They must die. India really needs to overhaul the overall law and order situation. For every one of such rapes there are thousands that are unreported, unresolved. As a result the society seems to have almost become numb - until - this happened which really shook the entire country.

I think the root of such atrocities lies in some people's belief that they can do anything and nothing will happen to them. There really needs to be a restoration of law and order.

Yay,

Criminals dont need education, we tend to forget that when they commit the crime they lose certain rights,

It is not hard to be an upstanding American and follow the laws.

what criminals need is a more harsh enviroment when they are imprisoned, make it a very aweful experience so they dont ever want to go back. Like the prison down in Arizona,"Tent city" I bet our prisons wouldnt be so full, if we did something different. they have it to easy.

This was as much a primitive thug crime of class warfare as it was misogyny against this 23-year-old college educated woman.

The planet is at the tipping point - past it really, when viewing the last decade of ramped up hideous mayhem that is more than the usual hideous mayhem around the globe. There are now 7 BILLION humans on the planet, half of whom are male; most of those are undereducated, underemployed and with few prospects in life but to create chaos and misery and pain for all others around them. The most vulnerable victims to male predators will always be women and children and animals, because that is who cowards attack first. If other males think they are safe, they ought think again and finally begin to hand down some harsh controls on their horrifically violent gender run amok. Time to significantly cull the herd of the most dangerous who prove themselves to be incapable of living without PURPOSEFULLY bringing harming and death to all others. No one anywhere will be safe and no society can survive, unless we begin to once again give decent people a break ... and hope. Those who hew to religion to "fix" these males are delusional, as that is how they escape punishment and how these fetid cultures of misogyny got their start, in the first place.

ElektroFreak...I think you are confusing the middle east with India. I've known many Indian people who are lovely (men included). I do not say that all men from the middle east are evil, either, but the misogynistic culture is more associated with Islam than Hinduism, which is the majority religion in India. Of course, misogyny and especially classism, do abound in India as well, but frankly, do you not see it in the US, too?

That said, I do not believe in the dealth penalty for any crime, not even this kind of torture and murder. I respect the father's anger and understand his gut feeling of wanting death for his daughter's murderers, but it is my personal belief that no one, not even a government, has the ability to take a life, especially one of a minor. The minor should get a lot more than 3 years, though.

we used to do that here in America but liberals think it is more humane to put people in prison, give them weights, the internet, and hot meals...

Please don't mis-state the positions of us liberals. The problem most of us have with the death penalty is that many innocent people are convicted.

I wouldn't hang these @#$%&, I'd let them loose in a cage of hyenas (with their necks protected so they don't accidentally die too quickly). Let that be a lesson to them...

yay....SERIOUSLY???????...opportunity for education????? These people don't need education....they know what they are doing is wrong, they just don't care...bet it would happen a lot less if their penis was cut off.

yay politics!

i get your frustration but i would ask that you keep in mind that an opportunity for education could be what some of these criminals need.

Discovering that raping someone to death results in your dumb ass at the wrong end of a rope would not only be an education for them, but an educational opportunity for potential future rapists.

If I may play devil's advocate with some of your comments here...

If you see someone twitching from a tree you will think twice before commiting a crime yourself.

Execution is a terrible deterrent, but excellent at preventing repeat offenders. Kill them if you wish, but at least acknowledge the actual purpose of it.

Criminals dont need education, we tend to forget that when they commit the crime they lose certain rights,

Lack of, poor, or improper education is usually what causes these crimes in the first place. Adding education to a society devastated by terrible, violent crimes will reduce the rate of crimes by offering opportunities for work.

The planet is at the tipping point - past it really, when viewing the last decade of ramped up hideous mayhem that is more than the usual hideous mayhem around the globe.

Rate of violent crimes has actually decreased per capita in the developed world. The internet and ease-of-view just allows you to experience all of it, instead of the tiny portion of the world you live in.

The most vulnerable victims to male predators will always be women and children and animals, because that is who cowards attack first. If other males think they are safe, they ought think again and finally begin to hand down some harsh controls on their horrifically violent gender run amok.

In the US more children are harmed by women than men. This may have more to do with the fact that more women retain custody of their children over men, but the fact remains. People can be violent, women just usually lack the opportunity to be as violent as men.

I'm generally of the opinion that pretty much all males from that part of the world (asia/india/arabia/persia/africa/armpit/sandbox/@!$%#hole/whatever) are both worthless and hopeless

And the women in those areas haven't contributed anything to there societies other than being walking wombs. You'll blame the men of those areas of course, which won't surprise me.

I don't care if people label me or this post as "racist" or "hate-filled".. neither label is accurate as far as I'm concerned.

I'm glad you're not the one who determines the accuracy of the words racist and hate-filled, as you clearly fit the bill.

These people don't need education....they know what they are doing is wrong,

Obviously, they don't know what they're doing is wrong, otherwise they wouldn't do it. They've been taught that violence against people they don't like is acceptable. The indian government needs to focus on properly educating their children.

Education fixes all sorts of problems; however, it is probably too late for these attackers. Like all rabid dogs, they need to be put down.

Actually, I am NOT in favor of the death penalty in any country, buuuuuuut, I am in favor of "a head for an eye and a heart for a tooth". This particular crime deserves a PUBLIC CASTRATION in the town square, then little boxes should be handed to each culprit involved to carry his "little humiliation" home. Oh yes, I forgot to mention that this should all take place WITHOUT pain killer medication.

