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Asmaa Waguih / Reuters
Protesters use slingshots to launch stones at police in Cairo, Tuesday.
News analysis
CAIRO — Egypt’s recent days of violence have focused attention on its political crisis — but the underlying cause remains an economy on the brink of collapse.
Rising prices of basic goods like bread, sugar and gasoline coupled with high rate of unemployment and a lack of social justice has created a lethal and combustible cocktail.
Poor education, youth disenfranchisement, unemployment and poverty have created a reservoir of resentment between the young men leading the protests and the government.
Add to this mix a stagnant political reform process and the lack of confidence in basic government services, including justice, and you can understand the frustration among many Egyptians.
Every few months there is an explosion of violence. The flames are put out by promises of reform or sometimes sheer exhaustion on the part of the protesters but the spark — deep and serious socio-economic problems — remains and that's why we see a repeat.
A state of emergency is imposed on three cities in Egypt. NBCNews.com's Dara Brown reports.
On Wednesday, Egypt’s President Mohammed Morsi was on a day trip to Germany despite the fragile security situation in his country.
Turbulent years
The urgency of his mission — to secure economic assistance and assure the international community that this crisis is resolvable — underlines the deeper problems fueling the country’s cyclical unrest.
The immediate trigger for this week's clashes was a convergence of emotion surrounding the second anniversary of the revolution and anger at the passing of a death sentence on 21 defendants on trial following a soccer stadium riot last year.
With each round of violence, the call for Mohamed Morsi to step down continues. But most of the country just wants stability - with or without Morsi. Egypt has undergone two of the most turbulent years in its modern history.
The majority of Egyptians will tell you what they want is to feel physically and financially secure. The country is still a few years away from achieving that security.
There is a serious lack of leadership from either the Muslim Brotherhood-dominated government or the so-called opposition, whose divisions and failure to connect with the demands of the street is making it increasingly irrelevant. The opposition carries no political clout, even if its grievances are legitimate.
Time and money
Morsi has several options to resolve this crisis. Most are short-term measures that could defuse some of the anger and mistrust that has built up between his regime and the opposition and the protesters.
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On the second anniversary of the uprising that toppled Hosni Mubarak, huge crowds take to the streets in five cities.
Longer-term measures to ease social pressures, particularly among the country’s youth, will take time and money — including international investment.
Egyptians tried the ballot box, but have not yet seen the change they yearn for. So they are turning to the street to express their dissatisfaction.
Until the government finds a way to absorb and deal with the root cause of people's issues, unrest will continue putting yet more strain on the fragile economy.
In short, this is a race against time in which Egypt, first under the rule of the military, and now under the Muslim Brotherhood, has already wasted two years.
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The United States tax payer has sent over $70,000,000,000.00 so far to Egypt--$1.5 billion dollars a year----where did all that money go ??????????????????????????
Where did it go? Right back into the US economy as they buy more guns & bullets. Minus a small profit for the arms dealers of course...
It bribed the military to stay neutral against isreal.
Thereby saving Egypt from destruction by Israel.
Egypt has an overpopulation problem that they refuse to address on religious grounds. The amount of arable land is a constant and so is the amount of water available for irrigation. There is little sex education or family planning. The abundance of mouths to feed, coupled with scant resources, poor education, and a rigid, bellicose intollerant outdated religion has led to this growing pyramid of failure.
The one industry that brought in the multitudes (tourism) is faltering. Egypt needs to address its ideology or it will turn on itself because it has nowhere to go. Also unfortunate is the fact that the unhealthy mind has a greater propensity to kill the healthy mind than the reverse. The Islamist will rise unless the the modernist fights. The modernist has the smaller family and manages the resources. The Islamist prays and has a massive family he can barely support. The modernist studies science to improve life, the Islamist kills the modernist for charges of disbelief or blasphemy. And so the inevitable consequence is the brotherhood/taliban/al queda/hamas/hezbollah/Wahabbis/Salafists/Republican Guard etc...
Slingshots and marbles apparently Alan
You over estimate the amount that we send. When we send aid or an amount it is not neccessarily in cash.
