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Members of France's Kurdish community gather on Thursday while two men, seen left, carry the body of one of the three women slain in Paris.
PARIS - Three Kurdish women were shot dead in Paris in killings that appeared politically motivated, police and other sources said Thursday.
The bodies of the women were found at the Information Center of Kurdistan, a police source said. The center has close links to Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK).
The Firat news agency, which is close to the PKK, said another victim was the Paris representative of the Brussels-based Kurdistan National Congress political group.
"There is no doubt this was politically motivated," center employee Berivan Akyol told French broadcaster iTele.
The PKK has waged a 28-year insurgency against the Turkish state in which more than 40,000 people are estimated to have been killed.
The Turkish government has recently acknowledged holding talks with the organization's jailed leader, Abdullah Ocalan.
They have agreed a framework for a peace plan, according to Turkish media reports.
'Executed'
Firat reported that two of those killed were shot in the head and one in the stomach, and that the murder weapon was believed to have been fitted with a silencer.
"A couple of colleagues saw blood stains at the door. When they broke the door open and entered they saw the three women had been executed," French Kurdish Associations Federation Chairman Mehmet Ulker was quoted as saying by Firat.
Turkish broadcasters cited police as saying the women had links to the PKK.
The PKK is designated a terrorist group the United States, Turkey and European Union.
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A PKK women with no PPK's!
PKK is designated a terrorist group the United States,
enough said
"The PKK has waged a 28-year insurgency against the Turkish state in which more than 40,000 people are estimated to have been killed."
Kurds deserve a Kurdistan covering the areas of Turkey, Iraq, Syria and Iran.
When Muslims form more than 10 percent in a non-Muslim nation, they want their own "stan."
Why should not the same rule apply to Muslims of different sects and tribes?
Is it not Islamic religious madness that they do genocides of minority sect Muslims and tribes in Muslim majority nations?
Where are "love" and "peace" in Islam?
Where will the Turks, Iraqis, Syrians and Iranians go? And yes it is religious madness that people have been slaughtering other people for thousands of years. If it weren't for killing for God earth would have died a long time ago with over population.
We had that problem once with the American Indian and we gave them their little "Stan" but we called it a reservation.
Rafael - good point not sure everyone gets it. France has one of the most stringent gun laws in Europe and yet that didn't stop the brazen daylight killing with a gun of three people. I wonder if any of those three woman were armed if any or all of them would be dead today?
Take guns out of the hands of citizens and they will have no protection against criminals, tyrants, and terrorists. In most cases the police only show up AFTER the fact so the protection they afford is reactive not proactive.
What?
Turkish are also responsible for the Armeniangenocide. Those hypocrites criminals want to be member of the EU.
Just shaking my head, that is the most idiotic post I have ever seen. Did you even read the articleOr just the "three women shot" part.
Don't worry. We know it's not true. Socialist France has gun laws. No criminal would dare carry a gun when there are laws against it. duh.
You gun nuts are complete tools.
You know what? I want a tank, so i can possibly defend myself from you clowns.
Please don't put controls in place to stop me from getting my tank Mr. Governement!!! Pretty please?
TalkdeTalk: You are permitted to own a tank. There are quite a few people that own them. So google it, and buy it. Happy trails.
One day you are going to walk into a Starbucks and some POS is going to rob it. Just about the time this POS decides not to leave witnesses, someone like me is going to save your sorry ass. God you are a waste of good oxygen!
WHAT?????????? How can this happen, France has very strict gun laws!!!! Well, I guess old "bite me" can go on home now and leave our innocent guns ALONE!!!!!!!!!
All the gun nuts hear is "3 women shot." Circumstances don't matter. WE NEED MORE GUNS EVERYWHERE!!!
I'm willing to wager a bet that Greyghost, despite his gun bravado, would be the first to cower behind any object when a fire fight breaks out..............even if he possesed a weapon. The loudest talkers about courage are the biggest cowards............I've seen it personally
This is not about guns. It is political and yet another display of the dangers of multiculturalism in Europe.
a little more background is needed on this to make it a story....all i can say after reading this is, wtf are they talking about???. Where did this problem originate, what ties does it have to politics, and who the hell is PKK? where do they operate, why, for who, what, when, how....
you have some good info, but you forgot to give it a setting...a build up...I mean if your going to point your finger absolutely, then show us why...I don't know you so I dont trust your judgement/opinion, leaving this piece with nothing other than, guns killed three woman...if you wonder why people jumped to that, its because there was no other substance. You didnt talk about it from an investigation point of view...you were absolutely finger pointing like a judge...as if you saw it and made an arrest with DNA evidence...?? INFO???
