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South Korean soldiers patrol along a fence in Paju near the Demilitarized Zone dividing the two Koreas Friday.
SEOUL — North Korea threatened Friday to attack rival South Korea if Seoul joined a new round of tightened U.N. sanctions, saying it would regard this as "a declaration of war."
The reclusive North has this week declared a boycott of all dialogue aimed at ending its nuclear program and vowed to conduct more rocket and nuclear tests after the U.N. Security Council censured it for a December long-range missile launch.
On Thursday, Washington unveiled more of its own economic restrictions following Pyongyang's rocket launch last month.
Friday brought a third straight day of fiery rhetoric from the isolated communist state, this time directed against South Korea.
"'Sanctions' mean a war and a declaration of war against us," the North said.
"If the puppet group of traitors takes a direct part in the U.N. 'sanctions,' the DPRK [North Korea] will take strong physical counter-measures against it," the North's Committee for the Peaceful Reunification of Korea said, referring to the South.
The committee is the North's front for dealings with the South. DPRK is short for the North's official name, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.
The U.N. Security Council unanimously condemned North Korea's December rocket launch on Tuesday and expanded existing U.N. sanctions.
On Thursday, the United States slapped economic sanctions on two North Korean bank officials and a Hong Kong trading company that it accused of supporting Pyongyang's proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.
The company, Leader (Hong Kong) International Trading Ltd, was separately blacklisted by the United Nations on Wednesday.
Seoul has said it will look at whether there are any further sanctions that it can implement alongside the United States, but said the focus for now is to follow Security Council resolutions.
The resolution said the council "deplores the violations" by North Korea of its previous resolutions, which banned Pyongyang from conducting further ballistic missile and nuclear tests and from importing materials and technology for those programs. It does not impose new sanctions on Pyongyang.
San Francisco in range?
The United States had wanted to punish North Korea for the rocket launch with a Security Council resolution that imposed entirely new sanctions against Pyongyang, but Beijing rejected that option. China agreed to U.N. sanctions against Pyongyang after North Korea's 2006 and 2009 nuclear tests.
North Korea's rhetoric this week amounted to some of the angriest outbursts against the outside world coming under the leadership of Kim Jong Un, who took over after the death of his father Kim Jong Il in late 2011.
Elizabeth Dalziel / AP
From work to play, see pictures from inside the secretive country.
On Thursday, the North said it would carry out further rocket launches and a nuclear test, directing its ire at the United States, a country it called its "sworn enemy."
U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said the comments were worrying.
"We are very concerned with North Korea's continuing provocative behavior," he said at a Pentagon news conference. "We are fully prepared ... to deal with any kind of provocation from the North Koreans. But I hope in the end that they determine that it is better to make a choice to become part of the international family."
North Korea is not believed to have the technology to deliver a nuclear warhead capable of hitting the continental United States, although its December launch showed it had the capacity to deliver a rocket that could travel 6,200 miles, potentially putting San Francisco in range, according to an intelligence assessment by South Korea.
The foreign ministry of China, the North's sole remaining major diplomatic and economic benefactor, repeated its call for calm on the Korean peninsula at its daily briefing on Friday.
"We hope all relevant parties can see the big picture, maintain calm and restraint, further maintain contact and dialogue, and improve relations, while not taking actions to further complicate and escalate the situation," spokesman Hong Lei said.
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Peaceful huh?
*rolls eyes* It is kind of funny, but also sad that they honestly don't know they're the laughing stock of the world.
Even sadder that their leadership, who are supposed to be among the most mature and wise of them, act like our 7-year-olds. No wonder they're in such a terrible state. Children running an entire country? There's a reason we don't allow them to do that here.
I always remember the comments made by Bush II and N Korea. Bush told America Iraq had weapons of mass destructing and we will not tolerate that, we need to invade and conquer Iraq. Iraq said all along they did not have weapons of mass destruction. N Korea on the other hand told Bush II, hey we do have weapons of mass destruction and what are you going to do. Well we know the answer. And we know why we went to Iraq instead of N Korea and it has nothing to do with weapons.
But somehow US is only worried about Iran... must be because the pro Israel lobby dictates US foreign policy.
LJ Rhodes
We don't...please explain the conduct of congress in other than child-like terms...
Um . . . Do I have this right?
Um . . . this is insanity.
(WAR, economic conquest, arms dealers, crazy leaders, it's all such a ridiculous situation and it is rampant all over the globe. What a sorry world we humans have made for ourselves.) (I for one am pretty sick of the world's so-called leaders stirring up this muck which the rest of us plain folk have to live with. As much as I'm disgusted with it I'm glad we have the media to keep tabs on the inglorious basterds. At least we have some warning as to their activities.)
It's the usual sabre rattling from this regime. Nothing of any substance here... move along
China has a treaty with North Korea, so they'll come to their aid if they attacked "unprovoked".
In other words, we really kind of have to wait for North Korea to do something first, otherwise the Chinese will get involved, and that would be bad for the whole world.
Let them test their Bomb.
When it doesn't work we all get a good laugh. If it does they just ruined a little bit more of what little land they have to feed their people.
North Korea is and has always been, a greater threat than Iran.
I guess this puts to rest all the speculation of whether or not mini Kim would open up NK or carry on in the family tradition of nut bag dictator. Poor fool.
Big talk/little man is a combination worth laughing at.
The ruling party of NK is crazy. They will probably nuke their own people first.
It's called sarcasm, surprised you didn't get that from Rhodes post.
I think we have given it as much political communication as we can. We don't want N Korea to drop a nuke on S Korea so I think it is time to get involved on a grander scale. Time to send in the drones, but whatever you do, no boots on the ground. Tired of losing lives needlessly.
I thought we were still at war with them?
Uhh....A declaration of war?? Seeing that the war never really ended and has been at a cease-fire for years, it's kind of hard to declare something that is still technically in progress....
Our military complex sure is happy to hear talk of another war.
It's a good think this threat isn't coming from Mexico. Obama would be a nervous wreck.
tontosh,
You should smuggle yourself into NK and work from the inside to prevent war from happening.....I'll rest my faith in our industrial/military complex.
the Military/Industrial Complex > Flower Power and always will be.
It is foolish to characterize the North Koreans as "childish" or "stupid" or a "laughing stock" because these captions simply do not fit. The North Koreans have played a very cold, calculated game of brinkmanship for the last 60 years and they are very, very good at it.
1) North Korea holds all the aces. Any misstep by either side in this quarrel will result in the annihilation of the Seoul-Inchon Corridor land the area immediately south of the DMZ. This would destroy South Korea's political and financial capital, its major port, 40% of its population and 80% of its industry. We would lose around 20,000 American troops and 150,000 ROKA troops. And that's just the first 15-30 minutes.
2) For 60 years North Korea has been constructing hardened revetments, depots, and caves and tunnels and decoys that make their military close to invulnerable to a first strike or a retaliatory or counter-strike. They literally have far more hardened targets than we have bunker-buster bombs. And these hardened facilities are also just as immune to nuclear weapons.
3) The North Korean provocative acts have two purposes. The minor purpose is to thumb their noise at the world and remind them of their inability to react. The major reason is to watch the chain of command involved in the action to make sure there is no trace of hesitation or disloyalty. I was a North Korean intelligence analyst when the NKAF shot down an American EC-121 90 miles out in the Sea of Japan, killing all aboard. I watched as the 5th AF battle staff tried to come up with some sort of retaliation. In the end, we did nothing, just as when the NKN sunk the state-of-the-art ROKN ASW corvette in the Yellow Sea in South Korean waters. Every President since Truman has struggled with the "Korean Problem" and has come up dry.
