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In this Dec. 29, 2012 photo, a worker looks through a snow-covered bus window while on his way to inspect electric power transmission lines after heavy snow in Huaibei, in central China's Anhui province. China Meteorological Administration says the country's average temperature has hit the lowest in 28 years this winter, as snow and ice throughout China have closed highways, canceled flights and stranded travelers. The figures released by the administration on Friday, Jan. 4, 2013 show the national average was -3.8 degrees Celsius (25 degrees Fahrenheit) since late November.
Temperatures in China have plunged to their lowest in almost three decades, cold enough to freeze coastal waters and trap 1,000 ships in ice, official media said at the weekend.
Since late November the country has shivered at an average of minus 3.8 degrees Celsius (25 degrees Fahrenheit), 1.3 degrees colder than the previous average, and the chilliest in 28 years, state news agency Xinhua said on Saturday, citing the China Meteorological Administration.
Bitter cold has even frozen the sea in Laizhou Bay on the coast of Shandong province in the east, stranding nearly 1,000 ships, the China Daily newspaper reported.
Zheng Dong, chief meteorologist at the Yantai Marine Environment Monitoring Center under the State Oceanic Administration, told the paper that the area under ice in Laizhou Bay was 291 square km this week.
Transport around the country has been severely disrupted.
More than 140 flights from the state capital airport in central Hunan province were delayed, while heavy snowfall forced the closure of some sections of the Beijing-Hong Kong-Macau Expressway, the China Daily said.
Temperatures in the northeast fell even further, reaching a 43-year low of minus 15.3 degrees Celsius (4 degrees Fahrenheit), about 3.7 degrees below the previous recorded average.
One truck driver in southeastern Jiangxi province, caught in a 5 km (3.1 miles) queue caused by a pileup that happened after heavy snowfall, told China Daily the snow and extreme cold had caught him unawares.
"I didn't expect such a situation, so I've brought no warm coats or food. All I can do now is wait," trucker Yao Xuefeng told the paper.
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China is the world's most prolific generator of greenhouse gasses. How's that global warming horse manure work again?
The UN should tax them for being too cold. This cannot be good for the rare single spined sea urchin.
The planet is going to do what the planet is going to do. Any serious study of the changing climate on this planet for the last millions of years will show that what is happening is cyclical and has happened numerous times before. And guess what? Man wasn't even around during some of them.
This is just another ploy for governments (and certain people like Al Gore) to tax and control populations. Take money away from people who earned it and give it to criminals like good old Al instead.
Al Gore was right!!!!
Oh wait...he said Global Warming
"Temperatures in China have plunged to their lowest in almost three decades"
It's part of China's program to combat 'Global Warming'. lol
The question I have is;
"Who gets to spend the money, and on what?" when their 'Carbon Credits' nonsense begins.
Weather and climate are not the same. There are plenty of scientists studying this and there is about as much scientific consensus as for anything else. I know there are still some scientists, even a few with real credentials, who deny HIV causes AIDS. There are precious few scientists and studies that dispute man made warming. No one knows how much is man made but few dispute that it is significant. It doesn't matter anyway. Minimizing our waste of resources is good for other reasons. Keeping our oceans and lakes healthy is cost effective in the long run. I am not a climate scientist and I doubt many else on here are but I do have a science background. This is a scandal like tobacco is and like we'll see with food eventually. The entire right wing MO is to be dicks. They don't care about facts or evidence. They wish something to be and therefor in the bubble, it is. There is no other country that disputes climate change. When we see the sea ice come back and we see a reversal in global temperature trends then maybe you can post.
"Damn Global Warming"
We were warned and still laughed it off as silly and no we reap what we sow !
a sad sad day !
Record cold temps? Now there's an "Inconvenient truth!"
Once again here's another example of Global Cooling like Alaska's Coldest Winter or Antarctica's Record Ice Pack or the British Met's Claim of Neutral Temperatures for the last 16 years.
And all to be equally dismissed merely as "Weather" but not "Climate"!
"Climate is what you expect, weather is what you get."~Robert A. Heinlein
Now I am concerned, they will never agree to any “Climate warming reversal” initiatives and we will have to double our efforts!!!
Seymour -- you're right in stating this is all cyclical for our planet: "Man wasn't even around during some of them." But the scientific point THIS TIME is that the 6 billion people on this planet are accelerating that cycle. Seymour? That's a Republican name, isn't it?
Please name one person who "isn't" out sticking their hands out or already into our pockets who still "Claims" Man Made Global Warming to be true?
See folks even I'll prove Global Warming is a "Emergency Super World Ending Catastrophic Western Industrial Caused Corporate Solved Man / Woman Made Crisis" if you will just give me a little more money.........
“Taxes are not levied for the benefit of the taxed.” ~ Robert A. Heinlein
Despite a local anomalous weather event the global trend is raising temperatures. This is fact whether you want to stick your head in the sand and remain ignorant over it or not.
Even if the global trend is a "natural cycle", the scientific consensus is that humans are contributing to this trend through carbon emissions. Is it really a bad idea to curb carbon emissions regardless if it's a natural cycle or not? Isn't it better to err on the side of caution for the sake of our children and their children down the road?
