US officials are saying very little about the Algerian military operation to free those taken hostage after militants attacked a gas facility Wednesday morning. NBC's Stephanie Gosk reports.
The fate of dozens of hostages seized by Islamists at a gas field in Algeria remained unclear early Friday, hours after the Algerian military stormed the site.
At least six people, and perhaps many more, were killed, The Associated Press reported, and dozens were unaccounted for.
Algerian state media reported Thursday evening that the military operation had ended at the remote desert facility where dozens of workers — including three Americans — had been held hostage. The Algerian government was reported as saying two Filipinos and two British hostages had been killed.
Accounts of the number of hostages and militants killed in the operation differed wildly — ranging from four to 35 — in reports from regional sources cited by The Associated Press and Reuters.
Among those unaccounted for were Americans, Britons, French, Norwegians, Romanians, Malaysians, Japanese and Algerians.
Some of the hostages reportedly escaped from the natural gas pumping plant, near In Amenas, close to the border with Libya and 800 miles from the Algerian capital.
An unknown number of hostages left the country on a charter flight and were expected to land at London's Gatwick airport near midnight Thursday, according to BP, which operates the gas complex. The plane had not arrived as of 3:15 a.m. Friday.
The Islamist militants stormed the plant and workers' housing before dawn on Wednesday seizing up to 41 hostages in one of the biggest international hostage incidents in decades.
The militants have demanded an end to the French military campaign in Mali where ground troops and air forces of the former colonial power are backing Mali's military in offensive against Islamist rebels linked to al-Qaida in that country.
The group that has claimed responsibility for the gas plant raid is said to be led by an Islamic militant called Mokhtar bel Mokhtar, whose nicknames include "The Uncatchable" and "Mr. Marlboro."
According to the AP, militants with the Masked Brigade, a Mali-based al-Qaida offshoot, provided updates through a Mauritanian news organization that said the Algerians attacked when the militants tried to move hostages from the energy complex. The group claimed that 35 hostages and 15 militants died but seven hostages survived the helicopter attack on its convoy.
An Algerian security official says the decision to send forces came because the militants were being stubborn and wanted to flee with the hostages.
U.S. officials called the hostage situation "murky" and said the United States is working with the Algerian government and other affected nations to try to resolve the situation as quickly and securely as possible.
"It's in a remote area of Algeria, near the Libyan border," Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said. "The security of our Americans who are held hostage is our highest priority, but of course we care deeply about the other Algerian and foreign hostages as well."
Clinton said she could not provide any additional information about the situation.
An Ireland government spokesman said Thursday that an Irish national held at the In Amenas gas plant had "made contact with his family and is understood to be safe and well, and no longer a hostage."
Sky News in London identified the Irish survivor as Stephen McFaul, 46, from west Belfast.
In an interview with the television station, McFaul's father Christopher said he was "delighted" by the news but added he felt "sorry for the other hostages that are still there."
He also described the last 48 hours as "hell".
Stephen McFaul's son, Dylan, also spoke to the Sky reporters: "I can't even explain the excitement. I can't wait until he gets home again," he said, adding that he would tell his father "he's never going back there and I'm not letting him".
A local resident near the plant told Reuters the Algerian military had opened fire and that "many people" were killed.
Twenty hostages of an Algerian militant group with ties to al Qaeda in a standoff with the Algerian Army are reported to have escaped Thursday. Over 41 hostages of several nationalities, including Americans, were being held in a BP gas facility. NBC's Michelle Kosinski reports.
Faycal Metaqui, a journalist at Algerian newspaper El Watan, told French news channel BFM that he was unable to confirm with authorities the earlier reports that some hostages had escaped.
"Sadly, there have been some reports of casualties, but we are still lacking any confirmed or reliable information," said a statement from oil giant BP, which is a joint owner of the plant.
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France launches 'tough' ground offensive against Mali's Islamist rebels
Nancy Ing, Jim Miklaszewski and Courtney Kube of NBC News, contributed to this report.


Can only hope for the best here. At this time, there isn't a whole ton of information. But any causualties aren't the fault of the Algerian military. They are the fault of the hostage takers.
That guy with the towel on his head looks exactly like my Mexican gardener (without the towel of course).
And you made a complete fool of yourself by posting such a stupid comment...
Hey marlen -
Pinchete tu madre, pendejo.
Sadly Algerian forces would not be as cautious about not hitting the hostages as other countries would be. They have been dealing with these terrorists for a long time, so they want an end to their operations. Hopefully the surviving ones will be rescued and return home to their families. Kind of dumb to do it to an international organization. If you want the western world to quickly united against something, this would be probably be towards the top of the list.
LMAO! Look at all the aliens coming out to post. Probably illegals. I hope La Migra comes a knocking at your collective doors and you all get deported back to your shtihole country.
This is not the time for such rascist and short sighted talk. How can you be thinking this way at such a time. Infact , it is very true that there are more thoughtless people than thoughtful. THINK marlen101917
Janstince.... Your comment is offensive in any language. Why the Spanish? You are in the USA and participating on a forum conducted in English. You have plenty of outlets where your comments in Spanish would be better appreciated! Wish people like you would just leave...
"Unconfirmed reports from local sources cited by Reuters and The Associated Press said hostages and militants had been killed in the operation."
Hostages dying is a sad news. They just went there for their livelihood.
Time to use substitutes for oil and let us get out of those deserts.
Let us send the Islamic extremists to desert days riding camels.
Hey Mikey...both you and and Marlen are making yourselves look like fools. I wish people like you would just leave...
WHERE are POTUS and Hillary on this? Nothing to say?
If it was Quentin Tarantino and a film crew that had been taken hostage (much less possibly killed), they'd be front and center speaking out.
they ought to blow that country up real good...then demand all their money to stop...put that shoe on the other foot...hell we need money...to help pay off the national debt...
Saying one person looks like someone you know isn't racism.
It's just pointing out something they have observed.
Hey, that guy in the picture looks like someone I know. NOT RACISM. you tools.
Johathon;
Read the article, it's a Natural gas pumping station, not oil, LPG.
MC Gusto;
You're wasting your breath. To all the flavors of the month types, ANY comment that mention their group or sub-group is racism. One of their main groups is called La Raza, "The" Race, but because it's them it's not racist. Let white folks form a group like that and they would all be out protesting, yelling about racism. They are more racist than whites, by far. but they called it racial pride. Whites can't say White pride, but the rest,, everyday. Anyway, fire away call me racist. Just keep in mind I'm Cheyenne. I've been called many things by many races, nothing new. Just leave your money at the Casino, Pendejo Putos.
MC Gusto
I agree completely but I think it is the towel remark that got people's panties in a bunch.
Good job Algeria .
That's how you deal with those militants .
What, by strafing hostages? Pinchete tu madre, pendejo.
The Nicodemus...Uh...Too late...What do you think of the pride of the International Aryan Nation? Pretty swell huh? It figures. Don't you think it's time for the White Supremacists to shut the hell up already? These bullies want their own brand of "holy" war...aimed at races and religions they consider their inferiors. Who died and pronounced their superiority as "holy" and "righteous?"
At least the French went in there,their government didn't command them to "stand down"
Hey NoCommi, thanks for reminding us that you know nothing about anything. The jobs report covers new unemployment claims, that happen even in good times, as people leave a job and usually get another sooner than later. Your math analysis would be great if you're on meth. Thanks.
marlen101917 has the hots for her gardener.
Jobs are what the Algerians and multi-nationals are doing, under great stress in the desert, Working, being Productive and Providing a Product (energy) to a hungry world. A Product that 'Investors' (those conservative enough to 'save' something to Invest) are willing to fund, only if there is a motivation, a Profit. The attackers (seems to endlessly be 'Islamists') are those more interested in tribal domination rooted back into antiquity, where they obviously would prefer to be.
Nothing changes in the world, as long as the human psyche is present. The latest, 'El Presidente' of the USA is interested in Jobs, just as long as they are 'Govt' jobs related to Voters re-employing the bureaucracy (including their myriad of 'perks') that favors Them. Hmmm, almost seems 'Tribal' in concept....
Hmmmmmm, I thought Barrack Hussein said Al Qaeda was dead.
