The more powerful bunker busters would be ineffective - the facilities are buried too far.

I say go for it. As long as no more American troops are committed to that region to fight in any capability whatsoever, then so be it.

We have our own problems. We should take care of the chickens in our coop before we think it's a necessity to take care of others'.

FedupwithFed - Evybody, everywhere and always believe GOd is on THEIR side. I read the other day Wars begin with the ringing of bellls which sooon degenerates into wringing of hands.

Independant thinker, you do not need to set oil fields on fire and contaminate the planet. Iran has NO, as in ZERO refining capapbilities, all their oil products are imported, so just close their ports.

BHO will not give Israel the more powerful bunker bombs needed to increase the chances of getting to these underground enrichment facilities

Well, the Iran will have the nukes, pass them to your beloved friend Chavez and he will point them towards USA. Cuban missile crisis deja vu...

Israel has never purchased anything from the United States using our military specifications. When they buy military hardware they expect it to actually work. Nothing has ever been shipped to Israel that was not improved before they would buy it.

BHO should give them nothing. Every American that dies in the "in what will surely follow" will have died because of Israel. All you parents who have love ones in Iraq (military base or the Green Zone), get the black dress cleaned and pressed.

to all war mongers... . you people "I mean all war mongers"are very naive here to advocate war. and have no factual knowledhe of iran and war with iran. most israelis actually believe that iran is not an existentian threat to israel. you all letting the main stream media brain wash you into another war. but the fact is that Israel can't attack Iran and that is the reason for the huff and puff. If they were able to do it, they wouldv'e done it quietly just like they did to iraq and syria. also the west and u.s know that war with iran is not easy and could start IIIww. thays why they are negotiating. If they thought that they could win it easily they wouldv'e done it long ago. If you guys had the slightest knowledge about geography and strategic location of iran, you would know that iran would not be a cake walk. a report estimated that a war with iran would cost $1.8 trillion for the first two wks. with many thousends death from both sides. the only solution is meaningful negotiation and the party at fault here is the republican hawks mainly john maacain, lindsey graham, and joe lieberman" the three stooges" who only follow israelis interest and not americans. god bless all people. down with war profiteers.

Ranman (#2.3): See my comment above (#1.42)

frank. iran dose poses oil refinaries.

I suggest Israelis to have patience and let the Shiites and Sunnis battle on whose Allah is greater in Syria.

Remove sanctions on Iranian oil to crash oil prices and to weaken enemy No. 1 for all of us including Israel: oil rich Sunni rulers of House of Saud, Qatar (gave $400 million to Hamas), Kuwait, UAE and other Sunni Arab League nations.

Meanwhile clean up Hamas from Gaza and bomb Hezbollah in Lebanon.

Israel is picking wrong enemies with lopsided priorities.

WHO IS THE THREAT TO WORLD PEACE? CHRISTIANS, JEWS, OR
MUSLIMS!

Since the 1979 Iranian revolution and the downfall of
the US Puppet Ruler the Shah, Iran has been an Islamic state. In that interval
of time, 1979 to the present, Iran has not invaded anyone. Not once. People of
all religions live in peace in Iran, even Jews, who find life so comfortable in
Iran they refused an offer by the government of Israel to emigrate!

In the same period of time, Israel, a self-declared Jewish state, attacked
Iraq in 1981, bombing the power station at Osirik, claiming it was a clandestine
weapons factory. Subsequent examination of the ruins following the 2003 invasion
proved Israel had lied. In 1982, Israel invaded Lebanon. This led to the
Massacres at Sabra and Shatilla. In February 2003 Israel staged incursions into
Gaza and Nablus. In September 2007 Israel bombed Syria, again insisting they
were destroying a clandestine weapons laboratory. Again there was no evidence to
support Israel's claims. In 2006, Israel attacked Lebanon, killing 1200, mostly
civilians, several UN observers, and littering the landscape with land mines on
their way out. In February 2008 Israel again raided Gaza, killing over 100.
HAMAS agreed to a cease fire and kept it for 6 months until November 4, when
Israel again attacked without warning, killing 6 HAMAS members, and launching
operation CAST LEAD. 1300 Gazans, mostly civilians, were killed. Israel lost 13
soldiers. Violations of international law included the use of White Phosphorus
incendiary bombs against civilians and non-military targets. The United Nations
investigated, but Israel refused to cooperate. In May 2010, Israel attacked an
international aid flotilla bringing food and medical supplies to Gaza in
international waters. 9 people were murdered including an American from New
York.

In the same period of time, the United States, officially a secular nation
but predominantly Christian, attacked El Salvador (1980), Libya (1981), Sinai
(1982), Lebanon (1982 1983), Egypt (1983), Grenada (1983), Honduras (1983), Chad
(1983), Persian Gulf (1984), Libya (1986) , Bolivia (1986), Iran (1987), Persian
Gulf (1987), Kuwait (1987), Iran (1988), Honduras (1988), Panama (1988), Libya
(1989), Panama (1989), Colombia, Bolivia, and Peru (1989), Philippines (1989),
Panama (1989-1990), Liberia (1990), Saudi Arabia (1990), Iraq (1991), Zaire
(1991), Sierra Leone (1992), Somalia (1992), Bosnia-Herzegovina (1993 to
present), Macedonia (1993), Haiti (1994), Macedonia (1994), Bosnia (1995),
Liberia (1996), Central African Republic (1996), Albania (1997), Congo/Gabon
(1997), Sierra Leon (1997), Cambodia (1997), Iraq (1998), Guinea/Bissau (1998),
Kenya/Tanzania (1998 to 1999), Afghanistan/Sudan (1998), Liberia (1998), East
Timor (1999), Serbia (1999), Sierra Leon (2000), Yemen (2000), East Timor
(2000), Afghanistan (2001 to present), Yemen (2002), Philippines (2002) , Cote
d'Ivoire (2002), Iraq (2003 to present), Liberia (2003), Georgia/Djibouti
(2003), Haiti (2004), Georgia/Djibouti/Kenya/Ethiopia/Yemen/Eritrea War on
Terror (2004), Pakistan drone attacks (2004 to present), Somalia (2007), South
Ossetia/Georgia (2008), Syria (2008), Yemen (2009), Haiti (2010), etc. etc. etc.
etc.

