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Hussein Malla / AP file
U.S. Administrator L. Paul Bremer is shown at a ceremony transfering national sovereignty to Iraq in Baghdad on June 28, 2004.
Former U.S. diplomat Paul Bremer had shoes thrown at him during a meeting held Wednesday in the British Parliament in an attack reminiscent of the 2008 shoe hurling directed at President George W. Bush.
A video that captured the moment was posted on YouTube.
The incident occurred as Bremer, a former U.S. envoy to Iraq, was giving a speech at a meeting organized by the Henry Jackson Society, a British-based think tank named for the late U.S. senator from Washington state. Bush, who appointed Bremer to his post in Iraq was the target of a similar attack when he visited Baghdad in 2008. Shoe hurling is a traditional Arab gesture of disrespect.
In the latter incident, a man stood up, seemingly to address Bremer, and announced he was delivering two messages, one from Saddam Hussein and one from the Iraqi people.
"This is the first message," the man said, as he threw the first shoe. Bremer can be seen ducking, but he then started laughing, in seeming disbelief.
Seconds later, a second shoe flew across the room, and Bremer stood and tried to catch it -- but failed. "You should improve your aim if you want to do something like that," he said.
As the attacker was removed from the room, he could be heard shouting invectives addressed to Bremer, who he said is responsible for destroying his country.
"If he had done that while Saddam Hussein was alive, he would be a dead man by now," Bremer then said, addressing the crowd -- his composure regained.
From May 2003 to June 2004, Bremer served as the administrator of the Coalition Provisional Authority of Iraq, which was established following the 2003 invasion.
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It seems like the GOP party has a magnetism for shoes.
They still have shoes?
So, why did we destroy Iraq? I always forget that part, we were there so long.
Oooo the ultimate Islamic insult!
Iraq was an OOPS!
Wow! Haven't heard Bremer's name in years. Thought he was on a private isle somewhere with millions of dollars of U. S. money that is missing from Iraq.
EVERY one of you.. I mean every stinking one of you after 9/11 supported the Iraqi war. If you say otherwise your a friggin lier. Now you find pleasure in the political finger pointing and unfounded finger pointing. We ALL know that Clinton cut military and intellegence budgets. We all know that the intel we had at the thime pointed to Iraq as the hub for Alqida. We ALL suspected there were WMD in Iraq because we had just witnessed the use of scuds in Kuwait. Go ahead and sit behind you keyboards and make comments against the very people you applauded a few years ago because you too thought we belonged in Iraq. You twist the truth to suit your agendas but fail to accept we may have ALL had the wrong impression of Iraqs involment in 9/11. You fail to accept responsibility for your own actions back then. Your skills at making up falsehoods about the people in the Bush administration are far better than any we may have heard from them. We were there too long Yes, but the reason was we play too fair. But we all felt we should be there. If the intel was wrong blame Clinton and blame Clinton for not having Bin Laden arrested when he had the chance as well.
tell lies to invade...then laugh bout it...all those WMD's and they restrained them selves from using them ...way to go iraq...kinda like us letting millions invade our country...oh well ...
Stop projecting Avenger. There were plenty of people who protested the war, you just called them treasonous traitors back then. Now you have to call them "right". Funny how we were, but the entire US government, and you, were wrong, but still can't admit it. Your partisan screed only makes you look like a petulant child.
You twist the truth to suit your agendas
Indeed.
Freedom of expression, that’s all it is. Or could it be an attempt for stardom or a reflection of boredom? I guess the news media will now be falling over each other arranging an interview with the thrower, £100+ thousand payment for an interview won’t go astray, for simply throwing a shoe.
Alternately, a stiff sentence, would teach him a good lesson about the benefits of keeping his shoes on.
starbuck49….
How lucky the Democrats are, if the GOP used the same tactics of self expression, they would soon run out of shoes. And gee, there is a myriad of reasons to do that. But, let’s give them credit; the GOP has too much class to lower themselves to that level.
Oh yeah, the Great Obstruction Perpetrators have a lot of class, all right. Unfortunately, it's all low class.
Does everyone forget all the genocide committed by Saddam? You know the actions we said we would never again allow to happen after the Nazis?
lulu98
Why did Bush decide to stop genocide in Iraq and not in Darfur? Oh yeah, there's oil in Iraq.
wtw of KC, you do realize this event took place in the BRITISH Parliament? You know, Britain, that country across the Atlantic, where they don't have the Republican or Democratic parties.
Typical, ill informed, partisan hack that can't help make a fool of himself. How sad!
I think removing Saddam was a mistake, His way of ruling a Arab nation is the only way, Absolute power!! That is the only thing those animals over there understand. Plot against him and everybody dies. They respect power and laugh at weakness. When we will learn to understand that?
On 9/11, Bremmer's office at the WTCs was hit directly. Luckily, he was not in his office that day. That same day, Bremmer was on television, blaming Osama bin Laden. He was put in charge of Iraq by Bush.
Silverstein, the owner of the WTCs, usually ate breakfast in the towers, but luckily for him, he had a doctors appointment that day. Now, he is collection the billions in insurance money, because he had the foresight insure the WTCs against a terrorist attack a month or 2 earlier. The WTCs fell into their own footprints in controlled demolitions.
On 9/10, Donald Rumsfeld was on television, notifying us 2.3 trillion dollars was missing from the Pentagon (it is on Utube). Dov Zakheim was the Pentagon Comptroller. The next day, the Pentagon was hit, destroying the records. Wow! What a lucky break for the perpetrators.
Question: Was it all luck or prior knowledge?
Bremer was a hack who never should have been in Iraq. He is the one person that is most responsible or why we were there for so long because he decided he knew better than the real professionals what Iraq needed and destroyed so much goodwill.
Ask ANY career diplomat or senior military person and they will all say the same thing: Bremer was to Iraq what "Good Job Brownie" was to Katrina. Totally inexperienced political appointees in way over their heads and too stupid and arrogant to know or admit it.
And yes, we all should wonder how many millions of the billions in cash that went missing ended up in who's hands in the end...........
The coalition failed...they (iraqi's) should have been bombed back beyond the shoe age...
plain bob
Fianchetto
starbuck49
How politically adorable. Keep spewing how Bush "lied" and how there was just no history of Iraq ever having WMDs, and how politics keep people from admitting the truth, etc...
So, tell us, who used WMDs as the reason for bombing Iraq at the end of 1998? Which party was telling the world we had to do something about Iraq and Saddam? How were WMDs "real" at throughout 1998 but a "lie" in 2001 and 2002??
