lefties were against state sponsored assassination...this administration doesn't know whether to sh!! or wind it's wrist watch

Our Government can brag about all the Taliban, Al-Qaeda Leaderrs killed.

Seems to me, they are all Leaders--who's this one?--

Yes, Osama Bin Laden was the big Leader, but these guys who are being killed run in the millions. All of them Jihadists.

So what's new?

That's okay Marchant, we have lots of ammunition!

hmmm...killed without a trial in America?...I thought you lefties were against state sponsored assassination...this administration doesn't know whether to sh!! or wind it's wrist watch

Yeah, John Athendoe, look what this administration did to Osama bin Laden. What a horrible miscarriage of justice!

I'm sure that if Bush had known where to find him, he'd have handled the matter differently ...probably by invading Syria, or Tunisia.

Luckily, with Bush that was a pretty big...

IF

I have to go wind my watch. Don't you have something to do too?

Oh Joy! Now thanks to Al Gore, we can all watch on Al Jazeera since he became a traitor and sold Current TV to a bunch of anti American muslims to spread their hate to the US… all to line his pockets…and bet he tried like hell to get that deal done BEFORE the fiscal cliff!! Wonder why the left doesn’t hate the RICH liberals???

Big Oil is bad — so bad that Al Gore is heroically trying to save the planet by taking as much of their CASH as possible!! Oh the hypocrisy!

FedupwithFed, Al Jazeera is a creditable news agency, not the publicity arm of Al Qaeda. It has won international awards for its journalism. There is nothing criminal or anti-patriotic about selling a domestic TV station to them.

You conservatives are all for free-enterprise, until somebody sells to the object of one of your phobias. Then it is wrong.

Oh the hypocrisy!

So is that why Time Warner decided to drop the channel?

Anti-American Al Jazeera, who showed Muslims celebrating 9-11 and other anti-American stories-pro terrorist stories...is that the same credible news agency you are talking about? How is the poppy over there in your neck of the woods? You really should learn to spell credible so you dont OUT yourself

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsPDQulhR3Q&feature=youtube_gdata&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Anti-American Al Jazeera, who showed Muslims celebrating 9-11 and other anti-American stories-pro terrorist stories...is that the same credible news agency you are talking about?

Actually, I saw those same scenes reported in western media outlets too. That is known as reporting the news, FedUpwithFed.

You probably blame the weather man when it snows.

HOW MANY IRAQI'S TOOK PART IN 9/11? NONE

How many Suadi's took part in 9/11? everyone of them was from Saudi Arabia.

Sheepled, you are an idiot. The Iraq war has nothing to do with this story, or with mistaken U.S. policy under former presidents.

BTW: not that it matters, but only 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis. The other 4 were from Egypt. But it does not matter, my ill-spoken fool, as they were not acting as agents of their governments, but as individuals directed by Al Qaeda. I do not blame the Saudi or Egyptian people for these attacks any more than I blame the entire United States for the Oklahoma City bombings committed by Timothy McVeigh.

I could sit on my computer keyboard and write a better post than you inane message.

Sheepled, please tell us is there anybody you do not hate or mistrust other than those that share your narrow minded views? You say you have already served. Please regale us with when and where as I am genuinely curious as to what makes you qualified to judge others. I may be wrong, but I've got a feeling that if you did serve, it was probably as a REMF stateside in warehouse somewhere handing out toilet paper or some such items! As for bringing back the draft? I've already been there and done that during Vietnam. I believe in quality over quantity. You, however are more than welcome to volunteer for front line duty. You see, I survived both Vietnam and the 1st Gulf War so I can honestly say I've done my time that includes 20 years of honorable service to my country along with it! How about you? You just sit there at your computer and spew out wrong or misleading info and try to do your best to stir people up. You have little or no credibility and I pity you. You obviously have some sever anger issues that you really should see somebody for!

"I have to go wind my watch"

...hahaha ...when you grow up and become an adult you won't have to wear your mom's old wind up watch , they have battery powered ones now , but you will have to leave her basement.

oh , and since you see the need to deflect from your kings hypocrisy by going back in time let's just go back in time to the point where your other king Bill "cigar" Clinton could have taken down Bin Laden BEFORE he could blow up our people but he was to stupid to act on it , ya I know, it's hard for lefties to admit that their party leaders are bone heads without an ounce of fore thought , but things are as they are

"I have to go wind my watch"

...hahaha ...when you grow up and become an adult you won't have to wear your mom's old wind up watch , they have battery powered ones now , but you will have to leave her basement.

