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Protesters converged on Paris from all over France to protest same-sex marriage, which is supported by President Francois Hollande.
PARIS - Several hundred thousand people converged at the Eiffel Tower in Paris Sunday to protest President Francois Hollande's bill to legalize same-sex marriage by June.
Protesters waved pink and blue flags showing a father, mother and two children. Many had taken long train and bus rides from outside Paris.
Hollande has pledged to push through a same-sex marriage law with his Socialist party’s parliamentary majority, but his opponents have dented public support and forced deputies to put off a plan to allow lesbian couples access to artificial insemination.
Same-sex marriage is recognized in 11 countries including Belgium, Portugal, the Netherlands, Spain, Sweden, Norway and South Africa. In the U.S., it is legal in nine states and in Washington, D.C.
Champ de Mars, the long park between the Eiffel Tower and the Ecole Militaire, was packed Sunday, with organizers claiming 800,000 protesters, but police more conservatively estimating 340,000 – a large turnout even in France, where protests are a way of life.
"Nobody expected this two or three months ago," said Frigide Barjot, a flamboyant comedian leading the demonstration. At the rally, she read aloud a letter to Hollande asking him to withdraw the bill and hold a public debate on the issue.
Strongly supported by the Catholic Church, opponents of same-sex marriage have mobilized practicing Catholics, members of the extreme far-right Front National party, some Muslims, evangelicals and even a few openly gay people.
They argue that same-sex marriage would cause psychological and social harm to children, which they believe should trump the desire for equal rights for gay adults.
Organizers insist they do not oppose gays and lesbians but rather support what they say are the rights of children to have a father and a mother. Slogans on the posters and banners read, "Marriagophile, not homophobe," "All born of a father and mother" and "Paternity, maternity, equality."
"The French are tolerant, but they are deeply attached to the family and the defense of children," said Daniel Liechti, vice-president of the National Council of French Evangelicals, which urged its members to join the march.
Their efforts appear to have had an impact. Surveys indicate that popular support for gay marriage in France has slipped about 10 points to less than 55 percent since opponents started speaking out. Fewer than half of those polled recently favored giving gay couples adoption rights.
Under this pressure, French legislators dropped a plan that would allow lesbian couples access to artificial insemination.
Hollande's office, recognizing the “substantial” turnout Sunday, said it will not be swayed and that it will continue to push for a law recognizing same-sex marriage.
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"Organized pedophile ring opposes gay marriage." The Catholic Church is simply in no position to tell anyone else what to do when it comes to protecting children.
The Catholics are EXACTLY THE WRONG PEOPLE to ask about how or who to raise children. They are the most destructive force to society in HISTORY.
The religious minority will find itself relegated to the fringe more and more, as they continue their campaigns of hate. The world is moving forward. People are tired of the intolerance and hate coming from bigots. For too long have they used government positions to abuse the rights of minorities they dont like. That is over. Never again will a bible thumper hold the big office. That you can count on. So any dream of returning to the old ways, is a fantasy. Its not going to happen. It will be the same in France. Their right wing just got handed its ass too. Thats going to be happening more and more across the globe. The world is growing up, and crazy as it sounds, its the youth who are doing it.
I guess people are full of @!$%# in any language. How about France bans it's lax attitude about adultery and casual sex? Why do we know a three way as a Menage a Trois and not a De Tres Vias? HUH? Oh, the children!!! The poor children! Bull!
Marriage to children is next. Once you normalize gay marriage the limits are lifted....although the limits are already removed for muslims..
Perhaps in their own country, but not here.
Nice argument, but the bigots who opposed inter-racial marriage put up the same bullsh*t excuses.
Any other stupid f*cking comments?
There's nothing deviant about interracial marriage..
"There's nothing deviant about interracial marriage.."
We acknowledge this now, but it wasn't so long ago that people who spoke exactly like opponents of gay marriage were loudly declaring that it was deviant.
This is the incremental deterioration of society caused by liberalism. Gay marriage is now the norm. What if 10 million people said it was ok to marry a 10 year old, would it be ok? This is the reason liberals want to get rid of the bible and religion, then morality can be whatever you want it to be and marrying kids or animals or whatever will be ok as long as you think it is. Liberalism is a disease..
You think "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" requires a religion?
The only thing it requires is common sense and ability for empathy.
People who require the threat of punishment from a deity watching their shoulder in order to act ethically are pretty sad examples of what it means to be human.
"This is the reason liberals want to get rid of the bible and religion..."