So, who is the danger to world peace?

Iran and North Korea of course.

To: Brian 709891"

Amen bro....

The United States learned as much from WTC-1991 (because of its financing of Jewish terrorim) as the Jews learned from the Holocaust- NOTHING! Considering that AmeriKKKa seems to be Israel's '1st line of 'offense' It should be said: "Hey AmeriKKKa, time to cut these puppies loose and if they want to put their IDF 'baby (and their mothers and fathers) killers in harms way good luck!). Hey Kerry's AmeriKKKa will send you all the Dow Corning 'odorless' zippered body bags you want - COD, of course. One of these dayze the Jews are going to decide they have the 'huevos' to attack Iran on their own and when those al-Shahab III IRBM's with their Sarin/Anthrax and white phosphorus warheads leave Tel Aviv and Haifa shrouded in clouds of deadly chemical munitions, leaving 10's of thousands of dead Jews, Messr Natayahu will realize that 'even a mouse will fight' given enough intimidation. The UNITED SNAKES (US/Israel/NATO) are finally being seen for what they are: A group of desperate 'over-the-hill' bankrupt Oil/Gas thieves acting like the 'regurgitated' colonists they appear to want to be - again!

If there's someone that have showed these low life UNITED SNAKE bastards 'the consequences of imperialist thuggery and it's downside; it's the Taliban that have kicked the pale white asses of the US/British/Belgian, et. al., bullies' until their noses are bleeding constantly - and they're suing for peace as they LQQK for the emergency exit door to get the hell away from that Afghan hornets nest - Good luck!

Libya was the most financially successful country in Africa. Gaddafi built factories, roads, clinics, hospitals - throughout Africa and sent up the 1st African satellite to create a continental communications system to get the EU countries satellite 'predators' off the Africans backs and stop the rape of these poor nations. He gave 'every' Libyan $500.00 (right into their bank accounts each year as their share of Libya's oil wealth - Can you see Exxon-Mobile and Phillips Petroleum doing this?!), he gave 'every' farmer tractors, fertilizer and seed; he guranteed every Libyan his own privately owned home; He built the engineering marval (the Underground River that was turning the deserts of Libya - Green! [The NATO bastards bombed this marvel without any military need to do so - One supposes to 'make work' for the US/NATO construction companies so as to (((suck))) billions out of the Libyan economy in its repair]. If you had a dread disease he would send you to the ends of this earth to seek medical help. But the UNITED SNAKES demonized him (He's killing his own people, remember? - In Syria it's the same lies and half-truths) - All blatant lies!

In Bengazi the US Consulate (correction) CIA base was attacked as the UNITED SNAKES planned the covert introduction of heavy weapons and missiles to their 'rebel's' in their war to over-throw Assad and help make the Middle East safer for Jewish terrorism and US imperialiasm, but unfortunatly the Russians and Chinese (With their UN vetos and having learned about the UNITED SNAKES lying liar ways in their Libyan 'caper') have given the low life US/NATO thugs a 'stiff middle finger,' to the chagrin of the oil/gas thieven deadbeats. Yassar folks, it's 'that kind of a world. "We have met the terrorists and they are US!"

Kerry and Hagel will turn things around in the Middle East. They will warn the parasite Jews of the 'Unintended consequences of bombing Iran,' (and refuse air refueling and MOAB {Mother of all bombs} bunker buster bombes (The Jewish barbarians often use on Palestinian villages and water/sewage plants - just to be the bastards the world knows they are and to make more misery for their Palestinian 'whipping boys.'

To be continued if the Jewish powers on this site don't 'cut me off' - again!

Brian,

Are you a little daft, or is it just that you lack the ability to read all the facts. Israel attacked for no reason? Are you forgetting the missiles and mortar fired at them for a prolonged period of time before they attacked, or does that not count. It is the imbeciles like you that make the world think Americans are stupid, you do not look at all the facts, just what is convenient to you and then you post a statement that has no foundation on facts. Get a education and learn how to read, then post.

if israel attacks iran, i pray they do it alone. let their blood be spilled. not americans. they already use our money and weapons that they stole from us. i can promise that their are a lot of americans like myself who say enough. you stole their land. don't allow them to have there own nation because that would stop israel from stealing more land from them. i only hope we don't get involved, even if the arab countries destroy them.

Tbenton,

You wouldn't know a fact if it bit you in the ass!

Brian -

It is you who does not use facts to base your assertions. You totally ignore the fact that Hamas and Hezbolah are funded and armed by Iran and that Hamas and Hezbollah send rockets into Israel day and night to the point that Israelis near the borders maintain bomb shelters to protect their children.

But don't let 'facts' get in your way. You wouldn't be a gool Obama camp follower if you did.

Why don't you move to someplace you'd feel more comfortable if you think that the US and Israel are the 'warmongers' and the danger you assert that we are. Maybe you'd feel more comfortable in Iran? After all, in your world view, they seem to be the peaceful ones.

But then, you wouldn't be able to spew your hatred, would you?

Excuse me Tammy but you don't know jack....

Israel and the U.S. CREATED Hamas, Hezbollah and Al Qaeda
Posted on November 18, 2012 by WashingtonsBlog

Creating the Enemies We Now Fight Against

We’ve extensively documented that the U.S. and Israel created Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups in an attempt to fight other enemies.

Larry Johnson – a counterterrorism official at the U.S. State Department – says:

The Israelis are their own worst enemies when it comes to fighting terrorism. They are like a guy who sets fire to his hair and then tries to put it out by hitting it with a hammer. They do more to incite and sustain terrorism than curb it.

