Sahara hostage death toll will rise, Algeria warns

After the death of Western workers in an attack on a gas plant in the Sahara, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta vows to hunt down the militants responsible. NBC News' Annabel Roberts reports.

The death toll in the bloody Algeria hostage siege is likely to rise, Algeria warned on Sunday as governments struggled to confirm reports 23 Western workers – including some Americans - had been killed.

A day after the desert crisis was ended by Algerian troops, 25 bodies were discovered inside the gas pumping facility that was stormed by Islamist militants on Wednesday, according to reports cited by Reuters and the Associated Press.

Confusion still surrounds the deadly incident, which has renewed global fears about the likelihood of terror attacks and the safety of Westerners around the world.


It has also left other governments, including Britain, with a frustrating wait for further information out of the west African country.

Algeria’s government said Saturday that 23 hostages and 32 militants were killed during ‘rescue’ assaults launched by its own forces, with 107 foreign hostages and 685 Algerian hostages freed.

However, Minister of Communication Mohamed Said this would rise when final numbers were issued in the coming hours, Reuters reported.

"I am afraid unfortunately to say that the death toll will go up," Said was quoted as saying by the official APS news agency.

The U.S. government confirmed Friday that one of the dead hostages was Frederick Buttaccio from Texas.

The exact number of other Americans involved, and their fate, remains unclear.

President Barack Obama said on Saturday the United States was seeking from Algerian authorities a fuller understanding of what took place, but said "the blame for this tragedy rests with the terrorists who carried it out."

Britain on Sunday confirmed that three of its citizens and one British resident had been killed in the Algerian military operation.

Prime Minister David Cameron echoed Obama’s sentiments, saying responsibility for the deaths “lies squarely with the terrorists who launched the attack,” regardless of questions about the Algerian government's response.

The hostage-taking illustrated the global threat of terrorism which “requires a global response,” Cameron said Sunday.

One Briton had already was confirmed killed when the gunmen seized the hostages before dawn on Wednesday at the plant, run by Norway's Statoil along with Britain's BP and Algeria's state oil company.

The AP reported that "numerous" bodies were found at the pumping facility by Algerian de-mining squads searching for explosives, according to an Algerian government spokesman.

Statoil said five of its workers, all Norwegian nationals, were still missing. Japanese workers are also unaccounted for, Reuters said.

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To control global Islamic terrorism, immediate substitutes for gas and oil need to be found!

We have gone to moon, but oil and gas substitutes have become Sun!

"Algeria warned on Sunday as governments struggled to confirm reports 23 Western workers – including some Americans - had been killed."

Are these hostages not innocents? Those who complain about drone attacks need to answer this question.

"The hostage-taking illustrated the global threat of terrorism which "requires a global response," Cameron said Sunday."

What is David Cameron talking?

The same Blairs, Camerons, Sazorsky's, Bushes saved the fountainheads of Islamic terrorism like the Sunni rulers of House of Saud, Kuwait, UAE and others from Saddam with Iraqi wars.

Were they thinking "globally" or just counting profits by oil price manipulations?

Camerons, Hollandes, Merkels can't even permit Shiites and Sunnis to battle on whose Allah is greater in Syria.

Oil rich Sunni rulers of Saudi Arabia, Qatar and other Sunni Arab League nations and their puppets like Turkey, oil companies and lobbyists have started their seventh century ME desert dances just like before Iraqi wars.

Immediately, Camerons and co start their desert dances.

Pakis have nukes.

But Iranian nukes are more dangerous. So sanctions on Iranian oil to manipulate oil price higher and higher from $40 in 2009 to more than $110 now.

Again Camerons, Hollandes, Merkels are counting profits by oil prices manipulating and making oil rich Sunni rulers of House of Saud, Qatar, Kuwait, UAE and others richer.

Now we need their Salaffi and Wahhabi mosques in each street in the US, Britain, France and other non-Muslim nations!!!!! They came up in most town from no where!

What a hypocrisy and double standards! These people never learn!!!

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#1 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:12 AM EST

Oil or no oil .

This groups main source of revenue was from different kinds of hostage and property seizures .

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#1.1 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:52 AM EST

Jonathan-1982062

To control global Islamic terrorism, immediate substitutes for gas and oil need to be found!