CRUSHING POVERTY AND MASSIVE INCOME DISPARITY ALWAYS CAUSES POLITICAL INSTABILITY.what we send ends up in the hands of a few of the rich.much like our stimulus.a progressive tax system is necessary along with tariffs to protect a developed nations standard of living.what youre seeing in Egypt is what happens when the rich get their way completely.a population that works day and night to earn a days meal while the guy at the top makes 90 percent of the money.
so go on idiots in washington.give our rich another tax cut.youve already eliminated incentives to invest in america.no tariffs,low taxes,why should they invest here.they dont need any deductions.
our country has never had the income disparity it has now.the occupy movement was a warning sign.the rich were able to sway public opinion with a massive propaganda campaign.it might not work a second time
The picture says it all... sling shots against their army... This is what our government whats for us... for us to give up our right to protect ourselves from our government. This should be the picture for gun control.
Their economy will not improve until they get rid of the extreme Islamic leaders, who want them back in the stone age.
its not bad enough we have to pay for our deadbeats we have to pay for other countries deadbeats too!
@ Alan Fischer - I was asking the same thing. Where did all those billions go? And Morsi is in Germany to ask for economic assistance? Huh? Why doesn't he go to Arabia, Kuwait, The UAR, Bahrain and all those other rich oil countries and beg for a cup of money? Because they don't give a sh*t about Egypt. They consider Egyptians a mongrel, low-life people. What the Egyptian gov't has to do for starters is tell the people to stop fkg up a storm and having kids they can't afford to support.
John, i can tell by the ignorance of your post that you are a Obama supporter. You have actually regurgated the party line .
1st low corporate taxes, WRONG us corporate taxes are some of the highest in the world thus making it hard to encourage people to invest in America. Why would they if most of what they make goes to the government and not the share holders. (retirement accounts, pension funds and yes a few people that took a chance and invested in this company so they could expand and create jobs).
So HIGH taxes discourage investment and LOW taxes encourage investment thus creaing jobs!
2nd protectionism (tarriffs) where is the largest market for GM cars? hint it is not the US! You want to charge a tarriff to any import goods and in return they charge us exports to them. Imagine a US autoworker making a inferior car (in order to keep it affordable with union wages) adding 10% to the cost of our cars on top of a inflated wage? I bet you think this would only affect the shareholders , am i right? What if there were no share holders? where would the money come form to update the plant ?expand wages and employment.
Stop talking the Obama socalist progressive i hate america line untill you understand the basics. You just sound foolish and nobody takes your post seriously!
Shawn3179, the US does not have the highest corporate tax rate in the world and we are probably ranked somewhere around 7th or 8th highest, and that is the advertised rate. Now, lets talk effective tax rate. Let me name one company GE. 2010 they had a tax credit of $4.3 billion to apply to 2011's taxes. So if we have the highest tax rate, then how did they get a tax credit? The one and only reason corps invest in other countries instead of here is the cost of labor! Why wouldn't you pay someone $.25 /hour rather than $15-20? Greed is the name of the game and if we are the biggest consumer nation to sell to, what is going to happen when the consumers don't have any more money to spend? Down the tubes and that is exactly where the corps are taking us!
Get a life Shawn and stop watching Faux news and listening to that fat a$$hole Rush L! They want to help take everything.
shawn next time your near long beach take a close look at what comes in and out of there.its the biggest port on the west coast.i know what goes in and out.ive worked there.all manner of crap comes into the u.s. and what leaves here is almost exclusively empty containers and food.ive seen lots of toyotas come in.maybe i just missed those thousands of gm cars being exported.