Great comment Avenger....yes they lie to suit their left-wing agendas and they conveniently forget facts like the first Iraq invasion, which came after Saddam invaded Kuwait, looting...raping...killing the folks there and causing an environmental disaster with the oil wells. The Butcher of Iraq, Saddam Hussein, was always the reason we invaded Iraq. This incident with the shoes only illustrates how crazy many in the Middle East are. A dangerous culture bent on destroying the West and the left would rather criticize the GOP and Israel. Some twisted thinking.
It could be worse - lookout!!!!! panties.
For doing what to us? Iraq wasn't involved in the 9/11 attack.
I have a couple of old, well-used pairs that I would like to launch at this cretin...and the rest of the Bush Cabal.
Heck of a job, Party of No.
Let's see, Reid wouldn't even allow two dozen republican jobs bills on to the floor for a vote. The dems voted unanimously with the republicans against Barry's last two "budgets" 97-0 and 99-0, respectively, and now Reid won't even let any kind of budget on to the floor...so who's the "party of No", exactly?
For that matter neither did Afghanistan do anything to us. The terrorists on 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Lebanon, UAE. So why did Obama say we should have stayed in Afghanistan to finish the job? Nobody knew what they were doing, it was America's first war on terrorism, but one thing was certain. Sadaam had WMD and we were sending our troops over there and they were in danger of being hit with WMD. As for the oil, we are paying record prices for gas so there goes that theory. And what good did killing OBL do? Absolutely nothing accept get Obama re-elected.
"EVERY one of you.. I mean every stinking one of you after 9/11 supported the Iraqi war. If you say otherwise your a friggin lier."
No, like most on the left, I was against it. And it's spelled "liar."
Another lesson to keep away from ME basket case nations!
If you try to help some (Sunni Saudis, Kuwait, UAE and other gangsters), someone else will throw shoe!
Thank God: it is not their normal Islamic bombs!
After the Progressives & Demoblacks abolish our 2nd Amendment right, & the O'Bagger Youth are dragging Freedom loving & hard working white Americans (no blood sucking Savages) to the reeducation camps we will have no choice but to resort shoe throwing.
"Most on the left?" You mean, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, John Kerry and Harry Reid didn't vote for it? You mean 29 out of the 50 democrats in the Senate didn't vote for it?
avenger, absolutely correct.....save for a few we were all for it. In retrospect the land war was a mistake. We had hawks in congress from both parties, most notably Hillary. Kerry said he was for it before he was against it. We could have easily contained the ba$tard hussien but instead the war led to a more destabilized region. All the Bush haters love to place blame. It reminded of vietnam at the time because we also knew the iraq war would extend itself after we finished the "mission".
Jax A
Here is the vote for the 2002 Iraq vote
Democrat House ayes 81 nays 126
Republican House ayes 215 nays 6
Democratic Senate ayes 29 nays 21
Republican Senate ayes 48 nays 1
http://usiraq.procon.org/view.additional-resource.php?resourceID=001987
They all voted on what was presented to them by the Bush Administration in 2002.
bewildered0224
Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with Iraq or the terrorists
Afghanistan and the Taliban provided the terrorists training camps within its borders to train for missions against us. That is why Afghanistan was where we should have stayed and finished the war.
Jax,
Yes, most on the left.
Congressional support is not the same as Americans on the left. Representatives were concerned about how it would look to vote against the war when it was almost certain to happen. There was a case made for it (an incorrect case it turns out), so they took the safe road and most voted for it.
The fact is that it was a bad idea, and we're paying for it now--in many ways--4000 dead, $trillions spent, region still plenty unstable, shoes being thrown, gas prices NOT lower. So even for the cynical reason of "there's oil in Iraq, not in Darfur" we didn't win that either. We won nothing.
Can you not admit with hindsight that the Iraq war was a mistake?
You're being disingenuous if you can't say it was a mistake. If you're honest then, you have to admit that those lefties in the runup to the Iraq war were right. You know, Michael Moore, and people like that. They were right.
Yes Starbuck, that's what I said, 29 of the 50 Democratic senators voted for it, even if less than a majority of the dems in the house did.
"What was presented" in 2002 was the same thing "presented" by Bill Clinton, Madeline Albright, Sandy Berger, John Kerry and Nancy Pelosi in 1998. Funny, WMDs were a real threat in December of 1998, but big lies in 2001 and 2002, huh?
Whatever we call it, let's be honest, then. The democrats have been blaming Bush for Iraq for years, yet they voted for it. For years, the democrats have been repeating the "it's because Bush lied and tricked our poor unsuspecting little Democratic leaders" soundbites, while ignoring the FACT that the left used those same "lies" in 1998 to bomb Iraq and for the very reasoning for VOTING TO SUPPORT the action to go into Iraq in 2002.
Call it a success, call it a failure, call it a mistake, call it whatever you want....just stop pretending the democrats didn't support it and that they didn't support it for the very same reasons THEY were claiming years before it ever happened.
chuck, you make a good point, as what you suggest is certainly the case for people ike rumsfeld, cheney, snow, quayle (who was the prototype for dubya), wolfson, et al. However, I believe you hit the "m" key by mistake when you tried for the "b" in describing how many "illions" those guys diverted into their own pockets from our former national treasure.
Starbuck, You can look at Darfur regarding Bush, you need to also look at Clinton for Rhowanda. The Congo River was flooded with the dead bodies of the victims in their (un-Civil)war. Time magazine took a picture of the mass of bodies that acted like a dam of cord wood ensnarled in the river. This was at the same time the Jewish Hologaust museum was open stating that "never again" will this happen. Clinton has stated after his term was over, he should have done something about Rhowanda. Not to blame just Clinton, the U.N. was worthless, at best, in both Bosnia and Rhowandan Wars, as self-proclaimed Peace Keepers. In both cases, there was no respect for the mission, just respect in the rules of engagement.
They should require all those Muslim weirdos to leave their shoes outside.
What the hell is up with throwing shoes at people? What an idiotic custom and a bunch of stupid, dumbass people that subscribe to it.
@Jax A,
"How politically adorable. Keep spewing how Bush "lied" and how there was just no history of Iraq ever having WMDs, and how politics keep people from admitting the truth, etc..."
Politically Adorable??? Ummm.......More like pathetic actually. Adorable NO!
Keep spewing how Bush "lied" ? No thanks that B.S. got old while President Bush was still in office mistaken maybe........ Lied?........None of MY Liberal family or friends really believe that. We still agree that we would rather have had Darth Vader as Vice President instead of Dick Cheney though :) (That was not sarcasm...........We really would rather have Darth)
how there was just no history of Iraq ever having WMDs - Your mistake was only going back to 1998 regarding WMDs. Did you forget 1988 and the Halabja poison gas attack at the end of the Iraq-Iran War. This was against the Kurds in the town of Halabja (Nortern Iraq) or the al-Anfal Campaign (genocide) that went on from 1986 to 1989.