Didn't he fly the Blackhawk into Pakistan and shoot Osama Porn Laden himself and then told us terrorism is finished?
It's a shame Americans keep getting killed as a result of this incompetent administration.
When will people learn to never travel to that part of the world.
Cut all funding and aid to these people, and stop traveling there.
Blogengeezer...Don't you mean those conservative enough to live large and in excess and then recoup their losses from everyone else? Sure they love to invest and save...the profits they get from everyone else. And, lest you need a refresher in economics...you can only invest if you haven't had your job shipped to China, your taxes increased so the "conservatives" can reduce theirs and so the Big Moolah Bois Too Big To Fail and Too Rich to Change never feel a split second of hardship discomfort....
Anyone else fed up with the "Haves" in this country ripping us off so they can "Have" it all?
I originally posted on an earlier story of this incident;
Then had this fired at me;
So Scott, How barbaric is it to take out one at at a time instead of Carpet Bombing them and taking just about everyone out rather than the hostage "takers"?
This is why we "Americans" use a different fire power. We at least discriminate who we're aiming at. Even when we do use bombs, we at least have the technology to steer them to their direct targets.
Algeria just flies over and basically carpet bombs the place indiscriminately taking out everybody ensuring they get the bad guys.....
Works well but totally defeats the purpose of a rescue..
Well we can all agree on 2 things: the truth about the Algerian situation will never come out by the Obama Administration or the liberal media, and the Americans taken hostage will never be aided by the Obama Administration and they were probably instructed by Hillarious Clinton or Obama himself to "stand down."
ewent
No, but we real Americans are fed up with you pathetic little limp-wristed Liberals/Progressives whining about how every bogeyman in the world is out to get you.
Aren’t you the least bit ashamed to walk around your whole life with your hands out, your eyes shut and mind closed? Don’t you see how you miscreants just make yourselves more and more insignificant as you complain about the successful and ambitious as you just expose your apathetic dysfunctional existence?
It’s a shame to watch you all genuflect to the incompetence of a wannabe like Barrack Hussein. What did he accomplish that was so incredible to make you think he was capable of leading the greatest Republic in history? Was it the few picnics he arranged in Chicago as a community organizer? Maybe the books he wrote about himself? Perhaps that he can give a good speech, so could Hitler.
We all know you Libbies voted for Barrack Hussein to prove to yourselves you’re not a racist in 2008, and then you also proved your ignorance when you voted for him again last year.
Of course if you save and invest you make profits off someone else, that’s what commerce creates. The true free-market has both winners and losers, that's how life is. Maybe if you stopped watching "Idol" and "Jersey Shore" and took a night class in Investing 101 you could make some money too. You have the same opportunity but you don’t want to work or sacrifice for it, you want someone else to just give it to you. As your boy-toy Barrack keeps brainwashing you that you can only be middle-class at best, you not only swallow it, you ask for more.
His belittling you by denying you the ability to be successful and wealthy should enrage you, yet you submissively accept it without so much as a struggle. Did your parents raise you to submit to a perfect stranger and follow his every decree without any resistance? They should be ashamed if they did.
Dissent is the highest form of patriotism but you refuse to even try. Instead you blame everyone but yourself for your incompetence and insignificance.
Stop looking under your bed every night, there’s no such thing as the bogeyman. He only exists in your convoluted Liberal mind because you’re afraid to take a chance and become successful. America is the land of equal opportunity, not equal outcomes.
It’s up to you to stop striving to be mediocre, that’s all Barrack Hussein wants you to be.
We real Americans know that we—and you, if you work at it—can succeed, despite Barrack Hussein hoping we don’t.
Try to keep up Spanky!
MikeS -
I'm an American citizen by birth, but my father's parents both immigrated here from Mexico. My grandfather fought in WWII, my dad was in service (Army, then Air Force) for almost 30 years.
You wanna tell me I look like some stereotypical "gangbanger" or "towelhead," then in my opinion you deserve to have invective thrown at you. That's how REAL freedom of speech works, a truly American value.
You know what I don't consider an American value? Telling people who have every right to be here that they should leave because they don't speak English, or don't think like you, or whatever. I didn't tell him to go back to whatever @!$%#hole country his ancestors came from, I told him to go @!$%# his mother.
JimSpence -
Please. You TPers would throw out Ronald Goat@!$%#er Reagan if he gave a speech today, despite your hero-worship of him. You have no sense of history and a big ol' heaping of privilege blinders on.
The American Dream? Yeah, talk about it all you want, but it's a myth, kind of like the Golden Age you keep talking about but never actually get around to pointing out.
These Islamist have just drawn the wrath of the world. More patience here could have saved lives. Containment would have led to barter for freedom, not just of the hostages but the Islamist themselves. I would think firing bullets at a gas plant would be foolhardy in itself.
@janstice;
Just because you can not achieve the American dream does not give you a right to knock it. Someone asks you to speak english on an english forum and you come back with "go .... your mother"?!! Per usual your posts do not make sense to me, nor many others I would imagine. They are one thing for sure and that is rude and highly in violation of the COH. You are obviously mad because you got served.
Coral Taxi -
I got served? Where? When? No process servers, here, I didn't sign for anything.
Also, English forum? Didn't see that anywhere in the rules.
As for the COH, isn't there some kind of code that prohibits the use of racial invective? If there isn't one there, then there should be no problem with me calling a spade a spade and a racist mother@!$%#er a racist mother@!$%#er.
Finally, the racism that "all brown people look alike to me" is about as offensive as "all black people look the same," or "all Asians are Chinese or Japanese," or what-have-you. And he didn't ask me to speak English, some other honky did, after I posted in Spanish. I've been using English most of my life, but sometimes the flow of the language just sounds better, especially when insulting some dumbass who likes to make fun of "brown people." Why don't you ever get off that white horse of yours, you knight in shining armor, and muck around with us regular folk now and again? You might get a @!$%#ing clue, then.
i'd feel guilty if i said it reminded of somebody i use to know...so it reminds me of a banjo i use to own...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2RjlLkMsX4
Does that go for spics, wetbacks, and illegal @!$%#ing invading leeches from south of the border too? Or just what you consider appropriate responses?
Janstince
Awwwwww, did the American Dream Fairy miss your house?
You know what I'm talking about don't you Spanky? That American Dream that you think you should just get whether you earned it or not because you exist. Because you’ve been somehow persecuted, somehow disenfranchised, somehow your wittle feewings got hurt!
You're one of the miscreants that believe in that adolescent "fair share" nonsense that your boy-toy Barrack Hussein babbles about all day. That "level playing field" too, huh? And of course that totally ridiculous fairy-tale the "living wage" is high on your wish-list too, isn't it?
This is the bizarre world you Liberals/Progressives live in. None of you can define a "fair share", that "level playing field" or a "living wage", but you demand it should somehow exist. This is why you can't be taken seriously. Of course you accept the premise that Barrack Hussein promotes that the best you can be is middle-class. It's a shame you have no shame. It insults me every time he claims the best you can be is mediocre. It infuriates when he talks down to you and condescends you. But amazingly, you don’t care.
His class-warfare/envy meme should insult your intelligence, but it doesn't, you accept it and believe it. This is the pity of your life. You, and your ilk, just want everything given to you because you're incapable of functioning in a normal society that gives you every opportunity.
And don't give me your typical pity-party excuses that because you're "brown" you're persecuted.
Bulls**t!!!!!!
You allow yourself to be persecuted. My parents both immigrated here after the war because most of their families were either killed or missing. They came via Canada and were ridiculed and persecuted as D.P's (Displaced Person). They worked and invested their money. My dad worked 3 jobs at times to make sure we had what we needed. They retired well off and didn't use their Social Security money, instead they invested it in the kids trust funds. We plan to do the same with our kids.
Go peddle your sob story to someone who doesn't know any better like one of your indoctrinated Liberal/Progressive "victims". In the meantime, we real American’s will just keep doing what it takes to succeed and to make this a better Republic despite your efforts to sabotage it with your social and economic justice nonsense.
Get a life Spanky!
Why do terrorists and republicans hate america so much?
Just prior to the raid it was reported that someone was overhead saying, " Kill them all, let God sort em out" . sound familiar.........??
Its called collateral damage in our country.