# 1.9: That said, I do not believe in the dealth [sic] penalty for any crime, not even this kind of torture and murder. I respect the father's anger and understand his gut feeling of wanting death for his daughter's murderers, but it is my personal belief that no one, not even a government, has the ability to take a life, especially one of a minor. The minor should get a lot more than 3 years, though.

And yet these thugs ultimately took the life of an innocent woman after causing her to suffer horribly. They had the ability. Executing these creatures shouldn't be about revenge; it should be about justice. That includes the juvenile; it seems the minute someone utters or prints the word "juvenile" in relation to some horrendous crime, some people think of some freckle-faced little Opie Taylor-type kid who fell in with the wrong crowd. There are "juveniles" all over the world (yes, right here in our "civilized and enlightened" USA) who are feral beyond belief, and will always be.

The idea of incarceration should be with the hope of rehabilitation. No one can rehabilitate creatures of this ilk; there is no good reason to keep them alive. Execute them in a humane manner, yes. To do otherwise would smack of revenge, and we [those who wouldn't dream of committing such crimes] need to be better than that.

I get the whole "what if someone is innocent?" argument re the death penalty, but only when it comes to circumstantial evidence or any reasonable doubt. However, it appears they have some very solid evidence of the guilt of this pack, including bite marks left by the victim they raped and tortured. They have the technology to prove many things now that weren't available even a decade ago. Put them all down like the pack of rabid animals they clearly are. Hopefully it will serve as a deterrent. If it doesn't, then keep on putting them down until they finally get the message.

It is shameful that events like this have to occur before people wake up and value their mothers, sisters, wives, and daughters. India (as well as many other places around the globe) has a lot of lost ground to make up for. I hope this young woman's death stays at the forefront of their consciousness and helps facilitate those needed changes.

India gang-rape victim's father: Hang the 'monsters' responsible

We need quick justice like that here in America, and I bet crime will drop real fast if we put rapist, thieves, child molesters, and murderers to death with public hangings and executions.

Those men used a cross bar to rape that woman too. These guys are the sickest and most ignorant of India society. It's probably sociopathic and that means too many have no feelings for others in India.

That's a sick society right now..

Electrofreak--"SteveYo: Blah blah blah... my statement would never apply to the South because the South does not have thousands of years of history being populated by human fecal matter"

Electrofreak, if you do not live in the South, then I would have to agree with that statement. You are the piece of @!$%#! So why blame the South or other countries? Your name " Freak" is so appropriate.... and when you say that you don't care if you are labeled " racist" or " hate-filled", it shows that you know that you are exactly those.

I really hope you are not American, for if you are, we would all have to hang our heads in shame. In fact, I hope you are not human, because you defile the whole human race.

ElektroFreak,

Have you met, what, one person from that region? The kindest, gentlest person that I knew was a guy in my fraternity named Elias. Yes he was a fraternity guy too. He was a part of over 15 clubs, many of which he was the president or officer of. Many of these clubs did community service for the poor, and he was even a part of many women's rights organizations. And in case you couldnt tell by his name, he was a Palestinian. He had a 3.9gpa in pre med at UCLA, which is not easy, and he wanted to join doctors without borders to help poor and endangered people throughout the world. He died in a freak accident and hundreds of people from the school showed up to support him. Even though he was in groups that supported Palestine, many of the people who showed up were Jewish people who supported Israel. This was because he constantly tried to bring the two groups together, and even if he disagreed with you, he never made you feel stupid or bad for your beliefs. He was the kindest soul I have ever known, and proof that you really are just a stupid ignorant bigot.

Im for the death penalty for all but the juvenile. I know what the kid did was bad, but I just cant support executing a minor. 3 years is definitely too little though. Keep him in jail for at least 15 years, and put him in programs to help show him the pain and suffering that he has caused. His life can still turn around, the other monsters just deserve the rope. All rapists 100% proven guilty (not all just convicted since last year we saw an innocent man set free after some money grubbing woman got him arrested for a pay day) should get exactly what murderers get. Death.

They should be hanged...but by their penis and little balls!

So you have known several, yet one or two only makes a tiny fraction? Are you trying to prove to everyone that you have no idea what you're talking about?

Justice in India?--another Barbaric Country--

"A rape is committed every 20 minutes"?--It sounds like the Middle East/and other 3rd World Countries--

The Global internet/Media has exposed their hidden secrets, and now the people want Justice.

If these barbarians are hung, how will India find or punish the other millions of men who think it is their right to abuse women--Their penis is their weapon of destruction and death.

Getting Laws put in place, will never happen--no Justice System is possible--I hope this family has some Peace. It is a great loss of a potential leader in their Country.

People who trash the United States Government, and our Justice System should travel there, then come back, appreciating our way of Legal Punishment--it is not perfect, but almost. Nothing like the Barbarian's. India has a Caste System---most though are poverty stricken. Again, ignored citizens who live in a country where there is no equality. The Rich and the Millions of Poor.

AB-1981-

You hit the jackass right in the ass! good one!

@MrBurns: Nitpicking irrelevant portions of my argument only proves that yours is meaningless in it's entirety. In other words: Whatsa matter? Got no solid points left?

@fnkheehaw: OH NOES!! Some moron called me a name on the interwebz.. Man I'm gonna lose lots of sleep over this for sure..

ROFL!

I see I've got all the towelhead-lovers on here in an uproar.. teehee!! Nothing like a little trolling of idiotic, delusional douchebags to make my day brighter.

hanging is to good for these animals. they ( including the 17 year old ) should be put in a cage in the biggest arena in new dehli, stripped naked, doused in kerosene and set on fire for all of the people of india and the world to see......there parents and family members should be forced to watch from the front row........until these monsters are dead i will not buy anything from india and will start a boycott of any company that sells goods from this country that we call our friend.