Also remember that Iran supports the Kurds which probably means that the Kurds can at least be regarded as being a part of Radical Islam if they are not in fact Iranian Proxy Fighters (lets call them what they really are the Ayatollahs B!tches). This would explain why Saddam supposedly was killing his own people when in fact he was probably getting rid of what HE considered (whether Saddam was right or wrong is not the issue) to be Radical Islamic Terrorists (Jihadi Wackos). Saddam was rather fond of killing religous crazies according to some of MY families Iranian friends anyway (Their families were executed after the Shah was removed. Those that were not killed were usually away at school or something)
"how politics keep people from admitting the truth, etc..." - Probably (one can hope anyway) pretty obvious that this Democrat and his family/friends don't Roll like that.
"So, tell us, who used WMDs as the reason for bombing Iraq at the end of 1998? Which party was telling the world we had to do something about Iraq and Saddam?"
Okay...........Is that a trick question or what? You wouldn't mean that little fiasco around December (cough......19th.....cough) 1998 would you? Cuz' if so that would be Operation Desert Fox the (lame) brain(less) child of the Clinton Administration. A.K.A. the biggest single reason (until Afghanistan and Iraq started or the Drones maybe) that a large chunk of the Muslim world is a tad upset with us and kinda, sorta, maybe doesn't like or trust us very much - lolzzzzz. Does anyone else wish that he had left our Military alone and/or at least listened to them. Personally I wouldn't let him act as Offensive (or defense actually)Co-Ordinator on a PeeWee League Football team. He may have done a lot of good things but noth8ing to do with our Military can be included in that list ( or that piece of worthless BullSh!t known as The Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act (GLB), also known as the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999 that HE (Pres8ient Clinton) signed. This even after during debate in the House of Representatives, Rep. John Dingell argued (Democrat of Michigan) that the bill would result in banks becoming "too big to fail." Dingell further argued that this would necessarily result in a bailout by the Federal Government. )
Regards,
Brandon The Liberal
OOOPS Re: Post 1.42.........Sorry sticky keyboard.
noth8ing = nothing
(Pres8ient Clinton) = President Clinton
Oh and Jax A............I had to in all good consience give your post a thumbs up. It was true and fair regardless of political B.S.( and H.S. too for that matter) :)
2FAST4U1701, that wasn't "MY" mistake of claiming that Iraq had no history of ever having WMDs, I was just pointing out how the boneheads who like to pretend the left had NOTHING to do with Iraq were claiming Iraq never had them. Anyone with a brain and who knows even an iota of history knows of Saddam's use of WMDs throughout the 1980s (as Sandy Berger, Clinton's security advisor pointed out in February of 1998...oh the irony!)
And no, Desert Fox "reasoning" wasn't a trick question, as I think you know. It was to point out the blatant hypocrisy of the left saying "Bush lied, that's why we went into Iraq" when WMDs were the same justification Clinton, Pelosi, Berger, Albright and the dems used in 1998.
Jax,
Saying a bunch of Democrats going along isn't saying much.
It was a MISTAKE. No two ways around it. What did we get out of it AT ALL?
Liberal citizens were against it from the get-go. There were protests all around the country. They were RIGHT. Admit it. Or just spin like you did in 1.36 and 1.37.
Iraq was a total mistake and it cost us (and is still costing us) a lot.
as troubling as I find the weasel Bremer, I am even more troubled by Obama's appointment of Brennan, Bushco's point man on torture, and his unwillingness to disown torture. I thought I voted for Obama for change. Where's the change? Brennan should be in prison with Cheney. Instead, he gets promoted by Obama. What the hell???
Jax,
The left WAS against it. Democrats, despite what you guys say, are not left, they are centrist. There is some range there, and a lot of Democrats voted against authorization for the war, but enough did did vote for it that the war was authorized.
That's not saying the left was "for" the war, and you can't equate Democrats with the left. The left is for the Democrats (where else could they go), but the Democrats don't do the bidding of the left. If they did, we'd have a healthcare public option, better gun control, Glass-Steagal wouldn't have been repealed and lot of other things
@Jax A,
"2FAST4U1701, that wasn't "MY" mistake of claiming that Iraq had no history of ever having WMDs" - Please READ my post again. It stated " Your mistake was only going back to 1998 regarding WMDs. I never said that YOU did say that IRAQ had NO WMDs. I only added to what you had to say.
And no, Desert Fox "reasoning" wasn't a trick question, as I think you know. It was to point out the blatant hypocrisy of the left saying "Bush lied, that's why we went into Iraq" when WMDs were the same justification Clinton, Pelosi, Berger, Albright and the dems used in 1998.
Okay at this point I generally resort to using my awesome intellect and Advanced Asymmetrical Trash Talking Skills and start (Including the dreaded the crayon, Big Marker and I.Q. comments) with insults and name calling. Either you need to maybe go to a few parties and maybe even get laid or you really can't detect sarcasm and humour even with the...... lolz, :) , and ;) internet etiquette in use.
I was agreeing and I dare say even complimenting you on what you had to say. YES........I know it's Rare (almost effing unheard of actually) for a Liberal/Democrat to actually agree with much less say something positive and reinforcing to a Conservative/Republican but Sh!t just happened. What can I say........No I'm not drunk or stoned (I do neither) maybe I'm just catching something :)
Regards,
Brandon
Thomas Blue,
We keep having these arguments about whether the "left" was for the war. The left definitely wasn't for the war. Some Democrats were, but they don't speak for the left. Hell, Obama doesn't speak for the left. We side with him because what choice do we have? Just like the crazy righties had to go with Romney. Where else were they going to go?
Obama's doing this Clintonesque triangulation where he's taking all of these Republican people and ideas (Obamacare for crying out loud?), and using them to thwart Republican opposition. It sort of works, but at what cost? Obama, the "most liberal" President ever is farther right than Reagan on Foreign policy. The cost is that we get Brennan and people like him, and the mid point in the political discourse is shoved WAY to the right. Now Centrism is "left wing" ideology to the righties. Look at my conversation with Jax.....
2Fast,
You may not be stoned (right now), but you've got to be a taker ;- )
Fight on District 12.
JAX,
The most valuable part of your post, in reply to mine, was...Heck of a Job, Party of No.
Restating the Truth is invaluable, and I appreciate that you restated, Heck of a Job, Party of No.
Sincerely,
Someone living centuries ahead of the Party of No.
It's the hypocrisy surrounding it that irritates me. I know lots of "liberals" who were all for it in 2003 and then against it much later on. They like to pretend that the country wasn't still angry at that point.
Those "protests all around the country" just highlighted the hypocrisy even further, just like the media, when the protests were in high gear and the body counts were on the nightly news...when Bush was president...yet magically disappeared when Obama was elected. Even worse, now the left, liberals, democrats all like to keep claiming it was ALL Bush's fault...when so many dems supported it, and used the very same reasoning to support it that they did in 1998's Iraq bombing....something YOU can't admit.
