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Subscribe to RSSA fire broke out early Sunday morning at a night club in Santa Maria, in southern Brazil, killing revelers — many of them students. NBC's Mike Taibbi reports.
Updated at 1:23 a.m. ET: At least 233 people were killed after a band’s fireworks show sparked a rapidly moving fire in a packed nightclub in southern Brazil and fleeing patrons were unable to find their way out, local police said.
The bodies removed from the Kiss nightclub in the southern city of Santa Maria were taken to the Municipal Sports Center gymnasium for identification, police said.
Major Gerson da Rosa Ferreira, who led rescue efforts at the scene for the military police, told Reuters that the victims died of asphyxiation or from being trampled.
Police Maj. Cleberson Braida Bastianello told the Associated Press by telephone that the toll had risen to 233 with the death of a hospitalized victim.
Officials earlier counted 232 bodies that had been brought to the gymnasium in Santa Maria.
In addition to the number of deaths, more than 100 people were injured, police said, and most remain hospitalized. Police officials had reported earlier in the day that 245 people were killed. The death toll could still rise, police said later, from the people who are injured.
Fire brigade colonel Guido Pedroso de Melo told O Globo newspaper that rescuers had difficulty entering the premises because of "a barrier of bodies" at the entrance to the club.
Television footage monitored by Reuters overnight showed people crying outside the club as shirtless firefighters used sledge hammers and axes to knock down an exterior wall to open up an exit.
Agencia RBS via AP
People help a man injured in a nightclub fire in Santa Maria city, Brazil, on Sunday.
Rodrigo Moura, who the newspaper Diario de Santa Maria identified as a security guard at the club, said it was at its capacity of between 1,000 and 2,000 people and patrons were pushing and shoving to escape, the AP reported. Police estimated the crowd at some 900 revelers.
Fire officials said at least one exit was locked and that club bouncers, who at first thought those fleeing were trying to skip out on bar tabs, initially blocked patrons from leaving, Reuters reported.
The club's management said in a statement it would help authorities with their investigation, Reuters reported.
One of the club's owners has surrendered to police for questioning, GloboNews TV reported.
"It was really fast. There was a lot of smoke, really dark smoke," survivor Aline Santos Silva, 29, told Globonews TV. "We were only able to get out quickly because we were in a VIP area close to the door."
President Dilma Rousseff cut short a visit to Chile and visited families of the victims at the Municipal Sports Center, where relatives were gathering to identify the bodies. She met with relatives of the injured at Hospital de Caridade de Santa Maria.
Rousseff declared a national three-day mourning period for victims of the fire.
“Sad Sunday!” Tarso Genro, the governor of Rio Grande do Sul state where the club is located, tweeted. “We are taking all of the possible and appropriate actions,” the tweet read, according to a rough translation by NBC News. “I will be in Santa Maria later this morning.”
The precise cause of the fire was still under investigation, authorities said. But Luiza Sousa, a civil police official in Santa Maria, told Reuters that the blaze started when someone with the band ignited what was described as a flare, which then set fire to the ceiling. The fire spread "in seconds," Sousa said.
The tragedy in Brazil recalled other nightclub disaster. A fire in West Warwick, Rhode Island, in 2003 killed 100 people after pyrotechnics used on stage by the rock band Great White set ablaze foam used for soundproofing on the walls. A Buenos Aires nightclub blaze in 2004 killed nearly 200 people.
Reuters noted that Brazil's safety standards and emergency response capabilities are under particular scrutiny as the country prepares to host the 2014 World Cup soccer tournament and the 2016 Summer Olympics.
The Brazilian state’s Health secretary, Ciro Simoni, told the news service that emergency medical supplies from all over the state were being sent to the scene.
Reuters and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Santa Maria is in the State of Rio Grande do Sul, the last Brazilian state to the South. I'm an American living in this region and unfortunately, little emphasis is put on safety in this country as a whole. Health codes, building codes, driving rules are either non-existent or not adhered to. Officials can easily be paid off and the result is tragedy. We have our share fair of accidents and tragedies in the U.S. but here it's negligence and thoughtlessness. It's a very sad day for so many lost lives and for the families and friends of the lost. The 3rd world will remain 3rd world until the mentality and corruption changes. Codes, laws and rules have to be in place to prevent these things.
Unfortunately, I'm reminded of the Great White tragedy that happened here in the states a few years ago. So many lives lost, for no reason other than ignorance. I hate to say it, but 3rd world has little to do with it, though I understand your frustration. It's simple, human, arrogance. That's a global issue Think.
Santa Maria as a college city should be less corrupt. Is that just innocent of me?
The real problem is that fire inspectors are paid off by clubs and that the clubs themselves do not have trained staff that would inform bands that NO fires or pyrotechnics on stage. If the band tries to engage in anything that would start a fire, the plug would be pulled.
It doesn't happen though...clubs let bands play and do what they want and fire officials don't do inspections as long as they are paid off.
Que pena.
180 dead people = 180 new job openings.
180 new law suits!
Think Wise, unfortunately I have to agree. Im am a Brazilian living(legally) in the STATES and the reasons you listed in your comment was the reasons that made me leave my beautiful country.
Republicans would love this! No regulations, and instead, market forces will simply put this nightclub out of business. No worries! Profitprofitprofitprofit.
Dear Think Wise, unfortunately I have to agree. Im am a Brazilian living (legally) in the STATES and the reasons you listed in your comment was the reasons that made me leave my beautiful Country.
Brasil is a third world country trying to act like a first world country.
Jake2247 : Market forces didn't put the nightclub out of business, a tragic fire did.
Business' are in business to make a profit, not to feed welfare leeches & societies bottom feeders.
It's the foot tapper party in Washington that think companies and working people should give their money to leeches.
Dirty Panties Lover, I wouldn't expect anything less from you.
Jake2247, Really? You're going to bring American Politics into this tragedy?
Tom, the name of the country is Brazil, not Brasil. If you are going to insult a people at least get the name of their country right. No one can ever accuse you of having any class. Just another arrogant American.
My condolences to all the families involved in what must be a nightmare for them. May God help you all throughout your grief and pain.
