Failure to follow simple rules locked exits etc. and so many deaths. Pure stupidity...........such a waste.

Performing firework displays indoors is one of the dumbest things routinely done by people.

Ban pyrotechnic displays indoors. This is not the first nightclub fire caused by such devices.

Fireworks / Pyrotechnics indoors with low ceilings = Danger. Throw into the mix of to many people and few exits, locked doors. People never learn until stuff like this happens. Making money before safety.

John,

Actually, start by banning "stupidity". Does this lean a little towards your post?! LOL

It said businessman Elissandro Spohr, also known as ‘Kiko’ – one of the owners of the Kiss nightclub in the city of Santa Maria – was detained “on a temporary basis.”

If you ask me, they probably saved his life. It's probably more for protection than anything else.

Survivors and the police inspector Marcelo Arigony said security guards briefly tried to block people from exiting the club, according to the AP, perhaps fearing that patrons would leave without paying their tab.

We all have a job to do however, there's a difference between simply doing your job, and knowing the difference between life and death.

@Creek Dog, I hope this clears up a little bit...In today’s newspaper where I live (Rio) they showed what the inside of the building on how it was set up. There were two floors and on the first floor there are 5 rooms, (1 main dance floor, 2 side dance floors rooms, 2 private rooms and a men’s and ladies bathrooms) with only one doorway to enter and exiting from each to the main floor. On the second floor was a walk around to view down below with one set of stairs. Here’s the painful part. There is ONLY one set of doors at the front of the building (enter and exiting) so the guards at those doors really didn’t know how bad this fire was because there is a wall blocking their view. The fire started somewhere in the back .

Today all the flags are flying at half staff. This is a very, very sad event

The guards at the door...this is the mentality that took place on the Titanic. The people in charge unable to adapt to a changing situation. On the Titanic, once they knew they had a problem, they didn't switch to survival mode right away - they were still concerned with treating first class passengers with a luxury experience. The passengers didn't switch over either. That cost a lot of lives. The guards at the door were in the mode of doing their job to protect the business and didn't make the mental switch to doing whatever is possible to save lives. It's human nature, unfortunately.

Performing firework displays indoors is one of the dumbest things routinely done by people.

That's the right on man, you said it all. This isn't the first time either. Once is enough to find out that it's dangerous.

Miss Amy I like your attitude but to quote you, " I do not think that it is your place in society to make that choice for the rest of us." I deleted the part about guns and your argument makes sense. If we don't try to tell law biding people what to do as long as it does not infringe on others we have the basics of what the founding fathers where trying to say. Thanks for making that point for me.

sad for all but could have been avoided, with a little common sense, which appears to be lacking in this case

kilroy - totally agree

david 475776 - it's amazing that everything that's the worst thing that ever happened to the US was/is during the Obama admin. Hmmm, sounds a little implausible to me - especially since many of the programs you list started during other admin's - especially GWBush. Oh well, if it's on Brietbart, it MUST be true, right?

And they never will when greed is the motivation. I hope the owners of this club, the ones responsible for this unnecessary tragedy, get the death penalty, if they didn't already die in the fire they could have prevented.

Mymom, I agree 10000%. The owners could have had guards at the doors. That would have prevented non-payers from sneaking in, and at the same time provide a safe exit. It was all about greed. The owners should pay the maximum.

we don´t have death penalty in brazil. The limit time jail is 30 years by law in all crimes.

I wonder where all the outrage was over the textiles factory fire that killed so many because the doors were chained shut to keep workers from taking unauthorized breaks?

Wow. Never seen so many dumb arguments. Keep up the good work guys!

Oh Chris, really? You will never get it. Nightclubs have more purposes than guns. Apparently you see your gun as a security blanket but to many of us all it is is an instrument of destruction. Nightclubs entertain, and are a social experience. Cars are also a mode of transportation, not just accidents waiting to happen. Knives also cut food and other materials. Guns have only 1 purpose, to kill stuff. Thats all they do. They cannot help you with anything except to kill stuff. I believe in the death penalty but I think it should be implemented after the offender has been given an opportunity to defend themselves. I do not think that it is your place in society to make that choice for the rest of us, or God forbid, have your own weapon used against you or a loved one.

Death at the Club: It's not just for Ecstacy anymore

Really, So my gun is for destruction... YOUR STUPID, my gun had helped me in the pass fend off robberies, not cops!!!! What purpose does a nightclub have, beside letting people do stupid stuff on alcohol that does kill off number of kids, more than guns ever will!!! GO bury your head in the sand, MISSAMY!

