Why some in supposedly liberal France are up in arms about gay marriage

Claude Paris / AP

Opponents to government plans to legalize same-sex marriage, adoption and medically-assisted procreation for same-sex couples, shout slogans during a demonstration, in Marseille, southern France, on Feb. 2. Placard reads "Mom and Dad, it's natural."

"Une mère, un mari, un mariage" (One mother, one husband, one marriage): This is the call to arms for those opposed to the legalization of gay marriage and gay adoption in France.

Under this banner thousands turned out on Saturday for demonstrations organized in every one of France's 96 regions.

The French parliament adopted Saturday the main clause of a bill that would allow same-sex marriage and grant gay couples the right to adopt children.

Deputies voted 249-97 to back the clause.

About 1,000 people holding signs that read, "We are all born of a man and a woman" gathered in Paris not far from the parliament building, Reuters reported. Protesters also assembled outside the town hall in Lyon.

The umbrella group for the anti camp is called "manif pour tous" (a pun: manif, or demonstration, for everyone as opposed to marriage for everyone). Spokesman Tugdual Derville said it would be a symbolic day, illustrating that opponents "are present everywhere in France."

The group was behind a huge rally in Paris attended by between 340,000 and 800,000 people on Jan. 13. Saturday's event, according to Derville, is for those who want to demonstrate but perhaps do not have the means to travel to Paris.

So what exactly are they protesting against?

They insist their movement is not homophobic, that it is the legalization of gay adoption that they are against as this amounts to the breakdown of the traditional family.

They say children have a fundamental right to have a father and a mother.

"We must think of future generations. Not only of the desires of adults today," Derville told NBC News.

But those in favor have vocal support, too.

"Marriage should be a simple contract between two individuals. Let's make it available to all couples eager to make this contract to each other," Christophe Barbier, editor of the influential L'Express weekly news magazine and a supporter of the law, told NBC News.

The opponents, Barbier believes, are "afraid that after civil contracts (between homosexual couples), and now marriage, the next step will be IVF (for lesbian couples) and surrogate pregnancies (for gay men)."

President's pledge
Other countries in Western Europe -- such as Belgium and the Netherlands -- have already legalized gay marriage. But nowhere has the opposition been as vocal as in France -- not even in Spain and Portugal, which are predominantly Catholic like France.

This opposition may seem at odds with France's 'liberal' reputation. But Barbier insisted to NBC News: "France is not liberal, neither economically nor socially. France is conservative -- and occasionally revolutionary."

President Francois Hollande was confident the legislation would pass thanks to his Socialist Party's majority. Legalizing gay marriage was a manifesto pledge during his 2012 election campaign.

According to Barbier, for political reasons the president had to fulfill this pledge: "Francois Hollande needs to deliver on the promises made during his campaign: In the economic field, this is difficult, with social issues, it's easier."

Luckily for him, he also appears to have the backing of the majority of French voters.

A recent poll for Atlantico.fr carried out by Ifop found that 63 percent of people in France support the legalization of same-sex marriage. Forty-nine percent supported gay adoption.

This does not diminish the fervor of those opposed. According to a poll cited by "Manif pour Tous" only 6 percent of people see this issue as a priority.

"The priority is the economy, housing and jobs, so politically the president should have the wisdom to renounce this project," said Derville, the group's spokesman.

A poll by Yougov for Le Huffpost (the Huffington Post's French-language edition) backs this up, finding 72 percent feel the debate has already gone on for too long.

Unfortunately for them, the real debate in France's National Assembly just started on Tuesday and is due to run for two whole weeks -- including weekends.

Related:

Tens of thousands march in support of gay marriage in Paris

Protest against gay marriage: Huge crowds expected in Paris

French Muslims join opposition to same-sex marriage

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Don't you just hate the fact that
when a person makes fun of a
gay man now that 100 people come to his defense like he's a little 5 year old girl you
are picking on. I'm sorry. I am
not picking on a little 5 year old girl. I
am picking on a grown man who plays with poo. If he is a man, he
should be able to defend
himself. A lot of people are discriminated
against but the gays whine the loudest. Give them their rights
so they will shut up. You will never get me to say it's normal. A
fag is a man who
thinks his butthole is a vagina
and that is disturbing. Butts were made to poo with you idiot.

Hey though. Give the gays all the rights they want. The can even couple up and call it marriage. I don't care. Just give me the right to make fun of them.