Well unfortunately most of the world is not on the same standards on caring for human life of its own citizens as united states. Only if US helped other countries move towards similar standards and actually cared for all people with same standard as its own citizens!
brazil needs to seriously consider banning fire. banning fire of any kind needs to be seriously considered. how many more senseless deaths have to occur at the hands of evil people starting fires? if it wasnt for fire, these 180 or more people would still be alive. if brazil bans fire from everyone, then there will be no deaths at the hands of fire ever again.
this is really the only smart thing to do. wont someone think of the children?
PJ, you couldn't be more wrong. The USA talks a good game but when push comes to shove, the only thing the USA is concerned about is money. The American Dream is nothing more than capitalism. Americans have no respect for themselves, and none for people around the world.
My condolences to all who lost loved ones in this tragedy.
it's the 21st century. there is no excuse for not having simple building codes and occupancy limits based on area of structure and exits. The gov. has failed. unfortunately it takes a tragedy to get people to do what they knew they should have long ago. If it were up to me, pyrotechnic shows would only be allowed out doors or in buildings with proper sprinkler systems. period. A little common sense avoids mountains of tragedy.
Hey Jake Grow up,you are what give democrats a bad name,blind bashing.
God Bless those Poor Family's,what a tragic unnecessary Accident .
Hum, The Chuckster-2840003, thanks for standing up to Brasil, but the name is BraSil, in Portuguese. It may not be in English, but then again, we don't speak English down here. :)
It only took 9 comments for someone to slam Republicans and about 20 to bring guns (banning fire) into the conversation. Surprised it didn't take less. My condolences to the 250 and still counting.
Kudos to you Joey Bo ! ... There are too many - way too many people - who NEED to nurture the boogey-man image of Republicans to keep feeding their narcissistic over-blown saintly self-image.
... my condolences as well for all those who died and to their familes.
Sorry to hear that this has happened
Think Wise, I have to agree with you. I am an American living in Rio and seeing all kinds of "Safety" violations. I know one thing for sure that if there are any law suits their children's, children's will hear the case. The court systems here are backed up for a very long time.
This country must straighten up before the World Cup and the Olympics comes to their country..
When will people learn - you CANNOT set off pyrotechnics inside?
Condolences to the families. This is a tragedy which could have been averted.
Luk Athayde, I stand corrected and I aplolize. I was thinking American. Of course, it is, Brasil! Have never been there but I have seen many, many pictures and it looks beautiful.
Que tengas muy buen dia mi nuevo amigo Brasileño.
Well, I am a Brazilian from the nearby state of Parana, and I lived in the US for quite a long time. It´s sad to read some of the opinions, but unfortunately I have to agree with some, especially Think Wise´s words. People here don´t seem to care about safety anywhere: on the roads, at constructions sites, inside of public buildings... And there´s so much corruption that allows a lot of wrongdoing to happen. You can, for example, get an operating license through a bribe, even if your establishment disrespect all kinds of law - everything in the sake the well known old saying "money talks". Definetely, a whole lot of changes need to take place before the World Cup and the Olympics! I´m scared of how ashaming those events might be.
*shameful, not ashaming... LOL
Anything to make a political jab eh? Please seek counseling.
DirtyPantiesLover....love the name and the photo....
jake2247 (1.8)
"Republicans would love this!"
Yes, Republicans would love this nearly as much as democrats loved Sandy Hook!
So what is it??? 180 or 245...make up your mind MSNBC....
Chuckster , you weren't "thinking" at all , typical arrogant and mis-informed foreigner
The Chuckster-2840003- I'm glad you apologized * it was a nice attempt to speak the language in return, but we do not speak Spanish in Brasil. We speak Portuguese.. Confusing the two is a bit insulting for a lot of Brasilians. :) However, you are always welcome to visit our beautiful country. Just stay out of the nightclubs...
You know,posters here keep on saying to"ban pyro inside a building"as a 'tounge in cheek' poke at the anti-gun people who think regulating something will make criminals,or idiots obey the law....,and are being bashed for it...Ban pyro indoors..It's not really a bad idea...Even here in the U.S.....On an outdoor venue where there is no ceiling,like in a stadium,fine,have your pyro/light show.....but for indoor events where there is a ceiling,and people are in a confined space,Pyro SHOULD be banned...Do all the outrageous light shows you want inside,but leave the flammable stuff for outdoors....The bottom line is; Pyro/guns/cars/swimming pools/jet ski's/baby cribs/table saws/ can all hurt you,or get you killed if common sense is not used...........U.S. Army Disabled Veteran.
Think Wise, I, too understand your frustration but has already been noted the problem is not nationality nor location. The problem is people.
I live in Northern Wisconsin and am constantly appalled that ". . . .little emphasis is put on safety in this country as a whole. Health codes, building codes, driving rules are either non-existent or not adhered to."
I have yet to find any municipal officials, including police, willing to do their job and enforce state laws and local ordinances. I have tendered written complaints which include the specific laws and/or ordinances which are being violated. I have rarely succeeded in getting enforcement. Indeed, in one instance, the response of the city council was to abolish one of the ordinances in question. The arrogance is appalling. Just 2 days ago I watched a local cop blast through a school zone just as the kids were being dismissed. He has to be going at least 30 mph.
I have concluded pretty much everyone is on the take. I expect the same is true in Brazil.
I'm in the construction contracting business. The plan review by the local fire marshal for Architectural drawings is critical as well as on site inspection by his office during construction. Fire prevention science is always improving if implemented correctly. The Rhode Island tragedy could have been mitigated if the owners had not locked a pair of egress doors on the side.
There also needs to be a material review for performance stages. If highly combustible material is used behind the stage, then Pyrotechnics cannot be used. These stage designers are not structural engineers and they are not fireproofing engineers. Why do they ignore the science and let people die for their own ignorant arrogance. Hire a consultant for God's sake!
"third world country" - has nothing to do with it. Example - Station fire.
This is not a political issue, a societal issue or a 'fire kills so let's stupidly ban fires' issue. You only have to be slightly smarter than a doorknob to know that an open flame of ANY kind can be dangerous in a crowded, closed environment. But a flare is beyond stupid. In any country, in any language.
Another terrible and preventable tragedy.
The next time you hear someone in the US bitching about building codes and fire marshals and laws and regulations -
Reread this story. Or the one involving Great White in Rhode Island.
Again, a preventable tragedy.
