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Abed Al Hashlamoun / EPA
An Israeli soldier covers a small video camera that a Palestinian man was using to film a clash in El Aroub, in the southern West Bank, on Wednesday. Israeli soldiers were reportedly attacked with rocks and molotov cocktails, and responded using "crowd control" methods. Lubna Hanash, a Palestinian woman, was killed when shot in the head with live ammunition.
RAMALLAH, West Bank - Israel is breaking its own rules of engagement by using deadly force to disperse unarmed Palestinian protesters in the occupied West Bank, the Israeli rights group B'Tselem reported on Monday.
Israeli forces have killed 56 people since 2005 in clashes with rock-throwing Palestinians, said B'Tselem, which accused the military of having "extensively and systematically violated" rules barring deadly retaliation for non-lethal assault.
"The Israeli military's standing orders explicitly state that live ammunition may not be fired at stone-throwers," it said.
In the past two weeks, Israeli forces have shot dead two Palestinians in unrest that Israeli officials said may foreshadow a third Palestinian uprising. Peace talks have been frozen since 2010 and Palestinian anger is running high against expanding Jewish settlement in the West Bank, captured along with East Jerusalem, Gaza and the Golan Heights in a 1967 war.
'Biased narrative'
The Israeli Defense Force (IDF) said the B'Tselem report "presents a biased narrative, relying primarily on incidents that are either old or still under investigation by the Military Police."
"The IDF does everything in its power to ensure that the use of riot dispersal means is done in accordance with the rules of engagement," the IDF said in a written response sent to Reuters.
Bernat Armangue / AP
Relatives and friends of Palestinian Lubna Hanash, who Israeli soldiers shot and killed, mourn during her funeral in the West Bank town of Bethlehem on Wednesday. The Israeli military said soldiers were attacked with firebombs and fired back. Hanash was driving in a car when she was shot.
Of the Palestinian fatalities since 2005, six were killed by rubber-coated metal bullets and two by teargas canisters, both supposedly non-lethal weapons which were fired directly at protesters, B'Tselem said.
"In practice, members of the security forces make almost routine use of these weapons in unlawful, dangerous ways, and the relevant Israeli authorities do too little to prevent the recurrence of this conduct," the report said.
The other 48 protesters killed where hit by live ammunition, according to the group.
The protests come as sanctions imposed by Israel after Palestinians won de facto statehood recognition at the United Nations have crippled the Palestinian government in the West Bank and deepened economic malaise.
Faced with the threat of a general strike by the government workers union, top Palestinian officials have encouraged protesters to direct their anger against Israel instead.
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Israel must make the Palestinian bunch desperate enough to attack. And they will sooner or later. War is the only way Israel gets more land. Sad situation, can only end in a war.
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Correct Rusty. The Israeli Plan for the 1980s states this. Their goal has always been to acquire more land in order to become a major super power, and they state they can only expand greatly in time of war. The only country in the World that is expanding in land territory and gets away with it, because they control the press and minds of people.
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Jews and US Jewish lobby needs to learn certain good things from their paymasters, oil rich Sunni rulers of House of Saud, Kuwait, UAE, Qatar and Sunni Arab League nations.
Anyhow Netanyahu and his gang played a major role in starting Iraqi wars and removing Saddam and now they are managing sanctions on Iranian oil well.
When the Sunni oil rich rulers start their dances, some like Netanyahu and their lobbyists in the US start their seventh century dances like Saddam's chemical weapons/WMDs, Iran's dangerous WMDs, Syria's hazardous chemical weapons' stockpiles.
"Israeli forces have killed 56 people since 2005 in clashes with rock-throwing Palestinians, said B'Tselem, which accused the military of having "extensively and systematically violated" rules barring deadly retaliation for non-lethal assault."
If some do these things in Saudi Arabia, brave Saudi forces will straighten all the rock-throwers in a week.
In Bahrain, it did not take many weeks to quell the peaceful Shiites protestors.
Saudi Arabia and other Sunni Arab League nations just sent their brave forces along with tanks and just crushed the Shiites’ protests.
So let me get this straight, 56 Palestinians killed since 2005!
That's a period of EIGHT years!!! More than a hundred Israelis were killed by Palestinians during the same period according to wikipedia. See: List of Israeli civilian casualties in the Second Intifada.
Perhaps it should also be noted that the U.S. and its allies on average kill about 200 civilians in Afghanistan and Pakistan each year (out of 2000-4000 civilians killed over there each year!).
See: Civilian casualties in the War in Afghanistan (wikipedia)
But if we're counting dead civilians, why not compare this with Syria next door, which has seen 60,000 dead in the past 22 months alone. That's more than ONE THOUSAND TIMES MORE PEOPLE KILLED IN SYRIA!
So for every THOUSAND Syrians shot dead over the past 22 months alone, the IDF has shot one Palestinian (over an eight year period of violence during which over a hundred Israelis were killed by Palestinians).
bahrain protests have no remotely been quelled; the massive protests are fewer in number, but now shia groups are using IEDs against Bahraini forces. Bahrain is likely to get a LOT uglier before it gets better.
randomreturn: Shiites of Bahrain should rebel and eliminate the despotic and corrupt seventh century Sunni ruler and his Sunni gangsters.
If Sunni majority can't tolerate a far better leader like Assad, Sunni rulers should not be tolerated in Bahrain either.
Also wherever Shiites form more than ten percent, they should battle for Shiastans.
They should start their revolutions from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Kuwait and other ME nations.
Here are more updated figures, from the resent fighting in Syria.
in less than a year.
http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2013/01/28/16731073-refugees-again-palestinians-flee-syrias-war?last=1359368143&threadId=3654841&sp=0&pc=25#last_1
duqu,
Leaving out 1400 palistinian civilians killed when Israeli troops attacked Gaza undermines your whole arguement.
Does anyone realize how this situation is one group of individuals attacking other individuals and those individuals, after being attacked with projectiles then retaliate against those individuals? This is not ISRAEL attacking anyone. These poor border guards or police are CONSTANTLY subjected to yelling "protesters" who hurl rocks at their faces and gasoline bombs at their bodies. What would YOU DO in their situation?
Time for the Palestinians to get out of Jewish land and go home to Jordan.
Israel is an apartheid state which engages in state sponsored terrorism inside and outside of it's borders. NO MORE US MONEY for these parasites!