Hmmm...... World Resources Institute identifies 1,200 coal plants in planning across 59 countries, with about three-quarters in China and India.... http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/nov/20/coal-plants-world-resources-institute
Impact of EPA's Regulatory Assault on Power Plants: New Regulations to Take 34 GW of Electricity Generation Offline and the Plant Closing Announcements Keep Coming.... http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/epa-powerplant-closures/
So please tell US how closing even more American power plants and taxing US further is going to help "Global Warming"?
"What are the facts? Again and again and again – what are the facts? Shun wishful thinking, ignore divine revelation, forget what "the stars foretell," avoid opinion, care not what the neighbors think, never mind the unguessable "verdict of history" – what are the facts, and to how many decimal places? You pilot always into an unknown future; facts are your single clue. Get the facts!" ~ Robert A. Heinlein
This headline just shows that the Chinese Republicans have a better grip on the media than in the western world. Since the Communists are clinging to power by allowing free enterprise and (regulated) capitalism you can bet they don't want the people to realize that they, just as in the West, are being sacrificed to the great god Mammon.
The reason they changed it from global warming to climate change is EXACTLY because of people who don't understand that localized weather phenomena are not the same as global trends. We can have a debate about the science, but when you say that a cold snap somewhere is proof that global warming (or whatever you choose to call it) is a hoax, it just makes you look like you don't have any idea what you're talking about. I don't claim to be an expert, but I know enough to know that people who make those kind of claims know virtually nothing about the topic.
This is news why? Are you nuts? Who do you guys think cares, eh? How about this, my little Chihuahua took a big dump. How's that for news?
The reason they changed the term from "Global Warming" to "Climate Change" is because they want to make it easier to lie to everyone! It is kind of like a Weatherman who say there is a 50% chance of rain so he is always right. Next, I am sick and tired of hearing about "settled science"! By definition, of Albert Einstein, science means that you must always question, never settle! I think that a man of this stature should have a little sway in discussions of "science".
The entire climate issue is a way for the liberals in this world to empty the pockets of everyone who produces anything so that they don't have to sweat for a living. Now we have entire governments who "believe" that "Climate Change or Global Warming" is a very convenient way to overtax their populations. Just think: Who could question trying to save or world? Just empty your wallets and let our leaders take care of our needs!
RTypo: I think a look around the world at current weather conditions would exclude an "anomalous weather event" as the cause for China's freeze...
If you're so concerned about "our children" think about how crippling the cost would be to modify our use of carbon related products for energy production. Our entire world society is based on the automobile and electricity, and modifying the current system would take decades to implement while incurring unprecedented debt the kiddies could never repay.
Nobody I know or have read is advocating taking an axe to our dependence upon fossil fuels. That's impossible. Of course you can't just cut it off all at once.
Not only is climate change a concern among the knowledgeable, fossil fuels are unsustainable in the long run as they are a finite resource. Taking steps now to reduce our dependence upon traditional energy sources is a win-win, both for the environment and as a counter to rising fuel costs. Fuel costs that will only rise as demand out paces supply and supply continues to dwindle.
If we invest in alternative energy now it will reduce the cost and help the environment for future generations. Not everything is about you, me and our generation in the present.
Oh, no! Call Bozobama and the all-knowing climate bozo Algore! How could this be, with the highest producer of those EEEEEEEEVIL greenhouse gases?
Gore and a bunch of politicians have a fit over what we are doing to future generations over the fossil fuels, global warming etc. but don't bat an eye lash over the deficit we are leaving future generations. Seems pretty dumb to me....
It's called climate change and this is more proof of it.
So let's just all trash the planet! Yay! Let's have a big trash party in denial that any thing is wrong with the health of mother earth. Yet there's a plastic island the size of Texas floating along in the ocean. Landfills overflow with excess trash and plastic that takes a million years to break down. I'm going to buy a super big SUV today! Screw the children and children's children. Who needs clean air! Scientists Schmientists.
Where's all that global warming bs. I bet China will double it's greenhouse gases to speed it up since it's failed miserable in arriving like all these people cry about "global warming" coming.
I never will believe in or fall for any of this global warming bs. The planet had extreme heat waves before becoming industrialized and all of a sudden, the people are the cause for global warming.
The world didn't end with the Y2K scam either, and the invisible man in the sky ain't gonna do much for you either.
RtypO -
And yet, you continue to squander our resources typing on your petroleum dependent keyboard and using electricity to try to educate the "unknowledgeable."
Who appointed you to so waste our precious resorces?
@MUW
Your quoting of Heinlein is like quoting L. Ron Hubbard. Both were science fiction writers.
BTW, Heinlein also believed in a single, strong world-wide government.
LOLZ....Before I opened the comments I knew some idiot would say..."See global warming at work"....LOLZ...There are a lot of idiots here.....
But the UN would have to tax the US even more for belching more over the decades.
Stay away from dope.
Is mankind effecting some of the Global Warming? I believe the answer is YES.
Can we do anything practical about it? I believe the answer is NO.
So what should we do? ADAPT - That has been the answer throughout history. There is not a single thing that the United States, by itself, can do that would make any difference, and history shows that 'adapting' will be far more cost effective than any other course of action.
Instead of wasting our time and resources on trying to 'stop' the changing climate, we should invest in 'preparing' for the inevitable climate change. Besides, who is to say that a 2% increase in average temperatures is any worse than what we currently have. Most of the periods of dramatic progress and economic growth in the last two thousand years occurred during warming periods, and most of the misery occurred during periods of global 'cooling'.