Janstince, after reading the above comments it sounds like the only one lacking any clue is you! American dream? Yeah it is in fact alive and well if one is willing to work for it. I spent 20 years in the honorable service of my country. After retiring from the military, I worked for the local hospital for 16 years before retiring from there in the small town where I live. While in both the military and civilian life, I always made it a point to invest a modest amount of each paycheck. I also collect a VA disability for a service connected injury that prevents me from working any further. I own my own home, and have put both my adult children through college. I am quite comfortable and do not need the free handouts that so many leftist liberals think is their God given right to claim.
By the way, I live on the AZ/Mexico border in Cochise County, AZ. About 6 blocks from the border fence to be precise. I am also of Mexican/American extract with 100% emphasis on the American part, although I speak fluent Spansh, and find your views on race to be totally repugnant. Besides, you cannot even spell in Spanish properly. It is actually pinche tu not pinchete tu. If you want to insult someone, at least have the class to do it properly!
@george;
Because it gives them purpose. Jihad is what they(terrorits Islamists) live for. I would imagine Jihad would be a moot point whithout an enemy. They fight under the guise of a "holy war" then decapitate people for having a beard to long or talking against Islam, adultery, etc. These are not holy actions.
Politics more than religion are the motivators for their "Jihad". ie They want absolute rule to lead the ME. The guise of Jihad keeps many Muslims on their side to achieve rule and popularity in the ME. The problem they have now is that they can no longer keep people ignorant as they have in the past to the right of freedom of choice and not just strict Sharia. This goes much deeper, especially with the Pakistan Taliban. They hate us because they need someone to hate. They know we would leave them alone if they renounced their goal of our(the West's) destruction.
As far as your Republicans hating America comment, your just being a wisacre.
Hello folks, listen to the warmongers, we just lost two protracted wars (Iraq and Afghanistan) a half a world away and now their giving advice on fighting and starting another war that would last a lot longer then Afghanistan. The French went into Vietnam and lost and we took over and lost, as they say those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Here we go again! The propaganda is beginning!
All of you arm chair soldiers are cowards. You act as if war is a video game. You cowardly sheeple would be the last to sign up to fight in any war!
The War On Terror Spreads to Africa: U.S. Sending Troops to 35 African Nations
Submitted by George Washington on 01/12/2013 16:40 -0500
The U.S. is sending troops to 35 African nations under the guise of fighting Al Qaeda and related terrorists.
Democracy Now notes:
U.S. Army teams will be deploying to as many as 35 African countries early next year for training programs and other operations as part of an increased Pentagon role in Africa. The move would see small teams of U.S. troops dispatched to countries with groups allegedly linked to al-Qaeda, such as Libya, Sudan, Algeria and Niger. The teams are from a U.S. brigade that has the capability to use drones for military operations in Africa if granted permission. The deployment could also potentially lay the groundwork for future U.S. military intervention in Africa.
Doot and Cannonball, my family have been in the southwest for hundreds of years. Some of us that have been here that long consider you and the likes of you illegal aliens. I happen to find your ignorance and lack of common decency appaling to say the least.
Cannonball, I have known the people you refer to as spicks all my life. They have always treated my family and I with the outmost respect and I do the same for them. I would prefer befriending them any day of the week than a racist Son of a Bitch like you. There is something very stupid about you and everyone knows it. Look in the mirror you stupid embecile Do you actually like what you see? It appears to be just trash to me and I'm sure I'm not the only one that thinks like that. I have know garbage like you all my life and you are all the same. Plain cowards who won't throw down but talk trash behind your back. You have no spine you gutless worm, you pompous arrogant twat!
The most transparent administration, so far from the truth!
B.S. so much b.s., who knows how much of what we hear is true? With politically correct and b.s. we are totally in the dark! The century of p.c. and bs, woe to the children. Shame, shame, shame.
I remember fdr and his fire side chats, "even my little dog fala, does not want waah", such a fraud. We believed it though, and loved him. Shame, shame, shame.
Cannonballer, don't you have white sheet and pointy hood you need to to go iron for tonight's meeting?
The Nicodemus: Oil, gas, LPG are all polluting environment and many sources in Muslim dominated basket case nations.
Those controlling the sources of oil, gas, LPG tend to manipulate their prices as they like. They are blackmailing us!
Instead of them, we need to use environmental friendly substitutes like solar power, electric batteries, or other less polluting substitutes.
JimSpence -
Actually, I do quite well, thanks, though it's really none of your business. But, when I see the social deck stacked against some people more than others, on the basis of skin color, gender, or whatever, it raises my hackles. To see a moron like you throw others under the bus just because your parents came out on top? Yeah, great for you, sure. Hope you enjoy your little ivory tower, jackass.
cannonballer -
Go eat a plate of racist stew, you whitebread, self-interested dickhead.
I'm sorry for every loss of life, but it has to be said. If you're a western civilian and you're going to ANY Arab country, to work or for holiday, you should be well aware that there's a good chance you're not going to come back alive.
To be fair, over 99.9% of "western civilians" visiting "any Arab Country" have actually come back alive. If it was "only" 50%, then we would be talking about 100s of thousands of deaths. I am one of those over 99.9% who has come back alive.
That being stated, pray for the safe return of ALL the hostages and death of all the Radical Islamist Hostage Taking Wackos.
World Tourism Organization (UNWTO) estimates international tourist arrivals in the Middle East reached 54.8 million in 2011
I think the odds are in our favor.
Even if you're not gonna die there, there is a good chance you'll be thrown to prison or stoned or whipped for kissing your girlfriend in public. All sorts of s*** can happen while you go on a vacation to such countries.
It would be helpful if MSN would stop putting articles up with partial information and changing the facts every 15 minutes. Quit trying to be the first to break a story; it's more important to get the story right,especially when people's lives are at stake.
First 34 hostages were dead, then they escaped and are all alive, now several are dead.
@Alant98, you don't know what you're talking about
So INCREDIBLY RUE! If you see an eye on the stove that's glowing red hot, would you touch it? I didn't think so. So WHY IN THE FCUK are Americans still going to these God forsaken countries where life is as meaningless as a penny on the sidewalk?
Alant98, Tisdales
Considering your guy's definition of "good chance" I can only assume you both waste tons of money playing the lottery.
Monkey , that is a flawed stat.
Many of those tourist are not western and include muslims traveling to other muslim countries.
Do you really think 53 million westerners traveled to Islamic nations?
No Commi...Why are you bitching about jobs? All you have to do is move to BIG RICH Texas...That Whole Other Country. With all the braggarts swaggering and booming about how many jobs they've increase, I should think you'd be hopping a freight car for Galveston at the very least.
By the way, if you get news out of The DogPatch Tribune, you won't find jobs in those classifieds...not unless sitting on the porch with Lazy Daisy Mae constitutes Lil Abner's definition of "work."
Ewent,
What does jobs, and BIG RICH Texas have to do with hostages in the Algeria? Pull your head out and stay focused. Pray for the hostages, sounds like that is a bad situation over there for a number of westerners, not just americans. Stop being so hateful!
Jon...Read his post...He was the one bitching about NO jobs and the loss (he claims ..of 350,000 jobs.) Take it up with him. Not me. I responded to his post just like you responded to mine. What's hateful about taking down those who hate our government and our president? Who I pray for is none of anyone's business. What's with the great commandos in this country always ready to tell others what to do from one minute to the next? Grow up.
I say only negotiate w/hostage takers long enough to gather intel to try to free the hostages. Then go in and free as many as you can and kill or capture the hostage takers. Interrogate those who are captured, then execute them. Then use the intel gathered to identify who backed them up. Execute them, also. However many hostages and liberators die in the liberation attempt should be used to determine the # of the hostage takers next of kin who will also be executed. Do not give the hostage situation any media attention at all. Dealing with these animals in this way will put a stop to their actions.
Who TF are you talking to?! Who is Commi?
Creek Dog
I've come to the conclusion that she has imaginary conversations with the voices in her head and then accidentally posts her responses here. It's really the only explanation for her constant blathering and her inability to avoid whining and crying about "big oil" or Texas in virtually every post she makes.
ewent, you seem so concerned about the "have's and the have not's". Here is an idea. Instead of wasting your time posting on the internet you go back to school and get some marketable skills? That way you can become a "have", and prevent the rest of us from having to read your tripe. It's a win-win for both sides......