    Reply#85 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 1:28 PM EST

    I want to live in a
    world where it is ok to make fun of
    butt pirates. If we don't give them
    crap
    for being faggots, more and more suckers will fall under their spell. For god's sake they play with poo. Stop giving homo's their dignity.
    There is no dignity in a man wanting
    to be a woman and
    thinking his butthole is a vigina. It is the stupidest, most moronic thing in
    the world.

    A
    dirty little secret about butt
    pirates is that too much butt piracy and
    one can have incontinency problems. It is a choice
    as is everything in life. A person
    born with a stick up their butt certainly doesn't have to leave the stick up their butt. It can be removed. Everything a man
    does is a choice. A man
    is a piece of clay constantly being changed by their choices. The fact that
    I am writing this is a choice. I could stop and be P.C. but I have one word to say "poo." The germiest hole in the body,
    blood, feces, spooge. These are the
    things that describe a homosexual man's
    so-called
    act of love. Butts were made to
    poo with. This is homosexual love--poo,
    germy germy poo and faggots just love that sticky sticky goo. Give the whiners their
    rights but I'll keep my right to say it is
    very sick and
    disgusting.

    One of the most disturbing things that has
    occured in the last few years was
    that they created a
    faggot hotline for kids. This hotline was created for
    confused kids and run by
    homos and homo lovers. We don't need a confused kid talking to a
    faggot saying be proud that you were born
    a homosexual. This is the bull
    they are feeding people. Everything
    is a choice. No one is born gay. We
    make
    ourselves into what we are by the choices we make. It is this way for
    everybody? To say that you were born with a dick up your butt is the biggest load of bull that rational
    human beings on this planet are
    believing right now. It is complete bull.

      Reply#86 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 1:30 PM EST

      Come in to the 21ft century. I guess Sodom and Gomorrah was ahead of their time and god destroyed them because he felt like they need to wait for the 21 first centuries. So now people thank that since we are in the 21 first century we should be like Sodom and Gomorrah and god will accept it now. Gay and pedophile was accepted back during the dark ages and some people think that we should go back to that way of thanking. I agree gay people deserve support but not in that what they are doing is right but in understanding that what they are doing is wrong. This is just my opinion and I realize that other people have different opinions’ this is what I like about the USA being able to express oneself without fear of retribution.

        Reply#87 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 1:31 PM EST

        To..wrorwo""""

        Right...

        Funny how people always bring up the bible or story of Sodom and Gomorrah...but leave out the fact Lot offered up his two virgin daughters to the mob instead of the strangers who just come to town ...some dad huh...but then they were a little freaky..after Mom turned into a pillar of salt....

        "Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing. Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don't do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof." (Genesis 19:6–8)

        He and his two daughters found a cave to live in ... One day the older daughter said to the younger, "Our father is old, and there is no man around here to lie with us, as is the custom all over the earth. Let's get our father to drink wine and then lie with him and preserve our family line through our father." That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and lay with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up. (Genesis 19:30–33)

        The next day the older daughter said to the younger, "Last night I lay with my father. Let's get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and lie with him so we can preserve our family line through our father." So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went and lay with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up. So both of Lot's daughters became pregnant by their father. (Genesis 19:34–36)"

          #87.1 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:20 PM EST
          Reply

          It wouldn't hurt if it weren't true.

          A terrible plague has befallen gay men accross the
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          help them too feel good about themselves again. Here is a real
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          "It started with just a little leakage when I had
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          again. Now I am gay, I wear diapers and I am proud of
          myself."

          Please help before its too late. Only people like
          you can help us put an end to homosexual male
          incontinence.

            Reply#88 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 1:31 PM EST

            Gays should have the
            right to be gay. Yes. Gays should
            have
            the right to be a couple. I don't see why not.
            Gays
            can
            even be a
            couple and call it marriage. Hey
            what
            ever floats your boat. Do
            what
            you want I and will not judge you though I do
            like to make fun of you because it is
            so easy.

            I have a problem with you though if
            you
            are a
            gay Christian. The two
            don't really mix. First of all God
            calls
            it "detestible." Also look at the
            beginning of Romans. It says it
            is a
            "shameful lust." It also
            says,
            "Men committed indecent acts with other men, and
            received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion." Wow. The "due penalty" is actually an STD I
            would imagine. So this is kind of like a "God
            told you so" verse. If this is what God says about
            unbelievers who were homosexuals than how much more so ministers. If
            you
            are a
            minister who supports gay rights in the church or is gay,
            you
            are
            an
            abomination. You are the
            devil in the church. Any right minded Christian should
            break any ties they have to
            such a
            church. Run, Flee. Get the hell out. As for gay
            ministers who marry, you make me
            want
            to vomit which is exactly what I think
            God would say too. Gay
            ministers
            are fakes and false teachers. I'm
            sure Jesus himself would call it an abmonition. "Not the smallest
            letter" will disappear from the law. You
            teach
            lies. Beware. Do not be caught
            calling God a liar as the
            devil did.