low taxes do not encourage investment.if youre faced with losing your money to taxes or investing for a deduction you invest.its why bonds are tax exempt.look at countries that have kept their tariffs.they have retained their manufacturing base.the reason is simple.the company makes just as much money manufacturing in the developed country as they would if they outsourced.germany is the perfect example.they have a 19 percent tariff.during our countries depression tariffs were proposed by the republicans and they resulted in large job gains.since they worked so well the first time the tariffs were raised to 60 percent.that was a mistake.once upon a time the republicans represented the working man.i cant understand your anti working man mentality
So long as the Islamists are in control, the economy in Egypt will continue to suffer. A large part of their economy was tourism. With the Islamists in control and the increasingly hostile environment faced by non-Muslims and westerners, there are few people who are going to consider Egypt as a tourist destination. It was westerners that represented the large majority of the tourist business in Egypt, and certainly a large part of the money spent by tourists. So long as westerners fear for their safety they will not go anywhere near the country. In addition, the new laws and social attitudes being forced on the population by the Islamists, are making it very hard for tourism businesses to operate. The social freedoms that Egyptians and visitors to Egypt enjoyed under Mubarak are gone. I could not see a western woman walking around in Egypt in western style dress being all that safe in Egypt today with the self appointed groups of Islamists going around enforcing their social values on everyone. Under the new laws they would face arrest for their "immodest" dress and actions.
Women in Eqypt don't just have to worry about being arrested, but much worse about being fondled or violated by crowds of men, who under the teachings of Islam will treat and use a woman as more of an object or property, inferior in human status to men (As recent news have shown). Since the authorities are now operating under a extreme muslim worldview, they will not interfere with such behavior.
The author of the article either does not have the courage to call the situation by what it really is (not politically correct), or did a poor job of researching the root cause of the problem. The economic and social issues are not the cause of the violence. The islamic brotherhood government is the root cause of the economic and social issues, which people respond to with violence.
As long as Boehner and his Cronies remane in office, I believe we will be headed down that road soon.
You spelled two words incorrectly in your post. Remane and Boehner. It should be 'remain and obama'. What a knucklehead.
Right......and when these 'radicals' express hope in destroying the Gaza pyramids, who the hell wants to go near them? Where you have Islam you have radicals......they just can't separate the two!
Mossad, Black Bloc, UAE Police Chief Behind Recent Unrests in
Egypt
TEHRAN (FNA)- A senior Egyptian analyst revealed
that the Israeli spy agency, Mossad, as well as a mysterious group of masked
young men called the Black Bloc who present themselves as defenders of the
opposition to President Mohammad Mursi's rule and Dubai Police Chief Dahi
Khalfan have played the major roles in fomenting the recent unrests in Egypt.
"The so-called Black Bloc group, Mossad and also the team
of Dahi Khalfan, the police chief of Dubai, play the influential roles in
creating chaos and unrests in Cairo," Ebrahim al-Darawi, the director of Cairo's
Palestine Studies Center, told FNA on Wednesday.
He said that the
newly-formed Black Bloc group persuades the Egyptian youth to stir chaos and
embark on acts of sabotage by promising them better job opportunities.
Darawi referred to the UAE's opposition to Egypt's ruling system, and
said, "Dubai Police Chief Dahi Khalfan's team plays a major and influential role
in supporting the plots hatched to create chaos and unrest in Cairo."
He
warned that the advocates of chaos in Egypt will stage street wars in the
country in the future to topple President Mursi's government and empower the
remnants of the former regime.
Violence which erupted in Egypt last
Thursday has so far claimed an estimated 60 lives. Thousands of protestors
openly defied a curfew on Monday night as troops were deployed across Ismailia,
Port Said and Suez - three cities put under emergency rule for 30 days.
The unrest, which had also gripped Cairo and Alexandria, appeared to
wane on Tuesday, although near Cairo's Tahrir Square some youths again hurled
stones while police fired tear gas. Street cleaners swept away remains of burnt
tires and other debris.
Army Chief Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi, who is both
head of the Egypt's military and its defense minister, said that "continuation
of the conflict" could lead to the "collapse of the state and threaten future
generations."
He added that one goal of the troop deployments was to
protect the Suez Canal that is vital for Egypt's economy and world trade.
"The continuation of this situation, without a solution from all
parties, leads to serious consequences affecting the stability of the country,"
el-Sissi said, adding that "the Egyptian army will remain the consistent and
solid pillar of the state."
The US-trained general made his remarks
while addressing military academy cadets. His remarks were published on the
armed forces' social network site.