Ewent,
"What's with the great commandos in this country always ready to tell others what to do from one minute to the next?"
Like Bloomberg and sodas?
Like the gun control measures NY passed, and others want to pass?
Like the liberal nanny states of CA & NY?
so I guess that means al-qaida isn't disseminated after all and the Algerian military sure knows how to take away the advantage of hostages, kill them first , then the stupid terrorists have nobody to hide behind !
What hostages? The Algerian military killed them all!
That's what I thought when I read the "report" above. Then I went back and noted the source of that information:
Just as likely the hostage takers killed the hostages knowing they were screwed...
Lots of information needed to make solid conslusions. Since the US government was not involved, I'd guess we will get 100% truth on the final report!
Monkey. Well put! The Algerians obviously have a "reverse" Hostage Crisis Policy. "Please come out with your hands up or we will begin executing hostages and hostage takers immediately." "If you do not surrender immediately there will be no more hostages to bargin with."
Concerned One:
Just because US government is not involved does not mean you will ever learn the truth.
The reason Jack Nicholson's line: "You can't handle the truth" in A Few Good Men was so powerful is because it is true. All military news is filtered, I don't care which government you want to use as a reference. Making snide comments about information disclosure when people have died is just irresponsible. Please learn to think before you post.
Condolences to the families who lost loved ones today and any day. It's just more frustrating when extremists and terrorists are the culprits.
Nicodemus, La Raza or The Race is also known as Aztlan, for a certain people that where here in the Americas during a time when your ancestors were still living in caves or trees. You also have your own name for the white race, it's called the KKK. These people as you know, are extremely religious and very thoughtful and kind to African Americans. I personally know many Cheyenne, Cherokee, & Apache and none have are as ignorant biased when they speak as you so I call your bluff. Why do white people want to be Indian now? Is it all of a sudden Shick? Also, if you are going to curse in Spanish at least learn what you are saying. You make no sense even when cursing. You are, apparently not intelligent and it is very noticable. I have no patience for people like you that open their mouths and the whole world can see how idiotic you really are.
How long before we allow Israel to nuke the mulsims?
And do you seriously think that a nuclear-armed Muslim nation known as Pakistan will sit by and do nothing in response? Thank God you're not a politician or military leader.
You mean the country on the verge of war with their traditional, heavily armed, nuclear power India? They won't do anything. Thank God you're just an Internet rump swab for Obama.
skibum -
They won't attack India. But if one person uses nukes, you can bet others will.
MAD doesn't work once the first shot is fired. After that, you have to hope that the people in command will come to their senses. Not likely if they're looking at nuclear annihilation themselves.
don't hit that gas tank or the oil companies will raise gas a dollar a gallon
I've been following Janstince and I MUST SAY...you'are a fcuking libtard to the core, aren't you? Just another ONumbNutz supporter who's passive and will let the government tell you how to live and what you can and cannot have/do/say/etc. Earlier This post came out:
marlen101917
That guy with the towel on his head looks exactly like my Mexican gardener (without the towel of course).
To which your reply was:
Janstince
Hey marlen -
Pinchete tu madre, pendejo.
Since you've resorted to foul language and derogatory comments, it only makes sense that you can handle a few thrown at you.
Pakistan is Sunni
Iran is Shiite
Pakistan would love Israel destroying Iran
jwb2;
Wouldn't effect us, the natural gas from there goes to China and Russia. It might get them a large number of Russian and/or Chinese "tourists" coming to the country however. I can hear the weeping and whining now.
Dootiboy - pinchete tu madre, pendejo. Thanks!
Has anyone else noticed that the Great Angry McMales in the US are chomping at the bit for war...anywhere they can get it? Must be because they can't find much else to look forward to in their lives.
So they want Pakistan to bomb India. India to bomb Pakistan and Iran and these armchair anarchists want credibility of their civility? Yeah...right.
ewent, it is pretty easy to tell when someone has been in the military, in a combat position (MOS). These jerks here never signed up for anything, they just want to throw real people's kids into the line of fire. I say if a polititcan has never served in the military he should never be able to vote for a war.
More from the religion of peace.
Time for an all out war on these vermin.
Start bombing their villages, camps and out houses.
You do realize that many of the hostages, & the Algerians who killed the hostage takers are Moslems? It seems that bombing the villages, camps, & houses of genocides would make more sense.
Elvis baby, as we said in Viet Nam, "You first Sir"
Our politicians need to read more on the Crusades and how that turned out. The terrorists live in poverty and have very little to lose; so, a promise of better things to come if they kill their enemies along with thmeselves does not leave a lot of wiggle room for negotiations. This is not a bargaining chip to be played. And, like cockroaches, you cannot rid the home by killing just one. Unfortunately, they are all too eager to take everyone along with them on their journey to paradise. Maybe they should be taught reality - that their 70 virgins awaiting them in paradise may not all be female.
They got it wrong. It's one 70 year old virgin, gender not stated.
And just what do virgins know anyway? I'd rather have whores.
Charles D. Carter, R.A.;
The ones blowing themselves up and the average dumb a$$ hostage taker my have little to lose. However, like Bin Laden, the LEADERS of these groups have millions in income from illegal sources and drug trafficking. Like any other "government" or leadership structure the top get it all and everyone else pays the freight. If these leaders are such died in the wool true believer in what they convince the masses they are,why not lead by example?. Why don't they Strap on a bomb vest and blow themselves up? The same reasons presidents and dictators don't lead the troops into battle, they feel they can send others to die but they are far too valuable, too god like, they are above actually risking more than rhetoric.
Nicodemus...Uh...It was President George Washington who led HIS troops to battle in the Revolutionary War. And, Ulysses S. Grant, though not president during the Civil War, led HIS troops into battle. Sorry, I forgot, DogPatch doesn't spend money on history books or much else apparently. The US has a history of military men becoming president...Eisenhower, a prominent WWII general and JFK.
event, true we have had a few.....in the past. Now days there is no such thing as a politician (at least a younger one) who has been in the military. Since the draft is gone they can easily avoid any military duty by having dad take care of it. No, we people are the problem. It is never our line of thought, always someone else that is the idiot but we just go and re-elect our "leaders" politicians and point at someone else.
Ewent: let me clarify some 'history' facts for you because you seem to be confused. General George Washington was not 'President Washington' when he led the troops in the Revolutionary war. As a matter of fact there was a Continental Congress who appointed Washington general of the revolutionary army. Washington became president after the ratification of the Constitution in 1789. Ulyses S. Grant, as well as Dwight D. Eisenhower, John F. Kennedy and George H. W. Bush (Senior) were never active members of the military when they were in office. The Constitution of the United States does not allow an active member of the military to be president and the commander in chief does not go in front of the troops when in battle.
Charles: If you review the crusades, please review the real reasons of such an atrocity (not the one that they give you in school that it was to liberate Jerusalem from the Muslims). The real reason of the crusades was monetary. The royal families and merchants in Europe were obfuscated because the Caliph sitting in Jerusalem would charge tax to the caravans going to Europe with merchandise for the feudal lords. They (since they had the money) appealed to the church (which was a way to legitimize the cause of the crusades and to avoid people resisting to enroll in a campaign where they've got nothing to gain), and the church declared the crusades holy in order to get troops to enroll in the campaign. Finally, the only reason why the president of any nation does not go into battle is the same one the old kings used, if they got killed the nation would be leaderless and in shambles. It's simply common sense.
Having to refer to your trip as "I came back alive" is really not helping the point you're trying to make here.
There is only one way to deal with hostage takers - assume the hostages are, or will be, dead. Storm the site & make no attempt to take the hostage takers alive. No sense in giving terrorists more excuses to take hostages. If any of the hostages make it out alive, it's a bonus.
This must be a publicly stated position. That way you know if you're taken hostage you might as well resist to your maximum ability. You're already presumed dead anyway, so you've got nothing to lose. Read "The Ransome of Red Chief" for inspiration.
Idiot
Well thought out take with last8 making an ass of herself.
Last8 could you give us another demonstration of your debate skills?
sad, but that is the true reality of being captured by those jihadists.
Wonder what you would think if you were one of the hostages.
