none, were their lives worth more than the other thousands that have died fighting wars we cannot win?

This is going to happen again because Republicans failing to provide sufficient funds for our embassies, what were they thinking of when they faulted to ensure our diplomats safety !!!

The Republicans probably thought there was no need for any additional security funding. After all, President Obama's policies have completely reversed public opinion of the US in the Muslim world. Yep, they really love us now!

You're good old boy that got us into this mess is home mourning his dog, this is despicable - what about all the troops that died in his two wars !!!

I figure this is a good place to repost this news excerpt given to us in the NewsVine, from:

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Al in Visalia CA

Rep. Gary Ackerman (D-NY) unloaded, first sarcastically: "Let's just hang the guilty parties."

"The stench of hypocrisy that hangs over this city today emanates from this room," Ackerman said. "I've listened to my colleagues talk about the President of the United States and others in the administration using [the] terms 'deliberate', 'lies', 'unmitigated gall', 'malfeasance,' which is malicious and knowing evil-doing, 'disgust', 'coverups'."

He continued, "If you want to know who is responsible in this town, buy yourself a mirror!"

Ackerman went on to say that Republicans had "the audacity to come here" when the administration requested, for worldwide security, "$440 million more than you guys wanted to provide. And the answer is that you damn didn't provide it! You REDUCED what the administration asked for to protect these people. Ask not who the guilty party is, it's you! It is us. It is this committee, and the things that we insist that we need have to cost money."

He added, "Could you tell me which of my colleagues on this committee was as bodacious in their insistence that we provide more money for American security in the State Department budget. I would appreciate it."

Ackerman then asked them to raise their hands and gave them a count of five to do so. None did.

**************STANDING OVATION***************************

#1 - Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:37 AM PST

Obama is the POTUS now. He has been in office over four years. These ongoing terrorist attacks are happening on his watch. It is his job to prevent them and they continue to happen. The accountability lies with him and his administration.

Ackerman is my new hero!

It is his job to prevent them and they continue to happen. The accountability lies with him and his administration.

So idiot you think in a war we can kill and main as many of the oppositions leaders including the head guy and never be attacked? What a fool you and you ilk are. We are at war with these people and the very idea that we will never suffer a casuality is as dumb as gym shoes on a chicke hawk. You trolls can do better if you get better writers. Benghazi happened because our hands were tied by an emerging government who did not have the means to do their part in protecting an embassy. Wheneverthis happens (a riot) it is the responsibility of the nation to keep the grounds of foreign embassy or counsulates protected. The reason this happened was becus the shakey government ther could not or would not do so. All you childish whining about this only aids Al queada. Is the GOP hoping for funding for the next elction to come from them. Seems so since your whining only aids them!

What does OBAMA have to do with those left wingers in TURKEY? They have been around for many years!!!

The events are unfortunately tragic and simliar to Benghazi, we will likely never find out the truth of what happened. Maybe some nutcake made a movie that irked ohter people enough to commit this attack. That being said, this is Obama's watch.

Bread, whatever was going on in Benghazi, the Obama admin was not honest with the American people (again)

It is his job to prevent them and they continue to happen. The accountability lies with him and his administration.

If that's the case every president in my lifetime has been a failure with Bush the biggest for 9-11. Carter had the hostages, Clinton the Cole and Reagan 299 marines dead in Lebanon. There have also been embassy attacks under every president since Carter.

little red commie wanna be bitches...............bring it on, that guy in the pic looked like he would shoot himself before anybody else, hell, at least brandish something that will do some damage like an AK47 not some pu$$y skorpion machine pistol. losers.

These people are real d...heads. They kill other people for their own gratification, not for a cause. Calling America "the murderer of the world" is absolute bollocks, I'm glad this guy blew himself up but he should have gone somewhere on his own and done it so that he didnt kill an innocent who had nothing to do with his lunatic ravings. I'm British and have endured the IRA bombings of my homeland over my lifetime and they were the same, criminals who were in it for the money. This guy and many others are in it for their megalomania judging by the pic of him, what a f----g wimp he was, my 10 year old grandson has bigger arm than him. Up to me I'd smote heads and kill them all, waste of space the lot of them.