Egypt: Prosecution Orders Arrest of 'Black Bloc' Considering Them Terrorists
29 January 2013
Egypt's Attorney General Talaat Ibrahim ordered the arrest of all members of a group that goes by the name "Black Bloc" on Tuesday.
He has asked the police and army to arrest anyone who is suspected to belong to the group and hand them over to the authorities.
The prosecution's technical office has run investigations that revealed that "Black Bloc is an organized group that practices terrorist activities," reported the Middle East News Agency.
The prosecution's statement added that according to Egypt's criminal code, members of the group will face punishment for vandalism, attacking citizens and properties and threatening national security.
The group first appeared at demonstrations that were held over the weekend to mark the second anniversary of the January 25 revolt that toppled Hosni Mubarak.
"Chaos against injustice" is the group's motto as shown on their official Facebook page which has garnered almost 30 thousand fans over the weekend.
These guys have "Agents Provocateurs" written all over
them.
Why is this a surprise? They were hugely dependent on tourism and that is gone - when you start a war, you had better be prepared to deal with the aftermath - and it usually isnt easy. They had it relatively okay under Murbarak - now, where is the new government and its promises??
Now isn't this the pot calling the kettle black.
A blind man could see this coming. The big mistake was Obamas. He changed US policy to "support change rather than stability." Now all Africa is paying the price.
And Obama could have stopped this? Without embroiling us in a civil war?
The president of America is king of the world and determines the path to be taken in every situation. Noting outside of the presidents will can ever happen. This is Obama's fault.
Obama shouldn't have been so quick to help bring down Mubarek and Qaddaffi. He did it for personal glory, without a thought as to what could have happened if he waited. If Obama had remained neutral, none of this would be his fault, but nope, not the anointed one. His actions played a part in this, played a huge part in getting our ambassador murdered and are now playing out in Algeria and Mali. Bush at least was man enough to accept responsibility, unlike Obama.
Can you tell me what Obama did that was biased in one direction or another? Can you tell me what he did that was not a neutral position? I thought the American played a very neutral and hands off role in the Egyptian revolution.
No Alias...one needn't bother to try to explain Obaaamaaa's foreign policy to you, mainly because he doesn't have one expect to make pretty speeches about how great Muslums are and how we as the greatest country in the world should be ashamed of ourselfs for being the greatest country in the world. His lack of backbone on behalf of standing with the previous leaders because they did form a block against extremists has now cost many more lives and and has now allowed the spread of even more chaos and killing in the name of religion. So go ahead and defend him, but remember one of these days this country is going to be in the same position as the average citizen in Egypt is now, in fact it is already happening...higher gas prices, higher milk prices, higher bread prices, lower pay or in some cases no pay at all, coming at us, another 846,000 job losses. My question to you is, where will you be when the riots start breaking out. Do you think the government is going to protect you?? They'll be too busy trying to protect themselves (as the elite always do) to even think about one lil ol Alan.
your kidding of course! The muslium brotherhood have been a favorite of Obama's since day one. Even though classified as a terriorist group Obama and biden ( who called them a secular group) have had there leaders visit the white house more times than our allies. On the last visit Obama gave them 1.5 billion of money we do not have to give away.
Once again Obama fails but got his real agenda thru. The supporters of Obama will never see his real agenda because of misinformation and very low education or wordly experience. The rest just want him for his race (for reasons of pride) even though the minority unemployment is at all time highs. As long as he says what they want to hear and then blame everbody and every event for its eventual failure his supporters will listen only to him.
As for you trolls it's like this Murburak lied to his people, the ones that put him there.That is a his and his peoples problem, but as far as the US goes they, the Egyption, are still doing what we pay them to do for us. If you are having problems with our aide to Egypt you need to talk to the Senate as they were the ones that approoved the barganing chip with Egypt. If you don't know what your talking about, you should shut up and learn Grasshopping Troll.
Allow me to correct myself here Morsi not murburak.
What a knucklehead you are 666dogs.
No, I don't think so.
Obama read the political winds. Mubarak was coming down short of anything but a full-scale invasion. The military had already begun turning on him, and Obama saw that and began to get cozy with the new rulers. Because, whether WE like it or not, those would be the people he would have to deal with. That's politics.
