
Khalil Hamra / AP
Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, seen here during a visit to Egypt on Thursday, is fighting for his political future, experts say.
News analysis
Published at 4:10 a.m. ET: He has become the world’s biggest bogeyman for many in the West — infamous for calling for Israel to be wiped from the map, describing the Holocaust as "a myth" and, allegedly, seeking a nuclear bomb.
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was once almost untouchable at home in Iran — daring even to challenge Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. But in recent days he has come under such a severe attack from rivals that some experts now believe he is "finished."
However, it seems clear that Ahmadinejad will go down fighting "like Scarface" in the words of one analyst.
After two terms, the former Revolutionary Guard must stand down ahead of Iran’s presidential election in June. Ahmadinejad appears to be hoping that a supporter will succeed him in office, enabling him to retain some power.
On Feb. 3, the Iranian parliament crossed a line with Ahmadinejad by dismissing one of his allies, the EAWorldView website reported.
Ahmadinejad went on the attack on the floor of the parliament, threatening to make public one of his secret files he claims to have on his rivals. "Should I tell? Should I tell?" he said, according to a translation on EAWorldView.
The speaker of parliament, the powerful Ali Larijani, called his bluff, saying: "Go ahead." It later emerged that the audio tape that supposedly exposed corruption involving Larijani’s brother Fazel was inaudible. The humiliating episode was broadcast live on Iranian radio.
Professor Scott Lucas, who edits EAWorldView, said he believed Ahmadinejad was effectively "finished."
Once upon a time, the president’s threats had kept his rivals in check. But "what happened this week showed they’re not scared enough to back down," Lucas added.
'Sulked'
Lucas, a professor at Birmingham University in England, said that in addition to making enemies in parliament, Ahmadinejad had flouted Khamenei’s power.
He even tried to take over the Ministry of Intelligence in 2011. "That’s the supreme leader’s domain. He was smacked down for that firmly and then he boycotted his duties. … He went and sulked," Lucas said.
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad discusses freedom of expression, insults against Islam and the fatwa against author Salman Rushdie in a meeting with reporters on Monday, two days before his final address to the U.N. General Assembly as president.
Reza Marashi, research director of the National Iranian American Council, said it was "way too early" to write Ahmadinejad’s political obituary.
"He’s not going to go down without a fight — here’s a guy putting at least some of the regime’s dirty laundry out," he said. "He’s kind of like Scarface at the end of the movie."
Marashi, who worked for four years in the Office of Iranian Affairs at the State Department and was also a political consultant in Tehran, said Ahmadinejad’s exchange with Larijani was meant as only "a warning shot."
"At the end of the day, he knows too much," he added.
The president sparked headlines in the West when he said on Monday — the day after the confrontation in parliament — that he wanted to be an astronaut on the first manned Iranian space flight.
“It was completely missed here [in the West] that that was meant for domestic consumption,” Marashi said.
He said Ahmadinejad was really sending a message to his internal enemies: “You want to take me out … I’m willing to die.”
Former U.S. Ambassador John Limbert, now a professor of international affairs at the U.S. Naval College, was held hostage in Iran with 51 other Americans after Islamist students took over the American Embassy in 1979. During his captivity, he met Khamenei in an encounter that was filmed.
He is married to an Iranian, is a scholar of Persian poetry and has had connections with the country for some 50 years.
Seeking martyrdom?
Limbert said the deck appeared “pretty much stacked against” Ahmadinejad, but added “you have to say he’s going to go down fighting.”
"There’s a wonderful word in Persian … 'serteq.' It means 'just doesn’t take any crap from anybody,' 'provokes confrontation,' 'rather than walks through a door, bangs his head against the wall,'" Limbert said.
"That’s a word that to me describes him. It's … pejorative, but also there’s a certain admiration for somebody who doesn’t bend," he added.
Limbert said Ahmadinejad might even be trying to provoke his enemies to attempt to unseat him before the election, possibly in the hope of turning himself into a martyr figure.
These internal struggles are likely to hurt efforts to end the standoff between the West and Iran over Tehran’s nuclear program before the June election.
Iran insists its program is for peaceful purposes, the West and Israel fear it wants to build a nuclear bomb, a concern that has raised the prospect of airstrikes to take out its nuclear facilities.
But will a new president help or hinder the negotiations? Possible contenders named by several experts were Khamenei's foreign policy advisor Ali Akbar Velayati, former Speaker Gholam-Ali Haddad Adel and Mohammad-Bagher Ghalibaf, the mayor of Tehran.
Fariborz Ghadar, a senior adviser at the Center for Strategic & International Studies, held a vice-ministerial position in the government of the Shah, which was ousted by the revolution that brought the ayatollahs to power.
He said Ghalibaf had done a "very good job of managing Tehran" and would "be a better manager of the economy than Ahmadinejad was."
But he said he thought Iran’s relations with the West would be "probably the same" if Ghalibaf came to power.
While there might be a temporary boost with the departure of the Holocaust-denying Ahmadinejad, Ghadar feared the Western media would soon turn on Ghalibaf or whoever triumphs in the election. "It will probably be good until we get somebody else totally demonized," he said.
But Ghadar was also not quite prepared to rule out Ahmadinejad’s faction, saying someone might stay quiet until they got through the vetting process to become a presidential candidate, then signal they were sympathetic toward his camp.
The opposition Green movement is currently "out of the picture," Ghadar said, but its supporters might back such a candidate over a strict religious conservative — an unusual alliance given the protests amid Green faction claims that the last presidential election was rigged in Ahmadinejad’s favor.
Whether this is his strategy is unclear.
But, like Marashi, Ghadar also said he believed Ahmadinejad might still have a chance.
"I think Ahmadinejad still has a couple of bullets in his gun," he said, "although they are not as powerful as before."
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There are no limits to imagine in Islamic fantasy islands and bark, bark and bark all around!
This Mahmoud is another one!
Saddam was equally good or better in barking.
Just see: how bravely Saddam was fighting in his last days!
"“He’s not going to go down without a fight – here’s a guy putting at least some of the regime’s dirty laundry out,” he said. “He’s kind of like Scarface at the end of the movie.”"
It makes no difference: how long this tenth century megalomaniac Shiite nut fights or how he goes down the tube like many others before him!
No Kim Jong-il, no Castro, no Chavez, no Ahmadinejad, America is beginning to lose her best enemies.
May he die as scarface did as well.
Keep denying that the holocaust existed. Keep believing in your muhammed, the pedophile that he was. Keep burying yourself in your militant religion. All he is anyway is the puppet of the cleric.
LIVE BY THE SWORD, DIE BY THE SWORD. May they bury him in pig poop, wrapped in pork.
Why doesn't our "fearless leader" send a drone to exterminate him?
Assad's father invented Hezbollah and the current Assad has kept it alive.
Brave Hezbollah Shiite holy warriors along with other Muslim sects people and tribes did genocides of Christians mercilessly/barbarically in Lebanon!
Now their master Assad is neck deep in trouble from Sunni Syrian rebels.
Are the brave Hezbollah Shiite holy warriors hiding behind niqabs/burkhas of women or some basements of Shiite mosques?
In the same way, these Iranian Ayotollahs, rulers like "Monkey" Mahmouds can do brave loud singings, dances and dramas!
Shiites should have put down Sunni Syrian rebellion in no time, if they were really brave and good at keeping ten percent of what they loudly claim!
Even here they are shameless!
wilsonarden
Sell some shoes to Ahmadinijad....CEMENT SHOES
Back to the story, Ahmadinijad is really just a puppet of Khamenei. Unfortunately for Ahmadinijad, the puppet has been speaking for itself.. he is done.
I would like to think the Green party could take advantage of the situation to overthrow the clerics, but I think they already have their next President lines up and he will be elected in a "fair" decision, probably monitored by Jimmy Carter,
"The president sparked headlines in the West when he said on Monday – the day after the confrontation in parliament – that he wanted to be an astronaut on the first manned Iranian space flight."
We should make President Ahmadinejad's dreams come true. Lets help Ahmadinejad team up with Kim Jong-un and they can ride a North Korean rocket into orbit together ;)
Two problems fixed with one solution. Is this a great world or what................? :)
He will be "re-elected" with a majority just like his Muslim brother BHO.
"he wanted to be an astronaut on the first manned Iranian space flight."
I don't think Ahmadinejad would qualify - they've already sent a monkey.
@Industrial Strength,
"He will be "re-elected" with a majority just like his Muslim brother BHO."
Not familiar with Iranian elections are you? Not to mention your reading comprehension sucks Harry Balz. As STATED IN THE ARTICLE:
"After two terms, the former Revolutionary Guard must stand down ahead of Iran’s presidential election in June. Ahmadinejad appears to be hoping that a supporter will succeed him in office, enabling him to retain some power."
Didn't stop you from making a retarded BHO comment though did it ? Can you read this or do I need to get out my REALLY BIG CRAYON and start over for you - LOLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
You are such a Genius- LOLZZZZZZ
SO Ajminhabad is going to do massive amounts of cocaine and dress horribly?
Go for it!
