A suicide bomber blew himself up at an entrance to the U.S. Embassy compound in Ankara, Turkey, on Friday. NBC's Richard Engel reports.
A suicide bomber blew himself up at an entrance to the U.S. Embassy compound in Ankara, Turkey, on Friday, officials said.
U.S. State Department and Turkish interior ministry officials said the bomber and a Turkish guard were killed in the attack, which took place about 1:15 p.m. local time (6:15 a.m. ET).
"Clearly, it’s a terrorist attack," State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said in a media briefing, adding that the U.S. condemns the hit in strong terms.
The bomber, who was wearing a suicide vest, made it to the first X-ray machine in a screening area leading to the visa section, police sources said, and then detonated the device.
The Turkish security guard standing nearby was killed, but two guards on the other side of the checkpoint, behind bulletproof glass, survived. In the immediate aftermath of the attack, sources had said three people were thought to have been killed.
Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan said the bomber was a member of the Revolutionary People's Liberation Party-Front, or DHKPC, a far-left group designated a terrorist organization by the United States and the European Union.
That group, started in the late 1970s, "has periodically targeted both Turkish officials and been virulently anti-U.S. and anti-NATO during the Gulf War and continuing to today," Michael Leiter, former director of the U.S. National Counterterrorism Center, said in an interview with NBC News.
"During the past several months Turkish officials have targeted the DHKPC and it is possible that this was in retaliation for those police raids," he said, adding that the group's reach was believed to be limited to Turkey and the immediate region.
There was, however, no claim of responsibility.
Nuland said a Turkish citizen was hurt and is in "serious condition." Reuters reported this victim was Didem Tuncay, a journalist on her way in to the embassy to meet U.S. Ambassador Francis Ricciardone. Several U.S. and Turkish staff members were hit by flying debris and treated at the scene.
"We're very sad of course that we lost one of our Turkish guards at the gate," Ricciardone said, according to Reuters, thanking Turkish authorities for their response.
Turkish television footage taken shortly after the attack showed smoke rising from the area and a heavily damaged door that led to a side street.
Turkish media reports identified the bomber as Ecevit Sanli. Reuters said Sanli was previously involved in attacks on a police station and a military staff college in Istanbul in 1997.
Nuland said the attack happened on an external perimeter access site whose level of security protection ensured that the strike wasn't worse.
The White House said Friday it was not yet clear who was responsible for the bombing.
"The attack itself was clearly an act of terror," Jay Carney, White House spokesman, said in a briefing with reporters.
The State Department said the U.S. will cooperate with the Turkish side on the investigation into the attack.
Erdogan, who was attending a ceremony in Istanbul when the blast happened, said the attack "shows that we need to fight together everywhere in the world against these terrorist elements."
In an emergency message Friday, the State Department said Americans were "advised to not visit the Consulates in Istanbul, Adana or the Embassy in Ankara until further notice."
"The Department of State advises U.S. citizens traveling or residing in Turkey to be alert to the potential for violence, to avoid those areas where disturbances have occurred, and to avoid demonstrations and large gatherings," the message said.
In Berlin on Friday, Vice President Joe Biden said that he appreciated an "expression of sympathy" over the attack from German Chancellor Angela Merkel, saying it reinforced the "very close counterterrorism cooperation that exists between Germany and the United States."
On Sept. 11 last year, U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans were killed in an attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, prompting concern about security for diplomats.
On Jan. 23, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that she took responsibility for not adequately protecting U.S. personnel in Benghazi. Her voice choked with emotion as she remembered the return of "flag-draped caskets" and putting her arms around relatives of those who died.
Nuland said on Friday that after Benghazi, every U.S. post in the world reviewed its security. She added that the embassy in Ankara is one of the posts due for a complete compound overhaul. The building housing the embassy was built in the 1950s and needs a full upgrade, Nuland said.
Homegrown Islamic militants tied to al-Qaida have carried out suicide bombings in Istanbul, killing 58, in 2003. The targets were the British consulate, a British bank and two synagogues.
In 2008, an attack blamed on al-Qaida-affiliated militants outside the U.S. Consulate in Istanbul left three assailants and three policemen dead.
In the November 2003 attack on the British consulate, a suspected Islamic militant rammed an explosive-laden pickup truck into the main gate, killing British Consul-General, Roger Short, and his assistant, Lisa Hallworth.
The State Department says on its website that 15 people who claimed they were associated with al-Qaida were arrested in July 2011 for gathering explosive materials in preparation for an attack on the U.S. Embassy in Ankara.

Mehmet Ali Ozcan / EPA
Turkish police secure the area after an explosion at an entrance to the U.S. Embassy compound in Ankara Friday.
It added that the July plot and other incidents "show a willingness on the part of some terrorist groups to attack identifiably Western targets. The possibility of terrorist attacks, from both transnational and indigenous groups, remains high."
The State Department says the PKK Kurdish rebel group is the "most active terrorist organization in Turkey." It said the PKK had historically targeted Turkish government and military interests, but had recently "threatened increased violent activity in Turkey’s urban areas, and there is credible information suggesting that it intends to continue targeting tourist areas as well."
Earlier this month, about 400 U.S. personnel arrived at Turkey’s Incirlik Air Base to support the deployment of a NATO Patriot missile battery to help defend the country from possible incursions by Syria’s forces during that country’s ongoing civil war.
Reuters, The Associated Press and NBC News Staff Writers Kari Huus, Alastair Jamieson and Becky Bratu contributed to this report.
Related:
From April 2011: US ally Turkey flirts with Mideast's 'bad boys'
After decades of oppression, Kurds get taste of freedom as Assad's troops flee



Quick Susan....run thru youtube to find a video!
Cue the republican conspiracy theories. Why wait until there is some "evidence".
U.S. State Department spokesman Harry Edwards said at about the same time that it did not yet have any details on the Ankara explosion and could not immediately confirm any attack.
Harry, turn on the news......its playing live!!! CBS this Morning...
Yea DeadHeadEd the Democrats never roll out anything without real evidence about Embassies. What a FRIGGIN IDIOT.
fedup
The congress cut the state departments budget again. They had to get rid of their TV's and cable.
Being it was a suicide bomber that detonated at the embassy entrance killing 2 people obama has to scramble to pin the rap on someone.
Ed, it seems you haven't been keeping up with the news for the last several months. It is Barry and Hillary who prefer 'politically expiedient' answers, rather than hard facts. No one does coverup better than them!
..... A youtube video indeed, lol! Sheeple believed that story, so it must be ok, eh?
Well someone did it!
It is the Republicans that demand immediate answers before there are any and then complain about why the story changed when the facts are discovered.
Another suicide bombing, apparently. Looks like the religion of peace is at it again......
ahole(#1)
Let me see.......It is the Mohammad video fault.......
Are we better off in the Meddle East Mrs. Clinton, 2016 Democrat Candidate for President, the best Secretary of Statesssss in History.
Cue rabid Susan Rice accusations? Er, no, maybe - YES! - Hagel's fault! Perfect! I can hear McCain and Lindsay Graham in their news conference now -
Dick-2100935,
When the government stages photos, pretending they're watching a live video feed of Bin Laden getting killed, and it later comes out that there was no live feed, it has gone beyond fact discovery and story changing. "Lying", "fraud" and "hoax" would be more accurate descriptions.
Thanks Hilary! Way to go out on high note!
Good God, what were you independents and Hispanics thinking when you voted in this administration a second time?
WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE...AT THIS POINT? (I'm quoting Hillary as she dodged questions about the bungled Benghazi disaster)
The good news for the new Secretary of State, he can follow his bosses game plan and blame Clinton.
Is it too early to blame John Kerry for all this, and drag him in front of McCain so McCain can appear relevant?
Considering there were numerous attacks during the 8 years of Jr Bush with no huge outcry, are we going to have to go through the whole conspiracy, lack of strength, failure of leadership BS that we just went through with Bengazi? If so, it's going to be a long next 3.5 years. It will help ensure that nothing of any value to the country gets done while the Republicans witch hunt though.
Democrats give wrong answer hiding the facts. Because it is not convenient to tell the truth.
Only Hispanics my friend, independents vote for Romney in larger number.
Well when you have Rice, Hillary and Osama Obama going on national TV/Media claiming one such attack was due to a video even though they knew it was a lie then of course others are going to want answers.
I'm glad you are OK with Obama and Clinton lying and desecrating dead Americans. They stod there and lied over the caskets of dead Americans, the same ones that they refused help and watched via drone coverage while they were killed. Why do this? Well to try and cover there arse for suppling terrorists with shoulder fired missles
It's a fricken suicide bombing and you all are already arguing over which American political party is at fault. This has nothing to do with our country or our politics. Get over yourselves. My word...
Probably just the tip of the ice berg. The leadership in Iran, Syria and Hezbollah are none too happy right now, given recent events. Let's face it folks, the war is on and has been for a while. But, of course, Obama will say it was a criminal act and that the perpetrators will be brought to justice or some such other non sense.
If what you say is true and there was no live feed I have to admit each one around that screen deserves the actor or the year award. It was convincing, damn convincing. Must of have been the constant practice for the news I guess. Anyway thanks for the secret info that no one else has.
Don't you mean "cue the democrat's lying CYA conspiracy theories?" Why wait until there's evidence when there are thousands upon thousands of YouTube videos that had nothing to do with it that can be blamed?
No, but it's never too early to pre-emptively blame unrelated YouTube videos...and then hypocrtically accuse others of "politicizing" it.
If the REPUBS claimed that Benghazi was the worst attack in recent history (forget that 9/11 stuff we couldn'd have known that we are Repubs after all) then this latest attack must be................let's see 3 killed vs. 4..................must be 2nd worst at 3/4 ths the impact....................Why don't the Repubs release some money to build fences and gates further from ALL of our embassies..........that should keep some people in far away places working...............Oh wait, that would be Halliburton wouldn't it? and then that should only cost a few billion or so, until the overruns
nah this country doesn't slander Islam, but Christanity? Yea it's open season there.
duck season
rabbit season
duckseason
rabiduckseason
Program note: The Administration has requested all of the Sunday shows to host Susan Rice this Sunday. Susan is making her way to the WH right now to get her talking points, while President Obama has suddenly scheduled an appearance in Las Vegas to give a speech on the art of finger pointing and blame casting. If you are an American and you recently made any videos or political statements involving Islam, beware you will be arrested in a few days.
Lets all complain about politics when two innocent lives died today shall we? Seriously people, the person who did this was an insane idiot...I'd venture to guess NOT a republican or democrat, and judging by the device used, not Green Party either. Why don't we all just call truce for the day and attempt to be humans for once?
this was done by the dumb asses that are suing LEGO for racism.
He made it to the first xray machine! Should of had one outside his door.
Where you got that, are you smoking , nobody says the "worst attack in history" , Republicans claim that incidents in Bengazy were mislead for the Government , it was a cover up to protect this administration. "......Osama is dead and AlQaeda is on the run...."
I thought the current administration declared the "War on Terrorism" is over!
JimO-2263992
Source??? Obama has not once said the war on terrorism is over.
Republicans will make a big deal out of this when there were 64 deaths at embassies during the Bush administration.
It's not a right or left thing. It's an American thing. Just like it was a Russian thing when they did it in the name of communism. We are the new bullies, in the name of democracy, and wonder why people don't like us. It's because we are bullies and use force to make our point. We should stay out of everyone business and countries.
Let's start counting the minutes before the Retardlicans point the finger at Kerry.
How's it not going Erectile Dysfunction-2874315
How about realizing that once again President Obama as Commander In Chief F**KED UP AGAIN ordering the US Military Patriot Missile Batteries to Turkey.
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Because Obama refuses to call it terrorism or a war, they are mere criminal acts in his mind.
Yes it does, failure of President Obama as Commander In Chief Ordering the deployment of US Military Patriot Missile Batteries to Turkey.
Anyone that has ever lived at Southern Turkey, Northern Iraq, Border of Syria, Border of Iran, knows that President Obama is currently supporting the Holy Warriors of Islam of the Fundamentalist Islamic Autonomous Kurdistanis Region, as the Fundamentalist Islamic Kurdistanis PKK, HPG, KGK, that were the Armed Allies of the USSR Backed Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran during the Iran Iraq Wars; and later allied to the Taliban, Al Quada, other Islamic Jihadists that escaped us at Afghanistan October 2001 and became Ansar Al Islam, as those we went after during 2001 Operation Viking Hammer (the Demoncrap LIE, no Al Quada at Iraq).
Here goes the blame game again. Why don't we really just blame the true culprit?--THE BOMBER! DUH. Start there. BTW, I would imagine that the bomber is dead, too. Which is the only good thing that comes from these events.
Sadly, the bomber didn't pretest the bomb out in the middle of nowhere first. Note to bombers--pretest all details, including explosion, while wearing device; best done in the middle of the desert. You don't want to be embarrassed by a failure with someone watching.
Last, but not least, condolences to the families of the victims of this terrible event. May the injured recover quickly and well.
Oh and don't forget that Napolitano quote that our boarders are secure and is better now than it ever has been, violence has not spilled into the United States.
Also more lies
oh, ok... so is this where we stage tens of thousands of troops, with billions in arms, humvees and military assault vehicles to invade Iran and Syria? Er.. oh wait, that would've been the last administration. Get your war back on America! We got military contracts ripe for the pickin and an economy just screaming "military industrial complex...crank 'er up"! Hey President Obama, don't you want your photo op on the deck of some carrier as you smile, lie and say "Mission Accomplished"?
LOL!!!!
I've only scanned the responses here, and actually that was enough, simply put, ignorance being spewed by the ignorant, the wanna-be's who think if they were in charge they would have been able to stop this, it's the President's fault, etc., but I'm surprised I didn't see any, "it's Hillary's fault!!!" YET...
KingK
The sources on this are conflicting: http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/10/16/replay-obamas-rose-garden-remarks-on-libya/
Obama has called these attacks terrorism, but there are other avenues that say otherwise. The problem in America, is we expect "Instant" results without always know the facts.
And lets not forget WMD in Iraq that the US gave Saddam which were destroyed, but Bush still illegally invaded Iraq, causing al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI), also known as al-Qaeda in Mesopotamia to be founded in 2003 as a reaction to the American-led illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq.
@ david-475776,
"Yes it does, failure of President Obama as Commander In Chief Ordering the deployment of US Military Patriot Missile Batteries to Turkey."
Why does everyone thinks everything is about politics? It's a god dam suicide bomber! Missile batteries aren't going to detect and stop a suicide bomber! If you actually think that has anything to do with this, than you are an imbecile. Nor is Obama supporting the Islamic radical extremists. Stop blindly regurgitating the biased media you absorb and think for yourself for once.
Here are some facts for ya
Oh, and another fact, Obama disbanded his jobs counsel after a year of inactivity. Apparently he is no longer willing to continue the charade of telling us that he is focused, like a laser, on job creation. This is a good as it gets under Obama. Can't have too many people employed, the Dems would lose votes.
que the stupid libtard comment.... oh thanks Ed for fulfilling that.
"Good God, what were you independents and Hispanics thinking when you voted in this administration a second time?"
Well I can't speak for everyone, but I'm an Independent. I was not exactly satisfied with Obama, but I voted for Obama simply because he wasn't Mitt "I changed my mind" Romney-care. As someone who lived through Romney being governor of my state, and lived through Romney-care which was the template to Obama-care, I had been through more than my fill of him. I would rather vote for Joe Biden's dog, and I'm not sure he even has a dog. The sad thing is Romney was the GOP's best candidate. Well actually, it was John Huntsman. But Romney came out as the GOP's top guy. It was pathetic.