I find it beyond hilarious that so many people think the bible defines marriage solely as a relationship between one man and one woman when so many of the marriages depicted therein are between one man and many women.
You obviously have no clue about what "legal consent" means. Furthermore, the US is not a country of majority rule.
We don't want to "get rid of the bible and religion" -- we want it to stay out of our government, and we want you bigots to stop using it to justify your bigotry. BTW, morality is subjective, which is why it is not legislated -- but that "legal consent" thingy applies to kids and animals.
Conservatism a/k/a ignorance is a debilitating disease.
Then shouldn't the government get out of religion too? Shouldn't Hobby Lobby be exempt from the contraception mandate?
"Then shouldn't the government get out of religion too?" This post makes no sense. The government doesn't in any way control the rituals and prayers that take place in a church. The government is not telling churches to marry people. Anyone can privately pray anywhere they like, in school, in public and yes even in court. The conflict is when the religious push their rituals, prayers and views outside of the church that it becomes offensive to those not sharing your religion. And please don't bring up paying for birth control. The churchs/church groups/christian owned businesses pay health insurance premiums and the insurance pays for birth control and any other procedure that is required. That is a private choice between a woman and her doctor.
Nice slippery slope fallacy there!
There's nothing deviant about gay marriage either.
Are you familiar with the concept of legal consent?
Morality is subjective and cannot be legislated, nor is it dependent on the bible or religon.
The government isn't "in" religion. There is a separation of church and state! Too bad religion doesn't always respect that.
Well I am glad to see their country has their heads screwed on straight. I was actually "surprised" to see their reaction, but glad. I love my country, America, but we seemed to have become milktoast....a forgnier had made a comment about us...American....saying what a shame it was to see the "church"....the one where all our Presidents have been sworn in allowing gay marriages....a church. Other countries watch us...they watch the decisions we make and they watch what we stand for....this person said it was a sad day and that they would be praying for us....for America. it is a sad day...but I am also GLAD to see France's reaction.
Agreed Dianec57. Two people of the same sex cannot procreate. Even animals know that. So why do humans think that such relationships are okay???
What does procreation have to do with marriage?
Presumably ladybug believes that a post-menopausal woman should not legally be allowed to marry.
Gays want to adopt children
What does that have to do with anything, ladybug? Gays can adopt in all 50 states now.
Presidents are "sworn in" on the steps of the Capitol, not in National Cathedral. Sober up a bit, before posting sincere comments.
oh ladybug-46 and dianec57 are just very thrilled to know that there are people in other countries who finally support their hatred and bigotry.. the best part is - until the article came out they both probably hated France and had "freedom fries" lol
don't you just love bigotry and hatred ?? it has loyalty to no one - not even those who practice it :)
These protesters should be protesting the molestation of kids by their catholic priest instead. Or is that OK in their eyes? Religion really should be banned everywhere, it is so wrong, and sick. Humans, the gullible ones, and easily brain washed.
Maybe only American priests have a hankering for testicles that JUST dropped.
I know many good Catholics,just because a few have given in to evil does not make the whole barrel rotten. I would hate to be judged based on what someone else did--does the fact that a few have no morals equate to all have no morlas? I think not! Don't be so judgemental about a group you have no understanding of.
"just because a few have given in to evil does not make the whole barrel rotten." Yes it does, because any religious cult is all about unity. In this case, molestation of kids is, and always will be, acceptable.
And to which religous cult have you belonged that you know how they operate???
The problem isn't that some priests raped kids, but that the Catholic hierarchy conspired to cover it up, moved the priests to unsuspecting communities where they raped countless more kids, and never once called the cops.
Ratzinger himself was deeply involved in covering up pedophilia in Bavaria and California.
See, it's just not Americans who think Gay Marriage is wrong.
No, there's the Taliban to keep you company.
Who wrote this crap? The Bible should be banned!
Here are several really loving excerpts from the Torah; the first five books of the Old Testament in the bible -- perhaps read to the congregation on Friday night at a synagogue or a Sunday morning church in the meadow.
Rabbinical / Priestly rules:
Leviticus 21:17-18 … “No one who is blind or lame or has a defect or any blemish may approach to offer the bread of his God.”
Leviticus 18:22 … “You are not to go to bed with a man as with a woman; it is an abomination ….”
Rabbis; the pope and churches fully aware that Leviticus 18:22 applies to rabbis and priests … refuse to remove this stigma maliciously persecuting gays. Kids are being bullied into suicide …!