              Reply#89 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 1:32 PM EST

              I don't know what the big deal is here. This has existed since time began, it is nothing new, and it isn't going away. If they want to get married, more power to them. About the only real objection that makes ant sense to me is that some don't want to give gays the same tax breaks in marriage that heteros do, but i disagree even with that. If you look back in history as to why the tax breaks were given in the first place, it is clear that gays deserve the same break, or no one does

                Reply#90 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 1:36 PM EST

                You god is a myth...an immoral, murdering myth.

                  Reply#91 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 1:37 PM EST

                  That idea of course is YOUR myth and opinion, but most do not share it

                  • 1 vote
                  #91.1 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 1:40 PM EST
                  Reply

                  really? Prove your mythical sky fairy exists. Secondly, facts are now subject to popularity?

                    Reply#92 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 1:43 PM EST

                    Prove that God DOESN'T exist..., and in this country there are far more Christians and religious people than non..Your beliefe that He is a myth is just your opinion, as his exostance is mine and QUITE a few more others....If you want to make claims about a God you don't even believe in, be sure to label the comment as only your opinion, though we already knew that anyway....

                    • 1 vote
                    #92.1 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 1:44 PM EST

                    Ed -

                    It's easy to prove god doesn't exist by the very definition of god...can god make himself cease to exist...if no, then god's not all powerful...if yes, then he's not powerful enough to prevent his ceasing to exist...and since god cannot be all powerful, then god cannot exist as an all powerful god...

                      #92.2 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:18 PM EST

                      Deeten,God's voice is low and gentle,yet The Heavens shout his name and are humbled by his works.

                        #92.3 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 3:42 PM EST

                        All you are doing is making claims about some being that you don't know, don't understand, and don't believe in to start with. You cannot prove that God does not exist. Therefore, your "godless" world is no less a myth then your claim ours WITH a God is........and there my child...it is........

                          #92.4 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 4:00 PM EST

                          Prove that God DOESN'T exist...,

                          A logical fallacy: you can't prove the non-existance of something!

                          and in this country there are far more Christians and religious people than non..

                          An argumentum ad populum: another logical fallacy!

                          ..Your beliefe that He is a myth is just your opinion,

                          That's closer to actual fact.

                          as his exostance is mine and QUITE a few more others

                          That's your belief. but belief doesn't equal fact!

                          ....If you want to make claims about a God you don't even believe in

                          If you want to make claims about a god you believe in, make sure you back up those claims with some evidence or proof!

                          Therefore, your "godless" world is no less a myth

                          No, that's reality! By all means, prove there's a god then!

                          • 1 vote
                          #92.5 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 11:06 PM EST

                          gord dufas prove there's not a God.... then.

                            #92.6 - Sun Feb 3, 2013 9:40 PM EST

                            gord dufas prove there's not a God.... then.

                            See my statement about logical fallacies above. Or are you going to continue to prove your ignorance?

                            • 2 votes
                            #92.7 - Mon Feb 4, 2013 5:18 PM EST

                            Bla bla bla put your panties(not your sister's) where your mouth is....and your statements are a bunch of illogical garbage....why you and several of your libtard buddies get jumped on so much is because : you call everyone racists and bigots and all kinds of things because they merely don't share your points of view.Constantly making demeaning comments about those that are religious and conservative, so you are just as critical of those who don't share your twisted point of views...hypocritical...same tactics same results...ironic isn't it.

                              #92.8 - Tue Feb 5, 2013 2:22 PM EST

                              ....and your statements are a bunch of illogical garbage

                              Obviously, you can't address or refute any pooints made, much less support your own. Then you veer off topic and avoid the issue, as well as throw out ad hom attacks. I guess that makes you a troll then!

                                #92.9 - Wed Feb 6, 2013 7:01 PM EST
                                Reply

                                My dog wants to marry my cat, only problem is they don't make enough money to pay for a wedding, as a matter of fact they don't make any money at all. There are no living wage jobs for cats and dogs unless they are Movie Stars.