You've got the easy part done .... talking about it. Make it happen, and you'll have Bill Gates washing your limo.

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#1.2 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:25 AM EST

denver bill 2: In early 1920s, many tried in Detroit, Michigan. Auto companies and oil companies bankrupted them! Their lobby is very strong even now.

Of course, Bill Gates introduced many in IT and corporate governance.

Only likes of Bill Gates or Steve Jobs can do on oil and gas substitutes too and break the monopolies' stranglehold.

    #1.3 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:47 AM EST
    reedewdsDeleted

    I totally agree we need to ditch the oil dependency, but you also need to realize what comes with that. Almost all the Islamic countries depend on oil revenue to maintain control regardless of what type of government they have. What happens when oil goes from $100 a barrel to $5 a barrel? If you think you saw unrest during the Arab Spring stuff, just wait. Hundreds of millions of Arabs are suddenly going to be looking for a new source of revenue, and when your entire society still lives 800 years in the past, they sure aren't going to start making microchips for income. Nope, the main export will be weapons.

    Just want you to be aware that even with some miracle new energy source, things will get real ugly.

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    #1.5 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:10 AM EST

    Chris from Yucaipa: Even weapons will have to be manufactured by us and sold to them.

    Most of the technologies they use are stolen ones. Pakis are classical examples.

    Iranian bark too much. But I have got doubts about their weapons and their abilities.

    If we don't go near ME nations and as far as possible put a "ring around them" they will be fighting each other and will be in their killing business.

    Oil and gas companies lobbying is so strong that they will invent wars from no where!

    Auto companies have to spend billions on retooling.

    Instead of that they are in the business of minor "tuning" and selling their cars as with many new inventions.

      #1.6 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:23 AM EST

      Not one more inch of land to the crazed zombie mass murdering Muslim terrorists.Not in Africa,Asia,the mid east or anywhere.It´s impossible to negotiate with them. They must be put in prison or killed.In the U.S the Muslim Brotherhood must be outlawed as they are a terrorist group.Algeria is a Muslim country but they are doing the right thing by declaring war on the fundamentalist terrorists.So is Morocco,Jordan,and many others.Countries like Iran are terrorist nations.They must be defeated .Like Nazi Germany their finatic racist and kill the infidel mentality is a huge threat to the world. Terrorists eveeywhere must be challenged,confronted.infiltrated imprisoned or killed.Keep up he good work.Algeria,France and many more places!!

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      #1.7 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:35 AM EST

      bart martin: 200 percent with you!

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      #1.8 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:55 AM EST
      Comment author avatarnorm-791890Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

      obama shut the fuuuuck up ....until you fix the chit here ...u 1 of the biggest liars that walk on earth...

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      #1.9 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:10 PM EST

      Did you stay up all night to think up that bit of ignorant, vulagrity ? People like you should be required to take an IQ test before posting.

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      #1.10 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:34 PM EST
      Comment author avatarnorm-791890Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

      shut up fyuck lip

        #1.11 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:54 PM EST

        Good for Algeria! They stand by what they say: Do not negotiate with terrorists! I am sorry for those who lost their lives, and their families, but the right thing was done! Now, France is fighting, just about alone, in Mali, and doing the right thing. In my opinion, do not take prisoners when you fight these extremists, who would kill you without a second thought! The more martyrs on their side, the better, I'd say! Oh, and norm, what in the world does President Obama have to do with this all? Or are you just one of those closet homosexuals, who are secretly in love with the President...

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        #1.12 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:14 PM EST
        Comment author avatarnorm-791890Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

        go read it dumb assss faggggit

          #1.13 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:02 PM EST

          I think the only way to deal with these muslims is the same way Israel deals with their terrorist problem. RETALIATION! Its time to show them what they are doing. Everytime they take 1 hostage, we need to toss a grenade into a mosque and kill 100. Everytime they take 10 hostages we need to level a whole village. these hostages were killed immediately after they were taken. Their intentions were to kill the westerners and ransom the rest, no way to convince me otherwise. They hate us and have declared a holy war on us so lets give them what they have declared!

          Say what you will about "innocent muslims", the Innocent ones ALL shelter the violent ones! NEVER, NEVER, NEVER have you ever heard of a "nonviolent muslim" reporting on a "violent" one. Doesnt happen, wont happen EVER! So lets treat them all the same!