Ah yes, John Athendoe, you resort to baseless personal remarks, totally unrelated to what is being discussed or what has been said; this is the last resort of weak-minded debater.

Very impressive.

Thanks for your "tip" regarding battery powered watches. If every I need to hear useless and trivial facts repeated needlessly, I'll look you up. But in terms of assessing reality, or the relative worth of the Clinton, George W. Bush and Obama administrations, there are at least 7 billion other people whom I'd consult before you.

You do help me understand how George W. Bush, a manifest idiot, was twice elected to the White House. Apparently the average intellect of our nation is not too high.

you throw out this gem of stupidity (personal attack): "I have to go wind my watch. Don't you have something to do too?"

then you get retorted in the the face and cry about it , very impressive , you should probably worry about your own lack of "intelect"

"I have to go wind my watch. Don't you have something to do too?"

You still flapping your gums, John? I thought I gave you something to do, if you're up to it.

100 year war

Whatever else this practice is, understand that it is legal. When George Bush declared a state of war on the Taliban, Al Qaeda, and all those who lend them material support, he created a new kind of war, one without national boundaries. So these drone strikes are technically the conduct of an ongoing war, not against Pakistan, but the Taliban, under that prior declaration. I didn't like the idea of declaring war on a political group then, but no one understood what the upshot would be and now it is too late.

Who is going to start the White House petition to

REINSTATE THE DRAFT?

COME ON THERE ARE SO many little war mongers on this thread. I have already served my time so it would not be fair of ME to do it.

It should be one of you who are of age to be drafted!

Ya, we got it the first time. STOP trying to lead us like sheep!

Can you articulate the specific benefits of a draft or are you just on an emotional rant?

Vested interest from all not just the few, the proud, the brave... too many few!

when it is your child that has to go kill or be killed

one has a differnt outloook on war

One little, two little, three little Talibans..... Time for Cowboys & East Indians

Like it or not most Americans today are sheep, and brainwashed ones at that. get away from the media for a while and you will see things differently.

what is the percentage of the population that serves, does it even amount to 15 percent, and those troops have to repeat tours, America is long on Nationalist and short of Patriots, what we need is allot fewer Nationalist and a few more good Patriots. Nationalist (socialist) in the long run will lead you to your grave. there is nothing Rational about a Nationalist outside of their own mind or collective.

If we are not going to fight them(terrorist) straight out then we don't need to be there, its time to bring the troops home, in fact its years past that time. we are not accomplishing a thing we are fighting a ghost and the ghost is protected by its government's, its the same Governments that we support, how messed up can you get, haven't we done enough damage to the world.

This war is so screwed up the casualties never end, these young people that survive come home to die, we don't need to be there, there is no reason to be there, that part of the world is haunted by EVIL and it will never change. if evil exist in this world it lives and thrives in the Hindu Kusch, where nothing else can live.

Some corrections are in order here: Congress declares war, not the president, and it has not done so. On whom would we make such a declaration? We're busy trying to persuade the governments harboring these criminals to give them up. We can't make war on them and hope for their co-operation. It doesn't work that way. We can't do both things at once. And terrorism is a technique, not an entity.

Personally, I would favor declaring war on Pakistan and wiping out everyone we even suspect is Taliban. Given the attitudes in Pakistan, I don't give a damn about them. The only reason the Taliban has succeeded so far is that they cowardly hide among the civilian population, and they know we (Western powers, not just US) are too squeamish to do what needs doing.

Another reason we haven't declared war is that we know the minute we declare war on Pakistan, they will nuke India in retailiation. Each side is suspicious of the other, and both suspect the US favors the other side over them. A nuclear war there, or in any part of the world, would be a disaster everywhere. Therefore: no declaration of war is possible, no matter how desirable.

It is also impossible to declare war when we are unable to identify the enemy. We had the same situation in Vietnam. The smiling local farmer by day was the Viet Cong leader cutting our throats by night. Never, ever mount a military operation in a place you cannot tell friend from foe, nor where you cannot depend on friends. I say get the hell out of there completely. They hate each other at least as much as they hate us. Even today, we hear about sectarian violence (Shiite vs. Sunni, mostly, but there's a lot of tribal warfare too) in places we have shed American blood and spent American treasure -- to what end? They're not going to give up their hatred anytime soon. We seem to be unable to eliminate hatred in this country, what makes us think we will be any more successful in a place where we neither speak the langauge or understand the culture?