As one example, Israel helped create Hamas.

Veteran journalist Robert Dreyfuss writes:

In the decades before 9/11, hard-core activists and organizations among Muslim fundamentalists on the far right were often viewed as allies for two reasons, because they were seen a fierce anti-communists and because the opposed secular nationalists such as Egypt’s Gamal Abdel Nasser, Iran’s Mohammed Mossadegh.

***

In Syria, the United States, Israel, and Jordan supported the Muslim Brotherhood in a civil war against Syria. And … Israel quietly backed Ahmed Yassin and the Muslim Brotherhood in the West Bank and Gaza, leading to the establishment of Hamas.

See this and this:

According to former U.S. Ambassador to Saudi Arabia Charles Freeman, Shin Bet—the Israeli counter-intelligence and internal security service— knowingly created Hamas:

Israel started Hamas. It was a project of Shin Bet, which had a feeling that they could use it to hem in the PLO.

Anti War reported in 2006:

Amid all the howls of pain and gnashing of teeth over the triumph of Hamas in the Palestinian elections, one fact remains relatively obscure, albeit highly relevant: Israel did much to launch Hamas as an effective force in the occupied territories. If ever there was a clear case of “blowback,” then this is it. As Richard Sale pointed out in a piece for UPI:

“Israel and Hamas may currently be locked in deadly combat, but, according to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials, beginning in the late 1970s, Tel Aviv gave direct and indirect financial aid to Hamas over a period of years. Israel ‘aided Hamas directly – the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization),’ said Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic [and International] Studies. Israel’s support for Hamas ‘was a direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative,’ said a former senior CIA official.”

Middle East analyst Ray Hanania concurs:

“In addition to hoping to turn the Palestinian masses away from Arafat and the PLO, the Likud leadership believed they could achieve a workable alliance with Islamic, anti-Arafat forces that would also extend Israel’s control over the occupied territories.”

In a conscious effort to undermine the Palestine Liberation Organization and the leadership of Yasser Arafat, in 1978 the government of then-Prime Minister Menachem Begin approved the application of Sheik Ahmad Yassin to start a “humanitarian” organization known as the Islamic Association, or Mujama. The roots of this Islamist group were in the fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood, and this was the seed that eventually grew into Hamas – but not before it was amply fertilized and nurtured with Israeli funding and political support.

Begin and his successor, Yitzhak Shamir, launched an effort to undercut the PLO, creating the so-called Village Leagues, composed of local councils of handpicked Palestinians who were willing to collaborate with Israel – and, in return, were put on the Israeli payroll. Sheik Yassin and his followers soon became a force within the Village Leagues. This tactical alliance between Yassin and the Israelis was based on a shared antipathy to the militantly secular and leftist PLO: the Israelis allowed Yassin’s group to publish a newspaper and set up an extensive network of charitable organizations, which collected funds not only from the Israelis but also from Arab states opposed to Arafat.

Ami Isseroff, writing on MideastWeb, shows how the Israelis deliberately promoted the Islamists of the future Hamas by helping them turn the Islamic University of Gaza into a base from which the group recruited activists – and the suicide bombers of tomorrow. As the only higher-education facility in the Gaza strip, and the only such institution open to Palestinians since Anwar Sadat closed Egyptian colleges to them, IUG contained within its grounds the seeds of the future Palestinian state. When a conflict arose over religious issues, however, the Israeli authorities sided with the Islamists against the secularists of the Fatah-PLO mainstream. As Isseroff relates, the Islamists

***

Tacit complicity from both university and Israeli authorities allowed Mujama to keep a weapons cache to use against secularists.

***

Again, the motive was to offset Arafat’s influence and divide the Palestinians. In the short term, this may have worked to some extent; in the longer term, however, it backfired badly – as demonstrated by the results of the recent Palestinian election.

***

Israel’s relentless offensive against its perceived enemies – first Fatah, now Hamas and Islamic Jihad – has created a backlashand solidified support for fundamentalist extremist factions in the Palestinian community.

***

There is a lesson in there, somewhere, though it isn’t one the Israelis or their American sponsors seem capable of learning just yet.

The Wall Street Journal noted in 2009:

“Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation,” says [Israeli official Avner Cohen], a Tunisian-born Jew who worked in Gaza for more than two decades. Responsible for religious affairs in the region until 1994, Mr. Cohen watched the Islamist movement take shape, muscle aside secular Palestinian rivals and then morph into what is today Hamas, a militant group that is sworn to Israel’s destruction.

Instead of trying to curb Gaza’s Islamists from the outset, says Mr. Cohen, Israel for years tolerated and, in some cases, encouraged them as a counterweight to the secular nationalists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and its dominant faction, Yasser Arafat’s Fatah. Israel cooperated with a crippled, half-blind cleric named Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, even as he was laying the foundations for what would become Hamas. Sheikh Yassin continues to inspire militants today; during the recent war in Gaza, Hamas fighters confronted Israeli troops with “Yassins,” primitive rocket-propelled grenades named in honor of the cleric.

***

When Israel first encountered Islamists in Gaza in the 1970s and ’80s, they seemed focused on studying the Quran, not on confrontation with Israel. The Israeli government officially recognized a precursor to Hamas called Mujama Al-Islamiya, registering the group as a charity. It allowed Mujama members to set up an Islamic university and build mosques, clubs and schools. Crucially, Israel often stood aside when the Islamists and their secular left-wing Palestinian rivals battled, sometimes violently, for influence in both Gaza and the West Bank.

***

“When I look back at the chain of events I think we made a mistake,” says David Hacham, who worked in Gaza in the late 1980s and early ’90s as an Arab-affairs expert in the Israeli military. “But at the time nobody thought about the possible results.”