I got cold feet playing poker at the casino last week. That has to mean something!!??
What part of average or global don't you uneducated people who think global warming is a hoax understand? The science is not out on this. The numbers/facts are not up for debate. The average global temperature is increasing. I'd like to say this broadly to all conservative types: your ignorance is not just as good as someone else's knowledge.
What exactly is so difficult to accept about this anyway? Your reaction is as though you think someone is trying to scam you. To what end? What possible purpose could anyone have for pretending global warming is occurring? No one is out to destroy industry. When reasonable people discovered global warming was happening and recognized its potential consequences, they realized they had to try to slow or stop it. That's what sane people do. Insane people cast doubt on it for no apparent reason -- perhaps because they are in denial or simply can't accept change. Either way, that is not healthy. Then there is the economic argument: claiming it will be expensive and bad for the economy to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. How do you reckon? Money spent on new research, technologies, and equipment doesn't simply disappear; it goes to other businesses and other workers, who in turn will continue to spend their money and put it back into the economy. It is essentially a new market driving a new industry. There is no overall harm to the economy, because money doesn't simply vanish. The only people who stand to lose from trying to fix global warming are the heavy-polluting industries, and big surprise, they are the ones represented by the people who perpetuate global warming doubts: Fox News and Republicans. You have to wonder what they're thinking, though, because if climates shift and we lose arable land or food chains collapse, the consequences to the economy will be catastrophic. Compare the economic impact of coastal flooding and high food prices to the relatively minor inconvenience of reducing carbon emissions. The people opposed to doing something about greenhouse gasses are simply greedy, selfish, short-term thinkers.
Ever notice that there is never any science backing claims against global warming? Only doubt?
Roy Wilson-336103--um...that would be 'AFFECTING'...
It never ceases to amaze me at how readily the deniers show their complete ignorance of the subject. All the talk about "Al Gore" for instance. Al Gore is a political figure in the US and as such will suffer attacks from the opposing side. Global warming is a GLOBAL issue and is taking place in areas where no one has even heard of Al Gore. So just how is Al Gore's evil scheme going to make its way all the way over to China, Russia, Europe, etc. and have any effect on what all the scientists over there are finding? Think about it, idiots. Local weather? Climate change? Some areas will get hotter and drier. Others will get colder and wetter. It is called CHANGE for a reason. And it's being powered by a gradual WARMING of the planet. I doubt if you would find a handful of scientists not on the Koch payroll who would disagree with that.
But anyway, a good "hip hip hooray!" for the idiot reichwingers out there. If national intelligence levels are an indicator of international performance then I would suggest you move over and let the smarter nations pass you by. They will.
It's got to be really bad when we are relying on the Chinese to counteract all the hot air coming out of Washington D.C.! Only in the US can you be facing an economy destroying $16 trillion deficit fiscal cliff and the solution is to add another $4 trillion to the deficit. Of course, that $4 trillion is on top of the trillions that would already be added without help from Washington.
I don't think I've ever seen so many willfully ignorant comments in one place in my life. And proud of your ignorance too, huh? America the Ignorant ... never thought I'd see my country go to stupid in my lifetime, but here it is. Great job, Jethro.
Annie-322924 "Roy Wilson-336103--um...that would be 'AFFECTING'..."
Your ignorance of the English language is showing. My use of 'effecting' was grammatically correct.
'EFFECT' -
1. Something brought about by a cause or agent; a result.
2. The power to produce an outcome or achieve a result; influence: 'The drug had an immediate effect on the pain. The government's action had no effect on the trade imbalance.'
Mariannayes992
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25 degree's ain't chit, come up to N. Minn. for a winter..I don't much care what happens to China, they are part of the reason our country is going down..I hope it gets colder there let them go copy some heaters.
Best line in the entire thread !
The effects of Global Warming aren't predicted to be hotter temps all the time for all you idiots that haven't even read the information. It's extreme weather conditions. Such as Droughts, Extreme Freezing, Hurricanes, Tornadoes, Floods, Monsoons, ECT... We had the coldest winter on record 3 years ago in Oklahoma City, and have had the worst drought on record, also the hottest summer on record with the most consecutive days over 100 degrees, and then topped that the following summer. So if you wan't to act like Global Warming isn't happening, your a complete idot. Everyone agrees that it's happening at this point. The only argument anymore is if it is caused by us or not. Do some research before you act like you know what your talking about.
Roy Wilson... um Roy, sorry but the 'effect' is already here (global climate change) and humans are 'affecting' that effect. Definiton of affect: To have an influence on or effect a change in....
Moreover, you're rather a nasty person, aren't you? Name calling is the battlecry of a weak mind.
Funny it seems to be getting colder everywhere. Less rain but getting colder. It used to get a lot hotter 15 years ago.
Backtobasics - How's it work? Easily answered, on one side we have a mountain of evidence, both statistical and anecdotal, demonstrating that the world's climate has been warming over the last century and a half, and an accelerating rate. On the other side, we have folks like yourself, who see that somewhere it is still snowing in winter, therefore man-influenced global warming is nothing but a hoax. Usually Al Gore gets mentioned too, as some sort of demon of the left, with his expensive, energy-consuming homes offered as some sort of proof that it is all a hoax.
That's about it.