4) It is great to rattle sabers at North Korea, but in fact we do not possess the military capability to do more than surface damage. We are still tied up in Afghanistan and our military is over-committed and worn plumb out --- both men and equipment. North Korea is NOT Iraq --- there are no great expanses of desert that are wonderful for tanks --- there are only mountains where tanks are next to worthless. Attacking North Korea would be suicidal and would only add to out losses since WWI --- Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and now we are losing in Afghanistan. Attacking North Korea would be more costly than any of these.
North Korea is a sticky problem, but it is time to grow up and face the facts that this is one that we cannot win and if there is a miscalculation on either side, we will lose significant blood and treasure.
I would think that our military has the ability to shot down any rockets that North Korea fires off...
And if America did do that it would embarrass the leaders of North Korea...
Lets remember something! China, The west, The world economy!! China will not be upset enough to stop us if NK does something real. I mean think about it. If they hit SK or anywhere we are and we finish this issue with our might, china has ownership of about 40% of our dept. This means they would not want it to get worse or they would lose their money and the chineze hate to lose money! It would benefit them to just bitch and moan as the NK's die of radiation and disease and starvation, finally. Then the south could come back in and we would be done with the dicktator's of the North finally... Don't worry about them being a real threat to anyone but San Fransico. Really,?>? do we care what happens to all the men in buttless chaps anyway?? Ciao....
Kim Jong Un has been under a lot of stress since Hostess went out of business. The little pudgy guy has been suffering serious Twinkie withdrawals.
Terry. They are very close to Russia and China. We Don't want to start an international incident with an errant shot. If one gets over Japan it might be to high to shoot down at that point.
Chris, as always has an excellent post , full of info, and whatever he says about the region I would assume is correct.
The North Koreans are just piss ants. Don't they realize the US could have destroyed them one hundred times over if we truly wanted to?
Bud. I heard China holds 8% of our DEBT.
Japan owns 6% of our DEBT.
China probably understands we will never be able to pay our bill.
China wants Japanese blood. If we attack N Korea they might attack Japan.
Big Dawg,,,,,,,,,,,, you are an idiot.
Bud , Chineze,,, Dept. ???????? DEBT
Why MC Gusto, what an absolutely mature, intelligent reply to Big Dawg. I mean, if you disagree, why bother with stating why, and ,maybe backing it up with a fact or two, right? It's so much easier to just fire off an inane insult.
By the way, Big Dawg, you are correct as far as N. Korea being a serious threat.....it's really hard to fight a war when your military doesn't even get enough to eat.
MC, Chris - I would not sit around waiting for them to hit us with a rocket. That borders on insanity. I would simply shoot down any rocket they decided to send up out of their space. When they have their little confabs to show all the geriatric army leaders standing behind the young punk, I'd completely destroy everything within a 10 mile radius. Without leadership, the people will take over.
BTW... I disagree with Chris. I've been stationed in SK. Don't underestimate the capabilities of the South Korean forces... they are some bad ass mo' fo's. Those NK tunnels will be used against them. The reason we are in SK is to keep the ROK from going north.
What is your idea of win? We can win in a matter of a few weeks if our mission is just to go in there and wipe out that nation. Now if you are talking about nation building after the fact..then that we are not so good at. Wipe em out and then leave them with the mess they made for themselves. This isn't the 1950's and North would face a totally different type of bombardment then they faced then. Kicking butt we are very good at, but trying to play "Mr Fixit" after we beat the snot out of them is where we lose. Not that I am advocating war and I would love to see a peacefull solution, but how can you ever get anywhere when you are dealing with mentaly unstable dictators? Eventually they are going to do something really dumb and will have to be put down like a dog with rabbies. Just a shame that the innicent citizens of the North would be caught up in such a mess and pay some price for there stupid dictators ignorance.
Decades of broken promises and threats from this dictatorship and we still keep playing the game. The time to have taken out NK was 60 years ago. Now we're stuck with this mess.
If they want to decimate their population through starvation or radiation that's ultimately their concern. We need to treat them the way that they've been acting:like spoiled children. Beijing isn't going to risk war for NK.
lol...does anyone have a fly swatter? This bug needs smashed!
We already have boots on the ground there Brenda...for the last 50 years.
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You should try writting something more on topic.
ProFreedom-5130956
I couldn't agree more.....They must want something...again. I say we give them an all day sucker.
Any of the Japanese Kongo-class can shoot down anything flying over Japan, regardless of height. The SM-3's they carry are the same ones we used to shoot down our own satellite in 2008. It's amazing what an Aegis destroyer can do.
@Steve-3564331
It does no good. He's the same idiotic troll who has his account deleted at least twice a week and yet they still don't IP ban his ass. He simply creates a new retarded sounding one and trolls on.
an army marches on its stomach could north korea make it a block?
The scary scenario here is, if N. Korea were to use this as a diversion and launch a missle at us, with the bungling that took place in Benghazi, are we confident that this administration is competent to handle the attack ?
fhill,
alittle sanity is refreshing.
I'm with Chris. I think that is the right path in all honesty. I am assuming he is promoting containment rather than invasion which is rational. We should be developing technology that can knock a nuke out of the sky. We have to be getting pretty good at dropping missles by now...lets just get better at it. Let China have the blame for not maintaining a peaceful sphere of influence, keep beefing up SK and Japan and starve the little roaches.
Crop dusting the place would work too but that is just rude I think.
Chris from Yucaipa
Yea I know....Just get tired of seeing the same thing on every board....gets old after awhile....Okay the first time it was old.
Dragonof52
It's a different type of attack all together. This little squirt has been pissing and moaning for a long time. Most of the time it happens when he doesn't get what he wants from the U.N.
Yucaipa. Thanks for that knowledge.
First time using a 3 syllable word?
It would be nice to see The South Koreans put a "Gangnam Style" ass-whoopin on those nasty North Korean pukes
Hey Chris wasn't that same thing said about Afghanistan? I agree with most of what you said, but to say we can't win against them is beyond ridiculous. We can't win with a half effort like we did in Vietnam, but a full blown war NK wouldn't stand a chance. Yeah we would lose some lives, and I don't like the sound of that, but to say that attacking NK would be suicidal gives absolutely no credit to our armed forces that they most definitely deserve. The problem with NK isn't that we are scared of them, the problem is and always has been China. I we attack NK then the fallout with China could be horrendous. I just hope we don't wait too long to get involved and have another Pearl Harbor on our hands.
NK is China's pet rottweiler and always will be.. It barks and snarls, sometimes on command.. We have nothing to gain or loose by reestablishing sanctions.. Attack or counter attacking them is stupid unless they send a nuke and it gets through our missile and laser anti missile shield.. I bet we have used the laser to destroy a few of their test launches already and it is just target practice.. Now if they get smart and put a mirror finish on them we will have to use anti missiles.. SK will have to put up with more stuff like ships being torpedoed and artillery attacks on island outposts.. Lets hope we do not give them something like last time.. We gave them tons of diesel fuel and they pissed on us even before they got it all..
China is the big difference between NK and Iraq and I am glad some of the posters above do not work at the Pentagon or White House.. Iraq had tons of weaponized chemical weapons and it took a US subcontractor years to incinerate it all.. Special forces were dropped in to secure these sites when the war started.. So yes Suzie Saddam had WMD's, some of which walked away to Iran including something radioactive [a dirty bomb or a contaminator bomb made from spent fuel rods].. We have not learned to contain these nuts and let them fester and pop on their own..
So anyone got a guess on when or if our economy will collapse?? If you figure the debt is 16T and we have leveraged it at 10% that is 176T in the hole.. So since we are still adding to it and have no plan on even making a principal payment the future does not look Rosy.. Obama is hoping for an economic surge to fund socialism and pay the debt.. Some kind of energy boom or technology boom based in the US maybe?? If he was banking on oil I think he missed the buss because Australia just announced vast reserves that will be tapped and for sale.. Think we have undiscovered Gold or Platinum deposits that will cover it??