Being black, left-handed or being gay is just as natural. It is a sometimes rare occurrence to fall in Love and to hold that person in your heart and be loved in return ... it is something that should be celebrated! If it’s between two guys or two girls -- all the better. It takes even more courage to defend that LOVE!
www.HolyFaux.com
I am the son of a catholic father who never went to church and a protestant mother who took us to church and Sunday school. Onward christian soldiers; I think not. Such absolute drivel. To be manipulated by a santa claus; an easter bunny and worst of all a bogus cross?
It’s now time to shut down the synagogues and churches with the torah & bibles with Leviticus 18:22 and Deuteronomy 13:12-16. To see the religious lunatics manipulate government and peoples’ lives -- is shameful.
Many theologians state quite correctly that the birth; crucifixion; resurrection and other elements of christianity actually didn’t even happen! Churches are committing hate crimes and more succinctly a violent criminal offence against a federally protected minority namely the gay community. It is actually a bigger moment in history … gays standing up for equality ... the realization that there is something far more evil at work -- hateful religion which should be discharged from society – period.
Religion and the churches should now be exposed as a bigoted structure that gets away with hate mongering. It is a criminal offence to cause harm onto others physically or with written items; torahs – old testament/new testament bibles have been getting away with corruption and cultism based on bogus hocus pocus.
There is no scientific evidence to prove any of the cross related bogus elements of christianity and other religions. Our early human ancestors; on this earth … go back more than 6 million years … 5,996,000 years before the Greeks, Romans and the Jews. Christianity is basically a 2013 year old fictional cult. In the year 300 AD when Emperor Constantine, who to some was the first pope; went on to fabricate & market Christianity! Christianity is a fantasy; which turned out to be one of the most hateful & evil concoctions ever perpetrated on the world.
It is written; so therefore it shall be? We are the chosen people; such a wicked fantasy.
Einstein stated in a letter recently auctioned that the bible was a collection of primitive legends. He said believing in God was childish and he as a Jew is no different than another person and are not chosen by God.
The pope is running a bigger fraud than Madoff’s $50 billion ripoff. The pope should be committed to an asylum -- for the religiously insane!
Today’s evangelical extremists are like the nazis who cast others into ovens & are actually supremacists - who practice their bogus hocus pocus - and are trying to suppress and deprive others of their happiness and their legal rights in an open and proud society.
Sorry your life sucks.Sorry you've lost faith.Sorry you are a bitter bereft person.You do realize that you are a result of this horrid culture?Your values,youe ethos,world view all came from I guess the good parts.If you're that despondant..............
Ahh yes! My old friend pained1. Dude...you seem to be attracted to carpet bombing blogs having gay subject matter with your judgemental diatribe and worthless nonsense like a addict is attracted to crack.
Grant puts up a pretty solid argument and all you can do is just foam at the mouth with nothing of value to say (like usual).
Ya know, there's an old saying that the "squeaky wheel needs to get greased." Meaning that those who yap the loudest in opposition are usually the deepest in the closet.
Got anything you would like to get off your chest? LMAO.
F*cking idiot.
Taking quotes out of context to support your agenda is a perverted look at the Bible. Shame on you!
How about you tell us which parts of the bible you think forbid legalizing secular gay marriages in modern America, ladybug? It should be pretty hilarious.
You spew crap.FY cannoli.YOU approve of his comment,meaning YOU agree.I do NOT,I'm Not wrong.You're wrong for saying I'm wrong.I disagree.And what was so bad?
Cannoli didn't even comment here. Take your meds, pained.
Well, Lev, since you know it all and have such a closed mind, you wouldn't understand.
Try me. I actually think that a case against same-sex marriage can be made on the basis of the Scriptures, although not necessarily a case that I'd agree with. I just want to see if you are capable of making that case.
One thing that amazes me about these conversations is how self-proclaimed "bible believing Christians" will argue that marriage has always meant a relationship between one man and one woman. If they actually had read the bible or understood it they would know that it describes many, many marriages that didn't come close to fitting this paradigm.
Christianity has had such a valuable impact on humanity's intellectual development that it's a pity to see it monopolized by such stupid people.
But prove to me that you're not an idiot. I'm more than willing to discuss bible-based and religious arguments. The question is: are you capable of making one?
If you think context is needed for those odious quotes of bible-babble, please enlighten us.
Surprised msn ran this.They're not so much a fan of tradition.
There are no moral lines or judgement anymore....and for people like us who stand up for it...we are considered the odd ones or odd balls.....