A friend of mine, a professional senior military officer who served during the time of the Vietnam war said the major lessons we should have learned there are the views I've outlined above. He also said that if we are going to fight anyplace, we should do so only in a declared war. And when we declare war, we should immediately institute a draft (women as well as men), and institute gas rationing. The entire country must know we are at war, and make sacrifices and contributions. George W. Bush advised us all to go shopping, you may remember. If we are unwilling to do that, no war, skirmish, or even taking a few potshots will succeed, nor will we ever "win" anything. Victory requires a recognized enemy and a firm end point strategy. We have none of that in the Middle East.

Another friend, much younger, also a professional military officer, has just returned from Afghanistan and is leaving the service, so he cannot be deployed back there. He has more than 30 years in, and says there is nothing we can do to 'win' there. We don't belong there, we cannot do anything to change the situation, and it's a waste of time, money, and especially lives.

Finally, the US is not a party to the treaty creating the ICC. Some other country might wish to nab one of our people (Cheney, Dubya, Rumsfeld, et al.) and haul them up before the court, but it wouldn't work. We would be obliged to invade some friendly country (prop\bably Holland, as the Court meets in The Hague) to get our guy(s) back. Not a good scenario for peace in the so-called civilized world. Dream on.

The very best thing we can do is get to hell out of there and stay out. There are ways to deal with the opium problem, especially considering that it has myriad medical uses. If we bought it all up, at a reasonable price, we could put the drug lords out of business. But we don't have the guts to do that, since the Puritans are scared silly that some poor, suffering person might get relief from pain. Sad.

Sheepled, hey hero I refer you to post #1.68 above!

Carpet bomb Paki Islamic militant areas and make them Cleanistan!

In Afghanistan, Pakis have backstabbed the US and NATO forces big time. Half of NATO forces deaths are due to ungrateful and backstabbing Pakis.

When the NATO forces were entering Kandahar in 2001, Pakis airlifted key al-Qaida, Taliban, ISI and others militants by back door from Kandahar.

This includes Mullah Omar, Osama and many including Paki Haqqani militant network leaders.

Hope people remember about Pakis sheltering Osama.

These Paki Islamic religious Nazis don't bother about their people and they are into reckless killing games in the name of jihad.

Drone attacks are not enough.

To reduce NATO forces losses, carpet bomb Paki militant areas just like 1991 Iraqi war.

In Afghanistan, Pakis have backstabbed the US and NATO forces big time. Half of NATO forces deaths are due to ungrateful and backstabbing Pakis.

When the NATO forces were entering Kandahar in 2001, Pakis airlifted key al-Qaida, Taliban, ISI and others militants by back door from Kandahar.

This includes Mullah Omar, Osama and many including Paki Haqqani militant network leaders.

Hope people remember about Pakis sheltering Osama.

These Paki Islamic religious Nazis don't bother about their people and they are into reckless killing games in the name of jihad.

Drone attacks are not enough.

To reduce NATO forces losses, carpet bomb Paki militant areas just like 1991 Iraqi war.

Also to show an example on how to punish the ungrateful and backstabbing ones: spray pork meat on Cleanistan.

Who is going to start the White House petition to

REINSTATE THE DRAFT?

COME ON THERE ARE SO many little war mongers on this thread. I have already served my time so it would not be fair of ME to do it.

It should be one of you who are of age to be drafted!

Ya, we got it the first time. STOP trying to lead us like sheep!

Jim-Ohioan;

From where I stand, politicians are doing a very good job of leading the sheep to slaughter, and they are following happily along. Yes, Sheepled is beating a dead horse. The draft system will not be re-instituted unless the country is invaded. Arguably is already is, but the bleeding hearts can't or won't see it. The point being, if you are annoyed by his drum beating, how can you miss the 800 pound gorilla in the room? Lying politicians, who's only mission in life is to separate you from your livelihood. Perhaps, you should direct your outrage at those more deserving of it.

sheepled, do you have to post the same thing three times to get your point across? I get it already.

Aren't these the same Taliban jackoffs that helped hide, fund and train the 9/11 murderers? Aren't they the ones that were beheading women in the soccer field for leaving the house alone, or complaining about being raped?