Trouble is, had this been a republican in office as President, this would have made the news. Now it doesn't trouble any democrats anymore. Can we be anymore complacent about the embassies? This really is the President's fault. This is where he should be putting in the spending and not on another welfare program. For you to blame the Republicans because they want to cut spending is a cop out. Maybe the President's priorities are out of order?

Another thing, tell the President to stop sending aid to these countries and put it towards our embassies instead.

Unhappy

Trouble is, had this been a republican in office as President, this would have made the news.

This is the news and you are reading it. Presumably.

Let's go Obama and deploy our nice toys to annihilate those bastards. What are you waiting for? Confirmation?, or somebody else making the call?

This unfortunate terrorist attack definitely is in the loss column for Obama....

They should be discharged from NATO because they have terrorists in their country? I guess the US should be discharged from NATO too, since we have had terrorist attacks carried out by homegrown nutbags.

! It was the Turkish FM not PM

2. It was a sarcastic dig against Assad. i.e. He has been killing fellow Syrians for 22 month but could throw a pebble at the Israeli Jets as they flew over his palace.

3. It was NOT a cal to attack Israel.

Some folks never passed reading comprehension I

Point us to a news story that says that other than faux news. Al googled it and only came up with a bunch of blogs and second hand info on it. His statement apparently was (if you believe the blogs which I do not) in retaliation for an alleged attack on Syria by Israel.

Prattle prattle prattle.

The real question is whether the Islamist Turk Govenment will be able to control the extremists in their country, or whether they are encouraging the extremism.

Their government had taken multiple acts to gut the military and avoid another military coup - as the military has had to step in every time an elected Islamist government tries to go fundamental and impose sharia law. Trying to keep the government secular is hard when the populace is told how to vote by their imams.

It may be approaching the time for another military coup.

Discharge Turkey from NATO? LOL. Turks can easily go and form an alliance with Russia, China, Iran and it won't make a difference to Turkey, but it will make a huge difference to the US and the NATO. Just look where they sit on the world map.

Alright Mensa candidate (look it up because I'm sure you don't know what Mensa is), tell me ONE thing that Obama has done to justify your absolutely stupid remark?

If you had half a brain (which obviously don't) you would know that Communist, Fascist, Marxist and Socialist are very different political philosophies. You may not know the difference between them, but you sure know a black man when you see one, right?

@Eli3k

Evidently, the DHKPC disagrees with you ...

Sarcasm is lost on these people.

Because we don't.

It is apparent Eli3k that you do not like Obama,and your remarks show that, so perhaps you and yours should drink pigs blood and take a break from the key board.

Mike, I really, really wish that you would make up your mind. The fascists killed communists. They are at opposite ends of the spectrum. If you don't understand terminology, don't use it. No one can be a communist, socialist, marxist, fascist. That's an oxymoron. Please read a few political science textbooks and figure out what the hell you're talking about.

Aren't fascist usually radical right wingers

Eli3k: If OBAMA are all of those bad things ,why did you vote for him?

If you had half a brain (which obviously don't) you would know that Communist, Fascist, Marxist and Socialist are very different political philosophies. You may not know the difference between them, but you sure know a black man when you see one, right

MiKe076: Why are democrats first to use Racist crap when they are losing an argument? It's obvious to anyone here that you are not a member of Mensa yourself.

Democrats are secret racists. Everyone knows that. That's why it always comes out in their speech even when it has nothing to do with the conversation.

Attack Turkey for what? Because they have a leftist terrorist group committing terrorist acts on their soil? Nobody asked to attack Oklahoma after Timothy McVeigh, or to attack the various midwest states for the crackpot militias operating within their borders. We need to wake up and realize why all these disparate terrorist groups (leftists, muslim, nationalists, etc) hate the US, it is because of our overly aggressive and self-centered foreign policy. Granted, some of it is just perception, and we do plenty of good around the world (that doesn't get the press), but we also stick our noses into sovereign nations that we have no business meddling in.

bow2me

Romney was correct about Mali in the debates And the Democrats tore into him for it.

Remember.

Yes anyone can get these same intelligence insights with a subscription service to Stratfor as Romney did. The French were already sending drones into the area during the Presidential debates so there was no secret as to what was going on. Mali is not Afghanistan or never will be. I do agree though that if Romney was President we would have boots on the ground in Mali and going door to door kicking Malinese butt.