@Big Dog
You're absolutely right. The ROK army is nobody anybody wants to mess with...the difference between Iraq, Afghanistan, and Korea is this...South Korea has armed forces that man for man are as good as any and better than most...this is also a big difference between the early '50's and today...N. Korea can spout off all it wants about "hitting the US"...if and when push comes to shove...it's the ROK army that is going to shove that turd the N. Koreans try to drop on the south right back up young Kim's a$$
You stupid f'n idiot Dick...
Dick-2100935
"I always remember the comments made by Bush II and N Korea. Bush told America Iraq had weapons of mass destructing and we will not tolerate that, we need to invade and conquer Iraq. Iraq said all along they did not have weapons of mass destruction. N Korea on the other hand told Bush II, hey we do have weapons of mass destruction and what are you going to do. Well we know the answer. And we know why we went to Iraq instead of N Korea and it has nothing to do with weapons."
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Iraq (Saddam Hussein) DID, IN FACT use poison gas to kill 200,000 people IN IRAQ.
So DICK, why do you think we went to IRAQ? oil.? YOU are stupid to think that.
It started before Bush II. it was called, The Iraqi Invasion of Kuait. Syria has those Iraqi WMDs now and they did threaten to use them.
Desert Storm.
Japan took shiploads of yellow uranium from Iraq.
You think, you chicken? What's to worry about those morons?
ED -
I disagree. I believe that Muslim religious fanaticism centered in the Middle East is more of a threat than nuclear weapons in North Korea.
Those of you born less that 30 years ago...get used to it...this is North Korea! Think of the saying "don't let your alligator mouth run off with your hummingbird a$$". Again, that's North Korea. This is all posturing to maintain the illusion of an "external enemy" for domestic consumption.
They have a large...rusty army slowly decomposing and they want to use it for propaganda purposes to cut the best deal they can in order to maintain control over their own country. The only thing they have worth exporting are AK-47s and their economy is nearly non-existent. I know it all sounds convoluted but then...that's North Korea.
Obama Biden & Hillary Are Scum
OMG! You make the "awful and nasty" want to come out and blast you. Dear God, please give me the strenght NOT to go postal on this loser. Thank you.
if it were not for huge food shipments from the United States, North Korea would be starving to death. no one takes their threats serious, it is for local propaganda, one missile fired at the U.S. ,and North Korea would be inhabitable for about 1000 years, and they know it.
To iamnotyou. I am so glad you are not me because I'm not as stupid as you to believe Bush and Cheney. Go back in the basement and stroke your penis extension, and the stupidity and anger will go away.
OMG marto! Did you just insult iamnotyou's penis??
chris949391.. I totally agree with you and thank you for the info. I wish everyone else used this blogging to inform people rather than all the "we are the masters and we can distroy them and all the other bs they post". I do agree also with NK estimation that sanction is declaration of war. we have seen it in iraq prior to invasion and witnessed that nearly a million iraqi children died from starvation. we see it in Iran as well that some pt's can't get their medications and are in danger of dying due to lack of medicine which is somewhat related to the sanctions, but Iran is a rich country and can find ways to overcome it unlike nk.and I think if they are pushed too far, they would reserve the use of whatever they have to punish the other side.. I think the majority of population ever estimates the might of u.s millitary. $1 trillion a year I think of it like a fat person who eats all junk food and has no diet and it's mobility is limited. to compair with others like china and russia who have a balanced diet. their millitary is based of defence not invasion. again thanks for the post.
That was already history when we invaded...not a clear and present danger.
I can't speak for Dick, but I personally believe controlling the price of oil was one of the reasons. You only have to go back to Dick Cheney's "energy policy" meeting with the oil companies (big map of Iraq). Other reasons included Afghanistan wasn't giving Bush the traction he needed to get his agenda stuffed through Congress. "He tried to kill my daddy". Establishing a footprint in the Middle East...see "Project for a New American Century". Since there were no WMD...you tell me why he invaded.
OK...show us proof Syria has Iraq's WMD (or even compelling evidence, not right-wing propaganda). The claim the invasion had anything to do with Kuwait is as valid as the "yellow cake uranium" claim.
Wow, somehow I knew the yellow cake uranium would come up...from Uganda right? Isn't there prince in Uganda trying to get Iraqi money out of the country and all you have to do is send him a check and he'll share it with you?
Since they have threatened us with missiles we are now are justified for shooting down anything they launch.
While the North seems to be full of bluster and Macho belligerance, I am not so sure they could sustain prolonged combat operations and maintain sufficient forces to carry out those operations without full support of either Russia or China. Their forces are however, indoctrinated in a deep hatred of the west that would perhaps allow them to carry out a very long campaign without pay and without much support from outside. Any engagement would ultimately lead to their destruction, but would be costly for their enemies as well.
I observed the ROK troops in Vietnam (South Korean Army). They are some very professional and well trained forces. I would always want to be on their side. Many are as tough and dedicated as our finest. I can't believe North Korea is not aware of this. I would serve with Australian, Canadian, British, ROK, or French troops proudly anytime.
Some Guy-5289621;
We owe china too much MONEY for them to go to war with us...
Which one of these threats is real, President OBAMA?
North Korea: If you don't do as we say, we will fire a missile at you
.....maybe
.....if we can get it to work!
Mexico: If you don't do as we say, we will poison your society with illegal drugs for 40 years
and send in 13,000,000 of our troops disguised as "immigrants".
A REAL American president would know!
End of the day more sabre rattling but certainly don't turn our backs on them. If something did happen, I don't think there would be any "winners" in the long. Yes I think we would win in the end simply because the North couldn't sustain the effort, for them mostly I think you would see one big hurrah and they fizzle since they can't maintain it but not without inflicting major losses that ultimately both sides would see.
The whole thing would really just be a blood bath. But they would really have to go of the deep end for this to happen, certainly are near and wouldn't put it past them, but China is the key here and they wouldn't want this anymore than us. From the influx of refugees to the major economic hurt this would cause them, plus the potential fallout if the North did use nuclear weapons and further destruction if the North would think China betrayed them and aimed artillery that way as well. Wouldn't put it past them to do that either.
Just have to be careful, hopefully cool heads prevail and China shortens the leash again. Like I said the only outcome would be a blood bath with large destruction in the Korean peninsula for sure. As for a rocket hitting the US, don't count on it. No solid fuel tech so no rapid deployment resulting in slow to fuel liquid rockets and we watch them 24/7. It would be downed before they know it or blown up on the pad.
It is time
Always amazed by people that go all "Sharks & Jets" in their dead brain-pans as soon as they're presented with any us vs. them scenario that comes down the pike...
Is it time to roto-till the starving populace of North Korea? Is that a human response to a few quasi-military out-of-touch rulers rattling an already dull saber?
Might as well rev back up the Koren peninsula... That's where the Marines last used amphibious landing crafts over 60 years ago. Now they've spent 2 to 4 billion over the last 20 years with General Dynamics in "developing" a new one. I don't know what sounds more stupid, 20 years to almost complete or 2 to 4 billion in development of what's no longer relevant.
As recently as 2010, the marine corp was adamant about preserving the project, citing the vehicle (EFV) as critical to their mission and 200 year history of amphibious landings. They left out the part about the last 60+ of that 200 being a sort of dry spell... And pressed for 573 of them to the tune of 13.7 billion dollars.... I suppose the fact that they can drive onto a peninsula and crush scrawny peasants with old-school precision is where the WOW factor really hits the road though.
Iamnotyou.....in a word; no.