Reading some of these quotes by Ahmahnutjob has to make you wonder if he ever really grew up and would appear to be nothing more than a cheap blackmailer. Is this how he got to be prez???
And I certainly wouldn't credit him with half the bravado of Tony Montana. Good gravy...they actually said "Scarface"??? hahahahahahaha ☺
You wanna f#@k with me? Okay. You wanna play rough? Okay. Say hello to my little friend!
Say hello to my little friends.
That's life... That's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April, shot down in May...
Frank Sinatra
Since Moe has had his term in office, which Stooge is next? Larry, Curly or Shemp?
Scarface huh? He has proven time and time again what a coward he is and the only 'little friend' he has is between his legs.
Would that lil friend be Hillary?
nittyahoo befits your description of the man.
As much as he is hated, it is funny that someone hasn't taken him out already, unless they are scared of who might replace him.
They need to replace their whole govt, get off the religious kick. The same can be said about the GOP and their right wing nut jobs, AKA Bilble thumpers.
thinkerer,
This is good, but there are other "identified effects" to strive to, other than a hypothetical presence and an imaginary eternal existence.
You people are so strupid this is sickening. More so than usual today.
ACCORDING TO ONE ANALYST ..... Huh ? What analyst ? So Ahmedinejad didn't say the words " like scarface" it seems. This "one analyst" is your source and you believe it ?
He never said the words. So you a$$wipes are now homing in on something an analyst said and reacting to it ?
The american public can be PLAYED like an old haggered fiddle .... Marching to the sad tune of israeli domination and media control. PITIFUL ....
Conrad, you're on the wrong thread.
@Independent thinker- It's not that we're knocking him because he believes something. Actually, he DENIES many truths, like the holocaust, or that Israel is a nation. We "knock him down" (as you say) because he is a tool for the cleric. We knock him because he is a hardleft militant muslim. We knock him because he is who he is, a person who has made his people suffer in the pursuit of nuclear ambitions, which by the way one must be a complete fool to think he is actually pursuing for peaceful means. We aren't knocking him "because" he believes in something, as you say. We knock him for WHAT he believes, the lies he creates, the peoples lives he flushes down the toilet. He is scum. If you think this guy is so great, I challenge you... seriously... to go live under his iron fist in Iran. Give it two years, if you're even still alive at the end of that time, which would be nothing short of a miracle, then please, come back here and tell us what a wonderful man of beliefs he is.
p.s. There is a reason why 98 percent of Iran has an 'active' muslim religious population... it's because it's a forced religion.
@Conrad - Bashing the american public ?? Please, what is your point? Do we at least have the choice to make up our own minds? (Ahmedidouch doesn't even allow his people that). Again, anyone who sticks up for this piece of garbage should go do the research on his beliefs and how he treats his own people. Oh, and if you want to bash the american public... it puts you closer in line with Ahmedinejan than with American philosophy, you know, the ability to have an opinion. Same advice I gave to the "independent thinker"... go live there for two years, just two...then come back and voice your opinion.
@independentthinker - Oh, and I realize you are responding to Sally-Ann's Bible thumper comment, but Ahmedijan is a person of faith as well. The point that Sally Ann is allowed to say such a thing proves my point. I'm hard right wing, but she is allowed her opinion, as you are allowed yours. But understand, just because someone can be labeled a person of faith, doesn't make them immune to "bashing" or being "put down." There are many bad things that have been done in the name of faith.
Freedom of speech promotes arguments.
STRUPID???
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Say hello to my little friend!!!!
So, Ahmadinejad admits he will kill anyone who gets in his way. Maybe he actually should be the first Iranian to ride one of their own missiles into space. I seriously doubt he understands what a fool he appears to be making such stupid comments.
The President of Iran isn't the problem. It's the guy in the black turban pulling his strings.
They are both problems. One is a puppet, the other a dictator posing as a cleric.
@astounding,
"They are both problems." - Amen (NOT in a religious sense either)
"One is a puppet" - Like an even more evil Chucky Doll puppet maybe.
His country man are just mad at him because he was the first Iranian in space!
We all know how it ended for Scarface. Let the games begin. BuhBye. The world will be a better place without you and so will the people of Iran.
Let me start by saying that this headline title makes us look as angry bithces hurling words at a leader ofg a country. THAT is a very jewish and israeili thing to do. When you don't like the message, they attack the messenger en masse.
From the comments I read, the plan seems to be working... Most of you jump on that bandwagon and make yourselves look totally stupid trying to be funny with your inane one liners.
Please understand that the rest of the world is not this DISRESPECTFUL. In fact, once you behave like an angry jewish botch, the rest of the world will "realize" what a moron you are and stop talking to you. Only americans and israel;is behave this way.
Don't whine when we are shunned and isolated in the future. This is just going to get worse while we are being led around by our noses by the folks with the biggest chip on their shoulder (and noses) ...
The truth is: Iran is NOT our enemy. israel is the real enemy working behind the scenes to our detriment. REALIZE IT !!!
Conrad, it's refreshing to see that someones eyes are open. You are right, Iran is not our enemy, Zionism is the real enemy of the US. Saying that Ahmadinejad said that Israel needs to be wiped of the map is a poor interpretation of what was meant by that statement. Just more spin by MSM's zionist handlers.
I am not anti-semite, I am anti-zionist.
It's always the same with you guys, SPIN, SPIN, SPIN!!!
@worn out - haha, "Zionism is our enemy." That is the funniest comment I've ever seen. I don't know anyone who would rather live next to a muslim than a jewish or christian person. In fact, I don't care if people are atheist, but you know what, a muslim says that any NON-Muslim is their enemy, that includes Zionists, Christians, Jews, Atheist...etc. Go read the Quran some more you muslim, then post how many times it preaches beheadings SPECIFICALLY TOWARD NON MUSLIM. I'd rather see islam (all militants, the fact that they even have to be referred to as "moderate or extreme muslims" proves my point) exterminated. Islam is a militant religion.
Deny it? Tell me, what religion do they NOT have a war with? In Pakistan/India they've got nukes pointed at the Hindu. They tear down buddhist shrines every oppurtunity they get, no matter historical significance. They obviously have had a war with Christians and Jews since their founding, and furhtermore, the Quran preaches violence toward religious groups and races.
FACT: Islam is a militant religion, which calls for the extermination of everyone non muslim.
This is for your benefit: (and yes I know it's a long annoying post, but that's my point, that's the extent to which islam preaches violence.)
The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with
nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with
commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be
hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called
'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join
the slaughter.
Unlike nearly all of the Old
Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly
open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by the historical context of
the surrounding text. They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah,
and just as relevant or subjective as anything else in the Quran.
Most of today's Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy
book's many calls to violence according to what their own moral preconceptions
find justificable. Apologists cater to their preferences with tenuous arguments
that gloss over historical fact and generally do not stand up to scrutiny.
Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people,
but bad ideology.
Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate
or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued
until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed.
Muhammad's own martial legacy - and that of his companions - along with the
remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran have produced a trail of blood
and tears across world history.
The Quran:
Quran
(2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of
the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of
Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if they
desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until
persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah." The historical
context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and
his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by
their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in
that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later
did). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is thus disingenuous (the actual Muslim words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse). The actual Arabic comes from "fitna" which can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. Taken as a whole, the context makes clear that violence is being authorized until "religion is for Allah" - ie.
unbelievers desist in their unbelief.
Quran
(2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth
and knoweth all things."
Quran
(2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed
for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which
is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah
knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence
can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only
in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time.
From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad
was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding
merchant caravans for loot.
Quran
(3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible
agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to
help."
Quran
(3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers,
for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no
authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes
Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly
believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').
Quran
(4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this
world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he
victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are
unlike the early Christians, led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are
killed in battle, as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause
of Allah. Here is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.
Quran
(4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"
Quran
(4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus
be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until
they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn
renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case)
take no friends or helpers from their ranks."
Quran
(4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no
hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and
their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight
with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in
Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He
distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-" This
passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting
them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes. It also demolishes the
modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a
spiritual struggle. Not only is the Arabic word used in this passage, but it is
clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically
disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to
be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad and
this is reflected in other translations of the verse).
Quran
(4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer
pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..." Is pursuing
an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?
Quran
(5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His
messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should
be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on
opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for
them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous
chastisement"
Quran
(8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve.
Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No
reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.
Quran
(8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle,
turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them,
unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath
incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's
end."
Quran
(8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder,
unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah" Some translations
interpret "fitna" as "persecution", but the traditional understanding of this
word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for 2:293, also).
The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj.
Other Muslims were allowed to travel there - just not as an armed group, since
Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also
acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad's intention to
destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence
the critical part of this verse is to fight until "religion is only for
Allah", meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of
the opposition. According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further
explains that "Allah must have no rivals."
Quran
(8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to
strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."
Quran
(8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can
outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all
thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay
the enemy of Allah and your enemy."
Quran
(8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."
