I wonder what an Iranian Revolutionary Guard general was doing in Syria and Lebanon...

I bet he was just over there to build eco-friendly playgrounds for kids...

Duqu

I bet he was just over there to build eco-friendly playgrounds for kids...

yeah and the Brooklyn Bridge is still on the real estate market.... in a short sale now! Great sarcasm!!! LOL

That is the question, isn't it? What was he doing in Syria? Giving lessons on quilting? Is Iran really that dumb? Do they really think the rest of the world is? Who may I ask is really that dumb?

iran would look for any excuse to attack israel.

"Iran will soon exact revenge on Israel for the recent killing of a Revolutionary Guards commander in Syria, an aide to Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei"

He was killed by Syrian rebels.

With such tenth century desert Shiites' nuts ruling, Shiites and Iran don't need enemies!

I wouldn't put it past Iran to have sent him over knowing he would be killed so that they could use this against Isreal.

Riad Hijab, who defected from his post in Damascus six months ago, also told the Arabic-language news outlet that Iran is “actively running” Syria.

“Syria is occupied by the Iranian regime,” he said. “Who runs the country isn’t Bashar Assad but Kassem Suleimani, the head of Iran’s al-Quds Brigades [within the Revolutionary Guards].”

Hijab’s comments come less than a week after a Washington Post article claimed Iran and Hezbollah were “building a network of militias” in Syria to protect their interests when Assad falls. The militias are fighting alongside the regime, sources told the newspaper, but also preparing for a day-after scenario in which Assad is gone. A senior Obama administration official put the number of Iranian mercenaries in Syria at 50,000.

Also on Friday, activists said some 150 rebels and government troops have been killed in fierce fighting for control of the international airport in the northern city of Aleppo and a major military air base nearby.

The Observatory and the Local Coordination Committees activist group said rebels and President Bashar Assad’s forces were shelling each other in renewed clashes Friday in and around the airports.

The rebels launched a major attack on Aleppo’s civilian airport and the nearby air base of Nairab on Wednesday. They have captured most of the “Brigade 80″ force that is in charge of protecting the area.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/not-even-the-nazis-did-what-assads-doing-says-ex-syrian-pm/

Yeah, blame it on Israel........any excuse for an attack on them!

Iran has said they want to wipe Israel off the map. That isn't a "I'll stay on my side you stay on your side." sort of thing. The Ayatollah runs things and their "President" doesn't do anything without consent. There is definitely some gameplaying. Sloppy but maybe they are worried Assad is losing. They need allies right now. Their currency is tanked due to sanctions. I've seen feeds of their own people protesting. Hope and pray that everyone can just settle down and remember that it is citizens that are getting killed too.

Gm Jack, glad you are back. That casket tips any more and we will have a Monty Python moment. Sure would hate to see that.

With such tenth century desert Shiites' nuts ruling, Shiites and Iran don't need enemies!

Nailed it. Exactly right, Jonathan my friend - they're the ones supplying Assad with everything he needs in the first place. Needing enemies? Naaaaaaaaaaah.

HOTTICKET: Appreciations like yours keep me going!

Sometimes, I am opposed to the general opinion or war mongers getting ready for wars in Syria and Iran.

I am for us keeping far away on the side lines and watching their great Shiites vs Sunnis battles on whose Allah is greater.

Of course, I am a Shiites cheerleader as they would do a good job of killing Sunnis.

If Sunnis form 80 percent and brave, then as a revenge they should roast the Shiites with pork!

What do we, poor infidels, have to lose? We can't match them in killings!

Do you really expect people to read all this?

IRAN’S leading nuclear scientist, Mohsen FakhrizadehMahabadi, is believed to have travelled to North Korea to observe its third nuclear test last week, according to western intelligence sources.

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/world_news/Middle_East/article1215608.ece

"Fakhrizadeh-Mahabadi has ventured outside Iran rarely, if at all, since several Iranian nuclear scientists were assassinated in attacks blamed by Tehran on the Israeli intelligence service Mossad," reports the Times. "He is in charge of developing a warhead small enough to fit on to one of the ballistic missiles developed by Iran from North Korean prototypes, the sources said. His trip may have been worth the risk because North Korea’s triumphant announcement of the blast hinted that it was a compact, powerful device."

Yeah, thank God we have Hagel to the rescue! SARCASM!!!

Just watch the Co-Founder of Hezbollah and an Iranian himself tell you what Iran's real plans are concerning the West and Israel. I can't stress enough, he is the CO-FOUNDER OF HEZBOLLAH AND IRANIAN, and therefore has a greater understanding of Islam/iran and Israel/U.S. ....at least more than anyone on here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7qrybtztJw

There are four parts, I hope this opens some peoples eyes. One may not agree with his stance on Christianity, but please listen to what he says about Iran and Islam.

I thank you pulsar for at least pointing out facts instead of jumping to conclusions like so many do in this site. Also I would suggest people who wonder how this girl was ran over (she was a adult at 23so maybe we should call her a woman instead). She made her decision to try to protect property of terrorist that were found tried and convicted of building explosives that at the time were used by suicide bombers. Israel rather then sit back and do nothing told the Palestinians that any home used in these activities or property purchased out of blood money paid by Muslim nations to suicide bombers surviving members would be destroyed (and rightfully so they were purchased from money paid out for killing innocent civilians).

I would also suggest that you actually google a combat bulldozer and see how good the visibility is on these vehicles. I would suggest that to stay in a large group and protest would be very easily noticeable but to break off and jump in front of one might very well end up with the adult not being seen because these things are heavily armoured for the sake of protecting the operator.

I think that yes, she might have not needed to be ran over, but also that it was not the smartest thing to jump in front of these big beast with limited visibility.

Also, maybe she should have rather chosen to protest at a better site then a weapons manufacturing and assembly site that was used against civilians. It amazes me how these people cry out in outrage against Israel for protecting themselves and doing what every nation in the world would do (and of course because it is not Israel it is acceptable and not ever one word out of these people over that).

So maybe instead of protesting the tearing down of a weapons assembly area, why wasn't she protesting the attacks on innocent women and children on buses and in shopping malls.

In the end I chalk it up to a very naive student or young adult that refused to look at the whole picture and allowed herself to be manipulated by the Palestinians for propaganda. If anyone thinks that they actually cared about her physical well being, I would suggest you google the speech by a Ha-mas leader who openly stated that they put women and children around rocket and missile sites because if Israel retaliates the political points of the death far outweighs the actual danger these people are put in. And then the thinking goes if these people are willing to sacrifice their own women and children, how much do you actually think they care about infidels that are protesting for them?

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/hamas-interior-minister-boasts-of-using-elderly-and-children-as-human-shields/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0wJXf2nt4Y

And the Iranians have what to show that the Israelis caused this man's death? Absolutely 0, but in their pea brains they blame Israel for everything. What sad little childish minds they have.

Rachel Corrie was a useful idiot of the terrorist group Hamas.

No more, no less.

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Of course, I am a Shiites cheerleader as they would do a good job of killing Sunnis.

If Sunnis form 80 percent and brave, then as a revenge they should roast the Shiites with pork!

What do we, poor infidels, have to lose? We can't match them in killings!

HOTTICKET: Appreciations like yours keep me going!

Sometimes, I am opposed to the general opinion or war mongers getting ready for wars in Syria and Iran.

Me too, Jonathan but actually, I wouldn't mind seeing Hamas and Hezbollah go at it. It would make for great must see t.v. :)

Popcorn and beer, anyone?

HOTTICKET: Great!

Popcorn and beer: ready to join!

About Hamas and Fatah: I feel Israel also needs to clean them up once for all.

Just go on sending rockets and air drop leaflets: run to Saudi Arabia and have Mecca as capital for Hamas and Fatah for Medina.

Hezbollah can fight with Assad or else hide behind women niqabs or basements of Shiites' mosques with their Ayotallah's dresses.

Then slowly bomb the Shiites' mosques after Sunnis are done with them.

Seems like nowadays all you have to do is look cross eyed at Iran and they will be vowing revenge. Same goes for North Korea or Venezuela. The Iranian media and authorities cannot seem to get their own stories straight as to what this guy was doing where he was or how he allegedly died, and yet they now want to blame Israel. Like was said in the movie "Jerry McGuire" with Tom Cruise. Iran needs to "Show me the money." and provide some real proof instead of just accusations!

Here goes an Iranian commander who could not defend himself!

Put a woman's niqab/burkha on that coward's dead body.

Of course, Ayotallahs and their gangs should bark at their loudest even if they can't save Assad!

Dumb people back Iran.

And its a good thing they live in a country where they don't hang you for being stupid. Because if they lived in Iran, they'd be dead already.

I don't think installing a tyrant in Iran was correct. But when the response is not only a revolution, but even more terrible acts against your own population, you give up your moral high ground.

Israel could drop incendiary rounds on Iran and as horrible as it is, they STILL wouldn't have done anything as bad as what ran does to its own people. So if you think Iran is awesome, go move there, so you can be surrounded by people who think like you.

Yep and our Islam friendly Communist in Chief helped the Islamists get control.. They are oppressing Christians right on que and arresting them for the evil of spreading Christianity in their land.. Gee we did not see any of this coming did we.. Our dear leader is really showing his superior foreign policy leadership..

Hey Iran, how about you stay the @!$%# out of Syria?

Roadrunner0

Yep and our Islam friendly Communist in Chief helped the Islamists get control.. They are oppressing Christians right on que and arresting them for the evil of spreading Christianity in their land.. Gee we did not see any of this coming did we.. Our dear leader is really showing his superior foreign policy leadership..

How about about you Christians stay the @!$%# out of countries where it's illegal to preach Christianity? I know it's a total slap in the face that not everyone wants to believe in your version of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. What do you want Obama to do? March in with an army of loyal Christian soldiers and convert them all at the end of a gun barrel?

Never mind, that was stupid of me, of course you do...

They are oppressing Christians right on que and arresting them for the evil of spreading Christianity in their land

And you somehow think this just started under Obama? Funny how religions are so intolerant of each other, eh?

Dumb people back Iran.

Yet you think Israel could bomb them and it's still less that what Iran does to itself?

No one is saying Iran is awesome, but some of us are saying Israel isn't always innocent. For some of you, Israel can do no wrong, even when it is doing wrong.

