“Mufti … is a saint. He knows about our religion and must be respected,”

Well, if she's dumb enough to fall for it herself....

Hey Mufti! Why don't you go "Futwa" yourself.

“We're heading in prehistoric era thanks to morons,” one said.

Loved it. Quote of the day. Wonder if this guy has a NewsVine account...

Fred: We don't know if she was just saying that for the sake of the media or if she really believes it.

“Mufti … is a saint. He knows about our religion and must be respected,”

Well, if she's dumb enough to fall for it herself....

Actually, that sounds like a pretty smart thing to say. Women get killed over this sort of thing. Placating the monster is the smart move here. There's no way for her to win. She must back down or martyr herself.

Religion - the easiest con game in the world. You promise them goods to be delivered after they die.

"Emancipate yourself from mental slavery - none but ourselves can free our mind"

Here's an idea who's time has come...

Let's "issue a Fatwa" ourselves on these fanatics... Show them that they aren't as powerful as they think they are.

If someone's religion is threatened that much by a music group of teenaged girls, then they need a new religion.

Another Islamic nut, who is a liability to society and nation.

Some of these Islamic clerics are curses on earth.

Non-Muslim nations should start kicking them to some Muslim nations, where they have Saharia Laws.

well Larry.

I was wondering how long it would take someone as stupid as yourself to try to compare this idiocy to American politics.

You Win.

This fascist cleric obviously doesn´t agree with the song."Girls just want to have fun".What´s his idea of fun ? Stoning adulterous woman to death ? Or going on the the local Christian hunt and killing a dozen or so? Brainwashed Islamist zombie waving his book ..Hope the band gets together and throw this cleric in the nearest river.Bye bye!

Yup, still the religion of tolerance, freedom and women's rights.

Apparently, an enlightened populace is a dangerous one.

Mufti - Another Muslim-@!$%#!

These girls need to ask themselves, "What would Malala do?"

Hey, if they only had freedom of speech and expression over there, they wouldn't have this problem.

I mean hell, look what it did for us over here in the good ol' USA man! Pffft.....

Kashmir has always been part of India but Muslim Pakistan always wanted it and has been trying to get it since 1947. Muslims have been constantly fomenting violence in the area and have killed and forced out many , many non-muslims. If these girls persist in performing they will be murdered for behaving in an unislamic fashion.

ChrisMcK

Fred: We don't know if she was just saying that for the sake of the media or if she really believes it.

True enough. But if you have the stones to stand up for yourself, you say what you mean, no matter who's asking.

Ah yes - intolerance is the very flower of religion

All Muslims take note: This story is the perfect example of why most other human beings in the world see Islam as a barbaric cult still pushing 9th century dogma...

If someone's religion is threatened that much by a music group of teenaged girls, then they need a new religion.

We may be headed toward our own little dark ages again. Considering where the muslim world was about five hundred years ago, that is leaders in mathematics and astronomy, one could argue that any nation or area can slide into oblivion as some muslim nations so blatantly illustrate. Talk about a fall from grace this is a prime example.

American fellow citizens, take notice. If we aren't vigilant of our civilization, religious zealots, christian or otherwise, could literally cause the same slide right here in the good ole us-of-a.

These girls need to ask themselves, "What would Malala do?"

And you, riverboy21, need to ask yourself, "Would I be really willing to die for some cause ?"

Ah isn't RELIGION just Special? :)

You could take all religions, especially the two major brands and flush them down the toilet and humanity MIGHT then have a change, might...

"Rafal W

These girls need to ask themselves, "What would Malala do?"

And you, riverboy21, need to ask yourself, "Would I be really willing to die for some cause ?""

Uhm....I guess you just don't read much history do you? Those who believe in THIER cause fight for it. Rafal W, I'm pretty sure does not live there and is not a teen girl in band who just wants to play music. Why you would imply that Rafal W has no causes for which he is willing to die for is....baseless.

In a related story, the band has been renamed "Peshwar Riot."

skibum - where the hell do you get your crap from....stay on topic.

I mean its not like the President just gave himself the power to order the murder of Americans without charge

Hi, guess you weren't paying attention, the DECIDER started that. Blame Bush if you want to properly point fingers (but you don't, we know, it's a bash Obama post). At least Obama is going public with the reasoning. Why didn't Bush?