Sure, because you consider bigotry and homophobia to be "moral".
You are living proof that morality is subjective.
To claim that same sex marriage would harm children, one would first have to step back and ask it if would harm children MORE than heterosexual marriage already has throughout the centuries. This is something impossible to prove. Most of society's degenerates are products of heterosexual relationships. Surely, same sex couples, who have to deliberately jump through more hurdles to raise children, are already a step ahead due to their premeditated family planning, and not all the accidental pregnancies, and the out of wedlock pregnancies. Bigotry disguised under false assertions of better parenting is still bigotry.
literally creating something that can't exist without a complete suspension of disbelief.@ men or 2 women no
Hey let's experiment! We have two 2 year olds ready for the research lab, Herr Mengele.....
We're going to test hypothesis:
"Mothers are Superfluous"
--Subjects will be placed in households containing two men and no mother figure. While all of us are glad we had a mother growing up, it is necessary, in order for gay people to feel better about themselves, that we conduct life-long experiments on small children.
Cruel Leftwingers are attempting Dr. Mengele-style experiments on children to test if never having a mom (and two dads instead) is a problem or not, just to further the Gay Agenda--good for France for sticking up for the nuclear family.
Naturally, some children will grow up without a dad, or in rarer cases, without a mom, although most of the time, that parent is someone they can contact or visit.
We shouldn't be artifically adding on to this group by deliberately putting children in homes with no mom and two dads. There's some very cruel, cold-hearted liberals who are glad they had a mom personally, but want to put little adopted kids into mother-less households of two gay men, just to help queers advance their sex life masquerading as a civil rights movement.
Ok, you're a disgusting pervert, good for you...we're not changing family structures to accomodate you or pretending that suddenly moms aren't important to raising children??????
Yah two dads, it's great, no mom, ever, not even one you can visit or something, oh it's wonderful------BS.
chesty...you're attracted to carpet bombing blogs having gay subject matter with nonsense diatribe like an addict has a need for crystal meth.
There's an old say..."the squeaky wheel needs to get greased"...meaning those who yap the loudest in opposition to homosexuality are usually the deepest in the closet.
Afraid someone might find out who you truly are? LOL!
F*cking moron.
Sorry your dad got a sex change or mom didn't love you.Something got your panties in a wad
Gay marriage will destroy the world. There will need to be so many test tube children to meet the demand of the hypocrites who want their cake, or whatever, and eat it too. Human life will be a joke and so many 1/2 brothers possibly marrying 1st cousins or uncles once removed, the list goes on and on. Unwed mothers cause enough problems this way. This is the reason that civilized people were married before having children. People actually had heritages, not just some big mess that is considered normal. If they marry, they should have to sign something saying they know they will not have children. They will demand to adopt and lower the chances of normal couples that actually can't concieve to receive a child, cause it's gotta be fair and homosexuality is not some perversion that will harm their children in any way. Just give it time kids. I think I will become homophobic after all, I see the writing on the wall.
You have a right to your opinion Carol-301690. Tell me, how EXACTLY will gay marriage destroy the world? We have been around just as long as straight people........
"This is the reason that civilized people were married before having children."
And when they divorced? What "heritage" did the children have with one or more step-dads, step-moms following the next "marriage" and the next "marriage?"
"I think I will become homophobic after all"
You don't need to "become," you are, already.
Decide to grow up. That's the only decision you are facing.
I am a firm supporter of good old-fashioned biblical marriage. You know, the kind with three or four or a hundred wives who include children and slaves.
Religion needs to keep its doctrines in church not in governments. Religons are not God and are just as vulnerable to dishonest corrupt behavior as governments are. In the end it is these same people protesting gay marriage who are responsible for the harm they cause gays due to their obsessive need to dominate and control those who are not harming them.
As far as raising children I don't know how the modeling component of raising a child is compromised by the same sex of both parents. I'd like to hear what specialists say about that.
Common sense: Straight couples have gay kids. Does that mean heterosexual couples "compromise" bringing up kids? Would that justify banning marriage for straight couples?
Numerous studies have already shown that children raised by homosexual couples are no different than those raised by heterosexual couples, except for a slight increase in general tolerance.
The only study that shows otherwise is one that is widely panned by the scientific community for being hugely misleading and dishonestly performed, as it asked members of couples if they'd ever had a "gay experience" instead of focusing on stable same-sex couples, while it used stable heterosexual couples for the positive side. Many of the "gay experience" couples were divorcing or in broken homes due to past infidelities, yet at no point where they ever asked if they were actually homosexual.
