Another illogical Republican statement. We have a full embargo of Iran. This fighter can't be much of a worry or it would have been toast in development.

No...Obama didn't give them fighers.

You have FOX-a-mania, a kin to Rushilitis, or Whooping Beck Disease......

The article didn't mention if it has a bidet or wall-to-wall Persian carpeting inside. Also, does it self-launch, or does it require a catapult?

Iran has been daring us for years to do something about them.Simply put,Iran is pushing our buttons to see just how far they can go.

Rockyroad, if you had half a brain (which of course you don't) you'd know that the development of an advanced fighter (if it even exists) would have had to have started many years before Obama became president. But, you idiots want to blame him for EVERYTHING in the world. You're just another uninformed partisan hack.

Mike076,I doubt you would be posting anything like this if they were blaming Bush.Blaming Bush is getting a little old too.Here is a thought though.How about we quit blaming anybody for what happens and deal with the situation at hand?Placing the blame solves nothing.

LOL, this "new technology aircraft" is no more real than the original...a flying carpet! More bluster from another middle east kook.

I cannot imagine how the spokesperson could even say:

"This advanced fighter jet with unique physical characteristics has a very low radar cross section and therefore is capable of operating at low altitudes,"

Ummm, isn't flying low the traditional means for avoiding radar?

More lies from Iran...hardly news.

I believe the Wright brother's aircraft flew low as well.......... :-)

Rockyroad = blathering idiot

@wolfhound, Iran developing their military to protect its sovereign borders is no different than any other country setting up a defense for its people.

Since the demise of the Soviet Union, the United States has dominated the global arms market. We are the sales leader by far with 55% of global arms exports, quadruple the share of its closest competitor.

We have no moral authority to dictate how countries defend themselves. We are arming Al Qaeda in Libya and Syria. We force countries to arm themselves against the "terrorist" organizations that we arm.

Since the Russian war in 1828, Iran has never attacked another country. We on the other hand have bombed over 65 countries and have been at war for 217 of our short 236 year history as a country.

Enclosed is a few of the countries we have attacked:

Libya, Iran, Nicaragua, Haiti, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Angola, Mozambique, Honduras, Chile, Congo, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon, Somalia, Angola, Columbia, Peru, Panama, Yemen, Pakistan, Grenada, Mexico, Mali, etc..

It seems the sanctions imposed by the west have succeeded only in starving the Iranian people, nothing else.

Thank you Trustverify, I am tired of the incessant warmongering by the knuckledragging masses. Enough of the false demonization of third word countries. Most of the blathering zealots online here do not understand the historical aspects of geopolitics and the money that drives the evil of this world!

I would seriously doubt the capability of this fighter. The power plant required to compete against the Western Fighter Jets is something even the Russians struggle with at times. I'm guessing this is all based on old technology.

This is all GWB Jr. Fault starting two unfunded wars on both sides of Iran !!!

What did they built this thing from? Empty Coke cans? I did not know that flying carpets are now called fighter jets. Sorry.

Actually, it's [the plane] quite amazing at what you can "show" the world, with clever use of 17 sheets of 1/2" plywood, 53 sheets of foam core, 131 gallons of black paint, a few Tonka Toy wheels, and a nifty letter "F" in front of the "313" to suggest that it's a Fighter.

or.... to sum it up! All show, and no go!! LOL!!!

It's about as dangerous as the Bat Mobile!

Rockyclown,

ahhhh no, that would have been Reagan selling to Iran !!!!!!

Muslim Air Forces have long used advanced Soviet and Russian aircraft against American aircraft flown by US and Israeli pilots. They alway get their @sses handed to them. More saber rattlling from the empty scabbards of Iran and North Korea. Their rial is worth less than the paper it's printed on. It's about more than the quality of the aircraft but the abilities of the pilot and his/her training.

Recent satellite imagery shows the new fighter is equipped with one wing above the fuselage instead of two above and one below like the previous model. The pilot and rear gunner now enjoy newly installed Coleman catalytic heaters to keep the duo somewhat warm above three thousand feet! Other recent additions incorporate a levered bomb release inside the pilots cockpit instead of manually throwing the highly explosive ordnance over the side while trying to miss the bottom wing!