          I try very hard to not hate on any group, but they seem to take advantage of that effort. They take advantage of our efforts to "not become one of them". I think we should restart the crusades and burn them all alive at the stake. NO MERCY! We will grant you mercy and understanding when you start practicing the mercy, understanding and tollerrance you say your religion teaches. They live for murder, They will not stop until the whole world is muslim, and then they will kill whole ethnic branches of muslims as they do in muslim countries.

          They say they will continue killing until there is a global law against blastphmey against alah. I say we should make a global law against this most violent of religions and start killing anyone we see in muslim garb or mosques and just consider it self defense! Eliminate them all,this is the only way to end the terrorism!

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          #1.14 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:39 PM EST

          norm, I have run into some really unintelligent people on the vine before but after reading your comments, you own that honor all by yourself. Congratulations! You win!

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          #1.15 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:20 PM EST

          the lack of reporting by msnbc is a disgrace. the understatement of the day is that 55 total, however AP has been reporting since last night that 81 and climbing is the real number !

          when the Algerians said they wont deal with terrorists is an understatement. terrorists beware taking hostages mean nothing, we will kill ALL including the hostages !

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          #1.16 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:48 PM EST

          @#1.7

          Not one more inch of land is allowed to be stolen from the Palestinians. Not in Gaza, West bank or anywhere in the middle east. It´s impossible to negotiate with zionist despots. They must be put in prison or put down. In the U.S the AIPAC must be outlawed as they only serve the interest of israel and not US. Iran is doing the right thing by standing up to the warmongering posture of israel. Israeli zionists are modern date Nazsi with their finatic racist and kill the arab mentality is a huge threat to the world.

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          #1.17 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:49 PM EST

          Were you appointed the great dorf by the her hitler??

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          #1.18 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:52 PM EST

          Emailed Sally about Norm, hopefully he won't be with us long.

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          #1.19 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:39 PM EST

          Does anyone question why the Americans could not send immediate support to this situation or in Benghazi.

          in December Obama ordered the the Iwo Jima Amphibious Ready Group and US Eisenhower strike group to withdraw from the area near Syria.

          So when the French military intervened in Mali and Al Qaeda attacked in Algeria the US did not have a single carrier, or marine group in the area, to help to rescue Westerners.

          The USS John Stennis is the only vessel left in the Middle East but is is occupied at the Strait of Hormuz to secure the flow of Gulf oil to the West.

          Meanwhile, the POTUS writes poetry.

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          #1.20 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:24 PM EST

          JJ: Hope those who take IQ tests have some IQ and a little bit of morality and honesty.

          Instead, they may take money or some stocks from oil/gas/auto companies declare that one has no IQ.

            #1.21 - Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:42 AM EST

            Lar, you'd better glance at a map.

            The 1500 mile plus distance from the Syrian coast of the extreme eastern Mediterranean to southern Algeria would rule out probably any carrier-based aircraft intervening. Troop carrying aircraft? No chance, even if we had permission from the Algerian government to stick our nose in and could have intervened effectively--both very big "ifs".

            Those choosing to work in remote regions, in unstable areas of the world presumably know the risks.

            It is one of history's great ironies that Algeria should have a terrorist problem. The country was born in terrorism, practiced against French civilians by left-wing rebels just as bloodthirsty as today's al-Qaeda.

              #1.22 - Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:05 AM EST

              go read it dumb assss faggggit

              norm-791890, you are suspended for a week for violating rule # 1 and # 5 of the Code of Honor.

              Above all else, respect others. Address issues and arguments and refrain from making personal attacks.

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              #1.23 - Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:14 PM EST
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              "To control global Islamic terrorism, immediate substitutes for gas and oil need to be found!"

              Pull your head out of the sand you idiot!

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              Reply#2 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:17 AM EST

              Pesimist: Stop lobbying for oil companies and co!

              One who considers others as idiot is the biggest idiot! And put your head into oil/gas pit!

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              #2.1 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:19 AM EST

              Jonathan, I suggest you learn the correct use and spelling of the English language, instead of the Pidgin English variant you so lamely use in your posts.

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              #2.2 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:33 AM EST

              Mymomdidnotraiseafool: Don't worry, English editors did good jobs on my popular books (if I give details, you will write more nonsense).