Musician: Yeah, because that work so good in Munich...
I wonder how long will it take before every country in the middle east has an Islamic government.
I wonder how long will it be before the western world gets its' collective thumbs out of their butts and realizes what the islamic terrorists are actually up to.
I wonder who remembers the liberals mocking Romney for bringing up Mali in the debate in regard to terrorism?
They remember, but they will never admit it. This all happens in a vacuum to them, the one between their ears.
So you boys are volunteering to go to Mali and chase bad guys? The banjo music will be really loud as you drive out in to the desert!
Tetrapoda....OMG....too too funny but soooo on the mark...Slam dunk. Nothing like sore losers right? They'll be bitching until Hillary becomes the next president. Hopefully, by then, they'll have terminal laryngytis...roflmao.
Tetrapoda
WTF are you even talking about? Who here suggested that we should even bother "chasing the bad guys"?
Level the place.
I agree, nuke em
Next time leave it to the Navy Seals
Hell no! Leave Americans out of this. I am thrilled to see it is France and someone else. Not our fight. Why risk American lives. How bout you go over there.
So nevermind the 3 American hostages right?
That would make sense to use seals before this gets way out off hand. And obama can do it on the sly or behind closed doors like he is so good at.
Highly intelligent people most always walk softly but carry a big stick. That's the reason this president is so successful and is so able to outwit his "enemies" every time.
ewent
ROTFLMAO!!!
This President hasn't "outwitted" anyone other than sheep such as yourself and he sure as hell isn't carrying a stick big or small. Every terrorist in the ME and Africa know they can act with virtual impunity, especially after our non-response to the attack in Libya and else where. And of course lets not forget Putin giving Obama, and his epically failed "Russia reset" policy, the middle finger every chance he gets.
Anyone who believes this Pesident knows jack @!$%# about foriegn policy is a retarded lemming.
So now terrorists can act with impunity....because of our President? The same President that your ilk get upset about killing suspected terrorists with drones? So you all were saying "get out of Libya" then "we should have gone in to Libya". The answer your ilk always has is to kill people you don't agree with, or kill people who are different. That is not a foreign policy, it is ignorance.
I don't think Islamist militants would be happy anywhere in the world... unless they were killing or kidnapping... it's not in their nature to be at peace with anything!
Try it... you might like it... I know the rest of us certainly would!
Muslims only worship death and decay.
The militant fanatics of any religion have this problem. Check out Northern Ireland, where both factions claim to worship the Prince of Peace. Even the Hindus had the Thuggees, & there are Hindu sects who sweep the ground in front of them when they walk so they won't even accidentally step on a microbe.
Yeah, that worked real well for the Tibetan Monks. You'd be hard pressed to find a more peaceful people. Yet it mattered not to China.
Dana...Actually, if you dig even deeper, it has less to do with their religions than their raging testosterone. Look at who the militants are. Few of them are women. Look at the oppression they inflict on women in their countries. So is that part of religious dogma? Or male addiction to control of the world?
Every male who has ever risen to prominence in a hostile way ends up missing their world power goals by millions of miles. They're just too stupid to realize it's a losing battle they can never win.
Islam, the religion of P'sOS.
Muslims ... Because little school girls can't shoot themselves in the head with AK 47's.
Islam is poison.
Muslims great by wishing peace on each other, & always upon their prophet. Anyone who worships, or claims to worship, the Prince of Peace should show more respect.
BTW those little school girls were Muslims too.
Islam is Poison!!
By working in the ME you have a remote Chance to be held hostage , especially if you are from the USA, with that said, the Algerians did what needed to be done as a warning to future hostage taking , No ransom, no deals no time consuming, you will not get what you want besides being blown away.
Good job those Algerians, no ifs or buts about it , YOU DIE!
Algeria is in North Africa, not the Middle East.
I wonder, with the rise in terrorism worldwide, where are these peopole, who don't even have indoor plumbing, obtain the money to buy weapons and ammunition? They live below what we would consider to be poverty level and yet keep the arms dealers gainfully employed. That calls for a sponsor. Eradicate the money trail and go after the sponsor instead of trying to ferret out each and every terrorist. Work from the top down not the bottom up. Mayube start with the weapons supplier and see where the money trail leasds. You don't kill a snake by grabbing its tail - you go after the head.
Oops! These Al Qaida connected groups get their weapons funding from Saudi Arabia. Naturally, because Al Qaida is Saudi Arabia's guerrilla force.
You've really step into it now Chuck! Saudi Arabia is our "friend & ally".
Musician, Al-Queda and the House of Saud are two separate institutions. When FDR established relations with the House of Saud, there was no such thing of an organized institution called Al-Queda. BTW, Al-Queda was founded by a Yemini not a Saudi.
By an ethnic Yemeni. The Bin Laden family had been living in Saudi Arabia for several generations. The Saudis learned the lesson of Viet Nam: You can't beat the U.S. on the battlefield. It's guerrilla warfare or nukes.
The Saudis learned NOTHING of "Viet Nam", they have no Jane Fonda types nor a John Kerry type lying about our US Troops at Senate Hearings (in 1971) ... although do have the Political Correct US Elitist Media that lambasted the Free Viet Nam, then cut & run when Commies occupied Sai Gon. We have members in the US Media Elite that share the Presidents fondness of the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas over a Free Egypt.
Nhan Quyen cho Viet Nam! Human Rights for Vietnam!
Musician666,
http://money.msn.com/investing/11-things-wrong-with-congress
Fundamentalist Islam is determined by Actions NOT Nation of Origin.
Example: Fundamentalist Islamic Osama Bin Laden created his Fundamentalist Islamic Al QuadaInternational Franchises to Overthrow Sunni US Ally Saudi Arabia and Fight the US and US Allies Worldwide. As part of Fundamentalist Islamic Belief is that Islam Is All, All Politics, All Religions, All Laws, All Culture, All History, All Ways of Life, etc. and NOT the limiting Western Term of "Religion"; and the Holy Koran as Law with the 109 Suras of the 114 Suras Calls To All Islamic Believers to War Against the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers. And for any Collaborators to the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers to "Die a Horrible Murdering to Dwell in that Firey Place".
Charles D. Carter, R.A.-1506524,
Good luck with stopping the Money funding the Millions of Holy Warriors of Islam. As stated by the US Department of State, International Intelligence Agencies, International Financial Institutions, International Law Enforcement, etc. as Trillions USDs per year funnelled thru "Non Established Financial Institutions" like the Mosques Worldwide; as the many previous attempts by the above to stop the Trillions USDs of Mandatory Islamic Tithes from going to the Holy Warriors of Islam.
As far as the Entire Situation:
A. It was President Obama's Failed Foreign Policies, as seen by the Ayatollahs of Iran as the US negotiating from a position of US Defeat,
B. that caused the Ayatollahs of Iran to Increase their Overt and Covert Activities Worldwide against the US (Great Satan) and US Allies Worldwide.
C. The Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran had to get the US and US Allies Kicked out of the Islamic Shia Nation of Iraq to: 1. Stop being stuck between the US and US Allies Military Forces (Iraq and Afghanistan)., 2. No possible US and US Allies Military Forces interventions of Iran's Special Forces, Quds, training arming funding millions of Holy Warriors of Islam at the Fundamentalist Islamic Autonomous Kurdistanis Region of Northern Iraq.
And since it has been the Longterm Strategic Goal of the Allies of the Fundamentalist Islamic ShiaRepublic of Iran, the Chinese and Russian Federation to get the US and US Allies out of their Backyards (Resources), the Chinese and Russian Federation get the Iraqis Oil that could have paid for the US And US Allies Military Liberation of Iraq with Decades to Centuries of Iraqis Oil. This Strategic Loss of World Resources made the Libyan Oil of Strategic Importance to the US European Allies; however President Obama was already outsmarted as thousands of Holy Warriors of Islam had already helped the Fundamentalist Islamic Muslim Brotherhood take over US Ally Egypt and were attacking US Ally Libya to get the Libyan Military Munitions Depots at Benghazi.