                                Can we please get back onto the subject of Living Wage Jobs and the economy before the extreme left and the extreme right alienate everyone in the middle who are struggling to survive?

                                • 1 vote
                                Reply#93 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 1:47 PM EST

                                ted,

                                Define "living wage". And, who determines what it is?

                                  #93.1 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 1:58 PM EST
                                  Reply

                                  You carry the burden of proof for god existence. The default position cannot be one held without proof for that position. Sadly, you bible-babblers cant grasp the logic.

                                  You want everyone to obey the laws of your mythical sky fairy well, then you have to prove its existence.

                                    Reply#94 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 1:51 PM EST

                                    Stephen,

                                    Just looking at a beautiful sunset or the miracle of life............

                                    "Sadly you can't grasp the logic".

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #94.1 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 1:55 PM EST

                                    Wow...belief from emotion. Well, luckily for you, we know what causes those but, I'll play your game...so, your loving god create sunsets and the miracle of life....how about the miracle of birth defects, still births, hurricanes, viruses, disease, racism, bigotry, or Sandy Hook shooting massacres?

                                    That's your "proof" for gawd?

                                      #94.2 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:05 PM EST

                                      God does not need to provide proof to me, you, or anyone. You show a disturbing lack of humility, my friend. If you don't believe, fine for you. But, do you really think that one man, who was only on this earth for 33 years, could have such a powerful effect on billions of people, for thousands of years, if he were NOT divine? People much smarter than you and me died for Him.

                                      Think on it.

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #94.3 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:19 PM EST

                                      Stephen, I pray that your eyes are open to the truth. You are believing in a lie, so see you do believe in something no matter how wrong.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #94.4 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:27 PM EST

                                      What's the lie? Tell me, if gawd was a real sky fairy, then why would he not make the same truth known to all people, all over the world? why are their so many different mythical sky fairies?

                                      I hope you open your eyes some day and realize we are hear by ourselves and all our issues and problems are for us and us along to solve.

                                        #94.5 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:29 PM EST

                                        That's so sad, Stephen. You would rather believe in the lie so you can continue to live a the way you want. God has placed knowledge of himself in every human heart, but many reject. "The fool says in his heart, there is no God". Psalm 14:1

                                        • 2 votes
                                        #94.6 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:33 PM EST

                                        To..GET""""

                                        You mean like Tutankhamun...or more like Elvis and Graceland

                                          #94.7 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:36 PM EST

                                          Stephen, it isn't for YOU to ask HIM why. He doesn't owe us why. He doesn't owe us anything. We owe Him trust and obedience. He gave you life, free will, and unconditional love.

                                          Did it ever occur to you that, as a human beings, you and I aren't capable of understanding WHY???

                                          • 2 votes
                                          #94.8 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:40 PM EST

                                          Amun...whatever that says...

                                          No, I don't mean like Elvis, or Tut. NO ONE has ever walked this earth that has had had this influence on people, without ever lifting a sword, harming, or ill-speaking ANYONE. No one lives their life around Elvis or King Tut. Billions of people live with the motivation to do the right thing, when no one is watching, to earn their wasy to be with Him in the next, and better world.

                                          I will never convince you. But I do feel sorry for you. You believe in science, yes? And the intellectual achievements of men? This is your faith? This gives you purpose?

                                          The good news for you is that He wants to now you, even though you reject Him. And I am not a "Bible-thumper," as you would say. Just someone who has been able to see, through MUCH grief and pain, that He has been there for me, that He loves me, as insignificant and unworthy as I am. I hope you do not need to go through pain to learn that as well. I wish you the best.

                                          • 2 votes
                                          #94.9 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:47 PM EST

                                          To..Get"""

                                          What is he gay ..".wants to know you " that's bibiliesque for the begettin thing

                                            #94.10 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:51 PM EST

                                            Amunn...whatever that says

                                            Not sure, but I think that was an attempt at a joke. Sorry, not close to funny.

                                            My belief is, and I am no one special to have great insight, is that God is a parent, and, as a parent, he wants most of all to be with his children. I have understood this much better after becomming a parent. I would walk through fire to be close to my child. I would lay my life down this second to protect my child. I will forgive my child anything.

                                            This is how parents are. And God, I believe, is the perfect parent. He wants us close to Him.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #94.11 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:57 PM EST

                                            We carry nothing. It is YOU that claims there is no God, yet you cannot prove that stance. Therefore, you live in a mythical Godless world as far as we are concerned.