Ed-2874315 wrote:
I have no problem with adding those numbers as well. The article mentioned 56 Palestinians shot during a period of eight years. It made no mention of the Gaza war. In fact it gave no context at all! That's the point. I have no problem with providing more context.
If MSNBC wanted to give some context to this report, they could have written that during that same period about a hundred Israelis were also killed by Palestinians (since 2005), and that since the beginning of the Second Intifada about 1000 Israelis and about 2000-3000 Palestinians have died (since the year 2000).
I have no problem with giving some context to these numbers. I have no problem with you bringing up the casualties during the Gaza War in 2009.
But if you want to bring up those 1000 Palestinians (including Hamas fighters) killed during operation Cast Lead, then I would have to include all the Israeli casualties which led up to the war in Gaza. Israel didn't just wake up one day and decide to bomb Gaza. They were sending suicide bombers and rockets into Israel for years leading up to that. So you would have to include all the casualties on both sides. Over 1000 Israelis were killed during the second Intifada, leading up to the war in Gaza (as well as about 2000-3000 Palestinians killed since 2000, including terrorists).
Notice that when I mentioned the civilian deaths in Afghanistan I didn't mention ALL the civilian deaths in Afghanistan, but only those civilians who were shot dead by the U.S. and its allies. On average there have been about 2000-4000 civilians killed in Afghanistan each year since operations over there began in 2001.
But according to the breakdown of the civilian casualties on Wikipedia (See: Civilian casualties in the War in Afghanistan) about 200-400 civilians were shot and killed by allied forces each year.
But I felt it was important to put in perspective the number of civilians mentioned in the report. And in that case, why not compare the number of Palestinian civilian deaths to other conflicts going on in the region during the same time period, such as more than 60,000 dead in Syria (in the past 22 months alone)?
Or for that matter 200,000 dead civilians in Iraq since 2003.
Or 100,000-200,000 civilians dead in Darfur since 2003.
Or 47,515 deaths in the drug war in Mexico since 2006.
The point is that there is an ongoing conflict, and this report about 56 Palestinians shot since 2005 completely ignores the context. But if you want to look at the numbers of casualties, the number of Palestinian deaths is still far lower than any of these other ongoing conflicts. The point is that MSNBC gave no context for those deaths. One might read the report and think that the period from 2005 until today was a peaceful time when there was no terror, and no conflict going on.
I have no problem with what the IDF soldiers did. They fired at the protesters because they were being firebombed with Molotov cocktails, what would you do in that situation. Rocks may be considered non-lethal, although I would debate that point, but firebombs are definitely not non-lethal. Firebombs are a lethal weapon that warrant a lethal attack. If these Palestinians are going to behave like combatants then treat them as such. Throwing a firebomb is not peaceful protest, it is armed attack and armed retaliation is completely acceptable. The thing that gets lost in these one-sided media articles is that no one would be dead of these Palestinians had not attacked the IDF soldiers to start with. These soldiers were not attacking anyone, they were simply patrolling peacefully to maintain security. They were attacked and responded appropriately, stop trying to make victims out of these Palestinians who started this conflict.
"Why should the Arabs make peace? If I were an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been antisemitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that? They may perhaps forget in one or two generations' time, but for the moment there is no chance." David Ben-Gurion, first prime minister of Israel
"For eight years now, they have sat in the refugee camps of Gaza and have watched how, before their very eyes, we have turned their lands and villages, where they and their forefathers previously dwelled, into our home." General Moshe Dayan, Israeli military hero - 1956
I say gather up the Israelis, bring them all here and give them Nevada - similar climate and topography - in much the same way they were given land by force by the UN in 1948. The current situation is untenable and will only fester forever, bleeding our treasury and eventually dragging us into WWIII.
When Israelis kill Palestinians, the deaths occur during legitimate military operations targeting terrorists and murderers. Unfortunately, those terrorists PURPOSELY hide among Palestinian citizens including women and children.
When Israelis die, it is usually because Palestinian terrorists TARGET Israeli citizens.
So essentially you can place the blame for the deaths of BOTH Israelis and Palestinians on Palestinian terrorists.
Rock throwing isn't non-lethal assault. Its DEADLY assault.
not against your thick skull
Certainly, molotov cocktails are lethal, JP.
J.P is the liberal type who probably has some cushy job or trust fund where he has been sheltered from the world and its realities. He is most likely white and age 20-35 and grew up in a stable household where he was told to follow his dreams and do what he wants...made all the easier with plenty of money. Because of his highly liberal education and sheeplike mind, he feels a certain amount of guilt for having been born white and somewhat priviledged...not that he would EVER give all his money away and live hand to mouth or check to check...just guilty enough to look down upon anyone with more money than him. He is a disgusting result of liberalized education that portrays Europeans as the aggressor always and anyone else as an admirable culture...worthy of admiration and certainly not to ever be criticized. People like him have weakened this nation probably irreparably.
Yes, rock throwing is an attack with weapons of mass destruction if done by Palestinians. When Israeli settlers attack Palestinian farmers with machine guns - it is a 'domestic disturbance'...
Israel is one of the most despicable countries on the face of the earth when it comes to gross injustice and flat out terrorism perpetrated by its government. It is a shame our tax money goes to support these parasites.
So let me get this straight, 56 Palestinians killed since 2005!
That's a period of EIGHT years!!! More than a hundred Israelis were killed by Palestinians during the same period according to wikipedia. See: List of Israeli civilian casualties in the Second Intifada.
Perhaps it should also be noted that the U.S. and its allies on average kill over 200 civilians in Afghanistan and Pakistan each year (out of 2000-4000 civilians killed over there each year!).
But if we're counting dead civilians, why not compare this with Syria next door, which has seen 60,000 dead in the past 22 months alone. That's more than ONE THOUSAND TIMES MORE PEOPLE KILLED IN SYRIA!
So for every THOUSAND Syrians shot dead over the past 22 months alone, the IDF has shot one Palestinian (over an eight year period of violence during which over a hundred Israelis were killed by Palestinians).
When Israelis kill Palestinians, the deaths occur during legitimate military operations targeting terrorists and murderers. Unfortunately, those terrorists PURPOSELY hide among Palestinian citizens including women and children.
When Israelis die, it is usually because Palestinian terrorists TARGET Israeli citizens.