Israeli officials who served in Gaza disagree on how much their own actions may have contributed to the rise of Hamas. They blame the group’s recent ascent on outsiders, primarily Iran. This view is shared by the Israeli government. “Hamas in Gaza was built by Iran as a foundation for power, and is backed through funding, through training and through the provision of advanced weapons,” Mr. Olmert said last Saturday. Hamas has denied receiving military assistance from Iran.

Arieh Spitzen, the former head of the Israeli military’s Department of Palestinian Affairs, says that even if Israel had tried to stop the Islamists sooner, he doubts it could have done much to curb political Islam, a movement that was spreading across the Muslim world. He says attempts to stop it are akin to trying to change the internal rhythms of nature: “It is like saying: ‘I will kill all the mosquitoes.’ But then you get even worse insects that will kill you…You break the balance. You kill Hamas you might get al Qaeda.”

When it became clear in the early 1990s that Gaza’s Islamists had mutated from a religious group into a fighting force aimed at Israel — particularly after they turned to suicide bombings in 1994 — Israel cracked down with ferocious force. But each military assault only increased Hamas’s appeal to ordinary Palestinians. The group ultimately trounced secular rivals, notably Fatah, in a 2006 election supported by Israel’s main ally, the U.S.

***

In Gaza, Israel hunted down members of Fatah and other secular PLO factions, but it dropped harsh restrictions imposed on Islamic activists by the territory’s previous Egyptian rulers.

***

The Muslim Brotherhood, led in Gaza by Sheikh Yassin, was free to spread its message openly. In addition to launching various charity projects, Sheikh Yassin collected money to reprint the writings of Sayyid Qutb, an Egyptian member of the Brotherhood who, before his execution by President Nasser, advocated global jihad. He is now seen as one of the founding ideologues of militant political Islam.

Mr. Cohen, who worked at the time for the Israeli government’s religious affairs department in Gaza, says he began to hear disturbing reports in the mid-1970s about Sheikh Yassin from traditional Islamic clerics. He says they warned that the sheikh had no formal Islamic training and was ultimately more interested in politics than faith. “They said, ‘Keep away from Yassin. He is a big danger,’” recalls Mr. Cohen.

Instead, Israel’s military-led administration in Gaza looked favorably on the paraplegic cleric, who set up a wide network of schools, clinics, a library and kindergartens. Sheikh Yassin formed the Islamist group Mujama al-Islamiya, which was officially recognized by Israel as a charity and then, in 1979, as an association. Israel also endorsed the establishment of the Islamic University of Gaza, which it now regards as a hotbed of militancy.

***

Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who took over as governor in Gaza in late 1979, says he had no illusions about Sheikh Yassin’s long-term intentions or the perils of political Islam. As Israel’s former military attache in Iran, he’d watched Islamic fervor topple the Shah. However, in Gaza, says Mr. Segev, “our main enemy was Fatah,” and the cleric “was still 100% peaceful” towards Israel. Former officials say Israel was also at the time wary of being viewed as an enemy of Islam.

Mr. Segev says he had regular contact with Sheikh Yassin, in part to keep an eye on him. He visited his mosque and met the cleric around a dozen times. It was illegal at the time for Israelis to meet anyone from the PLO. Mr. Segev later arranged for the cleric to be taken to Israel for hospital treatment. “We had no problems with him,” he says.

In fact, the cleric and Israel had a shared enemy: secular Palestinian activists. After a failed attempt in Gaza to oust secularists from leadership of the Palestinian Red Crescent, the Muslim version of the Red Cross, Mujama staged a violent demonstration, storming the Red Crescent building. Islamists also attacked shops selling liquor and cinemas. The Israeli military mostly stood on the sidelines.

Mr. Segev says the army didn’t want to get involved in Palestinian quarrels but did send soldiers to prevent Islamists from burning down the house of the Red Crescent’s secular chief, a socialist who supported the PLO.

***

A leader of Birzeit’s Islamist faction at the time was Mahmoud Musleh, now a pro-Hamas member of a Palestinian legislature elected in 2006. He recalls how usually aggressive Israeli security forces stood back and let conflagration develop. He denies any collusion between his own camp and the Israelis, but says “they hoped we would become an alternative to the PLO.”

A year later, in 1984, the Israeli military received a tip-off from Fatah supporters that Sheikh Yassin’s Gaza Islamists were collecting arms, according to Israeli officials in Gaza at the time. Israeli troops raided a mosque and found a cache of weapons. Sheikh Yassin was jailed. He told Israeli interrogators the weapons were for use against rival Palestinians, not Israel, according to Mr. Hacham, the military affairs expert who says he spoke frequently with jailed Islamists. The cleric was released after a year and continued to expand Mujama’s reach across Gaza.

Similarly, Hezbollah was created in blowback after Israeli’s scorched earth brutality in Lebanon. Time noted in 2009:

Originally a small-scale guerrilla group in southern Lebanon formed to resist Israeli invasion in the 1980s, Hizballah built its reputation on a dogged ability to repeatedly hold its own against Israeli forces ….

***

“When we entered Lebanon, there was no Hizballah. We were accepted by perfumed rice and flowers by the Shi’a in the south,” Israeli defense minister Ehud Barak once noted. “It was our presence there that created Hizballah.”

As the Washington Post reported in 2006, it was Israeli’s brutality which led to the creation of Hezbollah:

The 1978 Operation Litani provided a clear lesson in the rules of unintended consequences. It was a swift success militarily; Israeli forces pushed across the border and moved about 20 miles north to the Litani River without serious opposition from primarily ragtag Palestinian defenders. They weren’t native to the area or fully familiar with it — they’d moved to it in the early 1970s to escape a crackdown in Jordan.

Under U.S. and other international pressure, the Israeli forces soon withdrew. But the Israeli defense minister at the time, Ezer Weizman, who later became president, ordered relentless bombing of the Lebanese border hills to drive out the civilian population. U.S. officials complained of civilian casualties, but the attacks continued.