I agree with the father, and I would want them dead if were my kid too. In fact, I think the death penalty should apply to convicted pedophiles, as well as convicted rapists.

In fact, I think the death penalty should apply to convicted pedophiles, as well as convicted rapists.

FYI you can't be convicted of being a pedophile, just a child molester.

If your goal is to prevent future rapes, executing these men won't help. The death penalty isn't much of a threat when the vast majority of rapists never get so much as arrested, let alone convicted. In the US, only 9% of all rapes are prosecuted, with roughly half of those prosecutions resulting in a conviction and only a third resulting in any jail time. 97% of rapists never spend a single day in prison. And this is the US. I can only imagine how much worse it is in less developed countries.

Before we worry about making the punishment harsher, we need to do a much better of catching and convicting rapists in the first place. The death penalty isn't going to deter a potential rapist if he/she knows the crime is unlikely to be reported, unlikely to lead to an arrest even if reported, has a better than 9/10 chance of never being prosecuted, and has a pretty good shot at an acquittal even they do get charged with the crime.

ElektroFreak - I am from that part of the world.

I invite you to message me, meet me and visit me. See My family. My friends. Perhaps you will change your views.

Don't get me wrong. A very large number of people from that part of the world are exactly as you described. But not all. There is a sizable number - in fact a vast majority who are educated and progressive in their outlook.

@GungaDin: Fair enough.. there are exceptions to every rule, I can't and won't deny that. BUT until that entire part of the world cleans up it's act a bit (as would be evidenced by a stemming of the constant flow of barbaric, backward occurrences and incidents being seen, reported, videotaped, photographed, etc. etc.) then all they've got coming from me is disdain. The reason I focus on the males is because they quite literally run the show in those regions. Females and children are slaves to the will of the men.

Liberals, like myself, are not against the death penalty because it is "inhumane"... please, spare me your bull-s*** Glenn Beck sermon.

I am against it because death is too good for them, it's too easy.

You think hanging these men is even comparable to what they did? Hours and hours of rape and torture, and you want to punish them with a short fall, followed by a quick snap and lights out? Why are you being so easy on them? What are you, some bleeding heart conservative?

No, I say lock them up forever. Let them watch the world pass them by, while they are stuck in a cage. Let them know, every single god damn day, that they will never again have freedom. They will never again get to touch a woman, enjoy a good meal, see the world. Instead they will be in a cage, forced to remember what they did every single day. Forced to watch the world move on without them... a constant reminder that they are worthless and of no value.

Death is too good for people like this. A few seconds of fear before everything goes black, and they simply no longer exist... freeing them from all emotions and responsibilities. No, that is too easy.

ElektroFreak,

Your original point was that you havent met a single "worthy" man from that region. I brought up one, you then changed your mind and said out of several you have only met a couple. You have provided absolutely no solid proof or point. You have only proven that you lack basic understanding of the English language, or at the very least, the mathematical knowledge of a first grader. Congrats.

Notice how the dumbest ones tend to be the bigots. You are proof that we should just disregard people like you as ignorant fools.

mguy,

if you think that prison is worse than death, then why dont all prisoners who are in jail for life commit suicide? Honestly, if you thought about your point for a minute, you would see there is no logic to what you say.

Momma Tish (#1.5)

I'm in total agreement with you. However, you forgot ONE important final step: HANG THEM!! (I'd say by their @#$%# but that part would already be gone.........)

My question here is since these countries condone this philosiphy why do we as americans use these countries for services, IT People to name just 1.

I have a problem with the entire tone of the discourse on this topic.

Everybody is making it seem like there is something drastically wrong with the Indian men.

Well it is not so.

Like men everywhere else, India has its share of men that are lotharios, perverse and @!$%#ing dogs. But not all men are like that.

By portraying this incident and the issue of rapes in India as an entrenched cultural almost genetic flaw in the Indian male psyche may be emotionally satisfying for some but it detracts from the real reason behind it.

The real reason is the complete and utter breakdown of law and order in India because the criminals have taken over governance in India. Every major politician is either a gangster or fraternizes with gangster. The laxity with which rape victims are treated is not because of culturally entrenched views but because many many times the rapes and other such acts are committed by the sons/relatives/proteges of these politicians and officials and it serves their interest to keep the laws weak and courts weak and the police corrupt.

A tough honest police officer is shunted to the backwaters - on punishment posting - where there are no schools no infrastructure nothing. No promotions. This is in addition to the muscle power that is brought to bear on him.

Scores of reports and guidelines developed by multitude of commissions instituted by the government to improve the state of affairs lies gathering dust and no action is taken. Because the people entrusted with implementing these changes have a vested interest in keeping things shoddy.

Literally hundreds of thousands of court cases sit languishing in Indian courts for years - 10-15-20-25 years but none of the government have done anything to bring in tort reforms, or even implement a plea bargaining system to improve the shameful state of indian judiciary.

Rapes are rapes and men who do rapes are everywhere. From The nicest of suburban communities in America to the dankest of cesspools in Nigeria. The only thing that stands between them is law-enforcement - which has sadly gone missing from India.

Those who say "these countries condone such practices" - I really wonder about you. Who do you think you are ? And what do you think we are ? Are we not human ? If yes then why do you think we are not capable of love honor duty and the ability to differentiate between right and wrong ?

Do you not see the TV clips embedded in the article showing millions of people protesting and fighting for women rights and against the rapists on the streets of India ? Then how can you claim these societies CONDONE such practices ?