Quran
(9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the
idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie
in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay
the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." According to this verse, the
best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam (prayer
(salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion's Five
Pillars). This popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the
context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since
the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack. Had they
been, then there would have been no waiting period (earlier verses make it a
duty for Muslims to fight in self-defense, even during the sacred months). The
historical context is Mecca after the idolaters were subjugated by
Muhammad and posed no threat. Once the Muslims had the power, they violently
evicted those unbelievers who would not convert.
Quran
(9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them
to disgrace..."
Quran
(9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with
their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's
sight. These are they who are triumphant." The Arabic word interpreted as
"striving" in this verse is the same root as "Jihad". The context is obviously
holy war.
Quran
(9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold
that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor
acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book,
until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
"People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews. According to this
verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being
their religious status. This was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and
it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's
companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100
years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.
Quran
(9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians
say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they
imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how
they are turned away!"
Quran
(9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye
are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do
ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of
this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish
you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place." This is a
warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.
Quran
(9:41) - "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your
wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but
knew." See also the verse that follows (9:42)
- "If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would
(all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed)
on them" This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in
self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long
distance from home (in another country and on Christian soil, in this case,
according to the historians).
Quran
(9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the
hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the
destination." Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims
that they are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter.
It also explains why today's devout Muslims have little regard for those outside
the faith.
Quran
(9:88) - "But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and
fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and
it is they who will prosper."
Quran
(9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their
goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His
cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the
Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than
Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the
achievement supreme."
Quran
(9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near
to you and let them find in you hardness."
Quran
(17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to
the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word
proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction." Note that
the crime is moral transgression, and the punishment is "utter destruction."
(Before ordering the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden first issued Americans an
invitation to Islam).
Quran
(18:65-81) - This parable lays the theological groundwork for honor
killings, in which a family member is murdered because they brought shame to the
family, either through apostasy or perceived moral indiscretion. The story
(which is not found in any Jewish or Christian source) tells of Moses
encountering a man with "special knowledge" who does things which don't seem to
make sense on the surface, but are then justified according to later
explanation. One such action is to murder a youth for no apparent reason (74).
However, the wise man later explains that it was feared that the boy would
"grieve" his parents by "disobedience and ingratitude." He was killed so that
Allah could provide them a 'better' son. (Note: This is one reason why honor
killing is sanctioned by Sharia. Reliance of the Traveler (Umdat al-Saliq) says
that punishment for murder is not applicable when a parent or grandparent kills
their offspring (o.1.1-2).)
Quran
(21:44) - "We gave the good things of this life to these men and their
fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually
reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they
who will win?"
Quran
(25:52) - "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against
them with the utmost strenuousness..." "Strive against" is Jihad -
obviously not in the personal context. It's also significant to point out that
this is a Meccan verse.
Quran
(33:60-62) - "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease,
and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against
them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they
will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter." This
passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered "merciless" and "horrible murder" in
other translations) against three groups: Hypocrites (Muslims who refuse to
"fight in the way of Allah" (3:167)
and hence don't act as Muslims should), those with "diseased hearts" (which
include Jews and Christians 5:51-52),
and "alarmists" or "agitators who include those who merely speak out against
Islam, according to Muhammad's biographers. It is worth noting that the victims
are to be sought out by Muslims, which is what today's terrorists do. If this
passage is meant merely to apply to the city of Medina, then it is unclear why
it is included in Allah's eternal word to Muslim generations.
Quran
(47:3-4) - "Those who reject Allah follow vanities, while those who
believe follow the truth from their lord. Thus does Allah set forth form men
their lessons by similitude. Therefore when you meet in battle those who
disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make
(them) prisoners," Those who reject Allah are to be subdued in battle. The
verse goes on to say the only reason Allah doesn't do the dirty work himself is
in order to to test the faithfulness of Muslims. Those who kill pass the test.
"But if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution
from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with
others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their
deeds be lost."
Quran
(47:35) - "Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye
should be uppermost (Shakir: "have the upper hand") for Allah is with
you,"
Quran
(48:17) - "There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the
lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso
obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which
rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom."
Contemporary apologists sometimes claim that Jihad means 'spiritual
struggle.' Is so, then why are the blind, lame and sick exempted? This verse
also says that those who do not fight will suffer torment in hell.
Quran
(48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are
hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves"
Islam is not about treating everyone equally. There are two
very distinct standards that are applied based on religious status. Also the
word used for 'hard' or 'ruthless' in this verse shares the same root as the
word translated as 'painful' or severe' in verse 16.
Quran
(61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way" Religion of
Peace, indeed! This is followed by (61:9):
"He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the
religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even
though the infidels may resist."
Quran
(61:10-12) - "O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will
save you from a grievous Penalty?- That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger,
and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with your property and
your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew! He will forgive you
your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and to beautiful
mansions in Gardens of Eternity." This verse was given in battle. It uses
the Arabic word, Jihad.
Quran
(66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites,
and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end."
The root word of "Jihad" is used again here. The context is clearly holy
war, and the scope of violence is broadened to include "hypocrites" - those who
call themselves Muslims but do not act as such.
From the Hadith:
Bukhari
(52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until
you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will
say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
Bukhari
(52:256) - The Prophet... was asked whether it was permissible to attack
the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and
children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are
from them (i.e. pagans)." In this command, Muhammad establishes that it is
permissible to kill non-combatants in the process of killing a perceived enemy.
This provides justification for the many Islamic terror bombings.
Bukhari
(52:65) - The Prophet said, 'He who fights that Allah's Word, Islam,
should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause. Muhammad's words are the basis
for offensive Jihad - spreading Islam by force. This is how it was understood
by his companions, and by the terrorists of today.
Bukhari
(52:220) - Allah's Apostle said... 'I have been made victorious with
terror'
Abu
Dawud (14:2526) - The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are
the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no
god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and
not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be
performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day
the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist)
Abu
Dawud (14:2527) - The Prophet said: Striving in the path of Allah (jihad)
is incumbent on you along with every ruler, whether
he is pious or impious
Muslim
(1:33) - the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight
against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad
is the messenger of Allah
Bukhari
(8:387) - Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people
till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah'. And if they say
so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then
their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with
them except legally."
Muslim
(1:30) - "The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight
against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but
Allah."
Bukhari
(11:626) - [Muhammad said:] "I decided to order a man to lead the
prayer and then take a flame to burn all those, who had not left their houses
for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes."
Muslim
(1:149) - "Abu Dharr reported: I said: Messenger of Allah, which of the
deeds is the best? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Belief in Allah and Jihad in
His cause..."
Muslim
(20:4645) - "...He (the Messenger of Allah) did that and said: There is
another act which elevates the position of a man in Paradise to a grade one
hundred (higher), and the elevation between one grade and the other is equal to
the height of the heaven from the earth. He (Abu Sa'id) said: What is that act?
He replied: Jihad in the way of Allah! Jihad in the way of Allah!"
Muslim
(20:4696) - "the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: 'One
who died but did not fight in the way of Allah nor did he express any desire (or
determination) for Jihad died the death of a hypocrite.'"
Muslim
(19:4321-4323) - Three separate hadith in which Muhammad shrugs over the
news that innocent children were killed in a raid by his men against
unbelievers. His response: "They are of them (meaning the enemy)."
Muslim
(19:4294) - "When the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) appointed
anyone as leader of an army or detachment he would especially exhort him... He
would say: Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against
those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war... When you meet your enemies
who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to
any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any
harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them
and desist from fighting against them... If they refuse to accept Islam, demand
from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your
hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them.
Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet
declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power." Ashraf was a poet,
killed by Muhammad's men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the
scope of his orders to kill. An innocent Jewish businessman was then slain by
his Muslim partner, merely for being non-Muslim.
Tabari 9:69 "Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us" The
words of Muhammad, prophet of Islam.
Tabari 17:187 "'By God, our religion (din) from which we have
departed is better and more correct than that which these people follow. Their
religion does not stop them from shedding blood, terrifying the roads, and
seizing properties.' And they returned to their former religion." The words
of a group of Christians who had converted to Islam, but realized their error
after being shocked by the violence and looting committed in the name of Allah.
The price of their decision to return to a religion of peace was that the men
were beheaded and the woman and children enslaved by the caliph Ali.
Ibn Ishaq/Hisham
327: - “Allah said, ‘A
prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven
from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the
ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the
religion.’”
Ibn Ishaq/Hisham
990: - Lest anyone think that
cutting off someone's head while screaming 'Allah Akbar!' is a modern creation,
here is an account of that very practice under Muhammad, who seems to
approve.
Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 992:
- "Fight everyone in the way
of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah." Muhammad's instructions
to his men prior to a military raid.
Saifur Rahman, The Sealed Nectar
p.227-228 - "Embrace Islam... If you two accept Islam, you will remain
in command of your country; but if your refuse my Call, you’ve got to remember
that all of your possessions are perishable. My horsemen will appropriate your
land, and my Prophethood will assume preponderance over your kingship." One
of several letters from Muhammad to rulers of other countries. The significance
is that the recipients were not making war or threatening Muslims. Their
subsequent defeat and subjugation by Muhammad's armies was justified merely on
the basis of their unbelief.