We spent decades installing leaders in the ME. Now it's all finally falling apart.

How about about you Christians stay the @!$%# out of countries where it's illegal to preach Christianity?

What countries would that be and why would a religion such as Christianity be illegal?

...and the hundreds of NATO bombing raids in Libya were humanitarian intervention.

rockmebritney

iran would look for any excuse to attack israel.

Because history has shown us that this Iranian regime has attacked so many other nations in the past ? Hmmmmm............I can't think of one time that Iran attack any country first.

roger white-3731376
Do you really expect people to read all this?

Don't you want to know the truth about Rachael Corrie?...What if it is true that she was in fact alive when she was taken to that Arab hospital and the Muslims finished her off to promote their hate Israel agenda? Rachael Corrie was a useful tool of the Islamists....

Rachel Corrie sat down in front of a Caterpillar bulldozer. I have seen enough of them in my own area to know that once the scoop is up, the driver cannot see what's in front of him. And ALL the onlookers on both side agree that they screamed for him to stop and he immediately tried to back up, which only made matters worse. I don't know how this ever became a political issue, even for the pro-Palestinians.

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@Superskunk, can't think of any country Iran has attacked first. You should really catch up on your persian history. Oh, and Superskunk, the motto for the Iranian Army is "Death to America." I think that implies the level this regime is willing to go to for the sake of Islamic Law. Iran has also (or "this regime" as you have said) been linked to terrorists in Yemen and Israel. Also "This Regime" of yours fully backs, supports and founded Hezbollah, an organization that lives to kill Jews and Christians in Israel.

pulsar182

What countries would that be and why would a religion such as Christianity be illegal?

Libya for one, and because they say so.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/16/16989109-4-arrested-in-libya-for-trying-to-spread-christianity?lite=

This already stinks horribly of U.S. coercion and involvement, you may not think so but I can smell it from this far away. I say If they insist on killing each other, as they have for thousands of years,we need to stand clear and let them. The U.S. isn't so sinless, we have screwed up things to much already all over the globe, its no wonder most of the world hates us, we've just got to stick our nose in where it don't belong.

marywhatever only knows what the lib media tells her she should know.

Iran is meddling in the affairs of many countries, sponsors terrorism, is enriching uranium, and all the while it thumbs it's nose at the world. When is the world going to respond and take out that poisonous leadership?

Ah my old friend astounding, once again proving your name.

I guess for the narrow/small minded I should have been more specific. Since the current leadership in Iran took over after the Iranian Revolution of '79, who has Iran attacked first ?

The baseless "links" your claiming are the same baseless "links" the Iranian government is trying to claim in this story.

I don't support the religiously fundamental Iranian or Israeli leadership, I support the truth, peace, and the good citizens in both those countries. Because they're the ones that will see the worst of any armed conflict between the two.

Libya for one, and because they say so.

Christianity is not illegal in Libya....it's just not tolerated.....same in most Muslim countries...by using its draconian Islamic policies Islam is slowly eradicating all non Muslim religions

@ Pulsar, that is incorrect. Sharia Law is the basis of the Libyan law, and therefore all relgious views, not excluding Aethism are deemd heretical... and punishable by beheading...

Nice to know, so is a woman speaking in a man's presence without permission...

I notice that often when a Zionists makes a post of outrageous lies, such as "astounding" on posts 1.22 and 1.48, Newsvine doesn't have a reply button beneath the post for an immediate rebuttal. That effectively eliminates a timely response.

RalphH: I think your paranoia is getting the best of you. No post, including your own, has a reply button under it because they are all under a single thread.... and, just so there's no confusion, I'm not referring to the thread that is used in sewing.

Israel started the 1967 war? You are definitely the recipient of Iranian propaganda! Read unbiased history (if there is such a thing). You will find that Israel's neighbors attacked them with the total destruction of Israel as their intent. Israel, however, surprised them and the world by fighting back with superior military intellect and ferocity and won in a very short time.

Iran has not started a war in 200 years? Have you forgotten your long and bloody war with Iraq? Or was that Iraq's fault as well? Have you forgotten Iran's support of terrorism worldwide? Or is that just something that Zionists have made up? If so, try telling that to to the families of the countless murdered men, women, and children taken by the hand of Iranian Sponsored Terrorism.

America and Israel would not have to be the war mongers you accuse them of if states like Iran did not continually call for the total annihilation of soveriegn countries. It would also help if Iran abided by International demands that they not pursue nuclear weapons in order to successfully fulfill their threats to wipe Israel off the map.

Unfortunately, you, like so many of your friends, have your minds made up already from the life long ingestion of hatred fed to you by your fellow Islamic Jihadists. Too bad.

I'm sure the Israeli's are Shaking in their boots right now.......... LMAO

RalphH……1.56

I am trying hard not to write anything derogatory about your comment, but please stop smoking that stuff; it’s frying your brain.

I suppose Israel is to be blamed for problems in Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Sudan, Yemen, Iraq, Palestine, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Pakistan and now Syria? I don’t think so! But, I wonder why there are Iranian footprints all over every one of these countries?

Could you please enlighten me with your wisdom on this?

Both sides have a beef with each other. Israel has been threatened, but without any tangable force behind it. Iran's scientists have been assasinated along with the threats from Israel.

@Ralph - Sorry, you're comment isn't really worth my time. But suffice to say your "zionist" this and that betray you for a muslim supporter. "When zionists make a statement...." guess what man, this is America, not Iran, a "zionists" as you state I am, has as much right to make a statement as any other person, ... But since you ask for me to show you PROOF of anyone in IRAN founding Hezbollah, go here, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7qrybtztJw
That's the CO-FOUNDER OF HEZBOLLAH AND AN IRANIAN GIVING YOU A LECTURE....watch it instead of asking for your proof when everyone knows Hezbollah and Iran are linked.

@superskunk - You support the truth, your post so says. Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.
When you bother to actually see the root of the problem isn't bad people, but bad ideology, you'll realize when a religion teaches that violence toward specific groups .... now brace yourself.... will actually stir up violence, then you'll see the root of the problem is in the Quran. Or tell me, is it an accident that Islam has a war with every other major religion on the planet?

Ready for the real shocker? What happens when the religion itself is to blame and is one of the world's largest. Go look up the stats on active religious populations in Islamic countries. Then do the same for "Western" countries. You'll notice something. That Islamic countries, especially in the middle east, have an active religious population that hovers close to 95%. The Western countries, it looks more like 25 percent. Wonder why? It's a forced religion. The Quran preaches violence. If you have a religion that preaches violence towards "NON_MUSLIM" that doesn't differenciate between atheist, jew, christian or anything.

...although they sure as hell like to kill Jews and Christians specifically. (Unless of course a bus of innocent civilians going about their business distracts them.)

Hmmmm, looks like Iran has borrowed the playbook of many of the US liberal/progressive posters. They just substituted Israel for bush2 or corporations or the 2%.

Is the site where books are published? I prefer links.

american-2051576

Actually, it's more reminiscent of Bush's 9/11 response... you know, make up a pretext to respond to the terrorist attack and then waging war in the wrong country, just because you want to.

I dont think theres any doubt about the fact that It's a lie is in for a huge $hite storm.

@pulsar182:

Why didn't you just tell us to buy the book? People don't get on Newsvine to read such expansive input. We read the article, leave a comment and respond to other comments. Think of Newsvine as a verbal conversation, your input, though valid, and the input directly preceeding it, are too long for the typical mindset people use when blogging on Newsvine.

pulsar182

How about about you Christians stay the @!$%# out of countries where it's illegal to preach Christianity?

What countries would that be and why would a religion such as Christianity be illegal?

Haven't you been listening or reading the news? Right now people are being arrested for preaching Christianity in other Countries. Not sure if it is illegal, but they are still being arrested and killed for it. So why be stupid enough to go where you are not wanted and preach what nobody wants to hear and then be shocked when you get arrested?

So astounding, if that's the case, would you agree and admit that the Israeli leadership that used their religion as the reasoning for their terroristic acts in establishing their independent jewish state is no better than the fundamental muslims ?

And if you actually look at the root cause of the violence, it's not actually over religion, it's over borders and occupations, with religion being the motivation used by their leadership to galvanize the resistance, and religion the reasoning behind the lies told by the opponents.

For Israelis it's not about religion or borders, it's about survival.

@superskunk - No the Israeli option is different all together. Israel was set up after world war 2 for a place for all the millions of mislpaced jews, a place that as far as western records (at that time for the most part) said belonged to them. Furhtermore their religion (Jewish) nor Christian call for extermination of people, the Quran and Islam does. It preaches violence specifically toward non-muslim.

I beg you to tell the Jews in Israel it's not about religion, when they see the dome of the rock on the temple mound. If it were over borders, Muslim countries surround a tiny portion of land, Israel, and such a small strip of land would be nothing, if it were only about borders and not about religion as you say. And as Judaism is older than Islam, the land should rightly then belong to them.

On top of it all is that muslims already have a holy city, it's not Jerusalem. The Jewish holy city is Jerusalem. The Islamic holy cities are mecca and medina.

What is so wrong with letting the jewish people have a jewish state, a relatively small country even compared with the hostile muslim countries that surround it.

Let the palestinians and muslims go to any of the other numerous surrounding Islamic countries that better suite their culture. This hasn't been palestine since it was lost to the ottoman turks in world war I. There is no PALESTINE! Go look on any modern map. There is an Israel. Iran has to accept that. The fact that they threated the destruction of an entire race/religion to achieve this goal makes them the agressor.

Islam is cancer on this planet, everywhere it dominates is slowly destroyed. The religion of peace is really the religion of war and of male fools who think they have more value than females, and that's why they remain third world. Iran is a bug that will eventually be crushed, just a matter of time.

and yet they have positive feedback in the form of thumbs up and you have.... nothing but words ...

Islam is a cancer... nailed it on the head...

And does my momma wear combat boots too ?

Yes, their "thumbs up" prove so much about their comments.

It would be nice if you could actually add something to the conversation, or have a point, besides hate speak.

Skunk (what an appropriate name). Hate Speak is always applicable when use used in the same sentence/paragraph as Islam. Islam is a plague and need to be wiped from the earth. Muslims are nothing but human bacteria and a disease to be eradicated.