M.A.S.H.'s "Five o' Clock Charlie" never had it so good I think...........................

Yup, they're gonna kick our butts unless we lift trade sanctions.

I wouldn't want to be the test pilot....

They will use the monkey again.

While ridiculing Iran remember, many of their engineering students studied in the US and elsewhere, they may not be that incompetent. Given enough time they could take over the region. The Mullahs are willing to sacrifice their people to achieve their goal.

Ahmadinestooge never misses an opportunity to posture. He reminds me of a peddler in the Casbah!

I wonder if Iran's "advanced fighter jet" looks a lot like a Mig-15. You know, really, really "advanced."

I has great range.... if you wind it 100 times!

Are there any Iranian comments here yet? Would like to see a few of them

The aircraft shown looks fake. Shoddy glass work as it is all wavy. The video shows a rc model airplane flying with the gear in the down position. I am not believing they have a flying example of this at all.

actually, what it does when it flies, it has loudspeakers that shout ...death to the infidels, death to Israel, alla ackbar, then blows it self up .............yeah i know, but i just could not pass that up.ha!

It's obvious Iran is targetting radio-controlled plane enthusiasts. Maybe they're still carrying a grudge over that wayward drone...

New PR campaign to go to war with Iran? I hope not!

Sure does look like it though!

Only if Iran asks for it......

Eric,All politics aside.Iran has been pushing us and the UN for years.They are like a snotty kid saying"yeah i did this.what are you going to do about it?"

I agree wolf.....but they need to throw the "first punch" so to speak......

hmmmm.......now where did we put those neutron bombs...... :-)

Eric, what 'if' that 'first punch' is a nuke on NYC, LA, Dallas, Chicago, ect??? Remember, they do not need to launch a missile to hit us; could be a 'backpack nuke' by terrorists in the country, ect. What then Eric?

NJ i do agree with you however,You know full well that our society will never allow for a 1st strike.I know what people will say about Iraq but,that was really a continuation of Desert Storm.In the 1st war we had Saddam beat and beat bad.There was NOTHING that could have stopped us from going on to Baghdad and ousting Saddam even then.The politicians stopped us.(not the Iraqi Army)I still recall telling the XO and saying"we will be back within 10 years Tom because, this isn't finished yet."I was right.You people out there may not like it but,we had to fight Iraq twice because we were not allowed to finish it the 1st time.

NY John -Guess what, Iran doesn't have a nuke or a delivery system capable of reaching anywheree near New York. The article said they only have a few dozen fighters, so where is the threat?

Because Iran signed the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty, they are obligated to permit inspections at their nuclear enrichment sites. Iran is now and has been in full compliance. They cannot enrich beyond the 20% threshold for medical isotopes. Therefore, it is impossible for Iran to construct a nuclear weapon. Get it?

You read too much Zionist propaganda in the Zionist media. Israel wants the US to attack Iran in the worst way, so they put out disinformation for morons to swallow, like many of the war mongers on these forums.

January
2011: When Meir Dagan steps down as director of Israel’s Mossad spy agency, he
says that Iran would not be able to produce a nuclear weapon until 2015.
"Israel should not hasten to attack Iran, doing so only when the sword is
upon its neck," Mr. Dagan warned. Later he said that attacking Iran would
be "a stupid idea.... The regional challenge that Israel would face would
be impossible."

In a recent interview with CNN, Joint Chiefs Chairman Martin Dempsey said
he believed the Iranian regime was a "rational actor" when it comes to the nuclear program. Dempsey said Iran would likely weigh the
ultimate costs and benefits of building a nuclear weapon before doing so. James
Clapper, the Director of National Intelligence, recently told a Senate panel
that a decision had not yet been made by the regime in Tehran.

A growing number of analysts, including
Israelis, are now saying openly that Israel’s warnings are at least partly a
disinformation campaign.US and Israeli intelligence agencies mostly
agree that Iran has not restarted its development of a nuclear bomb, the New
York Times reported on Saturday.