Qaddaffi was a bipartisan call to arms, even though they tried to excoriate him over the procedure. Hell, many wanted boots on the ground, so at least that didn't happen. But to call Qaddaffi's overthrow as solely Obama's doing? When McCain went there himself to see and be seen handing around supplies? When NATO was the body that decided Europe could not be destabilized by a prolonged civil war in Libya, and it would be better to just oust Qaddaffi now than let it protract into an all-out slaughterhouse with who knows coming into power afterwards?
I blame Bush for Iraq because he sold us a lie. Obama didn't pretend that everything would be rosy after the revolutions. He did what he needed to politically to keep some inroads with the new governments. But, like I said, nothing he did short of invasion would have kept these things from happening. Want proof? Syria's about to fall, and we have @!$%#-all to do with that one.
One likely outcome is that the Muslim Brotherhood fails as a governing party, chaos in the streets continues, and the military has to step in to impose order. We're right back where we started 30 years ago. The new Constitution is deeply flawed, a power grab by the Islamists, not a blueprint for success.
The unrest, in my opinion, is indicative of the fact that there are far more liberal secularists in Egypt than the right would have wanted us to believe. I almost lost hope when the Brotherhood implemented a flawed constitution and made power grabs but the continued mobilization of pro-democracy forces in Egypt is reason to hope, in my opinion.
No-adam, as I perceive it Muburak betraid the Brotherhood. I may be wrong here, but if you are going to have a Constitution that is for the "people" it must be free of regligous context. Our Constitutionis free of religion but does say the people are free to practice the beliefs.
I mean Morsi.
666dogs, go take a nap.
6Dogs you are correct in your assessment. Many of the extremists at the time felt betrayed by former Pres. Mubarak including the Muslim Brotherhood and Salfins. Pres Mubarak walked a very fine line trying to keep all the factions in check. He was older and tired in the end. Tantawi and the SCAF (Supreme Council of Armed Forces) were viewed as not to be trusted. This is why Shafik supposedly lost the election. He was viewed as being too closely tied to the former regime.
JD in SD. Are you here in the country? If so what area are you in? I live in Heliopolis and travel extensively throughout the country and have not seen anything like you are describing. Further, I dress here just as I do in the states and have not been harassed or accosted by what you call "self appointed groups of Islamists going around enforcing their social values on everyone". Even in Upper Egypt (I was just out in Sohag) this is not happening. The tourists are incredibly missed, but they are safe and even consistently assured to tell their countrymen that Egypt is safe.
The economy here definitely IS horrible, but the U.S. is definitely not helping. And the worst offenders are the American staffers at the American Embassy. Under Ambassador Hill, if an Egyptian applied for an American visa the criteria was very clear. Now, the visas are horribly expensive (1000 LE PER PERSON) and there is no criteria for the application. Further, and I have experienced this all too much, the Egyptian will go in to the appointment, be horribly treated, then declined without explanation. On top of all that the application fees are non-refundable! Just a few weeks ago I was in the Embassy with a dear frined. She is a Copt, widow (her husband died of a heart attack at a young age), and she speaks three (3) languages (Arabic, English, & French) fluently, and has a job waiting for her in the states. She has two (2) very beautiful daughters. After several months she got the call to come back into the Embassy. (A 2 hour drive for her) We arrived at the embassy only to be told (in a very condescending manner) that she had been declined. When I asked why she had been declined and if we could have that in writing so that her job in the states could be held, we were told that the American Embassy does not provide explanations regarding the visa process. Further, to add insult to injury, she was told that the 3000 LE that she had scrimped and saved for was NON-REFUNDABLE, but that she could apply again as soon as she earned another 3000 LE. We asked for a receipt of the 3000 LE but was, again, declined. The same thing happened with another friend of mine. They are Muslim: He is an Accountant (CPA) and she is an Egyptologist. Their daughter is a first year University student. Again, same situation and circumstances. No explanations or refunds.