Chris - I don't expect logic from the illogical.

We wouldnt ban NIGHTCLUBS idiot.

We'd ban PYROTECHNICS IN NIGHTCLUBS.

I'll go a step further, I think pyrotechnics should be banned for all indoor use. Too many variables, too many ways things can go wrong...and it simply isnt worth the loss of life.

Musicians and Sporting events will just have to rely on the main event as being interesting enough.

John Bryant--there was plenty of outrage here on the vine about the textile fire in Bangladesh, and rightly so. Another instance of negligent homicide.

You're wrong, Jessica about the use of pyrotechnics indoors-I live in a state that suffered a tragic circus fire back in the 40's where several hundred people were killed as a result of flammable materials placed on a circus tent that caught fire. All Pyrotechnics were banned in the state until the 1980's when AC/DC successfully showed the state fire marshals how pyro could be safely used indoors. Pyro can be safely used in a large arena or indoor stadium under the right circumstances, I've seen it done. It's rigidly controlled and has to have clearance by the state fire marshal, no exceptions. But a nightclub is never the right place for something like this.

So my gun is for destruction... YOUR STUPID, my gun had helped me in the pass fend off robberies

First of all, thanks for clarifying your intelligence with this statement. Secondly, what was the purpose of your gun if it wasn't to hurt someone?

Chris your stupid example WAS destruction, the threat of injury/death is what scared the robbers away, the gun was just your weapon of choice but know what else works? A big dog ! Or a large knife, hell even yelling loudly could work. I bet you leave your doors unlocked and windows open just HOPING a robber tries his luck, just so you can shoot someone.

Being roasted alive does not sound like a good way to go. When I watched the Hurricane Sandy relief concert with all of the fireworks and such at the end I was stunned at the intensity of it and wondered how anyone could not have been singed by it especially those in the front of the concert. Seemed pretty dangerous. Pyrotechnics, while cool to watch, look too dangerous for an inside venue.

Chris - banning nightblubs using your Sandy Hook analogy would equate to people wanting to ban elementary schools. Now I'm sure many of you idiot, guns-at-all-cost folk would probably propose banning elementary schools before guns, but no one is in fact petitioning for that. But thanks for proving once again why not everyone deserves to own a gun.

Chris - too bad we couldn't ban you and your irrelevant comments. Your emotional detachment to the loss of lives in any type of tradegy is so sad. What happened to you that you care more about guns than someone losing a loved one? Over two hundred people lost their lives and you want to revert back to the nightmare of Sandy Hook and guns? Think for two seconds before you type.

Chris--this really isn't the right venue for discussing our 2nd Amendment rights. Trying to compare an incident of violent insanity like Sandy Hook with an incident like a nightclub fire due to incompetence and negligence is like comparing apples to acorns. And please understand that I am not anti-gun, since my husband and I like to shoot skeet, and we also like to hunt wild game to eat.

Missamy, since you mentioned it, I will make one additional comment. My husband and I have both a German Shepherd and a firearm for home defense. We reason that the sound of our dog barking and the sound of a round chambering is enough to scare off 99% of all burglars and so we probably will never have to actually fire a shot. For the other 1%--they would have to be crazy or high on drugs, which would make them very dangerous. There was an elderly couple 2 doors down from us who, several years ago, had a home invasion happen to them--a late teens or early 20's man barged in with a baseball bat--thank God the elderly couple had 2 big dogs that scared the guy off. They could have NEVER defended themselves alone against that invader. And if he had been crazy enough to start swinging at the dogs?--Who knows what would have happened!?! BTW, I am in favor of background checks, and I believe that people who are psychotic should not be given access or allowed to buy firearms either.

Jimangiesmokie

All Pyrotechnics were banned in the state until the 1980's when AC/DC successfully showed the state fire marshals how pyro could be safely used indoors. Pyro can be safely used in a large arena or indoor stadium under the right circumstances, I've seen it done.

There are times when one should stop and not think about whether one COULD do something and think more about if one SHOULD do something.

No matter where I am I would feel uncomfortable with indoor explosions and fires that are supposed to fly through the air.

I'm surprised that the nightclub insurance companies allow the pyro shows indoors.

"Yelling really loudly".

That would have worked wonders during the LA Riots during the looting or Katrina, when all the cops ran home.