Scott M. . .so right on! That this was likely a hitman sent to carry out the executions by a rival with a political agenda just flew right over the gun nuts' heads. Well, that, or they see and hear only what they want to see and hear. Don't try to reason with a gun nut. They're simply incapable of critical thought or even the ability to think outside their narrow paradigms.
You got that totally right. And people wonder why we have stricter immigration laws and decry the influx of undocumented immigrants. Multiculturalism doesn't work people!!
Sorry John but talk is being retorical - what he is saying is that once the government takes all of the guns out of the hands of all of its citizens then they can get on with the job of redistributing the wealth.
For some reason or other there is an element of the public that regards pollitions as an advanced species that inherantly knows what is best for the minions.
There is the problem of immigration without integration. If you enter a country to live there you should be required to conform to the established culture (that would mean learning the language as a start). If you arrive only to set up a little version of what you just left you should be put back on the boat and sent home. After all, why leave your orriginal place of residence if it is the lifestyle by which you wish to subscribe to?
What went over you anti-gun nuts' heads was that despite stringent gun control in France, 3 people were shot. There are fewer guns per person and there you go some criminal/nut was able to get a gun and murder people. People kill people, with guns, explosives, accelerants, arrows, poison, cars, bats, etc. Banning guns will only take guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens, while criminal/crazies won't care about the gun control laws.
When the Ottoman Empire was carved up at the end of WWI, the European powers did not make separate provision for the Kurds. The result was that traditional Kurdish majority areas in Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Syria became Kurdish minorities within these newly created states. Unforeseen was the possibility that these minorities would be oppressed by larger Islamic sects. There are no easy answers unless you want to believe that religious toleration is possible within any Middle Eastern country.
Winston Churchill, was and is the cause of the Mid-east nations; after ww1, he and he alone drew the maps for all the new nations(Woodrow Wilson was to ill to even know what was going on); Churchill said later in life , he should have given the Kurds their own nation.
How'd they get the gun libbies? Simple logic and knowledge of statistics would make a world with far less libs.
Kurds are not all alike. PPK are the communist lunatics trying to take over. These women were probably whacked in some sort of internal fight within PPK.
Max 108 is right.
Scott M, yes I did read the whole article and yes this is a political issue and yes these woman were probably shot by either Turkish intelligence or by some wacked out person that thought it okay to kill people he or she determined to be terrorists. However people like you miss the big picture. The FACT is in a country of VERY STRICT gun laws someone was able to kill three people with a gun.
The point is when a county makes gun ownership difficult it only hinders/harms law abiding individuals. Criminals of every type, whether they be terrorists, foreign insurgents, theives and/or people with mental issues, they will find ways to appropriate a weapon to complete their objective.
If you bother to research those states here in the U.S. that have the HIGHEST gun violence you will find that they are the states that have the most stringent gun laws. Those states that have more relaxed gun laws have much lower gun crimes. The reason is that criminals in those states know that they are more likely to run into someone that can counter their threat with a gun of their own. In states were the majority of people do not own guns the criminal feels more confident that he will be the only one carrying and therefore more likely to get away with the crime.
I understand the emotionalism surrounding the recent horrific attacks on innocent people and children with guns, but it is not the gun(s) that are the problem, but mental illnes. In ALL the recent cases they have been perpetrated by individuals with psychological issues. The real problem in this country in not gun ownership, regardless of the type of gun or magazine, but the lack of institutions to care for people with mental illness.
Since the 1980's this country has closed nearly all its mental institutions allowing people with moderate to sever mental problems to walk the streets unattended. The one thing that I will agree with the anti-gun crowd is that there should be more stringent background checks for those purchasing any weapon, and not just guns. However that will still not stop the gang-banger from procuring a gun, or knife, or any weapon, and committing crimes including murder. Again taking guns away from the general public will only leave guns in the hands of those that shouldn't have them.