So essentially you can place the blame for the deaths of BOTH Israelis and Palestinians on Palestinian terrorists.
Duqu, these were specifically Palestinians shot dead while protesting. There is no indication of the amount of deaths during IDF campaigns. If we're comparing death tolls we need to compare apples to apples. We are specifically talking about deaths during protests.
No Alias Adam wrote:
"Duqu, these were specifically Palestinians shot dead while protesting. There is no indication of the amount of deaths during IDF campaigns. If we're comparing death tolls we need to compare apples to apples. We are specifically talking about deaths during protests."
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Well, 60,000 dead civilians in Syria started out as protests.
But after a while Assad just started killing people whether they were protesting or not...
Big stones or big rocks are very deadly.Thousands of brainwashed Palestinians storming into Israel woud do huge damage.No country would roll over and play dead with hordes of rock throwers Where does NBC pick up these writers and these filler non stories. ?Israel uses great restraint when confronted with terrorists.And rock throwers are terrorists.!Or are they just kids having fun at recess? Get serious! .because they are serious...Deadly serious!
If MSNBC wanted to give some context to this report, they could have written that during that same time period about a hundred Israelis were also killed by Palestinians (since 2005), and that since the beginning of the Second Intifada about 1000 Israelis and about 2000-3000 Palestinians (including mostly terrorists!) have also died.
Like 'bart martin' said, they were not just innocent protesters, I'd like to see the writers of this report stand in front of rock throwers who use slingshots that can kill a person during one of those riots. This is an ongoing conflict, and this report about 56 Palestinians shot since 2005 completely ignores the context. MSNBC report gave no context for those deaths. One might read the report and think that the period from 2005 until today was a peaceful time when there was no terror threat, and no conflict going on.
And in that case, why not compare the number of Palestinian civilian deaths to other conflicts going on in the region during the same time period, such as more than 60,000 dead in Syria (in the past 22 months alone)?
Or for that matter 200,000 dead civilians in Iraq since 2003.
Or 100,000-200,000 civilians dead in Darfur since 2003.
Or 47,515 deaths in the drug war in Mexico since 2006.
When the Egyptians protest and dozens are shot, silence. When the Syrians protest and thousands are killed, silence. When Iraqis protest and hundreds die, silence. But when one Palestinian is shot for protesting, its all wailing and moaning and screaming. So the lives of Muslims killed by fellow Muslims are worthless but when a Muslim is killed by an Israeli, suddenly everyone is so so so concerned. Its all terrible. Its terrible that a Palestinian dies but its so much more terrible when hundreds of Egyptians and thousands of Syrians die. Please be consistent in your concern. If you only pick on the Israelis, we know what a liar you are and what a supreme hypocrite you are. Death is death, a human is a human. End the murder and end the hypocrisy.
Truth is so simple but so hard to come by !
B'Tselem is will a well known outside agitator group that is antisemtic. Wait they are Israeli,
What you mentioned is just a partial story!
When there have been genocides of non-Muslims by Muslims, there are dead silence.
British invented Pakistan in 47 and Pakistan is supposed to be a pure Islamic nation.
In Pakistan, it was massive genocides of minorities in between 48-50.
Percentages of Hindus and Sikhs were reduced from about 24 percent less than three years by rapes, stealing, lootings, terrorizing and killing on a massive scale.
Syria and Darfur are other examples of partisan acts.
Seventh century fountainheads of Sunni Islamic haters and killers, remembered “human rights violations” in Syria.
So the Sunni rulers of Arab League sent “human rights” group to Syria.
The head of the Saudi and their Arab League observers to Syria was a Sudanese Gen. The brave Gen was responsible for the genocides of at least 300000 Christians in Darfur!
Where were the pi***mps of oil rich Sunni rulers like Human rights groups/watches, Amnesty International, UN and their big name agencies?
Except that just isn't true. There are many mentions of the thousands of deaths caused by other regimes. If there were silence about these occurrences how would you know about them to mention them? Would you prefer that the news of Palestinians shot during protests was not reported?
OK, more accurate would be to say that the negative reaction to Israelis killing Arabs in self-defense is so much stronger than the negative reaction to Arabs killing other Arabs with no legitimate excuse, that the latter sometimes feels like silence.
So....what incidents fall outside those two categories? Doesn't seem like there's much room outside those two definitions for any incidents to fall.
Palestinians and Israelis don't need to like each other, but they do need to respect each other. If the current rules of engagement allow Palestinians to 'protest' with rocks and molotov cocktails, then they are encouraging disrespect. It would be better to let it be known that this is unacceptable by changing the rules to require deadly force and command respect. I think this is the way things have been done throughout history. If you had attacked one of the King of England's military men with rocks, your head would be on a pike. If you had protested with rocks against a Samurai in Japan, you would be sliced in two. No one would think of encouraging women or children to go throw rocks at Nazi soldiers, unless they wanted them hung or shot. I wouldn't think of throwing rocks at someone I didn't like. Its time to change the engagement policy to put a stop to this rock throwing. Shooting the rock throwers will stop this.
If some do rocket attacks as Hamas do in Saudi Arabia, what are the results?
Are the rules, laws, rights and big words governed by the size of pockets and the money some can flash?
I like how you used autocratic and oppressive regimes to make you point.
Well, he could just as easily use USA, UK or France to make the same point.
Would you like that more?
These protesters are being backed by their government. Nuff said.
Why is a gun any more lethal than a rock or a Molotov cocktail? A rock can kill you if it hits you in the right place, and the bullet will not kill you if it does not hit you in the right place. Fire from a Molotov cocktail can be just as deadly as a bullet. It can also scar and cripple you for life. Rocks and Molotov cocktails are lethal weapons, and don't you believe for one second they are not. Either can KILL you.
"Why is a gun any more lethal than a rock or a Molotov cocktail?"
You can't be serious. Who would you rather face at 50 feet - an assailant with a gun or one with a rock or molotov cocktail?
Off topic a bit -
Could someone please explain to me how comments get collapsed. And what do the green stars mean? I can't find any information on this on Newsvine's homepage of anywhere else.
Help.
Why is a gun any more lethal than a rock or a Molotov cocktail?
Do we need to explain the mechanics here?
You don't have to, but will be happy to explain something else.
The weapon that was used first is always a little more lethal than the weapon that was used last, even if the former is just a rock, and the latter is a gun.