If an American joins and plots with a known terrorist group to harm the US or any US citizen then, in my opinion, their rights as US citizens are automatically forfeited and they should be hunted down in the same manner as any other terrorists who threaten our country, our freedoms and our very lives.

All moslems (pisslamist's) are their own worst enemies. They are much safer in any non-islamic nations but the non-moslems are not safe from those devil moslems anywhere! Moslems are pure evils and a big threat to world peace. Civilized world must get united to eliminate those terrorist moslems from the face of this planet once and for all. As long as those savages will roam around on this earth, there wont be any peace at all! America, Europe, Canada, India, China, Australia and Japan should send back everyone of those moslem cave dwellers living in their respective countries to the deserts as they constantly conspiring to kill and destroy anything free and civilized. Please convey this message to all the leaders of the democratic world. Peace!

Skibum - what are you smoking and where can I obtain some?

"If an American joins and plots with a known terrorist group to harm the US or any US citizen then, in my opinion, their rights as US citizens are automatically forfeited"

Without a trial?

Reasoning like that is why it was so easy to convince conservatards that we had to go into Iraq because Saddam had WMD's and not because Saddam wouldn't allow a natural gas pipeline through his country from the Caspian sea because American Corporatists weren't willing to give him proper compensation.

and that too a perverted and intolerant one!

These Islamic clerics know only fatwas, fatwas, and fatwas.

Let us have our fatwas that these Islamic clerics should all hang themselves or bury themselves in some deserts.

If an American joins and plots with a known terrorist group to harm the US or any US citizen then, in my opinion, their rights as US citizens are automatically forfeited and they should be hunted down in the same manner as any other terrorists who threaten our country, our freedoms and our very lives.

I agree with you, after those allegations are proven with the opportunity for appeal. The White House drone policy allows the Executive branch to determine that a US citizen is a mortal threat and kill him/her with no prior or subsequent reviews.

Fred Evil says:

Hi, guess you weren't paying attention, the DECIDER started that. Blame Bush if you want to properly point fingers (but you don't, we know, it's a bash Obama post). At least Obama is going public with the reasoning. Why didn't Bush?

Getting way off the topic of these girls in Pakistan here, but just had to fact check you here. Obama did not go public with the legal justification for the drone strikes. In fact, his administration has fought every FOIA request and every Senate or House request to release these memos. The white paper that is making the rounds this week was leaked, and the white house is already making rumblings about trying to identify and prosecute the leaker. Oh, and the memo that was leaked makes it clear that's there is an even "more secret" memo out there on this topic.

As far as playing the "who started" it game, it's about as productive as when my 3 and 5 year old do it. But beyond that, be aware that drone strikes under Obama's first 4 years outnumbered Bush's 8 years by a ratio of 5 to 1. And what makes that even more striking is that Obama's drone strikes occurred largely AFTER the wind down of combat operations in Iraq and the scale down in Afghanistan. In other words, Bush's drone stikes were largely, if not entirely, in support of combat operations on active battlefields, whereas Obama's are targeted assassinations, and substantially more often in countries where we have no other military presence, such as Yemen. Comparing the two drone programs is apples to oranges.

Isn't religion great?? Major cause of all the world wars and torture etc...let's all get on board before the invisible guy in the sky that never answers goes away....

The White House drone policy allows the Executive branch to determine that a US citizen is a mortal threat and kill him/her with no prior or subsequent reviews.

Yes, Barry, but these killings take place not in the United States, or Europe, but in some places infested with Islamist fundamentalist groups.

BF100: You have written 100 percent correct.

Since the birth of Islamic cult, there has been no positive contribution to a place, society, nation and world from the followers of Islamic cult.

The contributions of followers of Islamic cult are only telling lies, trying to fool, cheat, steal, loot, kidnap, rape, inventing hatred and divisions, killing and then genocides.

If they don't get non-Muslims, they kill each other.

Look at Syria.

No, they are just the victims of greedy men whose brains are in their genitals. Very common trend throughout history....but then you don't want to hear that, right?

How come there are never fatwas against the Muftis? Can anyone call for one? Can we?

Yep, we can. Just say the words. I call for a fatwa against Mufti Ahmad.

Done.