Think about that... They couldn't do better than Mitt Romney, who even the Conservatives don't like! Maybe if the Republicans could field a decent candidate that I could vote for, I might have done so. Even if I'm not satisfied with how things are, I'm not going to just vote any tool into office because he claims to be a Republican. That goes especially Mitt Romney.
Here is something for all of you that have a very short and selective memory. Iraq
has weapons of mass destruction and we are going in to prevent them from using
them. Little pesky war that was never paid for and never answered for and
thousands died. Where is was the congressional hearing then? Let's waist are
time on a public hearing now because a potential candidate 3.5 yrs from now can
be grilled. It is much better to waste are time and effort on something that will not fix what happend and should have never been public for those enemies to see how and what we knew, then to get any real work done.
Faux News Flash!!!
Oh crap! What is a nitwit news agency to do? With the fallout from the Sandy Hook - gun control thing. To the Benghazi update #10,000,000 just hours away (remember 4 people died).
These news items will now go on the Faux News back burner because of this suicide bombing. Faux will spin, lie and place blame on my President and all the idiots who watch will go bat sh!t crazy ... Myself, I will get my Faux News update the same way I always have. Through Comedy Central.
Blame gamers are simpletons aka Teabaggers idiots.
Itsabouttime - first I did not say Obama - I said "current administration" do not put your foot in my mouth when you are doing it to yourself - Since I cannot cut and pste the url, just google and type in "obama the war and terrorism is over" you will see many articles that refer to the administration claiming just that.
It was our embassy, it has everything to do with our country and yes, politics. The second attack on an embassy in 4 months and we still have no answers from the first one other than the fact that it wasn't a video or a spontaneous protest. No arrests have been made, so why not keep doing it? But this shouldbn't be happening after The President declared that AQ was dead and on the run. And you would think that with the best Secretary of State in history, the results would be far better in the region.
I'm sure we'll be told soon that this is just more "workplace violence"!
Wow, now the delusion has reached an all time high. Have you had your head in the sand for the last 4 years. Give me an example of one media desiaster that Obama has taken responsibility for and not blamed on whatever boogey man he can think up that the weak minded sheep will believe. Keep that head buried, reality must be really hard for you.
JimO-2263992
My bad. I thought the current administration was indeed led by President Obama.
I did the same google search, and sorry, FAUX news as the source? That's like saying the Easter bunny is real. Someone in the administration said it, NOT President Obama.
Bottomline: We all know the war on terrorism is NEVER over.
Reaction to a very crude and inflammatory video - the source of the problem - in Obamanation
Kerry better pick up the pace - fast - if he's riding the corruption train Barack is driving
But, OBL is dead and GM is alive - and unemployment up to 7.9%
Bizzaro world
Gas might see $4 next week
where was all of the moral outrage from the righties when there were ELEVEN embassy attacks under President Bush's watch?
On June 14, 2002, the terrorist group Al Qanoon, which was suspected to be an al Qaeda branch, sent a suicide bomber into the U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12 people and injuring 51 others. Nearly a year later, four were convicted of plotting the bombing, which blew in windows and left body parts all over the sidewalks near the embassy. (Source)
On February 28, 2003, Gunmen on motorcycles attacked the U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing two police officers and wounding five other officers and a civilian in front of the consulate. (Source)
Late in the evening of May 12, 2003, gunmen entered Al Hamra Oasis Village in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, a compound known to be inhabited by Americans and other Westerners.
On July 30, 2004, three suicide bombers targeting the Israeli and U.S. embassies in Taskkent, Uzbekistan managed to kill two and injure nine others.
On December 6, 2004, terrorists stormed the heavily guarded U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, occupying it and taking 18 hostages for a time. When the incident was over, they had killed nine people, including four security guards and five staff. (thank you to TCTC blog)
.......and that's just his first term.
it is also relevant that the republicans in congress voted to CUT funding for embassy security so as long as you feel compelled to point fingers, you've got a few to point in that direction
how is it that you can blame the person who pulled the trigger rather than the weapon, but you blame the president/sec. of state/any convenient democrat instead of terrorists themselves?
an attack on a American consulate is an attack on America, people! this is the time when we should be pulling together as citizens instead of playing the blame game.
aaaaaaannd let the reactionary righties start trying to hide the comment in 5...4...3... 2.....
FedupwithFed
ROTFLMAO!!!!
I told everyone yesterday that we better be careful when the "racist" Coca Cola commercial was being shown that the religion of peace would be protesting.
I doubt it had anything to do with this attack but I'm sure Barrack Hussein et al are scrambling to use it as an excuse.
Of course we all know NOTHING is Barrack Husseins fault. Hell if we're real lucky Barrack will just blame Bush, he hasn't done that in a while.
This presidents foreign policy is as bad as his domestic and economic policy.
If you show you're weak, then they will take advantage of you. Let things slide, don't stand up for what our country was and hopefully could be again. Those who want to see this country destroyed are getting stronger as we get weaker.
Geez, now they are gonna want to ban bombs next. Oh wait, they are banned... how could this have happened!
I wonder if these Embassies ever thought of putting Korans in them here and there and making that known to the public? No self respecting suicide towel head would blow up their Koran.
Steamie so it is the Teaparty's fault. Wow, now I get it. Never ever ask any questions. That will work. Stop using any reason and accept the fact that this administration know exactly what it is doing. I'll sleep better now.
This is what happens when you have a policy of proportionate or no response to terrorist acts against the US - see Benghazi attack.
Looks like the mentally challanged are out in force this morning, from both sides of the fence.
"If what you say is true and there was no live feed I have to admit each one around that screen deserves the actor or the year award. It was convincing, damn convincing. Must of have been the constant practice for the news I guess. Anyway thanks for the secret info that no one else has."
They were watching telletubbies. They couldn't fathom that one of them (with a purse) is a boy. Afterwards sesame street came on and Obama was blown away by the letter of the day and was concocting a pitch to offer cookie monster more chocolate chips for his vote. He was also interested in helping oscar the grouch with his amnesty plan. When they told him that Oscar was, in fact, not hispanic he couldn't handle the truth.
I guess it's easy to forget the Democrats that also voted for it. Like the wars that the vice-president voted for also.
@ERIC/BULLDOZER "Republicans will make a big deal out of this when there were 64 deaths at embassies during the Bush administration."
Terror Attacks while Clinton was President
1993,Feb. 26, New York City: bomb exploded in basement garage of World Trade Center,
killing 6 and injuring at least 1,040 others. In 1995, militant Islamist Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and 9 others were convicted of conspiracy charges, and in 1998, Ramzi Yousef, believed to have been the mastermind, was convicted of the bombing. Al-Qaeda involvement is suspected.
1995, April 19, Oklahoma City: car bomb exploded outside federal office building, collapsing wall and floors. 168 people were killed, including 19 children and 1 person who died in rescue effort. Over 220 buildings sustained damage. Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols later convicted in the antigovernment plot to avenge the Branch Davidian standoff in Waco, Tex., exactly 2 years earlier. (See
Miscellaneous Disasters.)
1995, Nov. 13, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: car bomb exploded at U.S. military headquarters, killing 5 U.S. military servicemen.
1996,June 25, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia: truck bomb exploded outside Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds of others. 13 Saudis and a Lebanese, all alleged members of Islamic militant group Hezbollah, were indicted on charges relating to the attack in June 2001.
1998, Aug. 7, Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania: truck bombs exploded almost simultaneously near 2 U.S. embassies, killing 224 (213 in Kenya and 11 in Tanzania) and injuring about 4,500. 4 men connected with al-Qaeda 2 of whom had received training at al-Qaeda camps inside Afghanistan, were convicted of the killings in May 2001 and later sentenced to life in prison. A federal grand
jury had indicted 22 men in connection with the attacks, including Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden, who remained at large.
2000, Oct. 12, Aden, Yemen: U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole heavily damaged when a small boat loaded with explosives blew up alongside it. 17 sailors killed. Linked to Osama bin Laden, or members of al-Qaeda terrorist network.
Finally he was offered to have Bin-Laden handed over, but (there always is a BUTT) refused!!
At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it? Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant to step the ocean and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest, with Bonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue ridge, in a trial of a thousand years. At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reaches us, it must spring up amongst us. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher.
-Abraham Lincoln
We are causing our own destruction. Decades of failed foreign policy and foreign intervention have brought us to this place.
"It was our embassy, it has everything to do with our country and yes, politics. The second attack on an embassy in 4 months and we still have no answers from the first one other than the fact that it wasn't a video or a spontaneous protest. No arrests have been made, so why not keep doing it? But this shouldbn't be happening after The President declared that AQ was dead and on the run. And you would think that with the best Secretary of State in history, the results would be far better in the region."
No arrests were made over the war in Iraq and weapons of mass destruction. And no one was tried over the embassy attacks under other Presidents like Bush. And I'm not complaining about it. However, if you are going to let it go that way that time, you can't just do a 360 degree turn about because the Democrats are on watch. It doesn't work like that conveniently partisan double standard.
This is just part of the danger with having embassies in that part of the world. It wouldn't matter who was in charge, whether it be republican or Democrat. There will always be people who hate us, especially in the middle east. This was a psycho who threw away his own life to kill 3 people. Tragic for the poor people who got taken with him, but otherwise completely insignificant as far as accomplishing anything of any note. Stuff like this happened when other people were President, but I never heard you guys complain about it so much before. Bunch of hypocritical nonsense is what it is. You can't have it both ways.
Yet another embassy attacked on Obama's watch. How's that war on terror working out? I was under the impression that if we elected Obama president, then foreigners would quit hating America and start loving us... Apparently we were all a little naive....
You include the Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols incident in this? What a moron. Why not include every DWI death.
Since when did suicide bombers ever care about who was in power? These incidents show a lack of competence on those who planned the details of securing those locations. You really think ANY President reviewed and approved the plans in that area?
The first Trade Center incident? Any moron could have loaded up a van with the components and drove into the underground garage. It was easy because those using the building whined if they had to park and walk.
I find it odd that the same responses some claim would stop these people are claimed to be useless when applied to firearms. Maybe is we stayed out of everyone's business over the past sixty years we wouldn't have so many of these problems. Either way when so many were traced to Afghanistan, we invaded Iraq. Great move.
Turkey is a Nato country, has been for a loooong time. So are we. on Dec 4 2012, Nato agreed to Turkey's request to augment Turkey's air defence due to problems Turkey is having w/ Syria (namely the shooting down of a Turkish jet by Syrian forces in June and the killing of five Turkish civilians in Turkey by Syrian shelling in October). On 21 Dec 2012 NATO announced the decision to site Patriot batteries at Kahramanmaras, Adana and Gaziantep. the participating countries are the Netherlands, Germany and the US. On Dec 26 2012 The first Patriot battery, provided by the Netherlands, is declared operational and placed under the command and control of NATO.
These are the facts, easily verified by a quick google search. I assume we were the target of the bombing because it creates the bigger headline
HA, HA, HA, LACK OF COGNITIVE REASONING SKILLS GodOfFate.
THE PEOPLE AT TURKEY WERE VIOLENTLY DEMONSTRATING AGAINST PRESIDENT OBAMA'S DEPLOYMENT OF US PATRIOT MISSILE BATTERIES TO TURKEY.
TYPICAL DEMONCRAP AS UNEDUCATED NO COMMON SENSE, TOO LAZY TO DO RESEARCH.
And FYI, I have been to US Ally Turkey for Mountain Warfare Training, the Autonomous Kurdistanis Region of Northern Iraq during Operation Viking Hammer, etc.; unlike your NO FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE GodOfFatheads.
It's a shame, and does not bode well, that the one muslim country in the world with a non-theocratic government has to endure incidents like this. They even tried to help the Kurds when Bush Sr. left them to twist in the wind and be gassed, under Saddam Hussein.
Best wishes Turkey, hope you can stop the bombers from future attacks. Maybe they will just have to cut the flow of refugees from their border.
Right wing sarcasm is at such a level on all topics lately as to render all rational discussion useless. Instead of people talking about new Al Qaeda efforts all I see are sarcastic references to the youtube video that sparked mid east violence months ago and the likelyhood of efforts to shift blame. Even references to the gun control issue.
Facts aren't all in yet, but it looks like suicide bomber uses public entrance to embassy and explodes himself at the security check point. This is why you have the check point. I see nobody to blame except the terrorist.
Of course the only thing that makes anti-American terrorists happier than when their plans are successful is when it sets Americans against each other. So have at it people, make the terrorists happy.
Coming from someone who is an actual independent thinker...
It is ridiculously funny seeing lefties and righties attacking each others parties and ideologies. Bush this, Barack that.
You are both correct... f-ck Bush and motherf-ck Barack... f-ck both parties... both are to blame for the sh-t hole America is presently in. Apparently most Americans are too f-cking knuckleheaded to comprehend that. Which is why had that failure GW for two terms and this failure Barack twice.
Thanks Republicans!
Thanks Democrats!
...for completely sh-tting all over this country then being stupid enough to argue amongst yourselves about it.
At this point in time, what does it matter?
The illusion of choice between supposedly differing political parties serves as a diversionary force, diverting the scrutiny of the masses away from its rightful target and towards each other. We're wasting our outrage on each other instead of bringing it down on any politician -without regard to their political affiliation- who supports continued foreign intervention around the world when there is no other U.S. interest to be served other than the support of the military industrial complex.
But many of the local population in the areas where the missiles will be based are against the deployment and angry at the presence of foreign soldiers on Turkish soil,
“As Muslim Turks we are against foreign soldiers,” said Mr Tutuen, the President of the Kanhranmaras division of the religious Felicity Party, in the south eastern region of Anatolia, it was reported Wednesday by the UAE English language newspaper, the National.
Since NATO troops started to arrive in Turkey, there have been protests by Islamist and leftist groups. In the town of Kahramanmaras protesters burnt US, NATO and Israeli flags.
About 400 German troops will man the Patriot batteries in Kahramanmaras and will live in a Turkish army barrack overlooking the town, which is about 100 kilometers north of the Syrian border.
But the locals are skeptical at the nature of the mission and if the missiles will protect them at all.
“If they put their missiles here, that means we will be the first place that will be attacked, doesn’t it?” Alaatin Namli, a local shop owner, told the National.
“Is there a war of Syria against Turkey? No, there isn’t. These missiles are for Israel and against Iran,” said Malik Ecder Kirecci, who runs a corner shop next to the barracks housing the German soldiers.
Tuesday saw several hundred protesters gather in Iskenderun and outside the Incirlik NATO airbase in Adana against the deployment. Police broke up the demonstrations with tear gas, pepper spray and batons.
Seven German soldiers have already been mobbed Tuesday in the port city of Iskenderun, in the southern Turkish province of Hatay.
from RT published 23 Jan 2013
DO NOT LIE, YOU ARE B!TCHING AND MOANING. WITHOUT EVEN RESEARCHING THE FACTS:
President Clinton's US Law H.R.4655 Section 3 US POLICY OVERTHROW OF PRESIDENT HUSSEIN.