Plus, word is that the security staff at the club wasn't letting people leave while the fire was burning until they paid their bills.
Ah, humanity and the dollar.
Prepare the attorneys, I suppose. This should be interesting to watch.
Jackie, the Olympics will not bring shame to you or your fellow countrymen and women . I am sure your Country will be ready by the time the Olympics come and I am looking forward to learning new and exciting things from your culture. Have a nice day.
That's way too many people to be in one building anyway. Guess we have to start banning nightclubs now.
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No one wants NO regulation jake, pull your head out.
lol ItisWhat,
We already regulate them... tightly. Legal Codes and Enforcement works.
This is a good example of why regulation of nightclubs, fires, and anything particularly life threatening (ahem) is a GOOD thing.
Reminiscent of The Station nightclub fire ten years ago, the fourth deadliest nightclub fire in American history, killing 100 people. It was caused by pyrotechnics set off by the tour manager of the band, Great White, and immediately ignited flammable sound insulation foam in the walls and ceilings surrounding the stage. The fire engulfed the club in 5½ minutes. 230 people were injured and 132 escaped uninjured.
John Athondoe, misinformed maybe, I'm not South American, but arrogant, I don't agree with you. I think your reading comprehension is not something to be desired but to each his own. I could also speak to you in Apache but your wouldn't like what I have to say to you in that language.
Not a black and white issue, thank your for the invitation. Also, I wasn't trying to speak your language in return, I was speaking min and trying to be friendly. I speak three languages fluently, English, Spanish, & Apache. Believe me when I say I really didn't mean no disrespect.
You would think that history would not repeat itself with the equipment used. How many have to die before we will get the clue on what no to use. Its like we don't put a stop sign up until someone dies at a intersection. How many lives would saved if people would listen around the world.
Why do we have disrespectful people in here talking politics when it has nothing to do with the story. There is other places for that. THE ELECTION IS OVER!!!!!
@#1.10 and #1.13
Before you taunt Brazil about being a third world country and no respect for the human right for its citizen, you should reflect the Great White fire in Rhodes in 2003 which occurred under a similar circumstance.
The fire was an accident and social tragedy.
To be fair the important part of the name is bra and he got that part right.
@ Swan37 here in Brasil we write it Brasil but it sounds like Brazil but with a softer "Z" that sounds like "S". Americans love calling it BRAZIL with a hard "Z" as in this story written by the reporter. It sound so much better when a Brasilian says it. Their accent with the American language sounds so beautiful. I am an American living in Brazil...lol
Personally, I think "Brasil" works just fine...and particularly so if you're actually speaking to a resident of the country. This is how it is officially spelled in the country itself: República Federativa do Brasil.
For illustration, I'll use it in a sentence for you: If I were a terrorist, I'd be looking for ways to attack "BRASIL" during the Olympics...because when else would I ever get a better chance?
Wonder if the half a tribute band they call Kiss had stock in this place? Think Wise,all those things you mentioned are alive and well right here in the U S not just there.
Enneagram1
If you actually read the story you won't have to waste your time reminding people of something they just read about.
Some idiot set off a flare, in a crowded nightclub. People died. Brazil, America weeps with you.
Possibly 200 hurt. 245 Deceased. How big was this place? Was it over capacity? Not enough exits for 400-500 people? So sad and horrifying. Young people, having a good time and lives cut short. Thoughts and prayers for all the families left behind.
Most of the people probably died from the trampling. A few years ago in China, there was a false alarm going off in a mall. Thousands of Chinese people panicked and pushed others out of the way. Over a hundred people died from trampling.
"Some stupid with a flare gun, burned the place to the ground...Smoke on the water...fire in the sky"
To paraphrase Charles Santayana- Those who do not learn from the mistakes of history, are doomed to repeat them...
Better still, require all Club Partiers to carry automatic weapons so they can blast their way out in an emergency.
Clearly, Brazil needs a Second Amendment.
Happiness is a warm gun.
I am so sorry. I didn't mean to offend you.
Before entering any crowded Event, know where the Exits are---stay close to them--
Fire, explosions, and the kooks who massacre here in the US---if you feel the place is "not right"; gut feeling; do not patronize that place.
Too bad people all over the World have to live in Fear--Am sure the Brazilians are not up to Code on Standards for such awful happenings, neither are some of the American Night Clubs "Paid Off to the ER responders", for overcrowding-----it happened at the Cocabana Night Club many, many years ago---when most of us were not on earth yet. http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Cocaban+night+club+fire&mid=AF15CC08E50B9D0AF0B7AF15CC08E50B9D0AF0B7&view=detail&FORM=VIRE2
Condolences to all the families who lost loved ones. What a way to die. Young and atrocious circumstances.
Chuckster: "Brazil spelled with a “z” is common usage in English-speaking countries, which many Brazilians find irritating. The proper spelling is Brasil with an 's'."
John Haddock, could you please have an original thought, that "ban ****" is so overused? I know it makes you and your ilk feel clever and witty, but it's just showing your lack of creativity and abundance of ignorance. As for you and your friends who feel the need to let your American political bullshot flood over into a tragedy in another country, give that a rest, too. You're the reason the term "ugly American" was coined.
By the way, your ignorance of basic English grammar and punctuation rules shows your educational ignorance, too, but, then, I'm guessing that's the fault of the liberal American education system...? Crawl back under your rock.
Condolences to the victims of this tragedy, and to their families.
justwonderin
Actually indoor pyro is very safe when done properly, when was the last time you heard of a fire at a major concert or a Broadway production. The problem is when rookies and amateurs try to be heroes and don't know what they are doing. The station was a prime example and so is this. indoor pyro is very tightly regulated. In a proper venue like a real theater or concert halls that have high ceilings and fire retardant fittings these things don't happen. No flares of pre-manufacured pyrotechnics are used. Everything is very carefully weighed as far as lift charges and stars. The type of display stars used are very limited because many of the outdoor pyrotechnics give off poisonous gases and burn to hot for indoor use. Think of a Kiss concert or AC/DC with the propane cannon. Once in a very rare while a performer gets hurt because they lose their time and or place bearings and get burned by a firing pot. The pyro is part of a choreographed show. A bar or nightclub is no place for pyrotechnics of any kind unless it has a high ceiling, has been inspected and approved by the fire marshal and is set up and fired by a professional that knows exactly what they are doing. When done properly tragedies like this and The Station don't happen.