Hopefully the destructive psychopaths running loose in the US don't read the headline about Brazil and get ideas of intentionally using fire for mass destruction.

I know this didn't happen in America, but in any country, I think people have a basic human right to a certain level of safety when buying products or services, or patronizing a business. I think businesses owe it to their customers to provide a reasonable level of safety to all who enter their premise.

Any business that has customers come inside a building owes it to them and employees to have enough exits to accommodate the maximum allowable crowd. Employees should be trained to direct a mass exit, so it doesn't become a trampling, panicky nightmare.

And, pyrotechnics doesn't have to be outlawed, but like any potentially lethal entity, extreme safety standards have to be applied and enforced. An indoor stadium, built to handle pyrotechnics, can be safe, so long as procedures are followed. A nightclub - probably not. Why don't facilities have to have a fire marshall approve use of pyrotechnics?

It's not like this is the first time something like this has happened. I don't think it's even a matter of greed that it happened again. It's stupidity. And it's criminal. People need to go to prison over this.

WinWin4All - I know this didn't happen in America, but in any country, I think people have a basic human right to a certain level of safety when buying products or services, or patronizing a business. I think businesses owe it to their customers to provide a reasonable level of safety to all who enter their premise.

That's the point, "Self Regulation" (lack of Self Control) (aka Personal Responsibility) of anything is proven NOT to work, so Government to "Protect" (sarcasm) the People from themselves:

"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before." So said President Obama's White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel in November 2009.

Making illegal the use of Pyrotechnics indoors did not work. (Lack of Self Regulation)

Making it illegal to lock Emergency Exit Doors did not work. (Lack of Self Regulation)

Public Safety (Law Enforcement) did not work.

More money for the Education of the stup!d did not work. (Lack of Self Regulation)

Guards at the doors did not work (they actually kept people from escaping the fire).

BAN HIGH CAPACITY NIGHTCLUBS.

No Nightclubs with more than 7 people.

That would make it so that there is no panic, no stampede of crushing people to death during an emergency; the herd effect of people going the wrong way, no mob mentality effect.

Larger Ratio of Employees to manage the situation, guide people to safety.

Tax the F**K out of Night Clubs to pay for the Law Enforcement external and internal to the Nightclubs. And pay for Inspectors and Inspections, including catching illegal Nightclubs and Parties (like of the moment "Raves" at abandoned buildings or warehouses).

John-2166965 post#3. -Sex, Drugs Rock & Roll..and Deadly Incompetence.

Ban Drugs, Alcohol, etc. from Nightclubs that impair the judgement of anyone at the Nightclubs. (Lack of Self Regulation, Self Control)

BAN HIGH CAPACITY DRINK CONTAINERS

New York City (Lack of Self Regulation, Self Control)

BAN LARGE CAPACITY FOOD SERVINGS BIGGER THAN A CLENCHED FIST (total Serving on plate).
55% of US Citizens Obese, leading to increased Medical Problems and Increased Costs to Health Care for Everyone. 1 pound body weight is 4 pounds your legs must carry, Ratio. (Lack of Self Regulation, Self Control)

BAN LARGE CAPACITY PERSONAL VEHICLES LARGER THAN A "SMART CAR"
President Obama's Law for HP Requirements and MPG Requirements Not Later than 2023. All others destroyed or made inoperative at Museums, no individual vehicle collections. Businesses pay additional Taxes and Fees for SUVs, Pickup Trucks, Vans, etc. that must be parked at the place of Business Only, no individual (private) use. (Lack of Self Regulation, Self Control)

BAN FAST FOOD
California (Lack of Self Regulation, Self Control)

BAN THE US CONSTITUTION, BILL OF RIGHTS, DUE PROCESS OF LAW
Done President Obama's January 21, 2009 Patriot Acts, Preemptive Detention, US Military Use of Deadly Force Against US Citizens, Monitoring and Censorship of All US Communications, US Military Commissions (US Military Tribunals renamed), etc..
Done President Obama's 2012 NDAA, Indefinite Detention of US Citizens.

BAN THE DEMONCRAPS AND US LABOR UNIONS STATING THE MURDERS OF ALL THOSE THAT DISAGREE WITH THEM

"President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let's take these son of bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong," US Labor Union Leader Jimmy Hoffa Junior during the President Obama Reelection Campaign.

Chancellor Hitler, "All Loyal Germans must take back Germany from the Jews".