Additional Notes:
Other than the fact that Muslims haven't killed every
non-Muslim under their domain, there is very little else that they can point to
as proof that theirs is a peaceful, tolerant religion. Where Islam is dominant
(as in the Middle East and Pakistan) religious minorities suffer brutal
persecution with little resistance. Where Islam is in the minority (as in
Thailand, the Philippines and Europe) there is the threat of violence if Muslim
demands are not met. Either situation seems to provide a justification for
religious terrorism, which is persistent and endemic to Islamic
fundamentalism.
The reasons are obvious and begin with the Quran. Few verses
of Islam's most sacred text can be construed to fit the contemporary virtues of
religious tolerance and universal brotherhood. Those that do are earlier
"Meccan" verses which are obviously abrogated by later ones. This is why Muslim
apologists speak of the "risks" of trying to interpret the Quran without their
"assistance" - even while claiming that it is a perfect book.
Far from being mere history or theological construct, the
violent verses of the Quran have played a key role in very real massacre and
genocide. This includes the brutal slaughter of tens of millions of Hindus for
five centuries beginning around 1000 AD with Mahmud of Ghazni's bloody
conquest. Both he and the later Tamerlane (Islam's Genghis Khan) slaughtered an
untold number merely for defending their temples from destruction. Buddhism was
very nearly wiped off the Indian subcontinent. Judaism and Christianity met the
same fate (albeit more slowly) in areas conquered by Muslim armies, including
the Middle East, North Africa and parts of Europe, including today's Turkey.
Zoroastrianism, the ancient religion of a proud Persian people is despised by
Muslims and barely survives in modern Iran.
So ingrained is violence in the religion that Islam has never
really stopped being at war, either with other religions or with itself.
Muhammad was a military leader, laying siege to towns, massacring
the men, raping
their women, enslaving their children, and taking the property of others as his
own. On several occasions he rejected offers of surrender from the besieged
inhabitants and even butchered captives.
He actually inspired his followers to battle when they did not feel it was right
to fight, promising them slaves and booty if they did and threatening them with
Hell if they did not. Muhammad allowed his men to rape traumatized women
captured in battle, usually on the very day their husbands and family members
were slaughtered.
It is important to emphasize that, for the most part, Muslim
armies waged aggressive campaigns, and the religion's most dramatic
military conquests were made by the actual companions of Muhammad in the decades
following his death. The early Islamic principle of warfare was that the
civilian population of a town was to be destroyed (ie. men executed, women and
children taken as slaves) if they defended themselves. Although modern
apologists often claim that Muslims are only supposed to attack in self-defense,
this is an oxymoron that is flatly
contradicted by the accounts of Islamic historians and others that go back
to the time of Muhammad.
Consider the example of the Qurayza Jews, who were completely
obliterated only five years after Muhammad arrived in Medina. Their leader
opted to stay neutral when their town was besieged by a Meccan army that was
sent to take revenge for Muhammad's deadly caravan raids. The tribe killed no
one from either side and even surrendered peacefully to Muhammad after the
Meccans had been turned back. Yet the prophet of Islam had every male member of
the Qurayza beheaded, and every woman and child enslaved, even raping one of the
captives himself (what Muslim apologists might refer to as "same day
marriage").
One of Islam's most revered modern scholars, Sheikh Yusuf
al-Qaradawi, openly sanctions offensive Jihad: "In the Jihad which you are
seeking, you look for the enemy and invade him. This type of Jihad takes place only when the Islamic state is invading other
[countries] in order to spread the word of
Islam and to remove obstacles standing in its way." Elsewhere, he
notes: "Islam has the right to take the initiative…this is God’s religion and
it is for the whole world. It has the right to destroy all obstacles in the form
of institutions and traditions … it attacks institutions and traditions to
release human beings from their poisonous influences, which distort human nature
and curtail human freedom. Those who say that Islamic Jihad was merely for the
defense of the 'homeland of Islam' diminish the greatness of the Islamic way of
life."
The widely respected Dictionary of Islam
defines Jihad as "A religious war with those who are unbelievers in the
mission of Muhammad. It is an incumbent religious duty, established in the
Qur'an and in the Traditions as a divine institution, and enjoined specially for
the purpose of advancing Islam and of repelling evil from Muslims…[Quoting from
the Hanafi school, Hedaya, 2:140, 141.], "The destruction of the sword is
incurred by infidels, although they be not the first aggressors, as appears
from various passages in the traditions which are generally received to this
effect."
Muhammad's failure to leave a clear line of succession
resulted in perpetual internal war following his death. Those who knew him best
first fought to keep remote tribes from leaving Islam and reverting to their
preferred religion (the Ridda or 'Apostasy wars'). Then, within the closer
community, early Meccan converts battled later ones. Hostility developed
between those immigrants who had traveled with Muhammad to Mecca and the Ansar
at Medina who had helped them settle in. Finally there was a violent struggle
within Muhammad's own family between his favorite wife and favorite daughter - a
jagged schism that has left Shias and Sunnis at each others' throats to this
day.
The strangest and most untrue thing that can be said about
Islam is that it is a Religion of Peace. If every standard by which the West is
judged and condemned (slavery, imperialism, intolerance, misogyny, sexual
repression, warfare...) were applied equally to Islam, the verdict would be
devastating. Islam never gives up what it conquers, be it religion, culture,
language or life. Neither does it make apologies or any real effort at moral
progress. It is the least open to dialogue and the most self-absorbed. It is
convinced of its own perfection, yet brutally shuns self-examination and
represses criticism.
This is what makes the Quran's verses of violence so
dangerous. They are given the weight of divine command. While Muslim
terrorists take them as literally as anything else in their holy book, and
understand that Islam is incomplete without Jihad, moderates offer little to
contradict them - outside of opinion. Indeed, what do they have? Speaking of
peace and love may win over the ignorant, but when every twelfth verse of
Islam's holiest book either speaks to Allah's hatred for non-Muslims or calls
for their death, forced conversion, or subjugation, it's little wonder that
sympathy for terrorism runs as deeply as it does in the
broader community - even if most Muslims personally prefer not to interpret
their religion in this way.
Although scholars like Ibn Khaldun, one of Islam's most
respected philosophers, understood that "the holy war is a religious duty,
because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and (the obligation to)
convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force", many other
Muslims are either unaware or willfully ignorant of the Quran's near absence of
verses that preach universal non-violence. Their understanding of Islam comes
from what they are taught by others. In the West, it is typical for believers
to think that their religion must be like Christianity - preaching the New
Testament virtues of peace, love, and tolerance - because Muslims are taught
that Islam is supposed to be superior in
every way. They are somewhat surprised and embarrassed to learn that the
evidence of the Quran and the bloody history of Islam are very much in
contradiction to this.
Others simply accept the violence. In 1991, a Palestinian
couple in America was convicted of stabbing their daughter to death for being
too Westernized. A family friend came to their defense, excoriating the jury
for not understanding the "culture", claiming that the father was merely
following "the religion" and saying that the couple had to "discipline their
daughter or lose respect." (source).
In 2011, unrepentant Palestinian terrorists, responsible for the brutal murders
of civilians, women and children explicitly in
the name of Allah were treated to a luxurious "holy pilgrimage" to Mecca by the
Saudi king - without a single Muslim voice raised in protest.
For their part, Western liberals would do well not to
sacrifice critical thinking to the god of political correctness, or look for
reasons to bring other religion down to the level of Islam merely to avoid the
existential truth that this it is both different and dangerous.
There are just too many Muslims who take the Quran
literally... and too many others who couldn't care less about the violence done
in the name of Islam.
Amazing zionists trying to convince us with all these anti Islam postings. This is what zionism and jews have ALWAYS done in this country. They placed a WEDGE between west and east and are MILKING it to the bone.
To the stounding moron and everyone else, you want to read some disgusting stuff about the religion oz zionism ? READ about THE TALMUD and you will understand. The first things jews are taught is to tell us that the TALMUD doesn't exist when they actually live by it.
I am not a muslim or a jew. I am a christian and I believe that my religion of peace has been HIJACKED by the judeo christian alliance between the simple minded evangelists and the shrewd zionists in control of the american airways.
Lastly, KNOWLEDGE is a one way street. ONCE you bKNOW something, you cannot un-know it. I warn you that reading about the TALMUD will disturb most people so read carefully. That should give you background about how jews and zionists work.
Conrad you are on the money again.
Astounding, Somewhere in the Quran it states the Muslims are forbidden to kill anyone outside their faith. As Conrad states read the Talmud to get a clear understanding between Jewry and Zionism. Zionists are the enemy of US goyem. They (zionists) are not GODS chosen people. They are the devils spawn. So laugh at me till your hearts content. I seem to be more aware with eyes open than you.
Can't we all just get along??
Ignorance has killed more than religion and non-religious combined, incompetence is king!
Apparently not as long as the three major religions exist, e patton.
Usually ignorance and religion go hand in hand, cutmeloose, I say usually because there may be an occasional exception to the rule.