He's Gone. Is that so hard to admit.

Goon2503

Attack Turkey for what? Because they have a leftist terrorist group committing terrorist acts on their soil? Nobody asked to attack Oklahoma after Timothy McVeigh,

Thank you!

Man aren't you people tired yet? I'm going to pretend you're being facetious Eli, I don't know how many times you've been deployed, if you've EVER been deployed, but the rest of us are tired and need a break. So everyone that wants to start attacking whoever strikes your fancy that day, please do the rest of them a favor and sign right up.

Obviously Eli was being facetious

Goone - "Attack Turkey for what? Because they have a leftist terrorist group committing terrorist acts on their soil?"

No, for attacking the US Embassy - a soverign country on their soil.

Um --- real american? You mean like the genius who, after we were attacked on 9/11, chose to attack Switzerland (I mean Iraq - neither had anything to do with the attack) in retaliation?

Romney as Pres....Yeah...and his far right radical, tea partiers, would have had us at war in Iran, Pakistan, and Syria by now, and tax cuts for the wealthy at the same time

The Tea party did bring us to the realization that we have a spending problem and are in a bit of debt. No one seemed to know that before they came on the scene.

Maybe you didn't know it morgan, but those that got their news from sources other then Fox knew it. We were aware of bush's unfunded tax cuts, his unfunded Medicare pharmacy plan and his unfunded wars, all of which added to the debt.

And thanks to Fox news, we are now aware of Obama's overspending and his negligence in the Benghazi incident..... liberals just can't stand that.

Here's the debate quote:

With the Arab Spring, came a great deal of hope that there would be a change towards more moderation, and opportunity for greater participation on the part of women in public life, and in economic life in the Middle East. But instead, we've seen in nation after nation, a number of disturbing events. Of course we see in Syria, 30,000 civilians having been killed by the military there. We see in -- in Libya, an attack apparently by, I think we know now, by terrorists of some kind against -- against our people there, four people dead.

Our hearts and -- and minds go out to them. Mali has been taken over, the northern part of Mali by Al Qaeda type individuals.

Romney knew this because of regular intelligence briefings he was receiving from the Obama Administration. This was not news he uncovered by himself. The evolving situation in Mali was well known in Washington D.C.

So, what has this to do with a leftist, suicide bombing in Turkey, Bow2me?

Nothing?

He was right.

Is that hard to say or admit?

He wasn't right about anything. There was Muslim violence in Mali and most of the middle east and north Africa before Romney ever thought of running for president. Predicting it would continue didn't take a Ouija board and doesn't mean he'd have responded any differently or better than Obama.

Wow.....you are coming down hard on the Republican Party. They can't all be that bad.

Bob10-6414726 (1.7):

Want to bet on that??????

Yeah, it's the Republicans fault for all the President's overspending, not to mention he just decided to let millions of illegal immigrants stay in the country when already people are out of work. How much is that going to matter when your taxes are raised to cover them too?

FEROBSON:

You are absolutly correct. I suggest it is mostly because America has been totally leaderless for the last 4 years, and the next 4 don't look too good either, unless and until Obama is impeached--- a possibility that seems more realistic with each passing day! Selecting fools and clowns to replace the rats that are jumping off the sinking Obama ship-of-state will do nothing to strengthen his position, and the blunders they are sure to make will only hasten Obama's demise! Oh well----

FERNDOC (8.1):

America was totally leaderless when GWB was president. Get your facts straight. Were you like Rip Van Winkle and asleep for 20 years (at least from 200-2008)? Time to wake up and drink some coffee. What a stupid statement you made.

How extreme are we when a center right president (Obama) is called left? Look at what Obama has and has not done - and then try to justify calling him a leftie:

- maintained Guantanamo Bay prison open

- increased the killing of Al Qaida leadership (5X times what Bush did)

- 10X the number of deportations of mexicans

- 5X the Border Patrol budget (Bush cut it)

- and the list can go on for a while.

It seems to me that Bush was the left wing president compared to Obama.

They claim to be a Marxist-Leninist group, not Muslim. I am really surprised that any Marxists still exist, outside of Cuba. Talk about a discredited, abandoned philosophy.

Marxism is an ideology, not a religion. They can be Marxist and Muslim, as they are in Turkey.