The idea, Israeli officials explained, was to create a free-fire zone where it could be assumed that anybody moving around was a Palestinian guerrilla and a fair target for Israeli warplanes or artillery fire. The result over the next year, however, was a long list of civilian deaths — farmers carrying tobacco crops to market, families picnicking on jagged hillsides and villagers caught in their homes when stray bombs landed.

Eventually, increasing numbers gave up and fled to Beirut. These families, most of them Shiite Muslims, took up residence in what was then undeveloped land between southern Beirut and the international airport — and now is the teeming Shiite suburb known as the Dahiya.

Its exploding young population, sons of those chased from southern homes, became the base of a new radical organization born several years later. Inspired by the 1979 Iranian revolution, it eventually took the name Hezbollah, or Party of God.

***

More than two decades later, Hezbollah has grown into an extensive political force in Lebanon, backed by Shiite Muslims who have become the largest religious community in the country. Hezbollah candidates run for elections. Hezbollah social service agencies provide health care and schooling for poor farmers. Hezbollah television, al-Manar, broadcasts technically slick and virulently anti-Israeli programs into Lebanese homes.

Not least, a Hezbollah military wing, not the national army, fought year after year against Israeli troops who remained after 1982 to occupy a border enclave. Politically worn out, the Israeli occupation forces finally pulled out of Lebanon in 2000, a departure that has gone down in local historical narrative as a Hezbollah victory.

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Great writings - Your articles should be required reading for all the peoples; forget the fasicst, killing inane types who sadly "populate" here and elsewhere. They have no "heart"; they have no "soul". Enough of this killing pseudo-dialogue by crazies with no conscience..

@johnpaul,

Wrongo, Bucko! The Israeli government requested 55 or the 30,000-lb bunker buster bombs in 2009 and Obama GAVE (not sold) them to Israel. This is all they have asked for and they have them. Why tell lies? It will make your penis shorter than it already is.

The Israeli government requested 55 or the 30,000-lb bunker buster bombs in 2009 and Obama GAVE (not sold) them to Israel

since those "30,000 lb bunker busters" have just finished having the bugs worked out of them here, and Israel DOESN'T HAVE A PLANE THAT CAN DROP ANY OF THEM, I find your remark extremely improbable.

you may have confused them with the smaller, older GBU27 bunker busters that we have had for quite a while

When this happens the entire Middle East will collapse into utter chaos and American interests will be the targets. Even the rest of the world knows the United States will be easier to bring down economically then with military might. 10.00 a gallon for gasoline will do a pretty good job of bringing the entire western economy to a standstill. Gas is already fast approaching 4.00 a gallon, so wait until the first shots are fired and Iran closes the Strait of Hormuz.

We will be dragged into it just like Iraqi wars.

Iraqi wars made mess of US economy and many nations in Europe (PIIGS).

With high manipulated oil prices and unwanted and useless war, it will be more mess in the US and more of PIIGS.

Once the Sunni's in Iraq, start lobbing missiles in the American section of the Green Zone. We will be dragged into it. Thanks Nut-tan-yahoo.

I agree. I hate to say this but there is no strategic value to our alliance with Israel. If they feel that they must do this, they should proceed. We have spent years arming them and training them to defend themselves. We "Vietnamized" the Vietnam war and are now "Afghanizing" the Afghan war. It's Israel's war to fight.

Once the first shots are fired everyone here in the United States will feel the pain. Everything energy is going to skyrocket in price, which will fulfill the Obama plan. Iran wants to control the entire Middle East, and won't that be just great for the rest of the world.

It is better not to dance along with nut case Netanyahu and his gang!

But the US Jewish lobby is so strong that I have doubts whether we will be able to set our own destiny!

All of us would like oil/gas price to be low! Just see how they have been manipulated sky high!

I really bothers me when folks say nasty things about the President for not putting American lives at stake at the drop of a hat. What I find hypocritical is that some of these same people are the ones whining about the deficit and government spending and the United States being owned by China. How will America pay for this new war that Israel is pushing?

I have no problem with Israel doing what they think is right to "protect" their interest. I however do not agree that America's resources including American blood/lives should be put on the altar to further the interest of Israel or any other country for that matter. We as Americans have to learn to put ourselves and what is best for AMERICA first. If ANYONE can tell me how a war with Iran is in our (the USA) best interest, I am listening.

Here is how.

If Iran gets a nuke, there is a good chance that they will start a war any way, only they will do a lot more damage, and eventually use it on USA.

Does anyone NOT REALIZE that even IF Iran gets "The Bomb", it's kinda USELESS
unless it can be DELIVERED! The Plutonium Implosion (Nagasaki) or the Gun-Style (Hiroshima)
nuclear bombs were LARGE devices that were HOT and could be detected no matter where they went.

And for good measure, the president of Iran is actually a fairly pragmatic power-hungry
egoist rather than a purely fanatical theocrat. He has actually has had INFIGHTING with
the mullahs that are the ULTIMATE POWERBROKERS of the Iranian Government Elite.

It is HIGHLY UNLIKELY that he (Iranian President) would send off a nuke to Israel
which would only invite an OVERWHELMINGLY MASSIVE 20 MEGATONS WORTH
of NUCLEAR HELLFIRE response!

Stupid he is NOT! Egotistic he definitely IS which means he wants WORLD ATTENTION
NOT IMMEDIATE DEATH by Nuclear Hellfire from Israel! Israel has got 400+ Nukes
each over 275 kilotons which could WASTE much of Iran into GLOWING GREEN GLASS
for the NEXT 10,000 YEARS!

THEN ADD the 3000 ACTIVE DUTY NUKES WE HAVE at 475 Kilotons EACH
and the 13,000 HELD IN RESERVE...SOME OF THEM at 20+ MEGATONS EACH!

THAT IS SOME REEEEALLY SERIOUS NUCLEAR HELL FIRE THAT AMERICA HAS!

SO I personally think that the Iranian President is not so stupid as to RISK
a regional nuclear war which could UTTERLY OBLITERATE the ENTIRE IRANIAN
homeland into glass-hard radioactive silica for the next 10,000 years!