Under Ambassador Hill, the Americans had a good reputation. However, he retired and about a year went by before Ambassador Patterson came into the office. During that time the staff earned the reputation for being HORRIBLE. During the revolution, the American staff evacuated FIRST, turned the phone system on to the recording without any information as to where Americans needed to go to be assisted. The website did not offer any information either. It caused a GREAT deal of problems here in country. My friends and I know we can rely on the Egyptians in times of difficulties over the American Embassy.
Finally my household staff (the woman who cleans my flat, the man who irons my things, etc) are all Egyptian. The Americans at the Embassy live in Embassy housing and employ foreigners (i.e. Saudi's, Kuwait's, and Jordanians) this is a big bone of contention for the Egyptians.
Anyway, I apologize for going on about the issues of the American Embassy, but they do not help the economy which they easily could do. Further, they do not portray a positive image of the U.S.
Nor does the press/media for that matter. Egypt IS safe for tourists. It is many of our wishes here, that the Americans come back. They are missed. The French tourists come, as do the Canadians as well. We have seen the Brits and Scots here as well. we work, teach, and try to help the Egyptians as much as possible. there are definite concerns regarding the extremists. however, I have total faith in the Egyptian people to take control and lead their country into a better and more democratic state. This is being accomplished by the works of people such as H. H. Pope Tadros and the Sheik of the Grand Mosque Sheik al-Azhar (A liberal) working together to make a difference. However, their work is not being publicized (I am not sure why).
Are you here and seeing something different?
In kind regards,
The blame America first meme.
Elitists never fare well in a revolution.
No, it's not.
"despite the presence of hundreds of riot police"
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/egypt-clashes-spill-landmark-cairo-hotel-18346446
If you've read, how to win friends and influence people, you should known it (the story) has to be believable.
@Kpr37 No one is blaming the U.S. if you read my post what I said is, that from my experience, the U.S. is not helping the situation. The staff at the embassy are elitists who do not live or interact with the Egyptian people. They talk down to them. they could be doing so much more. (and actually did under Ambassador Hill) Most of the Americans at the Embassy do not even speak Arabic. And the new Ambassador speaks a different dialect ~~ not the Egyptian dialect.
(2) I would agree with you that the staffers ARE elitists. But those of us who live in and among the people are cared for. I have lived among since 1997. It is not unusual to have household help ~~ especially in the larger buildings. We work together in our different fields.
(3) The hotel that was attacked/looted as the story reported had been evacuated and closed. The SHOPS were attacked NOT the tourists. The tourists are well protected and had been moved. If you look at the passage you quoted the hotel was alerted by the demonstrators. Further, the riot police are there to protect the people and be a barrier between groups. It is not their job to go into the hotel to get the looters. The Antiquities Police are the ones (along with hotel security) who protect the hotel from looters. This was accomplished. The Egyptians (normal Egyptians that is) go out of their way to protect the tourists. Finally, from what is appearing on social media here (i.e. fb, twitter, etc) the Egyptians (people NOT the government) are trying to reassure the tourists, other hotels. They are reporting that the looters who were caught are carrying foreign papers. (2 are carrying Egyptian papers).
While these reports and incidents are harmful to tourism, the media does not report the entire story. For example, it has not been reported that a shop vendor who was in the middle of a transaction ended the transaction with the tourists, told them that he would take them to a safe place until the issues were over. He actually took them to his home! He lost his shop. It is being reported that the tourists who were with him were French.
I hope this balances things a bit for you.
In kind regards.
The United States is not responsible for the success or failure of the Egyptian government or economy. DRJILL, To say "the US is definitely not helping" is a dose of reality for Egypt and other countries looking for US aid. Fix your own problems!!!
A colleague of mine just told me I should elaborate on a couple of things for you. I should have thought of it and apologize for not explaining further.
(a) When I say the American staff members do not live among the Egyptians I forgot that not too many understand what I mean. Here, most of the American Embassy staff members live in an area called Maadi. This is like the Beverly Hills of Cairo. It is extremely high end and expensive. It is paid for by the American government. Further they live in the American compound/area where most Egyptians could not even afford to walk through. When I say that we (people/teachers/archeologists, etc) live among the people it means we actually live in Egyptian areas in flats and buildings owned by Egyptians. For example, in my area there are very few Americans. those of us, living here in my area prefer to be immersed in the culture. There are other areas/compounds that cater to foreigners and are mixed with Egyptians. One of these areas/suburbs is called Rehab. There is a large contingency of British, Scottish, Europeans that live in the area. Further many young Egyptian families live in that area as well.