What a horrid way to go, actually knowing and waiting for the death if it was execution. Humans sure are some cruel bastards at times. Karma will be coming to the killer.
You may be able to tell from my picture that I hunt and fish, but when I see these pro-gun people saying "look someone got killed with guns elsewhere, that's proof we don't need any regulations here" is when a pro-gun person becomes a gun nut. I would like to hear one legitimate reason you don't want changes as simple as background checks, prosecuting those who lie on background checks, limiting clip size, limiting assault rifle style weapons, and not allowing members of the Designated Terrorist List or the mentally ill to purchase weapons. If you hunt with a 30 ought, cool, whatever, that's fine, but if you take your AR15 hunting you're a moron. If you want to keep your guns, you're going to need to meet the other side in the middle, and become part of the process of implemeting responsible regulations that allow you to keep reasonable guns. If you aren't part of the debate and you just sit back firing off insults and refusing to even discuss the issue rationally, you'll end up losing all your guns.
"I'm willing to wager a bet that Greyghost, despite his gun bravado, would be the first to cower behind any object when a fire fight breaks out..............even if he possesed a weapon. The loudest talkers about courage are the biggest cowards............I've seen it personally"
How do you know that he's not a seasoned combat veteran. I carry everyday, have for 30 yrs now. I done two tours back to back in the rice paddies of Nam. Came out of it alive, although there were a few times I thought I was about to by the farm. I never killed any of my fellow soldiers either, out of all those fire fights raging around me. How do you feel about me carrying?
How about the Bushi terrorist who killed and caused the death of at least one million Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan (by leaving these countries without control after we took down their governments for oil, thus the reason they continue to attack us anyway they can by air, and other bombings?--AND the main reason why we have to wait for hours now every time we have to fly anywhere!--Thank you George, but we are still getting the oil from Afghanistan pipeline though coming down from the old Soviet states (the reason for that attack, to make sure it keeps flowing), but the oil is still slow from Iraq---0
This must be Paris, Texas because we know gun violence doesn't exist in the rest of the world :P How's that gun control working for ya in France ? Those darn criminals must not have turned in their guns....they are going to be in big trouble, but, on the bright side, they can continue with their gun crimes because the citizenry can't stop them.
@Riverboy, that's really going to stop criminals. You can implement laws upon laws, but that won't affect criminals in the least....that's why they are criminals. I don't oppose background checks, but that's where it ends. This isn't about hunting, it's about defense, and if the criminals have the big guns, you better be able to equal their firepower. Limiting law abiding citizens only helps the criminal element.
Hey Scott M and you other ignorant libs... Most people who own guns and oppose gun control are not "gun nuts" anymore than you libs are "gay marriage nuts" or "wealth distribution nuts" or any other kind of "nut." In fact, most of us hardly even see/mess with our guns more than once a year or so - if that, and then to clean them/it. By the way - those of us who brought up the idea of Gun Control in Paris... were being SARCASTIC. Yes... sarcasm. It is a wry, cynicism based form of wit that most people of lower intellect do not understand.
The damn story said the perp used a silencer....those are illegal in the U.S.
For all you Supermen out there that are going to save the world if someone comes out of the blue with a gun.....First off if you didn't @!$%# yourself with fear, you might...might get a shot in.....That's assuming that the perp didn't see you go after your gun.
If more people carried guns, how do you determine who is the one your suppose to be shooting at? Is it the one shooting? Hmmm.
Steve,
I am not sure, but I believe I would shoot at the person actually pointing the gun at me! Silly I know!!
You are assuming that you are able to identify that the person is the "bad guy".
What if that was another John Wayne with a gun? You shoot then ask did I get the bad guy? Or does he shoot you cause he thinks your part of what's going down.
Maybe we should require all bad guys to wear black hats.
The only way to be sure is if you walked into or was in a situation that you knew first hand who the criminal is. How would that law read?
Most people have a tendency to react and sometimes that reaction is not good.
two basic instincts kick in when a confrontation occurs.....Fight or Flight. Studies show that our instinct is flight over fight unless trained to do so or backed into a corner.
Dick:
"We had that problem once with the American Indian and we gave them their little "Stan" but we called it a reservation."