                                              #94.12 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 4:04 PM EST

                                              steven, (lower case intentional)the only fairy, sky or otherwise is You

                                                #94.13 - Sun Feb 3, 2013 9:48 PM EST

                                                It is YOU that claims there is no God, yet you cannot prove that stance

                                                Because one cannot prove the non-existance of something. You make the affirmative claim, you bear the responsibility of proving it!

                                                Therefore, you live in a mythical Godless world as far as we are concerned.

                                                That's called reality. I guess your delusion must be nicer, like imaginationland.

                                                . And God, I believe, is the perfect parent. He wants us close to Him.

                                                You're free to believe whatever you want.

                                                Billions of people live with the motivation to do the right thing, when no one is watching, to earn their wasy to be with Him in the next, and better world.

                                                That's funny. I do not believe in any deity. yet, I do the right thing and be a good person, and not for any reward. Expecting reward is false faith.

                                                  #94.14 - Wed Feb 6, 2013 7:05 PM EST
                                                  Reply

                                                  Why stop at only "couples" or "two individuals". Why not three people that love each other, or four? Or why not brother on brother or sister on sister? Or father on son? Why stop there?

                                                  • 1 vote
                                                  Reply#95 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 1:52 PM EST

                                                  bernie-1722829

                                                  The Mormons are way ahead of ya.

                                                    #95.1 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 1:54 PM EST

                                                    ted,

                                                    And.............?

                                                    Are you telling me Mormons don't have "rights"?

                                                      #95.2 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 1:56 PM EST

                                                      C'mon Bernie, you're intelligent enough to get the meaning out of context.

                                                      Quit trying to make something out of nothing.

                                                        #95.3 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:06 PM EST

                                                        ted,

                                                        Huhhhhh?

                                                          #95.4 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 6:26 PM EST
                                                          Reply

                                                          If people are "born gay".....wouldn't this gene have already disappeared over time by not being passed along??

                                                          • 2 votes
                                                          Reply#96 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:07 PM EST

                                                          Why would it be...???

                                                            #96.1 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:16 PM EST

                                                            well duh.....they would not procreate...

                                                              #96.2 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:45 PM EST

                                                              Because it's wrong, disgusting ,vile , nasty & makes heterosexuals want to puke. To understand how it makes straight people feel, follow a dog around until he takes a dump & then pick up that Giant Tootsie-Roll & take a big bite. Now swallow. The same puke reflex from dog $hit is the same gag reflex straights have over fags. Sorry but it's the truth. We can't make it normal or anything like that. It is just plain sick & nasty. Straights have the right to their opinions too. Do what you want, have a good gay life but don't try & make us believe it is normal.

                                                                #96.3 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:47 PM EST
                                                                Reply

                                                                When gays are rejected by the frogs, it's time for them to immigrate to Iran...

                                                                  Reply#97 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:08 PM EST

                                                                  Hey homos. I'm all for giving you your rights but I will keep my right to make you look stupid and make fun of you. There's that evil word that all gay men fear because it give the right impression and makes gay sex sound disgusting just like it is--poo. The so-called act of homosexual male love can be described with three words. Blood, feces and semen. What a germy mix. Have any right you want gay man but I retain the right to make fun of you. People should actually start doing this again and more often. It's too easy to make gays look stupid. I say give them their rights then make fun of them so much that it makes them feel so ashamed of themselves that they go back and hide in the closet where they belong. Better yet maybe they finally seek the medical help they need. Gay male sex is nasty. I hate it when fag lovers come to their defense like I'm picking on a little girl. So these people think its perfectly ok to play with poo. I ask you gay man. How long does it take to wash the smell off.

                                                                  Faggots like to say that homosexuality is
                                                                  genetic and that they were born that way. So what you are saying is that you
                                                                  were born with a genetic defect which causes you to think you are a woman and
                                                                  that your butt is a vagina. If all the
                                                                  homos out there just admitted they need help, then maybe we could develope a
                                                                  medication to treat this irrational behavior. Maybe you need brain surgery to
                                                                  correct this defect. What are you saying you were born with? Are you saying you
                                                                  were born with a penis in your butt.
                                                                  Everything is a choice. Every decision that you make is a choice. You can choose
                                                                  not to wipe your butt. It doesn't
                                                                  mean you should. Get over it. You chose to
                                                                  disgrace yourself and play with
                                                                  poo, germy, germy poo.