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              #2.3 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:43 AM EST
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              Reply#3 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:20 AM EST

              Your not safe most anywhere in the World. Until the people of the World rid themselves of hatred, bigotry, despicable acts or just because they can kill someone because they want to it will never be safe. The only one that is going to look out for you is yourself. The government here can not longer protect Americans around the World or for that matter at home either. Only YOU can make the World a better place to live in.

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              Reply#4 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:44 AM EST

              All the hostages and many others are now deceased:

              http://drudgereport.com/

              My condolences to the hostages families and friends.

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              Reply#5 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:46 AM EST

              A new Page has opened for those working overseas, you can now be sure your Country won't come to your aid if you are taken hostage.

              The Algerian Government does not negotiate with kidnappers, nor do they negotiate with hostages.

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              Reply#6 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:00 AM EST

              Although the loss of life is immensely tragic , I have to commend the Algerian Forces for their non negotiating swift response against the terrorists .

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              Reply#7 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:00 AM EST

              I agree. And this incident also serves as an answer to the "truthers" and gun nuts who wanted to know why Obama's daughters were protected but he opposed turning our schools into prison camps. The terrorists at one point demanded the release of the blind sheik held inan American prison for the release of two Americans. Fair to say we don't want the First Family taken hostage.

                #7.1 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:19 AM EST

                Needle, you are a thousand percent right.

                Algeria has taught a hard lesson to all terrorists: you can take a thousand hostages and they will be of no value. If you stage an attack on our soil, all you will get for your efforts will be a bullet.

                Unlike other countries' position--sad but resigned--Japan is indignant about the Algerian government's response. They regard Japanese lives as worth more than other people's but that goes without saying.

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                #7.2 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:38 AM EST

                We will probably never really understand exactly what happened, but it was pretty clear the Algerians were not about to negotiate. Of course where the terrorists messed up was in releasing the Algerian hostages and they were actually trying to negotiate with Western countries. The Algerians were not going to grant them what they wanted anyway.

                The trouble with a situation like this is the difficulty involved with trying to save the hostages while killing the terrorists. Logistically, it was not going to be easy. I am sure that the intentions of the special forces involved were to take out anybody with a weapon who they perceived as part of the terrorists. Their goal was more about killing the terrorists than saving hostages. That is not to say that US Special Forces could have done a lot better. We tend to see them as being more surgical in their operations and maybe that is true, partly from having more sophisticated technologies. I will be anxious to hear the details of the assault, although I don't think we will get an official report, more than likely just rumored reports from the guys in the field of special operations with some inside connections.

                  #7.3 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:32 PM EST

                  These remote facilities will be much more heavily guarded from now on.

                  The locals working there will also have to be carefully screened. Dollars to dinars the terrorists had confederates inside the plant. No radio transmitters may be taken inside and no unauthorized personnel on the perimeter at night.

                    #7.4 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:43 PM EST
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                    I agree with David Cameron, a global response is needed. America, Britain, and other Western nations need to stop attempting to impose their wills on people that don't want these governments and militaries there. All this interference does is create more terrorists and terrible situations like this. The muslim extremists don't attack Western because they dislike democracy, freedom, or whatever nonsense our governments tell us. They dislike the military presence, killing of civilians, and government interference.

                    A military response by America or Britain will just add fuel to the fire and create more terrorism. Because at the end of the day both sides are terrorists.

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                    Reply#8 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:05 AM EST

                    Superskunk, you are living up to your name. But since you are throwing the "t-word" around, I will tell you how Lenin defined it..."The purpose of terrorism is to terrorize," not to win a military victory, as America and Britain do. And at the end of the day you are, at best, a terrorist apologist.

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                    #8.1 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:09 AM EST

                    First of all Cassandra, insults are like religion, the last resort of an individual with no answers and no arguments. The definition of terrorism is this, "The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims." If you don't know that is what our government has been doing in the Middle East since as far back as the 50's, you don't know much about history. Colonialism and imperialism are two other nouns/isms that describe our governments actions.

                    We can even ignore those truths for a moment and focus on your claims of our government and Britains government attempting to "win a military victory". How's that working for them ?

                    To achieve "victory", one would need to get to the root cause of the muslim extremists reasoning for their terroristic acts. We are lied to by our government and media that it's because of our way of life, democracy, freedom, liberty and the like, which is just not true. The reason these muslim extremists hate America and want to do harm to Americans and American interests is due to our governments foreign policy and our military presence and occupation of their homelands.