According to the report, the assessment among top US officials is that Iran has
not yet decided to pursue a nuclear weapon, a conclusion which was established
based on intelligence analyses.

RalphH, The only reason i believe that the peace loving country of Iran doesn't have a nuke yet is because they haven't used it on anyone yet.I am sure that as soon as they get one somone will find out the hard way.

Why did Jr. lie to Congress to get us into the Iraq war, just ask Dick old boy Cheney !!!

Is this something the Republican party should be proud about ???

Sea...so your the President after 911. Clinton had to deal with the 1st tower bombing; USS Cole; the Marine towers; and the crap Iraq was doing like using WMD on their own people; funding terrorist camps in their own country; firing on UN aircraft; attempting to purchase more nuke material. In addition, the ENTIRE INTEL COMMUNITY FROM MANY NATIONS agreed he had WMD's. Most Dems in congress also agreed who read the intel reports from various countries. So given this background, 'how did GWB lie and what would you have done'?

RalpH is correct, Israel wants Uncle Sucka to do it for them and I hope he does. The only way to get Americans attention is dead Americans. Only this will lead to Uncle Sucka taking off the knee pads and let Israel fend for themselves. If this leads to a greater war and the draft is needed, don't bother me. I will not be going.

MCR,

Good to know that you are not going, that's one less on the side of Iran, very good news for USA and for Israel.

Art--it will be Israel---and even then the limp wrist Democrats will blame Bush!!

I believe you.......they would have to have McGuyver over there to make a new fighter jet out of aluminum foil and paper clips.

At 2/3 the size, that is better than what I was willing to give them credit for. I was thinking that it was probably plastic, covered in "Toys-R-Us" stickers, and launched from a small child's hand.

@tc959,

Wrongo Bucko! It is not a mockup --- there are plenty of videos on the web of it taking off, landing, firing rockets and attacking ground targets with bombs. Not things you can do with a 2/3 scale model. It looks sopmewhat similar to the F-18 with a lot more blended surfaces, so the "stealthy" description is probably accurate.

A fighter like this could easily be traded to North Korea for weapons grade plutonium.

It's kinda hard to fly a aircraft that has no engine and is too small for a grown man to sit in. Just saying. Check it out for your self Chris....http://www.businessinsider.com/irans-new-indigenous-fighter-qaher-313-david-cenciotti-2013-2

Thanks for the link tc959

Looks like a toy with Kim Jong Un's mini me sitting in the cockpit

http://theaviationist.com/

Yes Jethro ( I mean Chris), it's a mock up, and not a very good one either.

Take some time to look at the close ups of the cockpit and other structures and it's easy for anyone with some education to see it's incapable of operating at any level. The cockpit isn't designed to seal, the fiberglass batting around the front wheel well is clearly visible and it's tiny.

Whether it's the devil, our President, or the godless heathens "over there", why are all you ignorant, hateful rednecks so cowardly? Are you so incapable of investigating and deciding for yourself that you believe everything Fox News or your pastor tells you? What a bunch of inbred, yellow sheep; no wonder Alabama is such a social and economic sewer.

@Chris...... It's a mock up alright.

Look at this: http://theaviationist.com/2013/02/02/iran-new-stealth-fighter/#.UQ26JGeC8YQ

It's a mock-up. No question.

There is virtually nothing behind the instrument panel to indicate it's equipped with avionics (and why is it exposed?). With what should be a digital panel it has "analog" airspeed and altimeter gauges as primary.

The intakes for the engine are way too small. The engine exhaust would melt the tail right off, too, as it's just primary structure and not a design made to handle the heat of exhaust.

The nose is much too small to install a radar of any significance.

The canopy has a lot of distortion in it. Is it cheap Plexiglas?

And, obviously it is much too small.

Construction pretty much looks like an amateur modeler built it on a $500.00 budget.