When you get done marveling at the cold temperatures in China, check out the ice reports in the arctic, where large stretches of that ocean is now open and ice free for the first time in the historical record.
But it is snowing in China. So it must all be a hoax.
Well, Roy, I half agree with you. We cannot absolutely stop it. But we should not merely resign ourselves to passive adaptation. There are actions, if taken globally, which could slow and mitigate man's effect on the global climate. But it will require concerted action and agreement on the part of most national governments.
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Damn global warming (and warning). What do you say Al Gore fans!
It is all the hot air that comes from these folks that is really the problem.
This is a hoax! They're using hockey sticks to fudge the data! Frikken commies!
Funny but global warming went away when Al Gore shut up didnt it Hmm I wonder
Ah, good. Cue the "warmers" and the "deniers.!" It's stale and repetitive, but good for NBC's bottom line . . .
Surprising, though, to see NBC report this.
I know. It's a broken record. Same old arguments and the same old rebuttals.
I know what can be done if the facts don't fit global warming. Call it something else, like "climate change" and then you'll still have an excuse to steal everybody's money no matter what the weather does.
mpa-4893349
Ah, good. Cue the "warmers" and the "deniers.!" It's stale and repetitive, but good for NBC's bottom line . .
Surprising, though, to see NBC report this.
I know right damn weather no cooperating with your extortion plan ! don't worry maybe the sun will throw a couple solar flares your way, to get you back on track !
Oh and how dare msdnc report the truth for once, don't worry probably some new intern in charge of web news, next week the other idiots will be back from vacation for you, so put down the razor blade !
Ask the polar bears if climate change is real or not...
They can't TALK stupid!
Climate Change from burning fossil fuels...we-are-screwed...end of story...it's over, man; it's over...cue the fat lady...let's hurry to Mars...(leaves computer to turn the central heat up two more degrees.) Freaking global warming!
I didn't mean it literally. You can't really be *that* thick..
Google "evidence for global climate change" or "evidence for global warming" and draw your own conclusions. It would have to be a pretty big conspiracy for climate scientists around the world to come to such a consensus would it not?
Yeah, RTypo, Google makes everyone a friggin' expert on all matters!
"Ask the polar bears if climate change is real or not..."
It's been too cold up there Rtypo, and besides, their numbers are increasing.
Polar bears are increasing but I read that the ice seals are now on the endangered species list. No matter how you look at it some animal is in deep do-do. Did you know (not counting man's efforts) that on average, 25 plants and animals become extinct every day? Why do these animal rights nuts only show cute animals that are going to become extinct? As much as 500,000 households in America are hungry and 925 million people world wide are starving. PETA=People Eating Tasty Animals.
Polar bears kill and eat people. We protect them.
Crack heads just kill people. We lock them up and many would just shoot them.
Maybe if crack heads became cannibals, they would be protected?
We could just feed the crack heads to the polar bears, We would have to detox them(crack heads) first to prevent the polar bears from becoming crack heads but I think it has merit.
The question is are the ice seals becoming endangered because there are too many polar bears eating them, So my idea of feeding the crack heads to the polar bears would help the ice seals as the polar bears would be eating lees of them and more crack heads, We just have to fatten the crack heads up to get some blubber on them.
I don't mind paying for food for crack heads as long as it is going to a good cause like feeding polar bears and saving ice seals!
http://www.polarbearsinternational.org/about-polar-bears/what-scientists-say/are-polar-bear-populations-booming
LOL Alsop, You use an article from an organization that solicits money to save polar bears and has no scientific basis as an argument for what.
That organization exists on public funding/private donations, Certainly they are going to say polar bear populations are diminishing, How else will they get people to donate to their organization.
Lostdude,
Try reading it before posting such BS. They were very straight-forward on their information acknowledging that much was only based on guestimation. Their conclusion, without having access to factual data on populations (it doesn't exist) was that the hunting grounds of the polar bears are diminishing and that logically without adequate food source the populations will be impacted.
Like I said, it would be great if you would respond to the actual info of the said article rather than jump in with politically motivated conclusions.
alsopdude, That website is no more than a commercial soliciting funds for their agenda, It proves nothing and is based on "your word" guestimations without having actual facts.
You used it to try to prove a point without having to actually defend your point. You hoped that people would read"What scientist have to say about polar bear populations" and just assume that if a scientitst says it it must be true.
Reallylostdude,
I had no "point", nor did I consider the article/link to have a "point". I thought it was good general information for anyone interested in the polar bear issue. As I mentioned, I found it very interesting to read that polar bear populations were basically unknown and therefore population rise or fall would be speculation. Who has a "point" in a statement like that? Get real, dude. The only ones with "points" around here it seems are those pointey-headed dipschitts who are Koch brothers demagogues spewing ignorance and lies to save money for the bosses. Now I said that in kinda-sorta a pointey way.
After re-reading your posts I'm still of the conclusion that you never read the article of the link. Otherwise you would not be responding with such BS. Go ahead, take a peek at the article. There is no leftist commie demon waiting to take over your little brain. It's safe to read.
Actually it does fit climate change theory which predicts that global warming will cause wide swings in weather. One cannot look at just one area. Worldwide, temps are on the rise even as China has unusually cold temps.
DUDE!!! The earth has been around a LONG time. Climate change has been going on FOREVER! It is NOT man made and it is NOT going to lead to catastrophe!