They can be Marxist and Muslim

says farideh. That would be a huge contradiction! That intolerant religion would make Marx and Lenin turn over in their graves. Islam would be the ultimate opium of the people! And the way they treat women as an underclass goes against anything a Marxist would believe.

Something is unreal here. It looks like a Bob Avakian wannabe.

Mailman, they are Muslims first and foremost. Muslims have allegiance to one thing, the Umma, not politics.

Roadkill

Gays would not be caught dead in such a ans-amble And what the hell do Gays have to do with these idiots stick to topic.

Chris - The term used to be "commie pinko fag", when referring to marxists.

Roadkill,

"Turkey goes out of their way to claim they have no Muslim extremists"

You, like so many others in America do not have any idea of the political nature of Turkey or any eastern society. The things we se in our politics are not relevant to them.

Their Far Right is Islamic Extremist, the True believers who only want the laws of the Koran...period.

Their far Left is Totally, real life communist that are born from the influences of the Soviet Union. The dynamics of the population is dominated in the most part from the spread of the Muslim population during and after the Ottoman Empire. The Turks migrated into an area so large that it would be difficult to explain. They were controlling territory from Russia, Eastern Europe, through Africa, and Persia, through Greece. If you look at the map and the history of these territories after WW1 where the Ottoman Empire was dissolved, the remaining populations remained in these territories.

In the picture of the bomber, notice the sickle and hammer flag. The Socialist are on the march in the world wherever they can find a foot hold. Between the Socialist, and the Muslims the world is in a large hurt. Forget about Fascism because they are too easy to recognize and thus easy to destroy. But Muslims use Religion to gain strength and Communism uses socio-ecomomic weakness to gain strength.

It makes me sick to my stomach to read these post where the Democrats or the Republicans are blamed for such actions. These people in the East and Middle East are raised on the blood shed of others. Our children are punished for a playground skuffle and the children raised in these places might kill their first human before the age of 10. Life has no value, there is only the cause they believe in.

I recently read a book on modern Turkey where the authors commented that their guide boasted that he was employed by the government as a Torturer/Interrogator. The comment was to show that the guide considered the job as normal as if he were assigned to answer the phone. It was his job and to have a job was enough.

All you have to do is to ask yourself why someone would do these things, and then research, or ask someone well read for an opinion in order to get enough information to satisfy your question.

Turkey has had such a difficult time trying to develop democracy because of the two powerful extremes in their politics. Democrats and Republicans? They are like "Soda Pop Kids" compared to these extremes of Communism and Radical Muslims. You can apply this model to all the Countries in the Middle East as well because they have the same Radicals vying for power. The poor people caught in the middle are the victims. Syria is a good Example since its government was supported by china and Russia prior to the revolution. Who are the Revolutionaries? They are an assorted group, but you can rest assured the Brotherhood are there and will jump into the driver's seat as soon as the Communist are out.

Lazarus

If you really believe that, I feel very sorry for you. I would hate to go through life with that kind of blind anger.

Well said DeeTen, and so very true!

and Dee Ten, the Christian Right is oftentimes neither

speaking of lying...did you know that Fox News can't broadcast in Canada because they don't meet their Truth in Broadcasting laws?

Wow! People's Park, too bad he died in the explotion, now you will never be able to go lick this terrorist's a$$ like you really wanted to. You really love the Middle East don't you? Why don't you just give up your citizenship and move over there and dig you own s%#*ter since you like them so much. Where do you Moron's come from?

Peoples Park said,

One side's terrorist is the other side's "freedom fighter"

Then it would make a difference what this guy stood for. So is he a Marxist-Leninist or a Muslim? If he is a Marxist, then the priority would be to fight against capitalism, which is everywhere not just the U.S. What about the capitalists in his own country? Should he not be concerned first with those as opposed to a foreign country? Another thing, is he identifying with or fighting along side Muslims? If so, that is inappropriate for a Marxist Leninist, as that religion is reactionary and oppressive.