It's not difficult to "live centuries ahead" of the democrats, but it's definitely a feather in your cap.
Nice spin Jax, as I expected. No admission.
I was against it, and went to protests in February 2003. There were 100's of thousands of us in NY, LA, Seattle, Chicago. You don't remember that? That's hardly "all for it" jaxass.
Regarding hypocrisy, only now you complain about these policies when Obama is in charge? Or is that you're NOT complaining? Who's the effing hypocrite?
Liberals certainly didn't fight it hard enough, but it was Bush's IDEA to convert the nations anger over 9/11 to a war with Iraq, so for that, it IS Bush's fault. But for Bush, it wouldn't have happened. Gore wouldn't have done that.
@ SmBusOwnerinNY
Thanks. I know all of that. But I'm sure that we all know that if Obama nominated Jesus Christ for any position, the reich would oppose him. It's time he stopped trying to placate and pre-empt the repugnicans and stand for something besides pragmatism. As a lawyer, I suspect that Mr. Obama must know in his heart that Brennan is as criminally guilty as the rest of the bush administration. Mr. Obama should divorce himself from this criminality. It's amusing that the reich goes after him for guns and God but misses things like Brennan and a Sec. of Commerce position being for sale to a spoiled rich socialite who helped devour the poor in the subprime debacle. I have much admiration for Mr. Obama but he should avoid these people. When you rub shoulders with pigs at the trough, you wind up dirty.
TB,
We've been saying this since...... We haven't had a real "For the People" lefty since Truman.
Ironic (or something) that any attempt a Democrat makes at...anything... is socialism or communism, when they are really just crony capitalists when it comes down to it. They might believe otherwise, but the Clinton triangulation puts them square in the middle politically. I don't hold much hope for an actual liberal any time soon. I look forward to Clinton (Hillary), but she's going to do the same thing.
It's not "only now" it's been ever since "the left" has been blaming it all on Bush, which goes well before the 2008 election. You know, when they started to pretend they never supported it. And all we've heard is the "cost of two unfunded wars" as droning mantras from the left for our horrible debt situation, except they just can't admit that they VOTED for those wars and the price tag that went with them.
Oh please! Bubba actually bombed Iraq in 1998, funny how that slips so many faulty lefty memories (redundant, I know). "Gore wouldn't have done that." He wouldn't have done much of anything, but sure is fun to play useless hypotheticals, huh? If the country didn't want to go to war, but their elected officials did anyway, you can't just blame one party or just one person like you're pathetically trying to do right now.
We went into Iraq with democratic leader support, and using the same reasoning that democratic leaders used to bomb Iraq in 1998. Own it, SmBusDick.
I would very much like to see Howard Dean and Robert Reich more involved. And Biden has slowly earned considerable respect in my eyes. Clinton is smart but I'm not sure how principled she is. I really like Howard Dean and Reich.
Jax,
You're confounding Democrats with "the left" and regardless, the facts are still correct: The war was a mistake, cost us, and is still costing us a LOT. Who's pretending not to have supported it? "We" didn't. Some Democrats did, the LEFT didn't and never did. And yes, that is part of the "cost of two unfunded wars" that has us in financial trouble now. If we have raised taxes (or did something) to fund the war, it wouldn't still be costing us. NOT paying for it can absolutely be laid at the feet of the Republican run Congress.
...sort of like what Obama is doing now, "he was elected" yet you're not blaming him or anything, are you....jaxass?
It was a MISTAKE, own it. (or hide, "it wasn't ALL my fault, those guys voted for it too, whimper, whimper").
"not my fault" in your avatar, perfect. Perfect hypocrisy.
TB,
Agreed. Howard Dean should have been nominated in 2004 except that stupid yelling thing. What a way to elect a President.
You know as well as I that it's a racial issue. That was confirmed to me by an Air Force general.
SmBusDick....who mentioned Obama in this thread with regards to Iraq first? Where was I blaming Obama or "Obama policies" for anything Iraq related?
Oh that's right...I wasn't! YOU brought Obama into the conversation.
Having a hard time keeping focus with all your hypocritical spinning, obviously.
Why did Obama bomb Libya and not Syria?
So it's the Republicans' fault so many Democrats voted for Iraq, and that those Democrats used the same reasoning they used for bombing Iraq in 1998? And it's the Republicans fault Obama kept the tax cuts in place, the very tax cuts he said he'd get rid of when campaigning in 2008?
Wow, the Democrats certainly are made of teflon, huh?
I find it interesting that the Liberals can't accept the FACT that Chemical Weapons are WMD's. Nuclear or Chemical they are still WMD's.
We gave them the Chemical Weapons, no one disputes that. Heck no one even disputes the fact that Saddam used them on his own people in Halabja and the Iranians.
Yet somehow we lied about invading Iraq regarding WMD's. No one could ever prove definitively they were destroyed....After 17 years was it. The UN certainly couldn't...Yet we were supposed to take the word of Saddam that he did destroy them?
Baffling, HYPOCRISY at it's best.......the Liberal way!
Jax,
Your effing avatar shows a crying Obama and "it's not my fault!!" ....all the while you're saying Iraq "is not our fault" (because some Democrats were for it). How is that not hypocritical?
Iraq WAS a mistake. Democrats going along with it, and Obama carrying forward some of the policies is not the same as INVENTING the problem in the first place.
It was a Mistake, own it. Just do it, say it was a mistake. ...or keep spinning about how these things are someone else's fault, making hypocrisy of your own avatar--doing the very thing that you are mocking with that avatar.
SmBusDick...you're pretty good at trying to put words in other people's mouths... where did I say "Iraq isn't the Republican's fault?" or that the "Republicans had nothing to do with Iraq, simply because Democratic leaders voted for and supported it?"
Point that out to me...I'll wait patiently...
As far as "inventing" the problem in Iraq? You mean Clinton didn't see their WMDs as a problem? Neither did the UN? Of course! Bush invented the WMDs in Iraq and 1441!! Bush "invented" Saddam lack of cooperation back in in 1998!!
Slave,
Hans Blix never found any, and after the invasion, we never found any. Never. We occupied the country and didn't find them. Perhaps Saddam hid them really well (/sarc). Even if he did hide them and we've still not found them, he certainly wasn't just about to use them--"hair trigger' and all-- if they were so well hidden (buried out in the desert).
Where's the "liberal hypocrisy" in any of that? Believing Saddam Hussein, as later proven by fact,and not Bush? That's just being correct, apparently.
But true to form, Republicans think searching for the right answer is traitorous, or hypocrisy I guess.
Because WMDs were the very reason Clinton used to bomb them in 1998. Are you really that obtuse, or are you just completely ignorant to Desert Fox?