-Grand Mufti Z-933870

I always thought we should issue a fartwa, where every one in the civilized world cuts a really ripe one into a Zip-Lok baggie, seals it and mails it to these religious radical nut jobs. Then maybe they'll get the idea.........or not.

John @ #3 ====== There are over a billion people who have great respect for Islam and for this decision finding these girls were acting in an unislamic way.

and trust is God's freedom.

Other than belief in God extreme religions are no different than atheists or Progressives who hypocrtically whine about religions trying to control people when that's all; they're about. The religious person says: "do this because God says so". The Progressive says: "do this because I say so.". Poison is poison, despite the wrapper.

skibum - talk about extremists ... look in the mirror.

The Progressive says: "do this because I say so

they so so because you say so....logic befalls you.

faith is god's gift.

Umm, no. SCIENCE is god's gift, faith is for the emotionally weak.

and if he picked an intermediary, why that d-bag?

We have the same type of religion induced ignorance here in the US. The "young earth", anti evolutionists are a prime example.

I think these young women made a poor choice in abandoning their art for religious dogma.

the one and only====== They abandoned their music because they knew they would be murdered by fellow Muslims if they persisted. I bet you'd do the same.

In the 50's and 60's there were black musicians who left the US because of racism. They went to France where their music was more important than their color. If you want to do something badly enough you figure out a way to do it even if it means making sacrifices.

the one and only ======= Clearly you don't understand the situation of young women in an Islamic society. Read the Koran and you will see the plight of women under Islam. Just one example , under Islam a woman can be raped with impunity unless she has 4 male witnesses. Her word means nothing.

Read the Koran

No. Not any more than I would read the tripe authored by L Ron Hubbard.

you will see the plight of women under Islam.

Then why do people put up with it? Succumbing to a corrupt system is no way to instigate change.

You bash Christianity in the hopes that people will stop bashing Islam? Huh? Then you go on to bash Christianity again on another post.

You're a real piece of work, Michael.

You bash Christianity in the hopes that people will stop bashing Islam?

It's called demonstrating a point for those incapable of rational cognition. You want to hate on the religion bashing? Start with ralph.

Michael -

you are spot on, I don't see Christianity bashing in your comment at all, what I see is equal treatment......all religions suck.

If one thinks this cleric is a nut case specific to Islam just think about the Westboro Baptist church.

Reason and logic befalls east coast but then taht is teh religious for you.

It would only be equal treatment if the OP was talking up Christianity. This isn't the case. I'm not a Christian either but I'm sick of the endless and pointless misdirection (this is what that type of thing is called among us with rational cognition).

@Michael-3842950

You are not Michael, you are actually one of those piss-full followers of that devil Mu-Ham(pig)-MAD from one of those evil country in the desert full of savages and human trashes. You should be in your own Hellish-land but certainly not in America, Canada or Europe. All pisslamist's are pure evils and a disease to mankind! This is a free and civilized country so, you must go back to the cave where you came from you hypocrite.

Lets not forget atheism. Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. Atheism has killed more people in recent history than any other religion. (Recent history)

MrBurns

It was not so much atheism that led to the deaths you mention but the worship of the state as god.
We have the same sort of problem in the US of people worshiping our government as a god.

Atheism has killed more people in recent history than any other religion.

Those people were not killed in the name of atheism or by an atheistic creed, unlike the huge numbers who died in the crusades, inquisitions, witch/heretic burnings, pograms, etc..., all in the name of God.

Notice Michael @ # 6.1 never fails to drag in other religious groups which have nothing to do with this action by a specific group , Muslims. He does this because he doesn't really oppose what the Muslims have done to these girls. He can't even bring himself to utter one critical word about Islam. Just read his note and you know who he hates and it isn't those that burn , bomb and kill in the name of their religion everyday around the world.

Yes, because Christians are so tolerant? Unless you are gay, or an independent woman, or a member of another religious sect, or just don't look, act, dress and believe exactly as they think you should.

Michael, you and that cleric, plus all other cleric's that preach the religon of peace, which is pure excetment, it is a religion of hate. I have read parts of your Koran, it's not peaceful by any means. Like I started to say, you all can kiss my a$$.

Who gave you the right to decide what women can and cannot do? You act just like the American GOP does when it comes to women and women's rights.

Why didn't you Muslim's have a huge peace demonstration when 9-11 happened? The only person doing any talking was a guy by the name of Hooper. Big freaking deal.