A man cannot marry a man. Marriage is only possible between opposite sex couples. Changing laws, word meanings does not change essence. Redefining a rock and referring to it as a bird does not give the rock the power of flight. A homosexual couple can act like they are married, get a license etc. but in the end the "marriage" is a fraud.
Well..in case you've been in a coma for the past 20 years, times are changing. There are some of us that can accept the fact that society advances and there are those of us who cannot accept it...like you...and the Taliban.
Low blow! Just because changes have occurred doesn;t make them better or correct--it just means you are willing to go along and not take a stand against something that is not done any where else in nature--only humans choose same sex partners--open your eyes and look at the world as a whole not just one small group.
WRONG. Homosexuality has been documented in approximately 1,500 animal species (besides humans), but homophobia has only been found in ONE species.
Interesting Erin. As a child I learned to read out of passion for the animal world. My dear grandmother, God bless her soul, having caught on my interests had purchased an encyclopedia of the animals of the world. 26 volumes plus 2 on animal communication. So I red on. There was a chapter on Humans of course, as we are animals of this world and I recall precisely reading that homosexual behaviors were observed in three percent of humans, as it was for most other mammals. That was a long time ago now and I don't know where the stats are at, but it's not a new concept. Well at least not for all of us.
Rocks and birds do not get married and their behavior is nothing like being married.
P.S. Some birds do not fly. Some rocks post comments.
Actually the numbers are closer to 10-15%, and they are similar to those in the 1500+ species with observed homosexual tendencies.
Oh yes! Because heterosexual marriages have done a bang up job of being a shining example of raising their children, why just yesterday I read about a man and woman who beat their child to death after making him live in a cage for two years. I wish people would lay off blaming all religious people for holding back gay rights, I am religious and I for one think they have every right to marry and raise children and I know I'm not alone in this. I blame people of all ethnicity's and beliefs that have closed minds. If a child is raised in a healthy and loving environment then I don't care if the parents are same sex or hetero's. What REALLY needs to change are the judgmental fools who think they have a right to dictate who others should love.
Several hundred thousand people converged at the Eiffel Tower in Paris Sunday. WOW AMAZING!!!!
The reality is most homosexuals don't support Gay marriage so why in the hell would anyone with common sense support gay marriage?
"The reality is most homosexuals don't support Gay marriage so why in the hell would anyone with common sense support gay marriage?"
If by "the reality is" you mean "what I am about to say is demonstrably false and utterly ridiculous," then you are absolutely correct.
No i mean "In reality" ... http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/12/16485065-protest-against-gay-marriage-huge-crowds-expected-in-paris?threadId=3645990&commentId=73332353#c73332353
Strongly backed by the Catholic hierarchy, lay activists have mobilized a hybrid coalition of church-going families, political conservatives, Muslims, evangelicals and even homosexuals opposed to gay marriage for the show of force.
Ahh yes! What would a good blog discussion be without the wisdom of the n*gger homophobe-in-chief Donald Price.
Nice to see that you are "wowed" by the several hundred thousand bigots who did their catholic rain dance around the Eiffel Tower, but the fact remains that the majority of French citizens (like the US) are in favor of SSM.
There was a time when the KKK marched by the thousands on the National Mall to oppose civil rights, but you seem to have missed that class in American History I guess.
Nice pink hat by the way.
"No i mean "In reality" "
The existence of a handful of homosexuals who oppose legalizing gay marriage in no sense justifies your ridiculous, false, and ignorant claim that "most homosexuals don't support Gay marriage."
The lousy analogy trying to compare race with homosexuality LMFAO. Sorry, I don't get the correlation, Race is a hereditary trait, homosexuality is not a hereditary trait meaning you don't get it from mommy or daddy ala there is no gay gene.
LevTolstoy2,
Well I provided facts, did you? No, of course not because you're not living in reality. 11 countries out of 300+ countries legalized same-same marriage(not all by citizens votes) that's like 4% of the world. What rock are you living under?
"Well I provided facts, did you?"
What facts?
How thick is your skull, Donald? Is that hat you are wearing full of radioactive material that is rotting your brain?
You've made the claim that "most homosexuals don't support Gay marriage." The fact that a handful of (unidentified) French homosexuals oppose gay marriage does not in any sense indicate that "most homosexuals don't support gay marriage." The fact that only 11 countries have legalized gay marriage does not in any sense indicate that "most homosexuals don't support gay marriage." None of the drivel that you've spewed supports your ridiculous claims.