I suggest that Israel STICKS to using Hot, Naked, Babelicious Spies to LURE the
impressionable and mostly-young Iranian nuclear scientists down to their inevitable
hotel room doom.

That will INEXPENSIVELY reduce the Iranian nuclear programme to a ghostly shell
AND it will SPARE the rest of the world (er...make that the USA) from having to clean
up a big nuclear mess!

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And one more thing, If that Sentinel footage IS REAL, that is utterly BAD VIDEO QUALITY!
I know that its Multi-Spectral rather than Optical Video...but guys!
I PERSONALLY HAVE BETTER VIDEO GEAR than that! My stuff is at 4k Rez-3 camera, 60 FPS
on a COMMERCIAL-LEVEL DRONE system. That sentinel footage looks like 30 year old
NTSC 720x480! YIKES! Y'all in the CIA need to get NEW VIDEO GEAR!

Actually, the Brotherhood hasn't turned against us, but threw their own supporters a left hook. They are still doing what we ask of them to military wise. You see Egypts' military is on our payroll. The military is not the same thing as the brotherhood.

The Israelis were never our "allies." They needed military and financial assistance to survive as a nation, and the Jesus-freaks in our government, believing that they're "god's chosen people," thought it was necessary to give them that at the taxpayers expense.

I never cease to laugh at the logic behind it though. Christians supporting Jews in Israel because they believe they're god's chosen people, but still believe they'll end up burning in hell because they don't accept Jesus as their lord and savior. You can't make this stuff up.

ideology has blinded you to events in the real world. The U.S. works closely with Israel

The U.S. provides Israel $8.5 million in military aid each day,
while it gives the Palestinians $0 in military aid.

Sound like enough to you? It does to me.

Well, traffic-fanatic, maybe I'm missing something here but - I feel that generally speaking, if you have to keep feeding money and weaponry to an "ally" to maintain that "friendship", than the recipient is NOT REALLY your ally, or friend, eh????

Connect the dots, okay traffic-fanatic?

Obama said under his plan energy prices would naturally skyrocket, and when Israel strikes that plan will be realized. Those greedy US corporations Obama hates will finally get what he feels they deserve. The entire Western economy will be brought to a standstill. Should be a boon for bicycles and scooters.

Hot ticket..

The US gives aid to Israel for them to remain a solid, stabilizing influence in the middle east, which is HUGE for the US. Israel has done what the US expected from them in that regard. Israel sides with the US in the majority of the United Nation debates and votes. Money has nothing to do with being an ally - we give money to countries that would like to kill all Americans. An Ally is someone who will watch your back and assist keeping you safe.

You can't buy loyalty. And Israel has been loyal to the US.

You like most other Americans are naive. Listen closely, We are the ones making it unstable!!! The governments line is They hate the American lifestyle. Thats BS! They hate us putting military bases in their back yard. The Rothschild Zionist are trying to start a war anyway they can. They know we are watching closely for false flag attacks at the moment but they will use it as a last resort if they feel we are getting to close to them. The people of the world need to unite against these evil evil criminals. You know the ones that have funded both sides of every war the US has been involved in.

The madmen are running Israel. Ahmadinejad hasn't started a war with any other nation and has not attacked any other nation. In Fact, Iran hasn't started a war with another country in almost 200 years.

Israel just attacked it's neighbor, Syria. So which country is run by madmen? I don't see Syria or Iran attacking Israel.

In 2006, Israel staged massive air attacks on Lebanon, killing over 1000, mostly women and children. Lebanon wants anti aircraft missiles to defend themselves from Israel, but Israel wants to be able to fly their planes over Lebanon, dropping bombs and firing missiles, without fear of their pilots being shot down. Israel always uses the excuse they have to defend themselves, but refuse to let their neighbors have the ability to defend themselves. They are the world's biggest hypocrites.

As for Israel being loyal to America. A loyal friend does not attack your unarmed ship in international waters, as Israel did to the USS Liberty. Our loyal friend has been receiving billions of dollars each and every year for decades. I would suggest our friendship will end the day the money supply ends. We buy their friendship. In return, our loyal friend gives us her enemies, wars to fight and little else.

Screw Israel.

It seems Ahmadinejad is hell bent on destroying Israel... He has been quoted and recorded saying so for years now. His insistence on obtaining enriched uranium and his ignoring sanctions set by the United Nations indicate his path is not for peaceful existence.

Israel has stated it will protect itself.... They have said countries can live in peaceful coexistence but based upon Ahmadinejad threats - Israel will do what's necessary to defend it's people.

The 2006 Conflict began when militants from the group Hezbollah fired rockets at Israeli border towns as a diversion for an anti-tank missile attack on two armored vehicles patrolling the Israeli side of the border. Countries that allow terrorists to operate within it's borders and do nothing deserve no sympathy.

I do not blame anyone or any country that retaliates against a strike or moves to halt an imminent threat.

Israel should just nuke Iran.

That'll show Iran why they should not possess nukes.

N. Korea makes direct nuke threats against the US but we do nothing.

Let Israel be on their own, they just cause the US more issues.

NK is being sanctioned just like Iran, and South Korea is promised US support just like Israel.

It is not Israel that causes US more issues, it's the countries like Iran or NK, who are trying to challenge US for the title of the Big Cheese, and if US starts abandoning their allies, the enemies will only see it as a sign that they are wining and should push harder.

Dude you couldn t be more wrong.

So why did the voice allowed the Jews to "rat" him out to the Romans?

You've never been to Isreal, eh? they are just as luny and obnoxious as their Palestinian neighbors.

Indeed, there are good and bad in every country, but the government of Israel (although far from perfect) is far more civilized than those of the Muslim states.

If all your colorful descriptions refer to Gaza (that's when pro-terrorists get most melodramatic), your "locked closet" has five-star hotels, shopping-malls, water parks and an open border with Egypt through which you are welcome to come out of the closet any time.