Too hot?? Global warming. Too cold?? Global warming. Too much rain?? Global warming. Etc.
Must be convenient.
Thanks, there, dave. Ya didn't let me down! (ref post #3).
And you know this how veeco? Did you hear that from climate "experts" on Fox "News" ?
This coming from someone who thinks Polar Bears can Talk.
I just have one thing to say to all you "Global Warming" fanatics: Your own scientists have said that there has been NO measurable temperature increase in the last two decades! There is no "acceleration" of temperature increase, period! Just keep being the "Truth Deniers" and keep your head in a dark, warm, comfortable space.
Cute. Let me guess the planet is roughly 5000 years old and evolution is a myth too?
So, RTypo, someone gives you a credible argument and you resort to ridicule? Take your Alinsky Rules and shove off!
Tony, Rtypo is a typical liberal with a typical liberal argument strategy: First insult the other party. Next pull out some unprovable "facts". Then act like you know more than anyone else!
So that which I quoted and was responding to (accusing me of thinking polar bears can littearally speak) is a credible argument in your world?
DanM: the typical strategy you speak of came right out of Alinsky's Rules for Radicals. Check it out. Very informative, and gives away the entire strategy for devolving our society into a socialist cesspool.
You're shooting blanks RTypo, give it up.
Seems there is general agreement this is a cycle, cold, hot, hot, cold... If this is true it seems we should be spending more time worrying about the next cooling cycle. History shows these come on much faster than the warming cycles and limit the inhabitable area of the earth to two very narrow bands, 20 to 40th parallels, N & S, if I remember correctly. If that is indeed correct, how will we live on so little surface area, how will we produce the food to sustain ourselves? Seems like a good problem to work on regardless of the global warming debate (climate change), its going to get colder its only a question of when.
Last I read, evolution is just a theory. A theory that even Darwin himself denied. One of the facts that Darwin admitted could not come from evolution is the human eye. Specifically the rods and cones in the eye cannot evolve over millions of years. A species cannot survive in any way, shape or form without eyes. Charles Darwin said it first.
You seem to be able to survive w/o a brain. Try googling animals with no eyes. Let me guess your one of the people that believe in the fantasy that a God created everything.
Reading all of these posts, I can only laugh. Do you realize that most still believe literacy in humans is indicative of intelligence?? lmao
Climate change is real, just as my next dump will be "changed" from the last. That is not an argument for or against fecal warming. Everything changes. Yes, global warming would result in more energy in the system and bigger temperature swings, larger hurricanes, more awesome tornados, etc.. Now please show me empirical evidence of bigger temperature swings, etc.. Coldest winter in China in blah, blah, blah, years. Big deal. Less than 30 years ago, China had a colder winter. Some tens of years ago, they also had a hotter summer. Since this occurred previously, and previously the extremes were worse, couldn't one argue that things are stabilizing? lmao again. Did I really just say that?
RTYPO:
I'd ask Al Gordo about this cold weather in China, but too busy counting his CAPITOL GAINS PROFIT from thesale of his cable channel..I wonder if 'old' Al is going to share the wealth with us poor people? Not only did your "climate change guru" Gore sell your stupid ass out, but to American hating Al-jezgordo state media. Pushing to sell before Jan. 1 when the all the new O'Bama "fair share" taxes for 77% of Americans kicked in....
Actually it does fit climate change theory which predicts that global warming will cause wide variations in weather. What you are missing is that worldwide the temperature is on the rise even as an area like China is experiencing unusually cold temperatures. One has to look at the entire picture and not cherry pick isolated cases. Spokane, WA has had a warmer than usual year in 2012, but by itself that would not prove climate change theory, but perhaps for those attacking climate change, it would?
David, where did you "cherry pick" your numbers from? The average daily temperature in Spokane during 2012 was 47.
http://www.climate-zone.com/climate/united-states/washington/spokane/
The average daily temperature from 1953 to 1983 was 60.
http://gonw.about.com/library/climate/blspokane.htm
I always believed that 60 was more than 47.
Your post is not very believable like most from the Al Gore folks. Do you wonder why people don't believe you?
I know what can be done if the facts don't fit global warming. Call it something else, like "climate change" and then you'll still have an excuse to steal everybody's money no matter what the weather does.
You haven't you been drinking algore's bath water again Dave?
Damn, Bill. You gonna bring actual facts into this conversation?
The global trend around the world is temperature increase. The hottest decade on record was the 2000's. Before that it was the 90's. Before that it was the 80's. before that it was the 70's so on and so forth. These are global averages that point to a global trend. And real scientists that study these things are unanimous that humans contribute to this trend.
Darn it Bill, you know that liberals have an aversion to facts! It is much more comfortable to make up your facts after creating a template where you want everything to fall. Talk about "Inconvenient Truths"!
Hey, Typo! Do you realize that there was an upswing in solar activity from the 70's until a few years ago? Maybe the isolated minor increases were related to that big yellow orb that sits above us every day? No, it has to be your neighbor's SUV that caused a .1 degree increase in average global temperatures over the last 30 years! Why don't you just put sugar in his gas tank and save the planet?
So "@!$%# it" then and let's do nothing to curb human made carbon emissions because the scientists around the globe "could be wrong"?
RTypo: Or, let's spend trillions of dollars to modify a system that will likely evolve naturally, whether or not we are certain of the consequences.
