I'm completely opposite. When I see anything happening I stick my nose right in the middle of it.

My wife is Chinese. She always tells me it is dangerous and I should ignore trouble and stay in the house or car or seat or whatever.

I stopped 3 Hispanic gangbangers from stuffing a girl into a car once.

It gave me a great feeling.

I couldn't imagine just driving past and hearing about her on the news later.

Luckily the punks were young and didn't have any prison muscles yet.

Every time I hear another account of the type of prejudice and bigotry practiced in India and sanctioned by the government and people there I am appalled by the fact that our own government keeps touting that country as an outstanding ally and partner in global affairs.

It still indulges in the caste system; it was in India that last year a mother and sister strangled another daughter of the house because she had fallen in love with a young man the family considered inferior to their class and was planning to marry him.

And while people will often try not to get involved out of fear of being harmed themselves, I can't see too many who would let a seriously beaten young woman lie naked on the street for an hour without trying to provide help, in this country.

This is a sad but we should understand that this sort of human behavior is prevalent everywhere. Hoping that next time a situation arises, probably people who learned from this including me will try and react better to someone's need or a crisis.

To some us who are being sanctimonious and saying how our country is great and all, recognize that we have trouble and shortcomings despite the greatness. Or need I remind that the reaction around the world would have been similar upon hearing massacre of school kids in the Connecticut which too happened in the 21st Century. Apples and Oranges maybe, but equally outrageous.

Shipwrecked: So you decry the fact that a woman was raped in India and think the cure is to nuke the entire country? I guess you want to use a smart nuke that only kills bad people.

Shipwrecked, the unfortunate victim wasn't raped by India; she was raped by six drunken thugs. If you wish to nuke every country that harbours a crime there won't be a single nation left on earth.

one day all these people who refused to help, have to make peace with God or who ever their higher power is and thats when judgement comes in. let something happen to them who just passed by and no one helps and lets see how they like it.

Lisa, a good bit of what we see and experience these days is the result of there simply being too many humans on the planet ... 7 billion that is set to be 9 billion within another decade or two. There's plenty of psychological research on what happens when too many mice are placed in a small enclosure; the chaos and violence that erupts among those groups of research mice replicates what is happening around the globe. Characteristics that were once just "human nature" are becoming polarized: Today, one small segment of humans step up to fully participate in order to better society, while the opposite small segment of mostly feral males does everything in its power to destroy society and all within. But the bulk of the planet are do-nothing spectators. It's a race to see how long the fully involved participants can dog paddle and then swim a bit to drag the lifeboat full of venal males and self-absorbed spectators to safety. Perhaps the surprise is that there are any who give a damn anymore. Obviously, in some places on the planet there aren't any.

"The bystander effect or Genovese syndrome is a social psychological phenomenon that refers to cases where individuals do not offer any means of help in an emergency situation to the victim when other people are present. The probability of help has often appeared to be inversely related to the number of bystanders; in other words, the greater the number of bystanders, the less likely it is that any one of them will help. The mere presence of other bystanders greatly decreases intervention. In general, this is believed to happen because as the number of bystanders increases, any given bystander is less likely to notice the situation, interpret the incident as a problem, and less likely to assume responsibility for taking action."

- from wikipedia

In 1964, the murder of Catherine Susan "Kitty" Genovese, on a New York City street, in a series of attacks, over several hours, while local neighbors looked on and never even called the police, became emblematic of urban indifference to others in America. It galvanized the attitude of the nation and inspired a famous song by Phil Ochs, "Outside of a Small Circle of Friends" (see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta_iKeH4tsg).

Perhaps this brutal rape and murder will serve as a similar signal to the people of India that something is seriously wrong in their society, and spark some changes.

Maybe.

shipwrecked, you want to nuke India because young ladies are getting raped? Wouldn't you be killling all victims of rape in that country also? The stupidity on these vines gets worse and worse day in and day out. What makes it worse is that there are five other imbeciles who also agree with your idiotic comment.

I hope this thugs don't get off too easy but it's another country and only time will tell. I also hope that Indian men in this country grow a pair and fight this evil that lives among them. My thoughts and prayers are with this young ladies family.

Too bad cell phone photos aren't available showing the bystanders doing nothing. Each of them should be charged with murder also. I hope they are in hiding for their sakes and that they are not discussing what they saw with others.

MSN Horribly edited this.

Reading this and then reading other news sites (Xfinity, yahoo and a few others) the guy said much more about the attack and what happened. He also said it was over an hour and that it took the police almost a 1/2 hour for the police to decide what to do. I guess the guy gave a huge interview and it's being investigated by the police because apparently they're not happy with the media outlet in India providing the interview.

It looks like Xfinity removed their original article which is disappointing.

We should send Ice-T and Ice Cube over there, and they can sing their new national anthem of, "F The Police!".

In all seriousness, this girl had a chance to live, if the popo had acted more urgently. Which asks the question,"why haven't there been announced firings and resignations?" of the insensitive police officers, that acted unsympathetic toward this young lady and her friend. For I believe, they are just a few pond scum degrees above the UNEVOLVED ANIMAL attackers.