MrBurns: WTF does math have to do with this exactly? Still sticking to pointless nitpicking coupled with name calling I see. Totally legit course to take in your argument ;). Keep it up!

All the solid proof I need is in the news every single day.. day in and day out.. 365 days a year (366 in a leap year - wouldn't want to upset your little mathematical world again). If you expect me to just ignore blatant facts and clearly documented occurrences and incidents just so you feel warm and fuzzy you're destined to be disappointed every time. Instead, I intend to focus on each and every act and incident, adding them each to the list of reasons why that entire region is @!$%#.

mguy:

The Death Penalty in Countries like India doesn't mean anything to the criminals.

Life never began for the poor in India anyway--No reason to live, but cause mayhem--as in other 3rd World Countries.

Another thought on another post. If we boycott products from India, it will also have ramifications to the poor never earning the few pennies that are given to them for their slave labor. It is the Indian Government, who are friends of ours, who should be Admonished for the way they treat their people--No Justice ever. That is not realistic, either. "Yin and Yang".

Elektro -

constant flow of barbaric, backward occurrences and incidents being seen, reported, videotaped, photographed, etc. etc.

It's not that such incident happen 24/7 in India. The problem is that it's only these kind of tragedies that catches the interest of your media (and their viewership). All the nice normal human stuff that goes on in that part of the world - I am sure you couldn't be bothered about that.

How many times have you ever thought about India or what goes on over there ?

So basically it seems like a constant flow to you only because every 6-8 months when you hear about India , it is because of such things appearing in your media.

But it works both ways. Let me give you and example. When Indians migrate to India. They hardly ever let their children walk to school or go out and play. They will never leave their children with a white male.

Why ? Because, In Indian media we get a similar constant flow of news about child abuse and pedophilia by Americans and Europeans.

But the result in India is much less pronounced becase India is a very academically inclined society. So most indians - at least the educated middle class indians, read / pursue multiple news sources like BBC, CNN etc so those news stories are not their only window into America

sorry in the previous comment , i meant to say "when indians migrate to America ...."

and Elektra - the females in my family - wife and daughter - will be really amused to know that females in Indians culture are slaves to the men.

I vote we the U.S. send them our "Community Organizer", he can whip things into shape and show them how you just pass a law without asking anyone, or giving a damn what anyone else thinks. He'll hang em high!

These are not humans, but animals... And when animals behave this way, we put them down. Wholey appropriate in this case. It needs to be done soon, though, while the crime is still fresh in everyone's mind. (The main reason capital punishment tends to not be a deterrent, IMO, is that by the time we execute someone, everyone forgets what it was for.

Six members of the ruling party?

@Gunga: Do you figure we don't look at multiple news sources in America? Let me see if I can recall the last time a rape in America involved being held captive in a bus for hours, being beaten, tortured and raped in front of a companion, and then run through with an iron rod, and then as the cherry on top, an attempt at running the victims over with said bus, all supposedly "to teach them a lesson" (which is a manifestation of the ultimate superiority complex)... Sure Americans have committed barbaric acts.. ALL humans have. Are all humans potentially barbaric and backward in some way? Sure.. it's human nature. As I said previously: What separates us from them is that we try to improve ourselves, we try at all times not to allow ourselves AND our society as a whole to be slaves to our nature.

I'm glad your family is solid, in fact I'm happy for you as that is something to be treasured. But it does little to erase the atrocities committed by so many people from that part of the world, both commoners and governors. If you look at Africa, the Middle East, Pakistan, Afghanistan you see that the living condition for females, children and minorities is all too often deplorable. So it may seem wrong to some people that I would hold the entire society responsible, but at the end of the day it is up to any society (the WHOLE society) to ensure that people are treated well and that laws are enforced. Don't take it personally.. chances are a lot of what I describe might not describe you personally. It my description does not fit you, then you're doing well.

Elektro - And as the embedded TV clips in the article show , the multitudes fighting a pitched battle with the corrupt establishment in India are also trying the same.

We didn't write off Americans as baby killers after Sandy hook massacre.

You also don't write off Indians are pervert rapists and animals after this incident.

It took you time to become what you are today. Just yesterday i started watching the first episode of boardwalk empire. The murders. The gun running. The mafias. The baker's help beating his pregnant wife because he thought she was whoring around when all she did was ask the treasurer for help - It took you time to evolve. India is evolving too. Socially it is atleast 50 years backward compared to America today. But these attitudes you are citing were pretty much the same in America just 50 years ago.

Sounds like a plan to me. If it occured here in the US all that would happen would be the perps walking because a lawyer would say the girl was a sadist and got off on the treatment.

Short of a death sentance, perhaps these boys should just be castrated and their dicks seriously shortened, then they will be perfect prison bitches.

In a nutshell - Elektro - I don't have a problem with your diagnosis. It is spot on. I just have a problem with your prognosis.

And don't compare India with middle east or Pakistan. India is to Those countries what America is to India.