Yes, someone comes in and blames the republicans for this- typical party of hate, spewing nonsense in an article that has nothing to do with politics in our country no less.
Why do these bands always think it's a good idea to launch fireworks in an enclosed building?
I agree most pyrotechnics are safe but this was a flare. Who in their right mind thinks a flare is a safe thing to set off for a pyrotechnics show. Maybe every show that will have them needs to be examined and deemed safe by someone who is a professional and then not deviated from and if they do deviate huge fines should be given. They should also have to pay a very large fee for the process to begin with. Then most would probably not use them. Open flame should never be an option in a public place especially one with so many people. The article doesn't say whether the band members got out or not. The man who set off the flare will have to live with the deaths of 245+ people and 200+ wounded of which many probably won't survive and many will be maimed for life. God Bless him as well as the lost.
bobina519
Indoor pyro is already very tightly regulated in the US, only pro's do it, The Station was an anomaly caused by a moron who broke the law.
It is amazing how many people talk about the need for the Government to step in and Regulate what should be Common Sense. I know that I should not be setting off fireworks inside of my home. Damn. What has happened to people in the world?
If any of the victims knew there were going to be fireworks inside, and stayed anyway, then......For those victims who did not know, I am so sorry for them.....
To all of the asshats on here talking about politics, "first world", "third world", I repeat, "damn" - Common Sense.
Well think wise, in the good old us of a more than one out of a hundred is in jail! Which is worse? I think that brazil is better. What is two hundred or so compared to thousands. There is no contest, brazil has the less loss of humanity. Which is the third world?
Ban nightclubs, lighters, matches, cigarettes and crowded dance floors -- because they cause fires that kill people. (/sarcasm)
The country had nothing to do with it. The United States had two similar incidents where dozens of people died in stampedes within week of each other ten years ago. The only reason why the Rhode Island tragedy wasn't as big as this one is because the club was smaller and therefore had fewer people. It was also a weekday, so there were fewer people there than on a weekend.
Might be time for bands to rethink their "setting off pyrotechnics in a small club with a low ceiling policy."
IWonder....are you joking, or ARE you a joke? Do you just not care how idiotic you make yourself look as long as you THINK you are making the United States look bad? (newsflash...only YOU looked bad from your comment.)
Brazil NEEDS more people in jail. Their country is so overrun with crime that when The Simpsons did an episode about going to Brazil, and they showed lots of crime, and kidnappings as if it is an every day occurrence, the Brazilian government only took issue with them showing monkeys. The CRIME was fine. they had no problem with them showing the crime (since they know it is so bad.) but they were upset at the notion that there were monkeys running around the country.
Since you are a pathetic little b*tch...go to Brazil, carry around some cash, and let it be known that you are an American. See how long you last.
I'm sorry where is Brazil again? do they speak English or French?
Brazil is in South America, we speak Portuguese.
Apparently, nightclubs didn't get the message about using pyrotechnics.
Maybe Mr. Obama could slip in some comments about this tradegy at his next photo-op since he talks about other pending court cases and sports.
You know what... There are issues in every country when it comes to trying to keep citizens safe but the U.S. TRYS to keep everyones standards of safety up, no one is perfect but you cannot say that we don't try!!! Our fire departments and police are second to NONE and the majority of people try to do the right thing. Our government is not perfect but you cannot compare ours to others! People that trash talk instead of trying to help are our biggest problem! I'm sure all of you that are complaining about corruption, big government and the like are some of the lying, cheating stealing, trying to get around the system folks that cause the break down of our progress! You still cannot talk us down when comparing us to other countries! Our hearts are always in the right place even if we cannot always get everyone headed in the right direction all the time! I'm damn proud to be an American and no amount of crap talk could convince me to be otherwise, even with Obama as our president at the moment.
WTF? Shirtless firefighters? I think they meant to say shirtless patrons fighting the fire. Let's hope their firefighters are equipped with heat resistant clothing.
Sorry, but I have to agree with jake2247 in 1.8. This is what the Tea Party has in mind with no taxes and no laws. Perhaps Darwinism is a conservative ideology after all. In America we've already heard stories of ambulances diverted because the occupants had no insurance or firefighters watching houses burn because the owners didn't pay a local fire department "fee." Yes, this is exactly what they are thinking of - no regulation.
PJ...
You may wish that the US would provide more to foreighn countries, but why? How many times have you read about funds given to foreign nations only to see those funds diverted by that country to other things? Nations that refuse to codify basic standards of living and their enforcement are the ones that need to step up to the plate.
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Horse you rode in on...
How ridiculous, no taxes and no laws?? You wish! One thing for sure is that the liberal bent in this country has more to do with creating laws that try to control all levels of human endeavor, rather than just create laws to define socially acceptable actions.
As for your little firefighter story, nice try, but the homeowner made the decision to not support the fire dept and the community created the law that defined who qualified for fire protection.
Why not take your argument to the next level... Your vehicle needs gas so you can go to work, but you foolishly spent your money elsewhere. Should the gas station now provide you with free gas?
"Apache"...hahaha
dead language , like Latin , or Mayan , useless today , thanks for the thought though
The roof, the roof, the roof is on fire...SERIOUSLY!
What is wrong with you? Hundreds of lives were lost tragically and you're making light of it with a ridiculous joke? You are dispicable.
Oh please. You don't care about those people any more than he does. At least he doesn't pretend to.
Joe, the only lack of "caring" that you know for sure is your own. Your comment is stupid and insensitive too.
What's going to happen when Brazi hosts the Olympics.
They'll put on a good show for the world and then when the eyes are off of them, it'll be back to business as always.
brazil needs to seriously consider banning fire. banning fire of any kind needs to be seriously considered. how many more senseless deaths have to occur at the hands of evil people starting fires? if it wasnt for fire, these 180 or more people would still be alive. if brazil bans fire from everyone, then there will be no deaths at the hands of fire ever again.
this is really the only smart thing to do. wont someone think of the children?
I'm with jlanders, Al Bundy is a total insensitive jerk. Joe, you are in the same boat. I guess your parents failed to teach your dumb a$$es anything about respect and it shows in your ignorant comments. John Haddock, your are a gun enthusiast idiot, aren't you? I get it Moron. People who read this blogs from other countries, please don't think all Americans are as stupid as these three clowns are.