@superskunk - Good catching up, gotta jet. We'll argue again later. ;)

Both christianity and islam are a stain on history. Guess most of you clowns can't exist without someone telling you who to hate, how to hate, who is acceptable to pray to and how and when. ignorance is your only tool.

Well, for those saying that Islam is a cancer, care to go onto google images and do a search of Iran? Pretty spectacular place when you don't have to see it through the eyes of the media.

What's really happening here is that US, Israel and Turkey are backing the rebels and Iran is backing Assad (US used to back him).

If US, Israel, Turkey (by proxy through 'rebels') take Syria and then Jordan, Iran will be completely surrounded by US / Israeli forces and the 60+ year attempt for the Western world to finally control all of that oil under Iranian soil (again, Brits had it last), which will then prop up the dollar and keep us from going down, is complete.

This has nothing to do with Christianity or Islam. It's all about the commodity.

Watch for Assad to fall and then its countdown to the next war.

Beauford Pusser

Skunk (what an appropriate name). Hate Speak is always applicable when use used in the same sentence/paragraph as Islam. Islam is a plague and need to be wiped from the earth. Muslims are nothing but human bacteria and a disease to be eradicated.

Yes Beauford, the ethnic cleansing you preach towards an overall peaceful religion isn't hateful at all. I apologize I was completely wrong.

Nice icon, you may want to hope what he said is not true philly, sounds like it might be hard for you to.

With God in so many places, are you trying to compete with ten century Shiites' Ayatollahs or seventh century desert dancing Sunni Islamic Mullah of Sodi Arobia?

Philly, how can one judge a book by it's cover when grammatically speaking your below a 3rd grade writing level?

Does someone have to help you eat oatmeal in the morning like Biden?

Drone on Obamadrone.....drone on.

@gwarth2

" .. they can't do anything to GODS chosen people if God stands by their side . . ". When I read your post, first, I thought you were being ironical, sarcastic. But, you are serious, right? Yipe! Scary!

@ Gwarth2... I thought once the knees kneeled & tongue confesses...one becomes "saved" not condemned.

@phillykevin2: I certainly hope the other functionbs you perform when multi-tasking are better quality than your writing skills, otherwise I wonder about your employability. For now, stick with that temp job at Dollar General.

Mr. Philly Kevin;

Please sir be advised that when you go to denigrate somebody / something know what you are talking about and not only do it with knowledge but ability. Your severe lack of knowledge of the "Tea Party" and proper grammar along with your incessant nattering makes you look small and intellectually stunted. You start to what seems to be a thoughtful comeback to an open minded discussion but then fall on your face and leave yourself wide open to public scorn. I hope you are young as this will give you time in life to read and learn many things that hopefully will allow you grow intellectually and spiritually.

@Star

I thought once the knees kneeled & tongue confesses...one becomes "saved" not condemned

All religions interpret the Bible, Torrah and Koran to suit their needs. When compared, many of these Holy Books are intertwined. Sounds like this guy is pretty hard core ... which means he skipped over Jesus and went straight for the four horsemen.

phillykevin2: I am a bit scarred of all, who get too much hung up on Gods. Tea/Tent Party is beyond my brains!

So I give way to you, sir!

Philly,

Where are you getting your facts from?

You make accusations without proof. Sounds like you are no better then the people you are accusing.

To compare Christians to the Taliban is stupid because the ideology are miles apart. When was the last time you heard a Christian tell you to convert or die? Or for that matter when was the last time that a christian called for your death because of problems with your belief? This is what the Taliban stands for, the last time any christian organization did something this backwards was hundreds of years ago. Most of the people I have met would never wish to fall back to this Middle Ages mentality, but I have seen Muslim governments and the people support this thinking themselves.

As is typical with people today you state facts without any proof. When was the last time you ever heard of a christian organization against Education? If you are yelling because they find problems with a theory that has never been proved in a lab or scientifically then I do not understand how this hinders progress or scientific thinking. The bottom line is both creationism and evolution are nothing more then two theories of life origins. Both are theories and nothing more, in fact I would suggest you google what a theory is, it is not a fact but rather a educated guess of how things came to being or what governs a scientific finding that is not able to be proved in a lab. I have never heard of a modern day christian yell about the world being flat (you do have crazies that do but they come from groups of both Christians, atheists, and people of other faiths who will not accept scientific fact that can be proved again and again). Any hard science I do not think any christian questions, so how exactly are they holding up science and the advancement of finding?

Also to question the christian desire to control a woman's body is flat out false. What people are asking for is what any rational person would ask for, take responsibility for your actions. Even the government can not figure out when life comes about, if you go to the courts you will see a women get charged with child abuse for taking drugs while 12 weeks pregnant, but then the next day is legally able to have a abortion. So if she is abusing this child by taking drugs, would not logical thinking state that to abort the child is actually more abusive? I think what is needed first is a decision to come down from the courts about when a person is actually a person. Then we can have a better understanding of where the argument should go from there. But the question still comes down not to the rights of the mother, but what about the rights of the child. Reagan stated it best when he said, "Have you ever noticed that the only ones who are arguing about the right to abortion were never the victims of it?"

And severe xenophobia? WTF! Is it that you like everyone loves to blame others for refusing to accept a political thought as racist when in fact it has nothing to do with color but rather mentality? And most christians I have met have no problem whatsoever with immigrants (since unless they are of native american heritage their ancestors immigrated over here), what they have a problem with is upholding the law. We have laws on our books for a reason, and to ignore them or think think you are above them does nothing but in the end bring on anarchy. We need to uphold our laws and demand that people follow them or leave this country. It is actually that simple, but everyone is trying to make it complicated to get political points with someone instead of just demanding the law be upheld. And here is a question for you, if we did secure our boarders, would this even be in the discussion?

I also love how people who have no tolerance for people who do not think like them or accept their ideology demand that we accept theirs. Then when we do not accuse of of what they are doing themselves. I do not have a problem with your ideology, what I have a problem with is that you refuse to accept anyone else but yours.

Last, hatred of government? Where are you getting this from? We love this nation but hate that this government is trying to do what you just yelled about, force its ideology upon us. When people like you get into power you accept nothing but forcing everyone to believe in what you feel is the better good. But look at Democrats in the past 100 years. For the sake of the better good they have imprisoned not once but twice people because of their race, during WW1 Wilson jailed people who dared to question the governments illegally imprisoning people just because of their race, and then went further and started jailing people because they questioned what was being told them. He went further and even put in jail his political rivals, all in the name of what is good for the country. Now today we have the government telling us that they have the right to teach morality to our children, they have the right to take them away if they do not agree with ours, and even telling people and businesses that they have to fund medical procedures.

I would strongly suggest you look in the mirror because I find the political left as a rule screams the loudest if they think someone is daring to do what they are doing. They for some reason think they have the only moral compass and rather then let others live as they seem fit within the confines of the law demand that they turn their thinking to the same as their's.

Mr. Tbenton;

Spot-on, and thank you for your insight. I hope Mr. Philly Kevin reads and takes some serious time for thought and reflection about the knowledge you have tried today to impart to him.

brutaltruth

Philly, how can one judge a book by it's cover when grammatically speaking your below a 3rd grade writing level?

Irony. It's a bitch.

It's you're dude, not your.

"My god is better than your god, nanny nanny boo boo."

Tom Cruise and John Travolta know who the real god is, LOL. Well at least they're more logical with their belief of aliens over an invisible man living in the sky. It's all ludicrous.

Any one who hates religion is welcome to find refuge in North Korea, where they share your atheist views.

They aren't God's chosen people anymore.

tbenton... the fact is that taliban and alqueda were created by cia. as far as christisanity. the last time they were against education? how about looking into the mediecel time when any kind of knowledge was considered witchcraft and people were executed for that. In those time europian scientists were rushing to persia to persue their dreams. how about the concept of christianity that a women's brain is half the size of mens brain therefore they were created to serve men., not allowed to make judgment or even vote. you see the problem w/ you is that you talk conviniently about taliban's extremism, but fail to say that extreme in any religion is as bad. how about jewish extremist who think all non jews are gentiles and inferior to jew and were created to serve jews. their sole is inferior to that of the jews and non jew women are all whoers and a jew can take a non jew organ w/o asking . you see the problem w/ you is that you can only see what you want to see. all people around the world want to live a peaceful and prosper life and be able to provide for their families. the western countries want to keep these people in a uneducated and extreme state so they can use it to conquer them. if people are given the same opportunity, they all can prosper, but that is not the intention of the westerns towards these countries.

Yes, all extremists are bad.

The problem is that Muslim extremists have the power in several governments at the moment.

Don't worry much!

Just oppose and see to it that extremist Jewish lobby in the US, Netanyahu and his gang, oil rich Sunni rulers led by House of Saud, oil companies and their lobbyists not push NATO forces for Syrian and Iranian intervention.

Things have gone beyond John Kerry, McCain, Hillarys and others on the payrolls of corporates and lobbyists. Could they do much in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya?

"The Revolutionary Guards media office said this week that Khoshnevis had been "martyred on his way from Damascus to Beirut by mercenaries"."

Keep miles away! Against us (infidels including Jews) they will all join hands.

Just see how Shiites and Sunnis will martyr each other!

Why are you so obsessed?

Considering the fact that Uncle Sam has been kissing Israel ass for years, Kerry wouldn't need much practice.

I'm not going to defend Iran, they are as religiously fundamental as the next god loving country, and their leadership doesn't seem like "good" guys.

With that said since they've never actually attacked first in their history, yes, they get a free pass because it's empty rhetoric.

Syuperskunk,

"they've never actually attacked first in their history" - if you mean history of their entire existence, you need to do some research on the Persian Empire, you will be majorly disappointed. If you mean in the resent history, since they have been called Iran, they've never attacked in first in person, but they had proxy terrorist organizations do plenty of attacking on their behalf.

Jag,

"Why do we give a F about Israel either?" - because quite a bit of the technology you use in your daily life has been invented in Israel, and because should Israel ever fall good Muslim leaders will need another enemy to blame for crappy life in their countries and US is the top candidate for that role.