Hindsight is 20/20...
The Hypocrisy is that you/liberals still refuse to admit that there was no certainty BEFORE the invasion. NONE, NADDA, ZIP...AFTER 17 years of searching....ONLY AFTER the US was in country did it become more likely.
But you keeping trying to fool yourself.....
Jax, first, stop calling me a dick. I called you a "jaxass" because I thought you said something stupid (and thought it was sort of clever). I stopped after saying once (or twice).
The point about Republicans "fault" was that you were trying to say the Democrats were part of the problem. I didn't deny it. I said it wasn't "the left" generally, but that misses the point--I didn't say you said it wasn't the Republicans fault. You just were never willing to even admit it was a mistake, regardless of whose fault it was. Clinton didn't INVADE, so it's not really the same, is it?
Whatever, I've got to take kids to hockey. Liberals have families and care for them, see?
Exactly! Clinton bombed them because Sadam wouldn't cooperate with the UN and we didn't know what their WMD capabilities were. But Clinton, Berger, Albright, Pelosi , et al were POSITIVE that Sadam had those WMDs in Dec of 1998...so military action was A-OK!!
However, those WMDs were all a great big lie in 2001 and 2002. Yup, the UN was lying, we didn't need 1441. Nope. We should have just believed Sadam...like Clinton did... ooops.
Great! I'm glad you and your same-sex partner adopted kids, that's so heart-warming. Oh no, did I just make an assumption like you've been doing? Oh, sorry.
Hey! Avenger! BULL@!$%#!! I, and many of my friends and acquaintances saw through the Bush Jr. Bull@!$%# and saw that War of Aggression for what it was: another way to justify shoveling a Trillion Dollars to Bushie's Corporate Pals.
Now, that said, where can I go to throw some old shoes at Boner?
MikeO76
"wtw of KC, you do realize this event took place in the BRITISH Parliament? You know, Britain, that country across the Atlantic, where they don't have the Republican or Democratic parties.
Typical, ill informed, partisan hack that can't help make a fool of himself. How sad!"
Mike, Mike, I’ll try to be gentle so please see my comment 1.9 for clues. But, just in case you’ve missed it….did you know that in Britain they use pound sterling, symbol £, as their official currency?
As for Democrats vs Republicans, my comment 1.10 was in a roundabout way responding to starbuck’s cleverly worded observation “It seems like the GOP party has a magnetism for shoes”, and nothing to do with where the “shoe throwing” took place.
Avenger:
Hmmm. Wonder where that impression came from.
People who listened and believe our government is honest, truthful and acts in the best interest of its country and citizens, are the ones who believed Iraq should be invaded.
Was Bremer the one who, after the initial invasion of Iraq, stupidly fired the Iraqi army and left them without any way to feed and support their families, which caused them to turn and fight against us?
I'd still like to know the government's reason for not supplying proof, any proof besides their flapping gums, of bin Laden's death. The American people paid for it; they deserve proof.
Bremer should have dropped his trousers and mooned the guy! Give him a really good target!
As for the missing WMD's, They were all smuggled into Syria and Russia prior to the beginning of ground operations. Why do you think the current administration is having a cow about the Syrian government loosing control of "their WMD's". Syria never had much in the way of chemical munitions themselves. Read the book "Saddam's Secrets" by Iraqi General G. Sada if you really want to know what happened to the WMD's.
JaxASS
I didn't make any assumptions, that was you. The facts are that you guys were WRONG and we were RIGHT. Who cares if Clinton was wrong TOO.
I call out the hypocrisy of your friggin avatar and you start crying. All you've said through the whole thread is that the Iraq war was Dems fault too (i.e. "not my fault" is exactly what YOU are saying, stupid hypocrite!)
You then go to homosexuality for some reason, which says a LOT about what's on YOUR mind, little man.
TinyBusDickInNY, NO ONE had any way of knowing who was right and who was wrong at the time. Get it?
BOTH parties, the UN, and the world assumed Sadam had weapons because A) we gave them to him B) he used them in the past and C) he wasn't cooperating with inspections. Who's been screaming "it's the other guy's fault" since the war began and we didn't find anything? That's right, the LEFT. All while ignoring how BOTH sides said something had to be done about Iraq in 1998 and then in 2001 and 2002.
That's the hypocrisy you keep missing. Get it? Of course you don't.
My wife and I, and our kids are just fine, thanks, but since you liked making assumptions all along, I just assumed you and your same-sex partner had adopted your kids, since you're so liberal. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Now you're talking about my the size of my penis? Who talks about penises except a 7th grade boy? I know you're not an 7th grader, maybe just have that level mentality.
Back to the facts. We know NOW that the war WAS a MISTAKE and you won't admit it. You just keep saying it was Democrats' fault too. I don't even disagree. Yes, it was the Democrats' fault too.
The funny part is you calling out someone else's fault (Democrats' partly at fault for Iraq), when your avatar is making fun of someone who complains about things that are someone else's fault (Obama for anything Bush). There's the hypocrisy. I'm not putting words in your mouth. You keep saying it over an over, embarrassing yourself, not me.
I didn't ask about your family. I offered that we liberals have families too, and do normal things like go to hockey games with them. You turned it into a homosexual thing, and I'm the one who's making assumptions about the other side? You are a piece of work.
Didn't Darth Vader dress up as Dick Cheney for Halloween last year?
I also find it rather humorous, and somehow fitting, that Dick Cheney aka "Tin Woodsman" holds the world record for most time spent living on a ventricular assist device, essentially an artificial heart. This was prior to receiving a heart transplant last year. During that entire time, something like a year, he had no detectable pulse.
"You can't beat our Dick!"
NonStopWhiningTinyBusDickInNY...you've been calling me JaxAss and you're the one calling me a 7th grader while you go on...and on...and on...and on.............and on.... about my avatar, and yet, you call me a hypocrite and a piece of work? Yeah, I'd say everyone's laughing AT you at this point, not that that will stop you from continuing to call me names and then whining about the name-calling thrown out at you in response, like a typical belly-aching hyporcritical liberal (redundant, I know).
Back to the FACTS....you "We were right! We were right!" idiots can't even admit that you changed your argument against the war AFTER we went into Iraq! Were any of you hypocrites that were OK with Clinton bombing Iraq in 1998 saying "Iraq DOES NOT have WMDs" at the time in 2003? Of course you weren't. You were saying catch phrases like "No blood for oil, what about Israel we let them have WMDs, why aren't we attacking all countries with chemical weapons, waaaah! waaah! waaaaah!" WMDs didn't come into the picture until after they weren't found, like the years he had to hide them or ship them off to other countries just wasn't a possibility. But then again, you'd have to admit that Clinton, Berger, Albright, Pelosi, Kerry and the entire democratic party...along with the UN and the WORLD.....DID NOT KNOW! You whiners weren't omniscient, you had NO CLUE whether Iraq DID OR DID NOT have weapons.