(2) My colleague wanted me to also bring it to all of your attention that mostly business people stay in the downtown areas. Most tourists stay out in Giza by the Pyramids or by the airport where many hotels are. the take their excursions from there.
I hope this helps to elaborate a little bit and provide understanding.
In kind regards.
@ Big Dawg-3501358 The Egyptians ARE fixing their own problems. The Egyptian people WANT the U.S. to stay out of it, pull back on the aid, and allow them to find their own way. They want and cherish the American people and tourists, but they do not care for the American government's interference. Nor the IMF for that matter but people here are iffy on that one.
This is something that people in the U.S. and amongst the American government do not understand.
I hope this helps you understand the Egyptian people's position.
What you don't understand is once Egypt elected someone like Morsi you lost the support of the American people. I visited after the Sinai was returned, but would never consider another visit to Egypt. Not going to any country where Islam is the majority religion. You elect the same group that bombed the WTC the first time and say you cherish the American people? In America we call that a bald faced lie.
You blame the US for not accepting more musliums here when unemployment is in the 20% range? We do not owe egypt anything let alone access to our country. Where you bring your values and bitch about ours! We cannot even say Merry Christmas without offending sombody here.
If it were up to me immegration would be like australia. 1- This is australia our customs are ours if you do not like it leave! 2- want to live here bring somthing to the table, cash job skill that WE need. and be able to support yourself. 3- feel free to pratice your religion but do not protest ours , or leave!!
Obama has been running ads in Mexico telling them to come enjoy the freedoms of america. I saw this in november in Guatulahara.
Until those countries allow those refuges from other neighboring countries to have full citizenship and the same rights as their citizens to work, own a business, buy property, equal voting rights (if any) nothing will change in the Middle East. Even the children born to these refuges aren't granted citizenship, or their children, and so on. Google 'bidoon'. Many Iraqi families fled to Egypt before the Iraq War. Jordan is going to need to address extending citizenship to the Syrians who may not want to return home. This is the humanitarian argument for granting Palestinians statehood...those who move to neighboring countries for a better life, but are treated as second-class citizens, become the breeding grounds for extremists who hurt their communities there and the world at large.
Their issues are unique...show some respect to our global partners (and hopefully future partners.) If you want to criticize someone, I'd start with Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld for getting us into Iraq despite the largest global protest in human history (according to Guinness Book of World Records.) The harm that cause Uncle Sam abroad is still being felt.
That's an interesting point. Economies grow in various ways and allowing immigrants citizenship and the opportunity to contribute to society in meaningful ways is important. Thanks for bringing that point to the forefront of the conversation.
We have to create turmoil in Egypt. Peaceful and a strong Egypt would bring trouble for Israel in future. West and Israel should support the opposition in Egypt. A divided nation always invites conquest. We don't want to conqueror Egypt but we can let Egypt burn like Syria. Destruction of Egypt and Syria would be a blessing for Israel. Weak Egypt would be no threat to Israel.
We don't need to do anything. Foreign meddling is what got Egypt in this predicament in the first place. The American government needs to stay out of this and let it run it's course whatever that may look like.
Except that Israel supported a strong Egypt and they were at peace for years. Egypt and Syria decided to focus on hating their Jewish neighbors instead of helping themselves. Egypt and Syria burn because they reap what they sow.
The economy is certainly a problem. Recovering from a civil war takes time and cooperation from all surviving parties. Then there is a population who kill dozens of their neighbors over a sports game, then more killings because of a judgement from their court system, & even more killings at the funerals of those previously killed. These people do not encourage improvement nor even existence of outsiders to bring in much needed cash flow. Having the country in the hands of a terrorist organization that wants sharia law imposed is probably the main reason tourist industries will not recover.
Did you all see that picture.