By the way, the first time Molotov cocktails were used, they were directed at tanks. Back in USSR, my elementary school teachers kept telling us that those produced great results.
Especially when thrown at the engine compartments from above or behind.
Throw a rock or a cocktail at the current W.H. occupants and see what happens.
Throw rock at me and see what happens.
What's the problem here ?
Does MSDNC and Liberals really think that those trowing rocks and cocktails don't mean to inflict bodily harm?
Hawkeyez...what the hell are you talking about? What utter nonsense.
Pure Republican garbage. Try to make everything another lie about Obama. Republicans have no interest in truth or honesty or making this a better nation or a better world. They are only interested in trying(unsuccessfully!) to tear down so that they can take power, power, power, which is all they are interested in. They are like the Taliban, only without and morals. Compared to a Republican, a pig smells like a rose.
MSNBC, Liberals and Progressives are all Jew haters.
The highly liberal swine in this country are creating ever more poor people whose only hope of survival depends on government food and money.
Single mothers, who chose to procreate with a useless male, should have to live at home and depend on their family instead of depending on the government for subsidies which they seem to use only to create more babies. The usesless male should be forced to pay and any wage garnished.
I agree with your comment about what we should do about those who make choices which lead to being on welfare, but it is not a liberal creation.
Many or most of those on welfare or those cheating the system are full fledged Republicans, smoking their cigarettes and shooting their guns. I
It is true that liberals care more about the disadvantaged, but untrue that they cultivate the welfare mindset. Not all on welfare are there because they are lazy or trying to take advantage. Some of it is just tough luck. Not everyone gets to be brought up in a family that teaches a work ethic.
I have a good idea. Lets get the Jews in Israel off of our welfare roles and then we can concentrate on our own. America has given the Jews in Israel more than 100 billion dollars over the years. It is long past time to stop the madness. Stop supporting war criminals and parasites.
I see you use the word "parasites" in many of your postings. Where did you get your terminology?
I have asked before, but you don't respond. You are aware of the history of the word, the consequence of it's usage as I have shown you before. Yet you continue to use it.
theme of the famous anti-Semitic film...Jews as uncivilised and Parasitic people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eternal_Jew_(1940_film)
You know Israel is the Jewish state? Right? That was why I asked before (here)
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/weltparasit.htm
http://brainz.org/10-most-evil-propaganda-techniques-used-nazis/
the symbolism says it all, I think.
They are parasites because they have a host nation, America, supporting their sorry a$$es to the tune of up to 15 billion dollars in aid and weapons each year, while well able to care for themselves. Get it?
A portion of the money they receive, is from wealthy Jewish donors, who are given tax deductions for money they donate to Israel. No other peoples enjoy that benefit. If I send money to Scotland or England, I do not get a tax deduction. England and Scotland are real allies of the US.
I don't ever recall you asking me for an explanation about Israel being a parasite. It is what it is.
But the good Muslims who use up 20 billion of our taxpayer's money and don't spend them in USA, don't supply us with any new technology, don't share any useful intelligence with us, but do commit terrorist acts against us, they are certainly not parasites.
General policy, it doesn't matter who you are or where you are from, when a guy with a loaded assault rifle tells you to "BACK THE @!$%# OFF" you BACK THE @!$%# OFF. What you don't do is verbally antagonize them and then act all FING inocent when they finaly reach their breaking point and respond with force.
To the Palestinians you have 2 options. One, bitch to the UN and try to take the high road and make Israel look like a bunch of dosh bags. This will ofcourse involve you laying off the suicide bombings of inocent civilians. Very bad PR move. The second option is if your going to take on the Israeli soldiers you don't bring a @!$%#ING camera or a rock to a gun fight.
Any person in the military who can be unhinged by foul language, shouldn't be in the military. Any warrior who can't remember training as to how to remain in control, shouldn't be in the military. Not that I condone throwing rocks and molotov cocktails, but what you describe is a very unstable individual, and outside this particular conversation, that person shouldn't be holding a weapon of war.
Is anybody surprised about this. I expect nothing less from them. They learned there lesson well from their former friends, the Apartheid Gov't of South Africa (aka Nazi Jr.)
Feel free to check what happens when somebody throws rocks at the police in South Africa, not even the Apartheid on, the present-day one.
It appears the Israeli government is trying to, provoke an incident that would justify them using deadlier force!!?
Eric Hoffer was a American social philosopher. He was born in 1902 and died in 1983, after writing nine books and winning the Presidential Medal of Freedom. His first book, The True Believer, published in 1951, was widely recognized as a classic.)
ISRAEL'S PECULIAR POSITION
By Eric Hoffer (LA Times 5/26/68)
The Jews are a peculiar people: things permitted to other nations are forbidden to the Jews.
Other nations drive out thousands, even millions of people and there is no refugee problem. Russian did it, Poland and Czechoslovakia did it, Turkey threw out a million Greeks, and Algeria a million Frenchman. Indonesia threw out heaven knows how many Chinese-and no one says a word about refugees. But in the case of Israel the displaced Arabs have become eternal refugees.
Everyone insists that Israel must take back every single Arab. Arnold Toynbee calls the displacement of the Arabs an atrocity greater than any committed by the Nazis.
Other nations when victorious on the battlefield dictate peace terms. But when Israel is victorious it must sue for peace. Everyone expects the Jews to be the only real Christians in this world.
Other nations when they are defeated survive and recover but should Israel be defeated it would be destroyed. Had Nasser triumphed last June he would have wiped Israel off the map, and no one would have lifted a finger to save the Jews.
No commitment to the Jews by any government, including our own, is worth the paper it is written on. There is a cry of outrage all over the world when people die in Vietnam or when two Negroes are executed in Rhodesia. But when Hitler slaughtered Jews no one remonstrated with him.
The Swedes, who are ready to break of diplomatic relations with America because of what we do in Vietnam, did not let out a peep when Hitler was slaughtering Jews. They sent Hitler choice iron ore, and ball bearings, and serviced his troop trains to Norway.
The Jews are alone in the world. If Israel survives, it will be solely because of Jewish efforts and Jewish resources. Yet at this moment Israel is our only reliable and unconditional ally. We can rely more on Israel than Israel can rely on us. And one has only to imagine what would have happened last summer had the Arabs and their Russian backers won the war to realize how vital the survival of Israel is to America and the West in general.