Of course you still can't admit it, so, I'm sure your next post will be more hypocritical name-calling (after whining about the name-calling you get) and about my avatar....but it sure wont' be dealing about the subject at hand, that's for sure....you know, how you just can't admit how democrats VOTED for Iraq and how whiners like you HAD NO CLUE as to whether Sadaam had WMDs or not and how you changed your argument AFTER the fact...you'll just keep screaming "I'm right, I'm right because hindsight is 20/20!"
Keep it coming, Sparky! I can point out your hypocrisy and whining as long as necessary.
Taunting a shoe thrower is not very diplomatic and can escalate the situation, oh wait he only has two shoes.......
Tho only reason those muslims need for throwing shoes is you have to be an American. They hate us 24/7 !
funny, sandra. We attacked Iraq. Iraq did NOT attack us. Ever.
Yeah, it's 'those muslims'.
notsojingo, Libya didn't attack us either, but that didn't stop Barry from bombing them, without Congressional approval no less. Dems like Hillary, Biden, Reid, and Kerry all VOTED for Iraq...and for the same reasons they approved it being bombed in 1998, you know, the WMDs that were real then but somehow a great big lie in 2001 and 2002. Libya did wind up attacking our embassy afterwards, though, huh?
Libya was a UN mission which we are a member.
The authorization to bomb Iraq was not taken in 1998, it was voted on october 10 and 11, 2002.
On Oct. 10 and 11, 2002, the US House of Representatives and the US Senate, respectively, voted on HJRes 114, the "Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002" (58 KB) . This legislation, authorizing President George W. Bush to "use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate" against Iraq, was passed by 70% of the House and Senate.
Please look up Desert Fox instead of embarrassing yourself even further.
Jax A, Jax A, Jax A; you know you are just confusing them with Facts [how dare you sir]. They are now and always will be in a state of denial because that is where they want to stay. It is comfy for them. I agree with you, but I still wonder how much longer it will be before their current living God whom idolizes Chavez, declares himself King for life here on our shores ...
I've never read this posted, so I may be the first: CLINTON Lied, People Died!
The Henry jackson Society is a British neoconservative "think tank" dedicated to promoting a war in Iran. Apparently, the war in Iraq did not cause enough damage to America for these people. This proves Bremer was a neocon and his gig in Iraq was reward for his support. Check out this list:
The group is also supported by a list of “International Patrons,” who are
prominently featured on HJS’s website and are largely neoconservative. Patrons
include: Max Boot of the Council on Foreign
Relations; Michael Chertoff, former
head of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security; Carl Gershman, head of the National
Endowment for Democracy; Max Kampleman, a
retired U.S. diplomat who has supported the work of Freedom House and the Jewish
Institute for National Security Affairs; William Kristol, editor of the Weekly Standard; Bruce Jackson,
founder of the Committee for the
Liberation of Iraq; Robert Kagan,
cofounder with Kristol of the Project for the New
American Century; Clifford May of the
Foundation for the
Defense of Democracies; Richard
Perle, a Ronald Reagan-era assistant secretary of defense and coauthor with
David Frum of the 2003 book An End to
Evil: How to Win the War on Terror; Joshua Muravchik, a scholar at the American Enterprise
Institute; and former CIA director James
Woolsey.[4]
These people are as bad as it gets. They are ruthless and will stop at nothing to achieve their goals of world domination, with Israel as the full partner, despite Israel only providing clandestine support on a limited basis. On 9/11, they were the ones who rigged the WTCs to fall into their own footprints.
Imagine, they even have a media wing, dedicated to propaganda.
He wouldn't be throwing any shoe if he was wearing a Micheal Jordan basketball shoes.
And the WMD witch hunt continues, Sandra?
while i appreciate the gesture, i hope the gentleman got his shoe back. Brenner is the worst of all that America has to offer in the name of war profiteering and war mongering.
He made a fortune off the Invasion of Iraq. It just seems to me like some country should have the right to charge some of these men for War Crimes. I simply don't understand how a group of people can lead us into a needless war that kills hundreds of thousands and all we can give them ...is a.....uh..oh.....ooops....sorry we destroyed your country and killed your families, we thought you had some guns or sumpin'.................
Great points. Below I posted my view which is similar. The American Sheeple do not get it...Bremer, Cheney, and the Bush team siphoned off Billions from Iraq. They didn't give a crap for the Iraq people. And don't forget the LAST ACT OF GW BUSH before he left office--HE GAVE THE IRAQ PEOPLE'S OIL TO EXXON, SHELL, TOTAL, CHEVRON, ETC. Why did we kill 500,000 innocent men women and children--easy answer because the Bush's Cabal told the military to get rid of all small landholders and property owners in case they challenged the give away of their oil in the US Courts or World Court later on.....
Couldn't have happened to a more better man than little george's former Iraqi Viceroy.
And thats my opinion
Oh, that really happened? It appears most Americans do not acknowledge the many things which are under that mountain of a carpet Our Rulers sweep anything and everything under, all with the approving ignorance of more and more Citizens. I really was holding out hope that the kids coming up would prove me wrong as to their level of observational powers, but they are even worse than their parents. You know the Old Saying...
It is a testiment to the coming times. They are NOT going to be good for us.
We are @!$%#ed in the places that are most vital for Our Survival as a Nation and a Leader in Improving the World. Starting with intelligence. Since when is destroying and stealing something that a US Envoy, current or past, holds up as a Positive?!?! And scorns an individual while insulting the very Nation he was a Key Player in decimating???
Personally, I would have preferred the guy walk up to Bremer with a steel toe boot, swing it like a bat, and crack him between the eyes.
Great position. You must be pro-Hussien. I suppose you've never seen the video evidence against him that included acid torture, whippings, beatings, hand choppings, finger choppings, bone breaking, throwing people from tall buildings and watching their broken bodies squirm after impact. Saddam was a great leader if you like that sort of leadership. Wiki 'Crimes against humainty, Saddam Hussein videos" if you have the guts to watch them.
How deeply ironic that the people in the middle east clamour for democracy and accuse the west of supporting dictatorships. Then when the most ruthless of them is toppled, and they are allowed to rebuild a new government of their choosing, this is how they act. When the French helped the Americans in their revolution, they were praised for their progressiveness. But when Americans help overthrow Hussein and Ghaddafi...
It seems that the muslim Arabs and Iranians hate the infidel Americans so much that even when they help topple a ruthless, well financed dictator, they are more than willing to assassinate their ambassadors...or throw shoes at them.
What a pathetic gaggle of whiners, conspiracy theorists, religious bigots, and terrorists.