I think you both may have a point but I also think that if it wasn't for our Policies and holding back Israel that the Israelies would be fully engaged in war right now. If you think fuel is expensive now just wait til it does blow up. You may as well park your car on the front yard and turn it into a Plantter.

another reason to be tapping our own petroleum - obamas fails us on EVERYTHING

And with the economy sucking - the unemployment and lack of jobs - where would you drive anyway??

Jewish Zionist own NBC and every other media outlet. They own Rupert Murdoch too. What do you geniuses think they're up to?

Milburn -

Get help.

Milburn is trying to get help, because the nonthinking by t's and dm's presents such a danger to a continuing society, and is sorely lacking in fundamental reasoning. Programmed people for an "end-times" world. Programmed people for a programmed cause, no independent reasoning regarding the past history of the U.S. "government" towards the indigenous peoples of the "Middle-East". There was a time when current events had movies included classroom movies showing respect towards all cultures, be they rich or poor, and showed them all as humans and of value based on each individual culture.

Sounds like that Moroccan just called president Obama "nobody".

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

"When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out"? ........let Christ speak through you.

I heard, either this or something like it years ago.

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

Yeaaaah, please do tell what this little spiel has to do with a potential war with Iran?

The quote comes from a former WWI Uboat captain converted to a Catholic. It is shortened leaving out the beginning. The first group the NAZI's attacked were the Gypsies , a group that everybody hated. The next group were the homosexuals who also had no defenders.

Again, I ask: what does have to do with a potential war with Iran?

I know where the quote comes from and what it pertains to. The reason why I'm asking here is because somebody's taking it waaaay out of context.

Ranman

This was in response to Effort PA that said as long as Iran doesn't attack the US; then US needs to stay out of it. As long as Iran doesn't launch nuclear weapons at us... we should ignore what's going on.

I think it apropos.

Respond is a proportionate manner? What kind of wuss are you? You respond with such overwhelming force that you annihilate all of them or so many of them that they beat a path to your door to surrender. You nuke them just like Japan got nuked. When hundreds of thousands of people die then you start to have a change of perspective and you think..."maybe starting this war was a bad idea". Turn Iran into glass and the world would be better for it. Thank you Mr. Secretary of Defense. Wuss.

Please name one time the United States has sent any American soldiers to Isreal to fight in any of their wars can't think of any that's because it's never happened and never will

When the israelie's through out the Palestinians and Bedouin you didn't do anything either.

When the fascists and imperialists and "zionists" came as warmongering dogs to spill the blood of innocent Iranian people, an advanced and culturally sophisticated country of basically good and decent people - I spoke out, and will continue to fight this programmed insanity.

stopbs, do stop bs,

Your "culturally sophisticated country" is currently ran by fanatics, who are doing their best to start a war. If they stop pushing no one will be coming to spill their blood.

I don't believe that Nut-tan-yahoo is all that stable. The loss of his friend Romney to Obama must have pushed him closer to the edge.

Ahamdinejad still makes him look like the picture of self-control.

Applejacks-7423330

It effects everyone like your gay friend when he effects people with aids...Death is at your door..

Paragus

Racist clown.

applejacks, it like this, if the place blows up, can you spell waliking shoes? Sure this country can self support ourselves will fuel and oils. If Pakistan decides to clobber India, where will Walmart find clothes for you to cover your butt with? Where would you find shoes that require Dr Schoals in order to wear them? Walmarts world wide would dropping like flies.

Walmart will collapse?? Well hell, I am all for that!

If a world war starts, there will be no shortage of refugees willing to work at Walmart, but the prices will go sky-high, you might discover that Walmart will become reserved for the rich, while the rest of you will be shopping from some guy with a cart at the corner, because that's all you will be able to afford.

Believe it or not, what's happening outside this country does affect you.

dont be niave - no , they wont use it directly. they will pass it on to terrorist factions who will slip it into container ships or a thousand other ways to send on to Isreal AND the US.

Iran could careless about their own annihilation - they consider it sacred to die especially if they can harm Israel in the process.

PC/NOT.......just exactly how would this nuclear weapon given to terrorists and slipped into a container ship go undetected through at least two inspections?Maybe 10 years ago....but there's more detectors in place to monitor this now than you could even imagine. Do you actually think all those road and bridge projects wee just for a smoother road and smoother traffic flow? Pay attention....there's monitors almost everywhere. They will soon be in the skys 24/7, if they're not already.

pc/not... you are naive. as far as I know pakistan is one of the most radical country and they have not given their nuclear to the terrorists. Iran according to all 16 u.s intelligence agencies is not working to make nuclear bomb. they are a nuclear capable state which means if they are threatened to be attacked by a nuclear state, they would be able to produce one for retaliation which is a good idea.

johnny -

Why would you think that the weapon would have to go through an inspection point? Considering the security problems they've uncovered at times at the airports, our security coming into this country is not nearly as foolproof as you seem to think it is. Besides, they only need to get into a harbor to be able to detonate and cause massive destruction with a nuclear weapon. They do not need to be docked to blow the weapon, and as long as they are not docked, the weapon would not be found. Even so, there's no guarantee that they would even locate the bomb in time iven if they were docked.

Tammy....cargo doesn't just get trucked to place next to the water and loaded on a ship. Every piece of cargo does not have to be physically inspected. There are electronic means to detect radiation. Now, if two governments want to move it undetected.....that's not a problem. Trying to smuggle it through a port would be the best way to have it seized. There is more security than most people even know about. Ports would be the last place a terrorist would try to move a nuclear weapon through. Bridges, tunnels, toll booths, roadside monitors on poles, hanging from bridges....they're all over the place. There are aircraft with monitoring equipment so sensitive that they can 'sniff' out just a few particles that escape from a well sealed source.

Seeking out the source of radioactivity isn't as hard as you think it is.