Given that polls show that Americans are more or less split 50-50 on this issue, gays would have to be less likely to support gay marriage than straights in order for your claim to be true.
If you have any evidence to back up your nonsense, I'd be more than willing to consider it.
Do you have any articles supporting your claims? of course not. I'm sure if you actually researched do homosexuals agree with gay marriage on any major blog or forum you would see you're clearly incorrect. Gays don't wanna marry they want sex. sex and more sex thus the reasoning everywhere they reside the STD rate jumps 50%
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/12/16485065-protest-against-gay-marriage-huge-crowds-expected-in-paris?threadId=3645990&commentId=73332353#c73332353
Neither do you -- the article you quoted does not say anything about "most" homosexuals and their views on the matter.
As usual, Donald, you completely misunderstand the situation -- then try to lie your way out of it.
ErinNJ,
Great, you read the article & it's contents stating "and even homosexuals opposed to gay marriage for the show of force." LMFAO!!
Well i guess that Yahooanswers.com wasn't so wrong after all even http://worldnews.nbcnews.com is reporting the same things. I'm glad i educated myself on homosexuality before passing judgement these gay people are nothing more than perverts. Do they have a right to be a pervert? Well that's up to their respective societies.
Do I have articles supporting the claim that most gays support the legalization of gay marriage? No, I do not. I also don't have any articles supporting the claim that most Jews have a negative opinion of Hitler. When the reality is so obvious, very few people are willing to expend time and money to conduct polling.
If, as you claim, gay people are more likely to oppose gay marriage than are straight people (which would have to be true, given the roughly 50-50 split on the issue in America), I would think that there would be an article that noted this surprising fact. Can you provide one? The link that you've posted twice merely indicates that some gays oppose gay marriage. "Some" and "most" are not the same thing, Donald. Are you really so dense that you don't grasp that?
Sure i have articles from homosexuals themselves who oppose gay marriage but i'm sure you will try to twist the reality LMAO!!
http://nogaymarriage.wordpress.com/ - from Gays against Gay marriage
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/02/26/gays-who-dont-want-gay-marriage.html
Now I could find many more articles but I think you get the point alot of gays feel same-sex marriage is weird. You constantly bring up race and try to compare it to homosexuality but I see no Jews not wanting jews to marry each other and/or blacks not wanting blacks to marry each other. Again as I stated earlier the reality is most homosexuals don't support Gay marriage so why in the hell would anyone with common sense support gay marriage?
Take your time.
"Now I could find many more articles but I think you get the point a lot of gays just find gay marriage weird."
SOME=/=MOST
SOME=/=MOST
SOME=/=MOST
I'm sorry for repeating myself, but I really don't think you understand this very simple fact. I have no doubt that there are some gay people who oppose the legalization of gay marriage. It does not matter how many of them you quote because you haven't even attempted to prove your ridiculous claim that "most" gays oppose this.
As far as I can tell, there's been very little research on this subject. I have not yet found data for American homosexuals, but I did a report on a poll that was conducted in the United Kingdom that, "found that more than three quarters of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people supported same-sex marriage in principle... Overall they supported the Government’s plans to extend civil marriage to homosexual couples with 77 per cent disagreeing with the statement that marriage should only be “between a man and a woman.”
Actually, the fact that only three quarters of homosexuals supported the right to marry was widely regarded as surprising. Since every person with a working brain had long understood that most gays support marriage rights, they were surprised that the numbers weren't far higher.
And before you suggest that this was a biased poll, consider the organization that commissioned it: Catholic Voices.
Good lord, are you dense.
(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9317177/Gay-marriage-poll-suggests-doubts-in-gay-community.html)
LevTolstoy2,
Let's do the math shall we...
Gays against Gay marriage LMAO!!!
I can't find Blacks against Black marriage? Jews against Jew marriage, Whites against White marriage, hell I can't even find Heterosexuals against Heterosexual marriage.....why? because it sounds ridiculous at the least. However there is Gays against Gay marriage LMAO!!!
The reality is most gays don't support same-sex marriage because they know their perverted lifestyle is all about sex. Now let's stop this foolishness.
I must say that you may well be the stupidest person I've ever encountered on the newsvine. That is quite an accomplishment.
cannoli losin it
If they're so dead-set against gays raising children, then they can fight to outlaw same-sex couples from adopting kids. There's no reason to deny two men or two women the privilege of marrying each other if they wish.
Because gays can still naturally procreate with the opposite-sex. Children NEED a good mother & a good father not some random man playing mommy and/or a random woman playing daddy.