AlBundy's comment is the epitome of everything that is wrong with American society. Get a clue, please!
we in America have our share of problems, but it's our Country and wouldnt want to live anywhere else.
Name a place where it doesn't happen.
they should have been playing"burn baby burn ,disco inferno" ! as they torched the club
That classic tune, maybe the best song of the disco era is, "Disco Inferno", by The Trammps
With a name like AlBundy I would expect nothing but inappropriate comments, they go hand in hand with the name. Wrong thread for it but actually a great choice for a name if you don't want to post seriously.
Condolences to the families and friends who lost loved ones in the fire.
Hopefully the idiot in the band that set off the fireworks perished in the fire for his stupidity.
r.i.p
Condolences to the families and friends who lost loved ones in the fire.
Hopefully the idiot in the band that set off the fireworks perished in the fire for his stupidity.
This also happened in the United States a few years ago, also because a band used pyrotechnics. Please please, let's learn from this! We send our love and support to the many grieving families and friends.
NY Governor Andrew Cuomo has announced sweeping legislation to outlaw Night Clubs. While in Maryland, Governor Martin O'Malley has proposed a law limiting night clubs to 10 occupants.
satire...
Pathetic satire. You're just another self centered ignorant a**.
I got it and was funny. This is why I love The Onion, they bright chuckles to a crazy ass world.
rudeboi, 180 people perished in a fire and you want bright chuckles? I'm with you Mike076, what the hell is wrong with people? I don't get it. The lack of empathy is so disturbing. No wonder peoplefrom elsewhere think Americans are arrogant and total jerks. Unfortunately, by reading some of these comments, apparently some are.
brazil needs to seriously consider banning fire. banning fire of any kind needs to be seriously considered. how many more senseless deaths have to occur at the hands of evil people starting fires? if it wasnt for fire, these 180 or more people would still be alive. if brazil bans fire from everyone, then there will be no deaths at the hands of fire ever again.
this is really the only smart thing to do. wont someone think of the children?
Come on. You can't expect empathy from everybody for every human tragedy that occurs. We learn of death and destruction on a daily basis in our society. It's a survival instinct to be able to dismiss this type of stuff. If we were all crippled with empathy every time we were informed of one of these tragedies the human race would be and even more perpetually depressed and dysfunctional then it already is. And comedy and tragedy have gone together like poor taste and righteous indignation since humans have existed.
How about laws banning pyrotechnics in Nightclubs, the equivalent of universal background checks to keep criminals and mentally ill from buying guns.
Oh, I'm sorry Brian. You are right. Let's all have a great big laugh at everyone elses expense only because you say. I don't think so Brian. There is this little thing called respect for others but I don't expect you to agree with it.
You love attention, don't you?
Did I say 'Let's all' anything? Kind of the point. Not all people react the same so don't expect everyone to share your same emotions on the subject. For me personally my anger at the fact that no one said "this is not a good idea" will far outlast my grief for the anonymous(for me) victims. So should I go on this board and expect everyone to be as pissed as me that people can't seem to learn even the simplest lessons for history? No I expect to see just what I'm seeing a mix of condolences, my type of anger, trolls and the inevitable comedic reaction to tragedy. People...what are you going to do...
"satire..."
Right Wingers are not too good at it.
chicity1010, not as much as you love cock up your a$$. I said respect for others in tragic situations but not for morons like yourself. There is a difference , belive it or not. You done Chinchi Perodo?
Chuckster. You just lost your dignity.
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Right Wingers are not too good at it."
They're doing it wrong.
AlBunny, you are a pathetic little man!
This kind of thing happening over and over again all around the world and its cost so many lives now its sicking. You'd think with the advent of the internet that these people would learn how to properly use these pyrotechnics safely if at all. What kind of building codes do they have too? A flare sets off the ceiling (roof) and it spreads in seconds?
Now with the Olympics coming to Rio I wonder just how safe people will truly be with the way the country is run. Bribes being paid to just about everyone (if you believe what is in the news about the country) Shoddy building practices, corrupt officials, you just cant make this stuff up.
My condolences to the families of the people who lost their lives to this tragedy. They were out for a good time and put there trust in a nigh club to keep them safe and this is what happens. What will it be like when they have all the people there for the Olympics, I really wonder and worry for those people who dare to go there.
For the Olympics everything will be up to par, no country wants an international black eye due to corruption and shoddy safety practices, when the Olympics are over it will be back to business as usual.
Ban nightclubs, crowded dance floors, matches, lighters and cigarettes -- they cause fires that kill people!
Sadly thats how all nightclubs are built in my experience. I went to some in my town and they were little more than windowless, doorless basements with one entrance, never went again. I guess the danger gives partygoers the extra rush. Sad.
Let's ban nightclubs.
Don't give Obama any ideas
I've got a better idea. Let's ban stupid posters like you.
yeah, they kill people, one way or another; shootings outside a night club,fights inside the club, drunk drivers using cell phones after leaving a club, yep ban em
noooo lets ban TROLLS
Chris, what in the world are you thinking? This is not about American politics. It is a sad story about innocent people who died for absolutely the wrong reasons. Try having a little empathy.
brazil needs to seriously consider banning fire. banning fire of any kind needs to be seriously considered. how many more senseless deaths have to occur at the hands of evil people starting fires? if it wasnt for fire, these 180 or more people would still be alive. if brazil bans fire from everyone, then there will be no deaths at the hands of fire ever again.
this is really the only smart thing to do. wont someone think of the children?
If you are going to have bands/concerts that use pyrotechnics, hold the event outside or in a open air stadium.
It's not rocket science or brain surgery, it's common sense. Another senseless tragedy! How many more
times does this have to happen? Hey, lets light some fireworks off inside a building and see what happens!
Stupid is, as stupid does!
Badger1
I agree with you 100% but and this is a huge but,
Common sense has disappeared I'm afraid never to be heard from again! At least that's what it seems like all over this little planet we all try to share.
If they could "Teach" common sense in schools it would be a fantastic thing but alas common sense is something that to few people end up having let alone understanding and that's a fact!