Syria doesn't have Saddam's weapons, because the WMD never existed. Even our own chief inspector admitted that. The stories about them being transported into Syria were BOGUS, just like the lies that were told about "shock & awe".......which completely missed all of its main targets, and killed mostly innocent Iraqi civilians.
North Korea is a little more dangerous than Iraq, because NK actually has nuclear capabilities. I would support an action against them But, their leadership Is such a wildcard, that one cannot ever be certain they wouldn't throw a nuke at somebody, somewhere. Most likely, at Japan.
I cannot understand how the rest of the civilized world has "burried the hatchet" so to speak, and thes two countries just can't get along. Then again, with that whacked out family in charge of N.K. I guess this makes perfect sense.
Obama Biden & Hillary Are Scum
Which one of these threats is real, President OBAMA?
North Korea: If you don't do as we say, we will fire a missile at you
.....maybe
.....if we can get it to work!
Mexico: If you don't do as we say, we will poison your society with illegal drugs for 40 years
and send in 13,000,000 of our troops disguised as "immigrants".
A REAL American president would know!"
You've just passed the RNC "straight-faced" False Equivalency test... Rinse Penis will be so proud! Border to border immigration and its relationship to inter-continental nuclear exchange.... I was thinking you should write a book, but then I realized it would have to be two books, and then I further realized that since you can't tell subjects apart the whole book idea may be a no-go after all....
Most slack-jawed yocals make better sense than what you posted above, so we'll (the real President and I) just have to assume there's an additional contributive disorder in your special case.
1.14 Rob68 you must have flunked history... this was no " War" it was a "conflict" ...there never was any Declaration of War ...but there sure were a lot of our guys killed ...
The propaganda that there were no weaponized chemical weapons and no uranium is exactly like the movie caused the attack at the embassy.. That embassy was a CIA compound and our government was doing something there that they wanted to keep quiet.. Something about giving the same type of people that Osama was working with man portable anti aircraft rockets.. You do know that Osama was a CIA operative.. We await the downing of US commercial or military aircraft in the near future.. You do know that outside of a few other places the Middle East has a large amount of uranium.. Lots of it is in the mountainous area between Iraq and Iran.. Could be we stole the trillion dollars worth of yellow cake and wanted to keep that fact hushed up.. We are so used to our government playing the shell game of lies that even when reality bites you in the butt the cover story is still believed by the masses.. Why they did it is another story and we might never know.. We are the worlds police force for 1 reason alone.. The world for the most part trades on the dollar because we are the cop and were the economic powerhouse of the world because we were masters of the industrial revolution and a few people from the US amassed vast fortunes that still today hold a grip on the planet.. But that grip is slipping and challengers like China want the role of money changer but do not want to be the worlds cop.. So as long as we keep that role of world security guard we can stay afloat with our massive debt of 176+ trillion dollars..
Obama Biden & Hillary Are Scum
I see your back. Only the names are changed to protect the innocent...you by the way are not one of them. I'm surprised the you haven't been banned under this name yet.
You truly are a troll!
Oh...a REAL American president...like Ronald Reagen who granted them amnesty...got ya.
Amnesty for these 11 million illegals will generate 60 million Hispanic votes.. Who cares that it will cost taxpayers grandchildren a few trillion dollars.. Certainly not the people who are on the welfare roll and do not pay taxes.. More free stuff more votes , it's the democratic party's bread and butter.. Just wait till the free stuff party is over and the riots start.. Texas and other border states are being over run with pregnant Mexican national women who give birth here and get a free ride costing us a fortune..
dvae -
I believe it was referred to, at the time, as a 'police action', wasn't it?
Welcome to MASH 4077, Best Care Anywhere!! :)
Threaten to flood North Korea with 13,000,000 illegals! Watch them back down.
And OBAMA the gutless doesn't mind taking those funds and college seats away from the white folk! His war against educated Whites will make the Great Depression look like a Sunday school picnic.
I see the Klan is gathering. Ya'll should win a whole lot of elections with that rhetoric...republican big tent.
Little Village fake ID and murder trial begins
The hitman was stalking his target in Mexico when he called his boss back in Chicago,
prosecutors said.
“I have my piece in the car and I’m ready to jump,” Gerardo Salazar-Rodriquez was allegedly recorded telling Julio Leija-Sanchez back in early 2007. “I’m just waiting for your
brother to tell me how high.”
Within hours, the bloodied body of their main business rival — a former confidant known as
“Montes” — was found by Mexican authorities slumped in the front seat of a taxi, riddled with lead.
The dead man’s mistake: trying to muscle in on a multi-million dollar fake ID ring based thousands of miles away in a Little Village strip mall, prosecutors said as a major
racketeering trial opened Thursday.
Six years after heavily armed federal agents stormed the 26th Street Discount Mall and seized ID-making equipment, Assistant U.S. Attorney Michelle Nasser told jurors that grisly
wiretaps, video footage and insider accounts will show how the Leija-Sanchez crew used violence and paid the Latin Kings to protect its turf for two
decades.
Julio Leija-Sanchez and his brother Manuel deny charges of running the U.S. and Mexican branches of the business, respectively, while Salazar-Rodriguez denies he was the enforcer who murdered Montes.
But tens of thousands of fake drivers licenses, green cards and social security cards were sold at $200 a pop to immigrants out of the parking lot in front of a photo store run by
Ald. Ricardo Munoz’s father, Elias, Nasser said. Illegal workers were smuggled
across the border, then forced to join the business to pay off their debt, she
said.
Jurors Thursday watched a video of undercover agents buying phony IDs and posing for photos snapped by the alderman’s dad, who previously pleaded guilty and was sentenced to four years for his role in the scheme.
Dramatic testimony is likely next week when Freddy Ramirez Camella takes the stand. Known as “Bruno,” he was a trusted insider who the Leija-Sanchezes plotted to kill after he left to set up a rival ID business with Montes, prosecutors say.
In wiretapped conversations, Julio Leija-Sanchez discussed finding Bruno at Montes’ funeral, burning him to death and cutting him into pieces, they say.
Attorneys for both Leija-Sanchez brothers and for Salazar-Rodriquez offered little during opening arguments, urging jurors to keep an open mind, and to consider whether the
Spanish-speaking voices on the wiretaps really belong to their clients.
Given the amount of damning phone chat the government says it recorded, that’s likely to be a key question.
According to Nasser, Julio Leija-Sanchez even told one potential recruit to the business, “I
admit there are some risks — the thing is it’s always risky when you are doing something crooked.”
ol doc:
You can try to whitewash Latinos but they keep showing the world how crooked they are.
Nobody around the world will want to do business with an America that is filled with the Mexico they were trying to avoid!
@Navy Patriot,
The North Korean Army is prepared for full combat support for 90 days and "limited" support (meaning starting to run out of replacement equipment and spares) for another 180 days or so. They have truly massive underground supply depots all over North Korea and about three times as many decoy depots. They would not receive any help from Russia (they have drifted far apart in the past 30 years) and China (who wishes they would just go away and hasn't given them any military aid in 10 years or so.) The NBA Battle Doctrine says that win or lose, the whole affair would be substantially over within 30 days.
I agree you you and others that the ROK military are fairly well-trained and equipped --- only a Tier down from our own status), but it is a matter of numbers --- the ROKA would be overwhelmed by numbers, especially with any real conflict starting with massive destruction from Inchon all the way across the DMZ. Between the two things and the probable element of surprise, they would have a huge advantage. Most mulitary planners "soak off" about 8-12 to one in any attack against them because of their hardened defenses. I simply can't see where we could come up with any 8 times numerical advantages, even in tactical situations.
I was stationed at Tuy Hoa in Vietnam. Our "guardian angels" were the White Horse and Cap ROK Divisions. They were the best of the best of the ROKA at the time. The Viet Cong basically left our base alone because they were absolutely terrified of the Koreans.