@superskunk is obviously not a military man. Nobody waits to be attacked in order for justification, unless setting an ambush. Threats are often enough, and Iran has attacked many times into other countries. Do your history, Iran has been supporting terrorists through funding and shipments for years. Last week a ship unloaded tons of weapons on the Yemen coast to support terrorists there. Their goal is to destroy America and Israel. HELLLOOOOOOO!!!!!!! What if our motto for the army here in the U.S. was death to ....well...anyone... Wouldn't people start shouting in the streets saying that's calling for war and the extermination of millions of people? Iran's military motto is Death to America. You don't think they want to attack, then you're a fool.

Well... if your basis for your argument is that Iran has never attacked anyone, then you've obviously never taken a history course on the middle east. Go live there for a couple years, just two if you think it's just a-okay. If you're not willing to go that far, than I don't think you truly believe what you're saying. (That was directly at you superskunk.)

@Jag - See that's the problem, Jews, Christians, Buddhists...most don't care if or what their neighbors are. But muslims...well, if you're not a muslim...well...it's a call to war. In america I don't even care if the people up and down my street are atheist. In an Islamic country though, nothing like that is tolerated. It's Islam or death. Don't believe me, do the research for active religious populations in Islamic countries and see how it's over 90 percent. There is no way unless it's forced. And that's continual...not just a once in a blue moon thing. Oh, and go try to pray to anyone but Allah in Saudi Arabia. It's a death sentence. (Go head, look that up too.) Try to get in an airplane and fly over Mecca.... a Non-muslim cannot. This is their extent of hatred toward other religions. Look at it on a global scale. Nukes pointed at the Hindu's in India. Obvious problems with the Christians and Jews in the West. Subway bombings in Spain, Londond,... destroying thousands of year old statues..... This is the real islam, forget what you think you know.

And Jag, speaking of checking facts on Israel not contributing anything to science? They've long had representation on Space Shuttles here in the U.S. But since you want facts, here ya go:

Jewish recipients of the nobel in Chemistry:

• Adolph von Baeyer ^#,1 (1905)
• Henri Moissan ^#,2 (1906)
• Otto Wallach
  ^#,3 (1910)
• Richard Willstätter
  ^# (1915)
• Fritz Haber
  ^# (1918)
• George de Hevesy
  ^# (1943)
• Melvin Calvin
  ^# (1961)
• Max Perutz
  ^# (1962)
• Christian Anfinsen ⁴ (1972)
• William Stein
  ^# (1972)
• Ilya Prigogine ⁵ (1977)
• Herbert Brown
  ^# (1979)
• Paul Berg
  ^# (1980)
• Walter Gilbert
  ^# (1980)
• Roald Hoffmann
  ^# (1981)
• Sir Aaron Klug
  ^# (1982)
• Herbert Hauptman ⁶ (1985)
• Jerome Karle ⁷ (1985)
• John Polanyi ⁸ (1986)
• Sidney Altman
  ^# (1989)
• Rudolph Marcus
  ^# (1992)
• George Olah ⁹ (1994)
• Sir Harold Kroto ¹⁰ (1996)
• Walter Kohn ¹¹ (1998)
• Alan Heeger ¹² (2000)
• Aaron Ciechanover
  ¹³ (2004)
• Avram Hershko
  ¹⁴ (2004)
• Irwin Rose
  ¹⁵ (2004)
• Roger Kornberg
  ¹⁶ (2006)
• Martin Chalfie
  ¹⁷ (2008)
• Ada Yonath ¹⁸ (2009)
• Dan Shechtman ¹⁹ (2011)
• Robert Lefkowitz ²⁰ (2012)
  
• Others ²¹

Nobel prizes for Jews in Literature:

• Paul von Heyse ^#,1
  (1910)
• Henri Bergson
  ^#
  (1927)
• Boris Pasternak
  ^#
  (1958)
• Shmuel Agnon
  ^#
  (1966)
• Nelly Sachs ^# (1966)
• Saul Bellow ^# (1976)
• Isaac Bashevis Singer
  ^#
  (1978)
• Elias Canetti
  ^#
  (1981)
• Joseph Brodsky
  ^#
  (1987)
• Nadine Gordimer
  ^#
  (1991)
• Imre Kertész ²
  (2002)
• Elfriede Jelinek
  ³
  (2004)
• Harold Pinter
  ⁴
  (2005)

Wolf Prize in Mathmatics:

• Israel Gelfand (1978)
• André Weil (1979)
• Oscar Zariski (1981)
• Mark Krein (1982)
• Paul Erdös (1983/84)
• Hans Lewy (1984/85)
• Samuel Eilenberg (1986)
• Peter Lax (1987)
• Ilya Piatetski-Shapiro (1990)
• Mikhael Gromov (1993)
• Joseph Keller (1996/97)
• Yakov Sinai (1996/97)
• Elias Stein (1999)
• Raoul Bott ¹ (2000)
• Vladimir Arnold ² (2001)
• Saharon Shelah (2001)
• Gregori Margulis (2005)
• Harry (Hillel) Furstenberg (2006/07)
• George Mostow (2013)

• Jewish Biomedical & Life
  Scientists
• Jewish
  Recipients of the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine (26% of
  recipients)
• Jewish Recipients of the Lasker Award in Basic Medical Research (32% of recipients)
• Jewish
  Recipients of the Gairdner Foundation Award (27% of
  recipients)
• Jewish
  Recipients of the Wolf Prize in Medicine (40% of
  recipients)
• Jewish
  Recipients of the Louisa Gross Horwitz Prize (42% of
  recipients)
• Jewish
  Recipients of the GM Cancer Research Foundation Sloan Prize (35% of
  recipients)

And nobel prizes for physics:

@jag, there ya go sir, no significant contributions eh? You should really try and at least look up stats BEFORE you say jewish people haven't contributed to daily life.

@jag - ps. pwned

Astounding

One should never throw logic and common sense at leftist liberals and/or bigots. It ruins their day and totally confuses them as well! My compliments on your excellent posts.

OK, let's look for things discovered in Israel:

• Discovery of Quasicrystals by Dan Shechtman of the Technion.^[1] The discovery led him to receive the Nobel Prize in Chemistry
• Discovery of the role of protein Ubiquitin by Avram Hershko and Aaron Ciechanover of the Technion Institute (together with the American biologist Irwin Rose). The discovery led them to receive the Nobel Prize in Chemistry.^[2][3]

• Prediction of Quarks by Yuval Ne'eman of Tel Aviv University (together with the American physicist Murray Gell-Mann).^[4]
• Discovery of the Aharonov–Bohm effect by Yakir Aharonov and David Bohm.^[5]
• Formulation of Black holes Entropy by Jacob Bekenstein of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem
• World's smallest video camera - a camera with a 0.99 mm diameter, designed to fit in a tiny endoscope designed by Medigus.^[8]
• Development of the "Pillcam" by Given Imaging, the first Capsule endoscopy solution to record images of the digestive tract. The capsule is the size and shape of a pill and contains a tiny camera.^[9]

• Eshkol-Wachman Movement Notation - a notation system for recording movement on paper that has been used in many fields, including dance, physical therapy, animal behavior and early diagnosis of autism.^[10]
• Development of the Copaxone immunomodulator drug for treating multiple sclerosis. It was developed in the Weizmann Institute of Science in Israel by Michael Sela,Ruth Arnon and Deborah Teitelbaum.^[11][12]
• Development of the Interferon proteins by Michel Revel from the Weizmann Institute of Science in Israel.^[13]
• Development of taliglucerase alfa (Elelyso), a recombinant glucocerebrosidase enzyme produced from transgenic carrot cell cultures.^[14] Taliglucerase alfa won approval from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration in May 2012 as an orphan drug for the treatment of Type 1 Gaucher's disease.^[15]
• Work of Daniel Kahneman and Amos Tversky of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem explaining irrational human economic choices.^[16]
• Developments in Game theory. Israel Aumann of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem received the Nobel Prize in Economics for his work in this field.^[17]
• The Rubinstein bargaining model, one of the most influential findings in game theory, refers to a class of bargaining games that feature alternating offers through an infinite time horizon. The proof is from Ariel Rubinstein 1982.^[18]

• Nanowire - a conductive wire made of a string of tiny particles of silver, a thousand times thinner than a human hair. developed by Uri Sivan, Erez Braun and Yoav Eichen from the Technion.^[19]
• World's smallest DNA computing machine system - "the smallest biological computing device" ever constructed, according to Guinness Book of Records, which is composed of enzymes and DNA molecules capable of performing simple mathematical calculations and which uses its input DNA molecule as its sole source of energy it was developed in 2003 in the Weizmann Institute of Science by professor Ehud Shapiro and his team.^[20][21]

• Michael O. Rabin introduced the concept of nondeterministic finite automatons.^[22]
• Amir Pnueli introduced temporal logic into computing science.

• USB flash drive - a flash memory data storage device integrated with a USB interface. The Israeli company M-Systems (in partnership with IBM) developed and manufacturedthe first USB flash drives available in North America.^[44] This claim is challenged by multiple companies in Singapore (Trek Technology, Malaysia and China (Netac Technology).^[45]
• Quicktionary Electronic dictionary – a tiny pen-sized scanner which is able to scan words or phrases and immediately translate them into other languages, or keep them in memory in order to transfer them to the PC. Developed by the Israeli company Wizcom Technologies Ltd.^[46]
• Laser Keyboard - virtual keyboard is projected onto a wall or table top and allows to type handheld computers and cell phones. Developed simultaneously by the Israeli company Lumio and Silicon Valley startup company Canesta .^{[47][48][49][50]} The company subsequently licensed the technology to Celluon of Korea.^[51]
• Adi Shamir co-inventor of Differential cryptanalysis. Algorithms include Shamir's Secret Sharing.
• Lempel–Ziv–Welch algorithm - a universal lossless data compression algorithm created by Abraham Lempel and Jacob Ziv of the Technion institute together with the American Information theorist Terry Welch.^[52]
• Babylon - a single-click computer translation, dictionary and information source utility program developed by Amnon Ovadia.^[53]
• ICQ - an Instant Messaging software developed initially in 1996 by the Israeli company and adopted by AOL. Mirabilis.^[54]
• Refinement of existing Drip Irrigation Systems by introducing a non-clogging plastic emitter. Drip-irrigation (also called micro-irrigation), was invented by Australian scientist Hannis Thill.^[55] Refinement of this idea (involving a plastic emitter) was furthered in Israel by Simcha Blass and his son Yeshayahu.^[56]
• The Tomaccio tomato was developed by Hishtil Nurseries of Israel.^[57]