If common sense were used every day by the majority of people, young and old alike, events like this one would be a thing of the past. But I'm afraid it will only get worse, common sense is gone as are morals, honesty, and so many other things that we used to cherish and revere in our daily lives.
Feel free to add to my small list of things missing from society. All I ask though is that you use common sense when writing it down, yuck yuck...
Ban pyrotechnics in nightclubs. Your satire falls flat.
HairMetalRocket
Tell that to Obama and all the others using the death of 20 kids for their petty cause. Or do you support him in THAT instance of lack of empathy? The truth is, if that one subject, guns, weren't blown out of proportion, people wouldn't be making these snide comments here. I, for one, am tired of the hypocrisy. 300 killed by so called assault weapons a year, ban them! 250 killed in one fire. Well, these things happen, let's just feel a moment of sorrow and move on. Eh? No. These poor people died because of impaired thinking from drinking and misuse of a deadly weapon (fire). There is nothing wrong with pyro displays--in an OUTSIDE environment. Doing it indoors is murder.
lets ban all bans!bans are stupid ,if you don't like it just dont buy it ,go to it ,or just avoid it !
I agree if banning nightclubs could save just one life we have to try.
BAN FIRE! Brazilians and Fire do not mix well. Take they're matches away. Will this be on CNN for the entire month like Sandybrook?
cowtowntrucker
yeah, they kill people, one way or another; shootings outside a night club,fights inside the club, drunk drivers using cell phones after leaving a club, yep ban em
At first I thought why bring politic's it to this terrible event, but after thinking a bit about he's right. I'll bet if we looked into this in one way or another Bar's and night club's would be responcible for more death's and injury's than gun's could ever be in the USA! We have them because people enjoy them. Well people enjoy there firearm's too! I have to say tit for tat if you take firearm's take bar's too! Ban them!
Old Pirate,
Go back to school and start over. Learn English.
I am sure how superficial has been the international media about emerging economies in tract up differences over everything else. Brazil's going to shut your prejudiced mouth in World Cup and Olympics.
I had no idea Great White was on tour in Brazil.
Hey Joe Scatone...........I had no idea what an A**hole you are !!!
"razor55 Hey Joe Scatone...........I had no idea what an A**hole you are !!"
Then you have not been paying attention as this is not the first time he has shown his back side which seems to be mounted on his face as that is what he is talking out of!
Boo hoo hoo cry us a river Razor and Soauman...
There will ALWAYS be comments like Joe's because it is entertaining to see how fast you people get your panties in a bind lol
Anyone who takes a comment made online seriously and gets upset over it is a total moron who needs to get a life
Not upset here, just stating fact!
Joe..you are a complete @!$%#, two of my close friends died at the Station, i was only 6 miles away from this when it started..sitting at home watching the news and hearing the sirens..
John Smith, I guess I'm safe to say that you find these stupid comments people make amusing? I can also safely say that you are also guilty at one time or another of making despicable comments about people who perish in such a tragic way? It offends people who were brought up with respect for others. Obviously, long before your time. It shows a lack of character also Moron, something you know very little of. No John, I beg to differ, the ones that need to get a life are scumbags like Joe Scatone who looks like a little punk to me in his Avatar. By condoning his bullshiite comments you aren't not too far behind yourself.
brazil needs to seriously consider banning fire. banning fire of any kind needs to be seriously considered. how many more senseless deaths have to occur at the hands of evil people starting fires? if it wasnt for fire, these 180 or more people would still be alive. if brazil bans fire from everyone, then there will be no deaths at the hands of fire ever again.
this is really the only smart thing to do. wont someone think of the children?
Ban fire? thats got to be one of the top 10 dumbest things ive ever heard!
It's "satire," Cranium. This John Haddock entity is clearly an amazing wit who has caused us to reflect on gun control and recognize the folly of our ways. From now on, let it be known that from this day forward the internet persona known as John Haddock returned Freedom and Justice to the USA by spamming the comments section to an entirely unrelated NBC News (read: librul meeja) article with his biting and accurate rhetoric! LET THE EAGLE SOAR!
The best reply to any "stupid" comment is no reply at all...just let it whither and die.
There is a time and a place for satire. This is not the time or the place, when you read that so many died or were injured!
Hey, Joe, tell us that hilarious one about 9/11!
May the victims friends and family find peace.
How many times do people have to be told before they listen. NO PYROTECHNICS IN NIGHT CLUBS. RIP to the victims.
Firing off fireworks indoors is pretty stupid.
Our thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and their families. This tragic lesson never seems to be learned by these artists who bring dangerous stunts into enclosed spaces. Maybe one can digitally re-create the pyrotechnics, and charge patrons just a little bit less. Then these patrons will live to attend more concerts.
Shouldn't our legislators Ban something in this country so this will not happen here. Let's see: Nightclubs, Open Flame, of make it illegal for people to gather in a Public Place
We should just ban a-holes that try to to turn everything into a political statement.
@compromise now: yes, we have "BUILDING CODES" . Yes the evil gov. has instituted safety regulations and occupancy rules. imagine that. how dare they try to keep us safe. dam commies. Maybe they should just ban trolls like you? hmmmm sounds good to me. If you don't have anything intelligent to say then.....................................................
What the hell classifies someone as a troll? And man it gets used almost as much as the word Racist,are people suppose to be insulted by the word Troll?
BTW RIP this is very sad,I said so in a post up above but I wouldn't want to get slammed for not being PC.
brazil needs to seriously consider banning fire. banning fire of any kind needs to be seriously considered. how many more senseless deaths have to occur at the hands of evil people starting fires? if it wasnt for fire, these 180 or more people would still be alive. if brazil bans fire from everyone, then there will be no deaths at the hands of fire ever again.
this is really the only smart thing to do. wont someone think of the children?
Gosh John, you find yourself so darn clever you have to copy and paste the same comment over and over? Enough already.
It is so easy to stir up the Left Wing Progressive Conspiracy. Just add the truth and it will come to a Boil without even lighting
John Haddock--you are acting like a troll when you keep re-posting the same cut and paste. And did you know that internet trolls don't even necessarily believe in what they post--they only post to get attention.
if they really wanted to stop this from ever happening again they would make it illegal to do pyrotechnics inside of building
Why? Most Nightclubs here are reinforced with flame retardant materials...It is all about keeping buildings up to code and cracking down on the corrupt fire marshals that are bribed to pass an unsafe building
No, night clubs here are not reinforced with flame retardant materials. They use fire resistant materials that will burn but at a slower rate. Yes it is about building codes, but don't be fooled into believing that any club in the US would not catch on fire with pyrotechnics in it.