Those of us that were the US Military Training Teams to US Ally Iraq during the Iran Iraq Wars stated our opposition, as we knew from firsthand experience that President Hussein was the Counterbalance to the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran, using his own Iraqis Oil Wealth and the lives of the Iraqis Citizens of the Iraqis Military. We were threatened with UCMJ Actions, Detentions, Relief from Command, etc. so;
In 1998 we went into Iraq and hired about a hundred thousand Shia Iraqis mostly from Iran to Overthrow Sunnis President Hussein.
Due to President Clinton's Gutting of the US Intelligence Agencies, there were no local Pro US Iraqis intelligence assets to link up with, as they were no longer funded; so to survive and make money to feed their families, most of the previous Pro US Iraqis Intelligence assets had become Iraqis Counter Intelligence Agents, Iraqis Military Intelligence, Iraqis Law Enforcement (or Iraqis Secret Police), and they were waiting for us to attempt something. So the almost hundred thousand Shia Iraqis we hired as assassins and insurgents were captured, tried, executed as "Traitors" and dumped into mass graves. President Clinton spun this to "Dictator Massacred His Own People".
Because of President Clinton's Failure, the next was his as Commander In Chief Ordered 1998 US Military Operation Desert Fox. It was President Clinton's belief that by targeting the Iraqis Political Leadership, he would not have anyone to negotiate Peace (the step down of President Hussein from the Presidency of Iraq), so he Ordered the Airstrikes and Cruise Missile Attacks of the Crowded Urban Poor Areas of Baghdad. Again from experience, you do NOT f**k with the Poor of Islam, we then opposed and were restricted from Targeting, and only Target Damage Assessments. The Results thousands of the Poor of Islam died during the Airstrikes and Cruise Missile Attacks, Worldwide the over 1.5 Billion Islamic Believers condemn the US as the Great Satan.
FROM FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE (SURVIVING) THE WAR AT IRAQ STARTED WITH PRESIDENT CLINTON'S US POLICY, OVERTHROW OF PRESIDENT HUSSEIN AND US LAW WITH US CONGRESSIONAL APPROPRIATIONS. As since 1998 we have been at Iraq conducting Overt and Covert Activities to Overthrow President Hussein. Later on after 2001 Operation Viking Hammer, and Operation Hotel California, President Clinton's US Law, H.R.4655 "Iraqis Liberation Act of 1998" became 2003 US Military Operation Iraqis Freedom.
Good God, what were you independents and Hispanics thinking when you voted in this administration a second time?
What were we thinking? Two things: One, thank God he's not Romney; Two, good to have a president who doesn't see women, minorities, poor people, and old people as second-class. Maybe if Romney spent time reaching out to those groups instead of bitching about how they're part of the 47% who would never vote for him, he just may've won the election.
what were we thinking? I was thinking that Romey had such a low opinion of women that when he wanted to hire one he had to order a catalog
I'm sure you could find plenty of footage of the Iraq & Afghanistan Wars on YouTube.
Stir up a hornet's nest, expect to get stung. Repeatedly...
This is what happens when an incompetent community organizer pretends to be president!
This is what happens when an administration is too afraid to challenge global terrorism.
This is what happens when you deny terrorism exists and your change the names to be politically correct.
This is what happens when Barrack Hussein shows weakness and tells the Taliban and Al Qaeda when we’ll be withdrawing our troops.
Terrorists don’t care about political correctness, they just worry about jihad.
Just last August a United Nations report showed that millions of dollars continue to flow into Al Qaeda networks, mostly from Saudi Arabia.
Al Qaeda "is, by all accounts 'alive and well' and poised to strike again how, when and where it chooses," the draft report said. It continued, saying Al Qaeda's prime targets "are likely to be persons and property of the United States of America and its allies in the fight against Al Qaeda.
The report said Al Qaeda operatives have used accounts in Malaysia, Cyprus, the Seychelles and Switzerland to receive the funds, usually in amounts in the $10,000 range.
We don’t quite hear the bravado our incompetent president and vice-president had about killing Osama Porn Laden do we?
Just as many of us said, when Osama Porn Laden was murdered, his death is simply symbolic for us and 9/11. It means little if anything to the global efforts against terrorism. Al Qaeda was NOT a picture on a “Most Wanted” poster. It’s a wide spread well organized, well funded, well armed, menace.
Until Barrack Hussein takes off his mom jeans and starts to address this we will see more and more of these senseless attacks and more Americans killed because of his incompetence.
The problem is, Barrack Hussein is too preoccupied with taking our Constitutional Rights away, leaving millions of Americans under/unemployed and creating the biggest debt in the history of the world.
This is the fundamental transformation of America he wants to create.
Apathy, dependence and mediocrity are his goals.
HAHHahahahhahHAHAHHAAhhaaa!
Appearantly you had awfully high expectations! (psst! the Tooth Fairy is also make believe, welcome to the real world)
Hold on while I try to care... nope still don't and all of you arguing over politics are morons and the reason this country is falling apart.
You were not "I was thinking", just listening to the typical Demoncrap Demonizing; or you would have bothered to actually listen to the Presidential Debates; "Binders Full (of Resumes) of (Qualified) Women".
And no I did not like Repugnant Presidential Candidate Romulan (what he might do), nor Demoncrap President Obama (the f**k ups he has done).
GodofFate,
A 360 turnaround? Really? Another low information voter. Here's your sign...
I watched every republican debate. and every presidential debate as well as both conventions. Perhaps you should think before you post
Michael-412302,
Blinded by the President Obama propaganda.
President Obama demanded in his Presidential Proposal to US Congress "Across the Board" Budget Cuts (Automatic Sequestration) to all previously Budgeted Programs (like Medicare, etc.), Projects (like US Army Corps of Engineers Infrastructure Projects within the US, etc.), Agencies (like FEMA, Department of Education, Veteran's Affairs), including chopping the Benefits and Entitlements of the "47%" (actual 49%, update 51%) to pay for the previously demanded in another Presidential Proposal to US Congress the spending of not previously budgeted for $2.1 Trillion.
Like I said before do NOT listen to what President Obama says, go research what he does/did (in writing).
Your misquote of Repugnant Presidential Candidate Romulan is proof that you did NOT.
Don't even attempt that Demoncrap deflection of blame game for your misquote of your post#1.84 "order a catalog".
All that carnage without an assault rifle with a 30 round magazine?
Republicans do this and Democrats do that, blah blah blah... When I everyone going to realize that it isn't just Republicans or just Democrats that are screwing up the country? IT IS BOTH PARTIES!!!! All politicians are more worried about stuffing their pockets with money than actually doing some good. Ever seen a poor politician on either side? If this wasn't true than lobbyists and private companies wouldn't be able to influence politics with their "campaign contributions", but they do all the time. Politicians aren't exactly retiring on social security and meager pentions like the average person. So they could honestly care less if an embassy or a truckload of soldiers gets blown up. They just put on a good show for the TV cameras and print out some boilerplate "We're sorry for your loss" letters and when the majority of the people forget about it they go about their business as usual.
itsabouttime - Glad you realize who runs this administration, so, guess who is responsible when someone in his administration puts out information to the media. You looked only at FOX when you googled, look again and you will see many left wing news agencies who bragged about the "A Senior State Department Official" issued statements since senior AQ operatives are dead "The War on Terror is Over". Now since you made the statement about Obama being in charge of this administration, who is responsible?
Terrorists miss the point.
Murderous as they are, they are still dumbs**ts as well. Where they go wrong is we have our own dumbs**ts right here in AMERICA! Our dumbs**ts just vote for one party only, never change their minds, but don't blow themselves up so they can keep being dumbs**ts for the rest of their lives!
In other words, our dumbs**ts are STILL smarter than terrorists.
Michael-412302
Sorry Michael, but your boy-toy Barrack Hussein wants you to be exactly that, second class.
Good God man, he keeps telling you Liberal/Progressive lemmings that the best you can become is a middle-class citizen. He doesn't want you to succeed or to be wealthy because in his little statist mind only the Ivy League faculty lounge elitists can be successful and rick. He and his intelligentsia are the Bourgeoisie and you are the Proletariat.
This is why he doesn't care about the economy. He is indoctrinating you into his new normal for America. High unemployment, high debt, high food and gas prices and illiteracy with most Americans only reading at an 8th grade level.
Unfortunately you Liberal/Progressive useful idiots worship at the altar of Big Government and are incapable of rational thought any longer. Barrack Hussein lives in a fairy tale world of rainbows, unicorns, social and economic justice and emotion driven reactionary solutions.
Try to keep up Spanky!
To Carl Heidleberg....You hit the nail right on the head...Too bad I can only vote once...
What is the point of having US embassies and citizens acting as targets for terrorists? We should NOT have embassies in these countries. Let the ambassadors (and their staff) stay HERE and do teleconferences with those governments. When the practice of ambassadors started and there weren't phones or the internet, NOW there are.
@ David-475776,
"HA, HA, HA, LACK OF COGNITIVE REASONING SKILLS GodOfFate.
THE PEOPLE AT TURKEY WERE VIOLENTLY DEMONSTRATING AGAINST PRESIDENT OBAMA'S DEPLOYMENT OF US PATRIOT MISSILE BATTERIES TO TURKEY.
TYPICAL DEMONCRAP AS UNEDUCATED NO COMMON SENSE, TOO LAZY TO DO RESEARCH.
And FYI, I have been to US Ally Turkey for Mountain Warfare Training, the Autonomous Kurdistanis Region of Northern Iraq during Operation Viking Hammer, etc.; unlike your NO FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE GodOfFatheads."
"Godoffateheads?" Really? David, with all do respect you are an imbecile and you sound like a bratty 10 year old. You also clearly have no idea what you are talking about. First of all, I have stated already that I am an INDEPENDENT. I say this many times, including already in this thread. It's no secret. Why do radical wing nuts like you always assume that everyone who disagrees with them is of the opposite party? Guess your just "too lazy to do research."
Speaking of research, have you researched how many embassy bombings have happened under Republican Presidents? But you never blamed them for it, did you? That's right, keep up the double standard like the radical partisan hypocrite you are.
Svenolafson
Low information, huh? Says the person who clearly doesn't understand that embassy bombings have happened before under different Presidents. Says the person who didn't complain about it then, but does now that we elected a Democrat for president. Hypocrites. If you all were truly sincere, you would be consistent regardless of whether a Democrat or Republican was in the White House.
I understand Barrack Hussein and John Kerry are practicing the standard Liberal/Progressive response to these attacks.
"What difference, at this point, does it make?"
As Hitlery Clinton proved, this statement can be used at any point in the investigation.
This administration doesn't care what happens to our dignitaries, especially in the predominantly Muslim Middle East. He has to please his own.
If we had a republican president they'd be fabricating WMD accusations so we could invade and occupy Turkey. The only counter to terror is "good guys" using terror.
Wow. Newsvine has sure been busy collapsing comments today. Now I have to go open them all up.
People love us; we're awesome. (repeat)
Have you ever lived there (Turkey). By the way NATO, not Nato; just like SEAL not Seal.
The Decision to Deploy the US Military Patriot Missile Batteries was up to President Obama as Commander In Chief, that is HIS RESPONSIBILITY.
From Firsthand Experience:
At the Fundamentalist Islamic Autonomous Kurdistanis Region of Northern Iraq, Southern Turkey, Syria, Northwestern Iran; the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran's Special Forces, Quds, has been training, arming, funding MILLIONS of Holy Warriors of Islam, like the International Al Quada Franchise (AQ, AQY, AQS, AQI, AQAP, AQIM, AQ Somalia, etc.), Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG aka "the Libyan Rebels"), Army of Islam Pakistan (not the Pakistanis Military), Pakistanis Taliban, Army of Islam Gaza, Hezbollah (Party of Allah, Palestine, Lebanon, Gaza, Libya, South and Central Americas, etc.), Hamas Foreign Fighters (Palestine, Libya, Gaza, South and Central Americas, maybe Mexico, etc.), Islamic Chechen Foreign Fighters, Muslim Brotherhood (Alexandria Egypt), Kongra Gel/Kurdistan Worker's Party (KGK/PKK), Jemaah Islamiya (JI), Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG), Fatah al-Islam (FAI), Ansar al-Islam (AI), Ansar al-Sunna (AS), Abu Nidal Organization (ANO), Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade (AAMS), Al-Shabaab, Ansar al-Islam (AAI), Asbat al-Ansar, Gama'a al-Islamiyya (Islamic Group), Harakat ul-Jihad-i-Islami/Bangladesh (HUJI-B), Harakat ul-Mujahidin (HUM), Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban of Afghanistan, Islamic Jihad Union (IJU), Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU), Jaish-e-Mohammed (JEM) (Army of Mohammed), Jemaah Islamiya organization (JI), Kata'ib Hezbollah (KH), Lashkar-e Tayyiba (LT) (Army of the Righteous), Lashkar i Jhangvi (LJ), Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group (GICM), Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MEK), Palestine Liberation Front (PLF), Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), PFLP-General Command (PFLP-GC), Harakat-ul Jihad Islami (HUJI), Jundallah, etc.
add Haqquini Network (Pakistan, Afghanistan), Ansar Al Shariah (Libya, Tunisia, Algeria, Mali).
They are trained in Asymmetric Warfare (Insurgency) as the "Proxy Fighters" of the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran to Fight the US and Overthrow the Established Government of US Allies Worldwide.
And US Ally Turkey is providing the above Kurdistanis PKK, HPG, KGK, and AQI as the "Syrian Rebels" with Safe Havens to attack Russian Federation Ally Syria from, as Funded by President Obama thru US Ally Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.
Just like President Obama supported the Overthrow of US Ally President Gaddaffi by supporting the "Libyan Rebels" of Al Quada Saudi Arabia (AQ), Al Quada Islamic Maghreb (AQIM), Al Quada Syria (AQS), Al Quada Yemen (AQY), Hezbollah, Al Quada Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), etc. That went to Libya to Murder US Ally President Gaddaffi the Collaborator to the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers as Islamic Law, "Collaborators die a horrible murdering to dwell in that Firey Place"; get the Libyan Military Depots of Decades of weapons, ammunition to attack the rest of Africa; release the US Guantanamo Prisoners including President Obama's transfered to US Ally President Gaddaffi's Prisons; get the 20,000 portable shoulder launched SA-7 Anti Aircraft Missiles to shoot down US Airlines to "cripple the US Economy".
Update: Verification of above by SOS Clinton:
General Ham Commander US AFRICOM warned President Obama, Result, President Obama demanded General Ham's Letter of Resignation after General Ham volunteered the US AFRICOM Military Forces less than 2 hours away during the over 7 hour attack of the US Consulate (Benghazi), with President Obama opposed. Just like General McChrystal warned President Obama about the Iranian Special Forces training, arming, funding the Taliban, Al Quada, etc. coming here; President Obama told him to shut up, later on demands General McChrystal's Letter of Resignation, just like General McChrystal's predecessor General McKiernan. US Ally President Mubarak warned President Obama about "Increased Al Quada Like Activities" result President Obama chopped all US Support, US Assistance, US Funds and called US Ally President Mubarak "Dictator", same thing when US Ally President Gaddaffi warned President Obama about "Increased Al Quada and LIFG Activities" President Obama chopped all US Support, US Assistance, US Funds calls US Ally President Gaddaffi "Dictator" then in violation of US Law, 1973 War Powers Resolution President Obama orders the US Military to attack US Ally President Gaddaffi. The President's Own Executive Intelligence Agency, the CIA, also warned President Obama about the above before.