                    Would you want to fight back if say China had thousands of troops and hundreds of military bases throughout the United States ? If some of their military actions wound up killing innocent civilians, a large number of which are children ? Or if China had their intelligence agency come here to create civil war and unrest, to displace democracy and assist in placing a dictator/military junta in power ? That's what our government has done globally for quite some time now.

                    If you don't believe me read what some of the great historians of our time have to say on the matter, like Chalmers Johnson and Howard Zinn. Better yet, read the 9/11 Commission Report, even they admit that a major cause of these muslim terroristic acts stem from our global military presence and foreign policy.

                    The truth is a tough pill to swallow, especially when we're conditioned at an early age to believe and support the lies we're told. The fact is that just because one side is bad, doesn't make the other side automatically good.

                    My main point is, you can't stop something, or solve a problem, unless you know the root cause of the problem. That is something our government NEVER addresses outright.

                    "Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it." - Mark Twain

                      #8.2 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:09 PM EST
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                      Does anybody see the elephant in the room here? The main threat to global peace is religious extremism. If Islam were to drive out all the westerners from their quote "lands" and create a new Islamic Empire, do you honestly believe they would stop there? How long do you think that it would take for them to try to reclaim lands that they once held in Europe like southern Spain and the Balkans? Religious extremists see the entire globe as being under one religion, theirs. So it's not oil and gas, it's ideology.

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                      Reply#9 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:18 AM EST

                      To fight Islamic extremism, one has to cut sources of funding as much as possible. Economic boycott is one of the easiest steps.

                      Oil and gas and price manipulations have made the Sunni camel riding rulers rich and oil rich Sunni rulers and their ME sheiks invent, promote, fund and export Islamic extremism.

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                      #9.1 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:24 AM EST

                      Please cite evidence to prove your wild claims of islam wanting to take over the world.

                      I can think of at least 50 examples off the top of my head where governments like the United States and Britains have attempted to take control of lands they didn't have any right to or belong in the last 100 years alone.

                      Look at the Crusades, was it the middle easterners (because it wasn't just muslims, there were christians and jews living in those lands as well) invading Rome or England to drive out the catholics ? Or was it the catholics invading the Middle East ?

                        #9.2 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:18 PM EST

                        The Crusades ended 700 years ago, what do they have to do with anything?

                          #9.3 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:52 PM EST

                          My point was there's tons of evidence of christians/Westerners invading muslim lands for quite some time. As far back as the Crusades and as recently as Iraq/Afghanistan. But there's no evidence to back celticghost's wild and nonsensical claims.

                            #9.4 - Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:55 PM EST
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                            Even if the 1st post is rite.... or the one who said "We still need a swift response to terrorism"... boils down to one thing. We still gotta fight.
                            "Evil triumphs when Good men do nothing" - Edmund Burke

                            "Be no overcome with evil but overcome evil with Good."- Jesus

                            "Fighting a senseless battle is infinitely better than standing by watching others die senselessly." -Flame

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                            Reply#10 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:28 AM EST

                            Battle for right causes and right people (not backstabbers like oil rich Sunni rulers and Pakis)!

                            Also fight battles to win and not to withdraw/run.

                            Above all, know about the history of a place and religion very well before getting into wars.

                            One at a time is better than fight them all (Afghanistan and Iraq at the same time!)

                              #10.1 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:32 AM EST
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                              I have to agree with the way the Algerians responded to this. If the governments of the hostages had gotten involved, it wouldn't have been resolved for another 6 months ( I'm sure everyone of those govts. would have wanted to form exploratory committees and put the rescue to a vote). My condolences to the families of the hostages.

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                              Reply#11 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:29 AM EST

                              Apparently, Algeria's Camel Team-6 goes right by name taking to ass kicking setting negotiations aside. Too much time talking leads to abductors planning too much. A bloody, but quick end to this.

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                              Reply#12 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:30 AM EST

                              god damn.. why don't you just write a freakin book..and ur making NO SENSE.