Really? Who's hiring them? Wealthy white guys that's who. Not only that but the same wealthy white guys send recruiter south of the border promising jobs if they can slip across the border. The meat packing industry is one of the biggest offenders, but even the Dallas County Sheriff's department is on the list.
As to trying to make it a racial thing...White Americans murdered approximately 15 million Native Americans...justify that!
You do realize the only American President to ever grant amnesty to illegal aliens was Ronald Reagan...right?
There are 28,000 (give or take) American forces in South Korea. That includes two tacfical fighter wings and some naval forces. The Army along the DMZ account for around 20,000 of them. Thes Army troops are often called "tripwire" forces in the press. But the military planners call them "sacrificial" forces and refer to them as being completely "elided" (milspeak for "overrun") within the first hour of combat. The naval and air forces would not fight except to try to extricate any troops that have a chamce of pulling out in any sort of order. The remainder would pull back to Japan. The military has no real plan that would stop a North Korean surprise attack. The only way we could jhold South Korea would be if there were close to a year before the attack to allow us to stockpile forces in Korea and Japan as we stockpiled them during the two Iraq wars. I don't think the Koreans are stupid enough to ever let that happen. If there were any serious buildup of US forces in Japan or South Korea, they would attack as early as possible.
It is time to make China deal with their neighbor. China funds this useless country. We should tell China that they will be embargoed if the 'tiny little leader' launches any missiles. And we should enforce this embargo.
As for debt - if NK launches, we should print 2 'one trillion dollar' bills and send them to china - paying off our debt (we only owe 2 trillion to china).
NK should not be our problem. Let's make it China's problem. Then the problem will go away quickly.
Shows how much the North knows. Technically they're still at war with the South and the U.S.
Like just about everything else coming from North Korea these days, this just another round of bluff. North Korea knows it may win some territory in the first few hours or days of an invasion, but it also knows the rest of the countries in the region will mobilize against them. At point it is questionable that even the Chinese would fully support North Korea if they are the aggressors here. I think the North would most likely try to dig in and hold as much territory as possible, and may not believe the Western powers would stand up to or try to remove them.
Ol_Doc
Who murdered American immigrants that were INVITED to settle in Texas??? MEXICANS!!
Why were they INVITED to settle there???? To keep Indians from raiding MEXICO!!!
The ENTIRE SOUTHWEST was land that MEXICO claimed as theirs but really belonged to YOUR "Native Americans"!!!!
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WHO HELPED KILL 6 MILLION JEWS??????
MEXICANS FROM MEXICO!
HOW? By not sending any soldiers to fight against Nazi Germany even though they declared war against them, they covertly supported the Nazis.
By taking arms from the US to modernize their armies and never fighting in the war , Mexicans also supported Germany and Japan by diverting arms that could have been used by the Allied countries who were actively fighting in the war!
Nice attempt at revisionist history there bud. Too bad it does not match or fly in the face of reality. You really should try reading some real history books for a change. I could provide some excellent examples for you but I have the distinct feeling your seeming severe dislike and/or possibly hatred of Mexicans would prevent you from doing so and my efforts would be wasted. I'll try one. Try reading "The Rise and Fall of The Third Reich" by William Shirer. You sound very deluded and I pity you in your ignorance!
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The fat, bloated schmuck now running North Korea is no different than his fat, bloated schmuck Daddy. Ignore these roaches and starve them into non-existence. The time for compassion has long since passed with these saber rattling gnats.
Easy to say that but unfortunately the slimebags take millions of innocent people with them. Do we really want to do that?
Yeah, we do.
When the general populace is nearly dead and can't make things or farm (like Africa) and their army is starving then change will come.
We, the West, have been sending food into NK for broken promises, decade after decade. When the overthrow comes, the leadership must not be allowed to travel out of the country either.
How callous. I'm glad you're not in a position of authority. Sending food to NK may not be the answer but it certainly hasn't broken us.
Tom,
The population has been programmed for insanity and communism. Plus they believe in unicorns. Callous?....sure. Plus, screw NK anyway.
If China doesn't grow some nads and take care of the NK ruling class we are left with no choice but to take care of it ourselves. Pretty soon their capacity for war will equal the blabbering threats of their "leader" (laughable in and of itself) and judging by the genetics of that family, they are crazy enough to just start lobbing nukes at pretty much everybody they don't like.
"Easy to say that but unfortunately the slimebags take millions of innocent people with them. Do we really want to do that?" Tom - we are not doing anything. They would be the ones doing the doing. They are just little children trying to play at the big boy's table. Sid thank you for stating the facts of what would actually happen. Keep in mind they only just now got a rocket off the ground. That is the easy part - the guidance systems is much harder and don't forget of the missile defense systems around the world. If anyone cares about the people in NK then continued sanctions and even more harsh ones need to continue/be implemented. What if this baby had full access to top technologies? NK is a cockroach in the corner and we only need to get our cowboy boots on to squash it, however we (the world) try to use the "high diplomatic road". Tom they are the ones referring to war. I bet if they did cross the border half of their army would be riding horses, if any are still alive in a starving country. I think the real answer is for the people/NK military to take control and ask the world for help. However, another Syria is not attractive.
Tom. That may not have broken us but something did.
We have no money but continue to hand it out to our enemies.
Afghanistan
Iraq
Pakistan
Somalia
N.Korea
Libya
Egypt.
How much more should we give our enemies?,,,,,,,,,,,, Please answer.
How many billions a year should we give to our enemies?
What are we handing to North Korea? We haven't given them any food since April 2012, so what else are we supposedly giving them?
Perhaps our "Navy Seals" could 'kidnap' their Dictator and hold him for ransom? Would N.K negotiate to bring home their "Glorious, Benvolent Father/Unicorn whose farts smell like roses?"
Peace,
I'd rather they kill him than kidnap him.
Chris......... we also give them heating oil.
Having been stationed in SK, I got the impression the only reason US Forces were there was to prevent the South Korean Army from taking out the North for fear of China belching. If our Navy Seals were to kidnap their new "Glorious, Benevolent Father/Unicorn leader”, the old hats propping him up in NK might just tell our "Glorious, Benevolent Father leader” to just keep him! Twinkies aren’t made any more, so how could we keep their new "Glorious, Benevolent Father/Unicorn leader”, so fat and happy as a prisoner of the USA?
We never gave them heating oil. There was an agreement to give them heavy fuel oil in 2002 in return for them shutting down their reactors which never occurred.
Hmmm... The threats of war from the DPRK, (North Korea), are wearisome. However, if one lives within "rocket range," the threats take on new meaning. Areas ranging from San Francisco, CA to Everett, WA could be an intended target.
My Grandpa used to say, "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." Meaning, strike first and ask questions later.
It is entirely conceivable that one of the "nuclearized countries" could anonymously dispatch one missile with a large nuclear warhead to bomb a target in or near Pyongyang. That would be the warning shot, to straighten up and fly right, or else…
Of course, if “Country E” did that, guess who would get the blame?
It is regrettable that North Korea feels the need to compete with the world's "super powers," while so many North Korean people suffer poverty and hunger.
Sorry but "give us what we want or we'll kill our own people" reminds me of a scene from "Blazing Saddles" and I have a tough time taking it seriously.
IAMPGA: LOL! Doritos?
The North Koreans have been indoctrinated since babyhood to hate and fear the west, especially the US. Any person under the age of fifty or sixty in NK believes with all his heart that we are devils waiting to strike. With little or no communication beyond their borders they have no reason to know better. They starve, work like automotons and are trained to love that fat little "dear leader" like a god. You must have seen video of them marching like robots during one of their military shows. That hatred and fear will make them fight like fiends thinking they are protecting their homeland against what they believe to be evil incarnate. If we have to strike them we will have to hit them hard once and for all. Pull out the stops. I was a kid during the first Korean war..police action..and it was not an easy fight then. As ugly as any war could be and I can't say we "won" then either. And China did send troops across the border.