Like I stated in other posts, Lori W-2777522, President Obama does NOT listen to anyone. Result President Obama IS Directly Responsible and Accountable for the Unnecessary Deaths of US Citizens and US Citizens of the US Military, as to what General McChrystal as his Duty as a US Military Officer attempted to warn the US Public about as what his President Obama Political Appointees on General McChrystal's "High Level Staff" kept saying, "This Administration Does Not Know What It Is Doing".
example: President Obama during the Reelection Campaign inflamed the over 1.5 Billion Islamic Believers Worldwide as, "Osama Bin Laden is Dead, GM is Alive".
The Islamic Believers Worldwide repond to President Obama with "Obama, Obama, We Are All Osama", "Obama War Against Islam".
Ansar Al Shariah as previously the "Libyan Rebels" supported by President Obama start planning the attack of the US Consulate at Benghazi (not far from where they are at) to coincide with the Greatest Defeat of the Great Satan (US) by their Holy Warrior of Islam Superstar, Osama Bin Laden, on 9/11.
Wow, many of you are sooooooooooo far out there in your beliefs and completely selective in your thought process. Really, impeach Obama because an Embassy got bombed? That's a great idea, we should let the terrorists dictate who our President is. If that was the case we wouldn't have had a full term President since 1979. Those accusing Obama and the state department of being responsible for a "lapse in security, did you even read the article? The bomber was stopped at the first X-Ray machine and detonated the bomb there, just as the security is designed to work. Pathetic. We lose Americans and you start blaming Americans instead of the terrorists, do you really think that makes this country strong?
@ red.curry.chicken
Perfect. When will people wake up to the fact that both parties could care less about anyone but themselves.
One thing I have to disagree about though... green curry is way better :)
godoffate,
STILL
"HA, HA, HA, LACK OF COGNITIVE REASONING SKILLS GodOfFate.
Don't care In Depends (stuff in full adult diapers), Demoncrap, Repugnant, YOU did not research anything before inserting YOUR foot into YOUR mouth, so YOU have to resort to personal attacks (failed deflection of blame for your uneducated posts).
YOU have NOTHING to ADD To Newsvine's "Get Smarter Here".
TYPICAL UNEDUCATED ATTEMPT TO DEFLECT FROM THE CURRENT ARTICLE AND RECENT EVENTS.
And YOU don't know if I did or did not blame them EITHER. YOU HYPOCRITE.
Wow, so less than 10 dead Americans in Turkey and Bengazi now and we want to attack this administration. 3000+ dead on US soil during W's reign of terror...not a peep. Why the double standard you freaking hypocrites. It is ok though, all Republican are GOING STRAIGHT TO HELL for your arrogance, ignorance and Hypocrisy. Frankly, I am tired of your retarted double-think. IE it is ok for me to receive charity from the government, cheat on my spouse, lie and steal....but other can't do it and I will be the first to point my finger, I also go to church every weekend, so I am ok....keep thinking that crap righties, won't help you while you are buring in the PITS OF HELL!!!!!!
ItsAboutTime...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6QXI0nI6E0
GodOfFate,
You clearly don't know what a 360 degree turnaround, turn about, whatever is. 180 maybe?
Rocky #1.105
You make more sense than many people on this feed.
hypocrisy @#1.110: Methinks you might be the hypocrit. Just sayin'.
Hard to believe the repub and demo idiots are still on here bitching back and forth. Election is over. Now on the topic. Wonder what the muslim religion promised that moron.
Amen to that Yata Pi
It is time the U.S. worries about themselves, and not stick their nose into every other country's buisness...After all, if sewing a U.S. flag on your backpack when travelling to a foreign country makes you a target for terrorism, as we have seen many times, then there is obviously something wrong...Sorry to say...1.36 Carl said it best.
hypocrisy1776 IS A HYPOCRITE:
HISTORY (Go do the Research):
The Director of the CIA Bush, later President Bush (41) Built up the US Intelligence Agencies as the Envy of the World after the Fall of the USSR and KGB.
President Clinton (42) Believed that the Cold War Era US Defense, US Intelligence Agencies, US Military were not longer needed.
So President Clinton as Commander In Chief Ordered the Cuts to the US Defense Budget; Gutting the US Intelligence Agencies leaving the US Blind and Deaf to the Events leading to the 9/11 2001 Attacks per Bipartisan US Congressional 9/11 Commission (Committee) Investigations, Findings and Recommendations with former President Clinton saying "I'm a so sorry";
Cut to the Bone Reduction In Forces of the US Military so when President Bush (43) had to accomplish President Clinton's US Policy Overthrow of President Hussein in accordance with Section 3 of President Clinton's US Law H.R.4655 "Iraqis Liberation Act of 1998" Section 2 Findings (Justifications) Weapons Of Mass Destruction, it took from 2001 till 2003 for President Bush (43) to rebuild the US Military (our arses were at Iraq since 2001 Operation Viking Hammer and 2002 Operation Hotel California waiting) with President Clinton's US Law, H.R.4655 "Iraqis Liberation Act of 1998" becoming 2003 US Military Operation Iraqis Freedom.
Previously, to piss off Osama Bin Laden as well as the rest of the Islamic World, President Clinton (42) had attempted to accomplish the Overthrow President Hussein with 1998 US Military Operation Desert Fox, as the Airstrikes and Cruise Missile Attacks of the Crowded Urban Poor Areas of Baghdad, as it was President Clinton as Commander In Chief idea that attacking the Iraqis Political Leadership there would be no one to negotiate Peace (the step down of President Hussein as President).
This murder of the innocent Poor of Islam resulted in the over 1.5 Billion Islamic Believers Worldwide to condemn the US as the Great Satan.
Osama Bin Laden after being released by President Clinton (42) after the 1993 First World Trade Center Bombing then starts planning the 9/11 2001 Attacks while having Islamic Sanctuary of the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban Government of Afghanistan, with Afghanistan locked down tighter than North Korea and due to President Clinton's Gutting of the US Intelligence Agencies, the local Afghan intelligence assets were no longer funded so the US had to rely on information (not even close to intelligence) from "Potentially Hostile" Nations like Pakistan, Jordan, etc. with the US Allies Intelligence Agencies not allowing US access to their Intelligence nor Intelligence Assets for fear of compromise (death of their intelligence assets) by the US.
Also because President Clinton (42) Chopped the US Defense Budget, the recommended US Army Corps of Engineers Infrastructure Projects within the US were no longer funded. So the US Army Corps of Engineers did not have the Funds to accomplish their Upgrades, Building New, Maintenance, Repairs, Modifications, Retrofits, etc. of the Levees of New Orleans before Hurricane Katrina. US Congressional Katrina Hearings, and later US Congress Exoneration of the US Army Corps of Engineers.
Other US Army Corps of Engineers Projects that must be funded years to decades prior due to US Congressional Reviews, GAO, CBO, Environmental Studies, long US Court Cases, etc. being Dams, Bridges, Berms (like the earthen levees that prevented some New Jersey homes from being washed away by Hurricane Sandy), Beach Erosion, Water Reserviors (droughts), Dredging of Streams and Rivers (previous Floods and Doughts), Irrigation Canals (Droughts), Sea Walls, etc. that were also mostly chopped by President Clinton (42) chopping the US Defense Budget (I was not kidding about years to decades in advance Funding).
Comment # 1 restored for clarity.
Mexico Is The AntiChrist banned, for death wishing Mexicans. Not good.
Leaving many comments collapsed, lots of derails.
Agreed !
Then we can close all those military bases around the world and bring our boys and girls and explosive toys home too. Heck, we'll probably save enough money in the budget to pay off the debt in a YEAR.
We can alll hide under the covers and say to each other, "i don't see no bad mens!!"
thank you Sally... watch for him to rereg, haters can't help themselves
Ah new life for McCain just as the Hagel grilling ends. How fortuitous for him - one more opportunity to grandstand.
After all of obamas and clintons lies about benghazi. I heard obama ordered new NO BOMB ZONE signs hung up at all our embassies! The dumbass must of ordered them all in english!!!!!!!! Too bad with all the money were spending on automatic weapons, 7000 recently ordered and 400 million rds of hollow point ammo, illegal by the geneva convention in war, for homeland security that obama could send the TSA over there to molest 90 yr old women and 4 yr old little boys. Oh thats right it wouldn't be politically correct to search muslims!!!! This administration is whack and we need to make alot of changes in 2014 and 2016. It's time to get these politically correct dumbass liberals out of office. Elect some people who will get us out of these countries or at least have some security at our embassies!!!!
Obama has homeland security spying on more americans then he does anyone else!!! What do you think all those weapons and bullets are for, his own little army. Why do you think he's asking his generals if they would fire on american citizens!!! Firing the ones who won't and hiring the ones who will!!!!!! The man has to have some way to take over our country. Declare martial law, go door to door and take away american guns. He has already made the executive orders!!!! Wala another dictator named barry barrack hitler instead of osama, oh I mean obama!!!!! Sorry I upset you liberals, but your'e hero is nothing but a wannabee dictator who is gonna relieve you of the constitution, the bill of rights, all of your'e freedoms. Your'e gonna be living with muslim law just like the 7th century kooks!!!! And to think he just took an oath to obey the constitution of the united states while his wife was holding the bible!!! You know the oath that says he is to protect american citizens, not make plans to shoot them using our military who also took the same oath!!!!!!! You know his wife who smirked and said "whats the big deal about the american flag!!!!!"
DrAlchemy...Shocked to hear you even know what Sesame Street even is!...But then again, from your co mments, you were obviously on set. And just so you don't forget..."A" is for Apple, and "O" is for Obama... Your President...
@ david,
I have a pretty good idea that you did not because you are clearly a partisan hack. Everything you post is biased right wing political propaganda. Of course you didn't fault a Republican, and you always blame a Democrat. Every single time. Obviously, it's not hard to figure out. And I apparently overestimated your age maturity at ten. You act younger than that.
@ svenolafson,
"You clearly don't know what a 360 degree turnaround, turn about, whatever is. 180 maybe?"
180 degrees is a half circle. It's also a straight angle, or in other words a flat line. You clearly don't know what a 360 degree turnaround means. I'm saying people like you did a full circle on their views. Didn't you ever take trigonometry, or even geometry? High School math at most. It's not hard.
And after you gave Republican Presidents a pass for embassy bombings on their watch, people like you did a full circle now that we have a Democrat as President. At least I'm consistent. I believe the embassy attacks generally have nothing to do with Republican or Democratic Presidents.
man...I can't wait till our King Obonehead and his little minions of leftists get that "dialogue" going , you know , the "dialogue" that was going to make us loved by the world as well as the universe , maybe he will get to that during his second reign as potentate , or maybe he will have to save that for his 3rd reign ,
Lori W said:
Thank you for that extra bit of information because it at least gives clues as to motives. Like the Benghazi thing, there will be clues if one looks for them. I wonder if the administration will be forthcoming on this one. I will have to wait and see how they spin it. I guess it is one of those evenings to look at both FOX and NBC, etc. and try to read between the lines.
Fedupwithfed said,
I hope not...PLEASE not that video fable again....
Sally ..(#1.119)..."Comment # 1 restored for clarity. "
Really ?? Then why was it allowed to be re-collapsed ?
Here is an idea... BAN Suicide Vests.... oh they probably are already... darn guess that didn't work.
Thanks Mike!
Why is it that the terrorists are called left wing? hmmmm
Every one of you anti-government twits, I have a little game for you. Think back, reeeeaaaal hard...... now, add up all the bogus terror alerts that were announced during the Bush presidency. got it? I doubt it, but we'll go on. How many arrests were made? Ok, now, how many terror alerts since Obama's been president? I could go on all day if you want.
Yes John you likely could go on all day and likely do whether we listen or not. Anti-government, I think not, less more efficient non socialist government.... Hell Yes. I care about my tax money and the waste and want not of our government how about you?
Johny
please do "go on all day" , it's some pretty funny babbling
not to worry - obama has elevated world opinion of the US in the middle east and projected strength and competance. Probably just an ash tray or something. God be with our ambassador and military personel
Yes, not to worry. Bush did so much to elevate our world opinion before he left office. Oh wait, it was the LOWEST It ever was when BUSH left office. Maybe it has something to do with Bush saying "He didn't really care about OBL".
Yawn.
Geez it'sabouttime shouldn't Obama take some responsibility(google it so you understand) and not blame Bush(who stunk also)......never mind go check the mailbox for your check.
Obama's middle east 'policy' has worked sooo well. We can see that in public opinion polls showing a 15% approval rating for his policy in Muslim countries (June 2012, Pew). Opinions of the US were lower in several Muslim countries (Lebanon, Egypt,Pakistan,etc) than they were in Bush's last year. Good job B.O. !!!
Tiredoflosers
Of course Obama should take responsibility. What amazes me is how some hold OBAMA to a higher standard then BUSH. I hold them both accountable to the very same standard. Course, we all know that if a fly farts in the middle of the Atlantic and it causes oil prices to go up, it MUST be Obama's fault. The GOP held the Obama administration to the fire over 1 embassy attack. Where was their GRILLING with the 12 embassy attacks during BUSH? Oh wait, my bad... That's blame right? Amazing how FACTS speak for themselves
Childish insults like that, would actually mean something... if I respected the opinion.
vigon-2763979
Oh yes.. why did Obama's approval rating fall in the middle east? Oh wait, perhaps it has to do with the capture of OBL. Google it.
Yeah. And how'd the Cowboy Bushyboy bomb-invade-and-occupy thingy dingy work out? Please fill us in and lend us your expert testimony. Lolz.
*eyes roll*
@HOTTICKET-2304234,
In case you didn't notice, Obama is in more wars than Bush and is planning to invade 35 countries in Africa this year. He is also still murdering innocent children in Pakistan with drone attacks every month. Bush and Obama are puppets to the same masters.
You have to go back to June '12 to find a poll that suits you, vigon? put your tin foil back on, go to Fools News and troll there.
Wish there was a place that said idiot instead of no value or inflamatory. Reynolds must be having a run on foil wrap.
Mike, go join vigon on Fools News. At least you can get something that suits your intelligence level.
Yes - because until Obama was sworn in, the Middle East was a bastion of peace, love and flowers. It's all his fault.
Who would that master be?
That's right "hotticket" Stick to the game plan! When confronted with fact's point over there and say, Look there's Bush!
P.S The Russian people thought Hitler was there to save them from Stalin also. In other words Quit comparing Bush and Obama. It makes you sound shallow.
Hey time, just so you know, opinion about the U.S. has been low all over the world, but opinion about the world has always been low in the middleeast, who pretty much concider non muslims to be heathens and must be converted, those who do not convert are then called heritics, and must be killed. Yes the christian religion had its bloody period in the middle ages, the muslim bloody period has never ended. It didnt matter what the poicies of either of the two presidents are, atleast under Bush the U.S. embassies were protected as much as possible.
Mike-1304143
Please tell me this is a joke? The only wars Obama has are the ones BUSH started. Invade 35 countries... lol. Please stop drinking the faux news kool aid.
Umm not even close...
Current status of mid-east, North Africa. Syria-in flames; Egypt-public is rioting against the leader that came to power with B.O.'s blessing; Libya-Obama helps them overthrow a dictator and now there is widespread chaos, terrorists murdered our ambassador in a planned attack, and multiple European countries have told their people to get out of Bengazi for their own safety(wish our president had done the same for his diplomats). This morning it's a terrorist attack in Turkey. Yes, W had flawed policies, but B.O. has created a rather fine mess of his own.