1. It was long time back.
2. At least some are accepting what happened centuries back. What occurred in ME affecting Kurds badly was in last century.
3. As I was a commie once, I support the underdogs and their struggles. I am fully with Shiites, Kurds and other Muslim minority sects/tribes helpless. Minority Muslim sect/tribe people should form alliances and take revenge on extremist Sunni Muslims.
"Politically motivated" or whatever, this heinous act was more about, three women being killed in broad daylight, in a public place!! The global reality really underscores the fact that, this world is operating under a modern-day, "Dark Age!!"
If Islamic extremists are in "Dark Age" why should we tolerate them?
Give them back with interest and they will slovely come to modern day.
In this killing of "three women", there must hands of Turkish Islamists led by that seventh century Erdogan.
When Muslims, especially Sunni Muslim extremists, do killings and terrorist bombings in non-Muslim nations, Islamic extremists forget about sovereignty, human rights, killing of children and women, killing of innocents and so on.
When we conduct drone attacks in Pakistan, just watch the songs, dances, chest beatings and screams with above big phrases.
Do they imagine that they are too smart that Islamists from Pakistan can kill NATO forces?
Are there special rules, laws in the world for Islamic extremists?
My thoughts and prayers go out to the friends and families of the three women shot and killed. I'm terribly sorry for your loss.
Today, we are often too worried about the political aspects of act like this and not worried enough about the human aspect (I'm guilty of it myself.)
You have been uttering nonsense. First of all Turks and Kurds are both primarily Muslims; yes there are sectarian differences in both sides. Division is not religious/sectarian here, it is the ethnicity flared up by outside forces to divide unity of Turkey. Turkey has been the most stable country in the region despite all neighbors being stuck in quagmire for centuries. I am sure you know what goes around the middle east. Let me share some facts to enlighten you. Turkey is inclusive of many ethnicity and diverse backgrounds as in the US, not at the same scale of course but you will get the drift. Word "Turk" attributes to people of Turkey, who are inhabitants of Turkey regardless of their background. Turkish constitution gave equal rights to all of citizens. These people of Turkey with its wide diversity integrated socially through marriages and businesses and lived as neighbors for decades if not centuries. For example, I am Turkish born and my family roots come from blacksea coast. My wife's roots come from Bulgaria as she is Turkish born as well. So, social fabric of the whole nation is very mixed and we cherish its diversity. BTW, we have whole lot of close minded people in the US domestically before we can prejudge other countries with zero to little knowledge we have. Personally, I am proud of my experience here in the US and becoming a naturalized citizen subsequently; it has been a heck of journey, I learned a lot. Before you profess, what have you learned/experienced on this subject so you can easily comment on? My guess is non. I am happy to know existence of great fellow citizens with whom I share the same ideals here in the US. These great Americans come from very diverse backgrounds but we agree on many things for a greater good. On the other hand, among us, we have the backward minded people who are gonna be only divisive to our society. What our polarized society tells you?!
Perhaps we should introduce the death penalty for Islamic extremists found guilty of sectarian violence in France and have them beheaded in public using one of those moth-balled guillotines.
An atrocity in Paris and neither the media or the French government is speculating on the identity of the perpetrators. The Kurds have been fighting for freedom against Turkish oppression for decades. Previous governments, but especially the present Islamic dictatorship that has taken control of Turkey, have been killing Kurds wholesale. And has everybody forgotten about the Armenian genocide and expulsion that Turkey has never apologized for? Why are the authorities and the media afraid to speak up?
Yeah, dougjmiller, but the Kurds quite willingly participated in the Armenian genocide.
Wow, here is a country where gun control is in place, did it work???? NOPE! People will kill no matter what laws are in place. Take Americas guns away and expect larger problems that we will regret.
Against non-Muslims, they all join hands.
For this reason, I am strongly against taking sides in their sectarian/tribal battles and deciding the winners as we did with Iraqi wars.
We and world would have been better is Saddam had wiped out the fountainheads of Islamic extremism Sunni Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE and some Sunni Arab League nations.
At least they would have killed each other better and more if we had not decided the winners.
It is worse in Lebanon.
Once Christian percentage was more than 55 percent. Lebanon was very secular and prosperous.