Overall it looks like some director's idea of a "futuristic" plane used in a cheap and laughable science fiction movie. (A much better job was the very un-aerodynamic concept of a Mach 3-plus fighter in Firefox with Clint Eastwood.)

Good job Iran...

I've seen better props on Star Trek.

It is sad to say but,You are right about the U.S not having the will to finish what they start.It's not our troops fault.They get frustrated because we are not allowed to win.The politicians don't seem to get the fact that when you go to war someones feelings will get hurt.

Stalemate Gaza Stalemate Lebanon. They know how to cut their loses but the US had no idea how to do that until Obama.

Thanks thirdlife,that explains why we had the surge.

Interesting twist on history boys. And Israel's successful execution of wars has led to how much safety in its neighborhood? yeah. thought so. When your thinking ends with hoisting a gun into the air, the followup is merely laughter (and terrorist bombs).

WWII was about totalitarian mentality, xenophobia, and nationalism gone nuts. Recent wars have mixed in religion to manipulate the masses (you, etc) but are mostly about despots and their money. Different problems require different solutions. [Its called asymmetrical warfare to the professionals.] Liberals in America actually ask questions and understand consequences. Conservatives look more like christian analogs of their enemies . . . different religion but still about manipulating the masses and corporate (despot, military industrial complex wealthy) money. Try reading a book and turning off Fox and Limbaugh.

Bill,The U.S needs a good internal balance of both liberal and conservative ideas.Until we do we are just spinning our wheels and getting nowhere.There is no way the U.S can win a war as long as we are too busy fighting ourselves.

The big problem Wolfhound, is the Republican Party has been hi jacked by the neo conservatives, who planned 9/11, and the 2 wars of choice. They cannot wait to get back in power to finish what they stared by attacking Iran.

Listen to the rhetoric of McCain and Lindsey Graham. Those 2 fools are champing at the bit to do whatever Netanyahu wants them to do. Every time I listebn to Lindsey Graham, I want to puke. The people in South Carolina should be ashamed to have voted for a man who represents Israel.

Amen on Lindsey Graham, and put McCain in that same category.

Party drones are just hilarious!

Iranian Ralph -

"Osama Bin Laden's son-in-law Suleyman M. arrested in TURKEY where he had
entered under a fake Saudi Arabian passport. After 9/11 WTC attacks 2001 he
stayed in a camp in IRAN"

Your terrorist anti American, uncivilized and murderous mullahs in Iran have been harboring terrorist groups for years. One terrorist deserve another. 9/11 denial by your master ahmadinejad and your propaganda is old, very old, and useless.

thirdlife

Stalemate Gaza Stalemate Lebanon.

The reason those were stalemates was because our politicians have tied Israels hands the same way they have tied our military's hands. Since 73 Israel has not fought a full out war, they have been involved in skirmishes that our politicians have forced limitations on. If Israel gets into full out war and engages all targets fully instead of the limited engagements(caused by terrorists hiding behind civilians and their mommy's dresses) Iran will have their asses handed to them in a way they never thought possible. Why do you think Egypt and Jordan made peace, it wasn't because they like Israel, it was because they were tired of getting their asses whipped and losing land in every engagement. Assad with all his military power has also avoided direct involvement with Israel since 73, Assad has his proxies(Hamas and Hezbollah) cause trouble, but he wont get directly involved. Lebanon was pissed off with Syria because Hezbollah kept getting Lebanon involved in conflicts they no longer want any part of. Notice that although none of Israel's immediate neighbors like Israel, none are willing to get into conflicts any longer, it is the countries like Iran and the former Iraq that want the conflict, but they have buffer zones.

I hope not starbuck.From what i have heard about the ME-262 there is no way i would ever fly it..LOL

You owe me a new keyboard!

i bought a couple of those so called easy see keyboards you see on TV.You are welcome to it if you want.

I heard it was a remake of the ME-262.

I didn't know Ahmenijad was a Blue Oyster Cult fan!