Hey homie...please enlighten us with your credentials in Sociology/Psychology that makes such a statement credible.
WRONG AGAIN, Donald:
American Psychological Association, American Psychiatric Association, National Association of Social Workers, American Academy of Pediatrics, 2006
Hey, Donald: that did not come from Yahoo!
Donald Price
Is this why the divorce rate is over 53% in the US? Oh yes, the heterosexuals have done such a great job of having families.
NOT.
ErinNJ,
The American Psychological Association, American Psychiatric Association, National Association of Social Workers, American Academy of Pediatrics, 2006 & Most of Western civilization for that matter has accepted the pioneer Dr. Sigmund Freud theories on human sexuality. Also did you know that Dr. Sigmund Freud stated that Bestiality is completely normal & Pedophilia is completely normal & it doesn't harm the child if the adult loves the children as a parent loves a child in a relationship. LMAO!!!
WELL I GUESS PEOPLE & ORGANIZATIONS LOVE TO USE DR. FREUD'S THEORIES ON SEXUALITY TO PROMOTE THEIR OWN PERVERTED AGENGA'S BUT REBUKE THEM WHEN THEIR PREJUDICES KICK IN ... LMFAO!!!
ItsAboutTime-3704531,
Marriage has nothing to do with being a good father or a good mother. However, a random man playing a "motherly role" and/or a random woman playing a "fatherly role" is not psychologically healthy for a child. Futhermore, gay relationships are too fragile to make marriage work. Most gays think 18 months in a committed relationship is a eternity LMFAO!!!
SO, when a heterosexual male marries a woman, then another woman, then another woman.. that's a good father?
LOL. You just don't get it do you. Homosexual couples can raise children just as good if NOT BETTER than a heterosexual couple.
Oh and yes.. 18 months? LOL look at Britney Spears... 24 hour marriage? Newt Gingrich, 3 wives, first wasn't pretty enough?
You should be laughing at your lack of education. :)
P.S. When SCOTUS rules in favor of gay marriage, will you leave the US?
"Also did you know that Dr. Sigmund Freud stated that Pedophilia is completely normal & it doesn't harm the child if the adult loves the children as a parent loves a child in a relationship."
No, I did not know that. Perhaps that's because Freud never wrote any such thing. In his most substantial discussion of pedophilia, which can be found in an essay entitled "The Sexual Aberrations," he describes pedophiles as "faint hearted and impotent individual[s]" and refers to the "gruesome frequency" of sexual assaults committed by teachers on students. He argues that most pedophiles prey on their victims because they are unable to find adult men or women to sleep with. He compares them to farmers who have sex with their livestock. He calls people who are only attracted to children "insane."
I almost quoted the original text in full, but then I realized that you are far, far too stupid to understand it.
ItsAboutTime-3704531,
You missed the point marriage has nothing to do with being a good father or a good mother. However, a random man playing a "motherly role" and/or a random woman playing a "fatherly role" is not psychologically healthy for a child. Hey maybe new-born babies should also be breast-feed by gay men since homosexual couples can raise children just as good if NOT BETTER than heterosexual couples. LMFAO!!!
Yes, 18 months in a COMMITTED relationship is considered an eternity to homosexuals LMAO!!
P.S. When SCOTUS doesn't rule in favor of gay marriage and leaves it up to the states to decide will you leave the US?
LevTolstoy2
FYI Dr. Freud never stated pedophilia was child-molestation, he stated child-molestation was when the child complains of the sexual encounter with an adult.
Edit: I wrote this before Donald Price deleted his post, which was almost entirely plagiarized from a website without any quotation marks or citations.
1. It would be nice if you would provide a citation when your post is clearly copied and pasted from another website.
2. You claimed earlier that Freud believed that, "Pedophilia is completely normal & it doesn't harm the child if the adult loves the children as a parent loves a child in a relationship." Nothing-- absolutely nothing-- that you just copied and pasted indicates that Freud wrote that.
3. Your insistence that Freud did not disapprove of adults having sex with children is clearly contradicted by the essay that I actually cited. When someone refers to the "gruesome frequency" of abuse, they are not discussing it in value-neutral terms.
4. Where exactly did Freud claim that "child-molestation was when the child complains?" Cite it.
Watch out cannoli will get his black belt on you,after lulling you into a fistfight
How, precisely, does one "lull" another into a fistfight? I'm unfamiliar with that phrase.