ItsABoutTime,
Blame Bush!, Blame Bush! LMFAO!!
Liberals. God love em! LOL!
Always wanting to blame someone. The US is so divided always want to blame who ever is in the White House. Tell me what you are doing to change your country if you are so unhappy with its leaders are you making your voice heard or just sitting there doing nothing!
religion and politics have this country soooo divided. im sooo ashamed of my country and the people that run it. feel sorry for our future.
Bobster-1557895
LOL.. it's not blame.. it's called FACTS. Oh yes, I must be a liberal, since I don't subscribe to "everything is obama's fault".
kazander50662
In case you didn't know. Obama's approval rating in the world is higher than Bushes. The world also wanted Obama more than Romney. That says a lot to me. There were 12 embassy attacks in Bushes President. That pretty much dispels ANY idea that they were more protected. Lastly, the GOP cut MILLIONS out of the embassy budgets.. hmmm.
Horrible that you can't put your opinions aside, grow up Bob.
Bush blamed Clinton for 8 years, Obama has 4 years to go the way I have it figured.
"religion and politics have this country soooo divided. im sooo ashamed of my country and the people that run it. feel sorry for our future.'
Sloey22, are you Turkish?
Bush isn't the president anymore, supporting the current administration is admirable to some, but doing so by pointing a finger at the last President is getting really old.
We still haven't brought the bastards who really did 9/11 to justice !! How about looking into that before we start another bull@!$%# investigation ...watch 9/11 Explosive Evidense ..it's on utube and will open some closed minds ...hopefully !!
You folks stating that the "worlds opinion" about America is on the rise, completely laughable. You obviously don't know a damn thing about what your writing about. I travel all the time, WE ARE NOT more popular than 8 years ago, we are LESS popular than ever. Go on over to Turkey and start with your complete BS, and then move on over to Europe and spend a few minutes with a few folks over there. Obama's "Islamic" policies are as popular as herpes. Friggin know nothings, drones of the media BS.
Muslim, a religion of peace, complete BS. Recent history as well as past history tells a whiole other story.
Johnm... ok, but I haven't finished watching all the videos on youtube about the coming zombie invasion or the illuminati taking over and putting us all in FEMA camps yet. Gimme a break, there's only so much time in a welfare recipient's day!
No Johnm, unfortunately it won't open their closed minds. It's like trying to push a toothpick through dried cement. It does not matter to these stone heads that the plane was to big to fit into hole in the Pentagon, that there was evidence of nanothermite all over Ground Zero or even that building 7 fell at free fall speed due to some small fires and minor cosmetic damage. The 9/11 report never even answered why the buldings fell. The problem is these idiots have the attention span of a gnat and won't spend the time to watch and hour long video or several of them explaining that what the Government claims can not be true. The people in the videos are also leaders in their industry and there are thousands of them speaking up
Your a know nothing koolaid drinking drone pal. You don't know squat about what your writing about. Been anywhere in the last 4 years besides your couch? Well I have been in 13 countries in the last 2 years, and your statement is flat out false. W, whom I despise, was not exactly popular, but Obama has the entire middle east and ALL of Europe pissed off big time. His "Islamic" policies are DESPISED for your information. sell your stupidity elsewhere, we're full up on here already.
From the LA Times,
Obama's Approval Abroad Is Slipping Thanks to Foreign Policy
The president's terrible foreign policy is hurting his international popularity.
The global glow has faded for President Obama since he took office, owing largely to disappointment with his foreign policies, a new poll from the Pew Research Center has found.
The spring poll included thousands of people across Europe, the Middle East and a scattering of countries in Asia and the Americas, including China, Japan, Mexico and Brazil.
"extremely chaotic" and that police sirens were "going off everywhere."
This is stated by a BBC correspondent?
Then this also tells me their news reports are normally exaggerated when he himself cannot give a realistic description.
fishman-1985527
All that you just stated is already proven false, but if ALL the reports you ever read are posted on anti-government propaganda pages what do expect? Any one with ANY amount of intelligence can easily find the truth on 9-11, the real facts are ALL there. Here is what you got wrong (The plane is too big (laughable, there were 100 civilian witnesses to the event) and yes large aircraft parts are found in the wreckage, NO building fell at the speed of sound, do you realize 1 second at free fall is over 14 stories, the building did not fall in 2 seconds!, the nanothermite issue is another Red Herring and proven false yet anti-government hacks will grasp at any straws to keep their dillusions alive.
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2009/08/23/more-bad-science-surrounding-the-nano-thermite-red-herring/
While I don't disagree with your statement of "Bush and Obama are puppets to the same masters," I do however disagree with the rest of the post.
Obama has really only intervened in one foreign conflict outside of Iraq & Afghanistan, that is Libya. And to call it a "war" and place it on the same pedestal as the Iraq and Afghanistan wars is utterly laughable.
Go ask former Senator Lieberman about President Obama's Secret Wars; as Senator Lieberman complaining about President Obama's Secret Wars as Illegal (no US Laws) and Unfunded (no US Congressional Appropriations).
And while we were at one of President Obama's Secret Wars, after Senator Lieberman's complaining, President Obama Officially Confirmed our presence to the International News Media with the Al Quada then offering the locals half a kilo of gold for proof of our deaths, prior to that the locals had no idea we were even there. So General Petraeus yanked us out immediately back to Afghanistan.
Cant you just see all the tnuts in congress and the Senate running around trying to organize their latest commitees so they can question people and posture because one right wing nut decided to get happy with 72 virgins and smear himself all over the American compound. How do you people vote for these idiots like McCain etal...Here is a message we are at war with the jihadists... we ar killing their leaders right and left on a daily basis. .....They will strike back....It is impossible with the footprint we have in the world to protect every station we have overseas 100%....Live with it there will be casualties until we convice these radicals itdoes not pay to be a radical!
First of all, Senator Lieberman is an a$$hole and I don't trust him at all. He was so far up Bush's and McCain's ass, that he'd say ANTHING to make Obama look bad.
And second, oh... so those war's are "secret" huh? Like super-double-cross-pinky-swear secret, or just plain-jane-run-of-the-mill secret?
Wow, Mrs. Clinton is too busy to hold a news conference because of her tight schedule today (giving those group huggies) and sends out a State Department representative to DISCUSS the Turkey issue (not so much on Turkey but a lot on Mrs. Clinton's farewell toasties).
Yep, some frontrunner for 2016.
Who cares, President Obama does not have to have someone else make him look bad for the actions that President Obama DID.
Senator Lieberman did NOT out us; President Obama did.
Looks like another guy finally got around to watching that anti-muslim video. Susan Rice, don't make any plans for Sunday.
No YouTube video to blame yet? They need to work on that one.
Looks like our government is playing the victim role like they want everyone else to do. Don't fight back, just lay your head on the chopping block, it is wonderful to be the victim! We love you criminals, do whatever you want to us, we want to pretend that violence doesn't originate in people, so do whatever you want to us, just ban those damn guns. We really don't give a s*** if you have a gun to kill us with, we just want everyone else (including victims) except the criminals to suffer.
Sure, all the world likes BO because he is a wimp, and if you dislike the US, like most countries do, you want someone with no backbone, afraid to do what the US people consider "the right thing to do". New York Times says about Hillary, 'I take full responsibility....but None of the Blame". They both have been to the same school.
kazar... don't be an idiot.. you can't bundle all muslim countries in the same category. I know for sure that in iran there are 180,000 christians living and they are not being asked to change their religion. there are also 25000 jews living in iran and the same goes for them. not that it would change your opinion, but each country in m.e has its own cultural background. Iran's government is oppressive and denies people the basic human rights, but it does permit the major relgions to be practiced w/o condition.accept for bahai faith.
Turkey has been the bullwalk against Muslim radicals in the European sub-Continent for over 100 years, they are now gaining a foothold, they have elected a radical Muslim government, fired all the army general staff and are replacing them with pro Muslim generals; Turkey is part of NATO, it must hold the line or else all of Europe is facing another Muslim movement ,that was destroyed by King Charles Martel 800 years ago at the battle of Tours; we have really screwed up in the middle east, we will pay a heavy price for our mistakes.
What? No? Say it ain't so bo! Terrorists? Can't be!
I have just read this story and reread it immediately to make sure my understanding was correct. I have not yet read any of the comments (but I intend to). I want to point out that under international law this is an attack on United States territory because Embassies and certain other territories belong to the nation whose embassy it is , just as at Pearl Harbor or 9/11 was. Under international law the United States could now declare Turkey because by their attack Turkey has declared war upon us and, therefore, we could legally attack Turkey and, if things go right for our side, capture it and occupy it. We could have done the same thing in Iran and Benghaizi for the same reason. In all probability, the United States will not carry matters that far and, in my opinion, probably should not do so. However, it is legal under international law. Therefore, anyone who holds that whatever action the US does take is harsh should be aware that it is not as harsh as the law allows.
GUYS- why all the arguing over Bush and Obama??????
The point is the world loves obama and his stong foriegn policy has brought peace and prosperity to not only the USA but to the entire world.....
Obama campainged on closing gitmo, pulling out of Iraq, Afghanistan, and helping the world communities, and to stop all lobbying to US politicans, tackle spending, reduce the deficit, and FOCUS LIKE A LASER ON JOBS.
<EYES ROLLING>
THE GUY HAS NOT DONE JACK $hit for the last 4 years and will NOT DO JACK $hit for the upcoming 4 years.
And the best part is the nightly death counts of our service members has disappeared because he solved that problem..... told the lapdop media to take that off and focus on GUNS, GUNS, GUNS..... just not the ones he and buddy ERIC HOLD'EM UP HOLDER Sold to the CARTELS........
YOU $ssclowns who elected this ERKL of a president are getting what you deserve------- that is right 30 OBAMA PHONES ------GOTS TA GET EM NOW.
"Terrorist Attack", "Terrorist Attack" ?
Wow, could it be that the Progressive media.....wait a minute....State Department, spokesperson in lieu of Mrs. Clinton who is too busy, is finally coming around ?
This crap has been going on so long, as far back as the Persian empire it is sick.. Ever since WW2 the Islam followers have been gradually increasing their attacks of hate to the frenzy it is.. No 1 President or incident is to blame and no strategy of olive branch or attack will change this.. Their cesspool of hate will dominate this planet until they are all killed off or the world is destroyed.. So get used to it unless you have a way to change the core beliefs and ideals they aspire to achieve..
Since our own government thinks a large number of US citizens are terrorist threats just because they own a firearm and have collected resources to survive a disaster.. With all the domestic attacks "Oh wait there have just been a few in 20 years" they had to create an illegal Federal police force Homeland Security and arm them with machine guns.. They also get a free pass around all your rights and protections afforded US citizens.. People are begging for a police state so they can feel more secure and are doing all they can to give away their freedoms and rights to archive an unobtainable safe society..
Obama passed thousands of firearms to Mexican criminals in an effort to smear the gun dealers and owners here in the US.. A bunch of those have been used to kill and attack US border patrol and citizens on our side of the border.. Seems he and Holder are above the law via executive privilege and can do as they please.. Same goes for all the weapons he has passed out to the people in the sand pit of Libya that are being used to kill US service men and women in the Middle East.. He also likes to give away billions of dollars to the squish heads thinking that will make them friendly to us.. Can we say "no clue" because once in a while our leaders have gone stupid.. Giving man portable antiaircraft missiles to less then trustworthy Arabs is a$$inine.. I am waiting for US airplanes to start being shot down in a neighborhood near by.. These actions including cover ups like "it was the movie" and blaming US gun owners/dealers by our dear leader are reckless and treason but we still hear crickets chirping..
Drowning Grover sez
"Obama has really only intervened in one foreign conflict outside of Iraq & Afghanistan, that is Libya. And to call it a "war" and place it on the same pedestal as the Iraq and Afghanistan wars is utterly laughable."
well that's not entirely true...
President Obama has decided instead to expand the operations of Africom throughout the continent. He has proposed a budget for FY 2010 that will provide increased security assistance to repressive and undemocratic governments in resource-rich countries like Nigeria, Niger, Chad, the Democratic Republic of Congo, and to countries that are key military allies of the United States like Ethiopia, Kenya, Djibouti, Rwanda, and Uganda. And he has actually chosen to escalate U.S. military intervention in Africa, most conspicuously by providing arms and training to the beleaguered Transitional Federal Government of Somalia as part of his effort to make Africa a central battlefield in the Global War on Terrorism. So it is clearly wishful thinking to believe that his exposure to the real risks of such a strategy revealed by these hypothetical scenarios gave him a better appreciation of the risks that the strategy entails.
Yep it is OK to arm sick criminals in Africa that are killing women and children with machine guns, mortars, grenades and rockets but US citizens, well they can't be trusted with 10+ round magazines or semi automatic hand guns and rifles.. These politicians are insane!! They say they are supporting these people fighting for freedom but are working to take ours away to make us safer by enacting things like the Patriot act which is anything but patriotic..
And you were at the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran when, and you learned Farsi when?
Ever heard of the Hadith Laws, so nope to your "does permit the major relgions to be practiced w/o condition", unless you want to be beaten or whipped.
Matilda Tuscany,
Attacking US Ally Turkey for an attack of a US Embassy is a knee jerk response.
Like I told Fundamentalist Islamic Believer, Jonathan-1982062, to stop posting Taqiya of attacking US Ally Saudi Arabia, US Ally Pakistan, etc.. And his constant droning about Nations of Origin, Sunnis versus Shia, etc..
The reason: Fundamentalist Islamic Osama Bin Laden created his Fundamentalist Islamic Al Quada to Fight the US and US Allies Worldwide; and Overthrow US Ally Saudi Arabia's Established Government.
It does not matter Sunnis, Shia, etc. it is their Actions that determine what they are.
In the case of Pakistan there are three main Factions that control Pakistan: 1. US Ally Government of Pakistan. 2. The Fundamentalist Islamic Pakistanis People that original broke away from Hindu India. 3. The Inter Service Intelligence Agency. With Jonathan-1982062 posting that we must go after the US Ally Pakistanis Government by chopping all US Assistance.
This is just like the uneducated US believing everyone at Iraq were Iraqis: 1. The Sunnis, Arabs, lanugage Arabic. 2. The Shia, Persians, language Farsi. Most from escaping as Illegal Aliens to Iraq from the massive unemployment at Iran after the Fall of the Shah of Iran. As Illegal Aliens demanding Iraqis Citizens Rights, used for the jobs the Iraqis refused to do with hatred of the Iraqis. 3. The Fundamentalist Islamic Kurdistanis, Indo Europeans, language Farsi, Shia; as during the Iran Iraq Wars the Armed (men, women, children) Allies of the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran.
This is why Iraq got so screwed up, as none of the US Politicians listened to those of us of the US Military Training Teams sent to US Ally Iraq during the Iran Iraq Wars; as to why we protested the Overthrow of President Hussein in accordance with President Clinton's US Law, H.R.4655 as US Policy, as President Hussein was the Counterbalance to the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran using his Iraqis Oil Wealth and the lives of the Iraqis Citizens of the Iraqis Military. So instead of being thrown in jail we obeyed orders and conducted first 1998 Operation Desert Fox, that caused the Islamic World to condemn the US as the Great Satan, Osama Bin Laden starts planning the 9/11 2001 Attacks.