They all need to be blown up. SURPRISE! It's just like a roadside explosive device. You produce enough of those, they start coming back at you.

Who is going to start the White House petition to

REINSTATE THE DRAFT?

COME ON THERE ARE SO many little war mongers on this thread. I have already served my time so it would not be fair of ME to do it.

It should be one of you who are of age to be drafted!

Ya, we got it the first time. STOP trying to lead us like sheep!

I agree Alan, Bush said it back way back when!

You are either with us or against us and we will find you NO MATTER WHERE YOU HIDE! (Or how many "innocent civiians" you hide amongst!)

Sheepled

Please just stop, you come off as a robot with the cut and paste rants. At least type in some other thoughts if you don't like the practice of using drones.

DM

You're getting my sense of humor

All this for ten years and it is all the same copy and paste war death and destruction...

If we get out they come after us here!!! End it there not here. It's a drone not seal team 6!!!

The Taliban never made it here.

Terrorists had no Business here on 9/11 either.

One more uneducated dirt bag buys the farm... Good! Five thousand came to his funeral, so there are at least five thousand more to watch out for...

When the terrorist stop spreading terror across the world and only then, would I say the job is done... As long as they kill, like cowards in the night, all freedom loving people must continue to hunt them down and get them before they get us...

President Obama has done a remarkable job using these Drones going after and killing the scum of the earth...

No Starbuck they just enabled Alqaeda by giving them sanctuary and a place to train. Therefore they are one and the same in my book

Damn we should have used their tactics and hit the funeral, 5,000 in one setting where was our intelligence, don't they know what bait is for? do they understand chumming? this is no time to be PC, Idiots just plain stupid Idiots, why do we pay these people.

Whos rank's?

Our Ranks having to serve 4-5-6-7 tours of combat duty?

Who is going to start the White House petition to

REINSTATE THE DRAFT?

COME ON THERE ARE SO many little war mongers on this thread. I have already served my time so it would not be fair of ME to do it.

It should be one of you who are of age to be drafted!

Sheepled;

You did these 4-5-6-7 tours, did you? I don't anyone in the 101st on their 7th tour. Listen, in time of war, involuntary extension is nothing new. My father went into the Army Air force in 1939 for a four year hitch, in 1941 he was told he was in for the "duration" no matter how long that was. I went in in 1965 and was involuntarily extended 6 times. So?,The military is not club med, it is not a social club, it is not a democracy. It's not a perfect world, if it were military services would not be necessary. If it were all munitions would only hit the enemy. But it's not and bad things happen during a war. Civilians get caught in the lines of fire, always have from the first war to the last. So what point are you trying to make? You have mad this statement 6 times to this point, give it a rest.

Check your facts

Nicodemus1946, I agree with you 100%! It is a waste of time talking to or trying get anything across to the little trolling wannabe called sheepled. The very fact that he refuses to tell when and where he allegedly served tells me he probably did not and is not worth dealing with or responding to any further.

I have no doubt these leaders know they will not die of old age.They already have their sights on being martyrs to their cause.The only questions are when and where.For all those young followers they send to a way too early grave, along with the innocent lives targeted as enemies, there can be no doubt, the blood that covers the hands of such leaders, simply doesn't exist.For such lives literally have no worth in this world.

How does a person live their life this way? It would be like a mass murderer.Except others they have do most of the dirty work. It would be too convenient to say this is because of religion. This is something even older. Pure hatred and evil. Which wears many masks and uses many venues. Whatever it can get people to listen to. But is masks itself to conform to what is useful to its cause. While people will fight amongst themselves, and miss the real source behind the war. As long a people have their emotions involved, then they tend to stop using reasoning.

If such ruthless leaders harbor any deep seeded doubts about what waits for them beyond this frail life,even as they are surrounded by followers so devoted they would fling their bodies to take any danger, they still must face death in the end. Yet surely these types do not have peace in this world.

No, this is resistance to Globalization and the raping of their lands by the west. :)

Rape of Pakistan, Afghanistan? No sexual relations with those wastelands--not even after 2:00am and 12 beers.

Tommy Gunn;

If you think these people such righteous "freedom" fighters, perhaps you should join them in Pakistan or Afghanistan. Clearly, you have never been to either. Pakistan and Afghanistan harbor and shelter Al Quida and the Taliban, religious fanatics who would kill you as an infidel without a seconds thought. Zealots who believe the ONLY treatment of those they view as infidels is death. Who believe Islam is to be promoted at the tip of a sword, high jacked airplane or homicide bomb.