• Super iron battery - A new class of a rechargeable electric battery based on a special kind of iron. More environment friendly because the super-iron eventually rusts. It was developed by Stuart Licht^[58] of the University of Massachusetts.^[59]
• Energy tower - Purely theoretical alternative electricity generation and water desalination technology in low cost. The Energy towers spray water on hot air at the top of the tower, making the cooled air fall through the tower and drive a turbine at the tower's bottom. The brainchild of the American physicist Phillip Carlson which was expanded by Professor Dan Zaslavsky and Rami Guetta from the Technion.^[60][61]
• A unique technology for producing hydrogen in vehicles as an alternative fuel source. It is produced by the Israeli company Engineuity and was invented by Amnon Yogev and Eli Gmaazaon.^[62]
• Improvement of previously existing flat plate solar water heaters - A home facility which converts solar energy to thermal energy. Following the energy crisis in the 1970s, The Israeli law requires the installation of solar water heaters in all new homes. It was developed by Zvi Tavor.^[63]

• Epilator (originally "Epilady") - an electrical device used to remove hair by mechanically grasping multiple hairs simultaneously and pulling them out. It was developed and originally manufactured at Kibbutz HaGoshrim.^[64][65]
• Wonder Pot - a pot developed for baking on the stovetop rather than in an oven.^[66]
• Micronized coating instant hot water pipes developed by A.C.T.^[67]
• Artificial gills - a theoretical special diving system that is not yet in production, currently being developed by the Israeli company Like-A-Fish Technologies which produces oxygen from water making oxygen tanks unnecessary.^[68]

• Bamba - peanut butter-flavored snack which has been manufactured by the Osem corporation since 1966. Bamba is one of the leading snack foods produced and sold in Israel.^[74][75]
• Limonana - a type of lemonade made from freshly-squeezed lemon juice and mint, created in the early 1990s after an advertising agency promoted the then-fictitious product to prove the efficacy of advertising on public buses. The ad campaign generated so much consumer demand that the drink began to be produced for real byrestauranteurs and manufacturers, becoming a summer staple in Israel and other Middle Eastern countries.^[76][77]
• Ptitim - wheat-based baked pasta. It was initially invented during the austerity period in Israel when rice was scarce.^[78]
• Shkedei marak - small yellow crisp crouton squares used as a soup accompaniment.^[79]

One more thing Jag,

"Israel didn't exist a century ago. What am I missing here?" - you are missing the fact that Israel did exist 2000 years ago. Palestine, on the other hand did not exist a century ago, or 2000 years ago, or ever at all, but that doesn't bother those who claim that now Palestine has more right to exist than Israel does.

Also, try not to cry when you are reading the list of things invented in Israel and discover that your view of the world was just an illusion.

eli, when was Iran actually founded, you seem to think parthia is another spelling for iran. not even a nice try.

Actually Jag,

All I pasted comes from Wikipedia. How does it make me a fanatic to state common knowledge?

You are the one who makes false statements with complete certainty, which suggests that you stick to your beliefs and refuse to check for facts. Now, that's fanaticism.

I am not bringing you controversy, it's already there. I have friends in Israel and I believe that Israel is important to well-being of my nation all over the world. So, yes, as long as people keep bashing Israel online, I will keep posting my arguments in favor of Israel. If you consider the issue insignificant, feel free to stop posting or reading comments.

Lore,

I don't know what this got to do with anything, but as far as I know Iran was founded in 1935. However, they are a recreation of Persian Empire which ruled the area since about 2000 BC.

I am well aware that modern Iran is very different form the Persian Empire, but similarly present-day Russia is different from USSR, and USSR was very different from Russian Empire, yet Russian feel connection to both stages of history. I doubt that people of Iran don't see any connection between their country and the ancient Persian Empire.

eli. you are so deceiving just like your partners in israel. what superskunk refered to was the islamic republic and he was right in his estimation. If you want to bring up persian empire, then why not bring up cyrus the great who freed all jews from slavery , allowed them and helped them to rebuild their temple and let them live peacefully under the persian empire. he was so generous to jews that he is the only non-jew to be mentioned in torrah as a profit. cyrus is also the first to introduce human rights some 2500 years ago. your assumption on iran is also wrong. Iran was not founded in 1935. iran was never called persia by the iranian themselves. it was always called iran which represents all the ethnics under the same flag. the name persian was given to iran by the western countries strting from the greeks and roman.. during the world war two the shah of iran just asked the international community to refer his country as iran since persia or parsian refered to only the people from the pars province vs. iran which represents the whole land with all it's ethnic groups. by the way wikipedia is not historically correct on everything. anyone can post anything in wikipedia and that doesn't mean it is legit.israel is mostly an assembly for the technology. come down your hi horse of jewsih suppermacy. israel wouldn't survive one month w/o u.s aid.

Do we all forget or are we just miseducated/uneducated to know that the independent jewish state of Israel was gained through terrorism ?

Are we unaware of the American governments numerous terrorist attacks and human rights violations in the name of colonialism and imperialism ?

Again, I'm not defending Iran or the religiously fundamental muslims, just pointing out that just because was side is presumed evil, number one doesn't make the other side automatically "good", and there's usually deeper reasoning than just "They hate freedom" or "It's their religion" nonsense.

Nice fare-dodging. However, parthia is ages different then iran, from religion to attitude to manner of social acceptances. Eli, you are aware you can't just make up history to suit yourself right? try reading history rather then making bad guys to suit your agenda and maybe I wil consider you educated enough to understand the pestulance you support. You show that you know nothing about persia, or parthia only rehashed propganda about muslim countries you've never cared about until it became news. Not even a nice try unless your attempt was to look jaded and sound ignorant. To wit, islam started int he 700's not 2,000 years ago and partia existed long before jesus and his mutts 2thousand year reign of terror.

I don't claim to be an expert on Iran, I certainly never claimed that they were always a Muslim country, but I was not making anything up.

I don't see how it's relevant what people call Iran. To me and mine they became bad guys by supporting Hamas and Hezbollah, that's all.

Yes Skunk,

I know that Israel was built through terrorism, but that terrorism was solely for survival. People fleeing from pogroms and then from Nazis were denied refuge, so they fought to gain that refuge by any means necessary. That is not the same as Islamist terrorism that is carried out for political resons under guise of irreligious fundamentalism.

Ramesh,

I have been to Israel enough times and met enough Israelis to know what they are capable of. It's not about Jewish superiority. Jews are not the only people who've had to rebuilt a country from scratch. It's about people working their hardest when their survival depends on it. They would survive just fine without US aid, they would just stop holding back when they have to retaliate to an attack.

I cannot agree that Israel was built through terrorism. Built to be a stronghold against terrorism is more appropriate. I think the christians and muslims keep forgeting that they are jews. The first ten books are the root for all three religions and judaism is the first and there-fore father religion of both christianity and islam. The only difference exists in the fact that the western and highly money corrupted roman standard required more then simply owing it to God. That change in Judaism (creating a physical link to 'God and thus a secondary link to the Emperor and later Pontiff to satisfy the law that emperors were descendants of Gods) sparked a second alteration to battle against the new jews, the followers of christ and that faith became islam.

As for the blood wars between arabs and jews and greeks/romans, that seems to be a never ending pool of baby shyte and arrogant stupidity. The son whines to the father and his son to him, islam and christianity don;t however exist without Judaism. Like it or not, that still means do as you like, short of once again rewritting your most sacred of texts, you are all jews, just jews in different colored jackets as suits your own individual style.

I am not a jew, or christian or muslim, but a short trip through history will tell anyone that israel had been founded, overthrown, refounded and overthrown dozens of times before the aran uprising that followed world war one which ousted the seat of judaic power that wasn't properly reclaimed until after world war two. Another minor aspect, the land that is called palestine today was half owned by greeks over three thousand years ago and thus didn't even belong to the muslims who claim it as absolute ancestral territory. All these things most of you are claiming as valid history are actual falicies fed to you, and feasted on by you. What is factual is that most of what you people refer to as accurate history from thousands of years ago has only actually been history since the 1100's when the eastern roman empire called on the west to aid them in recapturing manzikert, sparking what we now call the holy roman crusade.

Again Eli, terrorism is terrorism.

Political reasons ?!?!? What are the political reasons ? The majority of the muslim extremists commit their terrorism because of the Western occupations and atrocities of their homelands.

The majority of terrorist commit their acts of terrorism because their leaders convinced them the West is to blame for all their problems and that their lives will become perfect once everyone in the world belongs to their Sunni of Shea branch of Islam.

More ironic yet, the majority of Muslim terrorists commit their act of terrorism against other Muslims.

Agreed

@Zheng He. ---- I know your a plant. Your comments mean nothing. It's a bitch when someone is smarter then you, isn't it.

You know what's funny. You make your name sound like a chinaman. But a Chinaman wouldn't give a rats ass about Isreal. LOL

It's a bitch when someone is smarter then you, isn't it.

I know your a plant.

This article aside, I do notice that often times when someone is claiming to be better than someone else, they invariably prove otherwise.

Israel is in the best spot.

It has to show patience while Shiites and Sunnis are battling in Syria and Iran.

They should not repeat the blunders like they did before each Iraqi war.

If Saddam had wiped out Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE and some other Sunni Arab League nations, they would have had half of problems they are facing now.

Before each Iraqi war, Netanyahus and their gangs in Israel and US ignited Iraqi wars with their furious dances with songs of "dangerous chemical weapons", "WMDs" and so on.

Let us, including Israel, worry about badly wounded winners.

Let there be not much delays at that time.

Dear marywhatever

Is Fiestyredhead on break? Or are you just the substitute Commie/Fascist. Nobody cares about your little name calling opinions OK. The Iranian leadership is bent on destroying ALL infidel's! You included (Unless you are a true Muslim) So back away from yourself, Quit bitching everybody out that does not agree with your Jew hating opinion and go lay down!

Good night now!

You do know the difference between Commie and Fascist don't you?

Should I have called her a Nazi/Fascist?

On A side note are we a Democratic/Republic

Actually we are supposed to be a UNITED States.