Then Muslims of all sects and tribes joined hands did massive genocides of Christains. Here Syria's current Assad's father played a major role.
Hezbollah, Shiites' terrorist wing, has been one of the biggest culprits.
Right now watch the biggest cowards of Hezbollah. Syria's Assad is being ambushed from Sunni Islamists including Turkey directly and US, British and other allies indirectly.
Have you heard of Hezbollah coming to the rescue of Assad?
Where are the brave slashing, chaining, stoning Hezbollahs?
dougjmiller
A DICATORSHIP THAT WAS freely and democratically elected three times in a row. how about that? what have you been smoking this morning?
Hessy:
In Egypt, Hosni Mubarak used to win with more than 90 percent and now Morsi and his Muslim Bloodhounds with more than 63 percent.
All the votings were "freely" and "democratically" done!
They are afraid to speak because why would anyone care about the 40 million Kurds, who have the same ethnicity, language, culture, customs and religious beliefs and all live on a contiguous land mass, yet don't qualify for their own country. Better to lobby for a country to the fake ethnic group called "Palestinians", who already have a country called Jordan.
Yes, in the States, it is "racially-motivated". In sophisticated Europe, it is "politically-motivated".
Many times in the USA it is racially motivated. It might be in Paris and Europe at times as well but it is closer to Turkey so anti-PKK and racially motivated mixtures might occur as well.
The 3 assassinated Kurdish women were Fidan Dougan- 32 yr old,worked at the Kurdish Cultural Center in Paris' 10th district at 147 Rue La Fayette (near Gore de Nord railway station), Sakine Cansiz- one of the founders of Kurdish Workers' Party (PKK)- living in France and a young activist Leyla Soylemez. Two were executed with a bullet to their neck- third in abdomen and forehead. (http://www.leparisien.fr/paris-75/paris-trois-femmes-kurdes-tuess-cette-nuit-d-une-balle-dans-la-tete-10-01-2013-2468979.php) Only yesterday- Turkey's PM Erdogan deporting/exiling PKK members (Turkish citizens with lesser rights)abroad- EU countries included- read all in Hurriyet Daily News- read also about IHH and its actions inside Syria and prisoner swap). These assasssination//execution murders of 3 female Kurds are to be condemned and those involved must be pursued. One can also read http://www.actukurde.fr/actualities/402/trois-militantes-kurdes-assassinees-a-paris.htm)
"The PPK is designated as a terorist group in America". That says it all. 3 dead terrorists, the world should be rejoicing. When you let these people into your country, this is what you can expect.
Good to know that the PPK is a terrorist organization, thanks for pointing that out Otter. To bad these ladies were from the PKK, not the PPK.
Wait a minute: we need to classify "good terrorist" and "bad terrorist".
If anyone kills Sunni Islamists, then they are good terrorists.
No Big Deal...
The Kurds want freedom and you call them terrorist. I'm thinking you must be a ...........
When Bush started the war to "free Iraq" you were so concerned for the Kurds. What happened? some guy in Turkey or Paris calls them a terror group and you flock to the same opinion as the french? I thought you guys didn't like the french. The Turks are the ones who started calling Kurds, terrorist. people of the .............. party just confuse the heck out of me.
Now try this, look at a map to see where the Kurds live. it's an area that includes the north of Iraq and south of Turkey. They want to be FREE. Turkey and Iraq wont let them be FREE. why? Maybe cause the location has OIL? And so the American freedom loving flag waivers call others who want to be FREE, "terrorists"
Oil has nothing to do with it. No country would allow their country to be carved up by minority groups in the name of freedom. In cases such as Syria, Libya and Egypt the majority were fighting against self appointed dictators. In Turkey it's a small minority trying to impose it's will on the majority and a freely elected government. We wouldn't allow any groups to carve out territory for self rule, why should Turkey? As for maps, those showing where Kurds live doesn't mean only Kurds live there. Why should millions of non Kurdish Turks be subjected to being forced into a Kurdish state?
Wrong. He didnt call them terrorists. The US and the EU call them terrorists. enough said.
Then why is, there an Egypt, Iran, Iraq and Syria? So much for Beirut declaring state hood!