Most of the worlds worst atrocities are committed by those using the name freedom fighter, peoples revolutionary, or other noble "sounding" name. You ignore the barbaric treatment they hand out to women, children, members of other tribes or groups and non-Muslims. Had they not flown those planes into U.S. building, killing U.S. citizens and had they not harbor and aided those same terrorists, none of this would be happening. Blame those responsible for bringing this on themselves and those who turned a blind eye to their activities and aided them in their training.

Maybe republicans in the House of Representatives shouldn't have cut the budget of the overseas embassys by hundreds of millions of dollars per year and there could have been better security in place. No budget for security, but they have no problem fighting for billions to fund a jet engine that the military doesn't even want.

You really are not very bright are you?

Grandpa - You really are not very bright are you?

Nevermind that under bush about 10 times as many embassy deaths died.

List them, if you can.

hard to disagree witht the hardline, after he prohibits the good of polio vaccinations unless the US gives Taliban something in return. Fek him, and yes, its time to get out of there, Who's good, Who's bad?

they all look alike

"The taliban are killing women and children in schools"

US citizens are also "killing women and children in schools"

I suggest a trip to either place for a few months. See what happens to women who aren't covered head to foot, children of a differing tribe, According to reports and evidence from Amnesty international, Human rights watch, and other observers the Taliban/Al Quida stoned to death, decapitated, tortured to death, raped to death 50,000 women and children in the last ten years. It is not determined how many died at their hands in the years before international attention in the region. Apples and Oranges Tommy, a lone lunatic or an organized religious terror group systematically killing women, children and men of differing tribe. Do you realize who idiotic that comparison is?

Agreed. Time to get out.

My sister's husband got killed in Viet Nam and now Delorse had the two boys to raise---Bobby was 22-years old--a farmer from Wauchula-Florida---as Delorse said--all for nothing--so the immigrants from Viet Nam could come to America and open nail shops--and they will not follow the rules of the road in the shrimping business--in the Gulf of Mexico

Actually Vietnam was a police-action, but i agree with everything else you stated.

Wow, your memory is short! On April 30, 1975, “the fall of Saigon” ended the Vietnam War and prompted the first of two waves of emigration from Vietnam to the United States. Vietnamese who had worked closely with Americans during the Vietnam War feared reprisals by the Communist party. 125,000 Vietnamese citizens departed their native country during the spring of 1975.

In 1977, a second wave of Vietnamese refugees began fleeing Vietnam. This wave of emigration lasted until the mid 1980s. The second wave began as a result of the new Communist government’s implementation of economic, political and agricultural policies based on Communist ideology. These policies included “reeducation” and torture of former South Vietnamese military personnel and those presumed friendly to the South Vietnamese cause, the closing of businesses owned by ethnic Chinese Vietnamese, the seizing of farmland and redistributing it, and the mass forced relocation of citizens from urban to rural areas that were previously uncultivated or ruined during the war.

In total, the United States accepted 531,310 refugees and asylum seekers from Vietnam between 1981 and 2000.

So, we wage a war from 1959 – 1975, during which we attempted to win the “hearts and minds” of the Vietnamese people. Many of the Vietnamese people supported our troops, bought in to our ideas of political and economic freedom THEN we leave and those that fell for our “hearts and minds” campaign are to be left to their fate that we created?

Tell me, why would anyone ever support our initiatives with attitudes like that?

Vietnam a police action? Thats what it was called , but I sure didn't feel like a cop.

Alan, all of your relatives are immigrants just as mine are.... Now i'm not saying that is right for us to shoulder the burdens of feeding, clothing and housing them at all.... But facts are facts....

your wart is showing

yes, we all came from elsewhere. But those of us called CITZENS are frikkin' tired of the nanny state feeding anyone that can get into the country. There are PLENTY of citzens on welfare, shouldn't they be getting tax money instead of gate crashers?

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Unless you're of American Indian descent you're more than likely one of those "gate-crashers" that invaded the country illegally. I don't remember the people landing on the shores in the 15th through 19th centuries having green cards or legal immigration status.

Amen to that. Lets get control here in the USA.