                                                                    Reply#98 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:08 PM EST

                                                                    Norman, your defect is thinking you can make logical case for your bigotry.

                                                                    Fail.

                                                                      #98.1 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:22 PM EST

                                                                      He's doing a pretty good job explaining what male gay sex is about. I don't see much rebuttal. What has he said that is untrue?

                                                                        #98.2 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 3:01 PM EST
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                                                                          Reply#99 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:09 PM EST

                                                                          Mutation of the mind is happening more and more, is it all the extra chemicals in the fertilizer that is accumulating in more people's brains . WHEN A PERSON HAS THE PROOF IN FRONT OF HIM' HER BY LOOKING AT THE UN DISPUTING FACT THAT A MOTHER AND A FATHER BROUGHT THEM INTO THIS LIFE AND WANT TO BE DIFFERENT THAN THOSE FACTS ' THEN SOMETHING IS MENTALLY WRONG WITH THEIR BRAINS. Mutation happens in all living species.

                                                                            Reply#100 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:17 PM EST

                                                                            I don't preach hate I preach repentance. I poke fun at you because what you do is nasty. Outside of Christianity, I will certainly say you have every right to be gay. You can even be a couple and call it marriage if that floats your boat. But, gays should never be allowed to adopt. Never. There's another thing gays should never be--Christian ministers. For those people I have words and they are not good as I am sure God would say the same thing as myself.

                                                                            Gays should have the right to be gay. Yes. Gays should have the right to be a
                                                                            couple. I don't see why not. Gays can even be a couple and call it marriage. Hey
                                                                            what ever floats your boat. Do what you want I and will not judge you though I
                                                                            do like to make fun of you because it is so easy.

                                                                            I have a problem with you though if you are a gay Christian. The two don't
                                                                            really mix. First of all God calls it "detestible." Also look at the beginning
                                                                            of Romans. It says it is a "shameful lust." It also says, "Men committed
                                                                            indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for
                                                                            their perversion." Wow. The "due penalty" is actually an STD I would imagine. So
                                                                            this is kind of like a "God told you so" verse. If this is what God says about
                                                                            unbelievers who were homosexuals than how much more so ministers. If you are a
                                                                            minister who supports gay rights in the church or is gay, you are an
                                                                            abomination. You are the devil in the church. Any right minded Christian should
                                                                            break any ties they have to such a church. Run, Flee. Get the hell out. As for
                                                                            gay ministers who marry, you make me want to vomit which is exactly what I think
                                                                            God would say too. Gay ministers are fakes and false teachers. I'm sure Jesus
                                                                            himself would call it an abmonition. "Not the smallest letter" will disappear
                                                                            from the law. You teach lies. Beware. Do not be caught calling God a liar as the
                                                                            devil did.

                                                                              Reply#101 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:19 PM EST

                                                                              Norman, if god asked you to blow him, would you?

                                                                                Reply#102 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:22 PM EST

                                                                                Because the truth is the truth. Man and woman were made for each other and anything else is a perversion of the truth of the way God made us.

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                                                                                Reply#103 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:24 PM EST

                                                                                Really?...being that homosexuality is observed in most other species...and that we are just another species....why is it a perversion?

                                                                                Oh, your make-believe sky fairy said so.

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                                                                                #103.1 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:26 PM EST

                                                                                So Stephen, you compare humans to animals? Wow, so lost. http://www.narth.com/docs/animalmyth.html

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                                                                                #103.2 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:28 PM EST

                                                                                Fights -

                                                                                It's easy to prove god doesn't exist by the very definition of god...can god make himself cease to exist...if no, then god's not all powerful...if yes, then he's not powerful enough to prevent his ceasing to exist...and since god cannot be all powerful, then god cannot exist as an all powerful god...

                                                                                  #103.3 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:29 PM EST

                                                                                  Fights, So, humans are not animals? Have you ever taken Bio 101?

                                                                                  An appeal to an extraordinary claim needs extraordinary evidence. None exists.

                                                                                    #103.4 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:31 PM EST

                                                                                    MOST species? Prove it.

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                                                                                    #103.5 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:33 PM EST

                                                                                    Stephen, God has made man with a conscience and a soul and with comprehension/reasoning to think and feel and speak. Animals don't have a conscience, their purpose for being in the world is for humans and humans alone.