Already knew that (see above).
david-475776; cool it, you are going to have a heart attack; 90% of the people only get their news for 15 minutes a day from the major networks; do not try to inform them of the total screw up we have caused in the middle east, hell half of them could not find turkey on a map if you marked it with a capital T.
I guess this was a spontaneous protest based upon a "Simpsons" episode in which Apu kind of looked "Muslim"..... with explosives!
Ken Trout nothing has been disproven by experts. I'm sorry I should have said near free fall speed. Building 7 dropped in 1.7 seconds longer then if you dropped a tennis ball from the roof. The hole in the Pentagon was 16 ' round, no damage from the heaviest parts the engines or from the wings or tail section. Nevermind a 757 can not travel at 500 mph at sea level nevermind make the moves it made at the lower altitudes. And I quess you believe that a terrorists passports flew out of the plane that crashed into the Trade Center, threw all of the fire and explosions completely intact. It is utter BS Why did they never even test for explosive debris at ground zero or even in the NIST tests, their where dozens of reports from witness' that heard and reported explosions and they can even be heard on some of the news reports.
There seems to be alot of former FBI folks coming out about what was known
Ken also you refer to an article that criticizes these scientists for not testing something when you or that author does not criticize NIST for not doing any testing of the debris. IN fact all of the debris was destroyed as quick as possible and no offical study was started for over a year. I'm sorry but I don't buy the Gov. BS and as I said when I saw with my own 2 eyes a(nd not on TV). Bull Fiicking Shlt that building fell from that plane, no effing way.
Most of the local people I talk to and this is in NY and NJ did not even know about building 7 falling that day. Videos of building 7 also show low temp flames (color) and fires becoming starved of ffuel(color of smoke)
All of you. Whenever you try to blame someone, or try to associate an event to something else, please provide fact-checked substantiation to your claims.
(Come on, I can't be the only one that is tired of coming across misleading narratives, ad hominem fallacy attacks, paranoid conspiracy theories, politically-prejudiced suppositions, naive cynicism, juvenile sarcasm, rigidly uncompromising opinions, absolutism, disrespectful labeling, malicious buzz-words, unfounded accusations, projecting, emotional hyperbole, one-upmanship duelling, power-gaming, infighting, trolling, predatory sophistry, demagoguery, religious intolerance, propagandizing, and so much HATE).
Is it possible for the commenters here to keep a cool, level head about this, and "stay on point" ...or is this asking too much? Are there any adults in the room that can offer some realistic, workable, win-win solutions to reduce the odds of tragedies occurring like this against our consulates and embassies? Or is this going to be a continual zealot's game of, "fixing the blame," and not one of, "fixing the problem"?
Nah, after all this misery, just to stay physically fit (body of a 20 year old) to pass the US Military Physical Fitness (Torture) Tests for US Military Asymmetric Warfare (aka Special Warfare) and routine complete physicals (worse than a US Military Flight Physical).
Everytime I hear the whispers behind my back about being a Dinosaur that survived extinction, my common response is "maybe you might learn to survive extinction from me". In most of the harsh places I have lived at age (survival for decades) is respected (knowledge of how to survive, while many did not).
Sadly, as a trained observer (for Special Surveillance, Special Reconnaissance, etc. Missions) I can still recall all the faces of the almost thousand of us that started out as the US Military Training Teams to US Ally Iraq during the Iran Iraq Wars, rotated to Operation Cyclone; and since then, only a few dozen of us survived. Their small mistakes that got them killed became our lessons learned.
From what I read here (observation), I really believe less than 15 minutes (attention span).
Part of my Duty as a US Military Officer to inform the US Public, AFTER the US Politicians refuse to listen to those matters that will result in the Unnecessary Deaths of the US Citizens of the US Military that I am appointed (Office) to Represent. However, you really have to know when the effort is useless.
Sad; but, true observation. Also my observation of some of the newer Team Members, had subordinate Officers refresher train some on the use of paper maps and magnetic compasses. As something not funny at all, I asked one of the Aid Workers here (Afghanistan), what Nations border Iraq, result many wrong guesses, then the other response "that doesn't matter we are not at Iraq" (the Aid Worker could not see the relevance, like most at the US, of what we did after October 2001 chasing the Al Quada, Taliban, Islamic Jihadists from Afghanistan to Northern Iraq along the Southern part of the Old Silk Road and that Southern part of the Old Silk Road also is North of were we are, Northeastern Afghanistan, as to why we have so much "activity" as a danger to the Aid Workers lives. The millions of the Fundamentalist Islamic Holy Warriors of Islam being trained, armed, funded by the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran's Special Forces, Quds, at the Fundamentalist Islamic Autonomous Kurdistanis Region of Northern Iraq, Southern Turkey, Syria, Northwestern Iran using the Old Silk Road to get here with the NATO Spanish Military Forces having a heck of a time at Northwest Afghanistan).
(Shrugs shoulders) you can only do so much. What's that saying:
The average US Public believing that they are giving the US Military everything without realizing the Results of the previous US Military Budget Cuts (the almost nothing, quote above), Reduction In Forces of the US Military (more deployments for longer tours with less people), etc. as Ordered by President Obama as Commander In Chief; the routine empty words "thank you for your Service" (while allowing us to suffer, telling us to STFU when we state facts and of course the name calling "hater", "don't like black man", etc.. the as the actual ungrateful, quote above).
Same sh!t as the Budget Cuts during the Vietnam War, just a different Nation and year, same result more US Military Unnecessary Deaths.
And the real tragedy, more than likely we will remain here indefinitely, minus the backup of the US Military Conventional Warfare Forces, most NATO Military Forces, that must withdraw by 2014 due to President Obama's loss of the US Military Logistics Support Bases at Pakistan that supported this Landlocked Nation of United Nation's Mission Landlocked Afghanistan (I know, saxon, most US Citizens don't even know that the Pakistanis Seaports, US Military Logistics Support Bases, Khyber Pass are Manditory to support anything over 30,000 including the International Aid Workers here; as without those the Unsupported UN, US, NATO Military Forces MUST withdraw by 2014 as the REAL reason the US, NATO is abandoning US Ally Afghanistan to get massacred again (just a different year, same Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban like after we abandoned US Ally 1980s Pro US Afghan Muhajeen after Operation Cyclone; result the 1990s Fundamentalist Isamic Taliban massacred the US Ally 1980s Pro US Afghan Muhajeen (20,000 to 50,000), then started massacring any Afghan Civilians as "suspected" collaborators to the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers; then unopposed destroyed 20th Century Afghanistan by destroying anything "Western", "Modern", "Non Islamic" (sadly we watched that happen and could do nothing (ordered) after Operation Cyclone before we exfiltrated from Afghanistan back to US Ally Iraq (ending of the Iran Iraq Wars).
I know that is a lot of stuff to read; oh, well, my ulterior motive is an unofficial record, just incase. Maybe someone will not repeat the same mistakes and expect a different result; and survive, after we finally go back on retirement.
Quick, get the Hearing Rooms set up so we can ask the State Dept what they knew, when they knew it, when they told the White House, what did the White House say, yada yada yada.
That's the norm of the day know. Instead of getting jobs, the House wants to have a circus going on with all the hearings.
And surprising, all the comments on how Obama has violated the Constitution since he became President, why haven't the tea baggers tried to impeach him? That they haven't explains a lot. In other words, they have been lying to the American people, and their low informed base repeats those lies.
Well someone has to care because obviously you don't!! Maybe you would if you were the wife of Amb. Stevens.
"Just bumps in the road", "what do you matter now anyways"!
Probably nothing more than a protest, no terrorism here!
Sally,
It's a shame you don't care about slaughtered Americans. The rest of us do.
Why do liberals hate Americans so much? LOL!
What does it matter now!! It's over, Please return to your regular broadcast. Tonight on two broke girls, Dumb ass make's a cake and finds herself in a sticky situation, HaHaHaHa.
Republicans = "Good news! Benghazi 2....maybe we can impeach the socialist Muslimist Obama this time".
Eric, man! How could you forget "Kenyan, reptilian and Illuminati"?
Wow
Now McGrumpy ( along with the Repugs/Baggers) can have a New topic to beat his chest to. Poor old fool
will give himself a stroke if he doesn't Pace himself.
@PRober....LOL....I hadn't had my coffee yet....good catch. :-)
bobster,
why do liberals hate americans so much? we dont. we just dont want loud mouthed retards like yourself setting policy. so the safegaurds worked for all but the bomber and the person working the scanner. yes that is horrible that the scanner lost their life, but how is this a failure again? there are people all over the world determined to attack us and yet everytime a bomb goes off in a corner of the world its obamas fault. you rwnj's make me vomit. knuckle dragging, repulsive scum of the earth.
letsgo,
LMFAO!! Great rant Slappy! LOL!
I wonder what our new Secretary of State, John Kerry, will have to say about this. Will he be called by the Senate Foreign Affairs Comittee?
This is just another senseless attack on the US by another poor delusional person. You cannot blame anyone for this, at least not until the facts are know, which may be never. While the Muslim World burns, and while their blame is toward the West, the U.S. in particular, we will see things like this happen. Just be prepared. We are lucky that we had our security a fair distance from the main site, and, sadly, "only" one security person was killed, while many others were wounded and who cares about the attacker. Sad, very sad!
THE PEOPLE AT TURKEY WERE (STILL ARE) VIOLENTLY DEMONSTRATING AGAINST PRESIDENT OBAMA'S DEPLOYMENT OF US PATRIOT MISSILE BATTERIES TO TURKEY.
There are several impeachment petitions on whitehouse.gov...also many about 2nd amendment rights
Obama passed thousands of firearms to Mexican criminals in an effort to smear the gun dealers and owners here in the US.. A bunch of those have been used to kill and attack US border patrol and citizens on our side of the border.. Seems he and Holder are above the law via executive privilege and can do as they please.. Same goes for all the weapons he has passed out to the people in the sand pit of Libya and the rest of the Middle East that are being used to kill US service men and women in the Middle East.. He also likes to give away billions of dollars to the squish heads thinking that will make them friendly to us.. Can we say "no clue" because once in a while our leaders have gone stupid.. Giving man portable antiaircraft missiles to less then trustworthy Arabs is a$$inine.. I am waiting for US airplanes to start being shot down in a neighborhood near by.. These actions including cover ups like "it was the movie" and blaming US gun owners/dealers by our dear leader are reckless and treason but we still hear crickets chirping..
Since our own government thinks a large number of US citizens are terrorist threats just because they own a firearm and have collected resources to survive a disaster.. With all the domestic attacks "Oh wait there have just been a few in 20 years" they had to create an illegal Federal police force Homeland Security and arm them with machine guns.. They also get a free pass around all your rights and protections afforded US citizens.. People are begging for a police state so they can feel more secure and are doing all they can to give away their freedoms and rights to archive an unobtainable safe society..
Obama's is a reptile...no wonder he married so poorly.
Are we sure there wasn't a movie made about turks that would spark a violent single person protest?
They are quick to point out that "it is clearly a terrorist attack", but for Benghazi, it took weeks for them to admit it.
I wonder how many of you Barrybots and Republobots know how many unaffiliated come here and absolutely howl at your party-drone drivel.
Hilarious.
I have been in Europe for vacation each of the last 3 years. In each succeeding year I heard more and more total distaste for Obama and his foreign policy. Truth be told, I actually saw more reporting on the negatives about our President while I was in Europe than in the last 3 years in the U.S.! I guess the world really "loves" our fearful leader!
There's no need to fear John Kerry is here!!!
That's the scariest p;art of all!
Ketchup for everyone!!!!
Dont tell me, let me guess. The President is the Emperor of the Universe, and he has caused this thing to happen. Before he became the Emperor, such things never happened. He is dumb and evil. Yada yada yada.
As soon as Kerry figures out where to park his car now, he'll get right on this. To be safe he is already consulting Jane Fonda.
THE PEOPLE AT TURKEY WERE (STILL ARE) VIOLENTLY DEMONSTRATING AGAINST PRESIDENT OBAMA'S DEPLOYMENT OF US PATRIOT MISSILE BATTERIES TO TURKEY.
OBAMA'S FAULT, OBAMA'S FAULT, OBAMA'S FAULT, OBAMA'S FAULT
President Obama, "Osama Bin Laden is Dead, GM is Alive"
Islamic Believers Respond during Violent Protests, "Obama, Obama, We Are All Osama", "Obama War Against Islam".
Kerry is already trying to think of new awards and medals he can get with his new job.
Lets get the facts first,.
No fun in facts. Let's all just speculate.
If the attack at the Benghazi consulate got so much attention, it stands to reason that this attack at the embassy in Ankara would garner even more congressional hearing and months of media attention...but I'll speculate that we won't hear about this story much beyond a few days.
Why wait for facts when there are so many YouTube videos we can blame first?
quick everybody... we don't wanna miss Yawn Insanity's take on things. Gitcher facks on fux news!
@mighty
Than you need to tune to Fox news...........
PRober,
google; grieving father sandy hook edited doctored video tape MS/NBC Martin Basir
learn the truth about the website you are on.
Facts, Facts, we don't need no stinkin' Facts! Are you going to believe what happened or what our President and his lackeys tell you! If anyone disagrees with what we say we will just call them Repugs or Tea Baggers or just sheet-wearing members of the KKK because they won't believe everything the Obamessiah tells them! How ignorant! Lets make sure we call ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC and the rest of the "center" media and make sure that we have a united front...er.... the truth is put out!
Im sure its just a spontanious dust up over the coke ad - but really , mighty - we STILL havent got a straight story about Behngahzi
Nor will we ever!!!
POTUS is weak minded, uneducated in diplomacy, to eager to let foreign countries that have been enemies become Allie's, and to worried about what the other UN nations think of our foreign policy. The bad thing is we have yet 4 more years of this and then somehow he will executive order himself a third and maybe fourth term, that will somehow bring us into a third world country and starve us into cannibalism much like the north Koreans. What we need to do is kick some serious butt and continue to do so untill people in the world realize that the U.S. will not tolerate this unlike the slap on the back of the hand approach Clinton, and Obama have come to make the only way we respond to things of this nature.
rigdrvr. Head on over and get a jump on all that a$$ kickin you are running your fat mouth about. I guess that last 11 years of military intervention is not enough for you. Whats a matter? A little too much of that Testosterone Cream applied to your extra hairy armpits!
Randog it would be a pleasure to head over and get started! I believe that we are under attack because of who is in office and there relaxed attitude towards us being attacked. I don't need cream i have more testes then you could ever dream of having! If you don't believe in us protecting ourselves from attacks and preventing 9/11 again then when we become disarmed as a nation don't think your entitled to protection because you took a cowardice stance and chose to hide from reality! Good luck staying alive in that situation!
maybe rigdrvr can grab his AR-15 and a few high capacity magazines and lead the charge!
PC/NOT, Tboy,
Do you really want to know? Create a Causative Timeline. Start with when President Gaddaffi was a US Ally as negotiated by SOS Condeleezza Rice, end with General Ham Commander US AFRICOM tendering his Letter of Resignation as demanded by President Obama.
All the Unclassified Verifiable Information is on the internet (much of which is still considered as Classified within the US, so look at the International News Sources like BBC, FARS, Arabic Al Jazeera, RT (Russian Television), etc.). Each piece of information you get must be verified by other sources of information multiple times (unrelated sources, like multiple international news sources).