What "trillions" are we spending exactly?
No Rtypo, don't just say %3^$# to being smart about our envirnment. Just don't expect us to pay everything to the government so that they can "take care of us" and sh7t on our rights! I have never heard a liberal politician say that they need to be more efficient with their spending only that they need more from the taxpayers! I also have seen our capitalist system find ways to provide substitutes when expenses, including excessive government regulations, of a product are too high. That is why they have found ways to produce RECORD amounts of natural gas and oil in the U.S. IN SPITE of the liberals trying to wipe out the entire industry! The government can only field a military and get in our way efficiently!
Have to input this little tid-bit while you're at it.....Look up Alaska this year and tell me that its all in one area... according to weather channel Alaska had the 6th coldest winter in 100 years and some of the most fridged temperatures to boot. It's not just China. Start reading up on all stations if you want to prove anything....
Thanks for admitting it is only a "theory" David. And that would be "trillions" we don't have thanks to Obama, RTypo.
...and before that it was the 1960's, and those temperatures were high. I mean really, really high.
There will be variations in weather that are quite natural. 2012 was the warmest year on record in the USA, and, when numbers are totaled, may be for the world as well. I don't think that climate change is properly understood by most people. Without Greenhouse gases (water vapor, carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide and ozone) to give us some heat retention, the world - as do most lifeless planets - would vary from extreme heat to extreme cold. The trick is to have just the right amount. At the prior period of mass extinction (Yes, we are having on such period now.) the temperature went up to 149 degrees farenheit. That is no place for a human to live, although the cockroaches may survive. As we increase Greenhouse gases, we are seeing a direct correlation to higher temperatures, higher sea levels, more intense storms, drought, (62% of the USA is currently in drought. It is the worst it's been since the dust bowl) and things that make life much more difficult. Global Warming will put much of the coastal world under water, and cause mass migration, and mass starvation. While some people blog because they like to deny climate change, many blogs because they are paid to do so. Your grandchildren need you to rethink what you do. China has had tremednous economic growth, and still emits much less per capita than the USA. Happily, the USA cut carbon emissions by 3% last year. (Our company ahs worked to achieve a 40% cut since 2004, with a concommitant increase in profitability.) China is moving strongly to green energy, despite its many coal plants. It's up to us to come together as human beings of many lands to reduce our Greenhouse gas emissions as quickly as possible. There is still time to avoid the worst, but it will take intense effort from all of us.
" China is moving strongly to green energy, despite its many coal plants." Seriously? You don't really believe yourself do you?
Nobody is "moving strongly" to green energy. China's emissions are increasing faster than anywhere else in the world (in total numbers, not rate).
BTW, I take it you are not in the most people, and properly understand climate change?
Do you really think it is possible for "us to come together as human beings of many lands to reduce our Greenhouse gas emissions as quickly as possible"? Just like we eliminated the nuclear threat? Last I read, there were still a few thousand of those suckers still around and functional.
Also BTW, I fall somewhat on the side that believes climate change is being affected by man. I believe more needs to be done. I believe not enough will be done. I believe as an earlier poster said that we must adapt.
As a side note, it is a bit humorous that Gore was such an activist while the president he served with believes we should adapt and find ways to make a profit from global the syndrome previously known as warming. Gotta love those Masons!
Wherever Al Gore is right now I bet he's screaming to the top of his lungs, PULEASE TELL ME IT AIN"T SO!!!!!!
No he's counting all that money Al Jazerra paid him for Current TV.
He's probably writing checks to the contractor who had to repair the pipes in his Tennesse home which froze a few years ago (This is a documented fact!). The reason they froze is that there is much less insulation in homes there because freezes are EXTREMELY rare! Damn that Global Cooling, er... Global Warming, err...... I know "Climate Change"!
On behalf of Mr. Gore .. Apology accepted.
apology to Al Gore...LOL...The man has made his fortune by peddling climate change and his hate for fossil fuels and his last but not least "we the rich should all pay our fair share" and he then sells to Al Jazeera which is funded entirely by OPEC(read oil) and he tries to get the deal done before the tax increase on Jan 1st, Sorry no apologies for the hypocrite Al Gorezera.
Al Gore has made it perfectly clear that his only concern with climate change is exactly how many more millions of dollars can he make off of it all while not reducing his own carbon footprint at all.
The man was wealthy before anyone ever thought about global warming. Anyone using Al Gore as a global warming issue talking point is only showing their politically motivated ignorance. People like the Kochs actually want an ignorant population. Easier to control idiots than it is to control intelligent people.
Al Gore talk is a bunch of crap, nothing more, nothing less. And those who think that he has anything to do with the reality of global warming are blooming idiots.
LOL...You mean the money from his fathers Tobacco interests or his zinc mining operations or how about his poultry business, Yes all environmentally friendly businesses or the money from his public service, It always amazes me how public servants making so little can amass millions, Yes I know his wifes family is rich and their millions also help, The point is when it made him money he did not care about the environment, Now that he figured out how to scam the public on green energy he is pro environment except of course when it comes to making $100 million from big oil, So Al Gore is a hypocrite.
He made his wealth before global warming while causing global warming and his latest sale of his TV channel is adding to his wealth with money that comes exclusively from products that he claims are causing global warming.
It is ok when Big Al does it but not for anyone else.