While I will agree with some points stated by some and not so much by others, people
need to realize that their culture is what makes these things happen and women’s
rights in that area of the world are unheard of. Some speak that they women are
to partially blame and are only walking wombs. I say, when you are attacked,
killed, beaten, raped, have genital mutilations, and all sorts of atrocities committed
against you for centuries, you tend not to speak up or fight because it leads
to deaths by the hundreds. I have personally seen some Indian people in my neck
of the woods out and about. The woman is NOT allowed to walk beside her husband
and must trail at least 50 paces behind. Women and children are treated as
property and not as someone who should be loved and adored. Also, in that area
of the world (yes India included) rapes are almost ALWAYS blamed on the women.
HOW IN THE HELL IS IT THE WOMAN'S FAULT SHE IS RAPED????? They use rape as a
punishment. Look at the fatwa issues by Saudia Arabia calling for the rape of
all Syrian women. WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THESE ANIMALS??? I absolutely
agree that the punishment should fit the crime. If they rape, castrate them and
cut them off to a stump, just enough to pee with. If they rape and kill,
castrate, cut them off to a stump and then hang them. Tired of this, oh they
made a mistake... bs. Those are things that EVERYONE knows is not ok. Including
your undereducated or uneducated people that some are to say is the cause of
crime. Do not educate. Do not give them access to weights or tv. Prison should
be a punishment, PERIOD! As far as I am concerned, in the US, if someone
commits a crime this heinous, they should not be afforded a second chance.
Where was the second chance for their victim? They had all the same
opportunities in life that we all have had, regardless of the environment. They
choose the easy road, join a gang, commit crimes, steer away from school, they
suffer the consequences. Life is about the choices we make. We suffer consequences for each choice; some good, some bad, but we must live with those consequences and move on, or in some cases be
removed from society.

@Tallguy,

Well said!

I think they should be hanged. They were aware of what they were doing that's including the 17 yr old. Sadly what I think is going to happen is that they will be convicted and sent to prison where the government will hide them for several years and then release them back into society.

"Sadly what I think is going to happen is that they will be convicted and sent to prison"

Sadly, I think it will B India's "OJ show trial". Not only will they walk, but they will probably go after the father upon release.

"After the victim was thrown from the private bus, the driver tried to run her over, but she was pulled away by her companion, a senior police official told Reuters."

WTF? This pos tried to finish her off, but I see no mention of his being charged? Wow...

How could a total stranger have that much hate to take a metal rod and viciously rip her insides out. The punishment needs to fit the crime. Hanging these men would be a good start and set a good example of how to deal with rapists of this caliber.

"The punishment needs to fit the crime."

Gang rape them with a metal rod 'til their insides R ripped out, throw them out of a moving bus, then try 2 run them over with said bus.

I think peeps screaming 4 the death penalty will agree.

Marchant and others,

You are so quick to point out how "barbaric" India is, how smug we appear.

You forget to point out in the USA one rape occurs every 1 to 2 minutes and of the 20% that are reported only 1/4 of time is there an arrest.

Wait, I'm confused again on my conservative friend's point of views.

I thought that rape was, "God's will"

Why are they ranting about hanging the culprits if they were just doing God's will?

Liberal here and I think they should chain these guys up to a post and give the father a dull knife. Let him handle things.

They need women who are Ninjas and Black Belt in Karate!

What would Gandhi do??

@Bosslimo:

Your comment is almost too stupid to answer, but here we go: Where do you get that believing in God means hands down?! And where do you get such a violent crime is God's will? God gave us everything we need to live peacefully, but also gave us intelligence and free will. What we do with our intelligence and free will will be in our account.

Hell, anyone with a child would demand that those beasts be hanged.

If they don't pay with their lives, there's a lot wrong in India, and I'd start the cleanup with the politicians and their outdated mentality towards women.

"Hang the 'monsters' responsible"... I totally agree, however, I would also add the phrase "...by their balls... and let them swing in the wind..." to his request?

If you have ever seen the film "Bandit Queen", the true story about Phoolan Devi, a lower caste woman of a small village in Uttar Pradesh who was married off at 8, raped by her "husband" for being a "rude and embarrassing 'wife' ", then the murder of "Braveheart", ( the name affectionately given the victim by the public), may not come as a shock to you. Phoolan Devi after returning to her village following the rape grew up as an outcast marked woman who after rejecting the advances of higher caste Thakkurs, was banished into the badlands of her country. She shortly afterwards joined a group of bandits/gang whose leader repeatedly raped her until he was finally killed by another member. She and that member ruled that gang until caught by the authorities of a small village. In custody for days, she was again repeatedly raped, if not by all, most of the police officers there. She was paraded naked through the village square, a symbol of defeat, humility and lesson to other gang members. Eventually Phoolan started her own, steal from the rich-give to the poor gang, responsible for the murders of a group of men in that village, who refused to identify the police who raped her. Usually I don't cheer mass killings but this was an exception.

Phoolan and her gang were eventually coaxed out of hiding by a government deal where she agreed to do some time. The government preferred this rather than to put her to death, or imprison her for life, as a popular martyr. Once out of prison she became a member of Parliament representing the solitary voice of lower caste people. In a horrific turn, she was later murdered, shot in cold blood, I think not too far from a government building, the killer smiling as he was taken away. He killed a brave spirit who was a hero to many that day. And yet to many he became a hero himself because after all Phoolan Devi went through, many men still thought of her as an inferior low caste being who finally got what she deserved.

I bet most people have never heard of this low caste Indian female Robin Hood. And that's because there used to be a time when we couldn't care less, we the Americans, we of the world in general. Her story didn't make front page news like Braveheart's does. There weren't so many protesters to shout Phoolan's name, no wide American media to discuss her murder. And so a good thing is occurring now. People are talking about this one, kids have taken it to the streets. Women of all kinds in India are out with signs making their appeal to the modern world. Its about time.

Among misogyny and class issues, India has many problems. The problems range from racial identity, not wanting to see themselves in anyway associated with brown or black peoples, to blatant homophobia. Many Indians honor English as a "superior" language along with its culture to the disdain of non Aryan culture. Their bigotry towards African people, African Americans is said to be unparalleled in Asia. There is said to also be a cultural fear and intolerance towards homosexuality. According to class, many Hindus believe one should not marry outside of the caste or outside of their "race", and if they do, let it be to an Englishman. They equate class with race. There is rampant poverty, girls as young as ten in poor regions can be sold into prostitution. Both Hindus and Muslims see this as an abomination, but the families of these girls have little way of earning money through any form of education. And so girls in Calcutta can remain in that rut for generations.