Is it any wonder that America has completely backed away from the "democracy" movement in Syria.
The real shame is not in Bremer, but in the terrorist who threw the shoe. Perhaps the west should pick up the barbaric habit of throwing shoes at Muslim leaders, or hijacked fly planes into their monumental architecture.
SHould have thrown a shoe bomb.
Hearts and minds, eh Bremer?
BTW, where did the money go?
How a 24-Year-Old Got a Job Rebuilding Iraq's Stock Market - http:// online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB107524435490013389,00.html
"At Yale University, Jay Hallen majored in political science, rarely watched
financial news stations and didn't follow the stock market. -
Mr. Hallen admits that he wound up in Iraq rather by accident. In 2002, he
began pursuing a White House job, and though none materialized, he stayed in
close contact with the man who interviewed him, Reuben Jeffrey. When Mr. Jeffrey
went to Iraq last summer as a senior economic-development adviser, Mr. Hallen
e-mailed to ask whether there were any job openings. "Be careful what you wish
for," Mr. Jeffrey, who is now an aide to Iraqi administrator Paul Bremer, told
him in reply. A few weeks later, Mr. Hallen got a phone call from a Pentagon personnel
officer, who told him he had been given a job in the Coalition Provisional
Authority and needed to be in Baghdad in less than a month. "Needless to say, I
was in a mild state of shock," he says. Mr. Hallen, who graduated in 2001, has spent the past few months in a crash course in high finance."
http:// www truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/item/495-dnc-bush-cronies-unqualified-but-well-connected
"These GOP allies were given jobs based on their political service in campaigns not their experience or expertise in the respective areas of reconstruction including security, health care and finance. - Jay Hallen, aged 24, was tapped by Jim O'Beirne to reopen the Iraqi stock exchange, despite having no background in finance.
Bush Cronies: Unqualified But Well Connected - http:// www truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/item/495-dnc-bush-cronies-unqualified-but-well-connected
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You asked where did all the money go, the answer is down deep rabbit holes which fund covert operations outside of Gov oversight.
Richard, I have no reason to question your assertions, I would only question your suggestion this is some type of GOP problem. If you you don't think this goes on every day in Democratic administrations, your inability to see the political realities that we live with today is astounding.
Bremer was a hack who never should have been in Iraq. He is the one person that is most responsible or why we were there for so long because he decided he knew better than the real professionals what Iraq needed and destroyed so much goodwill.
Ask ANY career diplomat or senior military person and they will all say the same thing: Bremer was to Iraq what "Heckofa Job Brownie" was to Katrina. Totally inexperienced political appointees in way over their heads and too stupid and arrogant to know or admit it.
And yes, we all should wonder how many millions of the billions in cash that went missing ended up in who's hands in the end...........
While I shall not defend Saddam Hussein or his Gov. I applaud the shoe-thrower in respect for his Patriotic convictions. The Bush Admin & Paul Bremer, administrator of the Coalition Provisional Authority of Iraq destroyed a Nation which had not attacked our Nation nor was a threat to our National Security. In fact, Iraq was the Dam which divided Iran & it's allies in Syria. The Bush Admin inflamed the entire Middle East and made it far more dangerous by their illegal War & occupation.
Historical facts really can ruin a good rant, huh?
jaxa- it's funny how selective memory works eh? I never hear clintons name mentioned when you hear anyone rant about Iraq. It seems little georgie boy did this ALL ON HIS OWN,with no approval from congress(he must've been out for oil,haha).The MAJORITY of democrats that voted to go into Iraq MUST BE FORGOTTEN,right? They will never accept ANY of the BLAME,it's all republican and noone else. LIVS(low information voters suck) will always blame someone else, look how they support our FAILURE IN CHIEF(it's all bushes fault,even the financial meltdown that clinton started)
Too bad he only had two shoes to throw!
A waste of good leather on a rotten egg .............
And they wear those pointed shoes.. Bet that would hurt!
We could do better wilthout Bremer.
From the BBC the man wasn't from the Middle East. Just another nut trying to get two seconds of fame from the press. Thankfully he is living in a Country where he won't be killed for his actions unlike most in the Middle East.
China sure appreciates all the Iraqi oil they are getting, along with rebuilding and modernizing all the refineries.
Darth Cheney had promised this work to Halliburton but the Iraqis screwed him by taking bids - China was the highest bidder. To this day, Cheney is livid!
that guy has always been a dick...
well yah. he is a rethuglican....
Bremer go off easy--a couple of shoes thrown at him when he should have been hanged like his mentors the Nazis. He was the go between to funnel over $8 Billion in cash that was found in Iraq banks and Saddam's palaces into Swiss and Cayman bank accounts for people very high in the US Command and government. His model was the fortunes in gold and cash which the Vietnamese Governors i.e. Nyuen Ky and LBJ's team funneled out of Vietnam over the years we were there. This model is being used today by the Obama government to funnel more billions out of Afghanistan. The plane leaving there just before the last load of GI's will have aboard Karzai and Billions in dollars he has siphoned off. He will head off to an African country which will have a nice fat bank waiting to stash the money.
Maybe next time Bremer will try to catch a .45 cal round coming his way--those things are really hard to catch and like STD's can cause one to get very ill when doing so.....
Your promoting killing someone because you don't like them. Much like a terrorist who believes the same way from the Middle East.
It is my opinion that attacking, murdering Hussein and his crew did nothing more than to destroy the social fabric and order that existed under his rule. Even though we might not have agreed with the way he ran the country there were no terrorist since they all feared him. Now we have a broken down oil producing country filling up daily with terrorists by the hundreds. I fear we have done more harm than good. If the people of Iraq were sick and tired of Saddam's rule they would have revolted which would have included the military. Dubya, Cheney and minions have truly left a legacy that will take generations to settle into a simile of a country be it a democracy, dictatorship or theocracy. The prior administration has disrupted the Middle East to the point of collapse wherein before there was law and order but not to our liking. The oil still flowed our way instead of to China and anyplace but the USA. We are now paying for it by having to use our reserves not like we have been planning for over 50 years. They were to run out first. The joke is on the USA. Another gottcha. This is what happens when people of mediocre IQ are elected to run this country in partnership with evangelicals and greed.
We must stay out of the business of social engineering and presidents who wage wars for personal vendettas. When we, the USA, ever learn social engineering and meddling in other countries whose belief systems different than ours does not work to our advantage but in the end our disadvantage? This is what I leave you, my fellow countrymen to reflect upon. We the People are just as guilty as the people who we elected to lead us.
Sheds light on our collective IQ as a nation, and the marketing of candidates!
I'm just glad we lucked out, and didn't get a preacher "this time".
And all this time i thought the dems/libs were the ones "leaning forward"...but all you talk about is hate, killing, jealousy, pettiness, racism...