D. At the same time everything else is going on the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran is placing pressure (will use Iranian Military) on the Pakistanis Government, Afghans, etc. to get the US and US Allies OUT. As during the British Empire Era (British Colonies) the British Knew that the Pakistanis Sea Ports, Bases for Logistics, Khyber Pass, etc. at Pakistan were ESSENTIAL and Mandatory for any "British Adventures" at LANDLOCKED Afghanistan. So without these US Military Logistics Bases at Pakistan, the United Nations Mission Afghanistan can only support 30,000 including International Aid Workers; the Unsupported UN, US and NATO Military Forces must abandon US Ally Afghanistan again to be Massacred by the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban once again; just like after the US abandoned the 1980s US Ally Pro US Afghan Muhajeen to be massacred by the 1990s Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban fully backed by the USSR Backed Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran, then without any opposition they massacred any suspected Collaborators to the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers in accordance with Fundamentalist Islamic Laws. The 1990s Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban then destroyed 20th Century US Ally Afghanistan, destroying anything, "Western", "Modern", "Non Islamic".
So Unsupported without the US Military Logistics Support Bases at Pakistan the UN, US, and NATO Military Forces must leave United Nations Mission Afghanistan by 2014.
E. The Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran, pressured the Afghans to give the Ally of Iran, the Chinese, the Mineral Wealth of Afghanistan. China Metallurgical Group. Immediately afterwards the Chinese place Restrictions on the Shipments of Mineral Resources to the US and US Allies, this makes it so that anything manufactured requiring these Minerals must be Made In China, as the opportunity for the Chinese to adopt (steal) any or all US And US Allies Technology and Innovations and to improve the Chinese Economy.
F. International Intelligence Agencies and US Ally President Gaddaffi report, "Increased Al Quada Activities". US Ally President Gaddaffi reports this thru the US Department of State channels previously established by SOS Condoleezza Rice. President Obama ignores the warnings, just like President Obama ignored the US Ally President Mubarak's warning of "Increased Al Quada Like Activities", ignored the US Ally President Saleh's warning of "Increased Al Quada Activities", etc. (more US Allies Established Government that were later Overthrown). US Ally President Gaddaffi has his Libyan Military start attacking the Holy Warriors of Islam that are at Libya to Kill US Ally President Gaddaffi the Collaborator to the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers, seize the Libyan Military Munitions (weapons, ammunition) Depots at Benghazi to support their future attacks throughout Africa and the "Middle East", release the President Obama Guantanamo Prisoners transfered to US Ally President Gaddaffi's Prisions. President Obama starts the name calling of the US Allies as "Dictators", "Dictators Killing Their Own People" etc. then withdraws all US Support, US Assistance, and US Funding from these US Allies.
G. President Obama as Commander In Chief Illegally Orders* the US Military to attack US Ally Libya to support the "Libyan Rebels" of Al Quada Saudi Arabia (AQ), Al Quada Islamic Maghreb (AQIM), Al Quada Syria (AQS), Al Quada Yemen (AQY), Hezbollah, Al Quada Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), etc. that went to Libya to Murder US Ally President Gaddaffi the Collaborator to the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers; they become Ansar Al Shariah to protect and instate Fundamentalist Islam at Libya.
*Illegally as in against US Law, that Restricts and Limits the President's War Powers, 1973 War Powers Resolution (Act). And no US Law (therefore Illegal) with US Congressional Appropriations (therefore Unfunded) like President Clinton and President Bush had to cover their arses.
Ansar Al Shariah seized the Libyan Military Depots (decades of weapons and ammunition including SA-7 anti aircraft missiles) to attack other African Union (UA) Nations.
The Libyan Islamic Fighting Group were killing US Military at Iraq, they became the Libyan Government as supported and recognized by President Obama.
H. President Obama and Vice President Biden Inflamed the over 1.5 Billion Islamic Believers Worldwide with their, "Osama Bin Laden is Dead, GM is Alive".
At many Islamic Nations the Islamic Believers respond with "Obama, Obama, We Are All Osama". As they believe that the Great Satan (US) has just declared War on Islam. This is worse than the violence of the Pastor Threatening to Burn the Holy Koran; Worse than bragging that you murdered the Pope, while still at Italy; Worse than any cartoons of Mohammad; etc.. As Osama Bin Laden was their Greatest Holy Warrior of Islam Superstar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pJGX1JzyFc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udSEcQbM308
Ansar Al Shariah plans the attacks on the US Consulate (not too far away from them, since they started at Benghazi to overthrow US Ally President Gaddaffi) to coincide with Osama Bin Laden's Greatest Defeat of the Great Satan (US), 9/11.
During the over 7 hour Attack President Obama as Commander In Chief refuses to us any of the US Military Forces of US AFRICOM located less than 2 hours away by slow propellor driven C-130s or US Military Helicopters. The Commander of US AFRICOM, General Ham, volunteers the US Military Forces of US AFRICOM, President Obama opposes and demands that General Ham submit his Letter of Resignation and go on Retirement, just like President Obama did to General McKiernan (Commander ISAF Afghanistan), General McChrystal (Commander ISAF Afghanistan after General McKiernan), etc..
US Citizens at the US Consulate of Benghazi are murders by Ansar Al Shariah. SOS Clinton states, "Funding not the issue", take a guess what the "issue" was (hint: who not what, as Ordered "Low US Presence at Libya" while the US Ambassador and LTC Wood stated since February increased US Military (not Libyan Security).).
Ansar Al Shariah goes to Algeria, Tunisia, then attack Mali.
Presidential Candidate Romulan during the Presidential Debates mentions Mali, President Obama is caught like a "Deer in the Headlights" (blank stare of ignorance, knows nothing).
I. US Military Asymmetric Warfare Forces previously after years of consecutive tours at Afghanistan while on R&R, Leaves, at CONUS and on Training Status are pulled off of R&R and Leaves and sent to US AFRICOM, and arrive long before the FBI. We told those that were creating US AFRICOM to learn Arabic and Islam; and NOT some obscure African Languages. After securing certain things at Libya given to US AFRICOM the US Military Asymmetric Warfare Forces are Ordered deployed back to Afghanistan, instead of going back on R&R, Leaves and Training Status.
J. Summary, President Obama's Ordered Overthrow of US Ally President Gaddaffi destablized the Entire Continent of Africa, as US Ally President Gaddaffi and his Libyan Military were the only one's keeping the Holy Warriors of Islam in check and stuck fighting at Libya, using the money from his sales of Libyan Oil to the US European Allies, and using the lives of the Libyan Citizens of his Libyan Military (part of the deal he made to become a US Ally). The Ally of the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran, the Chinese got the Libyan Oil, not the US European Allies, this makes the other African Nations Resources of Strategic Importance to the US European Allies. Also the Mediterraean Ports of Libya allow the Holy Warriors of Islam closer locations to attack the US European Allies (still considered the "Crusaders" by Islamic Believers). Former US Ally Egypt was Strategic to attack US Ally Libya, also Egypt's Strategic Suez Canal, locations closer to attack US Ally Israel, locations closer to support the Hamas Warlords and Army of Islam Gaza. Former US Ally Iraq was Strategic to gain the Support of the Chinese and Russian Federation (Money for Iraqis Oil, Technology, Weapons, etc. for the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran).
The US and US Allies Losses due to President Obama's Failed Foreign Polices are irreversable and permanent as the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran, Chinese, and Russian Federation are building up their 21st Century Military Forces to secure and protect all their gains from the US And US Allies losses of Strategic Resources Worldwide (required for the current US Standard of Living and the future US Alternative Energy), losses of Strategic Locations Worldwide, and the losses of Vital Strategic US Allies Worldwide.
The Longterm Strategic Goal of the Chinese and Russian Federation has been to get the US and US Allies out of their Backyards (Resources). The Chinese and Russian Federation using the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran as their "Proxy Fighter", the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran using the Holy Warriors of Islam as their "Proxy Fighters" Worldwide.
Of the almost thousand of us that started with the US Military Training Teams to US Ally Iraq during the Iran Iraq Wars, rotated to Operation Cyclone, that were preventing the above from occuring, only a few dozen of have survived. With most of us going back on Retirement again very soon, so these problems created by President Obama that negated all of our decades of work (many of our peers deaths) will all be the problem of Generation X and Generation Y.