I half expect Obama to try and pass an executive order to get flares and all flammable material banned. The liberal media will probably get behind him.
I half expect you to one day become half intelligent.
Chris.... I have seen many different reports on the number of people dead which is what normally happens when a tragedy strikes but I am sure that people like you will say it is a coverup by Obama and the liberal media to protect Clinton or something stupid like you always say or maybe you think it never happened and is an excuse to ban something like the ones that think Sandy Hook didn't happen because of conflicting reports during the confusion.
There is no liberal media bias, there is a right wing media bias.
Too bad Chris wasn't in the Murrah building. What an a**hole.
HEY CHRIS. Us liberal commies are putting up a bill to ban trolls and other silly people. So I guess you wont be around. they will probably send you to one of those re-education camps that have sprung up all over the country. They call it Kindergarten.
brazil needs to seriously consider banning fire. banning fire of any kind needs to be seriously considered. how many more senseless deaths have to occur at the hands of evil people starting fires? if it wasnt for fire, these 180 or more people would still be alive. if brazil bans fire from everyone, then there will be no deaths at the hands of fire ever again.
this is really the only smart thing to do. wont someone think of the children?
There you go again...
My condolences to the family and friends of the victims, many young lives were lost in this tragedy. No need to write any horrible comments, have a some manners if you were born or educated in any.
"have a some manners if you were born or educated in any."
What does this even mean?
I see you received a fantastic education.
John, John, John, you condone Joe Scumtone's comment but jump on poor Scarpa for writing something positive about this tragedy. I know what Scarp was trying to say and you do too. I see your education was fantastic compared to everyone elses.
Someone (JH) kept posting the same idiotic comment over and over again.
It shows how soulless and self centered people are when they make jokes about other people dying. Guess what? When you die, there will be more disrespectful people making jokes about your death too. Keep the recklessness going.
Cry some more?
And once I am dead I know for a fact I will be past caring,not that I care what fools online think anyways.
Its just disgusting to hear people speak so carelessly about this sad event, they don't have any morals, they live a sad life. Probably no parents to show them any respect towards others in this time of grief or maybe their parents were the same sad people they are now.
John, nobody on the Internet cares for you at all. Go F*#K yourself Moron. You are an idiot and I have no tolerance or respect for despicable bastards like yourself.
brazil needs to seriously consider banning fire. banning fire of any kind needs to be seriously considered. how many more senseless deaths have to occur at the hands of evil people starting fires? if it wasnt for fire, these 180 or more people would still be alive. if brazil bans fire from everyone, then there will be no deaths at the hands of fire ever again.
this is really the only smart thing to do. wont someone think of the children?
You lite a flare inside a closed building and your going to get a huge fire simple enough too say.
Why in a time when most of these clubs have plenty of new light shows used from techies but still insist on using cheap fire works?
I just don't get it, if this was outdoors then maybe, but inside with 500 people drinking and what not?
This is a recipe for disaster waiting too happen, and as is in this case it did happen.
Agreed, it doesn't take a genius to know that lighting off aluminum and magnesium power(typically used to make the bright flashes) that burn at thousands of degrees inside a building is not a good idea. This should be illegal in any country. At at least let the people know of the possibility of death with their show.
The ultimate tanning salon for those Brazilian beach bodies (oops) persons
Where's the story on the 5 killed in Chicago this weekend?
Oh wait....that doesn't fit with the strict gun laws there.
HOW'S THAT WORKING OUT FOR YOU CHICAGO????????????????????????
blonde....A lot of murders in Houston every week, I don't see you whining about no national reporting on that because it's a red state with an idiot for a governor being protected by the bias right wing media. guns are everywhere down here and so are murders.
Chicago, ironically named for an Indian, has become the what about us benchmark to be raised every time there is a mass shooting somewhere else. That said, what does this have to do with a nightclub fire?
Blonde,
It is called WORLD news. Not everything is about the United States unless you are truly arrogant enough to think that 5 dead in Chicago is more important.
Death is sad wherever it happens. Try having empathy for other people.
Where it belongs, in the local Chicago news. I'm in Denver. Did you here about what happened here last night in Chicago? Probably not unless in was big news. Sadly in this country everyday gun murders are not national news. They would have to update a page for every state, every day! On the other hand +200 dead in a fire due to stupidity is global news.
ID say 5 dead in a house in Chicago is a pretty BIG news story,murdered with the aid of a gun,in a no gun town is a Big deal or do you Guys not have a heart? Three CHILDREN are dead as well as 2 adults,is what some news sources are saying,and only the word GUNSHOTS was used.
Bill...."Chicago" is a native American word that means "land of the stinking onions".... But I do agree that so many dying for the sake of a few seconds of oooh and ahhhh at a fireworks show is absolutely tragic. The band, night club owner and fire inspector share equal responsibility for the obscene loss of life...
Yeah, we have a heart. And a brain enough to know that it's all relative and that we can't go through life streaming tears for every human tragedy that occurs. We'd never get out of bed. We are a little more pragmatic and would like an actual solution to the gun violence problem before it does strike closer to home. I'm in the Denver area so Columbine and Aurora were both close to home for me. But so are all the daily smaller tragedies like the 2 month old shot in it's crib during a drive by or the father who kills his whole family on Christmas, or the other 2 dozen examples that happen in any big metro area through out the year. A guess I'd rather have a solution then people mourning all the time....
3rd rate rock band:GREAT WHITE perpetrated this same thing at THE STATION NIGHT CLUB in West Warwick, RI, USA, a few years ago...I live nearby and remember it vividly. There was enuff culpability to go around---criminal club owners (bribed) local fire officials (government union slime got off-of course!) and local corrupt D.A. did not investigate..... Club owners also installed flammable "sound proofing" to quiet neighbor complaints.... Moron-roadies set off pyrotechnics INSIDE the dump, then security guards wouldn't let people exit the "STAGE DOOR"! Scores were trampled trying to escape, and managers ran out saving themselves-- (everyman for himself here in corrupt Rhode Island!)--- w/o helping anyone. They also installed shatter-proof glass to cut expenses. Snow and ice covered the ground and it was late on a Saturday night. State legislature (also refused to investigate much) over reacted making everyone install sprinkler systems--even if you were a stone church! This forced many out of jobs and businesses closed (or bribed local officials). Politicians like to force things on the public to make themselves "feel better" or absolve their sins. SAD. SAD. SAD.... R.I. is a DYING state filled with morons who vote for the same liberal-democRATS ...and this is but a single example of what we have to endure because of it!