With exception of prostitution, India's problems are not new to us at all. Many Americans don't believe in marrying outside their "race" or religion. Many Americans are homophobic through and through. Many Americans have all kinds of stereotypes about each other. Many Americans believe that if you work as a waiter or nightwatchman, you're a "low class" worker. Many Americans wouldn't want their kids to marry a low class or even a blue collar worker. It wasn't long ago people of color couldn't vote, women couldn't vote, women couldn't press charges against a husband for rape, that the marriage of a 14 year old to a twenty year old man was legal, young girls worked in sweatshops, kids developed black lung disease in mines. To this day we have racism, women find it difficult to report rape due to the scrutiny of it and so on. These are things we need to change.

In Africa we have seen tribal conflicts host horrific murders of children and raping of women, in Bosnia the horrible rapes and mutilation of women, in WW2 we've seen other Europeans go at it with powerful bombs, pillaging destroying each other because languages were different, some location on a map was different, someone's religion was different. We saw that when the Japanese invaded Nanking, China, or China Tibet. We have seen the decimation of Native and African peoples, through rapes and murder in the Americas, and recently even our attacks in Panama and Iraq have a heavy air corruption and wanton unnecessary violence in them.

All simply put, we have only recently as a race, as a species, begun to put our act together and protest in mass numbers world wide against the worst possible traits of human behavior. In many cases Americans attempt to head the fight on that, but its a good fight, the same one we waged here. So let them protest in India in a big beautiful way, let them say they aren't going to sit by and let this crap happen anymore without a fight. Maybe they need to even kill a couple of rapists and murderers. Let them fight against every one of their hangups, sexism is only one. But they are welcomed just like the rest of us to step up and make their case for a modern liberated human voice. Its about time!

I think a lot of stupid comments here are because most of the Americans do not realize that India and Middle east are not the same. They are vastly different.

India has Indian problems and the extent of those problems is also Indian.

Do not use whatever you know about middle east and try to extrapolate from there.

ElektroFreak,

Dude, Im not some warm fuzzy guy. I know the region is messed up. That is pretty generally accepted. Your original point is that all men from that region are horrible worthless people. That was your point in the beginning. I dont think its a great area. I would never want any female that I cared about to go to the middle east. But Im not dumb enough to think that there arent good men all over the world. You try to turn it into something else because you realized how dumb you sounded. Keep your tin foil hat on, stroke your white hood, and stay out of society. You make the rest of Americans seem to dumb to function in the real world.

Ditto MrBurns !!!

But India is in no way a part of middle east. The culture history religion ethnicity people race are completely different.

They are not even like Celts and Norse who may have some similarity.

India and ME are totally totally different. Even Indian Muslims are different in their outlook practices and genotype than ME muslims.

So how many of you making comments about how these "monsters" need to be hanged are the same ones that will hold a candlelight vigil outside of the prison because someone equally as "monster-ish" is getting the electric chair?

DELHI GANGRAPE-EFFECT? NONE WHATSOEVER! MORE RAPES MAR INDIA

(The Indian Express) PTI Posted online: Tues., Jan. 1, 2013

Even as the entire country is on the boil over the horrific gangrape and subsequent death of the Delhi gangrape victim and security forces are on top alert, instances of rape across the country show no sign of declining as is indicated by the numerous cases of the crime that have been lodged today.

Mumbai: Woman molested at New Year bash in Mumbai
Pune: Minor girl sexually assaulted in Pune
Married woman gang-raped in J-K
Bulandshahr: Panchayat member accused of raping 15-year-old girl
Akola: 20-yr-old girl stalked and harassed by man commits suicide
Akola: Youth gets 10-years rigorous imprisonment for raping minor
Chikmagalu: Man murders girl; angry villagers lynch him
Bangalore: Mentally challenged girl raped
Thane: Spurned lover attacks girlfriend, attempts suicide
Siddharth Nagar (UP): Girl raped by youth
Mumbai: Girl gangraped 9 months back delivers baby, files complaint
Jhajjar: 20-year-old raped
Muzaffarnagar: Four youths arrested for eve-teasing
Akola: 12-year-old girl raped in Buldhana district

"Hang 'em" "Burn 'em" "Execute in the town Square" etc.....

Broadcast it on an all-access cable channel; It will B bigger than "Pro" wrestling; We'll call it................................Live! from Thunderdome.

Some of you are just simply too damn stupid to breathe. You think India and all these other middle eastern countries are basically sh!t, no morals etc. Some of you should start looking no further than the good ole USA. A little research will show that we are among the top in rapes... 1.27 million claimed rapes in 2010 on one study, which gave us the prestige of being number 1 in the world at that time. Before some of you look at other countries and races, do a little research...then again, half of you that come here have a 20% lower IQ than average, I know that actual facts can be a terrible thing for you to face.

Another thing about hanging and killing, I personally think they should live...for awhile. Give them a death sentence, but no definite date. Make life as miserable as possible for these pigs. Find the most sex hungry bull queers (not trying to offend gay people) in prison and let them have at them on a daily basis. Make sure there is no way for them to kill themselves to take the easy way out. After a few days - years of this, turn them over one at a time to the family of the victim. I think this should be done to molestors and all sex offenders.

Indians are animals ...regressive culture ....women are treated as slaves ...rah rah rah ...waa waa waa ...

hmmm right !!!!!