                                                                                      #103.6 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:35 PM EST

                                                                                      Dee, ridiculous. God can do anything he wants to do, however, if he chose to not exist, everything would not exist. Do you understand the illogical statement you're making. The only reason everything is here is because of God. I can't convince you that God is true only God can do that. But be careful and don't allow your heart to be so hardened to the truth that there's no going back.

                                                                                        #103.7 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:48 PM EST

                                                                                        How's god's golf game?

                                                                                          #103.8 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 5:43 PM EST
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                                                                                          To the woman holding the papa plus mama equals natural sign...

                                                                                          "What part of Satan loves you do you not understand"?!

                                                                                            Reply#104 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:24 PM EST

                                                                                            It's so sad to see the French act as backwards as the Americans. What a bunch of freedom hating filth.

                                                                                              Reply#105 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:29 PM EST

                                                                                              Funny people saying homosexuality is not genetic...they can sure theorize a lot of other traits that are genetic what's up with that...

                                                                                              Some Politics May Be Etched in the Genes

                                                                                              By BENEDICT CAREY
                                                                                              Published: June 21, 2005

                                                                                              Political scientists have long held that people's upbringing and experience determine their political views.

                                                                                              *****But on the basis of a new study, a team of political scientists is arguing that people's gut-level reaction to issues like the death penalty, taxes and abortion is strongly influenced by genetic inheritance. The new research builds on a series of studies that indicate that people's general approach to social issues - more conservative or more progressive - is influenced by genes.

                                                                                              http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/21/science/21gene.html?ex=1277006400&en=dde7d8feedd2f87f&ei=

                                                                                              Genes contribute to religious inclination

                                                                                              16 March 2005

                                                                                              NewScientist.com news service
                                                                                              Maggie McKee

                                                                                              Genes may help determine how religious a person is, suggests a new study of US twins. And the effects of a religious upbringing may fade with time.Until about 25 years ago, scientists assumed that religious behaviour was simply the product of a person's socialisation - or "nurture". But more recent studies, including those on adult twins who were raised apart, suggest genes contribute about 40% of the variability in a person's religiousness

                                                                                              http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7147

                                                                                              Boys with ‘warrior gene’ likely to join gangs

                                                                                              Aggressive trait also linked to violence, weapon use, new study finds
                                                                                              June 5, 2009

                                                                                              Boys who have a so-called "warrior gene" are more likely to join gangs and also more likely to be among the most violent members and to use weapons, a new study finds.

                                                                                              "While gangs typically have been regarded as a sociological phenomenon, our investigation shows that variants of a specific MAOA gene, known as a 'low-activity 3-repeat allele,' play a significant role," said biosocial criminologist Kevin M. Beaver of Florida State University.

                                                                                              Violent traits are hereditary

                                                                                              http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31128684/

                                                                                              One in five women strays but maybe she can't resist – it's in her genes
                                                                                              By Mark Henderson, Science Correspondent

                                                                                              A WOMAN’S genes are as likely to make her cheat on her husband or boyfriend as they are to trigger high blood pressure or depression.

                                                                                              A study of more than 1,600 pairs of female twins has revealed that genetic factors have as much influence over infidelity as they do over medical conditions in which their role has long been established.

                                                                                              The research at St Thomas’ Hospital in London puts the heritable element of female infidelity at 41 per cent — a figure on a par with traits such as hypertension, susceptibility to migraine, depression and anxiety, and age at menopause.

                                                                                              http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1373513,00.html

                                                                                              Scientists find genetic link to infidelity

                                                                                              KAREN MCVEIGH

                                                                                              Key points

                                                                                              • Scientific study claims 40% of women’s motivation to have affairs is genetic
                                                                                              • Claims infidelity caused by suite of genes on three chromosomes
                                                                                              • Study based on 1,600 female twins but scientists believe men are similar

                                                                                              Key quote

                                                                                              "Since this research has come out, I’ve had people e-mailing me and saying, I think I’m at risk from this gene, what can I do about it? Is there anything I can take?" - Dr Petra Boynton, University College London sex and relationship psychologist

                                                                                              http://news.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=1353062004

                                                                                                Reply#106 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:30 PM EST

                                                                                                Jul 21, 2005 ... Benedict Carey previously worked at the Los Angeles Times, where he wrote
                                                                                                many gay-themed articles, with many focusing on the HIV/AIDS

                                                                                                Karen McVeigh has been a senior news reporter for the Guardian since
                                                                                                December 2006. Before that, she freelanced for the Times following a five-year
                                                                                                stint as ...