I agree, most religions do push hate and non-tolerance, and we do have plenty of that here from the GOP's religious right wing nut jobs. But they do believe in the laws of the land. Muslim's DON'T think that way. You came here to our country from a 3rd world country, and are now trying to make us a 3rd world country. Guess what Michael, it ain't a gonna happen. Take your Shira laws and shove them where the sun doesn't shine. Same as your hate preaching cleric's. If those cleric's would tell the truth, you would realize Mohammad was a drunk and a womanizer, and was mostly insane.

Why won't they tell you the truth? And why can't most of the Muslims in their third world country read and write in any language? Are they all dumb, or does your religion prohibt educational schools?

So Michael thinks Islam and Christianity are the same? Thats so stupid it appears Michael is the epitome of a Progressive.

Feel free to point out how their judgementalism, extremism and violence are different, skibum.

You can't, and you know you can't (or you SHOULD know, unless you actually don't know as much about this topic as you think you do).

I guess the Westboro Baptist Church is an Islam cult....all religions, especially the Christianity and Islam are a pox to humanity.

"Once you have placed a label on the box you have constructed from your beliefs, you cease to possess the ability to perceive beyond its constraints."

islam is nothing more than a disease and those infected know not they are sick.

The WBC has issued death warrants against others? I haven't seen it yet.

They're jerks, no doubt, praying for the deaths of others isn't a real charming move. But to call out to followers to physically murder people in the name of God when there is a good chance they'll do it and to have the government wink at this threat as well? That's a whole different ballgame.

Sure, we have random idiots in the west who'll kill in the name of God but they're not backed by the government when they do it.

Michael: If you're equating Islam with Christianity you're got about as much brain wattage as a bag of hair. I despise religion but Islam is in a different league. It's like equating the North Korean regime with the US . . . both are "governments", and that's it.

Lets not forget the millions killed for atheism from Mao, Pol Pot, and Stalin. Atheism has been the cause of more deaths than all other religions in the past hundred years.

What most people, including Michael, fail to notice is that Islam which is younger than Christianity, seems to be going through the same evolutionary cycle that Christianity went through. It started out as a relatively peaceful movement and is going through it's violent period as did Christianity (The Crusades, The Inquisition, Papal armies etc. etc.) Heck, Christianity took over the Roman Empire. It did eventually grow out of that infantile state. One really has to wonder if Islam will grow out of it's violent stage given the downright refusal of the supposedly peaceful majority of mainstream Islam to rise up and soundly smite the violent ones that are giving their religion a bad name. In view of this, I have to think that way deep down inside, all followers of Islam would like to see some form of Islamic rule and law across the face of the Earth even if it's done through violent means. All of this discussion about religions just reaffirms something I realized a long time ago......Religions are like farts. Yours is ok but everyone elses stinks. So, keep your religions to yourselves because from my point of view they all stink and I don't think anyone really wants to smell them. Keep it in your place of worship where it belongs.

Sometimes, the chains are more imaginary than physical, which is why most of the world lives in extreme oppression, even though the open-minds exceed the authority many times to one.

by settled down, I mean not beheading every person that "sins"

Megadave

Beheading sinners wasn’t the Christians style (it was more a Kings style) they preferred something far more “humane” namely burning people alive.

Christianity started out as a "religion of peace" and went through years of war trying to capture Judea and Palestine from Muslim rule, using total war to accomplish their goals as ruler of terror.

Dave, this was AFTER the Muslims took over the holy lands using war and killing to accomplish their goals as ruler of terror.

The Christians and Jews controlled the Holy lands centuries before Mohammad was a glimmer in his fathers eye.

Correct. Religion is like the Godfather movies. The first, Judaism and the Godfather were academy award winners. The second, Christianity and the Godfather Part 2 were Academy award winners. The third, Islam and the Godfather part 3, were and are atrocious.

Actually more people have died because of atheism in the past hundred years than Islam. Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, etc.

I believe that christianity predated islam by at least 700 years.

All organized religions are scourges of mankind, and will eventually be forgotten.

or in the interest of "National Security"

You do mean the jerks that hold office in DC.?

dammit, up-voted before I saw the gun part

If only we could banish ALL religion and guns from the planet.