Have Demoncraps pull out their Gun (penis) and remove their Gun.

Then they cannot procreate more stup!d. (Lack of Self Regulation, Self Control, Personal Responsiblity, Parenting)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kU0XCVey_U

BAN ALL VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES, MOVIES, AND "ENTERTAINMENT".

As all the voluntary Ratings and Parenting have not worked to keep these out of the hands of those below the age of the Ratings. Except in those Nations that have made it Law as Government Law Enforcement with Criminal Penalties. (Lack of Self Regulation, Self Control)

"This isn't just about guns," Biden said on Thursday at the U.S. Conference of Mayors in Washington, D.C. "It's about the coarsing of our culture.

"Yes, that's what I said, the coarsening of our culture, whether it's with video games or movies or behavior," Biden said.

BEFORE ANY OF YOU START YOUR TYPICAL NAME CALLING, LISTEN TO THE ADVICE OF YOUR PRESIDENT (From President Obama's 2013 Inaugural Speech):

We cannot mistake absolutism for principle, or substitute spectacle for politics, or treat name-calling as reasoned debate.

Miss Amy I like your attitude but to quote you, " I do not think that it is your place in society to make that choice for the rest of us." I deleted the part about guns and your argument makes sense. If we don't try to tell law biding people what to do as long as it does not infringe on others we have the basics of what the founding fathers where trying to say. Thanks for making that point for me.

WOW, looks like the real idiots are commenting still!!! Alcohol kills more people a year then guns do in the United States, I never said that nightclubs should be banned, i just stated that they take more lives of our children from the drugs and alcohol that runs through these places. People on drugs and alcohols won't make for the exit like they should if they were sober!!! SO my logic is sound, I just like posting the obvious to the Real Stupids of the Vine... Just like all the name calling, and you say that I am the one with a problem? HA lol

But coming from a nation of alcoholics, I am not surprised about the replies!!!

Ok, maybe I did say nightclubs should be banned, what I meant was the pyrotechnics.. But still, how is this different from Sandy Hook and Obama trying to enforce laws against the 2nd amendment? People still die each day from even car accidents, but you don't see a call to end all cars on the road!!! Same goes for all the nightclubs that promotes violence, all those kids that die each year from going to a night club either overdosing, being stabbed, raped, or consuming to much alcohol is still far greater in number then the elementary school shootings!!!

@chris-2252558

What you fail to acknowledge is that you're not very fond of nightclubs (you're almost certainly, not a young man) and they don't make a significant part of your life, while guns do. Guns are part of your interests. So you're basically telling others that their interest is unimportant because it's not part of your own.

Life is full of dangers, and for many "danger" actually means excitement. Everyone dies someday, but most of us try to avoid death or injury while living to the fullest.

For many, a quiet and sedentary life, while safe, is not worth living. We take precautions on our risks and our only safeguard is to be as smart as we can be -to avoid damage.

Our society claims that driving, while actually following all the laws, is pretty safe. But again, that claim is only subject to others who we have no control over. Even though we have many more cars every year, car safety has increased together with human neglect. The "safety" part cannot keep up with human distractions and gadgets.

But comparing killings with deadly weapons to accidental deaths, is very illogical or naive, at best.

... and the accordion player died.

John, Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt

John, Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt

Sex, drugs and rock and roll = lethal incompetence.

How about February 21, 2003, when ninety-six people died in a fire at a Rhode Island nightclub, started by Pyrotechnics used by the heavy metal band Great White. That wasn't all that long ago.

Okay -- the comment trolls like John Haddock and David 475776 are on the loose, folks -- don't waste your time replying to their stupid illogical comments....they'll keep posting the same comment over and over again until finally no one responds, then they'll go on their merry way...

I agree. Many governments prohibit use of fireworks unless given a permit and normally the user needs to show they received safety training. My state prohibited fireworks use after a town's main street was burned down. No one died in this fire, just over 100 buildings lost. In this current fire trend it is hundreds of lives are being lost. This seems to be getting to be a trend where bands at an indoor venue have started a flash fire. It just needs to be outlawed, no indoor pyrotechnics.

Perfect Kevin. May they rest in the peace of Christ for eternity, and may His perpetual light shine upon them.

Kevin, I'm sure you mean well with your prayer but let's not loose sight of the fact that it was your god that allowed this conflagration and murder to happen amid corruption and incompetency in local governments.