You have to look at the big picture here. Algeria is on the border of Mali where the Tuaregian MNLA and French are fighting the Islamic Militants, Ansar al-Dine and Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) in the newly formed country of Azawad. It is important for Algeria not only to keep the Islamist militants from spreading their violence into Algeria but to make an example for other terrorist groups that if they choose to take hostages, they aren't coming out alive. BTW, there were local nationals in that group of 41 hostages, 35 were killed out of the 41 hostages but all 15 terrorists were killed. That isn't something the U.S. would do but keep in mind that Algeria isn't a Western Country and if you check the state department's travel warning list, the warnings were out there to people who work and live in the country. Algeria is no stranger to Militant Islamists kidnapping foreigners. It is unfortunate that those lives were lost but you can't say that they didn't know what they were getting into?
Go TUAREGS! (Psst....If a certain Tuareg lady reads this, I 'like you', too; though probably in a more platonic manner than you were hoping! It's TRUE, you see, Western Guys - Tuareg Women DO like to pick out their own fellas, and they're by no means SHY about it, either! Gotta keep these LOVELY People FREE!)
Using your illogical reasoning anyone living in the inner city who gets robbed deserves it because they live in an area with a high crime rate. Your hatred marks you as a Progressive and an Obama supporter.
Well, they do, they voted for (hired, paid for) those Progressives and Obama Supporters that are taking away Legal Ownership of Self Protection (Individual Firearms Ownership), like current New York City, previous Washington D.C. Anti Firearms Laws (Ruled Unconstitutional by US Supreme Court), previous Chicago, etc.. While the Illegal Alien Gangs as the drug distributors for Mexican Drug Cartels, Russian Mob, Eastern European Organized Crime, etc. all of course Illegally have Firearms. Therefore making all of the unarmed at the US Cities as "easy pickings", as the US Law Enforcement cannot be everywhere, and according to the US Law Enforcement Unions are not paid to Die in the line of Duty, as to why in most cases US Law Enforcement will show up after the violent incident or event (as to why you call the Fire Department and not US Law Enforcement first).
President Obama has his Appointed US Ambassador to the United Nations push for UN Gun Treaty:
Democrats Oppose Obama UN Gun Treaty
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/07/26/democrats-oppose-obama-un-gun-control-treaty
So yes, the President Obama never made public or stated "AGENDA" has been the Removal of US Citizens Constitutional Rights for a very long time already (since 2009).
President Obama's January 21, 2009 Patriot Acts (Plural US Laws). Expanded Presidential Powers. US Military Use of Deadly Force Against US Citizens. Preemptive Detentions of US Citizens. Monitoring and Censorship of All US Communications. Without Warrant Mandatory Cooperation of US Communications Providers. US Military Tribunals renamed by the Obama Administration as US Military Commissions (Legal Defense no access to "classified" witnesses nor "classified" evidence used by Prosecution). (No) Support to Terrorist Organizations (No Legal Representation as "Expert Advise" per 2010 US Supreme Court Ruling, currently being fought by ACLU). Inclusion of the previously defeated as Unconstitutional US Senate S.1959 and US House of Representatives H.R.1955 aka the George Orwell 1984 Thought Crimes Laws, in that the written or witnessed verbal thought is the Felony Crime, not the Act, example: the definition from S.1959 and H.R.1955, "Anyone stating a radical change to (US) Government is a Homegrown Domestic Terrorist".
During a staged news media event, January 22, 2009 President Obama signs into US Laws his Patriot Acts, 04:38 minutes of 11:55 minutes:
Naomi Wolf: 'Obama can lock any US citizen up without trial'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLSeD19m3UE&feature=fvst
President Obama's 2012 NDAA, US Military Indefinite Detentions of US Citizens:
Obama Signs NDAA, ACLU Disgusted
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IeuE16LLDY
Feds' electronic snooping of Americans up sharply, says ACLU
http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/technolog/feds-electronic-snooping-americans-sharply-says-aclu-6170914
President Obama to circumvent US Congress,"The Will of the People", keep clicking "Next", see anything Unconstitutional, TOUGH that is what you Voted you wanted:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions
The same Demoncraptic Party that demands the killing of anyone that disagrees with them:
Union Leader Jimmy Hoffa Junior during President Obama Reelection Campaign Rally, "President Obama, this is your Army. We are ready to march. Let's take these son of b!tches out and give America back to an America where we belong."
If this sounds like the Chancellor Hitler's Brown Shirts and National Socialist German Workers Party (a Political Labor Union) or Mussolini's Blackshirts, it is, as that is what the current US Labor Unions were modelled after.
Don't want to die. Stay out of harm's way. Don't let the quest for the almighty dollar be your down fall.
You are a stupid @!$%#!
Aaaaaaah, I SEE!
Led by the "devout" Muslim CIGARETTE SMUGGLER, EH?!?
Now, lets see.....what does the Holy Qu'ran have to say about TOBACCO?
Apostates.....you're ALL Apostate FOOLS, so-called "Jihadis"!
Muslims can smoke, dude. Probably not during Ramadan, though.
(Smuggling is probably forbidden, i bet)
This is all the more reason to drill for domestic oil and remove the link to OPERC once and for all. Alaska is a big state - the spotted owl will relocate. If they are worried about a pipeline spill, use the railroad to ship the oil. We did this in WW II to avoid Nazi sinking of tanker ships and I am sure that the railroad would welcome the business. domestic jobs would be created and unemployment would be reduced - a win win situation all around. Sooner or later, terrorists will figure out that all free world oil from the midfle east has to ship through 2 straits. Onc e that is choked off we will be into WW III.
Since oil is our most valuable source of lubricants & plastics, why not just stop burning it altogether?
Nah! No Way!
What we need to do, is initiate a "Global Platinum-membrane Hydrogen Fuel Cell Economy", by going back to the Moon IN FORCE - As all the known Platinum on Earth comes from ASTEROIDS that impacted the planet billions of years ago, and - while erosion and plate tectonics have sunk most of those impactors, and any platinum they had in them, first to the bottom of the ocean, and then into the Earths - ALL of the Platinum-rich Asteroid Impactor Material on the Moon is still JUST LYING THERE!
WHY, IT'S EVEN BEEN CONVENIENTLY GROUND UP INTO A POWDER (REGOLITHE COVERS THE MOON MANY METERS DEEP, AND IT'D LOADED WITH VAPORIZED ASTEROIDAL IMPACTOR) - READY TO BE SIFTED, AND LOADED INTO THE SMELTER - FOR US!!!
AND I'M NOT EVEN TALKING THE ALSO PLENTIFUL "KREEP" ORE THAT OCCURS IN MANY PLACES ON THE LUNAR SURFACE - THOUGH "KREEP" STANDS FOR POTASSIUM RARE EARTH ELEMENT PHOSPHATE!!!
Get informed before you post such nonsense. We now produce more oil than we can use and are exporting it. What do you think the pipeline is for. To get the oil to the gulf so we can export it. There is actually a glut of oil in the midwest. They have so much oil being produced they can't get it all shipped out fast enough. And so much natural gas they don't even know what to do with it all.
And what kind of comment is that, " the Spotted Owl can relocate. When an animal lives in a particular area it is because it requireas that specific habitat. Or more than likely thier food source requires that habitat. And didn't they just have a close one up in Alaska already with a drill rig.
It's still our most valuable source of lubricants & plastics. Burning it is short sighted at best.
Musician666!
If you've read enough Sci-Fi, then you've probably read a Sci-Fi tale or two in which 'future generations curse us for our wastefulness', as it 'takes more energy' to 'glue hydrogen and carbon atoms back together, into a usuable lubricant and/or hydrocarbon-based plastic feed-stock', than the amount of energy that has been 'liberated' by burning them!
In other words, burning hydrocarbon polymers (i.e: breaking up their atomic bonds, to release some of the energy that went into forming them) to release their 'stored Energy Potential', when you might need those same hydrocarbon polymers as a "feedstock" at some point in the future, is a proposition that entails a "Net Energy LOSS" in the long run!
I'd love to see the expressions of the faces of the 2nd Amendment fanatics when gun oil hits $50 per drop. Gonna fire that dry?
BREEZE-2050128
Take your own advice. We only produce 60% of what we use. The exports are ALL in the form of refined products that are made from IMPORTED oil. Get it? We import crude oil, refine it into gasoline and a hundred other things and then we export the finished products.