@Cruydely,

You have no idea what you are talking about. A low cross section on a ground attack aircraft helps in that it allows the aircraft to avoid SAMs, especialy shoulder-fired SAMs, and radar-guided guns such as the ZPU-23. You seemed to miss the point that the aircraft is a tactical support and ground attack aircraft. These almost never operate at high altitude. Attempts to use F-18s and British Typhoon for high-altitude bombing were absolute failures, mostly because their targeting computers were not designed for high-altitude ops.

A low radar cross section on a ground attack fighter does not mean some Iranian is telling a fib. It means that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Chris, radar is blocked by any nearby structure or geologic feature which means that low level detection is difficult, compromised. Radar is most effective and reveals more useful returns several degrees above the horizon. Looking horizontally is problematic. Hence the truism of "sneaking in under the radar".

SAMs are not low altitude weapons. SAMs are not shoulder fired.

A low level attack aircraft does not need stealth capabilities. Please look at the A-10 Warthog.

F-18s and Typhoons are multi purpose, multi mission capable platforms and therefore trade off specific strengths for more general effectiveness.

A low cross section on a low level attack aircraft is a tit on a boar hog.

I do know what I'm talking about.

Happy trails.

Further, Chris, there is only one "y" in Crudley. Why? Because that's the way I write it.

Proof reading is your friend.

Chris is correct. The article simply said "low altitude," not in the weeds. That probably means 10K-20K' AGL, which is right in the heart of most SAM envelopes. You'd need a low RCS aircraft to approach at those altitudes. Aircraft that are easily detected on radar fly above those envelopes for safety.

And yes, some SAMs are shoulder-fired (SA-7, SA-14, stingers, etc.).

When you show us where they are at...... Wait!!!!......... I will tell you, France has them, yes good old France, France has said it out loud. "If Iran attack Israel it will counterattack with in minutes. France has many nuclear weapons

I'd be surprised if they were not being inspected right now, Thirdlife. By Israeli inspectors who are ensuring they are safely stored and in good condition, ready to deploy should they be needed. Just like we inspect ours. It's part of the burden of having them.

I'd bet most of the nukes in Israel have "made in the USA" printed on them..

What if they were so labeled, Herron? Do you have a point to make? Could it be that if they were so labeled something terrible and ominous is indicated? Please explain.

Herron the ones in China, I bet they have Made In USA on them also

Somebody wants to send american young men and women who cannot find a decent job at home to fight in the middle east so that the people in Tel Aviv can continue enjoying their sidewalk cafes.

thirdlife...why should Isreal allow inspections of it's nukes( if it has them) ? They never signed the NPT, therefore are not bound by it's provisions.

Israel never signed the NPT and you talk as if it were a badge of honor, instead of showing that Israel is a sneaky country run by war mongering criminals.

Iran, as a responsible member of the international community did sign the agreement.

Of course they did.

Can you say "smoke screen"?

Iranian Ralph -

Terrorist Iran is killing Americans all over the glove, sponsoring terrorism, funding terrorism, deploying terrorists to lebanon, Gaza, Egypt, Syria, Pakistan, Sudan, Mali, Alegeria, and establishing bases near the US in Venezuela and Mexico.

You cannot hide your anti American sentiments and continue propaganda for your master murderer ahmadinejad and the rest of the filthy theocratic dictators.

farideh - Tell us all exactly where and how Iran is killing Americans. Please cite some proof. There isn't one gram of hard proof that Iraninans have killed Americans in the past 10 years. The zionists attempt to pin attacks on Iran, but they are just unproven allegations.

Note: Al-Qaeda is an enemy of Iran, so please leave out al-Qaeda.

By the way, farideh, I served in the US Navy from 1958 until 1962 and I have never been to Iran. The closest I got was a Spanish port in the Mediteranean.

"I'd bet most of the nukes in Israel have "made in the USA" printed on them.."

They ALL do, Herron. But, shh... It's a big secret.

Indeed, Iran does not kill American directly, they just support Taliban and Shea groups in Iraq to do it for them.

And all based on imaginary WNDs

The nuke program was moved to Syria, and blown up by the Israelis.