If I had one wish... it would be hatred, greed and stupidity would cease to exist today... all around the world... topping the list of what should be respected... women... the bearers of life.
You owe me a new monitor and keyboard. I lost my coffee on that one.
and a change of clothing
so much for gun control
so much for gun control
If France had a ban on guns, this never would have happened.
They do have a ban anytime something happens the throw them on the ground
LOL Jerry
There is law against stealing , but people still steal. should we lift the ban .
if there is no ban on gun , than the murder number will be 100 times more.
The Kurds have been fighting terrorism for centuries long before America came along! They’re the only Muslim group the Americans can count on not stabbing them in the back when fighting next to them! Ironic that it was three woman killed, what other group is notorious for shooting women in the head, need a hint? By the way our own government labels gun toting bible thumping Americans as terrorist
Nuff said; back atcha
According to the media the only place where people are murdered with guns is the US. So, should we really believe that these women were shot in Paris....could it be that people murder people everywhere in the world and that guns are just a tool. Can't help but think about the woman on the news last year, that was stoned to death....if only stones were banned she would still be alive.
@gojo - You're a complete idiot.
I can't wait for you or someone you love is gunned down. Good luck defending yourself Billy The Kid.
Nice hate speech TalkdeTalk. I am betting you can't WalkdeWalk.
Since you can't prove that gojo is an idiot just based on your not agreeing with his position, can you prove that you aren't an idiot after wishing someone else or multiple others to be gunned down to support your anti-gun position? Talk about a hypocrite!
Try sticking to the story and not trying to prove your point with wishing others to be dead, you might do better.
Wishing others dead makes one a Progressive.
I'm a Progressive and I disapprove of everything TalkdeTalk said in his/her post. Oh, and stop assuming, skibum609, it makes you ignorant.
What? Guns are banned in gay Parie. Here's some advice from Russia's Pravda.
Americans never give up your guns
28.12.2012
By Stanislav Mishin
These days, there are few things to admire about the socialist, bankrupt and culturally degenerating USA, but at least so far, one thing remains: the right to bear arms and use deadly force to defend one's self and possessions.
This will probably come as a total shock to most of my Western readers, but at one point, Russia was one of the most heavily armed societies on earth. This was, of course, when we were free under the Tsar. Weapons, from swords and spears to pistols, rifles and shotguns were everywhere, common items. People carried them concealed, they carried them holstered. Fighting knives were a prominent part of many traditional attires and those little tubes criss crossing on the costumes of Cossacks and various Caucasian peoples? Well those are bullet holders for rifles.
Various armies, such as the Poles, during the Смута (Times of Troubles), or Napoleon, or the Germans even as the Tsarist state collapsed under the weight of WW1 and Wall Street monies, found that holding Russian lands was much much harder than taking them and taking was no easy walk in the park but a blood bath all its own. In holding, one faced an extremely well armed and aggressive population Hell bent on exterminating or driving out the aggressor.
This well armed population was what allowed the various White factions to rise up, no matter how disorganized politically and militarily they were in 1918 and wage a savage civil war against the Reds. It should be noted that many of these armies were armed peasants, villagers, farmers and merchants, protecting their own. If it had not been for Washington's clandestine support of and for the Reds, history would have gone quite differently.
Moscow fell, for example, not from a lack of weapons to defend it, but from the lying guile of the Reds. Ten thousand Reds took Moscow and were opposed only by some few hundreds of officer cadets and their instructors. Even then the battle was fierce and losses high. However, in the city alone, at that time, lived over 30,000 military officers (both active and retired), all with their own issued weapons and ammunition, plus tens of thousands of other citizens who were armed. The Soviets promised to leave them all alone if they did not intervene. They did not and for that were asked afterwards to come register themselves and their weapons: where they were promptly shot.
Of course being savages, murderers and liars does not mean being stupid and the Reds learned from their Civil War experience. One of the first things they did was to disarm the population. From that point, mass repression, mass arrests, mass deportations, mass murder, mass starvation were all a safe game for the powers that were. The worst they had to fear was a pitchfork in the guts or a knife in the back or the occasional hunting rifle. Not much for soldiers.