If you look at the website below, you will notice that in both sheer numbers and rate per 100,000 of population, United states leads India by an order of magnitude in terms of Rapes.

For example in 2010, America had 84,767 cases of rapes compared to India's 22,172.

The rates of rapes for America in 2012 per 100,000 population was 27.3 compared to 1.8 for India.

The difference is that in USA, the law and order machinery works. The culprits were swiftly booked and brought to justice. In India - no such thing.

So like i said in my earlier post - It is a law and order problem. Not a problem of entrenched cultural waddya yadda yedda wah that many of you keep rah-rahing about.

India indeed has a problem. But it is no bigger than the problem that America has - in fact much smaller.

I think a bigger problem is American self righteousness.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics

Continued coverage from India on the gang rape case -

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2256444/Revealed-How-youngest-Indian-gang-rapist-cruellest-men-youth-charged-murder.html

@BuffaloDancer

Well said. I'd never heard of Bandit Queen until you mentioned it, and my girlfriend is Indian.

In Georgia, in the U.S. of A., none of these men would be called "rapists," because she didn't fight back. That's the "forcible rape" law that the entire Republican Party signed onto. They would be murderers though, but that's all, and only because she didn't survive.

Don't think that atrocities don't happen in the U.S.A. I wish it weren't so.

I do not see the death penalty as a deterrent, but for punishment. Bury them alive, or burn them alive without anesthetics.

And GungaDin: Do you think that laws of "forcible rape" work in the U.S.A.? Nope. A disabled woman in Georgia who was raped and couldn't fight back (maybe her muscles didn't move, or maybe her wheelchair got in the way), was considered to have allowed the rape because she didn't fight, and the rapist was let out of jail free.

Wait, I'm confused again on my conservative friend's point of views.

I thought that rape was, "God's will"

Why are they ranting about hanging the culprits if they were just doing God's will?

He never said getting raped was God's will (go back and read his exact words). He was referencing the fact that every CHILD is innocent and deserves to live, even if conceived in the violence of rape. It's not the child's fault. If you believe in the sanctity of life, then a life is a life, regardless of how it was conceived. You may disagree with him if you like, but it IS reasonable logic. The logic is not all that different than the logic of those who cry out against the death penalty, even for those who commit horrific crimes. Their logic is the same: All life is sacred.

Bruce : If you can figure out a way to grow the child out side the womb then you can have your innocent child grow to full term and you can take care of it thereafter.

But forcing a woman to carry the result of her rape inside her body, go through the misery pain and discomfort, then bear the pain of child birth and then spend the rest of her life taking care of the baby all the time being reminded of what happened to her and relive the horror - I am sorry you do not have the right to force that on anyone because of your moral views.

Let the women decide. You and other self proclaimed guardians of morals and virtue - stay the F out of it.

Quite frannkly hanging is way to easy. I'd rather torture them to death, and I would gladly join in to assist.

Speaking as a father and a grandfather as well as the husband of a woman who was molested as child, I completely agree with the father of the young woman victim. Hang em high! Only put the noose in back and not on the side.

Willard, they also raped her with an iron bar. I'm a liberal but they need to be DEAD!

They are just plain evil. Evil has no rights. Kill them.

i think we also tried that here in the us.... cant remember the specifics but i believe a couple of men chose castration over jail time a couple of decades ago....

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/03/07/us/texas-court-agrees-to-castration-for-rapist-of-13-year-old-girl.html

don't know if that's truly a solution... or a get out of jail 'free' card...

Perhaps now that the spotlight has been shone so brightly on this case, India will finally take real steps to confront violence against women. I don't hold my breath though; culturally entrenched attitudes are almost impossible to change until the current generation in power dies out.

Off with their peanuts and massage their rears with the same iron bar then hang them by their gonads.

yay

Castration doesn't work, it doesn't take away their psychological need. Rape is a crime of violence, domination, and humiliation. The desire for sex has very little to do with it, other than its use as the weapon of choice. If they didn't have the physical means, they would use some other object.

But in this case, it's sure worth a try....with a dull, rusty knife.

Scum like those rapists deserve to be neutered AND executed.

WillardsEtchASketch

Personally I say cut off their you know what's. Guaranteed they won't rape again after that.

Cutting it off won't matter since rape isn't just about sex. It's about c0ntrol, and they can use their hands, mouth, foreign objects to rape again. A quick death sentence is the only way to put an end to this type of crime.

Have public executions in America, and then watch the crime rate drop real quick.

Castration helps as much as anything else would, if they are kept alive. It will matt

Willard, they also raped her with an iron bar. I'm a liberal but they need to be DEAD!

Oh I agree. After it's cutoff they won't last long. Let them bleed to death. They don't deserve a quick death. They need to die a slow death just like she did. Everything then would will be even.

or do what Gaddafi did. Something I remember reading after he was killed that he used to torture those he had in custody while still in power. Superglue the end of the penis so that when they need to use the bathroom, they would NOT be able to. The feeling of needing to go and you have absolutely no means to go......sinister as hell but for these guys, well deserved in my opinion.

Willard,
Just as sinister and extremely against the Geneva Convention... put a small glass tube up their urethra. Smash the penis with a hammer. Then let them go pee... justice is served.

Exactly. They should get the same treatment as what they did to the poor girl. Hanging is to easy on them.

yea...only difference is that they'll be well informed of their limited time on earth... not at all saying that what happened to this girl is ok... only pointing out that knowing my end date is something i would find horrifying...