@worn out- I have offered you proof, cited and sourced from books sacred to Islam. I have quoted directly from the Quran. You said "somewhere in the Quran." lol. You offer nothing, no proof, (furthermore history is against you, as are current events in the world concerning islam) of what you say, and state you are aware of more things than I. I gave you 109 verses that preach violence, and you gave me "somewhere in the Quran." lol. Yeah, you're so much more aware than I aren't you? And yes, I'll continue to laugh at you, because everyone KNOWS Islam is a militant religion founded by a pedophile (pssst, it says in the quran that he married a girl between the ages of 7 to 8 and CONSUMATED the marriage when she was 9.)
Islam is a militant religion. Give me anything but a muslim as a neighbor. America will NEVER accept Islam as the religion of peace, because we can SEE with our open eyes the world around us. Ever wonder why any ISLAMIC nation has such a high percentage of active religious people? (It hovers around 95%, go look it up.) And then see that non-islamic countries have an active religious population hovering closer to 25%.... it's because Islam is a forced religion in those places. A militant religion, the fact that we even have to refer to a muslim as "moderate" suggests just that, he/she is still a militant muslim, it's just to what degree.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7qrybtztJw
There ya go, that is a link to the CO-FOUNDER OF HEZBOLLAH, AND AN IRANIAN. You may not agree with what he says about religion (him being a converted christian) but at least listen to what he says about islam. Again, he is the CO-FOUNDER OF HEZBOLLAH and an IRANIAN, and I think he has a better insight into what Islam preaches than you do.
I'd rather listen to him, than you, who says "somewhere in the quran." Just watch the video I linked. You'll see. :) Argue with his remarks then, if you don't believe mine.
@rightlyconcerned - Also it seems to be not ALL religions, just islam. Christians/jews/buddhists/even atheists usually get along. One cannot even fly over the "holy city" of Mecca in Saudi Arabia if you're a non-muslim, and praying to anyone but ALLAH in the same country is a sentence of death. Again look it up if you don't believe me, actually, just watch the video I linked.
I guess as long as blind allegiance fuels your motives or greed, control is everything, I guess the question then becomes who controls us?
Astounding, Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner but I'm cooking a pig stuffed with sausage on the grill. Ooh, bye the way, did it hurt when you fell, you know from up on high?
@wornout - Once again, you've offered nothing that has to do with the conversation or topic at hand. It's hard to defend a child molestor (muhammed) and mass murderer (do the research on Mecca and how he beheaded anyone who didn't convert to his new religion) isn't it? Your "zionist" rants tell much about you. Funny how you say that Zionists are the enemy of the U.S. (a very thinly veiled and classic Islamic way to divert away from the truth and try to make Jews and Christians enemies of the U.S.) I gave you direct quotes from the Quran and their other holy books, and you gave us "somewhere in the quran it says..." pffft.
Post #10.3 and #10.10
Oh, and it's okay about not getting back to me in a timely manner, I figured it would take you some time to try and figure out a response. Funny also how you can't argue with the Iranian co-founder of Hezbollah and former muslim himself as well.
@#10 Well said.
Astounding, Once again I am not a muslim or jew lover. Don't you ever contact me outside of here again. I am a christian and a US citizen who is had about enough of our country being stolen from US. Your accusitory statements have done nothing but piss me off because you are so way off base with your accusations. F%$K OFF
@wornout - *yawn* You done? If you are what you say you are, start acting like it, you're treated as you act and you act like a muslim. Deal with it. P.S. No Christian I know says "Zionism" as much as you do. You sound like a muslim.
@wornout - one more thing. Christians don't usually end their sentences the way you do. Again, nice try, but I don't think many people believe you.
AssMadinajad making tough, i love it!!! He is just another fool puppet! Go away AssMad, go away!!!
This is great news. Didn't Scarface end up getting blown away?
You people didn't read the Article at all . YOU SIMPLY READ the HEADLINE.
Ahmedinajad NEVER said these words at all.
A jewish reporter coined that phrase "ONE ANALYST SAID"and here we are all discussing it like they wanted us to? Are you people gullible or what ?
Most of you people are truly stupid and not critical thinkers at all. I would send most of you back to the third grade where you woulod be taught to evaluate everything you hear instead of believing commercials and what ANYONE says ...
I never wrote about who said what or who didn't nor does that matter. I said it WAS great news and didn't Scarface get blown away. I think you should try to go back to school yourself so you can interpret what YOU read a little better perhaps. Enjoy relearning your ABC's.
Conrad-what would a fresh Monday be without some psychotic fool babbling away with extremist views?
That's the guy in the mirror.
Conrad and company;
You need to consider that the welfare checks you receive in the mail are partly paid for by some taxpayers who may be jewish. Also, exercising your civil rights in your neo nazi compound is also protected by ACLU lawyers, some of whom are jewish. Have you had any help from ahmadinejad?
farideh, it is the Jews in Israel receiving welfare checks from the USA. They receive up to 15 billion each year.
Israel is a welfare state, full of parasites on the American dole.
End all aid to Israel.
fanatical ralph -
What are you going to do when ahmadinejad falls? the theocratic mullahs are next and you need to find another job besides posting favorable rhetorical lies for your Iranian friends. As for Israel, yes of course you rather give the money to Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan, Sudan, Yemen as well as hezbolah and hamas. You terrorists apologists are nothing more than waste.
Missing the point, hopefully ahmadinejad will lose power and go away and the next guy is willing to have a dialog with the UN if nothing else, and if not at least sane enough to understand that the US will do whatever is necessary to protect our allies and our intersts.
It will not make any differance. The next leader will be just as hostile to the US and before if not more. No "moderate" will be allowed to even run for the President. (even a moderate would somewhat hostile) The Supreme Leader still calls the shots and he has demostrated his enduring hostility to the US. Don't beleive that all of the Iranian publuc shares this hostility. It is just that no reapproachment is possible with and overthrow of the current political system and that seems very unlikely.
This article is so much rehashed baloney. He never said anything about "wipeing Israel off the map." Questioned the Holocaust? Like Jesse Jackson said one time "which one?" The USA has been responsible for more deaths in Afghanistan since the CIA, Carter and Breszinski overthrew the government there in 1978 than the so-called holocaust. Which one are you talking about? The one that the Jew(DNA says) threw in Germany in the late 30's and early 40's?
hey storm, did you mean to say that America is responsible for over 6 million deaths in Afghanistan, more than the holocost. And there were many others thrown into those fires besides jews
So called Holocaust? Don't know what you are smokin, but it must be some pretty powerful stuff if you are saying the Holocaust did not happen! Peddle your hatred somewhere else. I lost family to the Holocaust! I My family and many others know it happened! And I'm not even Jewish!
That was a stupid answer. He is questioning the NUMBERS you moron. thirty thousand jews killed does not equal SIX MILLION like they claim and THIS IS the point.
EXACTLY how many jews were killed and why is their life worrth more than the say FIFTY THPOUSAND americans that died in world war 2? WHY ?
You idiots were brainwashed to believe the 6 million numbers and EVERYONE who questions that number is suddenly anti semetic ? Even Arabs who ARE SEMETIC (before the jews? ?
Ridiculous. FREEDOM of SPEACH means I can think and say what I want and not be thrown in jail for it. We don't have that in the west anymore. People are rotting in jail in Europe for mentioning that the numbers didn't add up.
But of course the zionist western owned amerikan media will want you to react EXACTLY as you did.
Simpletons....
get back under your rock conman.
Conrad... Talk about being brainwashed. You do realized those numbers weren't just pulled out of thin air right? Your attempt to make it about Jews versus Americans is a classic ISLAMIC way to divert from the truth and try to make it something it's not. Nobody said American lives were more important than Jewish or vice versa. Your thinly veiled attempt to divert from the truth is frightening. Furthermore, Jews and Christians and American values are more in line than ANYTHING Islam can offer American. You see, we at least don't have problems with people becoming atheist if they want. Where as Islam will put you to death for something like that. It's called freedom. The very fact that you come on here and contradict popular opinion is proof of this, in an Islamic country, no such thing exists.
Talk about being blinded and brainwashed. You should realize that your precious freedom of speech does not exist in Iran or any other Islamic country.
Conrad
Better an idiot than a racist bigoted anti-Semite! If anybody is brainwashed, it is certainly you. Do us all a favor and climb back into the slime pit you crawled out of and pull the rock back over the top!
Good Afternoon, Ed.
I'm so very sorry. I had no idea. :(
Ed, you claimed in a post you made some time ago that you were not Jewish. You sure get hot under the collar when someone questions the holocaust figures or the actions of Israel.
Personnally, I never really looked into it myself, but those figures seem awfully high, especially when I see and have heard from so many holocaust survivors over the years. It is very difficult to kill 6 million people, although the Jews in the Russian revolution, managed to kill far more in Russia. They were a ruthless bunch, under Lenin and Trotsky.
The government of Israel and Zionists in the US, have been milking that cow for decades, it is time to let it rest. It is now history.
Iran has not been responsible for any of those deaths and doesn't have the capacity to wage a war against the Israeli military, which has been armed to the hilt at the expense of the American taxpayer.
"Iran has not been responsible for any of those deaths and doesn't have the capacity to wage a war against the Israeli military, which has been armed to the hilt at the expense of the American taxpayer."