The trick is to get China to back away from helping NK in any way. That is where the diplomacy will come into play since that is where the real danger is, starting a huge war over a bumbling crazy state. The last paragraph hints at some hope that China doesn't want to go to war over a war crazed North Korea. They are too busy making and selling stuff to the rest of the world. This could be tricky, China will need to save face if Dear Leader goes off his testosterone fueled rocker.
Jeanne - It won't take a trick. We are China's meat and potatoes. They are having us for dinner slowly over a period of time, and they have no intention of scraping the plate. Whatever North Korea was to China 60 years ago...they have a different relationship now. North Korea is a serious thorn in China's side and a drain on it's economy. Truth be known they would prefer they just went away. If I were the new "dear...darling...glorious leader" or whatever they call him now, I wouldn't count on serious help from China beyond a little lip service.
Future Headline
3:15 PM: North Korea attacks South Korea and launches missile toward San Francisco.
3:35 PM: Entire country of North Korea reduced to a pile of smoldering radioactive ash.
And economic sanctions have worked so well where? All they do is hurt everyday people, while their leaders continue to live in luxury.
Obama Biden Hilary blah blah blah......
Yeah the Mexicans came up here and forced us to take drugs at gunpoint.
Hmmm.... North Korea wants to 'threaten' us over economic sanctions because of their "nuclear' testing. Hmmmm.. Korean War Part II coming to a theatre near you.
Wondering if the new war would be separate from the old war which is still technically going on. Can you really have 2 wars at the same time with the same country? I dont think its like Words with Friends.
@cp,
We did it with Iraq.
GO FOR IT. The USSA hasn't won a war since WWII. We need to see some results for that 70 years of huge military budget. See something besides merely making friends of the Washingtonians super rich.
Dear Heavenly Father. We want Peace. Let's make a chain of Prayer for Peace. Let there be Peace on Earth.
Blue N Gold...
Can't win 'em if you don't declare 'em...
The old world "war" has gone extinct. There is no "all in" anymore, just sterlized versions of what use to be...
BlueNGold: Did you forget about the 1st Gulf War? We pretty much kicked butt in that one. I would suggest reading Tom Clancy's "Into the Storm" or, at least, do some research on the Battle of 73 Easting before you post more drivel.
I'd love to see the North Korean reaction if Seoul started a complete and steady evacuation to the south. I see 2 possible reactions. Either North Korea would immediately demand the evacuation halt or they'll attack, or they would immediately jump on the phone with the UN to open negotiations.
Chris. I Not a bad idea but where do you stash 15,000,000 people?
The Kennedy compound? Camp David? Jeter's new mansion in Florida? Okay, I'm out of ideas, MC.
Dont forget Tom Brady's new mansion in LA. I saw pics the other day...just finished....looks like quite a few extra bedrooms. I am willing to take one for the team and bunk with Giselle
I'd like to point out that we didn't win the first round in Korea either. It was hard and brutal, cost many American lives. Don't be so hasty, way too much testosterone out there.
Interesting idea, @Chris. But you probably wouldn't have to actually move the 15 million people out. You could simulate it with fake radio and TV broadcasts and then just gradually ending the car traffic. This would drive the North Koreans nuts because they have very limited intelligence on the South. It probably would provoke a war, however.
Why doesn't the world unite, go in and take down these idiot old world communists in North Korea, re-unite the Korean penninsula and free the North Korean people. I am so sick of hearing of anything Kim Jong you fill in the blanks.
Because Seoul would be wiped off the face of the earth. The North has pretty much ever artillery piece they have on the border aimed at Seoul. Considering 25 million people live there, I'd say that's a good reason why.
Also, North Korea doesn't have vast amounts of oil underneath them. That's why we don't care.
Just so you know... the preliminary airstrikes would all but obliterate most of those artillery positions.
If I'm not mistaken, most of their positions are fairly hardened, so Seoul would definitely be in trouble.
@ranman - Yup, I am sure it because they don't have oil, ok... I guess Kim Jung On isn't the only idiot speaking out today. IT is because of CHINA, NOT OIL. I guess people don't take up education anymore then they do outdoor activities!
Sid Higgins. You are wrong.
We can't hit everything at one time. They have been tunneling into mountains of solid rock for 50 + years. they have blast doors.
They have heavy guns on rail systems. The guns roll in and out. Even a Nuke wouldn't stop the hell they could unleash.
I don't think China would like us dropping a nuke 500 miles from their capital.
NK doesn't have oil, but they do have tons of untapped coal in the mountains. China is investing in retrieving that coal, too. So, the US isn't the only one with a taste for energy and willing to overlook all other consequences.
So that's your answer Doc? Every time a leader or a country stands up for itself we should go in and take them out? Wow I'm sure glad other countries don't do that to us. When are we going to learn that Washington and their owners will do everything they can to start as many wars as possible to further their agenda? It's time we weed out our corrupt politicians and try to find some true patriots that will not bow to the corporations. It is a matter of our own survival.
We have learned the devestation of a nuclear bomb, and the aftermath of the deadly radiation that affects the world population, via prevailing winds, etc. I cannot comprehend why, knowing this, the worlds countries don't take a united front in preventing any entity/country from ever using a nuclear bomb.
Don't know what North Korea's agenda is, if indeed, it has ever been articulated -- who knows if it is bluster or the madness of the prevailing regime -- either way -- we are all at peril.
Well past time for the earth's people to intervene.
Matt... "It's time we weed out our corrupt politicians and try to find some true patriots" Unfortunately Matt, 'corrupt' would describe most of our politicians in Wahington.
Here are a few thoughts from some pretty keen observers: "In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." Mark Twain
"I do not believe that civilization will be wiped out in a war fought with the atomic bomb. Perhaps two-thirds of the people of the earth will be killed." "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." Albert Einstein
mutman22... what an apropos name. Give us a call when you get back to Earth, okay?
hey doc- we have our hands full now,no? obamas help in overthrowing the egyptian and libyan goverments has allowed the release of qhadafis' weapons to terrorists,and syria? what about them? i think we should take care of these present issues before taking on more. these terrorists are killing people in africa now,why aren't we helping save those innocents dying? oh yeah,we did help(start this @!$%#) we delivered the french to mali,right? viva la france!
@ Some Guy
I guess you forgot we know this and we ability to take them out. I guess you forgot about the stuff at the bases that the US and South Korea have ready to go. Yes I do have friends at these bases and they train everyday just incase.

All of them? All at once? With us being wrapped up over in the Middle East? I don't think so.
The American military would easily flatten North Korea, but not before Seoul is destroyed, and most of South Korea's industry, population, and political structure with it.
Chris, I'm so tired of hearing (or rather reading) about 'China'. They don't want to 'free' North Korea because they don't want them immigrating into China and changing their culture and ethnicity in China. There already is a large percentage of North Koreans gathered in one section of China, it is so bad that China periodically has illegal immigration sweeps and deports North Korean women, no matter how long they've lived there.
Just the cost, and I'm not just referring to the financial costs to China and South Korea, in freeing North Korea is astronomical to mind boggling...Both of these countries 'say' the 'right things' for the news medias, but bet you it's a different story behind closed doors.
Awwww... isn't that adorable? Look at the big, silly baby rattling his little sabre. Who's a cute little pudgy baby? With those cheeks you just want to pinch right off his fat little face.
The best thing for this... is to completely ignore North Korea. If the world lets on it's paying any sort of attention to this infantile tantrum, it'll only serve to encourage that sort of behaviour. Once the leadership realizes it's not getting the attention it desires... North Korea will calm down and go back to sucking it's thumb and snuggling it's security blanket.