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                              Reply#13 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:41 AM EST

                              Start burying these clowns in pig carcasses!!! I promise that will slow it down. No mothers trying to glorify their "martyrs"

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                              Reply#14 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:43 AM EST

                              you people. get ur freakin heads out of your A**s .Countries like Algeria,and others

                              DO NOT take their orders freom London,paris or D.C. they don't care what YOU think

                              do or say..they can do what they want in THEIR FREAKIN Country.

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                              Reply#15 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:48 AM EST

                              Many solutions are available to us. Many of them incredibly simple. Effective Problem solving requires that all or most of us participate in the solution and we look at all viable solutions and start implementing them right away. Oftentimes the low-cost no cost solutions are the best place to start.

                              Here's two real easy and free solutions:

                              Drive less

                              Park the gas hogs.

                              By implementing these two simple solutions we reduce funds to the terrorists and their supporters and we magically reduce many other problems like air pollution, congestion, traffic accidents etc.

                              Unfortunately our society has lost the self-accountability part of the equation and expect science, technology and drilling to be the cure all.

                                Reply#16 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:49 AM EST

                                But countries like China and others CAN NOT GET Enough of that stuff.

                                you solution can only come from a shallow douchbag. oy vay

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                                #16.1 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:03 AM EST

                                Per capita we consume much more of just about everything than the Chinese ever thought of. My solution is one of self-responsibily and accountability. A very unpopular concept these days justified with comments such as yours which unfortuantely are based on ignorance. Just as unfortuane our society is full of ignorance, greed and selfishness.

                                  #16.2 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:30 PM EST
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                                  reedewdsDeleted

                                  The Oil elite set out to control oil in the world and the terror world over began when the elite was denied the pipe line first in Kuwait. 9/11 happened out of spite to blame the Arabs for defending their oil, otherwise millions would be alive today, and there would not be hostages anywhere.

                                    Reply#18 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:09 AM EST

                                    Celtic ghost is correct. Islam seeks world domination by conversion, conquest, or killing. In the long run, they will accomplish their goal by overpopulation. They don't practice birth control, and are already settling in Europe and N. America where their numbers will increase far faster than any other groups. Give them 500 years, and the world will be theirs. Except for China, the only country I afraid to confront overpopulation or a subversive invasion.

                                      Reply#19 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:14 AM EST

                                      Sweet, I'm glad this didn't drag on for weeks/months Quit crying about the hostages. It's been blood oil for years. The people working in this area and those like it are not clueless. At least THEY know that, "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen." They are well compensated for the risk they take.

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                                      Reply#20 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:19 AM EST

                                      Obviously al Qaeda jihadists have free reign over much of northern and central Africa.

                                      The various governments in this area either don't have the resources or the political will to protect their borders. So al Qaeda just roams around and picks targets.

                                      al Qaeda seems to have an endless supply of weapons, munitions, ordnance, and equipment with which to carry out their terrorist missions. They continually recruit personnel very well. They're leaders are very smart in the realm of terrorist strategy and tactics.

                                      Yet Westerners continually place themselves into areas where they are vulnerable to attack. I don't get it. There's no amount of easy defense contractor money which I would trade for my life.

                                        Reply#21 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:46 AM EST

                                        Yes, westerners do place themselves where they are vulnerable to attack. Like, the east coast. The problem is we dont get the fact that the Koran dictates to their interpretation that anyone who is non-muslim and therefore an infidel shall have Jihad waged against them until they are no longer within their lands. We couldn't kick a single one out of the east coast or anywhere else here. If we were wise enough to just leave and let them get back to killing each other and imploding, we'd be truly wise.

                                          #21.1 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:58 AM EST

                                          This is why they get killed....these idiots vote for Obama and then think you can just anywhere in the world because the administration say's so....i love seeing them get whacked...less democratic voters.

                                            #21.2 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:29 PM EST

                                            Oka, now that you have come up witht the PERFECT explanation of why the Americans were there..because of Obama, why were the British, Irish and Japanese there?

                                              #21.3 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:18 PM EST
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                                              I suppose some with say this is all Susan Rice's fault?

                                                Reply#22 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:48 AM EST

                                                “We shall squeeze you empty, and then we shall fill you with ourselves.”

                                                George Orwell 1984.