To this day, with the Soviet Union now dead 21 years, with a whole generation born and raised to adulthood without the SU, we are still denied our basic and traditional rights to self defense. Why? We are told that everyone would just start shooting each other and crime would be everywhere....but criminals are still armed and still murdering and too often, especially in the far regions, those criminals wear the uniforms of the police. The fact that everyone would start shooting is also laughable when statistics are examined.
While President Putin pushes through reforms, the local authorities, especially in our vast hinterland, do not feel they need to act like they work for the people. They do as they please, a tyrannical class who knows they have absolutely nothing to fear from a relatively unarmed population. This in turn breeds not respect but absolute contempt and often enough, criminal abuse.
For those of us fighting for our traditional rights, the US 2nd Amendment is a rare light in an ever darkening room. Governments will use the excuse of trying to protect the people from maniacs and crime, but are in reality, it is the bureaucrats protecting their power and position. In all cases where guns are banned, gun crime continues and often increases. As for maniacs, be it nuts with cars (NYC, Chapel Hill NC), swords (Japan), knives (China) or home made bombs (everywhere), insane people strike. They throw acid (Pakistan, UK), they throw fire bombs (France), they attack. What is worse, is, that the best way to stop a maniac is not psychology or jail or "talking to them", it is a bullet in the head, that is why they are a maniac, because they are incapable of living in reality or stopping themselves.
The excuse that people will start shooting each other is also plain and silly. So it is our politicians saying that our society is full of incapable adolescents who can never be trusted? Then, please explain how we can trust them or the police, who themselves grew up and came from the same culture?
No it is about power and a total power over the people. There is a lot of desire to bad mouth the Tsar, particularly by the Communists, who claim he was a tyrant, and yet under him we were armed and under the progressives disarmed. Do not be fooled by a belief that progressives, leftists hate guns. Oh, no, they do not. What they hate is guns in the hands of those who are not marching in lock step of their ideology. They hate guns in the hands of those who think for themselves and do not obey without question. They hate guns in those whom they have slated for a barrel to the back of the ear.
So, do not fall for the false promises and do not extinguish the light that is left to allow humanity a measure of self respect.
Stanislav Mishin
Thank you very much for your input, the American people need to hear and know how progressive minds work.
Unfortunately here, too many are duped by their lies.
Progressives are comprised of two groups: those who will not support themselves and buy into a political philosophy that revers those who don't contribute and hates those that do and those who get Government jobs giving money away to Progressives i.e Obama's campaign strategy.
Many in this country will not believe the truth that you have pointed out. Thank you Stanislav.
We have unleashed something in the Middle East that will cause strife there for hundreds of years by invading Iraq. We. Pretty much gave the signal to the Kurds in Iraq, turkey and Iran to go on a war path to split off from these countries thus causing a major war in the near future. I think this was our intent in the first place. Fighting Taliban , terrorism and Sadam was just a ruse. This will allow our oil companies to steal cheap oil from this region and our Hebrew buddies to collect blood money on that oil. We are the largest terrorist organization the world has ever seen. We got our selves into endless conflicts for the benefit of very few.
Then dumbama wants us to giveup our guns.Nice death we will have.
Yes Drago, it is ALL the USA's fault that the ME has been at war with each other for thousands of years. Grow up, take your tin hat off (or possibly turbine in your traitor/terrorist case) and get a flipping clue! If the USA is so bad, don't let the door hit you in the a$$ on the way out.
I feel bad for them that they made bad choices in life but more people of a terrorist organization dead....good!
Drago, do you really think the U.S. is a terrorist organization? Well then very simple, why don't you give up your citizenship and move to the Middle East where I'm sure you will be much safer but not from us.
I feel sorry for these women and the way they were executed. What can you say, there is evil everywhere and not just in the U.S. May they rest in peace.
By all written historical counts the Middle east has been at war since histroy was first recorded so your comment is imbecilic at best. The Hebrew buddies comment gave you away as Jew hating filth, sidfing with Al Queda, the perfect example of what true Islam is all about.
I guess France has no gun control laws...OH! those may have been criminals.
It sounds like Jason Bourne is back......
Well said Stan, we hear you, the liberal want to take guns away so they can rule and exterminate who they wish.
Tea Party people would be shot first.
More love from the party of "tolerance".
Average French citizens can't have guns, thankfully the criminals & terrorists are allowed to have them so they can kill each other.