I have a premonition that will not leave me; as it goes with Israel so will it go with all of us. Should Israel perish the holocaust will be upon us.
One of the problems is that we fight these mini proxy wars instead of real ones that we would have fought in the past.
Israel, an ally. What a laugh. Israeli's have never in their history fought alonside American troops, despite the fact that we have aided them in every war they have fought, especially in 1967.
In fact, Israeli forces attacked the USS Liberty in 1967, killing 34 American sailors and wounding 172. They would have killed them all, except they thought rescue planes from the 6th fleet were on their way. Some allies!: Rear Admiral Lawrence Geis, commander of the
Sixth Fleet in the Mediterranean, protests decision to recall rescue planes to
Secretary of Defense McNamara. At that point President Johnson comes on the
phone and says he didn't care if the ship sunk, he would not embarrass his
allies. Admiral Geis tells Lt. Commander David Lewis, head of the Liberty's NSA
group, of the remark, but asks him not to repeat it until after he dies. It is
a promise Lewis will honor.
7 June 1967, shortly before midnight. Office of the U.S. Defense Attaché in Tel Aviv
sends coded message to U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) that Israel intends
to attack the Liberty if her course is not changed.
18 June 1967: Israeli Court of Inquiry
exonerates Israeli government and all those involved, saying that its torpedo
boats erroneously reported the Liberty's speed at 30 knots instead of 5, and
that the Liberty flew no flag and had no identifying markings. Later, Israel
will honor Motor Torpedo Boat 203, the one that fired the deadly torpedo at the
Liberty, by putting its wheel and bell on display in its naval museum, among
those maritime items of which it is most proud.
6 November 1991: Columnists Evans and Novak
publish interview with Dwight Porter, U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon in 1967, in
which Porter says that during or immediately after the attack on the Liberty
the CIA station chief showed him transcripts of intercepted Israeli messages.
One has Israel ordering the attack on the Liberty, another has an Israeli pilot
replying it's an American ship. When the order to attack is repeated, the pilot
insists he can see the American flag. The pilot is told again: "Attack
it."
This is our great ally Procrustes. You got it backwards. Israel is an enemy of the US, which got us involved in wars, which have drained our economy.
Seems to me that the Israeli government is messing up badly here from a PR point of view. Instead of showing some restraint to show the world that they are capable of such at this time while dealing with protesters, the media is hyping the IDF's actions and ratcheting up a already tense situation. Seems like Netanyahu wants to prove to Israeli's hawkish voters he can still be a hard ass, when what Israel really needs right now is a statesman.
Israel has always been practicing all the restraint they can afford. No other country has ever been asked for that much restraint.
Eli
Not a condemnation. Just a personal observation of this particular incident. No government is perfect, and all make mistakes. Some more than others.
True History of Fake "palestinians"
The highest ranking Soviet bloc defector, KGB Major General Ion Mihai Pacepa, in his documentary book "Red Horizons" rote:
"The the peace process is, and has from the outset, been nothing but a charade. It all started with the creation of a fictitious "Palestinian People" who allegedly demand political self determination. This collective noun was created by the Soviet disinformation masters in 1964 when they created the Palestinian Liberation Organization, the "PLO". The term "Palestinian People" as a descriptive of Arabs in Palestine appeared for the first time in the preamble of the 1964 PLO Charter, drafted in Moscow. The Charter was affirmed by the first 422 members of the Palestinian National Council, handpicked by the KGB.
Confessions:
Hamas foreign minister Hamad made a shocking statement. (Watch video clip at ). In his statement, Hamad undermines the fundamental "palestinian identity": "Praise be to Allah, we all have Arabic roots, every palestinian in Gaza and the West Bank can boast of ancestors from Saudi Arabia, Yemen, or from somewhere else. We are all related by blood. I tell about myself. I am half Egyptian. In Gaza, 30 clans with the surname Al-Masri (Egyptian) live. Brothers! Half palestinians are Egyptians, the other half - Saudis! Who are Palestinians? These are people whose ancestors migrated here from Cairo, Alexandria, Aswan, in Upper Egypt. We are all Egyptians! We all Muslims! We are a part of you!
Arab leaders like Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi told the Peel Commission in 1937: "There is no such country as 'Palestine'; 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented!"
In 1946, Arab historian Philip Hitti testified before the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry that "there is no such thing as Palestine in history.”
In 1977, an executive committee member of the PLO Zahir Muhsein confirmed that there is no such thing as a separate “palestinian” people of Arab descent. In an interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw in March 31, 1977, he stated the following: "The palestinian people do not exist. The creation of a palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity.”
nice propanganda mark, citing non-verifiable quotes. Typical of any israeli lobby. You cannot erase thousands of years of people living in the area or their heritage as the israelis are trying to do, ethnic cleansing. israel is the state that was created/faked in 48 that has been shoved down the throat of indigenous Palestininians...
Sam-279394: you have no high school education in the subject and is a typical profoundly ignorant American person. Moreover, your knowledge of your own history is zero. Your ancestors invaded American Indian land, killed millions , placed the rest in concentration camps RESERVATIONS. You live on the stolen land which makes you THIEF; you keep American Indians in concentration camps, which makes you Nazy style criminal. So, keep yopur ignorant mouth shut and get educated. Read documentns, not billboards. I can send you a lot, if you are intterested bernadgm@att.net.
Read the words of Zuheir Mohsen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuheir_Mohsen
Mohsenhimself was in fact both a leader of the Syrian Ba'ath party controlled as-Sa'iqa faction of the PLO and a Palestinian member of the Syrian Ba'ath party's own National Command in the present day nation of Syria itself. Making Zuheir Mohsen uniquely both a PLO leader and an official in the ideologically Pan-Arabist Syrian Ba'ath party at the same time. As such, he stated that there were "no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese", though Palestinian identity would be emphasised for
political reasons. This originated in a March 1977 interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw:[5]
His words, not mine
struggle (Jihad)
true that.
so, it's nothing but a tactic, used to in an attempt to steal "Jewish" land.
Confirmed in the Palestinian liberation origination (PLO) charter, sourced at Yale university school of law.http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/plocov.asp
Not only does this reject Israel's right to exist, it objects to the nation State of Jordan's existence as well.