You guys are screaming about Al Gore making fortunes off a green energy scam, and I point out that the man was already very wealthy to begin with. What is it about ol' Al that gets your guys goat so much? Koch bros whispered something in your ear? Or was it Limbaugh?
Childish arguments. I had given you more credit in the past.
Send the Bloated Fool Al Gore-tex over there and have him give a few speeches. There's enough hot air in his Sorry _ss to heat China for a Millenium.
I just checked the data from and found that the average temp of the earth has gone up by .2 degree C in the last 2000 years...yawn....we are all going to die - someone please help!!!!!. Of course it has varied by as much as about 1 degree C during that time, up and down.....yawn!!!!!! hard to stay awake reading this stuff. Oh and BTW, the oceans have risen almost (please check the world standard which is NOAA) 8 inches since 1880.....yawn ZZZzzzZZZzzzZZZzzz....gads, we have no time left. This is the hard data and compare this to what the scientists, that is the self serving scientists who want research money, say on TV........
And yet - Be AFRAID, BE VERY AFRAID!!! (and maybe even "frayed.")
All this GW tripe was just algores way of trying to cash in on the 12/21/12 scare.
Don't you remember that the creator of the internet, Al Gore (he admitted it when he ran for president) also created Current TV for like minded individuals? So much for all you like minded thinkers, Al Gore sold Current TV to Al Jazeera for about $500 million. So much for all of you like thinkers. Your great and powerful OZ has abandoned you.
Speaking of OZ, think the new movie will be good?
Wes;
I thought the man behind the curtian was O'Bama? Is Harry Reid still the Scarecrow?
For the low information types study the predictions of fractal mathematics and weather, you will be less misinformed. For the rest of the shills denying global storming here's......a quarter.
Duh, I am misinformed! Please save me you liberal GOD! I need to have the "smartest people in the room" tell me what to do! Oh, I forgot! I have a brain! I don't need other people to tell me how to live, what to drive, what to eat, and what to believe! Sorry to burst your liberal balloon!
Some of us know a lot about weather, thebook. And what is fractal math and what has it got to do with weather.
Well Rex you're finally correct on one statement; some of us know a lot about weather, but you do not. Weather does not equal climate. Fractal mathematics is in employed as a tool in many scientific disciplines.
Clouds are not spheres, tornadoes are not cones, coasts are not straight lines, and microweather and macroweather systems are not rectangles, et cetera. For the future in posts like this, you should limit your posts to cat calls, hillbilly chatter, and the sort, and play it safe like the rest of the yahoos here.
Frank -
"Fractal mathmatics is in emplyed . . ."
Fir the future, in posts like this, you should limit your post to English as a primary language.
Frank -
"Fractal mathmatics is in employed . . ."
For the future, in posts like this, you should limit your posts to those which might pass an eighth grade English level.
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fractal mathmathics is in employed . . . ?
I very well know the difference between climate and weather frank, being it's my job. And I know what fractals are. What do they have to do with weather/climate/global warming/climate change?
Answer: Absolutely nothing.
Isn't it fun to be a human and get such contradictory evidence of Global Warming?
Nah, just fun period!
Cold weather also means global warming, right? I guess we need to tax the wealthy and distribute it to the masses in the form of government services to combat it.
Yep. That should fix it, alright. (Do you work for the UN?)
Again, just being a dick. Cold weather in one area isn't the globe. Educate yourself.
But when there is hot weather in another area the libs scream out that they are absolutely right! You can't have it both ways!
Most of us "Libs" draw upon something called "scientific data". People like you seem to pull "facts" from your nether region.
Is Al Gore handing out checks to scientific research teams like Bohner handed out big tobacco checks to law makers on the floor of congress?
The evidence linking cigarette smoking to lung cancer is irrefutable at this point but it didn't stop big tobacco from finding their own "experts" to counter the "lib" agenda to "destroy" their industry by requiring warning labels. Likewise conservatives have found their own "experts" to deny man contributed global climate change.
You deniers will go down on the wrong side of history yet again.
LOL...A lot of Al Gores money cam from his families tobacco business his zinc mining and his poultry farms, So please tell us exactly again what your point was...yeah...I thought so.
It takes a certain level of intelligene to catch some points. Sorry, some got it, some don't.
China is being hit by global warming, Oops I mean climate change, it must be now that we have a new term we can sing whatever climate song we want! The climate change bunch just uses any weather event to push their agenda and guys like former Sen. Al Gore profit from it along with those of his ilk. These phonies like Al Gore are destroying the Democratic Party.
get al on the blower and tell him shuck a few carbon credits while he sells out the U.S. to terrorist media so he can reap billions and fly his jet in your liberal hemispheres while polluting it!
Ouch! Talk about an "inconvenient truth!"
Actually, I admire old al - in the Pt Barnum sense. It is rather gauche,and cynical to the extreme, but you can't deny he has been successful!
If I did, would that make me a "denier"? lmao
For all you denial trolls. Global warming is a global issue. There are scientists in Russia, for example, who are freakiing out over the quickly melting methane hydrates in their tundra. It is happening in front of their eyes. Go ask them if they are on an "Al Gore" scam. They'll ask you, "Who the f__k is Al Gore?" Al Gore has zero to do with whether or not the planet is warming. Repeat that........zero. And all you guys beating up on Gore are only showing your extreme ignorance. Repeat that..........extreme ignorance.