Herron, you can stop with the BS about GWB's war! Curious, what would you have done as President after 911, the bombing of the twin towers earlier, marine barricks, USS Cole, and the list goes on and on. Oh yes, Iraq continue to fire on UN planes; financed terrorists camps, used WMD on their own people, and the list goes on and on. GWB committed to protecting and defending our country, so STFU about your stupid theories!!

GW Bush and Dick Cheney were in on 9/11. Do some research. 9/11 was an inside job. All the WTCs were rigged with nano thermite to fall in a controlled demoltion.

Boy John. you swallowed the whole list of propaganda. You must watch Fox News, day and night.

Can I get a link to "nano thermite" please, Ralph? I'd be interested to see how it could be made any smaller. >walks off chuckling<

Terrorist Ralph -

"Osama Bin Laden's son-ni-law Suleyman M. arrested in TUIRKEY where he had
entered under a fake Saudi Arabian passport. After 9/11 WTC attacks 2001 he
stayed in a camp in IRAN"

Here is your evidence that your terrorist Iran has been hiding anti American terrorists, including 9/11 terrorists, just like your friend Pakistan. Facts bother you, posting ahmadinejad propaganda does not.

Herron -

I agree 100% that we should not have gone into Iraq. Saddam kept the Iranian terrorists off our back and we destroyed him for that.

Oh wow, some guy says he stayed in a camp in Iran, where he had to use a fake passport to enter the country. However, if what he says is true, that he had to use a fake passport to enter Iran, I guess that shows he was not let in purposely by the government of Iran.

It appears you proved my point farideh. In a war of wits, you came unarmed.

All this time, I thought he was in Torabora, where the army says he was hiding.

So GW LIED to members of congress. We know that already!

Prior to GW, during the 1st gulf war, Iraq's stuff was DESTROYED, and then the weapons inspectors were put in place.

I did not see his name on the list...... and GB was not the pres in 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force,
our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's
weapons of mass destruction program."

--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

Here you're daddy tell us all about it, back in 1998

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENAV_UoIfgc

So hardcoffee, where do you think those people got the idea that there were WMD in Iraq? Do you think they all made it up simultaneously?

No, the answer is they got it from the neocons and the Mossad, that great intelligence agency that is always right. They got it through AIPAC. They got it all from the same sources today, that say Iran is racing to acquire nukes. Don't be an idiot.

Brom
told The Associated Press in an interview Thursday that "Israeli
intelligence was a full partner with the United States and Britain in
developing a false picture of Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction
capability."

He
said Israeli intelligence "badly overestimated the Iraqi threat to Israel
and reinforced the American and British belief that the weapons existed."

Brom
said the Israeli assessment may have been influenced by politics. "Israel
has no reason to regret the outcome of the war in Iraq," he wrote, noting
Saddam was an implacable enemy.

Brom
ended his 25-year military career in 1998. Career officers in Israel
traditionally maintain close ties with military colleagues after their
retirement.

Yossi
Sarid, an opposition member of parliament, demanded an inquiry. "If
political factors interfere with intelligence assessments, heaven help us. That
is the greatest danger," he told Israel Radio, adding that Israel's
credibility could suffer.

"When
we present dire information about Iran's arming itself with nuclear weapons,
who's going to take us seriously? They can say, 'You exaggerated about Iraq,
too,'" Sarid said.

Ralph -

Your post only proves one thing: That Israel is a democracy, and politicians or others speak their mind without the fear of being killed or their families disappear in the middle of the night - as you do to Iranian people.

No farideh, my post proves that the Mossad was giving our nation, America (your nation is Israel), false intelligence about WMD, which was a source of information to our politicians and the media, leading to the war in Iraq. AIPAC was in on it too, because most all of our Congressmen have an AIPAC member on their staffs.

Can you figure that out with your tiny little brain?

Shlomo Brom spoke his mind and gave me the evidence, which I posted for all Americans to see.

There is no shred of evidence in the post, a claim out of the blue based on nothing.

He does not even say that Israel provided something unique, all he says is they were "full partner", that certainly doesn't make them any more responsible than the other two, and that's assuming that your post is not a simple fabrication.