America considers Jordan as a friendly nation. Why do we, as nation fund the PLO when it goal is the out right elimination of two of our allied nations ?
(William Blake)
Abd al-Hadi, agrees with his Arab brother Zuheir Mohsen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awni_Abd_al-Hadi
Palestinian, is not the same a "Philistine"
Look at a map, and see where the Aegean is located, connect the Aegean people with Arab people?
Encyclopedia Britannica. (link)
After the "Philistines" vanished from the historical record.
What connection is there with twenty first century Arabs?
http://www.archaeology.org/9801/abstracts/ekron.html
Mark Bernadiner-1136934: Wow! Insulting others is how you try to get your point across? You are calling someone else ignorant and at the same time comparing reservations to concentration camps. I have been to a few reservations in my state and they are some of the best places to visit and to go for a vacation. I don't believe all reservations are equally as beautiful as the ones I have been to or filled with so many American Indian owned businesses that thrive off tourism, but I also don't think you could find a Jew that would say how beautiful or great it was to be at Auschwitz.
EUROPEAN women need to start having MORE CHILDREN.
mark - If what you claim is true, why were these comments made by former leaders of Israel.
"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel.
It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us,
but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti -
Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but
one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept
that?"
David Ben Gurion (first Israeli PM, quoted by Nahum Goldmann
in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
. "We must do everything to ensure they [the Palestinian refugees]
never do return... The old will die and the young will forget."
David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in
Michael Bar Zohar's Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157.
"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion,
clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with
time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization or Jewish
State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their
lands."
Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.
In the late 19th century Arabs were already trying to rid the land of Jews, which makes all your quotes completely irrelevant.
Ralph, is it possible for you to come up with something relevant regarding Israel that is not at least a decade or more old? You seem to keep rehashing the same tired old quotes, taken out of context by you in many cases, by the same people over and over. You regularly cite quotes by people but seldom name the official sources for those you quote. Ben Gurion and his associates have been dead a very long time, but you keep trying to convince yourself and others his views are still relevant. As, I said do you have anything from the last few years, say from 2005 to the present?
I didn't think so.
israel is the true definition of a terrorist fascist organization. www.ifamericansknew.org . No regards for human lives...
A Palestinian dies. Its a tragedy. Rightfully. A hundred Egyptians die, and you are silent and the murderous Egyptian government is just fine with you. A thousand Syrians die, and you are silent and the murderous Syrian regime is just fine with you. Millions of Africans are murdered by their own governments and then murdered again by opponents of government, and you are silent. But what Israel does: Oh My God! What a phony humanitarian you are. What a lying self-righteous hypocrite. When Arabs murder and displace millions, you have no concern. When Israelis respond to attacks and one person dies, you think its the end of the world. You are a huge phony.
Those other countries arent receiving our tax dollars, or operating with our help.
More Justice(Phony!): This shows both your real agenda and how little you know. Egypt is a major recipient of US aid dollars, billions a year. Let's be honest: You don't care about these issues at all. You clap when Muslims are murdered by each other. No, your issue is your core of anti-Semitism. No matter what the issue or how many comparable issues there are out there, your focus will always always always be on Israel. You could care less about human rights, except as a reason to attack Israel. You human rights phony, you hypocrite.
NORTHLITE.. your justification for killing unarmed palestinian is as good as an excuse that my kids give me when they get a bad grade which is dad, everyone did as bad, and I tell them I don't care how everyone else did, i care how you did . so don't justify israeli's murdering palestinian by compairing them to other nations.
northlite, this is the argument you've used elsewhere but it just isn't true. In fact I read an article this morning about how the Egyptian military will now be arresting citizens alongside the police force there. I've also read about the escalating death toll in Syria. I also read an article about Mali and the advancement of French troops. There are reports about these incidents all over the place so why are you trying to say that they are not reported and that they do not upset us the same as this article about the deaths of Palestinians shot while protesting?
Is this your pet conflict and do you wish that it was held under wraps so that people won't dissent?
Adam,
It doesn't have to be under wraps, but it could be presented with more objectivity.
Ramesh,
A standard is not a standard unless it's applied equally to everyone.
This just says it's probably not a good idea to use rocks or fire bombs when confronting Israeli soldiers. Better yet, don't confront them to begin with.
back, I beg to differ, if an aggressive bloodthirsty criminal comes into your home, I am sure you won't throw at him/her flowers but worse than fire bombs. Agree? Unless you are ready to give up your home, which you worked hard to pay for?
That's right, when aggressive bloodthirsty criminals, like followers of Hamas, come to Israel (the home of the Jews), Israelis have every right to drive them out by any means necessary.
People who throw rocks and other things at police should be shot dead. They are not protesting they are rioting. They intend to destroy, harm, & kill. They are responsible for their behavior and their fate. When you physically attack others you deserve what you get.
Those arent police, they are an occupying enemy force.
Also Wallace, most protesters do so under the perception that they've been wronged. People don't protest against benevolent, uncorrupted, well governed governments. If you believe that police should shoot protesters than you obviously don't understand the perceived grievances of the downtrodden, the oppressed and marginalized. You would have protesters shot despite their legitimate grievances.
Those protesters are not driven by legitimate grievances, they are driven by prejudice.
Palestinian citizens of Israel have equal rights in every respect.
The Palestinians who didn't like sharing air with Jews, were allowed to take a chunk out of Israeli land and build their own state, yet they simply refuse to settle for anything more than Judenfree Middle East.
The days when lynching mobs could crash through a town and kill some Jews are over. You guys will just have to face it.
I dont want my taxes going to Israel, period. I dont want our military supporting them in anyway.
Israel is a criminal state. And they should be left to deal with their neighbors on their own. With no promise of protection from the west. They use that protection only to abuse and trample.
Murderers.
You are a proven liar and hypocrite. You could care less about human rights. You say that its because our tax dollars are going to Israel that you are concerned. But you are silent about the hundreds of unarmed protesters killed in Egypt, which receives billions from the US. You are silent about the deaths of thousands of innocent Iraqis, another country where billions of our tax dollars go. You are only concerned with human rights as a reason to hate Israel. You are either a fool or a tool of your Ku Klux Klan masters. You phony.