Carter was probably the brightest intellect in the White House in the last 50 years. Didn't work out so well. It takes more than a high IQ.
I wonder why Iraq would look like right now if Sadam H. was still in power? I saw a news report on PBS-Sadam had some doctors in his country who he ordered their hands be cut off because they wouldn't agree to do the torturing of his own people. There were at least 6 surgeons in the group who had their hands cut off. Maybe one of his 54 children will take the country back to that time again.
And you wouldn't care one bit. We had Saddam bottled up with no-fly zones to the north and south. The atrocities alone could never have justified an invasion, no matter how egregious. That leaves the oil and the profiteering.
So that's why so many dems (like Biden, Reid, Hillary, Kerry, et al) voted for it?
Yeah, that's right Jax. The good people of America are out numbered by the bad people of America now, and Obama was elected.
Thank you for throwing something at this pile. China will also get the rare earths from Afbastardtan. They can wait until all the Americans are killed since our Dear Leaders here in North Koreamerica have the divine rite of gods. USA, where lack of progress is our only product and the shining city on the hill that proves democracy and capitalism is a big, fat flop!
If you hate this Country so much why do you stay? Perhaps moving to the Middle East would be more to your liking
I believe your views are flawed regarding America. It is the Leadership which has caused this stain on our great Nations reputation. Just like Magic, it' neither Good nor Evil, it is how the individual chooses to use it.
The Man Who Would Be Viceroy.
i rather be presidentroy...
There are many who agree with the Iraqi man. While Hussein was no angel, he did keep the country in peace, and the tribes at bay. There are less destructive, more intelligent ways to affect change than war. After the war began, an Iraqi man was quoted as saying that he understood why the Americans were in his country: they wanted to destroy it so they could make money building it up. It's interesting that this man understood exactly the motivation for the war far better than many U.S. citizens, who continue to delude themselves. Now we bomb with robots - illegal, sterile, indescriminate, indifferent. When will we mind our own business (which seriously needs intelligent and reasoned minding), and not that of others? We do indeed inflame others and continue to make matters worse, not better. When will our tax money be used for us, and not be used to line the pockets of corporate war profiteers whose only existance is to slaughter? Many agree with this man.
Uh, somebody's brain is rotting. The USA made a big mistake by invading Iraq. Nothing, not one damn good thing came of it.
Russian -f you recaall, Iraq drew "insurgents" from all over the middle east to fight the evil Americans, much as a magnet atttracts iron filings. The insurgents were who the "war on terror" targetted. Having them all in one place was actually a solid plan.
Cynaical, but effective. One damn gooo thing, perhaps.
Create an enemy and gain the spoils.
Phenren, looks like your brain is moldy from the bush brainwashing job.
Amazing that anyone would invite this vile piece of garbage to speak. What are those Brits thinking?
And why hasn't The Hague issued an arrest warrant for this war criminal???
LMAO
Would the more civilized countries of the world just leave the Muslim's alone. Let them kill themselves off as is their desire and wishes. All the countries that try and assist will just be dead infidels if they have their way so screw them and the Muhammad they rode in on.
As soon a Muslim Terrorist stop attacking our Country and people around the world. This didn't start with 9-11, but has been going on from 1801 on. Remember the Shores of Tripoli? 9-11 wasn't the first time the World Trade Center was attacked it also was bombed by Muslim Terrorist in 1993. One of the bombers fled back to Iraq. Remember the Terrorist attack at the Olympics in 72 or the attacks on our citizens in Aircrafts as well on none military ships.
Some even thought and said the same as you before Japan attacked us, and look at the cost of lives when we should have been in Germany sooner. Isolationism does not work now and never has. Take the fight to them where they train, and get their funding plus supplies. Let them know we will not condone any attack on our Country or citizens of this Country.
Never trust a guy who puts an initial in front of his real name!
This guy was a stooge. He pushed through, I mean forced through, some disastrous policies in the early days of the US occupation of Iraq. His moves caused irreparable damage to Iraq.
We destroy their country ,and when they protest by the insult of throwing shoes what happens ? What else we silence them while talking about how we liberated THEIR country to make it safer for democracy.
Wow, we have some real traitors on this board! Lucky if you live in US- you can at least get away with insulting your own country. Under Saddam Hussein, you would be hung for treason, which is pretty much what you are committing.
Criticizing your nation is treason? So...dissent is treason? That's exactly what Saddam and Hitler and Stalin and Kim would say. Congratulations, you're in good company.
lightning 79 = idiot ... by your ignorant line of thinking,lighting a match is arson
Most who use the term "Treason" on this site have no clue as to the definition of the word.
No shoes without background checks.
Shoes don't kill people! They kill cows and alligators. . .
Was that an assault style shoe or real assault shoe?...that is the question
Iraq was an invasion based on Bush family retaliation at Saddam. The other excuses , have some limmited merits, but in whole they lack as a reason to decimate the entire nation.
All blame is not to be fairly placed on any one person, as many ammunition dumps were released to the public, so that all the radical factions were well armed. Many buildings were destroyed in attempts to destroy weapons caches, and those controlling them. Neighborhoods were destroyed to clear out resistance fighters. A lot of dammage was self inflicted , by waring factions, and even more infrastructure was destroyed by rebells, against the temporary governments.
So what happened to the hundreds of millions of dollars captured from Saddams regiem? The semi loads of cash? The money to rebuild the country went into the hands of crooks, and thievs, and contractors who cant seem to add or measure.
Does anyone see nation building happening on the planet any where besides China?
I see a lot of countries being reverse engineered, outright decimated, or financialy hijacked. But I dont see any real good happening anywhere. The USA cant even hold a line in the sand, and has to BS its people into thinking its getting better, while its slipping down a bottomless hole.
Who is most responsable for the entire mess? That would be the man that says he takes full responsability, and that is George Bush Jr. What does personal responsability mean? It means leaving the presidency in a financial cesspool, and hiding from the public eye for the rest of his life, with a @!$%# eating grin. I can tell when the man lies, it happens when he gives that stupid looking grin, you know the one he is ALLWAYS grinning.
Well, there we have it on good authority, bush was the fault of the iraq war....sheesh, some people!
You mean all the dems (like Hillary herself, John Kerry, Joe Biden, et al) who voted for it have no responsibility? So when the dems used WMDs as the reason for bombing Iraq in 1998 as well as the reason to support invasion in the vote in 2002, they didn't have any "responsibility?"
Explain how that works.
Too bad he didn't have more shoes.
Maybe you can send him yours,if you can get them out your mouth.
There is something to be said for Sadaam's way of doing things. At least we wouldn't have to listen to a bunch of yellow, traitor scum on this vine. They'd all be fertilizing daisies which is abiout all they are good for.