You really worry about American taxpayer? Then you should tell your Iranian masters to get the hell out of more than a dozen countries they are waging covert war to overthrow their government. Whe terrorist Iran is out of business, the world peace will come and there will be no reason for the American taxpayers to spend defending American citizens and American institutions against Iranian terrorists.
By the way, any minimally educated person knows that holocaust is not about jews, 10 million others were murdered by your nazi idol during the holocaust. But, I don't expect you to know anything.
Ralph
I get hot under the collar when ignorant people try to dismiss history that the majority of people all over the world accept as history and fact. Ahmadinejad spouting that the Holocaust never happened is one of those kind of people. I do question the actions of Israel as they screw up plenty. I just choose not to lay all the world's problems at their feet like some do.
It is not difficult at all to kill 6 million people. The Nazis perfected the practice in their death camps on an industrial scale. You can kill a lot of people with a small amount of Zyclon-B.
I have never stated that the Iranians ever had anything to do with the Holocaust. I sincerely pray that both Iran and Israel will both come to their senses and spare a lot of innocent people on both sides and throughout the region from a lot of senseless bloodshed. As I have said before it is not woth any American blood. They need to settle it for themselves without us getting involved.
Good evening Chef. My thanks for your sentiment. I actually found out about it just recently. I have family on my father's side that live in Germany and were part of the anti-Nazi movement during the war and were thought to be connected with Count Von Stauffenberg plot to assassinate Hitler but were not executed right off, but were instead sent to Dachau and gassed. Finding this out was quite a shock.
to the ex-navy moron: you certainly behave like a racist jew spewing venom against Islam and finally attacking me personally like a jew is supposed to do camped on these forums and getting paid 12 bucks an hour by the israeli misinstry of DIS-information. Let me beat you to the punch and tell everyone what you a$$wipes do on these forums.
You guys are taught to first attack the messenger and call them names then gang up on them but if they defend themselves, you're supposed to isolate and marginalize them by starting a new thread over the one being discussed where one of you would say something inane like "hey how about them nicks" or "I just had an apple!".
Well, what if I attacked you back and called you an appartheid supporter to say the least? What if I called you a kyke lover and piece of !@#$% that deserves to go back to the slums wher your relatives came from and belonged? Feels kinda nasty doesn't it when someone attacks YOU personally moron.
I don't mind if you attack my opinion but when you divert away from what I just said earlier (and I don't have the time to camp out here like you;re supposed to do at 12 bucks an hour) and all you do is then JUST call me names like a typical jew would, I won't hesitate to just respond to you in kind and insult your dumb a$$ ya neanderthal moron..
I hope you get even "hotter" about this but really in the end, its just pee ones like you mouthing off their pitiful and embecellic opions most of the time anyway ... I feel like I'm wasting time on you but I hope the audience learned about these tactics.
All o this and we eventually ended up neglecting the subject which was to UN villify-Iran and once more say, HE DIDN'T USE THE WORD SCARFACE you idiots. SOME JEW reported said that and it went viral then you a$$wipes believed it like the ants you are ...
GM Ed.
Imagine it was. It was shocking to read this yesterday. One thing that you can take comfort in is knowing that they fought against the insanity of nazism. They must have been very brave people. I don't know if you're familiar with viner Levi777 but he also lost family in Germany. Thank you for sharing this very personal news with all of us.
Hello Ralph.
Care to give us some details on this???
Every single one of your posts has been filled with name calling and attacks. Please...put down the paint or glue or what ever it is that you're huffing and get help...soon.
STRUPID???!!!! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ☺
It's easy to kill people. In 10 seconds at least 5000 kids were fried by the atom bomb dropped on Japan and then they dropped another one.
Conrad
Awww, you're breaking my heart. Noooot! Go peddle your racist anti-Semitism elsewhere. Sounds like the moron is you bud.
Oh Conrad, btw I forgot to mention that you are making the mistake that anything you day matters to me, which in fact it does not. On that note, I have nothing further to say to you. Perhaps when you can act like a reasonable adult we might, but I seriously doubt it. Have a nice day.
@ Conrad - You have got to be the blindest fool ever to step foot onto the scene. Islam isn't nearly as peace loving as you make it seem, first of all. It wasn't prairie dogs that flew planes into the world trade center. It's not fairies pointing nukes at India. It's not the wind tearing down thuosands of year old buddhist shrines in the name of a child molesting (Muhammed) pedophile.
Again, I'll post two things. The first is the Co-Founder of Hezbollah, oh, and by the way, he's an Iranian.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7qrybtztJw
Now, you may not agree with what he says abot Christianity, but at least listen to what he says about Islam. An Iranian, and the CO-Founder of Hezbollah has deeper insight into your religion of peace, well...more than anyone on here.
Then I'm going to post to you what the holy books of Islam REALLY say about every other religion on the planet, actually, any NON MUSLIM in most parts. (And p.s. you're "zionists" rants really betray you for being a muslim supporter or a muslim yourself. Just watch the video I posted above, argue with him.) Here ya go Conrad, defend your religion of peace now....(oh, and one more thing, all these verses can be easily looked up, they are there....again, watch the video linked, it's much more entertaining, but this is for you...who thinks the Quran/Islam is really preaching peace, and I know it's long and annoying, but that's the exact point...that's the length Islam goes to preach violence.) :
The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with
nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with
commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be
hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called
'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join
the slaughter.
Unlike nearly all of the Old
Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly
open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by the historical context of
the surrounding text. They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah,
and just as relevant or subjective as anything else in the Quran.
Most of today's Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy
book's many calls to violence according to what their own moral preconceptions
find justificable. Apologists cater to their preferences with tenuous arguments
that gloss over historical fact and generally do not stand up to scrutiny.
Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people,
but bad ideology.
Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate
or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued
until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed.
Muhammad's own martial legacy - and that of his companions - along with the
remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran have produced a trail of blood
and tears across world history.
The Quran:
Quran
(2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of
the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of
Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if they
desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until
persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah." The historical
context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and
his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by
their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in
that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later
did). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is thus disingenuous (the actual Muslim words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse). The actual Arabic comes from "fitna" which can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. Taken as a whole, the context makes clear that violence is being authorized until "religion is for Allah" - ie.
unbelievers desist in their unbelief.
Quran
(2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth
and knoweth all things."
Quran
(2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed
for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which
is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah
knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence
can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only
in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time.
From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad
was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding
merchant caravans for loot.
Quran
(3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible
agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to
help."
Quran
(3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers,
for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no
authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes
Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly
believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').
Quran
(4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this
world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he
victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are
unlike the early Christians, led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are
killed in battle, as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause
of Allah. Here is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.
Quran
(4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"
Quran
(4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus
be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until
they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn
renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case)
take no friends or helpers from their ranks."
Quran
(4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no
hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and
their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight
with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in
Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He
distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-" This
passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting
them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes. It also demolishes the
modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a
spiritual struggle. Not only is the Arabic word used in this passage, but it is
clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically
disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to
be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad and
this is reflected in other translations of the verse).
Quran
(4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer
pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..." Is pursuing
an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?
Quran
(5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His
messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should
be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on
opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for
them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous
chastisement"
Quran
(8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve.
Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No
reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.
Quran
(8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle,
turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them,
unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath
incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's
end."
Quran
(8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder,
unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah" Some translations
interpret "fitna" as "persecution", but the traditional understanding of this
word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for 2:293, also).
The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj.
Other Muslims were allowed to travel there - just not as an armed group, since
Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also
acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad's intention to
destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence
the critical part of this verse is to fight until "religion is only for
Allah", meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of
the opposition. According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further
explains that "Allah must have no rivals."
Quran
(8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to
strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."
Quran
(8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can
outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all
thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay
the enemy of Allah and your enemy."
Quran
(8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."
Quran
(9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the
idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie
in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay
the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." According to this verse, the
best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam (prayer
(salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion's Five
Pillars). This popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the
context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since
the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack. Had they
been, then there would have been no waiting period (earlier verses make it a
duty for Muslims to fight in self-defense, even during the sacred months). The
historical context is Mecca after the idolaters were subjugated by
Muhammad and posed no threat. Once the Muslims had the power, they violently
evicted those unbelievers who would not convert.
Quran
(9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them
to disgrace..."
Quran
(9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with
their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's
sight. These are they who are triumphant." The Arabic word interpreted as
"striving" in this verse is the same root as "Jihad". The context is obviously
holy war.
Quran
(9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold
that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor
acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book,
until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
"People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews. According to this
verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being
their religious status. This was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and
it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's
companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100
years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.
Quran
(9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians
say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they
imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how
they are turned away!"
Quran
(9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye
are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do
ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of
this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish
you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place." This is a
warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.
Quran
(9:41) - "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your
wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but
knew." See also the verse that follows (9:42)
- "If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would
(all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed)
on them" This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in
self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long
distance from home (in another country and on Christian soil, in this case,
according to the historians).
Quran
(9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the
hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the
destination." Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims
that they are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter.