Then we'd find some other way to kill each other. Humans instinctually kill each other....just like Chimps. But getting rid of all the guns will never happen. The powers that be maintain their power with the threat of death. Guns preserve that power.

Americans are better. You're not. I look forward to the day when I can be free from not only religion, but despicable cretins we call Progressives who fit somewhere in between radical Christians and Al-Queda. Never believed in God and find all religions sort of ridiculous at best, but I would take 99% of Christians and Jews over anyone labelling themselves a Progressive or a liberal.

We are better. We put up with Bananarama and the Bangles. There were no death threats against them. Some of us even liked them and bought albums and went to concerts.

@cgtrav, well heck, I second that motion of a bounty, and I'm serious. Start taking these terrorists out, and yes, he is a terrorist, against his own people, and against women.

Overall I am against violence, but I do realize at times it is necessary, especially when someone else, like that Muslim cleric, is promoting violence. So yes, getting rid of them people who are like him would send a message, a very strong message.

That message is that we are not against your religion, we are against you issuing a license to commit violence against other human beings. If you do, it's lights out.

But all in all, the Muslim Religion and their nutty cleric's need to join the 21st Century. And if you don't like what I have said, issue your fatawa on me. Then we will be able to sit down in person and discuss this matter. Hahahahahaha. I'm sure you would like to hear my discussion in person, right?

“They need to join the 21st century” is a phrase I keep hearing from people on the topic of Islamic extremists and I’m think, what a very vague term, what do people mean by this? After all since time doesn’t dislocate itself for people and runs linear throughout the world and since the world all agrees we are living in the 21st century then I can only assume that people who make such claims do not mean them literality. SO again what do people mean by such a term?

@Losmuertos, speaking for myself, what it means to me is that the Muslim's, not all, but the majority of them, are still living like they did 500 years ago, and their thinking is in that time era. The majority of the countries realize what century we are living in, and are striving to better themselves.

Yes there are exceptions to everything, but overall, the western world, as it is called, believe that most people have certain rights. The Muslim religion doesn't work that way, it's only a few that have rights, and women aren't part of that.

Hope that clears any confusion you have. Also ask yourself, why can't the majority of Muslims living in Muslim countries read and write their language. Most of them can't. WHY CAN'T THEY?

SallyAnn-4595694

“the majority of them, are still living like they did 500 years ago”

Ok so I assume you are talking about human rights? Because I think you’ll find many Muslims are very modern in their thinking. Take for example terrorism; Muslims have been very modern in their approach to terrorism, taking it out of then national setting (so national liberation groups like the IRA) and moving it into the international arena in a fashion, very much akin to a modern international company.

Furthermore, if we look at Muslim extremist and their tendency for Koranic literalism, we find that it (much like biblical realism) this is a trend that has its origins in the 20^th century (early 20^th for Christians, late 20^th for Muslims) so again it would appear they are living in the 21^st.

Finally I would say that the idea of resisting western cultural influence (human rights being a big example of Western Culture) is again a product of the 20^th century and thus not reflective of a 500 year old out-look. In particular this revulsion of human rights by Islamic countries, seems to be a cross between Marxist theory (which basically equates Human Rights, with the cultural dominance of the ruling class) and ridged Islamic thought that condemns other religions. Or in short, our culture does not recognise other religions, thus your attempts to for upon us freedom of religion, is an attack on our culture, by your western culture. Again all of this is pretty modern stuff and just adaptations of late 19^th/20^th century sociological and philosophical thought.

As for your claim that the majority of Muslims in Muslim countries cannot read or write, do you have any links to support that claim?

Maybe we could get a less stupid Sally Ann who might know she was referring to Pat Robertson. Amazing how stupidity and bigotry go hand in hand in the Progressive's world.

@skibum, I was wondering how long it would take a bible thumper to catch my purposely made mistake. Congrats, you were the first. And why the insults? It really be-little's what you have to say. I will match my IQ against yours anyday.

And also, I don't live in the Progressive's world, nor the regressive world. I am an independent, and when I see excretment, from either a R or a D, I call them on it. But you have proved one point, it's always the GOP low informed base that resorts to name calling first. Why is that Skibum? Is that all you know is to insult people?

SallyAnn "rabid right wing bible thumpers"

Yes, you are above name calling!?

Right, those were words of fear and nothing more.