So your answer to my question is, NO ?

I think I get what you mean, If we all would just think with the left side of our brain we would be United. Then everyone would be happy.

In answer to you question I believe we are now a Representative Democracy although if Republicans get their way will lose our right to vote.

Just can't say it can ya. It's ok like I eluded to we all cannot nor should we think alike. I believe THAT is what provides us with some semblance of freedom.

I agree we are not all alike. Maybe I can think with all of my brain. The labeling of left and right are just political tools. I have voted for Republicans as well as Democrats in my life, have you? By the way what is it that I'm not supposed to be able to say?

There's a couple of Grandpas that agree!!!

Grandpa's should agree but not always.

Believe it or not I was going to vote for Hillary over McCain because I was Pissed about Palin being on the ticket. But that changed with Obama winning the nomination. So i didn't vote. The original point I was trying to make is we can be labeled two things at once. Commie/Fascist. and Our gov being a Democratic ,Republic.

No your original point was a slam on Fiesty. Nothing to do with labeling two things just labeling her.

My original reply to you! Yes My original post was meant to SLAM Fiesty. All she does is slam the right or anyone that disagrees with her. She clearly chose's NOT to think with her whole brain, As evident with her own posting's. We could play this all day long, However at the end of the day this exchange changes nothing.

BTW Please help collapse the advertisement from wilsonarden521 above.

I agree that she does go a little overboard once in a while but most of the time she is right on the money as far as I'm concerned. I put wilsonarden on ignore every time I see it. I believe he does it to say he does not agree with the post. Kinda dumb.

If that's his motivation? Wow! "Krazy" It's kinda like that old Mod Squad episode ( I think ) Where the criminals only response to everything was " Mother" This dudes' only response is to advertise?

Zheng, Israel was the DARLING of the American left, because it was one of the few socialist countries that had ever WORKED. And if they were constantly defeating the feudal Arabs...that only proved that Marx had been right all along. That ended only with he Six-Day War, when the Soviet Union turned against Israel...so of course all good American lefties had to do the same.

Richard C-458756

The Iranian leadership is bent on destroying ALL infidel's!

There is no evidence to support that Richard. Religously fundamental, absolutely. Crazy, yup. But no more than Israel with the exception that Iran kills their own and Israel kills anyone who opposes them.

Grandpa, Richard, we no longer have a democracy in America, what we have is an illusion of choice and democracy while our government is bent on destroying democracy throughout the world for colonialism and imperialism.

What we get to choose is if we want death by drowning or death by fire. The fire/drowning can be replaced by Democrat/Republican or vice versa.

Psst, we never had a democracy, our country was founded on being a Republic, but over time and the dummying down of our educational system, in part by the liberals, DNC and the Teachers Unions, many believes we are run by a democracy, but soon to be a Monarchy, with Obama proclaiming to be king, once our economy collapse and he can declare Martial Law of the land.

Robo ...

We are not and never have been a democracy? A republic cannot be a democracy? Seems you failed your short required political science classes back in high school. Next you will try to proove there is a factual difference between democrats and republicans. You are a fine example, in this scenerio at least, of stupid is as stupid does.

For your information, a short touch on history, Athens was a City State (a Republic) which was governed through the laws of demos (democracy) where-in the people not the crown king made the valued choices that effected their individual rights. Happy hunting.

RoboCop

I agree with most of what you said above. Those claiming we are solely a Democracy should try reading such things as the Pledge of Allegiance, Lincoln's Gettysburg Address, and last but not least the Constitution of the United States.

GM Chef

Seems Iran and NK blame everyone for their problems with life and in the world. A great diversion for their lack of providing for their citizens. Hmm, diversion, I seem to think that is working elsewhere too! (no sarcasm intended!!!) LOL

GM jack!!!

Seems Iran and NK blame everyone for their problems with life and in the world. A great diversion for their lack of providing for their citizens. Hmm, diversion, I seem to think that is working elsewhere too! (no sarcasm intended!!!) LOL

ain't that the truth!!!

it's a shame this is actually real life. almost sounds like a rendition of the sit-com "Heil Honey I'm Home".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heil_Honey_I%27m_Home!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWjCkcAmzDc

Someone could be making a lot of $$$ creating a sit-com about Iran and NK. They wouldn't have to think very hard or wait long to get their material.

GM Chef and Jack!

Spot on!!

GM FedupwithFed

I used to be a sports official, then and now, I call'em as i see'em! Thanks.

Why Iran is falling into Russia’s arms

http://www.nypost.com/f/print/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/why_iran_is_falling_into_russia_ynb2NrixZYgiTmeaYu88KN#axzz2Kt3KSR6Y

There are other signs of change in Moscow-Tehran relations. Last week, Iran played host to Russian warships visiting Bandar Abbas on the Strait of Hormuz in what looks like the opening gambit for a Russian naval presence in the strategic waterway....

• Moscow and Tehran regard what they see as an US strategic retreat under President Obama as an opportunity. They think that, with the United States out, no other power has the capacity to check their regional ambitions.

Students of Bible prophecy will find all this particularly interesting. After all, the Hebrew prophet Ezekiel wrote 2,500 years ago that a dictator (Gog) from the territory we now call Russia (Magog) would form an alliance in the "last days" with Persia (what we now call Iran) and a group of other Middle Eastern countries.

The goal of the alliance will be to threaten and then attack a prosperous and secure Israel in the years following Israel's prophetic rebirth. Such an event has never happened in human history, but a growing number of Jewish and Christian Bible scholars and teachers believe geopolitical trends suggest the fulfillment of the “War of Gog and Magog” prophecy might not be so far off.

http://flashtrafficblog.wordpress.com/2011/05/09/what-is-the-war-of-gog-and-magog-part-one/

Russia and Iran are NOT true friends. Until Iran can "tamed" the jihads that are supporting Russia's own Muslim Problems, they will not truly ally!

Google "Nord Ost", kids.

You will understand that Russia will never go to war alongside Iran or any other Islamic nation, especially not against the country that brought them hamburgers and Hollywood, nor are they likely to got to war against a country where 20% of population speaks Russian.

Good Point!!

The only person in Washington who misunderstands Iran is Hagel. Nice going Mr. President. Next thing you know those two will want to sell high tech that fat baby in North Korea.

Iran's leadership is crazy and religiously fundamental, BUT they have never attacked another nation first.

The Israeli government got into power through terrorism, how are they so different than the muslim fundamental terrorists ?

"how are they so different than the muslim fundamental terrorists ?"

1) Their terrorism was carried out by people who escaped from Nazi concentration camps, only to discover that in the Middle East British and Arabs are determined to toss them back into the clutches of the Nazis. For them, the only alternative to terrorism is death.

Muslim Fundamentalists, on the other hand are turning to terrorism out of prejudice, no one is exterminating them. All the problems their people face could be resolved through peaceful hard work.

2) Israeli government, for all it's flaws, is still democratic. They do not have absolute power and they are going through elections fare and square.

3) Israel does not practice oppression of other religions. Israel includes citizens of all religions, they all have equal rights and opportunities, including opportunity to be represented in the government.

Eli, first off it is fair, not fare which (fare) is the value you pay in compensation for a service. See .. cab fare.

Secondly, isreal does degenerate and oppress islamics in their own territory and in captured zones.

It is okay to love a thing, however, not when your love is blind ignorance. I suggest you reread your bible dear as your mind is decayed from it's facts and your stupidity.

"Secondly, isreal does degenerate and oppress islamics in their own territory and in captured zones."

That is simply not true.

In Israel people of all religions and nationalities have equal rights. There are Muslim politicians in Knesset, Muslim soldiers in IDF, successful Muslim-owned businesses.

Don't take my word for it, do some research, reduce your own blind ignorance, unless your mind is completely decayed from one-sided sources and your stupidity.

Eli100

"how are they so different than the muslim fundamental terrorists ?"

1) Their terrorism was carried out by people who escaped from Nazi concentration camps, only to discover that in the Middle East British and Arabs are determined to toss them back into the clutches of the Nazis. For them, the only alternative to terrorism is death.

Muslim Fundamentalists, on the other hand are turning to terrorism out of prejudice, no one is exterminating them. All the problems their people face could be resolved through peaceful hard work.

2) Israeli government, for all it's flaws, is still democratic. They do not have absolute power and they are going through elections fare and square.

3) Israel does not practice oppression of other religions. Israel includes citizens of all religions, they all have equal rights and opportunities, including opportunity to be represented in the government.

First the simple short answer, terrorism is terrorism, no matter how you try and justify it.

If you knew anything of history or geo-politics, you would know that muslims aren't fighting because of islam, they are fighting for the same reasons the jewish people did to attain Israel. A foreign occupation, oppression, and the indiscriminate killing of their people.

It may be a flawed democracy, but Iran is still a democracy. And actually the American governments CIA is the reason these fundamental crazies are in power in the first place. I won't go into the details but do some reading on the CIA's destruction of democracy in Iran and the puppet they put into the power the Shah during Operation Ajax.

Iran has the second largest jewish population in the Middle East, so they apparently have more religious freedom than either you're aware of or would like to admit.

"If you knew anything of history or geo-politics, you would know that muslims aren't fighting because of islam, they are fighting for the same reasons the jewish people did to attain Israel. A foreign occupation, oppression, and the indiscriminate killing of their people."

In other words Muslims are fighting over things that do not exist. Jews are not foreign occupiers, they are indigenous to the area. They are not killing indiscriminately, they only retaliate when attacked, and they are not oppressing Muslims. Muslims in Israel have equal rights, in fact they have more rights than people in any of the Arab states.

Eli, as I have said before, blind following is the only true ignorance. Whether it be muslim fanatics or peopleyou who pretend that israel never hurts anyone. You think Israel does not torture abuse oppress those who would even seem to act against israel, then you are the ignorant one. My love for the modern State of Israel is in the fact that it is NOT like the ancient state of jerusalem. Peace isn't the main policy for assuring peace, the jews know that better then all others so why pretend they do not terrorize when they need to and oppress when they must? You think because a black man in america might own a buisness in the late 1970's that he wasn't oppressed and degenerated by the main society and have that pressed upon him as a goverment not only looks aside but also applauds the behaviour? You can't be that ignorant as to say, he can't be gay he has a wife ...