Coracii;

A little history lesson, since apparently you didn't check before posting. After the establishment of the U.S., i.e. after the Brits got kicked out and established a government, the U.S. established immigration and naturalization laws. All immigrants were processed, quarantined, housed, received inoculations and registered through facilities like Ellis island among six others on both coasts. It was not until the 1900's did people feel they could just take a ship, walk run or sneak and later a plane to the U.S. and just stay. I guess following the laws of this country is too much to ask of these "poor, down trodden, huddled masses". Never mind the U.S. currently issued 1 million LEGAL immigration visa's a year. Did you know illegal entry into Mexico and most other countries is a felony offense, in Mexico you get 2 years in prison for a first offense.

Funny how the only one's required to PROVE who they are in this country are Native Americans. We are issued an official government approved C.D.I.B. card or Certificate of Degree of Indian Blood. As for the "Indian Descent" comment, Most card carrying Native are 65/100 Indian blood, I am 97/100, my tribal affiliation is Cheyenne, with a touch of English on my fathers side, hardly a descendant. You can claim any heritage you like without question, but, say your Native American and you must produce the card to prove it. Irony, it seems, is not without a sense of humor.

And the American Indians came here from Siberia. DNA shows this. They displaced the citizens who were here before them. Give it back.

dog man;

According to scientific research there was no one on this continent before the Indians arrived. Look it up, WE ARE the original inhabitants. As to your DNA claims, it shows they have at least two origins, Asia/Siberia and Northern Europe / Scandinavia. There was no one here before the Cambrian line, We arrived shortly there after. Do you know how long ago that was? We were here, in current form, at least 150,000 years before the Europeans showed up. What's your point?, that your ancestors were far more ruthless and savage than we they labeled savage? Because they had no interest in learning about us the land was your for the taking? Taking the land and destroying our culture was "Manifest Destiny", right? Were it not for the Spanish, there would be no Mexicans, before the European invasion, everything from the arctic circle to the southern tip of South America was INDIANS. Chances are you can't trace you family here back more than 100 years or maybe 200. Mine goes back thousands of years on this continent. Apparently, your ancestors trace back to Africa not Europe or the Americas, What's the difference? Oh and recent DNA coding shows most Indians don't carry the African genetic marker, Hmm.

Nice try, but, the history of the Americas is a subject we tend to be acutely aware of. The one consolation is, We are taking in tons of YOUR money in our casinos. We have turned your laws against you and are winning everyday in court battle. This money pays for our kids to go to college, teaches them the language and culture stolen from them, they are opening new businesses everyday. Who knows, perhaps you will end up working for US. You gotta love that, right?

Unless you are indeed Cheyenne and been accepted into the society, calling yourself "Dog Man" is ripping off the Cheyenne, yet again. Dog men were our warrior's elite, I doubt you could handle the tests of body and spirit it took to become a Dog man.

Nicodemus:

I like your history lesson.

But I like to add that "INDIANS" of the new world who inhabited "everything from the arctic circle to the southern tip of South America" were not one homogenous tribe. While your Cheyenne tribe is one of the biggest and more famous, there were probably close to one hundred lesser known native American tribes through out North America. Each of these tribes had their unique culture and language. Some were hunter than agrarian; others were aggressive while others more pacifist; some were nomadic while others established community. Hence, it would be difficult for you to speak of or on behalf of one INDIAN nation even if you were appointed to do so. Nevertheless, you are correct that all INDIANS suffered under the hand or gun of the White Man.

So, it appears that irregardless of your smug attempt at a history lesson you've neglected one important fact. The original Europeans (among others) that arrived on the shores of the United States arrived here as "illegal immigrants". Those illegal immigrants then proceeded to displace the native population that had historically inhabited the lands and confined them to small parcels of least desirable areas of the country. All the while these illegal immigrants were setting up their own policies of who should be allowed to live here. So, as a 97/100 Native American, did your ancestors invite these Europeans (among others) over to this country and give them the authority to establish the immigration policies that were set into place? If not, does that mean that the 11 million undocumented citizens can just get together and decide to make themselves legal citizens, after all that's the historical precident that you're citing. This country was "founded" by illegal immigrants, they just had the arrogance to decide that it belonged to them after arriving here.

Its going to be a very long war.... I mean loooooooooooooong war....

Which is just getting started.... With every drone strike we make enemies instead of them making enemies....