I am not going to post my Causative Timeline again and receive all the name calling. Your own researched information is more valuable to you (you will not call yourselves liars, conspiracy theorists, wearing tin foil hat, etc.).
No, this one directly points at President Obama as Commander In Chief being a F**k up, deploying US Military Patriot Missile Batteries to Turkey. Resulting in Violent Demonstrations, Protests, etc..
rigdrvr---- Little piece of info, the only difference between USA and a third world country is the middle class. The main reason we have a middle class are unions, get rid of unions and you'll have your third world society. O wait unions only are at 9% in market share were almost there.....
RandogM, rigdrvr, PRober,
How about this since you want to know the Entire Situation pertaining to the "Middle East", Africa and the "Islamic World", how about doing a Causative Timeline. Start with the Failed President Obama Foreign Polices, that RESULTED (not you non factual opinions) in the US And US Allies Losses of the Strategic Resources Worldwide required for the current US And US Allies Standard of Living and future Alternative Energy; the US And US Allies Losses of Strategic Locations Worldwide; and US And US Allies Losses of Key Strategic US Allies Worldwide.
Do not forget as part of the equation (Causative Timeline) the Long Time Strategic Goal of the Chinese and Russian Federation to get the US and US Allies out of their Backyards (Resources). The Chinese and Russian Federation using the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran as their "Proxy Fighter"; the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran using the Millions of Holy Warriors of Islam as their "Proxy Fighters" Worldwide.
There you go, proof you don't know squat about Civilian AR-15 "Looks Like" an actual "Assault Rifle" (M-16, M-4).
Time to remove your gun (penis) and magazines (testicles) so that you cannot procreate anymore stup!d offspring:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kU0XCVey_U
LOL, you believed the 1950s Propaganda of the US Labor Unions. McCullough was correct:
How about this you go research what happened to the "Middle Class" during the Great Depression, and after President FDR created the current US Defense Industrial Complex that got the US out of the Great Depression thru the sales of "War Materials" to England, France, Russia, China, etc. in exchange for tons of gold, silver, raw materials, etc. getting the US out of the Great Depression 1939 before US Entry into WWII 1941. Then look at what else happened as a RESULT (not your non factual opinion) as to why the US Labor Unions later claims and your's are FALSE US Labor Union Propaganda.
Also research who took over the US Labor Unions and US Insurance Corporations a "Profitable Businesses with Political Clout" during the Great Depression.
You want a Hint: When did actual "Dual Incomes" start. Use that Research Result, then start Researching the rest.
David ... here's proof you're an uneducated @!$%#. I own an Sporter (pre-assault ban) Colt AR-15 and jerk-off, it has a "selector switch", it fires 5.56x45 rounds and it's very easy to convert to full automatic all you need is a couple of M-16 parts. So you might want to stop showing your ignorance you arrogant punk
David--Maybe you should do a research of declining union membership and declining middle class. Wow there identical, wonder why?
David... do research? To him that means turn the tv on Fox News spews, 24/7
and PC/Not, you still can't even spell Benghazi
Just another misgruntled Arab who is upset at VW because no Arabian has ever been named Lawrence.
PRober...do research? to him that means turn the tv on MSNBC spews,24/7.
PRober, kcroofer,
PSSSSFFFF!!!!!!! Sound of my boil egg fart in response to your posts.
Listen to your Messiah, as Rules that ONLY apply to YOU as President Obama Voters:
Obey your Dictator, the rest of us don't have to.
Try that sometime. LOL. I already knew about that conversion (it is more than a couple of M-16 parts).
Like I asked you to do GO DO THE RESEARCH INTO WHAT I MENTIONED. That is why you are "wonder(ing) why", eventhough they are not interrelated events and are mutually exclusive events.
Ok, PRober, just so that I cannot be held liable telling you to do that.
A very long time ago I met the designer of the Stoner Weapons System.
At the near end of the Vietnam War as a LRRP/Ranger I was issued a AR-15 Made by GM (Cadillac) as Stamped on the side, the f**king piece of crap kept jamming. So I switched to a M-79 and a M1911.
Later on after College I found out why the AR (Armalite)-15 modified to be a M-16 kept jamming while at the US Army Ordnance Corps School. You do not have the required machining tools to do the necessary things to convert your Colt AR-15 into a actual M-16 even with all the M-16 parts; as all the AR-15s were purposely made that way as to why when my AR-15 was converted into a M-16 someone screwed up or did not have the machining tools required for the complete conversion.
After being trained, and experienced with US Military Asymmetric Mountain Warfare we switched to M-14s converted into M-21s (.308 caliber, 7.62mm x 51mm), then later upgraded into M-25s; due to range (required for Mountain Warfare, Southern Turkey, Northern Iraq, 2/3rds Afghanistan) and lethality as our standard individual rifles. As originally the idea behind the .223 caliber (5.56mm x 45mm) fired from a bolt action rifle was to kill varmints, it is the brass cartridge physical size that also causes jamming in semi automatics and selective fire. The then USAF Project Manager selected the .223 caliber to wound to take more enemy combatants off the battlefield to evacuate the wounded (this was protested as against the Geneva Convention during the Vietnam War), it was easier to train USAF Personnel (not US Army nor USMC Ground Combatants) and the mistaken belief that less recoil and lighter weapon would equal more firepower (versus AK-47, range 800m).
Later on due to the limitations of the .223 caliber (5.56mm x 45mm M193) attempts were made to enhance the cartridge, resulting in the later US Military adopted "Belgium" 5.56mm cartridge (more propellant of a different formula, M855), making this unsuitable for previous AR-15s, CAR-15s, M-16s (caused microscopic metal fractures in barrel and breech, might want to have your barrel and breech scoped (inspected).).
add to post#6.17
So again
PRober, kcroofer, bipolar echo
PSSSSFFFF!!!!!!! Sound of my boil egg fart in response to your posts.
Quick go look at wikipedia, ha, ha, ha; you will not find the information from Training at the US Army Ordnance Corps Center and School, or from Firsthand Experience.
And also wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:General_disclaimer
David-- I looked up what you proposed. I was actually talking about the last 30-40 years in which the decline of membership has closely shadowed the decline of the middle class, which are idenitical. You spout of something about the 30's. Sure this is when labor got it's feet and started making changes and yes it was during the war times. But the decline I mentioned has only took place over the last 40 years or so. The combination of a war and people's stand against "bad" working conditions led to foundation of the strong unions. 50 years later there under attack and are now disappearing just like the middle class you mentioned.
And one more note I dont recall calling you any names nor do I go to Wikipedia for any information. I know unlike many that it is a collect all of ideas and facts. I can count on one hand how many times I've been to wikipedia. Google works good and brings up several articles on each search. FYI
Kcroofer...pay David no mind as he is one of those people who loves to hear himself talk and most usually he doesn't know what he's talking about. He needs Wikipedia, Faux News and other "references" or "talking points" to espouse his opinions. I happen to know first hand and from experience, he's fulla bullhockey about pre-assault ban AR-15's. I do not proclaim to keep a modified version in my possession; however in younger years, I and many other gun enthusiasts shared common knowledge that certain obtainable parts were interchangeable with military M-16's and wallah! You then had the same gun (if not better, since some were made by Colt, rather than military contracts of cheaper grade weapons) that Vietnam soldiers were fighting with... and our military continue to use to this day. I have no clue why "know it all" sorts like David feel the need to thump their chest, when in fact he probably never served a day in the military. If he did, he surely didn't learn the crap he's spewing around news blogs.
NO, YOU DID NOT. What follows in the rest of you post is PROOF:
WHO'S NUMBERS ARE YOU USING. GIGO, Garbage In Garbage Out.
Like I stated YOU DID NOT DO THE RESEARCH, your saying "spout"just proves you don't want to know the Facts (even if it is your own Resarched Facts).
You would KNOW from your Research why that happened, IF YOU ACTUALLY DID THE RESEARCH.
To us Time (History) is Linear, so Cause + Effects (Symptoms) = Results.
It told you start with who took over the US Labor Unions during the Great Depression (1929-1939).
1929 Great Depression, most US Labor Unions were destroyed due to the massive US Unemployment. Most of the previous US Labor Union gains during the Henry Ford Era were gone. The Empire of William Randolf Hearst from New York to California is destroyed (go research that "Empire" and how William Randolf Hearst screwed everyone over to do so; like later the screwing over the Japs (Japanese) with the selling of Oil and Coal, after being paid, all Jap assets within the US were frozen, the Oil and Coal never delivered, so the Japs Invade China to get Resources, the US does measures to attempt to get the Japs to fire the first shot to get the US into War with Japan. William Randolf Hearst starts his "Yellow Journalism".).
The _______fill in the blank_________— took over the US Labor Unions and US Insurance Corporations as "Profitable Businesses with Political Clout".
1930 _________fill in the blank___________. Hitler's Brownshirts (Sturmabteilung, SA). After opposing some of Hitler's Ideas, Hitler had the Sturmabteilung eliminated (Murdered) and replaced by the National Socialist German Workers Union (A Political Labor Union, must be a member or no work) also known as the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, NAZI. That no work included the German Military, as the German Military was purged of the previous German Nobility unless they swore an Oath directly to Chancellor Hitler, not the German People or Nation of Germany (one of the things opposed by the previous Sturmabteilung; as well as the seizing of all of the German Nobility's Properties).
1931_________fill in the blank___________.
1932. __________fill in the blank_________. William Randolf Hearst pushes for Presidential Candidate FDR.
1933_________fill in the blank___________. The US Labor Unions start to adopt the Violent (Murder, Rape, Armed Assault, Sabotage, Firebombings, etc.) Union Tactics of the Mussolini Blackshirts, and the Chancellor Hitler Brown Shirts. US Congress creates the US Laws to make Illegal the Causes of Depressions.
1934 till 1938. ______fill in the blank_______. President FDR realizes that US Consumerism will NEVER get the US out of the Great Depression. President FDR creates his US Defense Industrial Complex, by Nationalizing US Businesses and US Industry. Implements his Universal Health Care for All US Citizens, "A Healthy Worker is a Productive Worker". The massive US Unemployment of the US is gone. President FDR reviews a US War Department Study and implements the Recommendations Nationwide, including US Federal Labor Laws (US Labor Unions opposed). President FDR realizes that this "New Deal To the American People" is a Failure (spending Money the US did not have to create jobs, the joke: "one person paid to dig a hole, another paid to fill the hole in".).
1939 ________fill in the blank_________. The US starts to come out of the Great Depression. The German U Boats and "Raiders" start to sink the US Merchant Marine Ships going to and from Europe. To Europe full of "War Materials", from Europe with payments for the War Materials Gold, Silver, Raw Materials, etc.. Much later, 1999 to 2013, Deep Water Explorations find some of the sunken ships full of tons of silver, raw materials, etc..
1940 _______fill in the blank_________. US Citizens are volunteering for the US Allies Armies to fight at Europe and China.
1941 to 1945 _______fill in the blank_________. US Labor Unions Violently Strike to attempt to stop the US Military Liberations of Sicily and Italy, President FDR responds with the US Army Military Police, Violent Union Strikers are machinegunned after attempting to murder US Military Police. US Women, like "Rosey the Riveter" are replacing the US Men at President FDR's US Defense Industrial Complex that were "Drafted", the start of "Dual Incomes", lots of "Disposable Income" and the new (current) "Middle Class".
1946 to 1947 ______fill in the blank_________. The US Labor Unions and US Insurance Corporation start to "Do Whatever It Takes" to get back into everything. Many people with the professions of Dockworkers, Longshoremen, Warehousemen, that refuse to join a US Labor Union end up "Missing". Many of the "Missing" are found wrapped in chains at the bottom of rivers. It becomes routine for US Law Enforcement to dredge the rivers. The FBI starts to investigate the US Labor Unions by infiltrating them, resulting in many Murder Indictments.
1948 ___________fill in the blank________.
1949 ______fill in the blank_________.
1950 _________fill in the blank___________.
1951 to 1959 _____fill in the blank_________.
1960 to 1969_____fill in the blank__________.
1970 to 1979 ______fill in the blank__________.
1980 to 1989 _____fill in the blank__________.
ARE YOU GETTING THE IDEA YET, kcroofer. I KNOW YOU DID NOT DO THE ACTUAL RESEARCH.
2012, US Labor Union Leader Jimmy Hoffa Junior states the Murder of US Citizens during President Obama's Reelection Campaign:
As identical to Chancellor Hitler's "All Loyal Germans must take back Germany from the Jews". And the previous statements of Violence of the Army (not the German Government's Army) of Hitler's Brownshirts (Sturmabteilung, SA) and Labor Union Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, NAZI. After opposing some of Hitler's Ideas, Hitler had the Sturmabteilung eliminated (Murdered) and replaced by the National Socialist German Workers Union (A Political Labor Union, must be a member or no work) also known as the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, NAZI.
Add to post#6.21.
Also pertaining to the above that you have not figured out yet; as related (Cause(s) + Effects (Symptoms) = Results:
Are 1990 to 1999:
1. President Clinton eliminated those 1933 US Laws that made Illegal the Causes of previous Depression, resulting in the current $60 Trillion to $100 Trillion Global Economic Crisis consisting of the Mortgage Crisis, Wall Street Crisis, Financial Crisis, Banking Crisis, etc.. Like the US taking years to emerge from the Great Depression (1929-1939) this will be felt in 2008, eight (8) years later.
A almost Depression US Economy means most will really start looking hard at their paychecks, pay statements, pay stubs; especially the surprise, "Automatic Payroll Deductions for Union Dues".
2. To make matters even worse he demanded Loans (Mortgages) to those that did not have a viable means of repaying those Loans (Mortgages). This only speeded up the "Mortgage Crisis" of #1. above.
3. In 1998 President Clinton Declared War With Iraq, with the US Policy of the Overthrow of President Hussein by US Law H.R.4655 "Iraqis Liberation Act of 1998" Section 3: US Policy Overthrow of President Hussein, Section 2 Findings (Justifications): Weapons of Mass Destruction. This President Clinton US Law H.R.4655 becomes 1998 US Military Operation Desert Fox, that resulted in the Islamic World condemning the US as the Great Satan, Osama Bin Laden starts planning the 9/11 2001 Attacks after being released by President Clinton after the 1993 First World Trade Center Bombing (same targets later 9/11 2001).
4. President Clinton had believed that the Cold War Era US Defense was no longer needed so he ordered as Commander In Chief the Cuts to the US Defense, Gutting the US Intelligence Agencies that left the US Blind and Deaf to the Events leading to the 9/11 2001 Attacks per Bipartisan US Congressional 9/11 Commission (Committee) Investigations, Findings and Recommendations with former President Clinton saying "I'm a so sorry".
5. President Clinton in return for "donations" from the Chinese gives China "Most Favored Trade Nation Status", as investigated during his impeachment hearings as "Chinagate" (100% true, to save his arse, the attention is shifted to other matters forgiveable by the US people, Monika Lewinsky). Later former President Clinton uses this money to form his Clinton Foundation; the same Clinton Foundation that held on the Haiti Disaster Donations to gain interest on the $5 Million (the longer they withheld the $5 Million from the Haitians the more interest gained as profits for Clinton), as reported by CBS News. Coincidence that President Clinton was the former Governor of Arkansas, Arkansas the Headquarters of Made In China Walmart. The massive "Outsourcing" of US Manufacturing to China begins.