As your Muslim friends hack off hands and ears and feet in Mali, you are silent. As your Black friends in the Congo kill and displace millions, you are silent. As Burma forces thousands of Muslims into the sea to the human trafficers in Thailand, you are silent. As the secret police in Kazhakstan (US aid recipient) torture and murder another thousand protesters, you are silent. So let's be honest here: You have no interest in Murder. You have no interest in Human Rights. You are just looking for an excuse to scream and whine and lie about Israel. Is this because you are a leftist? Or is this because you are a rightist? Either way, you are a phony.
EUROPEAN women need to have MORE CHILDREN.
Stop it northlite. You're wrong and you've said it so many times here. It's a weak argument. Please stop using it.
Adam,
Northlike is merely pointing out the hypocrisy of those who claim to be concerned about well being of the Arabs, but only when Israel is involved.
MoreJustice, (what a laugh)
"I dont want my taxes going to Israel, period. I dont want our military supporting them in anyway.
Israel is a criminal state." I suggest you move to another country, so that you can keep your taxes away from Israel, such as Iran, or any other Jew hating country. Problem solved.
First off,"West Bank" and "East Jerusalem" are newly minted names. For Three Thousand Years these places are called Judea-Samaria and Jerusalem EVEN BY THE UNITED NATIONS, as well as the new and old Bibles.. Palestinian-Arabs re-named these areas in the late 1960's, and the Western News Media flashes these newly minted words because it sells papers. "West-Bank" may work in Paris.. BUT THERE AIN'T NO SUCH PLACE THAT EVER EXISTED IN THE MIDDLE EAST! Same holds true for "East Jerusalem".. No such place as East Jerusalem.. There may be what is called: an "Arab quarter". But JEWS were almost always the Majority of Jerusalem's populous for thousands of years, except for when Jordan captured it for the 19 years between 1948-1967. Words like 'Settlers" used for people who have lived and practiced their religion there for more than 3,000 years.. Or, "Palestinian" when in fact you could easily be either a Palestinian-Arab, or a Palestinian-Jew.. We have the Western New Media that feeds these distorted words to us.. They even omit words like "TERRORISTS" often quoted by Prime Ministers. And substitute words like "Militant", "Insurgent" or "bomber" when the person being quoted, is referring to the Terrorism involved in the killings of civilians by the intended rocketing of a school bus.
So the next time you read these articles by: Reuters, A/P, Msnbc, BBC, and you yourselves witness them using ANY other word BUT "TERRORIST"... Or see them refer to Jews as "Settlers", while referring to Palestinian-Arabs as "Villagers". Or watch them continue to call Judea-Samaria, "West Bank". Or Jerusalem into an "East" side. Or the IDF as the "killers", when in fact they are only defending themselves against terrorism. You can understand how the Western News Media manipulates it's readers. It's misleading.. But it sure sells papers!
Truism - You are right. The Western News media does manipulate its readers. The news media is controlled by Zionist Jews, an undeniable fact. The movies are controlled by Jews and so are the banking institutions, including the World Bank and the Federal Reverve Bank.
For years we were reading how Israel was attacked in 1967 by all the Arab nations, when in actuallity, it was Israel that initiated the attack, while knowing they were not under any threat of an attack from the Arabs.
“The former Commander of the Air
Force, General Ezer Weitzman, regarded as a hawk, stated that there was ‘no
threat of destruction’ but that the attack on Egypt, Jordan and Syria was
nevertheless justified so that Israel could ‘exist according the scale, spirit,
and quality she now embodies.’...Menahem Begin had the following remarks to
make: ‘In June 1967, we again had a choice. The Egyptian Army concentrations in
the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We
must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.’“ Noam Chomsky,
“The Fateful Triangle.”
Was the 1967 war defensive? — continued
“I do not think Nasser wanted war.
The two divisions he sent to The Sinai would not have been sufficient to launch
an offensive war. He knew it and we knew it.” Yitzhak Rabin, Israel’s Chief
of Staff in 1967, in Le Monde, 2/28/68
Moshe Dayan posthumously speaks out on the Golan Heights
“Moshe Dayan, the celebrated
commander who, as Defense Minister in 1967, gave the order to conquer the
Golan...[said] many of the firefights with the Syrians were deliberately
provoked by Israel, and the kibbutz residents who pressed the Government to take
the Golan Heights did so less for security than for the farmland...[Dayan
stated] ‘They didn’t even try to hide their greed for the land...We would send
a tractor to plow some area where it wasn’t possible to do anything, in the
demilitarized area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot.
If they didn’t shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance further, until in
the end the Syrians would get annoyed and shoot.
And then we would use artillery and
later the air force also, and that’s how it was...The Syrians, on the fourth
day of the war, were not a threat to us.’” The New York Times, May 11, 1997
As many times as you post this, I get to tell you that those quotes are irrelevant, Nasser himself stated loud and clear what he wanted:
"The armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon are poised on the borders of Israel . . . . to face the challenge, while standing behind us are the armies of Iraq, Algeria, Kuwait, Sudan and the whole Arab nation. This act will astound the world. Today they will know that the Arabs are arranged for battle, the critical hour has arrived. We have reached the stage of serious action and not declarations." – Nasser, May, 30, 1967 after signing a defense pact with Jordan's King Hussein
Oops.
What would you expect from a terrorist, fascist regime based on a lie (the God's chosen land babel) and supported by righteous zealots in America who have no idea what they are doing with their blind ideology? Zionist fanaticism is the biggest embarrassment to the memory of those lost in the Nazi evil.
There will come a time when a Zionist Holocaust Museum will be built alongside the Nazi Holocaust Museum.
My question remains: Would the fallout from an American nuke on Tel Aviv reach American shores?
Not many people wish for the murder of millions of other humans, like you do. Proud of that, are you?
Why would America kill millions of Jews? What does it say about you, that you want America to do that?
You most be a "humanitarian" (LOL)
Wow Adolph I see you re-read Mein Kampf over the weekend. Yes 56 rock throwing terrorists getting themselves killed is exactly the same as the systematic of 6 million people in gas chambers by people exactly like you. Have fun Adolph.
kpr - I have read countless posts on these forums wishing for Israel or the US to turn Iran into glass., almost all posted by Zionists. With that in mind, get off your high horse. No country on earth has treated a relatively unarmed people, whose land they stole, with such ruthless barbarity. Prime example: Gaza in 2006. Lebanon in 2006.
tex, I'll call you on that. Israel has perpetrated oppression on the Palestinian people but that sort of language is barbaric and not helpful.