Israel doesn't oppress muslims, try being a muslim in occupird zone trieng to get to work in one of those muslim run buisnesses. Paint with an honest brush or loss the faith you claim so pure. truth sucks but it is the only commodity I will ever love.

Eli, I wasn't referring to Israel or the jewish people occupying the Middle East. I was referring to the hundreds of American military bases, the hundreds of thousands of American soldiers, and the drone attacks, not to mention the European troops in the Middle East and other muslim areas.

THAT is the occupation, oppression and indiscriminate killing I was referring to.

And I don't have an issue with Israel's existence, even though that existence was gained through terrorism. My issue with the Israeli government is that they are as arrogant, if not worse, than their enemies and somehow they always get a free pass and are perceived as the "good" guys. I agree that muslims are given equal rights in Israel, although they don't have equal representation in the government, just as the jews in Iran seem to have equal rights as the muslim Iranians.

The retaliation only when attacked is debatable at best. If you look at the numbers of civilians killed by Hamas/Fatah versus the civilians killed by Israeli government aggression in the last 10-12 years, the imbalance is staggering.

Your issue is that you're conditioned to argue your subjectivity to the end because you're usually faced with the other extreme of subjectivity.

You don't know how to respond to my objectivity, which at it's core is this, just because one side is bad, doesn't automatically make the other side good.

I don't have an issue with the people of Israel or of the Middle East, it's the corrupt oppressive governments throughout the world that I have issue with. Because at the end of the day they are the ones living in mansions and palaces, reaping the benefits of their tyranny and oppression while poor people suffer and die.

"just because one side is bad, doesn't automatically make the other side good." - true, but it is perfectly realistic for one side to be better.

"The retaliation only when attacked is debatable at best. If you look at the numbers of civilians killed by Hamas/Fatah versus the civilians killed by Israeli government aggression in the last 10-12 years, the imbalance is staggering." - So, by your logic USA was the aggressor during WWII, since they lost the fewest civilians of all participants. The imbalance you refer to is caused by the fact that Hamas and Fatah have been doing their best to place their own civilians in danger, while IDF did their best to defend their own civilians. An objective debater would be aware of that.

Lore,

There is a long way from private cases of discrimination to governmental oppression. Yest here are cases of discrimination in Israel, but those can be fought and are fought in court. Those legal battles would become a lot easier if Hamas and Hezbollah were not constantly discrediting their nation in the eyes of the rest of Israel, the Arab representation in Knesset would've also increased a great deal.

As for Israeli mansions and palaces, those pale in comparison to the mansions and palaces of some Arab leaders who build those by convincing their people that they are fighting against Western tyranny and oppression.

My issue is not with Arabs or Muslims, but with their leaders who started this pointless war and keep jump-starting it every time there is a chance for peace.

Eli100

"just because one side is bad, doesn't automatically make the other side good." - true, but it is perfectly realistic for one side to be better.

Not even going to waste my time responding to that.

Where did I say the Israeli government was the AGGRESSOR ? I said aggression, not aggressor, let's get your manipulation of my words straight before I even continue.

I wasn't talking about WW2, or any war for that matter. What I was referring to was the back and forth attacks between the IDF (the former terrorist organization Haganah) and Hamas/Fatah. Where no war was underway, just terrorist attacks and AGGRESSION on BOTH sides.

I'm not surprised one bit that you ran to WW2 in response to my post, and your twisting and manipulation of my words. It is what Howard Zinn calls one of the three American holy wars. Not holy in religious terms, but how there is little debate on the reasoning and righteousness for entering those wars (The Revolutionary War, The Civil War, and WW2), although once entered in and victorious only the upper class seemed to benefit in the first two, and our government killed close to a million civilians in WW2.

So while I agree that fascism had to go, a lot of civilians were killed, and we imprisoned over 100,000 Japanese Americans as well here at home.

But I digress, your argument is pointless anyway because there hasn't been an attack on the American civilian population during war times in a LONG time.

The imbalance you refer to is caused by the fact that Hamas and Fatah have been doing their best to place their own civilians in danger, while IDF did their best to defend their own civilians.

That is a common argument that a good number of people use without actually thinking it through. Israel is slightly larger than Massachusetts, with a slightly larger population. The entire Gaza Strip is smaller than Philadelphia with about 200,000 more people than Philadelphia.

Point being there isn't a place you could fire a missile into Philadelphia where it wouldn't harm the civilian population. The size, strength, and technology of the IDF can strike back in MANY ways without indiscriminately firing from a distance, which in turn kills scores of Palestinians citizens.

Gaza is not nearly as packed with people as some claim. It actually includes a desert.

There is certainly no necessity to place rocket-launchers on the roofs of schools or hospitals, or to hide weapons in a Musk.

The thing is, in the past Israel did try to avoid such targets, then Hamas exploited those the best they could, that led to more Israelis dead, and still plenty of Palestinians dead.

So, Israel had to give up trying to protect the enemy civilians, and concentrated on protecting their own.

Forget WWII, can you name any participant in any war that valued the lives of enemy civilians over the lives of their own soldiers? Any one at all?

Just look up the square mileage of Gaza and it's population, and then compare it to a large city like Philadelphia. Enough said.

But we're America, supposedly the most advanced, intelligent, righteous country in the world, no ? We are led to believe, and rightfully so, that we are above morally and technologically killing innocent civilians, because we should be. Violence is the least intelligent way to deal with a situation. And even the three holy wars I mentioned in the earlier post started out with good intentions, but ended up being not so good.

And the bottom line is this, war is terrorism, war is the indiscriminate killing of innocent people namely children.

You're allowing your fear of freedom to allow you to support the maintenance of the status quo and criticize critical thinking and legitimate social change.

No, "square mileage" is not "enough said", people are not butter, they do not get spread evenly, there are always densely populated areas and there are always empty spaces.

Hamas could set their rocket-launchers in the empty spaces if they were concerned about thier civilians.

"But we're America" - I though we were talking about Israel. Or did you just confirm my original suspicion that you simply see Israel as an extension of America? They are not, they fighting a battle for survival and they can not afford sentiments of a superpower.

"war is the indiscriminate killing of innocent people" - couldn't agree more, that's what's war does no matter who is fighting it, it puts people in front of a very simple choice: kill or be killed. The only way out of it for any people is to protect their own by any means necessary and it's pointless to demand more of anybody, no matter how advanced or intelligent they are.

"You're allowing your fear of freedom to allow you to support the maintenance of the status quo and criticize critical thinking and legitimate social change." - I do fear something, all right, but it's not "fear of freedom".

On the contrary, I fear FOR my freedom. I fear that I might find myself robbed of opportunities available to everyone, the way my parents were, or forced to run for my life from extermination, they way my grandparents did, or waiting for a group of angry villagers with pitchforks and torches, the way great-grandparents did. All that stands between my people and all those things is Israel, so we see the need to support it, and remarks like yours don't do much to reduce out fear.

Russia is no more unstable than USA; China's cyber warfare is probably primitive compared to the USA. There is not going to be a military war between USA & China or USA & Russia; that's pure hogwash put out there for the uneducated, uninformed Americans to keep them brainwashed. And that garbage about the USA must refocus to the Orient to keep the sea lanes open from China'a aggression; China is the last country in the world that wants the sea lanes closed; they are the worlds factories and bankers. All this is just an excuse to spend money on the war machine to keep the politicians and their friends rich and getting richer; but to get away with it, they need to brainwash the ignorant in America because they need their support. In the Middle East, what worked was screaming, "they just want democracy", and "he's killing his own people", and the American people jumped on the band wagon. Not all Americans fell for the scam, but enough to get away with it.

Zheng He: Though I can agree on some of your points, I do part ways with your thinking about the sea lanes. China does not want America to keep them open for international trade; China wants to keep those lanes open - under their conditions and control.

China now has the economic capacity and political will to improve its military force and redefine its role in the Pacific Rim by making territorial claims. Only the U.S. can counter their position.

You use a trite argument about America's military industrial complex as a means of captains of industry getting richer and politicians lining their pockets all the while duping the "ignorant". That is shallow analysis at best. There is no point in brainwashing the ignorant for they are out of the picture. The mechanisms behind American military might must convince a now vigilant American public that we need a strong, gobal military force. Why, the likes of North Korea, Iran, northern Africa and Al Qaida and China's ever expanding role in Asia are all the reasons we need. Who has been on watch and on the front lines for Europe and much of Asia since WWII? America. Who can take our place now? No one. No other country has the will or the resources to take our place.

Lastly, I agree with you that we will not fight, I refere to the money factor. China battling us would be like burning down the bank where one holds his money and investments. War between the two would be bad for business.

@ Zheng

Russia is as unstable as we are. The Global economy got a good whacking and we are a global economy. China is actually quite prolific when it comes to hacking. Not only will they hack ... they send people to work for these global companies and steal trade secrets. So you really shouldn't call someone else ignorant. That means "not Knowing". I saw the hacking story not only on CBS but read articles on other journalism sites. Reverse engineering is a huge money maker but stealing intel is larger profit. They don't have to spend money on R&D. I think it is far more ignorant to claim to know what another country will do. Oh, here's an example: Pearl Harbor. Nobody saw that one coming. So, try to debate instead of flame. You would be more persuasive.

Zheng,

Sun Tzu would himself tell you the level of ignorance propaganda creates when it is not backed up by at least partial truths. I myself have no fear of war between china or the united states or russia, in seperate wars or as all three nations bloodieng the waters. However, your stark and one sided interpretation makes you no better then the simple market manipulator you claim everyone else is. Do you think you are stating something new and unique by pointing out tactics and national jockieng techniques that have been used for several thousand years? Without these major nations keeping at each other your ability to comminicate using this high tech platform wouldn't exist. Are you so stupid as to think great nations do not purpossefully aid each others growth by virtue of war, or, is it rather you wish everyonoe give you the same credit Confuscious achieved? Try comming up with something new or sally john (your likely real name) will be the end of your chance at being remembered through the ages.

I'm still trying to figure out why we give a rat's ass about these countries... Leave them alone, let them self-destruct.

Because they might get lonely during self-destruction and might want to drag us in with them.