Thats how the gun control morons want us to defend ourselves against out of control government
They will be banned as well
thats what GHW Bush said about Dukakis in their election campaign, actually he said " if he had it his way he'd out law every weapon system right back to the sling shot" but your probably right, they gotta go , too hard to keep track of
Egypt violence is rooted in lowly evolved behavior, not politics or economics.
WTF, violence in Egypt? How can this be? Egypt was the Obama/Clinton crowning foreign policy achievement.
As the economy tanks, the people get violent? No! It can't be! That implies poverty causes crime. Dickens, Hugo, Zola, & all those other 19th century writers couldn't have based their stories on facts. The War on Poverty discovery that the poorer the area/demographic/era, the higher the crime rate, was just a fluke wasn't it?
Poverty is a character flaw. The Sacred Church of the catholic & Capitalist Almighty Dollar says so.
"Poor education, youth disenfranchisement, unemployment and poverty have created a reservoir of resentment between the young men leading the protests and the government." This is the reality that Islam cannot fix as it is a failed quasi governmental, religious/political system. When they come into the modern age and begin to join the rest of the world with rights for women and children, embrace quality education they will be ready to join the family of man. Until then they will just languish in their failed religion.
That picture will be U.S. Citizens trying to defend ourselves after Big Gov takes away our Second Amendment.
ban slingshots!
Heck no, give them rifles....
of course I was kidding. Egypt took their rifles this is all they have left. Welcome to your future Amerika
I have an idea how we might save the "Brotherhood" from economic collapse.....Let us send Obama, Hillary, Harry and Nancy over for an extended stay. They have saved us and I am sure they can do the same in the desert. Get them a camel and turban and lets ship them out.
Obama did it the devil made me do it my goodness a bunch of crybabies get over it president Obama is your president for 4 more years and Remember Obama Care(S)
I can still hope for impeachment of the Clown!
He may be your president but he certainly isnt mine!
Pay close attention to what is happening in Eygpt as it will soon be happening in the USoA. And you can thank your messiah for it.
This is the future of America as soon as the economy belly's up. Were it not for 47 million Americans on government assistance it would happen today. Soon and very soon the pot will run dry and we'll need those guns, trust me.
Maybe we can send more Jets to the President to use against his own people to get them back in Line! Mr. President you support this guys fanny find a way to save it.
That picture will be U.S. Citizens trying to defend ourselves after BIG GOV takes away our Second Amendment rights.
It's most natural that people would blame the United States in other countries. They always want our help but in return never want to help us when things go wrong. Each country needs to start dealing with there own problems. Stop blaming the United States or it's Embassy in there country. The Embassy is only there for United States citizens who need there help.
But Kevin 412385 as I said in my post....the U.S. Embassy does NOT assist the Americans here in country. I am an American. Even Ambassador Stevens (RIP) tried to guide and train the staff on his visits here when no Ambassador was in place in Cairo, but the staff are a group of extremely selfish and rude people. To me they do not represent the U.S. or American ideal at all and should be rotated back to the U.S.
Or... it could be rooted in the entire known history of the country over thousands of years. Or... could be the entire region of the world.... or, ya, suppose Hillarwe didn't dump off enough cash to keep everyone happy.... never seems to be enough cash to dump off and redistribute... idiots at the top of the pyramid schemes (get it) just keep wanting more and more... just like here in the good old USA. Hey, get Kerry over there with some cash and a few bottles of ketchup... if he can find the plane.
Ah.....I can see it now Michelle on a White House balcony shouting out, to the peasants, "let them eat cake."
She can't stand on the balcony and shout.... when she is not paying for some magazine to name her the most beautiful woman in the world and have her photo shopped pics taken... she is either bitching at Barry for playing with his celeb, reporter, and show girl women friends in the back halls or she has a mouth full of cheeseburgers in the closet. No time to shout such things for wonderful Michelle. Who by the way, has been quite absent for the last several months other than a few official 10 minute public appearances since Barry got caught playing with the Thai PM, the reporter girl who has been "with him" all these years, that celeb singing girl, and all the trips to Vegas with the show girls.... hmmmm.... remember, everyone around Barry is sworn to secrecy with serious consequences..... oh my, not Barry....