Get used to it, Adam.
If you are supporting Palestinians, you will always find yourself with the likes of Tex.
You see, the logic is on the side of Israel, that's why reasonable people never stay one the Palestinian side for long.
Israel is a monster that needs to be stopped. They allow Israelis to throw rocks at Palestinians, out right refusing to stop it when it occures even when Palestinians are begging soldiers to stop the rock throwing. Yet when Palestinians throw rocks, they are meet with their grave.
Israel is genocidal, and needs to be respected as such, being seen as criminal. Israel needs to end now! A new One State Nation needs to take its' place.
Zionism is a cancer that needs to be extracted from humanity. Freedom, and Democracy are the cure for this plight.
Democracy, is Penicillin to Zionism.
Did you know that the Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, was a delusional anti-semite, planing a genocide on people of the Jewish faith living in Israel?
http://www.haaretz.com/news/iran-supreme-leader-rails-against-deadly-cancer-of-zionism-1.7571
Yes I know. Do you deny that Democracy & Freedom would end Zionism?
Democracy and freedom are part of Zionism, it's basic requirements, in fact.
That would be nice if true wouldn't it? :( If Democracy were allowed in Israel, Zionism would meet the end it deserves; with a whimper.
Israel is a Jewish State. At most, possibly an "Ethnic Democracy" which is not Democracy as we know it here in America, at least not for a small number of decades now. Such a warped "Democracy" requires a base of Ethnic Cleansing to first be established, and then continuous Ethnic scrubbing to be maintained. Sick.
Simply put, Non Zionist Jews do not have the same rights as Zionist Jews, especially when it comes to how much influence they can have on their "Democratic" Government specifically because of limitations placed on only their rights as Israeli Citizens, limitations not enforced on other Israeli Citizens - equal rights simply do not exist.
Obviously, you've never been to Israel, didn't even check any objective sources on the subject.
It's just as much of a democracy as USA or any European country. People of all nationalities and religions have equal right there. If you don't believe me, do some research, and you can start by googling "Arab members of Knesset."
Israel is no Democracy, period. You know this I believe, because it is too obvious. Maybe read the links I gave in #21.10. A Democracy that requires Ethnic Cleansing to be maintained is no Democracy, except maybe in the eyes of Hitler, or Colonial America.
Here in America, we were a "Democracy" too when we saw some folks as less than others such as when women and blacks could not vote, even then, we called ourselves a "Democracy", but we were nowhere near a true Democracy.
Then please feel free to leave and move to Gaza or Iran and see yourself be welcomed with open arms and peace and love. After which they would lock you up on trumped up spying charges or execute you just for being an American! You'd be screaming for the U.S. State Department to come to your resue in a heartbeat!
Can we say deflection? Hey Ed-NavDoc, can you admit that true Democracy would be the end of Zionism? Or do you just want to welcome people to Iran & Gaza? Do you admit that at best, Israel is an Ethnic Democracy? The oppression of Zionism must end for peace to prevail.
Deflection? Not at all. Whether true Democracy would be the end of Zionism as you see it, I really cannot say. That is for the country and/or people of Israel to decide on their own. If you mean by welcoming people from Iran and Gaza here, I say not hardly, unless they are willing to emigrate here legally, become citizens, and integrate themselves into our society and way of life! I mainly took issue with what I saw as your badmouthing our way of life. Yes, we are a Democratic country. Are we perfect? Not by a long shot. We have a long way to go. But for all it's faults, I firmly believe we are the best nation on Earth for the freedoms and rights that we have and enjoy. I love my country dearly but I am neither naive or foolish enough not to see it's faults. I stand by my statement above that those who do not like it here are free to leave. As for your question on Zionism, I firmly believe Zionism to be a failed social experiment that has long outlived any usefulness it might have once had, if it ever had any to begin with. As for Israel being an Ethnic Democracy, please do not attempt to put words in my mouth. The term, as you used it, is in itself and oxymoron if you think about it. If peace is to prevail, it will take maximum effort from all sides to prevail. Not just one side alone. Are you familiar with the term Post Zionist Movement in Israel? I suggest you google it. You might find it enlightening.
Here, read these links & tell me again that Israel is not an Ethnic Democracy at best:
http://weblaw.haifa.ac.il/he/Faculty/Kedar/lecdb/ethno_democracy/21e.pdf
http://soc.haifa.ac.il/~s.smooha/download/MinorityStatusEthnicDemocracy.pdf
Sounds like the one doing the deflecting is you. I explained myself and answered your questions honestly. You totally ignored all that I said and had no comments other than your insistence on your so called ethnic democracy. I have said all I need to say. If you cannot accept that, than that is your problem not mine. Have a nice evening.
I'm just asking you to read my links and comment on them. If you don't want to you don't have to. No need to get your tail all in a bunch. I am curious though, so if you change your mind, I really would like to know what your opinion is about the content of the two links.
I'm asking a question, not putting words in anyones' mouth. According to the two links, which spell it out very clearly, Israel is an Ethnic Democracy which has always relied on Ethnic Scrubbing of the State to maintain a Zionist/Jewish Identity. Israel is an Ethnic Democracy at best, it certainly is nowhere near a true Democracy. It's a joke that it can even call itself a Democracy at all. Israel is far more near South African Apartheid, far more so.
I would be more than happy to read your links, but unfortunately my system will not allow me to download said links. Seems to be a problem with Adobe Reader compatibility. Sorry.
Rocks can be deadly weapons. I wonder why the far left is anti Israel?
In world war two, at the behest of the Nazis, some Jews became guards controlling prisoners in the death camps. They were called Kapos. They were traitors. They were these people.
I am in favor of deadly force to quell Palestinians - I am sick of living in fear of them - let them cower! Or better yet - do something about their own oasis of Gaza!
Folks who are anti-semites better realize that Israel is one of our keys to keeping the towel-head muslims at bay. They aren't provoking.....the muslims use the Palestinian situation as an excuse.....if it was not that it would be something else. They're too @!$%#in' stupid and evil to do anything constructive, so an imaginary holy war is the best these bastards can offer.
A thrown rock can be deadly. A series of thrown rocks can be deadly. Pick a fight don't complain about the results of the fight you picked.