Musician666
I'd like to see the expression on your face when you realize there is such a thing as synthetic oil and that what you've said makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Could you please snap a quick pic and post it?
Musician666;
Spoken like a true mindless lefty. Gun oil has been plant based since WWII. Just a blatant example of how little the left knows about guns and law abiding gun owners. Stick with what you know, hand out boy. I'm not sure what that would be, but I'm sure it involves taking someones liberties.
Way to let the cat out of the bag. I hope none of the bad guys read your comment.
Charles D. Carter, R.A.-1506524,
http://money.msn.com/investing/11-things-wrong-with-congress
You might want to read the President's Own Executive Intelligence Agency, the CIA, CIA World Factbook as the World's Strategic Resources as considered for a long time a "National Security Threat".
Just like here, when we were looking in the thousands of miles of former Mines, Mineshafts, etc. hunting for the Taliban, Al Quada, and Islamic Jihadists and discovered the Mineral Wealth of Afghanistan (you tend to know what kind of rocks you are going to attach your technical mountain climbing gear to while spelunking), the CIA attached their CIA Scientific Teams to us to verify the Minerals and Survey the extent (Quantities).
You honestly believe that all the US Oil used during World War II, recreated itself and was not DEPLETED; the same with the Depleted US Oil since the 1900s "Black Gold Oil Rushes".
Why do you think after the US and US Allies Losses of the Iraqis Oil to the CHinese and Russian Federation due to President Obama's Failed Foreign Policies, the US Oil Corporations spent Billions USDs on Lobbying (Bribing) US Politicians, Advertising and pushing Poisonous Toxic Methane aka Natural Gas and hiring Law Firms pertaining to Toxic Chemical Fracking that is poisoning drinking water. And now they are doing the same to push US Horizontal Drilling to extract whatever is left.
Ask yourself what happens to the ground above when you crack the supporting rocks underground, or remove the supporting hydralic (oil) or gas (methane) pressure.
Background History:
Since before the Liberation of Kuwait. Many Nations were buying Iraqis Oil and then selling the Iraqis Oil as their own to the US and US Allies for huge profits as "Oil Laundrying", as done by Mexico, Canada, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, etc.. Many Scientists during the UN, US, US Allies of Embargoes and Iraqis Oil For Food Program of Iraqis Oil were demanding cheap chemical tagging of Iraqis Oil, of course this was not done due to opposition from bribed US Politicians.
The Kuwaitis were going one step further (too far) as an Act of War against Iraq, by "Slant" (Diagonal) Drilling from Kuwait into the Iraqis Oil Fields. So the Kuwaitis were taking the Iraqis Oil, then selling the Food of the Iraqis Oil for Food Program to the Kuwaitis and other Nations, resulting in the Iraqis Citizens starving. So the Iraqis Citizens demanded that their President and Commander In Chief stop the Kuwaitis Slant Drilling, so President Hussein ordered his Iraqis Military to invade Kuwait. So as the Iraqis Military was coming into Kuwait we exfiltrated into US Ally Saudi Arabia.
After the losses of the Iraqis Oil to the Chinese and Russian Federation due to President Obama's Failed Foreign Policies, Mexico started Deep High Risk Oil Exploration (like the BP Oil Spill Disaster), Canada started enviromental disaster strip mining of tons of oil shale and oil sand for the expensive process of extracting barrels of oil, Saudi Arabia started Deep Sand Desert Oil Explorations, President Obama authorized North Atlantic (high risk North Atlantic Weather and Storms) Oil Explorations (until the BP Disaster), South American Nations started Deep Water Oil Explorations. And of course to milk the depleted former US Oil wells the US Oil Corporations started spending Billions USDs pushing Methane aka Natural Gas.
Do you want to discuss the Minerals (Resources) required for the Future US Alternative Energy as also lost to the Chinese due to President Obama's Failed Foreign Policies. With the result of the Chinese placing Restrictions on the shipment of Minerals (Resources) to the US And US Allies, with the result of US Alternative Energy Manufacturers failing (no materials to make Alternative Energy products), as a win, win, win, win for the Chinese, as in order for these Alternative Energy for the US, they must be Made In China, as the opportunity for the Chinese to "adopt" (steal) US And US Allies Technology and Innovations; increase the Chinese Economy; employ a greater number of Chinese Citizens; etc..
Where does the money come from? Great question, easily answered. Zakat, or as we know it in American Religion, tithing. Christians do it too, the only difference is that in America, Christians use it to propagate bigotry and to oppress minorities. In the Militant Islamist groups, they use it to train, equip and deploy soldiers in operations for Allah. Just like Christians in America, even they don't truly understand their own religion. Most of them don't even understand Arabic, which is required to read the Q'uran so they trust the authority of their Imam.
Most Blacks and the majority of Hispanics are either Protestant or Catholic so the only bigot I see is you. The idea Christianity is anything like the Iranians brand of Islam brands you as an uneducated bigot.
Al,
Al Qaida money comes from Saudi Arabia, our "friend & ally". Naturally, since Al Qaida is Saudi Arabia's guerrilla force, like Hezbollah is Iran's.
With friends like these, we're eyeball deep in enemies.
Al.....skibum609 has hit his head while doing stuff in the half-pipe one too many times, me thinks; you're no Bigot, you're just being very, very REAL (And, correct, as well - How DARE YOU!).....But then, I get the same kind of, "You're being a Racist and/or Bigot," stuff from - uuuh - "non-white people", all the time; which is even though I've been AT WAR with the Ku Klux Klan and National Alliance (Which is the VERY REAL, VERY DANGEROUS, 'American Branch' of "Le Front Nationale", BTW!!!) for over 30 years! That's because, seeing myself as a "friend of the oppressed and downtrodden ", I often feel free to DARE to SAY THINGS that others - who're being REVERSE Racist's, themselves! - CHOOSE to FIND OFFENSIVE!
In that spirit......MUSICIAN666!!!
Most Saudi Arabian Hashimites (The Royal Clan of Saudi Arabia and Jordan) would not SURVIVE a 'take-over' by Al Qaeda, any better than the Sufi Muftis and Imans or their Shrines in Timbuktu have!!!
The REAL "Traditional School" of Sufism teaches that ALL Religions have a "nugget of Truth" somewhere within them, and that "devout people" will "seek out those nuggets of truth, and make ALL of them a part of their own personal beliefs, and then act according to them, in an effort to PLEASE GOD."
Hint: The Majority of Sunni Muslims are 'Sufi-leaning' in their Philosophies, and therefore their Intentions....which is WHY we MUST NEVER EMBRACE THE HATE THAT THE 'FAKERS' ARE TRYING TO RILE UP INSIDE OF US, AS - JUST LIKE AL SAYS - THEY'RE NO MORE 'MUSLIMS', THAN THE 'MORAL MAJORITY' WERE 'CHRISTIANS'!!!
Of course, AL can not come up with one person who state they tithe to "propagate bigotry and to oppress minorities". Must have a grudge against the grace and salvation of Christianity.
Al & Musician
I'd like to see either of you post some sources to back your claims because frankly, it sounds like you're both talking out your asses.
I am very sorry about the hostages, however if you put yourself in a dangerous situation for money then you have to expect that this could happen. I am very disturbed that not all the terrorists were not eliminated. I believe that in order to eliminate these vermon, they need t o realize that they will meet their God. I also believe in capital punishment so if there is a death they caused by their actions they should be eliminated.
Some of them do realize that they will meet their God. They're called suicide bombers. Capital punishment will not deter them.
So let me get this straight, the only people in the world that can have Assault weapons is this douche bag.
So, Mr President. The terrorist's are on the run? They sure are. Over running the entire middle east. They got us right where they want us. Broke and unable to afford to react. Were NOT winning the war on terror.
Again, Algeria is not in the Middle East, it's in North Africa.
These guys are everywhere. Including here in the U.S. Show me a place where they are not present. Oh, I know, the Moon.
Hey 54. Were not, does that mean now we are?
Not much had changed since the days of Sahaladin and the Cruzades!
Nor since 1804 when Muslims in this area first murdered Americans.
Dozens of hostages died in Algeria: the body count rises to 43.
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