The Indian society over there, are like Adam Lanza and James Holmes, with their desensitivity toward their fellow human being's. And the first ones that need a wake up call are their leaders and police officials. Wake the F up or go to H E double hockey sticks, or whatever you Hindi's believe!

No wonder there is over one billion of these horn bags

MC Gusto, I too always help. Maybe I should be glad I am alive - but I slso have other positive reasons to be glad that I am alive.

This can happen in any big city. There was a famous case in New York City---I do not remember the name of the victim--the woman was being stabbed, and she was screaming for quite a long time--in the street, and no one helped her. Later, psychologists did analyze the case.

I think it is not unique to any large urban area. It is unfortunate, and this case may wake people up.

Kitty Genovese - I remember the case well. It was a long time ago, but the first time I remember hearing the excuse "I just didn't want to get involved." Never mind putting themselves in danger to try to stop the murderer - no one even called the police while it was happening.

The Kitty Genovese case was over forty years ago and while people will still not get involved some times while the crime is being committed out of fear of being hurt themselves, they would not let the victim lie on the street like that for over an hour after the criminals had left the scene, just stepping over her or standing around.

I know there are stories of people stepping over homeless people who have died and are lying on the sidewalks, but in those cases, the homeless were thought to be sleeping.

We now have cell phones and smartphones and the memory of Kitty Genovese. We also have rape kits at hospitals and underwear for the victims to wear home, and training for police and other first responders, and public awareness and 911 phone lines.

Back then there were no cell phones, only payphones, they were not everywhere, and many times they were jammed or didn't work if you didn't have the coins. There were no 911 toll-free calls. Dialing "0" for operator was a bust if you didn't know the address of the payphone.

I don't know what each and every person's reasoning was in the situation, but I do know that there have been studies about the terrible event since then, and the mind thought was, "I don't know what to do--maybe someone else here does."

I would hope that things have improved in the United States.

Having worked in law enforcement, there is a mentality often seen among those who witness crimes and the victims which can be misunderstood by many. In the face of something seen as disturbing and unsettling, witnesses will frequently assume that someone else will step forward to respond to the needs of the victims of crimes. Believing that others more qualified and stronger to handle what has happened, will meet the needs of the people involved.That they themselves are not strong enough to handle the situation at hand and deal with the emotional nor mental burdens required.

What ends up happening in the end however, is that no one steps forward.As an endless stream of people pass the victim by.Who, desperate for help, is stunned by the lack of assistance from anyone around them. This was in fact one of the factors which played a key role in the Kitty Genovese case so many years ago. Neighbors who could have come to her aid, instead, waited for someone else. Not wanting to get involved.

One important lesson learned from that case and so many others in the decades which followed was this. If you are ever the victim in a criminal act, and there are people nearby, point to one person, and ask them for help specifically. It makes it clear, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that that person is being asked, they know they are being asked, and others in the crowd will know what is going on.If that person doesn't respond after repeated attempts, then choose another, look them in the face, repeat your demands for help.

In this horrific case of mass rape of a lovely woman in India, there are several factors which make it such singular example for its country. First, the whole culture in India, which doesn't view women as even worth the same as animals. Second, the mentality that crimes against women are not only totally acceptable, but if rapes happen, women are at fault,they deserve them, these won't be prosecuted and it's the families fault as well. Third,women are property and hence have no rights. Last, men can do what ever they want to women and neither the police, who are there only to control, nor the government will hold them accountable. There is no justice in India for women.The fact a rape occurs every twenty minutes in that country, speaks for itself. It is for all these reasons, a culture has been created which allows men to rape,torture and murder women without any fear of penalty.

New tougher laws can help curb some of these attacks when enforced by more caring police and courts. However, it is the culture itself which is creating the mentality. Until you change the mentality, starting in the homes, including the women themselves who are raising these men, it will not change very much.Women can't afford to wait decades and generations,losing countless victims. Pressure must come from all areas and even internationally for change.The government must realize the people themselves will not tolerate such vicious crimes daily against helpless victims while it does nothing as usual anymore.

This beautiful student, who dreamed of being a doctor, so she could help her village be a better place one day, truly has been sacrificed. One can only hope, her offering may be the pebble that rolls down a mountain, starting an avalanche of change for all females in her country someday.

Windancersong--you bring up a good point about people not knowing what to do and thinking that someone else more qualified will do something. I can see where that would be the thought process for some people, maybe even many people. And your suggestion in your third paragraph is excellent--thank you!

Seconded, thank you Windancersong, excellent point

Being in I.T., I have met many people from India and in every case, they are the total opposite of what happened here. You seldom if ever read about these people getting in trouble with the law here in the U.S. One thing I'm wondering about this group of savages is what religion are they? Nothing is mentioned if they are Hindu or Muslim?

I believe the bus driver took a turn.

According to an earlier article, the bus driver tried to run her over after she was thrown from the bus. Her friend rolled her out of the way, just in time. I agree, the bus driver should be charged with the same crimes as the other thugs (unless the bus driver is one of the 5 already being charged, no details on suspects has been provided, that I know of) and subject to the same punishments as the others.