Can't wait to read all the comments from the YELLOW ELEPHANTS and their arm chair generals. Should be good for some laughs.
Golly gee wiz Sally Ann, I don't know who the "Yellow Elephants" are, but I tend to take seriously a threat to drop a nuclear bomb by an out of control regime.
I thought they are technically still at war already. Isn't just a cease fire that has lasted for 60 years?
Op, op op op op, oppan Pyongyang style.
This is like a 5' 3" guy going into a bar and trying to pick a fight with a 6' 3" guy. If it werent for his big friend China behind him he would be crushed. China is the one who brought the guy to the bar in the first place to taunt us. Easiest way to deal with this is to deal with China. Without our goods and services, and our importing their goods, their economy fails. Time to jerk on that rug and watch how quick the noise stops...
A 5'3" guy with a Nuke. Dynamite comes in small packages.
Someone failed simple math................
Then China calls our bluff and demands the 14 TRILLION we BORROWED from THEM
Maybe we need to go back to an intelligence test before voting.
Well, Wap3, they can't do that. They bought our bonds, as long as we keep paying the interest all they can do is accept the interest or sell the bonds on the international market. They would lose a lot if they tried to sell ALL of the bonds they hold at once. It would also ruin the bond market for us as we couldn't sell more bonds unless we paid higher interest than the Chinese owned bonds pay. So, it's really a lose-lose situation.
We don't owe China 14 trillion dollars! Americans hold the most of our debt from what I understand, I think we owe China a little over a trillion dollars, not sure what the amount is!
dale-763548 is right I found this
The United States currently has a public outstanding debt total of over $14.1 trillion. Of this total, China owns roughly 8%.
At this location.
I'm all for intelligence testing before you can vote....Dems would lose 75% of their voter base.
Oh and by the way China doesn't hold 14 Trillion of our debt....the number is actually under 2 Trillion. But we have a Democrat in the WH and Dems control the Senate so do as most Dems do.....don't pay the bills!!!! LMAO!!!!
Paul I've seen some 5'3" guys that have taken some 6'5" guys and made them cry , I mean crawl out of the bar on their hands and knees. Tony S. from Chicago might have been a little bigger but just because your short don't think they won't beat the living crap out of you. Oh Tony didn't need the M behind him he was just plain mean.
And while the US may have a $14 trillion debt, it owns $188 trillion of "stuff" --- roads, bridges, buildings, national parks and hundreds of thousands of acres of "public" land and mineral rights. There are also strategic reserves of everything from helium to rare earth metals. The federal government could erase the debt by simply selling off public lands and 10% of the mineral rights it owns. I would not call that bankrupt.
It is like a rich guy who has a deal go bad and now owes some money. He could sell one of his Rolls or one of his vacation homes, but instead he chooses to whine, fire the gardner and demand higher profits from his companies. The result is that he stays in debt when there is an easy way out.
And if China does anything that causes the devaluation of US Treasury Bonds they hold, they would suffer right along with us. They cannot demand immediate payment, only interest that is due. And they cannot sell off their bonds on the international market in less than 10 years or so. This is because it would drive the price of the bonds down so far that they would enter "junk bond" territory and no onbe would buy them.
nutman22...how aptly named. get a clue and stop with your ridiculous partisan posting. It's your stupid party, that lost the election by a wide margin, that wanted to make a fight over the debt ceiling. But, surprisingly, there were a few (very few) smart Republicans that saw this as a losing strategy, just like their presidential campaign, so they backed off. I know facts makes your little brain hurt so stay delusional and go LYAO you dolt.
"Your entitled to your own opinion, but your not entitled to your own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan
But nutman, Republicans would lose 90% of their voters.
is that what 4% is mike? a LARGE MARGIN? you do know about the electoral vote,no?
Mikeo46 51 to 49 is a "wide margin" no wonder you are on welfare.
Don't worry, there is a gun buy back, you could get a can of beans. or an Obamaphone that can track you wherever you are and listen to every conversation you have and let them know where to get you when you are Drafted.
The truth is that we owe a lot of money to other countries, therefore we are unable to play on a level field as a result. I, as all of us, want to know how the US came to be so. It is not relevant at this point, but a heads up for the future. It's time to pay our debt!
If -- our legislators and senators are willing to endorse the out of control funding for extraneous projects for their territories, and their constituents, allow them to contiue to do so, via re-electing, why change?
My own city received several million dollars to redirect streets from one-way to two-way traffic. Well- duh - multiplied by how many cities and in consideration of the national debt? -- Can the legislator(s) really claim success considerating the greater scheme? -- the answer is no!, no!, no!
It's time to consider the greater good of the USA as opposed to your neighborhood -- time to consider the US debt as a whole rather than a condition of immediate surroundings.
I would support a tax increase to decrease the national deficit if our legislators were willing to stand up for what is right, to eliminate, "port bellingly" or whatever the term is -- voter elimation of legislators who are willing to be re-elected at any cost -- voter, you have the power to do so -- time to become involved.
The currant legislators, in an effort to reduce the national debt, want to reduce funding of those less fortunate as opposed to reducing the funding of projects that enhance them, ie., in effect, funding of one way streets to two way - "Oh gosh, look at me, and what I have done for you - re-elect me and I will continue to ignor the national deficit.
USoA to N Korea, "STFU morons."
Oh no, what will the kool aid drinkers do when Oblamo has to do something? Oh never mind, they will just ignore it like they do the rest of his failures. Oblamo at war, God help us.
MagicallyPigilicous:
What has the GOP done?, besides whine and complain!
PIG
The last two UNFUNDED, Trillion Dollar 'wars' were started by 'Duh'. Who, As I recall was a Republican President. go suck an egg.
Good Americans dead for no reason. I served 4.5 years, do you?
tired of it - Civics lesson for ya. The President doesn't declare war, is not allowed to by law. Only Congress can do that. Nice try, though.
eric, back to class for you. Actually the President can commit troops and start a war. Under the unconstitutional War Powers Act, he is required to notify congress within 48 hours of committing troops. He is supposed to withdraw them within 60 days if congress doesn't declare war. However, the war powers act was nothing but a power grab by the legislative branch because of Vietnam and will one day be stricken by the courts when it gets tested.
Tired of it - Do some research. The Two wars will cost less than Obamacare! And the wars actually accomplished something....Obamacare accomplishes nothing!
Sick and tired of Democrats bitching about the wars when their Congressmen and Congresswomen voted for them too. I think Jack Nicholson's comments from "A Few Good Men" say it best....
You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has walls. And those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall.
We use words like honor, code, loyalty...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!
NUFF Said!!!!!
@nutman,
That was a movie. We are talking about real life here.
how many will die in obamas' wars guys?
With these Democrats in power, Obama* has 800,000 children of Illegals who never dreamt that they could be drafted.
and 47% of the democrats who are of college age never dreamt that they too would be drafted.
Don't worry liberals you won't be drafted, it is not a tax either. and Obama* said that he "won't take your guns away". he is Barrack Hussein Obama* or Barry Soetero. or whoever.....
Anyone remember the movie "The Mouse that Roared"? I think Peter Sellers was the star well this sounds like the " The Mouse that Roared II"
Geez... I thought I had an aneurism for a moment when I read that because I couldn't remember posting it!
The cash strapped Duchy of Grande Fenwick (with Peter Seller's as its chief minister, "Bobo") declared war on the United States (sending soldiers in Medieval garb to attack NYC with pikes and swords) with the plan to intentionally lose the war and receive financial aid as a result. North Korea certainly is a roaring mouse, but I think it's looney enough to believe that it could WIN. After all, the brain washed masses are told that their leader can perform miracles.
@Nikolaus,
If you remember the book, the USA surrendered.