Take your choice. The extreme cold is either 1) Bush's fault 2) Global warming.
You forgot to blame the Tea Party!
I vote Bush.
Hurry Obama, borrow more money while China is in a freeze maybe the interest rates will be frozen.
I hope they freeze their won-tons off. I am so sick of the Chinese, I dont like them in America either. They are very deceitful people, they will rip you off in a hearbeat, and they will lie for all the gain you are willing to give. They never speak or understand English unless it is for money in their pocket. In Texas and Louisiana, the Chinese were the biggest scammers and rip off artists, in California they are the most ruthless gangs.
We all can do with less of China for loans, for business, and for imports. If it's made in China, let it stay in China. I am watching labels on goods more and more and doing less and less for products made outside of the US.
I find it funny when part of the world has very cold weather,the Ditto Heads say Global warming is a hoax but when there's a heat wave or drought they are silent..But in the end, they don't understand the difference between weather and climate...
do you? so i assume global warming was around 28 years ago in china also. then it disappeared and came back now.damn it ...al must be flying his carbon polluting jet too much lately.
Ah, "ditto heads" - the ultimate debate winner! Close down the thread now.
Hilarious.
Yeah, but you can't hear their talking over the liberals crowing!
But the "ditto heads" do understand Bull Shxters like you. So "Professor CT BS" please let us know your credentials so we can believe what you are saying. You may find it funny, but you are not.
Have no fear the earth will remain forever, despite all you hear.
Forever is a few years longer than you think; the earth will inevitably fall into the sun. Then its existence will be over. Nothing last forever...
Wow the deniers are running with this. Sorry but as a whole 2012 has been the warmest in 30 decades.
Now that's the kind of science we can all get behind, because there have been global weathere records for comparison for 300 years.
Hilarious.
I think your facts may be a bit skewed. We are considerably cooler now than we were about 180 to 200 years ago. By my math that comes out less than 30 decades ago. Take a look at (http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/last_500_yrs.html).
Three words: "Hockey Stick Graph"!
And three words back atcha: Manmade Spumoni Supreme!
Hey Greg, the term deniers is a bit too fanciful for a gathering of stupid people across the country on this board. Stupid people tend to be lonely. They're all having a chance to meet other stupid people and validate each other in being stupid tonight.
Frank,
Yep, and they seem to be proud of being stupid. I propose that when the world ecologies collapse and there's nothing else to eat that we eat them first just to get them out of the gene pool. A few hot chili peppers would take care of that "dumbasss" taste.
No alsop, we refuse to believe in doomsday "theories" that threaten our destruction based on a lack of real scientific evidence. Can this cold in China really be shown to be a result of climate change? The answer is no.
Rex,
Did any scientist claim this cold to be a direct result of climate change? Answer is no. I am quite sure that when european cities were being devastated by outbreaks of disease that there were those who said that anyone telling them it was not OK to be schitting in their own back yards was just trying to scare them by threats of destruction without real scientific evidence. Same applies here.
Now, if you really think you are a reasonable person, wouldn't you pay attention to what the scientific community is saying about the issue? And then to check and see, if there happens to be two sides of the argument, which side is obviously being influenced by those with vested interests and which is not? That would be reasonable, yes? All this talk about the scientists being on a scam to grab funding or being part of an Al Gore conspiracy is utter BS to anyone who really exists in the academic world. I keep pointing out that there are scientists from all over the globe studying this. They do not exist in the little "political" world where such games exist, if they exist at all. Doubtful on that one. But these scientists from around the globe are first and foremost scientists, and they are all reporting the same changes. And most of them do state that man's activities have an influence. They are not saying that man is the root cause but only that we have an influence, and a strong influence at that.
You try to be reasonable with me, I try to be reasonable with you.
Really? It's January in Northeast China and you didn't expect cold?
Gene pool purification now in progress.
Global warming. Global warming. Yeah, I know. One season does not indicate anything as far as the climate is concerned. However, if you look at the long term climate record, you will see we are near the peak of a 100 - 120,000 year cycle and the temperature of the earth should be dropping soon, if not already, into another ice age with the average global temperature 5° to 10° C below the current average. It may well be that global warming is stalling the next ice age.
All I can say is that I'm in China right now and I'm freezing my butt off. I'm in southern China that should be similar to Orlando weather. I've got 2 small heaters running in my apartment around the clock. I've never had to do this before here. Last winter here was below norm as well.
As for you global warming freaks, quit crying and do something about it. Move closer to work so you don't have to drive, stop heating your homes, quit using consumer products so plastic doesn't have to be made, etc... Oh, you'll never do that because it's too inconvenient. I'm going to keep living my life the way I choose because I can. It's my choice. All you global warming freaks can change your evil ways. If it puts a dent in the warming cycle, then I'll reconsider.
Jimc - I agree - I find that most (not all) of those preaching about "global warming" still drive their cars and trucks, ride motorcyles, mow thier lawns with gas mowers (if they are not renters) etc. Some say "I ride the bus." Well, (a) you probably cannot afford a car; and, (b) the "bus" runs on diesel fuel. I remember the east Chicago Gary area in the 60's and early 70's, just a constant gray with pollution pouring out of the stacks, when cars had virtually no emission controls. Why did "global warming" not kill us then?
At some point in time, aren't we all dead? :-)
yep there goes that damn global warming again.