I can't believe how much time I've wasted in my life trying to argue with people who are completely incapable of stringing together a coherent sentence.
LevTolstoy2,
Alfred Charles Kinsey (June 23, 1894 – August 25, 1956) was an American biologist, professor ofentomology and zoology, and sexologist who in 1947 founded the Institute for Sex Research atIndiana University,[1] now known as the Kinsey Institute for Research in Sex, Gender, and Reproduction. He is best known for writing "Sexual Behavior in the Human Male" (1948) and "Sexual Behavior in the Human Female" (1953), also known as the Kinsey Reports, as well as the Kinsey scale. Kinsey's research on human sexuality, foundational to the field of sexology, provoked controversy in the 1940s and 1950s. His work has profoundly influenced social and cultural values in the United States, as well as internationally. - Wikipedia
The highest consecration of pedophilia comes in a 1998 edition of the “Psychological Bulletin”, organ of the American Psychological Association. The magazine affirms that sexual abuse in infancy “does not cause intense damage in a pervasive manner”, and besides that, recommends that the term pedophilia, “charged with negative connotations”, be changed to “intergenerational intimacy”.
Now before you go pointing the finger and saying ewwwww, heterosexuals say the same exact things about homosexuals. LMAO!!
Dr. Alfred Kinsey stated in his infamous Kinsey report that pedophilia, bestiality, homosexuality, bisexuality is completely normal human sexual behavior & that incest “can sometimes be beneficial”.
Gee, Donald, thanks for teaching me something new! I never knew that Alfred Kinsey and Sigmund Freud were the same person!
Did you ever consider that you spend so much time "laughing your a** off" because you have some kind of brain injury?
LevTolstoy2,
No protest to Dr. Kinsey? Well as we see you're full of prejudice but don't want someone else to be prejudice against you. What a hypocrite.
I've never seen you around here, but it's extraordinarily clear what your MO is. You make idiotic claims. When they are challenged you don't bother to defend them, but rather make new claims. You either have the intellect of a pancake, or you are a very effective troll.
You've made specific assertions about Freud. When I challenged you to provide evidence for those assertions and provided passages from Freud's work that seemed to dispute those claims, you started by posting a plagiarized passage from a website that was about Freud but that didn't have much to do with our discussion. Then you quickly deleted that post and tried to start talking about Kinsey.
For the record, I am not saying that I agree with any or all of what either Freud or Kinsey had to say. I am merely asking you to provide a shred of evidence when you make ridiculous claims.
LevTolstoy2,,
Wow you've resorted to name calling how low. I never once disrespected you. I guess that's how the homosexuals work when they can't push their perverted agenda then they start acting like 5 year olds.
LMAO!!
I'm not gay, by the way. I'm happily married. We're done here. You are incapable of having a reasonable conversation without completely shifting the subject as it suits you. You are a thoroughly ignorant person, Donald.
This must have been your first encounter with Donald. Most of us figured that out long ago and don't waste any time on him.
Donald has a strange, almost pathological obsession with homosexuality. It makes for great psychological study, but terrible debate.
Considering that Donald gets his "facts" from Yahoo! Answers -- or some other Yahoo! site -- he's truly not worth the time and effort it would take (although admittedly it wouldn't take much of either) to put him in his place.
The most liberal country in the world and they are opposing Gay Marriage ? I love it ! Power to them !!! There are still a few of Us here that respect Marriage and not make a joke out of it !!! Viva La France !
I guess France is doing the right thing,, Go for it people... Maybe we can ban gay pride walks in the cities. !!!!
Too bad for you that the bigots are a small minority, and the government has promised it will pass marriage equality next month.
"The most liberal country in the world...France"
We all stopped reading you comment right there. Ever traveled or lived any place outside the US?
P.S. It is: vive le France. (and viva Las Vegas - a movie. Go back to watching.)
Honey I ask to speak to your mommy here at school..which one is your mommy?
The one on the left act's like my mommy and the one on the right is suppose to be my daddy.
You're a dumb teacher..never watch Ellen on TV?
LOL on this one who is the mommy or daddy
They rotate every other week! ;)
Your turn to be daddy..and don't use the gold strap-on..I prefer the pink one.
Maybe the French people are doing something right for once!!!!
Yes, the majority of the FRENCH People support gay marriage. Therefore, they are doing the right thing, just like this country is.
EQUAL MARRIAGE RIGHTS
You mean ignoring the demonstration of stupidity from this tiny minority crowd of bigots and passing sensible legislation anyway? If so, I agree.