And what came out of it? The Cocoanut Grove, Triangle shirtwaist factory, Hartford circus fire. These were all tragedies that we actually seemed to learn from. We addressed the problems that caused so many deaths with policy and regulation to prevent these types of incidents. Cocoanut Grove is the reason that buildings now have push bar swing out doors. So what came of the GW fire? All I heard was who was trying to sue who. It'll be interesting to see how Brazil responses...
brazil needs to seriously consider banning fire. banning fire of any kind needs to be seriously considered. how many more senseless deaths have to occur at the hands of evil people starting fires? if it wasnt for fire, these 180 or more people would still be alive. if brazil bans fire from everyone, then there will be no deaths at the hands of fire ever again.
this is really the only smart thing to do. wont someone think of the children?
Please stop.
DogBoy....read this : ... The sprinkler requirement was in place...before the fire.... it happened in 2003 and several people have already served prison sentences... when the people being investigated plead guilty or no contest...the investigating stops...
Did they at least ban indoor pyrotechnics in RI for small venues? That's was kind of my point. All I heard about was the blame game in the aftermath.
Remember...It was fire coming from the band that started both fires in the first place...Rhode Island and now Brazil...
Yeah, right. Which is why you gotta think there were plenty of people who could have recognized this as a really bad idea. It was a negligent crime. Not an accident.
You are about retarded!
Shame! Shame! Shame on Brazil!! The greed that rules the country now, will be its biggest downfall! More horrors will happen during the World Cup and the Olympics because Brazil lacks security in every sector. They need to clean up their act!
Like many foreign locations, and a few here in the U.S., they may as well hang signs on the walls that say
"SAFETY LAST"
That's a lot of dead for a single unfortunate incident. The NRA can use this to support their argument that high-capacity magazines shouldn't be banned. Killing over 200 people in a single shooting would be very tough, even with 100-round drums. Cars, fires, accidents, etc., all kill far more people than guns in the US, so guns should therefore be as easy to own as sliced bread. At least that's NRA logic.
I really wish people would not spin every story to fit the political agendas in the United States. The world revolves around an axis, not the United States.
I understand that you may not be promoting the NRA, but simply by virtue of bringing it up you're part of the arrogance typical of people in the United States. It is that level of self-centeredness that makes Americans very unpopular around the world.
...Al...it's too many people like you who give the liberals all the ammunition they need to prove that too many Americans are just too stupid to be trusted to run with scissors or handle anything that "goes boom" in any way. This is not about your political agenda. This is about real people losing their lives in a needless fire.
Lisa, tell that to the liberals who bring up gun bans whenever a shooting occurs. Tell that to Obama. If spinning didn't occur with every incident, then all you would hear is condolences from people. If every time there is a shooting incident some liberal goes on about banning guns, then expect when some other tragedy occurs to hear someone spinning it. It's sad to see the spinning here, but is anyone really surprised?
Seriously??!! This isn't about liberals, conservatives or NRA rhetoric! Over 232 people DIED in a SENSELESS fire!! As an American, I am ashamed that I'm not seeing/reading genuine, condolences being offered to those families that lost loved ones so tragically. This isn't a political issue, this is a human issue...and a very sad one at that!
Probably a "converted dump" with no fire equipment, not enough exits and over crowded... Add fire and you got this...
This has nothing to do with the "3rd world." Clearly, this has happened in other places, including the United States.
This has everything to do with stupidity. If you use fire inside a building, there's a large risk that the building will catch fire. What is it about that simple fact that people don't get?
It is a wonder that humans are still at the top of the food chain.
200 plus people dead, more than that seriously injured by fire and smoke inhalation.
And all because some band couldn't play a show decent enough that they had to pump it up (or disguise their lack of talent) by using smoke and mirrors (and "pyrotechnics" inside a building that I'm sure was up to whatever fire-codes were in place for that area.)
This is why I stopped going to concerts that weren't staged outdoors. Or happened after midnight when the day-babies who've never worked a graveyard shift (like I have for over 25 years) come out and start acting like idiots because "Ooh, it's waaay past my bedtime, ooh I'm so cool!"
Fist my condolences to all the people down there who lost their loved ones. Secondly, only a few comments into this tragedy, and the lunatics are already slamming Brasil and Brazilians as corrupt, inept, etc. Bribes? Yes, there is a lot of that going on down there, as everywhere else in the world. The difference is that in Brasil it's all kept under the table.
Here in the US, where we are all perfect and beyond reproach, bribery is as much part of our daily lives as anywhere else. The difference is that here we call it "Lobbying". Now, with a pretty little term like that it's all good. And need I remind anyone about the Rhode Island fire a few years back that took 100 lives and left scores disfigured?
And to finalize, why are the right wing nuts complaining about the lack of oversight and regulations? Is this opposite day? Don't they want to live in Ayn Rand's paradise of no regulations and no government???
And Brasil is not a Third World country, and hasn't been one for decades now. But to expect the nutcases on the right to know that would be asking too much.
What world do you live in???? Brazil is one of the most corrupt and greedy country in the world!!! Furthemore, FYI: Brazil is a third world country, all you hear about them doing great is not so! Their "GREAT" economy is a big farce, fake and it will all come crashing down as soon as the World Cup and Olympics are finished. There is much crime, poverty and misery everywhere!!! You should go down there and see for yourself! Don't just hide in your sanitized world and defend what you don't know. Shame on Brazil!!!
Yes it happened in New York, I think. More than a hundred people died. But it was because some dude threw a flaming bottle as revenge. He only meant to scare but ended up killing over a hundred people. Very sad. Firefighters described finding the bodies to the gas chambers in the holocaust, as they struggled to get out and trampled each other. Frankly I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often, what with the non existent fire escape routes.