It was a group of 6 men who stole the bus and went on this crime spree, including one who drove the bus and a 15-year-old boy - all of whom plotted and participated in this horrific incident. Pack of wild dogs is all they are. Shooting all 6 would be the best solution.

Unfortunately, someone with a gun might have been there to protect the rapists while they were busy.

Just what I was thinking. Both the NY incident so long ago and this incident. A concealed weapon would have ended this before it got that far. A semi automatic concealed weapon would have taken them all down. No rape would have occured. In the end, I suspect the shooter would have a terrible time defending themselves from the neanderthal authorities over there. Especially if the shooter was the female.

It's cyclic...civilizations ebb and flow, pinnacles and troughs. Check the historical zenith of the Muslims a few centuries ago...look how quickly the British empire (d)evolved last century.

America will be is no exception to the rule. Doesn't it feel as though we are in the midst of such change?

It pisses me off how much energy religions use towards destroying our history.

Holding back progress out of fear of loosing their influence .

I hope Muslims don't try to destroy any of Egypt's great history.

We have our own problems with disrespect for women, in case you have forgotten "the war on women" in the last election. Legitimate rape, invasive procedures, young women being called sluts on the radio for stating their opinions....the everlasting attempt by the church as a whole to control us because of "Eve" and original sin......and we still have rape victims who are blamed because of the "way they are dressed"......so lets don't be high and mighty over this and say it only happens in "other" countries.

Thanks Kathryn, you're right on.

Every society has issues with women. Men inherit a need to dominate everything and be in control and to subdue their softer side...the side that expresses compassion, empathy, love and kindness. To men, this is what women represent, so to suppress these characteristics (can't dominate if you are kind!), they suppress women.

Until men are willing to finally embrace their whole selves and recognize that man and woman together are a whole...no society will be whole. The saddest thing is how this domination and uglier side has been institutionalized by mainstream religions.

Yo homie. I live in Reno.

I've seen the Reno fire fighters in action.

They do good in wild fires but besides that they seem lazy and slow.

Unlike the United States, where most states do not require an untrained person to render aid. If you are a good Samaritan, check the laws in your state to find out how much liability you incur by rendering aid.

It depends upon the aid you try to render. I'm first aid, basic trained, and I can legally render aid up to a certain point, with the first step (if the victim is an adult) to send someone or contact someone to get help, and there are things I should and should not do. I've been trained not to move a body unless that person is in mortal peril. If I were not trained, and I moved a body that was not in mortal peril, and that person is disabled as a result, then I am liable.

Which is why taking the responsibility to get basic first aid training would help everyone.

Calling the police and rendering comfort is not asking too much nor is it subject to liability.

"That's not my look-out," many people used to say in the 1800's. "It's not my business," is what they say now.

I hope like babies... wake every three hours, crying, nightmares, and messed the bed.

right on.

Good job.

Karma.....it will get you every time.

Sherrie-299765

Sherrie,
I wish the world had more people like you dear, so many many times everyone turns the other cheek and pretends like they do not see what happened. I sure wonder what those people would feel like if and when the same thing happened to them! Panic, Fear, helplessness, etc, unless there were a perp with a weapon standing right there and I didn't have a weapon myself to defend the both of us with I might stay back but it would all depend on the situation at hand.

I myself have saved 3 people in my lifetime, 2 from fires where I entered the building before the fire dept showed and one when a young girl was drowning and I rescued her from a river (The Saint Croix River in Wisconsin/Minnesota) in the middle of the night!

I don't understand why the police would have been such A holes but at least you didn't get hurt and "Great Job" indeed, you should be proud of yourself and consider your towel a gift to the lady to always remind her of the day you saved her bacon.

As to the the main article,
If someone needs help and no matter what country it is in and we do nothing to help we are almost as bad as the criminal is, its funny how a little help can go along way to get others involved as well.
Something to think about at least.

If it was your daughter who was gang raped and killed or was shot in the head, you would very likely not be saying, "Enough is enough. Lets move on." Fooey on you. With friends like you, who needs enemies.

Nonsense. Sati is forbidden and illegal. Rape is illegal. The criminals in this case are in jail, awaiting trial. Indian law is based on English law. As far a religion, India is home to all the major and minor religions... including Christianity. Educate yourself, dude. I see worse every time I pick up an American paper---

Every woman over there should carry a straight razor to neuter the next piece of sh*t who rapes.

Absolutely right. I've seen Americans do some unbelievably cruel and stupid things...just look on the web. But...I'd also like to think this assault would have been nipped in the bud by any decent bystanders, men and women, who I believe for sure are the great majority of us. This is what happens when to treat a class, race, religion of people like dirt... they will one day rise up, slaughter you like cattle, and level the field for you, maybe with your face. And the Indian government couldn't deserve it any more.

I couldn't agree more, and also think any police involved in waiting an hour to intervene should suffer the same fate, forgo all pensions, go straight to prison. Iexpect a civil war atmosphere in India, and couldn't agree more with them. People will die if they don't change their laws regarding women and rape...mark my words.