It also explains why today's devout Muslims have little regard for those outside
the faith.
Quran
(9:88) - "But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and
fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and
it is they who will prosper."
Quran
(9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their
goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His
cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the
Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than
Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the
achievement supreme."
Quran
(9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near
to you and let them find in you hardness."
Quran
(17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to
the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word
proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction." Note that
the crime is moral transgression, and the punishment is "utter destruction."
(Before ordering the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden first issued Americans an
invitation to Islam).
Quran
(18:65-81) - This parable lays the theological groundwork for honor
killings, in which a family member is murdered because they brought shame to the
family, either through apostasy or perceived moral indiscretion. The story
(which is not found in any Jewish or Christian source) tells of Moses
encountering a man with "special knowledge" who does things which don't seem to
make sense on the surface, but are then justified according to later
explanation. One such action is to murder a youth for no apparent reason (74).
However, the wise man later explains that it was feared that the boy would
"grieve" his parents by "disobedience and ingratitude." He was killed so that
Allah could provide them a 'better' son. (Note: This is one reason why honor
killing is sanctioned by Sharia. Reliance of the Traveler (Umdat al-Saliq) says
that punishment for murder is not applicable when a parent or grandparent kills
their offspring (o.1.1-2).)
Quran
(21:44) - "We gave the good things of this life to these men and their
fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually
reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they
who will win?"
Quran
(25:52) - "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against
them with the utmost strenuousness..." "Strive against" is Jihad -
obviously not in the personal context. It's also significant to point out that
this is a Meccan verse.
Quran
(33:60-62) - "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease,
and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against
them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they
will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter." This
passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered "merciless" and "horrible murder" in
other translations) against three groups: Hypocrites (Muslims who refuse to
"fight in the way of Allah" (3:167)
and hence don't act as Muslims should), those with "diseased hearts" (which
include Jews and Christians 5:51-52),
and "alarmists" or "agitators who include those who merely speak out against
Islam, according to Muhammad's biographers. It is worth noting that the victims
are to be sought out by Muslims, which is what today's terrorists do. If this
passage is meant merely to apply to the city of Medina, then it is unclear why
it is included in Allah's eternal word to Muslim generations.
Quran
(47:3-4) - "Those who reject Allah follow vanities, while those who
believe follow the truth from their lord. Thus does Allah set forth form men
their lessons by similitude. Therefore when you meet in battle those who
disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make
(them) prisoners," Those who reject Allah are to be subdued in battle. The
verse goes on to say the only reason Allah doesn't do the dirty work himself is
in order to to test the faithfulness of Muslims. Those who kill pass the test.
"But if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution
from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with
others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their
deeds be lost."
Quran
(47:35) - "Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye
should be uppermost (Shakir: "have the upper hand") for Allah is with
you,"
Quran
(48:17) - "There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the
lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso
obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which
rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom."
Contemporary apologists sometimes claim that Jihad means 'spiritual
struggle.' Is so, then why are the blind, lame and sick exempted? This verse
also says that those who do not fight will suffer torment in hell.
Quran
(48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are
hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves"
Islam is not about treating everyone equally. There are two
very distinct standards that are applied based on religious status. Also the
word used for 'hard' or 'ruthless' in this verse shares the same root as the
word translated as 'painful' or severe' in verse 16.
Quran
(61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way" Religion of
Peace, indeed! This is followed by (61:9):
"He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the
religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even
though the infidels may resist."
Quran
(61:10-12) - "O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will
save you from a grievous Penalty?- That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger,
and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with your property and
your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew! He will forgive you
your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and to beautiful
mansions in Gardens of Eternity." This verse was given in battle. It uses
the Arabic word, Jihad.
Quran
(66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites,
and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end."
The root word of "Jihad" is used again here. The context is clearly holy
war, and the scope of violence is broadened to include "hypocrites" - those who
call themselves Muslims but do not act as such.
From the Hadith:
Bukhari
(52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until
you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will
say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
Bukhari
(52:256) - The Prophet... was asked whether it was permissible to attack
the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and
children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are
from them (i.e. pagans)." In this command, Muhammad establishes that it is
permissible to kill non-combatants in the process of killing a perceived enemy.
This provides justification for the many Islamic terror bombings.
Bukhari
(52:65) - The Prophet said, 'He who fights that Allah's Word, Islam,
should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause. Muhammad's words are the basis
for offensive Jihad - spreading Islam by force. This is how it was understood
by his companions, and by the terrorists of today.
Bukhari
(52:220) - Allah's Apostle said... 'I have been made victorious with
terror'
Abu
Dawud (14:2526) - The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are
the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no
god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and
not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be
performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day
the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist)
Abu
Dawud (14:2527) - The Prophet said: Striving in the path of Allah (jihad)
is incumbent on you along with every ruler, whether
he is pious or impious
Muslim
(1:33) - the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight
against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad
is the messenger of Allah
Bukhari
(8:387) - Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people
till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah'. And if they say
so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then
their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with
them except legally."
Muslim
(1:30) - "The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight
against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but
Allah."
Bukhari
(11:626) - [Muhammad said:] "I decided to order a man to lead the
prayer and then take a flame to burn all those, who had not left their houses
for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes."
Muslim
(1:149) - "Abu Dharr reported: I said: Messenger of Allah, which of the
deeds is the best? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Belief in Allah and Jihad in
His cause..."
Muslim
(20:4645) - "...He (the Messenger of Allah) did that and said: There is
another act which elevates the position of a man in Paradise to a grade one
hundred (higher), and the elevation between one grade and the other is equal to
the height of the heaven from the earth. He (Abu Sa'id) said: What is that act?
He replied: Jihad in the way of Allah! Jihad in the way of Allah!"
Muslim
(20:4696) - "the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: 'One
who died but did not fight in the way of Allah nor did he express any desire (or
determination) for Jihad died the death of a hypocrite.'"
Muslim
(19:4321-4323) - Three separate hadith in which Muhammad shrugs over the
news that innocent children were killed in a raid by his men against
unbelievers. His response: "They are of them (meaning the enemy)."
Muslim
(19:4294) - "When the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) appointed
anyone as leader of an army or detachment he would especially exhort him... He
would say: Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against
those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war... When you meet your enemies
who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to
any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any
harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them
and desist from fighting against them... If they refuse to accept Islam, demand
from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your
hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them.
Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet
declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power." Ashraf was a poet,
killed by Muhammad's men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the
scope of his orders to kill. An innocent Jewish businessman was then slain by
his Muslim partner, merely for being non-Muslim.
Tabari 9:69 "Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us" The
words of Muhammad, prophet of Islam.
Tabari 17:187 "'By God, our religion (din) from which we have
departed is better and more correct than that which these people follow. Their
religion does not stop them from shedding blood, terrifying the roads, and
seizing properties.' And they returned to their former religion." The words
of a group of Christians who had converted to Islam, but realized their error
after being shocked by the violence and looting committed in the name of Allah.
The price of their decision to return to a religion of peace was that the men
were beheaded and the woman and children enslaved by the caliph Ali.
Ibn Ishaq/Hisham
327: - “Allah said, ‘A
prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven
from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the
ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the
religion.’”
Ibn Ishaq/Hisham
990: - Lest anyone think that
cutting off someone's head while screaming 'Allah Akbar!' is a modern creation,
here is an account of that very practice under Muhammad, who seems to
approve.
Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 992:
- "Fight everyone in the way
of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah." Muhammad's instructions
to his men prior to a military raid.
Saifur Rahman, The Sealed Nectar
p.227-228 - "Embrace Islam... If you two accept Islam, you will remain
in command of your country; but if your refuse my Call, you’ve got to remember
that all of your possessions are perishable. My horsemen will appropriate your
land, and my Prophethood will assume preponderance over your kingship." One
of several letters from Muhammad to rulers of other countries. The significance
is that the recipients were not making war or threatening Muslims. Their
subsequent defeat and subjugation by Muhammad's armies was justified merely on
the basis of their unbelief.
Additional Notes:
Other than the fact that Muslims haven't killed every
non-Muslim under their domain, there is very little else that they can point to
as proof that theirs is a peaceful, tolerant religion. Where Islam is dominant
(as in the Middle East and Pakistan) religious minorities suffer brutal
persecution with little resistance. Where Islam is in the minority (as in
Thailand, the Philippines and Europe) there is the threat of violence if Muslim
demands are not met. Either situation seems to provide a justification for
religious terrorism, which is persistent and endemic to Islamic
fundamentalism.
The reasons are obvious and begin with the Quran. Few verses
of Islam's most sacred text can be construed to fit the contemporary virtues of
religious tolerance and universal brotherhood. Those that do are earlier
"Meccan" verses which are obviously abrogated by later ones. This is why Muslim
apologists speak of the "risks" of trying to interpret the Quran without their
"assistance" - even while claiming that it is a perfect book.