I remember back when 9-11 happened. I was pretty Marxist myself and more-so then. On one hand, I was no lover of the Trade Towers, that bastion of capitalist exploitation. Should I have been sad to see that thing blow up? But then, the details of the motives of the terrorist hijackers came out. They did not attack that target because it was capitalist, they attacked it because it was The United States, as in the national entity. Mohammed Attah had some long rambling note about how infidel we were and big sinners because we did not believe in his religion. We were not funde enough in his way of thinking. This was a group of religious nuts. Hey, that makes a big difference! So I certainly hope the Marxists over there have not hooked up with these reactionary religious whackos. There is no common ground with a religion that oppresses women and has people groveling before some vindictive deity. A Marxist would see a religious dominated society as oppressive, exploitative, and putting forth a nonsensical myth as fact. A Marxist-Leninist would want to do away with such a religion and liberate everyone from it. A Marxist Leninist would consider that religion more the enemy than a country over the sea like the U.S.

Perhaps because it wasn't a suicide bombing on the perimeter of an embassy?

I agree with you jock59801. It's precisely why they weren't sure about the Benghazi attack . No one took credit right away, and it was done in a different way than the organized terrorists do things. This attack was a much more open, for publicity, atttack. Yes, it wasn't a suicide bomber in Benghazi.

I'm sure a fairer distribution of wealth and power would reduce the general rates of terrorism, but when it comes to people who have already decided to become terrorists there really isn't anything we can do besides squash them.

92% of americans are Socialists and they just don't know it!

Hey Blow me, Mittens lost, get over it. You will have your chance again to vote for your favorite loser in four years. Maybe you would prefere that gun toting scumbag from Texas as you President. I'ts up to you in four years. Meanwhiles, live with it jackass.

The Chuckster:

Man, what a post! You manage to get in profanity, name-calling, and fulminating hatred in just 48 words! Not bad for a 14 year old psycho living in a chicken coop.

Jock, I've noticed most people who believe in distribution of wealth are usually lounging about in the daytime rather than working. Why is that? It was so before all the jobs left america. Its even more so now. There was wealth to be had, it just took effort.

That was a very convoluted way to work in an irrelevant political attack.

Oh, it's very relevant. There's a bunch of Tealiban here right now.

They all have their dead ayatollah Saint Ronnie Ray Gun that they practically worship like the rest of the reactionary far end of the extreme right.

Since Spacer the Liberal has a short memory it was the Liberal OWS crowd that wanted to bomb bridges, get your fantasy storys straight

Spacer's mind (such as it was) has been ruined by hatred of America and blind faith and worship of our failed president, Barry Obama. Pity him

"failed president" is a rather funny term to use on the guy that just got reelected while your "failed candidate" got his butt kicked. The majority of Americans actually support the President's foreign policy, a fact you conveniently overlook.

Failure is declaring war against a sovereign country while claiming they have weapons of mass destruction (they didn't) and terrorist training camps (weren't there) and represent a threat to the region. They had already been defanged and represented a controlling element against Iran. Now that we have rendered the Iraquis impotent, Iran is free to dominate the region and threaten anyone it chooses to threaten. Good move. We destabilized a balance of power that kept Iran in check. We attacked the wrong freaking country! All so the Shrub could play Rambo.

First rule about ambushes is never to get ambushed in the first place silly :P

Ya, but shi# happens.

Hey elaine,

Benghazi had funding so do not give me this BS the GOP stripped funding. The government funding is baseline funding so when any politician says their funding has been cut it was cut from a projected budget.

Regardless, Mr Carney, Ms Clinton, and the President are now saying after the election that any bombing on an embassy is "an act of terror, a terrorist attack." Where was that definition on September 12, 2012? This could of been a result of a video.

Get real!

Bob, your Lord and Savior, Mittens, lost the election. Get over it please. You can vote for another deadbeat in four years. Hillary is gone and you are barking up the wrong tree now.

Hey The Chuckster,

Typical liberal have no new ideas or thoughts so you resort to name calling and snide remarks.

You are right, "what difference does it make"?

If you're going to dish it out Bob, you should be able to take it.

Why even give argument to the GOP cut all the funding for security. Hillsarewe was in charge, Hillsarewe had the necessary information to make requests needed to provide safety, If someone was providing not enough funding then Hillsarewe definately had a mouthpiece to call them on the carpet to provide needed funding. Do you honestly think that the GOP would have said "no, we aint providing the funding you went public in requesting and if people get murdered under your watch because of it, we'll just feel bad"? No. There are tons of parts of the State Department budget, all are appointed after requests by the SOS. Hillsarwe wanted a nicer plane, and more staff around her, and more administrators... so SHE hacked and undercut the security budget. Get it right people, and use some common sense. That is why the Dems are not pushing this point, and deflecting to the "who cares now, they are all dead" approach as they always do.

i'm a liberal AND have guns!