Kim i totally agree with you...get a huge iron bar and shove it where the sun don't shine...HARD. also to the damn bus driver who tried to run the poor girl over...sadistic pos

Susan Kilbey....the bus driver was one of the rapists as well. This horror knows no end.

These 6 criminals, including the minor, stole the bus and intended to commit a spree of crimes. They knew full well what their punishment would be at the end of the joyride, just for theft of the bus. Anything less than the death penalty is travesty to this woman and her family, as well as to justice and common decency, of which there is so little left in the world and almost none in India/SE Asia and the MIddle East with regard to the female half of the population.

I am all for justice being served and the executing the gulity parties in this case. My thoughts go out to the family of the poor victim. Womens rights, and huma decenty do not exist there. This is why I would never want to even ever visit India --Some interesting histgory -- but over-all it is a "gutter' country -- I have nothing, I repeat, nothing against the good (and mostly terribly poor) people of this country, all just trying to get by and exisit-- butI have no use for the backward culture and laws, currupt governmnet and general sub-human conditions there. They are shocking and totally unacceptable to any real civilized society. Nothing but crime, filth and sickness running rampute!

I'm confused about that. What was the connection with the bus driver to the rapist? Why would he try to run over the girl?

The bus driver was in on it. It was a private bus with only the perpetrators on board.

Sounds like he wanted to make sure the rape was not reported, and therefore he could not get in trouble for allowing it to happen on his bus.

From what I've read in other articles, the bus driver was part of it. He had someone else drive while he took his turn.

The bus driver was one of the six rapists.

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"From what I've read in other articles, the bus driver was part of it."

and

"The bus driver was one of the six rapists."

Thanks for clearing that up. It didn't specifically say that in this article.

"Police have said the accused have admitted to torturing and raping the student "to teach her a lesson.""

Have any other articles elaborated on what "lesson" these monsters were trying to "teach her"? Was it just that she was going to college and they are against women getting an education?

NBC is by far not the best place to get news. If you try to find some other sources, you see that it was a group of 6 men who took a bus (i forget if they stole it or not) and decided to go on a crime spree. Before picking up the woman and her male friend, they were offering people rides and then robbing them before kicking them off the bus. When these two came on, the men started making sexual and derogatory remarks to the woman. So her male companion started speaking up. This caused them to start beating him. So the woman tried to get them to stop, and that is when they started raping her. This is also why no one buy her male friend tried to help her. It was only the victims and the 6 rapists. Its just that one of the rapists was also driving the bus at the time.

Actually it was the same in America until very recently. And the Suffragettes did not change rape laws, they acheived the vote for womem.

I wasnt referring to "rape laws", I was talking about changing mens attitudes towards women. It took a generation for them to change, and they had to be forced by law. Like during the time of the suffragettes, it will take time for mens attitudes in India to change, and they will have to be forced through the courts.

And men like these animals, will need to be made examples of.

Perhaps if American tourists decided to postpone their visit to the Taj Mahal until after the hanging it would move along faster. A big chunk of tourist money doesn't need to go to a country that can't keep women safe.

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Islam is the majority religion in India now.

FGH - really? Can you provide a source for that?

FAUX NEWS, thats his only source, Bill Oliar to be exact.

A short drop and sudden stop is what I be sayin,, Any man that would do such a thing should hang inthe public square,,, So Mote it be

He was one of the rapists

According to all reputable reports, the bus driver of both bus rapes was the leader of the plan to rape a female to "teach her a lesson." Let India show their respect for their women by teaching all of those rapists, and wild animal like murderers by teaching them a lesson. And I do include the juveniles.

As for the police who carefully hid the assailants faces and heads -- while revealing the name of the victim and her home town, thereby further punishing her and her family -- Lets see India include them as assailants of the girls.

Disgusting. Sadly, Indian women cannot get visas to the USA, I am told. Let's pull all of our jobs our of there and our money, too. I think any of the governments that get in power there ill strart changing their stance towards females of all ages in a helluva hurry.

Someone once told me that to make changes, one needs to hit the bad guys' pocketbooks. Plus it would bring lots of work back here. Double winner.

Please see above, about how the bus driver was one of the rapists involved, and is being charged along with the others.

@ eddie ...why should they be allowed to live????

Because he is a minor...

Minor what? he was 17 years old. In India, they get married when they are 14.

!7 is old enough to know what you are doing is criminal. hang the puke with his buddies. he was just as responsible for her rape and death, why should he be held less accountable. If he was 12 or 13, then maybe we could say he was coersed by the older men, but at 17, he knew sure as sheet what he was doing.

Read the article, this was a GANG.. he was aprt of the gang. they tortured this woman, and others who survived. NOBODY gets a pass. kill em all for this heinous crime.

viva,

Rape is a crime of violence and humiliation, not of sex. Sex is not the desire, only the weapon of choice. Being castrated won't change their psychological need for violence, the rapist will only resort to the use of objects and even more violence. Many of the rapists and child molesters who were castrated committed additional sexual assaults after they were released from prison.

Second what tuli said. They will just use objects instead (as was mentioned in the article), and so it won't really solve the problem-plus it would only be applied to people who have already committed rape-first time/not caught offenders wouldn't be effected by this in the least.

Castration removes one half of the problem. The most important part. Some rapists might resort to objects but their ability to get pleasure would be gone.

Perhaps one or all of you is a rapist who does not like the proposal of castration?

I don't disagree with the idea-I just don't think it will solve the problem.

FGH Rape is a hate crime, not a sex crime so castration will not work ( unfortunately ). Yes these monsters need severe punishments but hanging will not even slow down these crimes. The only thing will slow these heinous crimes is for the government itself to change, and that is not likely.