Far from being mere history or theological construct, the
violent verses of the Quran have played a key role in very real massacre and
genocide. This includes the brutal slaughter of tens of millions of Hindus for
five centuries beginning around 1000 AD with Mahmud of Ghazni's bloody
conquest. Both he and the later Tamerlane (Islam's Genghis Khan) slaughtered an
untold number merely for defending their temples from destruction. Buddhism was
very nearly wiped off the Indian subcontinent. Judaism and Christianity met the
same fate (albeit more slowly) in areas conquered by Muslim armies, including
the Middle East, North Africa and parts of Europe, including today's Turkey.
Zoroastrianism, the ancient religion of a proud Persian people is despised by
Muslims and barely survives in modern Iran.
So ingrained is violence in the religion that Islam has never
really stopped being at war, either with other religions or with itself.
Muhammad was a military leader, laying siege to towns, massacring
the men, raping
their women, enslaving their children, and taking the property of others as his
own. On several occasions he rejected offers of surrender from the besieged
inhabitants and even butchered captives.
He actually inspired his followers to battle when they did not feel it was right
to fight, promising them slaves and booty if they did and threatening them with
Hell if they did not. Muhammad allowed his men to rape traumatized women
captured in battle, usually on the very day their husbands and family members
were slaughtered.
It is important to emphasize that, for the most part, Muslim
armies waged aggressive campaigns, and the religion's most dramatic
military conquests were made by the actual companions of Muhammad in the decades
following his death. The early Islamic principle of warfare was that the
civilian population of a town was to be destroyed (ie. men executed, women and
children taken as slaves) if they defended themselves. Although modern
apologists often claim that Muslims are only supposed to attack in self-defense,
this is an oxymoron that is flatly
contradicted by the accounts of Islamic historians and others that go back
to the time of Muhammad.
Consider the example of the Qurayza Jews, who were completely
obliterated only five years after Muhammad arrived in Medina. Their leader
opted to stay neutral when their town was besieged by a Meccan army that was
sent to take revenge for Muhammad's deadly caravan raids. The tribe killed no
one from either side and even surrendered peacefully to Muhammad after the
Meccans had been turned back. Yet the prophet of Islam had every male member of
the Qurayza beheaded, and every woman and child enslaved, even raping one of the
captives himself (what Muslim apologists might refer to as "same day
marriage").
One of Islam's most revered modern scholars, Sheikh Yusuf
al-Qaradawi, openly sanctions offensive Jihad: "In the Jihad which you are
seeking, you look for the enemy and invade him. This type of Jihad takes place only when the Islamic state is invading other
[countries] in order to spread the word of
Islam and to remove obstacles standing in its way." Elsewhere, he
notes: "Islam has the right to take the initiative…this is God’s religion and
it is for the whole world. It has the right to destroy all obstacles in the form
of institutions and traditions … it attacks institutions and traditions to
release human beings from their poisonous influences, which distort human nature
and curtail human freedom. Those who say that Islamic Jihad was merely for the
defense of the 'homeland of Islam' diminish the greatness of the Islamic way of
life."
The widely respected Dictionary of Islam
defines Jihad as "A religious war with those who are unbelievers in the
mission of Muhammad. It is an incumbent religious duty, established in the
Qur'an and in the Traditions as a divine institution, and enjoined specially for
the purpose of advancing Islam and of repelling evil from Muslims…[Quoting from
the Hanafi school, Hedaya, 2:140, 141.], "The destruction of the sword is
incurred by infidels, although they be not the first aggressors, as appears
from various passages in the traditions which are generally received to this
effect."
Muhammad's failure to leave a clear line of succession
resulted in perpetual internal war following his death. Those who knew him best
first fought to keep remote tribes from leaving Islam and reverting to their
preferred religion (the Ridda or 'Apostasy wars'). Then, within the closer
community, early Meccan converts battled later ones. Hostility developed
between those immigrants who had traveled with Muhammad to Mecca and the Ansar
at Medina who had helped them settle in. Finally there was a violent struggle
within Muhammad's own family between his favorite wife and favorite daughter - a
jagged schism that has left Shias and Sunnis at each others' throats to this
day.
The strangest and most untrue thing that can be said about
Islam is that it is a Religion of Peace. If every standard by which the West is
judged and condemned (slavery, imperialism, intolerance, misogyny, sexual
repression, warfare...) were applied equally to Islam, the verdict would be
devastating. Islam never gives up what it conquers, be it religion, culture,
language or life. Neither does it make apologies or any real effort at moral
progress. It is the least open to dialogue and the most self-absorbed. It is
convinced of its own perfection, yet brutally shuns self-examination and
represses criticism.
This is what makes the Quran's verses of violence so
dangerous. They are given the weight of divine command. While Muslim
terrorists take them as literally as anything else in their holy book, and
understand that Islam is incomplete without Jihad, moderates offer little to
contradict them - outside of opinion. Indeed, what do they have? Speaking of
peace and love may win over the ignorant, but when every twelfth verse of
Islam's holiest book either speaks to Allah's hatred for non-Muslims or calls
for their death, forced conversion, or subjugation, it's little wonder that
sympathy for terrorism runs as deeply as it does in the
broader community - even if most Muslims personally prefer not to interpret
their religion in this way.
Although scholars like Ibn Khaldun, one of Islam's most
respected philosophers, understood that "the holy war is a religious duty,
because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and (the obligation to)
convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force", many other
Muslims are either unaware or willfully ignorant of the Quran's near absence of
verses that preach universal non-violence. Their understanding of Islam comes
from what they are taught by others. In the West, it is typical for believers
to think that their religion must be like Christianity - preaching the New
Testament virtues of peace, love, and tolerance - because Muslims are taught
that Islam is supposed to be superior in
every way. They are somewhat surprised and embarrassed to learn that the
evidence of the Quran and the bloody history of Islam are very much in
contradiction to this.
Others simply accept the violence. In 1991, a Palestinian
couple in America was convicted of stabbing their daughter to death for being
too Westernized. A family friend came to their defense, excoriating the jury
for not understanding the "culture", claiming that the father was merely
following "the religion" and saying that the couple had to "discipline their
daughter or lose respect." (source).
In 2011, unrepentant Palestinian terrorists, responsible for the brutal murders
of civilians, women and children explicitly in
the name of Allah were treated to a luxurious "holy pilgrimage" to Mecca by the
Saudi king - without a single Muslim voice raised in protest.
For their part, Western liberals would do well not to
sacrifice critical thinking to the god of political correctness, or look for
reasons to bring other religion down to the level of Islam merely to avoid the
existential truth that this it is both different and dangerous.
There are just too many Muslims who take the Quran
literally... and too many others who couldn't care less about the violence done
in the name of Islam.
When this little despot exits the program, the Iranian people can dance in the streets.
No, maybe they had better wait to see who succeeds him. Dancing might be strictly forbidden by the religious powers-that-be.
Uh.....why don't we just stay the hell out of it!
Perhaps Ahmanutjob should recondider his metaphors. We all know what happened to Scarface in the end.
Perhaps you should actually read what you are commenting on.
Its too bad he was born without a brain.
re you talking about yourself moron ?
For someone who whines about people allegedly insulting you, you do a pretty credible job of doing so with no provocation yourself! Get real!
Let's hope some saner heads in Iran of tired of being made to look like fools to the rest of the world by this myopic little man with delusional thinking. He is right there with Kim Jon Un.
Nuke them and be done with it.
BAMY, at last you can make a friend in the Middle East. I am sure you will try to shower him in our Tax Money. That will make it ONE friend in your term of office from around the world.
What is this nonsense you are going on about?
The above post is a microcosm of America folks, a sign that our top priority should be to work on the educational system in this country. This is an embarrassment, god some of us are so dumb.
@rightly concerned - lol. You're so stupid your point that education needs to be a priority is valid. Go educate youself on the Quran and Islam and see how militant it is. "God some of us are so dumb...." lol... speaking of youself again I see.
Astounding, I've actually read the whole Quran. It's no worse than the Bible in the kill and maim category and probably better if you actually take the quotes most people like to trot out in context. It's true there are extremists. More than Christian extremists these days (but on in the past). However it's still a legitimate religion as is Christianity if practiced with moderation. I'm an atheist so in my view all religions are hogwash but I don't see Islam as inherently any worse than any other.
It's "astounding" that that is the best you've got, where in my post did I say anything negative or positive about the Quran or Islam? Anywhere? Umm, no. I think you need to work on your reading comprehension skills bro. Your post responding to mine further validates what I posted. All of the three major religions and many of the others are extremely dangerous. It takes incredibly dumb people to buy into something that's been debunked time and time again.
To astounding - Why don't you post the Protocols of the Elders of Zion for our edification? See how the readers feel about those Zionist ideas and ideals. You can always make the claim they were some forgeries, which has been done in an attempt to disown them.
Yes he knows too much dirty laundry and he is a fool if he thinks his enemies in politics won't have him assassinated before he can reveal damaging things about them.
OK so what are you trying to tell the sheep of the world that Iran is no longer a threat and we can dissolve our military?? I mean; it work for the president Obama when it comes to raising taxes on the rich spending and cutting so open wide America, it might be a little tough to chew at first but you will get use to chewing this homemade propaganda!
Once he's done I'm sure Obama will put him some where on his cabinet with his supreme executive orders.