6. After the 1993 First World Trade Center Bombing, the definitions of "Terrorism", "Terrorist", etc. are redefined; inadvertently, this also removed the teeth and claws from the US Labor Unions with the activities of the US Labor Unions being able to be considered as "Terrorism", "Terrorist Activities", "Homegrown Domestic Terrorists", "Terroristic Threatening".
By the way kcroofer you might want to research Education (1933 to 2012), Literacy Rates (1933 to 2012), as people get smarter they stopped believing the US Labor Union propaganda identical to Hitler's. Age of the "Middle Class" (see post#6.21, 1941 to 1945).
Then also as the US Economy started to go into a Depression (see #1., above), more people started looking at the deductions on their paystubs counting every penny and nickel, the common WTF "Automatic Payroll Deductions for Union Dues", with many States now (2012-2013) making that Illegal (if you are a Union Member, like I was as a Teacher before being recalled to Active Duty Military, how about explaining what percentage of pay that actually is, and do NOT lie; sure Union pushes for higher pay so that they can automatically deduct a higher percentage, result you get the same pay or less.). Also from firsthand experience as a Teacher, How many Unions (with Union Dues) did I actually belong to (don't lie about that either, also do NOT even say that Unions renamed Associations are NOT Unions).
Prior to becoming a Teacher after Retiring as a US Military Officer, I dealth with GM and the UAW during Training With Industry (TWI); so do NOT even tell me about Violent Union Tactics. Being US Military, incidents against me investigated by the FBI, after the local Law Enforcement (Unionized) refused to investigate. After becoming a Teacher same kind of Violent Union Tactics, same happened to my nieces and nephews that later became Teachers. Of course constantly being Recalled to Active Duty US Military in the Special Category destroyed my US Civilian Teaching Career, so my other US Civilian Career became Manager Retail; that was also destroyed by my constant Recalls to Active Duty US Military; so here I am US Military Officer.
So again, kcroofer, you figured anything out yet.
PRober,
Be a Dumbarse and Go right ahead and put in a "drop in sear" cam and selector without the other necessary modifications.
Do not tell people about what you "heard" and never actually did (you having NO Firsthand Experience).
LOL.
well... all I can say to that is this, you're wrong once again Davey. Been there done that and the weapon already had a selector switch. But then you should know that, expert
Caught you.
The Selector Switch and the Cam (Sear) are one piece.
Picture:
http://www.bing.com/images/results.aspx?q=m-16+sear&form=MSNH14#view=detail&id=6B8CC317FE023276D95881A4BD4A262C00740611&selectedIndex=41
Bolt Carrier Differences Photo:
http://www.bing.com/images/results.aspx?q=m-16+sear&form=MSNH14#view=detail&id=6B8CC317FE023276D9583DCE13DB110943F8DD07&selectedIndex=28
Don't tell anyone that you know (con them). And you still do not know the other things that must be machined, drilled, grinded, polished, etc..
The middle class is disappearing at the same rate as union membership. That's what I see and live through. David my dues are 4.5% in which I make just over $46 an hour. My dues have only went up once in the past 15 years and my wages have gone up every year. So your idiotic thought that we are still making the same amount is retarded. Not sure what the hell your talking about being in more than one union. Im in the roofers union plain and simple. And sure some unions have bad people who do things wrong or to hurt the masses, but instead of quiting I choose to get involved and make "good" changes for the workers. I would agree that some public unions need some updates.
Who will do the proverbial "fall on the sword" for this one, maybe the night janitor? Hillary, come back.....
Do you have a point?
Yes Single, and I do believe sd made it completely with ONE sentence.
well brutus please explain being that since the two of you took the same short bus to school you can obviously decipher moron
Is there a new video out that I may have missed? I so enjoyed the last one that I would hate to miss the sequel.
Oh, those slaphappy Muslims must be at it again.
Time to bring Mitt out of retirement!
For what? Getting us into another war in the Middle East? No thanks. PASS.
Cue the republican conspiracy theories. Why wait until there is some "evidence".
There is never any evidence. Just crocodile tears.
ED, like Right wing, Tea-party, gun toting Jared Lee Loughner.
Columbine Massacre" was done during a gun ban and the shooters were children of Demoncraps.
The Aurora colorado theatre massacre was done by a registered Demoncrap.
The Sandy Hook school shooting was done by a son of a Registered Demoncrap.
The Fort Hood shooting was done by a Registered Demoncrap.
Demoncraps are taking innocent lives (murder) and giving theirs to take (have taken*) our Constitutional Rights away.
Demoncraps are WORSE than Islamic Jihadists defending President Obama Wrong (most of the time) or Right to their Deaths, just like Islamic Jihadist Suicide Bombers.
Before all the name calling starts, go do the RESEARCH. * President Obama's January 21, 2009 Patriot Acts (Plural US Laws, not Bush Patriot Act as Singular US Law) and President Obama's 2012 NDAA as Indefinite Detentions of US Citizens.
Previous attempt by President Obama to circumvent the US Political System, having his Appointed United Nations Ambassador attempt United Nations Gun Control.
David, do you just enjoy lying or are you really that brainwashed by Faux News?
David,
Unsubstantiated.
He was not registered to vote.
Nancy Lanza was a registered Republican. The original argument made by Roger Hedgecock was "since CT is a blue state odds are she was a democrat" which is a terrible argument.
He was a resident of either Virginia or Texas, neither of which has partisan voter registration. We can't know how he voted, but it is impossible for him to be a "registered democrat."
And it should be noted that neither party supports mass killings. Your attempt to demonize one party though guilt by association is misguided at best and an outright lie at worst. You should do your own research instead of parroting what an entertainer tells you.
Looks like David has a virus, but the diarrhea is coming out the wrong end..
that's true DL... and laughter is usually the best medicine, unless you have diarrhea, then you just spew sh*t all over the place like Davey hoping some of it will stick
Prober It sounds like David knows what he is talking about, lets hear your way to make a fully automatic weapon. Can you counter his explanation of how hard it would be. Not just say he is stupid. You are the one I think is full of crap.
Brought to you by the religion of peace. Most of them are really kind loving people.
Like pigs to truffles you people are.
Truffles, you got truffles?
shhh!
You know that speculation is going to be rife about this. Right now all we know is that there was an explosion "near" the Embassy. We don't know if it was AT or IN the Embassy. It could be something outside or next door or it could very well be the Embassy. It could be unrelated to the Embassy. But everyone will speculate and someone will blame the administration before the facts are known. *sigh* Let's wait to find out what has happened before we start the conspiracy theories, please.
Cat,
Why don't you read the article before commenting first. The suicide bomber blew himself up "AT" an Embassy entrance!
patriot, why don't you note WHEN I commented before replying? When I commented the info was "NEAR the Embassy". Updates on stories DO occur as information becomes available, you know. Or are you just jumping to conclusions? Please note that I commented almost a full HOUR before you did.
So if the information that you are reading was "30 minutes ago" and I commented a half hour BEFORE the information you are reading was posted, it stands to reason that this story has been UPDATED. Or is that too much logic for you? I obviously read the story since I commented that "Right now all we know is that there was an explosion "near" the Embassy." When I commented, it was a breaking story and was less than 10 minutes after the story first broke near 7:00 am EST. Obviously when a breaking story first breaks, it has limited information. Or were you just hoping to get a "zinger" in and feel better about yourself?
People who make comments like "read the story first" on a BREAKING story need to realize that the original commenter may have been commenting on a very preliminary story when less information was available. It just makes the person trying to make a "zinger" look petty and small.
You really are out of touch, aren't you? A Muslim homicide bomber tried to blow up the embassy. How difficult is that?
Pray, AGAIN - my comment was made before even the small facts that we have NOW (at 10:09 am EST) were in. My comments were made when all we had was that an explosion had happened "near the Embassy" and there was smoke and people running away. At the time I commented (again - 7:19 am EST) we did NOT have the information that a suicide bomber had struck at the Embassy gate. What is so freaking hard to understand about that? Or, as you said:
You have made a snarky comment over TWO HOURS after I commented. Your comment was on an UPDATED STORY. So obviously there is more information now than there was when I made my initial comment. I commented based on the information available at the time. HOW DIFFICULT IS THAT? Oh, I know ... I should have been omniscient and already KNOWN that it was a suicide bomber at the gate of the Embassy since we all know that everyone knows what news will come out before it actually comes out. After all, you obviously knew what happened and exactly where it happened at 7:19 am EST this morning because you just know everything before it happens which would make you psychic, right?
Since I saw film footage of the embassy front door blown up, I am going with "At The Embassy".
No, it was at the side entrance near a parking lot. The main
entrance is in the biggest building on the right of the picture.
Not so fast Hillary. The Arizona Troll and Gomer Pile (John McCain/Lindsey Graham) want yet another hearing cause Hillary, you got some "splaining" to do, this is all your fault and Obama should fire you not retire you? McCain is jumping up and down shouting "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran" to the tune of Barbara Ann by the Beach Boys. Graham is rounding up a war posse and reaching for that special Republican deficit credit card to start another unfunded war, while making hurricane Sandy victims feel like jerks for wanting federal disaster aide.
@tracontech, now you did it. You hit them with some FACTS, not their re-written history, so they will be calling you names. Yep, they will/should, according to them, have another hearing, and then will lie when the real FACTS become known.'
If they don't like the FACTS, they will say people lied to them and they still don't know what happened. That is how messed up their wires are upstairs.
tracontech,
Aid to Sandy was halted because the Democrats had way to much fat in the bill and the money WAS NOT ALL GOING to the Sandy victims. You also say, got some splaning to do sounds more like D NJ Senator Robert Mendez who has to explain about his flight to the DR and playing with underage hookers!
Facts? Now that is good humor. I must have missed the video of McCain jumping up and down singing...
Suicide bombers....after we ban guns; there is a glimpse in to the future of violence in the US.
Sallyann 6666666,
I keep reading trasgentech's post and I can't find those facts you say it's sighting? All I can find is BS. It just mindless babel.
You got to expect the childlike mind of the Demoncraps, they believe that Twilight is real:
The only way to beat a bad suicide bomber is with a good suicide bomber.
Wonder who the Turks will make apologize for this ?
These bombers need to have more instructors. Like I am only going to show you how this works this one time.
Is it a terrorist attack or a spontaneous reaction to a video that offended someone?
The Muhammad video had nothing to do with the attack...just ask...
Naser Abdo, the would-be second Fort Hood jihad mass murderer; and Khalid Aldawsari, the would-be jihad mass murderer in Lubbock, Texas; and Muhammad Hussain, the would-be jihad bomber in Baltimore; and Mohamed Mohamud, the would-be jihad bomber in Portland; and Faisal Shahzad, the would-be Times Square jihad mass-murderer; and Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, the Arkansas military recruiting station jihad murderer; and Naveed Haq, the jihad mass murderer at the Jewish Community Center in Seattle; and Mohammed Reza Taheri-Azar, the would-be jihad mass murderer in Chapel Hill, North Carolina; Ahmed Ferhani and Mohamed Mamdouh, who hatched a jihad plot to blow up a Manhattan synagogue; and Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the would-be Christmas airplane jihad bomber; and many others like them who have plotted and/or committed mass murder in the name of Islam and are motivated by its texts and teachings — all in the U.S. in the last couple of years.
pulsar, I did ask....see my question....jerk
Achmed.....
On a stick.
State Department has issued a warrant for ventriloquist/comedian Jeff Dunham (of "Achmed the Terrorist" routine fame, also" Jalapeno on a Stick", both bits are hilarious must see productions).
No doubt there's a video involved someplace. Has obobo booked his flight to Vegas yet? I believe that's the protocol in these situations.
PK001, you mean like when Bush flew to a school to be out of D.C. when 3,000+ died on AMERICAN soil, on 9/11?
So bush flew to the school after the planes hit the towers? Guess i missed that one. You're a little backasswards.
Fantom your a complete idiot! The truth is that we knew of 9/11 when Clinton was in office and he did nothing about it. To even think our leaders would iniate a attack on our home soil to start a war is outrageous, and intolerable. Please put your head back up your @#$ and try a different outlook. People like you should be deported to third world countries and see what you had and should never have again. This is what makes the first amendment bad is giving retards like you a equal chance to express there vomit!
Try not to be as stupid as you sound
fantomdog you are a complete moron. You are a disgrace to the human race.
Yes team Obama sure has made us more respected and safer in the world, sticking your head in the sand and hoping it all goes away is great foreign policy. Who's plan is this the President's or Sec. Clinton, because of their inept middle east policies the region is close to exploding. Hope you all like $7.00 a gal. gas !!!
hkdakota: Buy an electric car.
Yes team Obama sure has made us more respected and safer in the world, sticking your head in the sand and hoping it all goes away is great foreign policy. Who's plan is this the President's or Sec. Clinton, because of their inept middle east policies the region is close to exploding. Hope you all like $7.00 a gal. gas !!!
Ok.....what would you suggest ?? Bomb, Bomb Bomb ???
You own a gun perhaps ? NRA Member ?
Bombs don't kill people. Only people kill people.
Ban suicide bombers! They don't even have 2nd Amendment rights!
Soon to be coming to a neighborhood nrear you...
TERRORISTS kill people.. Children, women, civilians/makes no difference to TERRORISM, who they kill.. The Western News Media excels in using any other label but TERRORISM for their actions.. Bomber, suicide bomber, insurgent, militant ANY OTHER NAME but TERRORIST.. Wonder what they will call it when it happens here?
no info hopefully just a Büyük barbekü
2 people dead- the suspected suicide bomber and the security guard at the x-ray machine at US Embassy's entrance for personnel and visitors. Of note- there was a power outage in the area. 2 other people injured in the explosion. Embassy personnel taken to saferooms since police think there might be a 2nd attack. This happened in Ankara. SECURITY CAMERAS NOT RECORDING due to power outage. Turks have been demonstrating against NATO Patriot Missiles at the Turkey/Syria border and even tried to 'sack' German personnel (put them in sacks). Stay with the latest- go to http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/
BREAKING news- Osama Bin Laden's son-ni-law Suleyman M. arrested in TUIRKEY where he had entered under a fake Saudi Arabian passport. After 9/11 WTC attacks 2001 he stayed in a camp in IRAN. Turkey was about to let OBL son-in-law be released for fake passport entry after US tipped them of him- Turkish police did not let him go (like previously the 2 Benghazi assassinators from Egypt)
If your going to search someone for bombs why not do it in a bomb proof room? What I mean is have the x-ray machine in a room by it self and then if he person or idiot wants to blow himself up let him/her do it in a room by them selves. The same goes for our airports. Why are the x-ray machines inside the airports? How many stupid people are in Washington D. C.? All of them!
you know, It always pleasantly surprises me whenever I come across a post that doesn't involve the old "you dont agree with my views so I'll rant and call you names" reponse. I believe your idea is excellant and very do-able. Which, of course, is why it won't be implemented. As to your open question of how many stupid people are in D.C, it seems it is just a fraction of the general population.
Well, this is Turkey, you know. Lots and lots of Izzy Fundies there, so one of them was going to light himself off sooner or later, and we should probably expect more. As Achmed the Dead Terrorist used to sing, : Oh, / Jingle bombs, jingle bombs, / Mine blew up, you see. / Where are all the virgins / That Bin Laden promised me? "
Round up the usual suspects.