The 3rd World hordes invading Europe bring their 3rd World mentality and tribal conflict along with them! Time to deport them back to whatever cr@ppy place they come from!!
France has always catered to the ME. They simply are reaping what they have sewn.
France? Invading hordes? And they haven't surrendered yet?
conflict?? Wow. 2 women were killed today and it was enough for you to spew your hatred. What about the close to 20000 homocide in the US. massacres in schools and workplaces..etc look in the mirror first.
muslims killing muslims....wonderful.....please step up the pace! Once the civilized world realizes that islam is a virus (muhammed being patient zero) and not a religion, the better humanity will be able to deal with it. What other purely evil thing spreads without boundary, kills without remorse or intelligent agenda, targets women and children, possesses zero compassion, produces nothing but itself and leaves death, destruction and despair in its wake? Science has never cured a virus. All the non-infected can do is isolate the virus and pretty soon the virus will kill all of its hosts. No hosts.......no virus. Just observe what is happening in the infected countries now. muslims killing muslims.....wonderful! praise allah.
Jonathan-1982062
You are so gullible. ITS the other way around. the vast majority of the Kurdish people are Sunni MUSLIMS . The kurdish would like to break out of their respective countries and create a kurdish nation. They are TERRORISTS. Your hatred agianst islam and Muslims is unparalleled. are you going to change you mind about the assassinated women now that you have been educated?
you have violated the code of honor. name calling is not permitted on this message board.
Ron: who is "we"?
ron belin-3258914, you are suspended for a week for violating rule # 5 of the Code of Honor.
Don't make racist remarks, please.
I thought this only happens ing the US! Where is their gun control! Maybe we should destoy all guns and let the police take over, after all they are above reproach!
But don't socialists countries like France have strict gun rules and gun free zones? This could not possible have happened unless a firearm hitched a ride on a plane from the U.S. and attacked these poor people without ever touching human hands.
It must be all the fault of the NRA.
Nice use of open sarcasm Walt. Though some will think you are being serious and soon will be calling to NBC to publish a story of how it was NRA's fault. I am sure they will claim that they saw Bush Sr. pull the trigger while Jr. drove the getaway car.
Hi Tracy and GM
You know you are right that NBC always listens "when opportunity knocks". Who cares if there are no facts that could back them up.
Hey Jack, its been a few.
Facts are that pesky little thing that has to be dealt with quietly, at a later date. Nothing of consequence to get in the way of sensationalizing a story however!
Three women? At least they were expendable.
Nice direction we are heading! Killings will not end for the next couple of centuries......but,
30-50 years ago guns were rare and killing by guns were rare, now if someone is angry, drunk, high on drugs or has an agenda they can and will shoot to kill, no big deal at the moment.....gun control, forget about it?????
its a band aid............. if someone is about to kill me with anything but a gun, I stand a chance..... if he is to use a gun, I am dead in a second.........
Did you even read the article? It happened in France. You know, the socialist country with nearly the strictist gun control in the world. The country that has been know to stab their friends in the back on whim, you know, that France.
Why do some people insist on ALWAYS making USA out to be bad guy. If you don't wanna be here, I got enough money for a one way ticket for you to move to the ME.
"if he is to use a gun, I am dead in a second........."
We can't help it if you're too much of a p___y to protect your own self.
BTW Artur, I can name several ways of killing you that you don't stand a chance.
We can start with someone walking up behind you with a knife, inserting it at the base of the skull with an upward motion and severing your spinal column and then go on from there.
Point being, there is a million ways to die and most of them you can do nothing about!
@ artur
30-50 years ago guns where rare? i sort of have to call you on this one. 30-50 years ago guns where not rare. there was just as many guns per capita 30-50 years ago then there are now.
what we did have 30-50 years ago was more death sentences handed out and carried through with then we have now. what we did have 30-50 years ago was more mental people locked up and not allowed on the streets.
Actually Eric, gotta agree with you on that one. Good catch
I remember when I was in school, we carried guns in a gun rack in our truck every day during hunting season. We went hunting before school, and again after practice (football, basketball, etc depending on season). We never thought once about pulling an already loaded gun out of our vehicles during an argument. Makes you start to think that the guns aren't the problem.