Unemployment has actually gone back UP (now at 7.9%), we have close to the very lowest labor participation rate in the workforce we've had in thirty years, we have more people on welfare and food stamps than ever before, our long term debt is outpacing our deplorably stagnant GDP as Obama added more debt in three years than Bush did in eight and you think our economy is doing great just because the stock market is doing well and because investors taking advantage of cheap house prices are causing a slight uptick in home values?

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/cnbc/50633292#50633292

Even the msnbc Obama-worshippers are saying the real estate market isn't doing that great because it's not built on the foundation of the first-time buyers necessary for a good market because of all the people sitting on the sidelines...and why are they all sitting on the sidelines? Yup, even they admit it, it's because the unemployment and the economy still sucks.

It's amazing how so many people can see an utterly failed economy for four years and convince themselves how wonderful it is.

Jax. It must suck to live in your spot of the world. Everything that I said is true where I live. Housing prices are through the roof and sellers are getting multiple offers! Every lot that has been vacate for YEARS is being excavated and new homes or condos are being built and this is throughout the city. I live in California and as the saying goes....as goes California so goes the rest of the country. The freeways are once again packed with commuters who are obviously working. Tech and Bio jobs cannot be filled because we do not have enough qualified candidates - mainly engineers, to fill them. Oh, and before you go there, Gov.Brown has balanced the California budget for the first time in who knows how long and the state will soon have a surplus and this was done with a Super Democrat Majority controlled state government.

Coopster, your weak anecdotal experience doesn't apply to the rest of the country, no matter how hard you try.

STEM jobs (science, tech, engineering, math) have gone unfilled for years now throughout our country. I should know, the company I'm at still can't find a good DBA after more than a year of searching, and offering a nice six digit salary. We just don't have the qualified people to fill these types of positions, even in this horrible economy...but that doesn't change the FACT that unemployment remains stagnatingly high and in fact, just went back up to 7.9%.

Just because you live in an area that's seeing housing starts, doesn't mean it's holding true everywhere else. There has been an uptick, but it's not nearly enough to be in a normal, let alone good, housing inventory balance/price appreciation market. You obviously want to ignore the video I linked to where the msnbc Obama worshippers are saying the foundation of the housing market still isn't strengthened enough by first-time buyers and that they're sitting on the sidelines because the economy sucks....you know...throughout the country as a whole, not just your little happy place in CA.

You can brag about CA all you want, but with four cities filing for bankruptcy and unemployment around 10% (third highest in the nation, bravo!) and a projected deficit of $1.9 billion this year (even as part of all the fluffed up numbers the libs keep promoting there) it sounds like you're happy to see success in all the failure surrounding you in your state....no wonder you think this failure of an Obama economy is so great, CA is the epitome of liberal failure drowning in red ink.

JAK. This is why we need Obama's Immigration reform which includes a green card visa provision. Americans are simply not interested in Math and Science which is part of the reason our economy is stagnant. I think this is the real economy with unemployment hovering around 8% for the unforseeable future. The Republicans asked for a smaller government and guess what? Obama is delivering and that is also part of the unemployment numbers and its only going to get higher when we finally cut big chunks of waste in the Defense department. If Haliburton has to lay off more employees, who cares? They have been at the government teet far too long.

The other reason unemployment has gone up is we no longer manufacture anything. This has been going on for the last 25 years or more. The folks with these blue collar jobs are the folks who are not getting jobs because they no longer have the skills necessary for the 21st Century. And you ask why more and more people are on food stamps? The Republicans do not want a middle class and slowly but surely you and your ilk will get it but please, don't bitch about blue collar workers looking for a handout. Careful what you ask for..

Coopster (#22):

Your last line there--one (actually millions) can only hope!!!!!!!

I agree with you 100%

Your 22.4 comment is absolutely right, also!!!

Coopster, you have a hard time staying on topics you introduce, huh? YOU were bragging about how great the economy is, and when I pointed out to you that it actually isn't, you changed the topic to "oh yeah, well where I live in CA it's doing great, and CA is doing great, and there are lots of tech jobs available!"