Than again, a fabrication that meaningless would be too pathetic even for your little brain.

Ralph is the plagiarist of newsvine. His fake quotes from Israeli leaders come from Ihatejew.com or the like, so he can not link them.

he can not link this article, because of what comes later.It destroys the "naritive" he is pushing.

Others argued Brom overstated the case.

What he did not want you to read.

Yuval Steinitz, chairman of the parliamentary Foreign
Affairs and Defense Committee, said there was a failure by all Western
intelligence agencies in assessing the Iraq threat, but "to say that Israel is
the prime mover in this is extremely farfetched."

Efraim Inbar, director of the Begin-Sadat research center at Bar-Illan University near Tel Aviv, rejected Brom's findings and accused him of trying to bolster Israeli doves who believe the country faces no credible external threats.

In other words, he is pushing a leftist delusion.

"Intelligence has to warn of the worst-case scenario," Inbar said. He also questioned Brom's conclusion that there are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. "They haven't found Saddam, either, but does that mean there was no Saddam Hussein?"

Stuart A. Cohen, a top American intelligence analyst, wrote last month that with all the evidence the U.S. government possessed, "no reasonable person could have ... reached any conclusions or alternative views that were profoundly different from those that we reached."

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-12-04-israeli-iraq-threat_x.htm

kbr - You zionists cannot stand the light of truth, can you? Of course Israelis are embarrassed by Brom's disclosures and try anything to discredit an honest man.

Once the words are spoken, they cannot be taken back.

"The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June
1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff,
which was born and developed after the war."

Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.

“I do not think Nasser wanted war.
The two divisions he sent to The Sinai would not have been sufficient to launch
an offensive war. He knew it and we knew it.” Yitzhak Rabin, Israel’s Chief
of Staff in 1967, in Le Monde, 2/28/68

best post yet....

Drago -

Did you enjoy your trip into LEO last week?

Seven; 12 jets can kill a whole bunch of American troops or civilians. Please connect your brain to your mouth and disconnect the current connection to the low part of your anatomy!!!

Ed, thanks for your comment. At the very least I am intelligent enough to let someone voice their opinion, (no matter how much I disagree with it), without attacking the messenger personally. This type of rhetoric is usually enacted when the person replying has nothing of importance to say about the actual comment, and thus reverts to insulting the original poster.

"With the gift of intelligence often comes the great epiphany that you may be completely wrong about your beliefs."

Seven - You are correct. Ed Poko is a sad excuse for a source for intelligence. In the scheme of things, 12 Jets is hardly better than nothing.

Wow, look at the next dumb comment #23. Hey Ed, Obama didn't supply the fighters. Go back to watching Fox and cleaning your gun.

interesting. i recently saw a vid of small iranian watercraft demonstrating an war game attack on a larger ship.

i will say this; ship aboard weapons on certain US Naval vessels could take that demonstration war game fleet of the iranians out with predudice. the reality of it is, not all US Naval vessels have these weapons.

point being; never under estimate your enemy.

I remember a few years ago Iran made a big deal about another "advanced" fighter jet that was allegedly homegrown. Turned out to be a updated version of the Northrop F-5 Freedom Fighter with canted twin rudders that made it look like a cross between an F-5 and an F-18. Iran only was only able to produce a mere less than half dozen and never went into series production. I heard somewhere that it had stability problems and that Iran could never quite perfect "fly by wire" technology. I will be surprised if this new fighter ever goes into production, if it even exists at all. If Iran manages to produce a picture of said aircraft, look in one corner of the tail section and you might see in small letters the words "Manufactured by ACME Corporation".

I'm surprised you're still close enough to the earth's surface to get wi-fi. Haven't all you types gone deep underground to Bunkerville by now?

Who do you really think is pushing these sales? The defense contractors. I don't see General Dynamics or Boeing screaming about the sale. They are doing everything they can to move it forward. Just like the legislators in their district.

second best post of the day...

great post

Shot him into space or just flat out shot him? Could be either/or.