                                                                                                Both Gay activists.

                                                                                                  #106.1 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:33 PM EST

                                                                                                  To..bob"""

                                                                                                  What as opposed to a hetero activist ...or don't they have any of those

                                                                                                    #106.2 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:40 PM EST

                                                                                                    Misleading information. Have you read or reviewed any of those studies or read peer reviews along with parameters of clinical and behavioural criteria? No?

                                                                                                    Two years later, a separate team of scientists implicated the brain's dopamine D4 receptor gene, linked to addictive behavior, as another key in the infidelity ignition [source: Garcia et al]. One type of D4 genetic variation called a 7R+ allele effectively diminishes the concentration of dopamine receptors in the brain's reward system; previous studies have likewise associated it with sensation-seeking behavior, including monetary spending, promiscuity and cigarette smoking. And, indeed, infidelity study participants possessing the 7R+ allele reported higher numbers of sexual partners than those with a standard 7R- allele. Compellingly, the 7R+ folks were no more prone to cheating than their 7R- counterparts. Once they crossed the adultery line, however, they tended to do so with a higher number of sexual partners [source: Garcia et al].

                                                                                                    Conclusions/Significance

                                                                                                    DRD4 VNTR genotype varies considerably within and among populations and has been subject to relatively recent, local selective pressures. Individual differences in sexual behavior are likely partially mediated by individual genetic variation in genes coding for motivation and reward in the brain. Conceptualizing these findings in terms of r/K selection theory suggests a mechanism for selective pressure for and against the 7R+ genotype that may explain the considerable global allelic variation for this polymorphism.

                                                                                                    A genetic study published in November 2010 from Saint Thomas' Hospital in London supports this. Their analysis of 1,600 adult female twin pairs attributed 38 percent of unfaithful behavioral to inheritable genes, discrediting the notion that predisposed cheaters are completely at the mercy of vasopressin- and dopamine-mangling DNA [source: Cherkas et al]. In that case, the ultimate fate of romantic fidelity -- to cheat or not to cheat -- is left up to environmental chance and personal choice, naturally.

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                                                                                                    #106.3 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 3:05 PM EST

                                                                                                    I have found one constant in scientific facts, there are none. However, in scientific terms I believe it is a matter of choice or preference if you will.

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                                                                                                    #106.4 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 3:10 PM EST
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                                                                                                    Sexual preference is not a minority nor a right.

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                                                                                                    Reply#107 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:30 PM EST

                                                                                                    Sexual orientation is an attribute of human sexual behavior. No mystery there.

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                                                                                                    #107.1 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:32 PM EST

                                                                                                    StephenW so you agree?

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                                                                                                    #107.2 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:37 PM EST

                                                                                                    I'll agree with you if we get to take warm showers together.

                                                                                                    Beards, man that just does it for me.

                                                                                                      #107.3 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 9:33 PM EST

                                                                                                      I don't know about everyone else, but I'm a beard man myself.

                                                                                                      I don't wear one, but...

                                                                                                        #107.4 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 9:37 PM EST

                                                                                                        Check out Lawrence v. Texas, bob; the Supreme Court disagrees with you -- and their word on such things trumps yours. It's just one of a few cases in which they have found that what consenting adults do in private, as long as no one is harmed, is their business, and their right.

                                                                                                        Get over yourself.

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                                                                                                        #107.5 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 10:32 PM EST

                                                                                                        Hi erin, hows skrunk and bury....still eating baloney and poop samitches? see you have a new buddie steven w....

                                                                                                          #107.6 - Sun Feb 3, 2013 9:43 PM EST
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                                                                                                          Here is another political opportunity to pander to the G/L community and gain some votes, politics is about gaining votes instead of running a country.....

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                                                                                                          Reply#108 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:33 PM EST

                                                                                                          When the sheep herder decides to marry his favorite sheep, this society will have to remove the law that says " It's a crime to have sex with a sheep, because a sheep is the closest to a woman anatomically. Where will it end? IT WILL ONLY END WITH THE END OF THIS CIVILIZATION. WE'VE BEGAN THE SLIPPERY SLOPE IT'S ALL DOWNHILL FROM NOW ON. GOODBYE CRUEL WORLD IF ONLY THERE WHERE NOT SO MANY MUTANTS??????

                                                                                                            Reply#109 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:34 PM EST

                                                                                                            Yeah, and it all started with a woman deciding to have sex with you.

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                                                                                                            #109.1 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:36 PM EST
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