When I pointed out how lots of tech jobs have always been available, in good times and in bad, and how CA's economy actually sucks with its higher than national unemployment rate and cities going bankrupt, you now change the discussion on how Obama has to let more illegals into the country to fill high tech jobs and how we don't manufacture anything any more. Then you say "oh we have more people on food stamps and welfare because the repubs don't want a middle class"...without making any correlation between the two. Welfare and food stamps AREN'T middle class and NO party should want lots of people on welfare and food stamps like Obama does...a large economy dependent on those benefits means the economy is doing something wrong...as our swelling number of recipients shows. Where did I even mention any "blue collar people looking for a handout?"

I'm sure instead of answering my statements regarding these new unrelated points that you yourself introduce, you'll now bring something else into the discussion, but watching liberal whiners (redundant, I know) flee from topics they can't defend is a favorite past time of mine...so please, change the subjects again...

JAK. While I sympathize with you that you lost your job, it has no effect on me. California is booming and we still are the 9th (ninth) largest economy in the world. You Republicans love to worry about California, all I am saying is you don't have to. We are doing just fine.

Where did I say that we need to let illegals in to our country? You have low comprehension skills or perhaps you cannot read. Go back and read what I said about working visa's (which requires an application - a LEGAL document) produced by US Immigration.

Yes, 8% unemployment is nothing to write home about but it effects the very people that most Republicans could care less about, you know, the 47% (middle class). So, when a Republican rants and raves about high unemployment numbers I laugh it off because it is not out of concern but more faux rage + it is exactly what your party has asked for. What is really sad is 90% of your party does not realize that Republican policies hurt them directly because Rush Limbaugh and Fox News have told those that listen to them that it is all the Democrats and especially "the black Presidents" fault. Lemmings.

Coopster, more subject-changing...what a surprise! Where, genius, did you glean from any of my posts that I lost my job? I'm doing very well in IT here but thanks for looking like a total idiot with your assumptions. And I don't care about CA at all, you can have it, I was just explaining to you that your economy, with its third highest unemployment rate of the country and cities going bankrupt is the type of failure you liberals love because, like usual, you can't seem to keep track of topics YOU bring up...get it, yet? YOU brought up CA and how "great" it's doing, not me. Let me know if you're still lost.

I love it..."ranting and raving about unemployment." Yeah, it really is a tiny and insignificant statistic, huh? And the democrats are sooooooo much the party of the common man, since you're changing the subject...yet again, that 7 of the 10 richest members of congress are democrats.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/08/21/news/economy/richest-congress-members/index.html

And yet another shocker...the "faux news" and "Rush" retorts and the "black president" tantrum...the screams of all liberals who can't substantiate any of their talking points and need to deflect from our failing economy and the "leader" who's been "presiding" over it the last four years. Because, obviously, when a republican talks about unemployment, it's "faux rage" but when democrats talk about it, they're taking it seriously....which is why it's never been below 7.8% since Obama's been president. Good thing he's taking it seriously!!

The republicans are now a party of angry and old white men. The token hispanics and african americans just not going to do it. The tea party extremists have shot their load so to speak. They have alienated (PO'd) just about every voting bloc in the country.

You think its bad now? Wait till the elections in two years. Talk about screwing yourself!

BTW, John McCain used to be a friend of Chuck Hagel. Just glad this angry old man ain't my friend. LOL.

When you pay for your food it's capitalism, The Liberals being on food stamps is socialism get your facts straight

$113,000,000,000.00--Cost of illegal immigration--2012

1,400,000--the number of illegal Mexican households drawing benefits--food stamps--medicaid--the list goes on nd on

Alan Fischer, illegals are not allowed to get food stamps or medicaid or anything on your list that goes on and on. Where I live, whites are the majority in the mediums and corners asking for money to drink and a hand out so your comment is all bull@!$%# in my part of the woods.. Go figure! I do admire your hate for Mexicans however. Not!

Viknat, when the tax payer provides farm subsidies that's SOCIALISM. When farm produce is trucked down tax payer built roads that's SOCIALISM. There're other SOCIALIST programs like the USDA and the ICC that affect food producers.

I suggest you get your facts straight.