The only terrorists in afghanistan and pakistan are the FOREIGN OCCUPIERS

Yep, just like the bugs living in your beard. And don't forget about those FOREIGN OCCUPIERS in your crotch!

Stevo, I agree. The lice in Hessy's beard trained, paid for, hid and advocated the 911 murders. That is their way of saying: "now you come and kill us".

They got what they asked for, and they need to continue getting it.

that would include CIA and FBI

And Islam. Let's step up the drone production.

Hessy,

It is alright to be on the other side but if you are you should not try to also hide it. If you are a western born converted islamist then it would of course explain the total ignorance of your post style (her for instance when it is a global known fact that extremist islamists train children in use of explosives and automatic weapons from the age of eight up to say americans learn from our military and not point out islamist children being raised to load aim kill make syou look stupid in every general sense). If ghowever you started as an islamist (and extremist) then you make an ass of your cause by trying to blend in with the westerners style of posting while being an obvious extremist kook. I am more prone to believe the prior, another spoiled american white kid gone islam for the props minus the effort education and morality expected of a convert to a religion (and more just another uneducated sppon fed need fame tike making a shame of itself).

You are about as useful as everyone who thinks carpet bombing is somehting you just get up and go do. People need to realize battlefield operations aren't quite as easy as your x-box and playstation drama queen moments of 'cool'.

LOL- you've got it all wrong, angry boy. its the other way around. The US army want to kill all Afghanis. Remember the US soldiers are in Afghanistan, over 12000 miles away from home. The Afghanis are fighting the occupation in their country.

Hessy, "The Afghanis are fighting the occupation in their country" Yeah, right. The same way the Jews were fighting against the Americans as they attempted to destroy the oncentration camps in Germany and liberate the Jews. Nuts like you give us liberals a bad name. Why don't you go ever there and join "The Resistance".

hessy You are correct..War mongering nation building greedy corrupt americans. If the usa is so righteous and brave why do they use drones and robots...Fight like men hand to hand with the afghans..Never happen from the true american COWARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hessey, Seriously....you gotta be about 13 years old, right? Go to school, you're late!!!

usasucs,

is that why you are over anywhere fighting a war with anyone other then your folks about the late rent? I have nothing against guns killing people I just wish the shooters would do better research and shoot the proper targets instead of innocent folk, say, shoot the traitors in our own country for a few years?

lore and supposed wisdom?? I have hated the evil empire usa all my life. Scumbag country. Filled with sheeple like you that want to kill everyone because your so called leaders say so. Why do not the Taliban and the like attach countries like Brazil ,New Zealand , Argentina etc? These places live the western style of life.. Maybe it is because the other countries mind their own F'N business and are not trying to take over the world.POS usa !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sheep like me?

You mean someone out to cry and complain abotu the life they have no control over but to moan and whinge at everything that isn't just they way their spoiled self wishes it to be ...

Or were you just commenting about yourself through the misery of cowardice projection? If you do not like america then you can always move and become a citizen of any place else on earth, just do the rest of us a favor and drop the US citizenship. We have enough whinney spoiled ignorant children here presently.

Yank, you are lost man...That was a horrible post...

Tim you do not need any help with a bad name-your vote was enough.

Who is going to start the White House petition to

REINSTATE THE DRAFT?

COME ON THERE ARE SO many little war mongers on this thread. I have already served my time so it would not be fair of ME to do it.

It should be one of you who are of age to be drafted!

I checked the WH petition and no one had the balls to start the petition for the draft.

What kind of war mongers are you? STUPID IS STUPID FOLLOWS GOVERNMENTS OFFFICIAL REPORTS AS FACT.

When our children are murdered in our schools

You all demand gun control

What is the difference between Adam Lanza and American drones?

Drones are paid for from TAX DOLLARS... YOURS

WOULD YOU GIVE ADAM LANZA AMMO TO KILL?

America is ADAM LANZA on "Steroids"

CIVILIZED AMERICA??? LMAO

When people justify the taking of a child's life in other counties and then condemns such action in America and want to take and destroy the 2nd Amendment.

I have to ask are we as a nation becoming like Adam Lanza?

A total disregaurd for life if the media says it is good to kill children to get a bad guy...

A PACK OF WOLVES ARE MORE CIVILIZED than many of the people blogging on this thread.

We have a culture not just of violence but a Bunch of Adam Lanza types w/ total disregard for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for all.

It is not just for the few with the most bombs.