Right, the U.S. did surrender, but I didn't say otherwise. I said that Grande Fenwick intended to purposely lose the war.
One would think, with ALL the money this tubby little bastard has stolen from his own people, why is it he cant get a decently tailored suit?!?! Every photo i have seen shows the pants leg dragging, the coat not fitting around him, and a haircut that even Moe from the three stooges would laugh at?? I mean, with a leader looking like this why are they so surprised when they saber rattle and the rest of the world just laughs.....
FYI, back in the day folks also ridiculed Hitler's appearance. Just saying...
Hitler had a lot more at his disposal, in terms of enlarging, equipping and modernizing Germany's army, than North Korea's Fearless Leader ever will.
Mmm, not really. After WWI, Germany had been stripped of most of its power and left with massive war debt, one of the things Hitler used to convince the people of his plans. He was crafty enough to find ways around the regulations and restrictions that had been imposed by the Treaty of Versailles to once again bring Germany to power and launch WWII. And that Treaty left them just enough power to do it, because no matter how many times he violated it, Hitler got away with it and used it to his full advantage to rise in power himself. He was batsh*t crazy, but he wasn't stupid. Kim Jong Un is a pampered, spoiled little boy with delusions of granduer, but he's not the brightest crayon in the box.
A surprise invasion, taking out key positions, roads, bridges, and ports; then an all out invasion! Do it overnight, and this could be over in a week or two. It is long overdue!
If Obama did that, the GOP would want a Congressonial hearing on how it was going to be paid for, and when did he know it, what was he told, etc etc etc.
Get a clue, we cannot afford another war, we don't have the troops. Maybe you can convince the YELLOW ELEPHANTS to join up. Good luck with that, those cowards just pound the keyboard.
If they did a surprise attack, the South Koreans could have hundreds of thousand troops there within an hour! They could lock him down in a couple of days, easily!
Dale. Next time you see your crack dealer pick some up for me.
hahaa dale-history repeating itself? wasn't vietnam supposed to go like that?
@MC Gusto,
"Dale. Next time you see your crack dealer pick some up for me."
Actually no self respecting Crackhead would allow themself to think like that. Meth-Heads on the other hand...........
@@!$%#_you,
"hahaa dale-history repeating itself? wasn't vietnam supposed to go like that?"
Be gentle..................Dale is just slow. That's all
Everyone here seems to believe that North Korea is weak and easily conquered. I would like to point out that they have been arming for fifty years, with the assistance and armaments of the Chinese. I seriously doubt that they it would be a simple matter to defeat them. And this is predicated on the theory that China would not step in and have their back.
The reasons North Korea can afford to be so belligerant have a lot to do with their Chinese backing, and a lot more to do with their military might. Their people may be hungry, but their military is not. They pour every dime into their military machine. They would be very formidable in war.
They also hold South Korea hostage. They could wipe out 25 million people in a matter of minutes. There would be nothing anyone could do to prevent that annihilation. The world might retaliate. North Korea might cease to exist, but South Korea would also cease to exist, and a lot of other people in the region would also suffer untold consequences. What about Japan?
Chris pointed out many of the errors of thinking being posted here. Obviously, many did not read his post, or they chose not to believe what they didn't want to know. Have we forgotten how badly the first Korean War played out? We didn't actually achieve victory, no matter what the war hawks would like to believe. And that was before North Korea had nuclear weapons. It was before they had hardened sites all over the country. North Korea is not Iraq. Their sound and fury signifies a great deal.
I'm not sure what the answer might be, but assuming we can take them on without dire consequences for the free world is naive at best, criminally stupid at worst.
@underemployed,
"Everyone here seems to believe that North Korea is weak and easily conquered" - Nope you are not even close to the truth. Only Dale seems to think that it's so simple.
I would learn how to feed yourselves before starting your world conquest.
Alone there not a threat to us at all. But they have China!!
That worries us.
Actually the don't. China would not come to their aid or defense.
How do you know Rex?
That's funny rex the last launch china warned us and Japan not to intervene.. If my memory serves me right.
Being a Korean, born in South Korea, I can say that the people of SK are not easily impressed by NK (at least according to my childhood). The key to any hope of a sustained war against SK would have to be helped by China. NK does not have the resources to feed / arm with modern weaponry. It is just not available to them. If NK went to war, they would have more losses to defection than to KIA.
Of course, this could all just be the speculations of someone who was probably subjected to a lot of anti-NK propaganda as a child. While *I* believe in my comment, others may not. Just my 2c
Sustainability of a war or not, feasibility of NK being able to carry out its threats against SK and the rest of the world or not, it would still be tragic to see NK actually attempt to carry out their threats.
Tragic, yes, but maybe a good thing in the long run too. It could be the straw that breaks North Korea's back, ushering in an end to this paranoid, swaggering, blustering regime, and a chance at rebuilding and reunification.
South Koreans are changing their tune about North Korea's military prowess. Things like the sinking of the state-of-the-art ASW corvette Chongnan was one of the reasons why. The North Koreans have a number of advanced diesel-electric subs that can lie on the bottom of the Yellow Sea or Sea of Japan for weeks or months, rising only when a suitable target comes in range. The fact that the ROKN is helpless to retaliate really hits home with the South Koreans since they have been going on for 60 years and there has never been a successful retaliation in kind.
Younger South Koreans are even turning against reunification. They watched as Germany struggled to absorb East Germany with its idle and poorly educated and skilled workers, massive pollution problems, and rusted out factories. North Korea is even worse with its non-existent industry outside of military production and its total lack of educated or skilled workers. Malnutrition has taken such a toll on NK that the average North Korean is about 15+ IQ points lower than the average South Korean and over an inch shorter. Absorbing the North Korean economy would bankrupt South Korea. What younger South Koreans are working with is finding a solution to what appears to be a stalemate that has lasted longer than most of them have been alive.
Chris, thank you for once again sharing something that is lacking on these vines: real world experience and common sense in these matters. Most people (myself included) have no idea what goes on in that part of the world, but are happy to throw out simple one-line solutions to complex, decades-old problems.
I believe they have been at war since at least 1950, the Korean Armistice stopped the fighting but didn't end the war. Should North Korea attack South Korea then do whatever it takes to end the war once and for all.
Message to Kim Jong-un: We have a tube of SPF 5000 that you're going to need for that bright flash that will be coming if you throw as much as one rock south. Questions, you fat little dirt bag?
What the hell do you care about North-South Korea ? Jokers like you cannot even find the place on a map! Besides, you talk like this is some kind of Action Movie !
Hey Quarantine--not only have I been to S. Korea--I was wearing a Marine Corps uniform when I step foot there....training south of the DMZ! The only uniform you've probably ever worn was when you worked at McDonalds. Never too late to grow a pair!
It's almost like the young, Kim Jong Un, after getting his position and getting married, feels like he has to prove his manly powers. This proves how immature he is and how dangerous the consequences can be.
Especially dangerous for him!! He doesn't seem to think through what the consequences for North Korea would be if he pulled such a stunt. It's not the 50s anymore you little twerp!!
maybe he should have a brooder house full of kids with his wife, then he may rethink the kind of future he wants for his kids.....probably not though
Humans sent to the slaughter as though they were lambs, all in the name of what? your ability to vaporize entire cities? by treaty we will be forced to defend South Korea, there's only one way this can end, and it's not good for the north koreans.
Dear North Korea;
Please find and suck the largest d--k you can.
The Sane World
DPRK = Deranged People Ready to Kill
We are still looking for a place to store all our nuclear waste from the nuclear power plants in this country - guess North Korea might be a good place to start.
I'm confused why did the Western make trouble for DPRK, what weapons they would use to destroy the U.S?
Their primitive rocket and nuke bomb?