Your 'all seeing, all knowing, all forgiving' god has once again committed mass murder and suffering and you will say to the 'faithful,' 'departed through 'god's mercy,' may they rest in peace,' and may a 'perpetual light shine upon them;'

I submit to you that, your 'god' has given them only the perpetual light of hell. Their last view, permitted by your god, was one of horror, suffering and for them and their loved ones, a welcoming to hell.

You have been warned of false prophets, do not believe in them.

Thank you, Seattle Sunshine. "God" knew this was going to happen in advance and either couldn't stop it or didn't want to. This whole "god" thing truly disgusts me.

that is because you don't understand or believe that god gave man free will, do you think that god was behind security making sure people paid their tabs during a life threatening emergency, no, greed and evil is behind valuing $$ bills rather than saving lives, they made that selfish evil choice and young people died. You don't understand evil either, it is everywhere.

They're dead due to negligence and the culture of trying to screw over anyone else. Doors are locked to keep Brasilians INSIDE so they don't leave without paying the tab.

Leaving these clubs is often more difficult than entering, especially when the house routinely @!$%#s your bill.

But on a happier note: the jeebus monster, zombie number one, ain't coming so get used to the real world.

The first step is admitting you have a problem.

Descansa em paz, gente.

J hadcock lets ban you and your stupid constant posting

I think he was merely stating that your trolling and multiple cut and paste posts violates the terms of service and the rest of us should not be subjected to the fact that you cannot follow rules. And you want to squawk constitution, which is a document of rules? You've simply confirmed the obvious. You're unworthy of the space you consume.

The first amendment prohibits the government from infringing on your freedom of speech. It doesn't shield you from the moderators of a privately owned comment board shutting you down for being a jerk who violates their community policies.

You are correct--it was negligent homicide.

No clubs? No bands? No expectation of any joy at all in your lifetime?

But I would agree on a ban on pyrotechnics inside a closed building (any enclosed venue - building, tent, etc) would seem to be a wise option to exercise.

MadDog, (tic) did you plagiarize your comment from a gun control argument a few days back? We already know that laws against criminal behavior will prevent these things from happening, lets outlaw music! Viola, problem solved.

Oh, and you are so right, legal use of pyrotechnics is not the problem; just like guns, it is the illegal use.

Sincerely, my condolences to the victims and their families.

MadDog--what regulations and laws do help are-- the victims and their families will have more legal basis for lawsuits--which in cases like these are totally justified.

Pyrotechnics are ridiculous entertainment for a band. They must not have enough musical talent to entertain, plus, the club owner over booked the flight, greed. The building went up faster than a mobile home fire, most likely a shack. Stupidity runs rampant world wide it seems.

Pyrotechnics are ridiculous entertainment for a band.

But the band did this once before on concrete and the concrete didn't catch fire. How was the band supposed to know oil based ceiling tiles would catch fire?

The same way Bill Clinton didn't know it was sex.

Sprinklers? I doubt they were required. A few fire extinguishers that worked would have been helpful. And training to use them. Locking the doors was inexcusable. It all boils down to stupidity and greed, the usual causes of such tragic events.

OMG, how can you compare the shooting of children and teachers by a madman to the hundreds killed here? Guns kill thousands in the US every year. If you go just by the numbers, guns wins the prize. We don't want to ban guns here, just automatic and semi-automatic rifles and the multi-round clips that can kill dozens in less than a minute. With your crazy logic, we should ban unhealthy food too since so many die from obesity, lol. And no one is saying this because it would be crazy like your logic.

MY point, SO DOES ALCOHOL, kill far more than guns, and I do believe these people in the fire were children... or young adults!!! All I am saying if they ban guns because of an incidents, then why is this any different? IT IS NO DIFFERENT AND YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND COMMENT JUST PROVES HOW STUPID AMERICANS ARE!!!!

@not in agreement: Ban the assault weapons because of Sandy Hook? It was discovered that the assault rifle the shooter had was in the trunk of the car and not used in the shootings whatsoever.

It's a night club, not a place of employment where assets need to be protected by a fire suppression system.

You would think its assets were its customers.

It was just so they would be forced to stay and be questioned. Whose idea for the pyrotechnics, was it legal etc. If they weren't arrested and detained they could just leave, and i am sure would have. Well , not their accordian player of course.

How about this, Fu(k You and people who use Sandy Hook for political agendas!!! Freedom of speech BIT(H, I guess we should ban you for trying to ban my 1st amendment of freedom to express myself!!!