                                                ECT(electro-convulsive therapy) administered by psychiatrists with the Page-Russell device was used as a treatment for schizophrenia. It was also part of secret classified CIA project under the direction of Dr. Ewen Cameron, a Canadian citizen and member of the American Psychiatric Association. He advocated ECT as a therapy to depattern individual personalities and create a “tabula rasa”, blank slate on which to build a new person. ECT causes memory loss, bodily function loss and confusion about self. MKULTRA, the CIA program also used LSD, Phenobarbital, PCP and numerous other chemicals on involuntary subjects. These methods along with waterboarding, hooding and sensory deprivation are part of the Bush administrations interrogation practices and are included in the CIA manual for interrogators. These are the harbingers of the Shock and Awe doctrine used by the US military and the multiglobal free market neo-con vampires. I will elucidate on this using Naomi Klein’s must read book, “ The Shock Doctrine: the Rise of Disaster Capitalism”.

                                                Milton Friedman, the free market guru of the Chicago School of Economics, was the antithesis of Keynesian economists who advocated a regulated socially responsible economy. Friedman dreamed of depatterning societies, returning them to a pristine capitalism, cleansed of all elements of government regulations, trade barriers and worker rights. Friedman believed the only way to reach this state was by deliberately inflicting painful shocks as a “bitter medicine” to erase socially conscious economies. His device for doing this was policy implemented by politicians and corporate sponsors who bought and paid their way into public office. He was close to the Nixon administration and the young turks , Cheney and Rumsfeld. They decided to experiment on a subject chosen because of his potential to succeed as a populist socialist. This subject was Salvador Allende and the people of Chile.

                                                On September 11, 1973, the Chilean military under the command of Gen. Augusto Pinochet launched an assault on its own people. Tanks and soldiers hit the streets of Santiago, the president was killed and his cabinet arrested. Suspected subversives were rounded up into stadiums and tortured and killed, 3200 people disappeared, 80,000 imprisoned and 200,000 fled the country. Before the people could recover or remember a plan was written for the complete privatization of Chile’s public sector. The plan was drawn up by the ‘Chicago Boys”, Friedman’s students and followers who now occupied government office. It has resulted in a tremendous shift of wealth from the people as a whole to the top 10%, the corporate vampires and their families. It offered a glimpse of the future of a global economy. It is one in which a bubble of frenetic speculation and dubious accounting(ENRON) fuels super profits and addictive consumerism, ringed by flimsy factories and rotting infrastructure with a huge transfer of wealth from public to private hands followed by a huge transfer of private debt into public coffers.

                                                This Shock and Awe doctrine is being used by the US military to completely remake Iraq. We destroyed the village so we could save it – for whom. Hurricane Katrina was used by the Bush administration to destroy the public schools, decertify the unions and privatize education with vouchers and charter magnet schools.

                                                The United States military has been privatized by becoming a volunteer force and is no longer composed of citizen soldiers. It is also rapidly becoming filled with Christian fascist officers who pray before going out to kill human beings. I and many other Viet Nam veterans question the loyalty of this professional army to “protect and defend the US constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic”. I fear the day is coming when we will face our brothers-in arms across a field of battle and realize that we have met the enemy – and he is us.

                                                Dave ionno

                                                Veteran for Peace

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                                                Reply#23 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:57 AM EST

                                                I think it is great that these morons are now pissing off many more nations by taking people randomly as hostage. Japanese, Norwegeans, etc.

                                                Maybe a few more countries will join the fight.

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                                                Reply#24 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:21 PM EST

                                                looks like the Drone plants will be putting on a Night shift...

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                                                Reply#25 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:22 PM EST

                                                No Government is going to negotiate with terrorist to save the lives of hostages, nor should they. If you don't know that part of the world is unsafe for westerners especially Americans you are an IDIOT. You want to go over there to work for the big tax free money, you do so at your own risk. I have friends that work over there and they know the risk. Personally I think we should pull every American out and nuke the place, and chemically sterilize every Muslim in America or lock them up for life. Not one Muslim can be trusted, they have been taught from a very early age to hate Americans and now we invite them over here, what a mistake. There should be a bounty on them just like coyotes. Until we stand up and take action expect more of 9/11.

                                                  Reply#26 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:40 PM EST

                                                  Ironically, ignorance, unrest in a country rich with resources IS the clarion call to Western consultants who will always choose to go work in them. Trying to stabilize these countries would almost be bad for business...if you get my drift.

                                                    #26.1 - Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:26 PM EST
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