We shouldn't be in the middle, we should be squarely on the side of Israel.

No, we should watch this one on t.v. That should be the extent of our involvement.

Until you look out the window and discover that the show is being taped right in your back yard.

much of the areas instabilities rizes from the fact that the US is now leaderless

And what stability in the middle east are you talking about? That place has never been stable.

compared to today? Its on fire - worse then EVER

Not even close to being the worst it has ever been. Sheesh!

Being the" World Power" and supposedly Israel"s greatest Allie...Why are they doing this alone?

Another example of our President's lack of Leadership!

Time to stop funding Israel, they seem to be the aggressor this time. Sure maybe if Iran had a bomb Israel would have to stop stealing Palestinian land, and actually get along with its neighbors instead of stealing from there neighbors. Stop all US aid to Israel and we will see how fast they start talking sense. Isreal will start a war with anyone they dont like or agree with. Stop stealing land. What dont these warmongers understand.

Time to stop funding Israel??? One of the largest voting Blocs for the President...That would never happen.

The Dems would lose Power and never get it back....It is not even rational thinking to make a comment like that.

jack... the reason for the huff anf puff from the siraelis is because they are incapable to do it themselves otherwise they would've done it quietly just like they did with iraq and syria. they are making all these noise so they can get the u.s support.thank god obama is not buying this @!$%# and hopefully we will resolve this diplomatically.

pc... much of the unrest in m.e is actually due to israelis poking their nose in everyones @!$%#.

mike... israel just deceives american to be an ally. the only thing they are good for is "deceive" they are worst than enemies since with enemies you know what you are dealing with. with israel"wolf in sheep cloths" we don't know what they will do. or if we have learned from their past conducts, we will know that they are the lucifer themselves.master of deceive.

rameshm2....No argument here....It just is not a wise Political move what Kim is suggesting ....Way to many Political Ramifications.

You guys almost make me want USA to stop aid to Israel, just so you could see that Israel gets by just fine without it, just like they made it just fine through 50s and 60s without any help from USA.

I say "almost" because once American weapons companies loose their biggest buyer, they will lay of hundreds of people, unemployment in USA will go even higher, and that would lead to disgrace of the democratic party and triumph of republican, who would then make things here even worse.

Obviously, I don't want any of those things, but hearing all the antisemites grind their teeth would make for a nice moral compensation.

Your delusional and bonded to the evil that exists in the mideast. You should go there and help your friends

Saipl is correct. Take off the "red, white and blue" colored glass. What was done to the Native Americans was genocide

What was done to the Native Americans was genocide

it was, it is also done and over with and I and no one left alive bears any responsibility whatsoever for the actions of those that came several generations before us. time to accept what is and move on. sorry it happened, but it is what it is

Starting a war by initiating bombing of Iran does not "foreshadow" anything. It is military agggresssion and starting a War. How's that for accurate reporting?

In the 80s, the Russians had tens of thousands nuclear weapons aimed at the US, and not a drop of blood was shed. But now we need to invade every turd-world country that even thinks about having weapons. Why?

because Russia and Iran are a universe apart - you really dont see that?

I am old enough to remember the Soviet nuclear threat as a kid. We were told the Russians were evil and barbaric. Same with the Chinese. I recently retired from a consulting firm. On of my best workers was a nice, smart Russian kid. Others included Chinese and Indians. During my career I traveled the world and found that people are basically the same--they want to be happy and live their lives. Iranians are no different. If the Russians, who live next door to Iran were concerned about a nuclear Iran, they would have taken care of this themselves. Same can be said about the N. Koreans and China.

@B707320C --- you are partially right --- you conveniently forget that gov't, politicians and ideologues have an agenda that has nothing to do with living in peace and nice people just wanting to live their lives ---you are being quite naive. Iran wants to anihilate Israel. DPRK wants to invade South Korean and unify the two nations. China wants to take back Taiwan and any other island in the region, that may have rich mineral and oil deposits --- I dont know why you think it is so cut and dry ---- it isn't

Alinnj

Every decision and action is "economic". Its about resources and/or access to resources our influence. Iran gains nothing by blowing up Israel. And, think about this; a nuclear bomb dropped on Israel not only kills Israelis but also Palestinians. Half the inhabitants in Israel and the occupied territories are Palestinians. And what does Iran gain from that? Does it sell more oil? Do the sanctions end? Can they afford a long war? Does Russian and China stand by the sidelines after the bomb is dropped? Does the regime survive a revolutions of it own population? They actually have more to gain by just pursuing a nuclear agenda than actually using it.

The same can be said about North Korea. What do they gain? Do they take over Hundyi and Kia? Do they become any less isolated if they take over the south? They win nothing. Do you really think that they benefit by attacking Alaska? How? Ego? How long does ego last?

On the other hand, our own government uses these situations to put the fear of god in us and it works. We want more defense spending, nor less. We want more domestic oil, not less. Flip the objectives and you'll see that both sides win by exploiting their respective populations.

Yes, no one wants a war, just like no one wants to actually collide in a head-on chicken-race, yet every once in a while they collide.

Chicken is played by stupid immature actors. No one heading a nation is stupid or immature. In hindsight it might look like they acted stupidly but that is only because the victor get's to right the history. Even Hitler did in fact made rational decisions for most of the war. In many respects, it's the British that made a mistake going to war. In the end, they lost the British Empire because the war effort was so expensive.

Now, the Japanese, by comparison, made a big mistake by attacking Pearl Harbor. They had more to loose than they had to gain.

B70 - you have one take on WWII and the consequences for Britain, but I think, as is usuallly the case, the actual situation and outcome was much more complex. E.G. Do you believe Britain would still have their far flung empire had they not gotten invovled in WWII? My only regret is that Netanyahu didn't use a cartooon of OilcanHarry trying a maiden to the tracks to represent the situation - the bomb was kind of Road Runnerish and I'm kind of stuck in the Farmer Grey era.