Ah keith, spouting more of the same old tired unfounded ignorance. try reading the koran, just because modern men with limp dicks (see you for referrence) use ignorance as a power tool and lack the balls to carry it out themselves does not mean the original law read the way your propganda mouth has learned to believe it.

I must be at the wrong feud. I thought it was between the Montagues and the Capulets.

Nope, this is just keeping up with the Jones's

And you're not biased?

We all are. Now move past it.

Newsmedia publicly claims to be objective. And the public assumes they are objective.

You write things as if you are some factual authority on policies and actions of Reuters and NBC Dougmiller. Your conjecture and speculation stating them as truths makes you a liar and a republican. Crawl back in your hole troll.

I hope I live long enough to see all Muslim Nations wiped off the face of the Earth and given there 12 virgin demons to spend eternity with. A Country that promotes false prophets and mistreats women and children! Yet claims in all in the name of Allah the idiot! They should've all left like the cast of shahs of sunset! Obama would welcome them with open arms

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gudprsn,

So your sky fairy is better than their sky fairy?

lol!

Exactly ! LMAO

Or to fly to the sun without burning a wing,
To lie in the meadow and hear the grass sing,
To have all these things in our memories hoard,
And to use them,
To help us,
To find...

No gudprsn, islam is not an enemy to all. Zionism is the enemy.

I grew up in the 40s - now and never heard of any trouble with Islam as a religion until the 1990s, when the neocons made a concerted effort to demonize them through the use of the Zionist media.

No one in the 1950s was saying that Islam was anything, but peaceful. I know it, because I lived it, along with my entire generation. We never gave it a thought.

Now all of a sudden, we have Jews writing on these forums all kinds of terrible things about Islam. They write how we should nuke Iran, despite the fact Iran has not started a war with another country in almost 200 years.Meanwhile, Israel sits with over 150 nuclear weapons, including nuclear submarines capable of launching nukes on America, wanting to bomb Iran.

Israel has the Sampson option, where if their leaders feel the State of Israel is threatened with imminent destruction, they will incinerate the earth. They are the greatest theat to the world.

Preeminent Israeli military historian, Martin van Creveld, in 2010 said Israel could
find itself one day forced to exterminate the European continent using all
kinds of weapons including its nuclear arsenal if it felt its demise neared,”
and stressed that “Israel also considers Europe a hostile target.”

“We have hundreds of nuclear warheads and
missiles that can reach different targets in the heart of the European
continent, including beyond the borders of Rome, the Italian capital,” Creveld
said, adding that most of the European capitals would become preferred targets
for the Israeli air force.

He reiterated “Israel’s ability to destroy the
whole world whenever it felt its existence would be doomed to extinction.”

Of cause you haven't heard anything bad about Islam in the 40s and 50s. At that time they were only hurting Jews, and good Christians were at peace with that.

Now, that they got carried away and started killing Christians and Atheists every once in a while, the truth came out and you can't handle it, so you have to make up that nonsense about Jews wanting to destroy the world.

I love the Moody Blues!

eli. you are a pow. the argument is not religious but political. you are trying to make the argument about muslims vs jews and christians to your convinient, but don't forget that you in israel are oppressing both christians and muslims the same. deceive ,devide and conqure.I am by no means muslim,but isn' this true"

When Jews were persecuted during the Spanish Inquisition sponsored by the Christian Church, they found new homes in Turkey and North Africa, where Muslims accepted them. And during the Russian pogroms, the Muslims of Central Asian countries again took in and protected the persecuted Jewish refugees.

But when the Jews built their own nation state, they did not return the good deeds done on their behalf by Muslims through the ages. Instead, they subjected Palestinians to cruel and inhumane treatment, as well as oppressing the native populations of Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Syria, Tunisia, and now Iraq and Iran, through direct or indirect aggression. So much for paying back a favour.

Yes Jews found refuge in the Ottoman empire, but only as second class citizens, with extra taxes and restrictions.

In the 19th century, they had the nerve to start acting like equals, so Arabs started attacking their settlements for extortion. So Jews fought back.

Then during WWII, when Jews needed help more than ever, Arabs simply closed the doors on them and with the help of British started tossing them back to the Nazis.

The moment "Jews built their own nation state" Arabs declared a full-out war on them, so Jews fought back as hard as they could.

You really should stop trying to twist history into a pretzel.

My only question is, how much do you want to pay to kick their ass. You'll flip the bill. Hope you don't have any kids.

The bill? What is the government doing with your money beside giving it away to fake lazy lying cheating unamericans! I prefer to use my tax dollar to keep our nation safe and promote democracy.

Let it rain down upon them!! radioactive style!

@Mike40------ The US has payed enough money to make every Israli a millinare. But there's no stopping it. Tax day is comming. I hope you enjoy it.

@mike-------- The bill? What is the government doing with your money beside giving it away to fake lazy lying cheating unamericans!

You mean like Isreal. RIGHT?? And Egypt, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Kazakistan, South Korea, Japan, Viet Nam, etc.

And the beat goes on. Sonny and Cher

marywhatever

My only question is, how much do you want to pay to kick their ass. You'll flip the bill. Hope you don't have any kids.

Agreed, great post !

Mike40MD

The bill? What is the government doing with your money beside giving it away to fake lazy lying cheating unamericans! I prefer to use my tax dollar to keep our nation safe and promote democracy.

Safe ? What nations have the military capability in the Middle East to attack America ? None, possibly Israel, but they're our "ally".

Promoting democracy is a farce as well since your tax dollars go to the global destruction of democracy. Our government pretends to love democracy, yet they traverse the globe destroying it to benefit colonialism and imperialism. In the meantime back home in the USA we only have an illusion of democracy remaining.

Muslims don't typically attack in full military mode..they use the likes of Naser Abdo, the would-be second Fort Hood jihad mass murderer; and Khalid Aldawsari, the would-be jihad mass murderer in Lubbock, Texas; and Muhammad Hussain, the would-be jihad bomber in Baltimore; and Mohamed Mohamud, the would-be jihad bomber in Portland; and Faisal Shahzad, the would-be Times Square jihad mass-murderer; and Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, the Arkansas military recruiting station jihad murderer; and Naveed Haq, the jihad mass murderer at the Jewish Community Center in Seattle; and Mohammed Reza Taheri-Azar, the would-be jihad mass murderer in Chapel Hill, North Carolina; Ahmed Ferhani and Mohamed Mamdouh, who hatched a jihad plot to blow up a Manhattan synagogue; and Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the would-be Christmas airplane jihad bomber; and many others like them who have plotted and/or committed mass murder in the name of Islam and are motivated by its texts and teachings — all in the U.S. in the last couple of years.

pulsar182, with the exception of Abdullahakim Mujahid Muhammad and Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, likening the rest of those men to actual muslim fundamental terrorists is ridiculous.

The rest of them are more similar to Timothy McVeigh, Eric Harris, Dylan Klebold, Mark O. Barton, Jeffrey Weise, Seung-Hui Cho, Jiverly Wong, Jared Loghner, James Holmes, Adam Lanza, or any number of the long list of mass murderers in America.

They had no actual connection to any terrorist organizations, and they were just severely disturbed and troubled men who took their mental/social issues out on others. The ones you mentioned just happened to use islam as an excuse. The Columbine shooters used music and video games as an excuse, does their weak minds mean we should ban everything related to mass killings ? That list could get long and confusing.

Just what I was thinking. After being threatened with 'wiping Israel off the face of the Earth', I'm sure the recent threat of a revenge killing REALLY makes them scared. LMFAO.

The Iranian regime is doing nothing but sable rattling. It's to their best interests to raise as many issues against their enemies as reasonable possible and continue to divert attention to becoming a nuclear armed state. At this point, they will claim their place at the NWO nuclear power table and demands will be made!

"The Iranian regime is doing nothing but sable rattling"

MidwestMac,

I think you mean "Saber" or "Sabre" rattling. A "sable" is a small species of a mammal primarly found in Russia, which is used to make high end coats. A "sabre" is a curved type sword with a single edge blade.

By the way, anyone who still wears real animal fur, ( in this day and age of easily produced synthetics ) is a queer! No disrespect to homosexuals intended, it's just a figure of speech.

The Islamic problem is a ficticious compilation of Zionist proaganda and a false flag attack on 9/11, which was designed to demonize the Muslim community. The real enemy of the US is the Zionist control of our media and our government. Take a look at who was running our Pentagon prior to 9/11 and the war with Iraq. They were dual citizen Israeli/Americans, all with close tires to the Likud government of Sharon. These men planned and sold the Iraq war. 9/11 was an inside job and you can be sure these pieces of excrement were heavily involved.

Chairman Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board - Richard Perle

Deputy Defense Secretary (Former) - Paul Wolfowitz

Under Secretary of Defense - Douglas Feith

National Security Council Advisor - Elliott Abrams

Under Secretary for Arms Control - David Wurmser

Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board - Eliot Cohen

National Security Study Group - Edward Luttwak

Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board - Kenneth Adelman

Defense Intelligence Agency Analyst (Former) - Lawrence (Larry) Franklin ( the AIPAC
spy)

National Security Council Advisor - Robert Satloff

RLTW Ranger3/75 11Z5V

Israel,

You have them, use them! Nuke Iran and Syria back to the stone age, ( they're not far from it anyway ). And then dare Egypt, Pakistan or any of the other Muslim countries to do something about it. What is the sense of having a means to end all the B.S. over there if you aren't going to use it. NUKES, the great equalizer. Use them or lose them. As a matter of fact, the U.S. should have already taken care of the Islamic problem with some well placed theater sized weapons.

Great idea, that won't start World War 3 or anything, since Iran has never attacked another nation first in their existence. There will be loads of international support for Iran if Israel was to nuke them.

The Islamic problem is a ficticious compilation of Zionist proaganda

I suppose all those Muslim attacks upon Christians, Jews, and other non-Muslim religions that are occuring everyday just aren't really happening...Right?

Thats right Pulsar. Name one attack by Muslims on Christians that happened in the past week or month. You said every day. We are killing Muslims every day in their own land. Since when is a Chrisian life worth more than a Muslim one or of an atheist or a Buddist?

By the way, did we not attack Iraq over WMD, which did not exist, killing hundreds of thousands? Tell us, what did Iraq do to deserve the "shock and awe" attacks? Did we not go to Afghanistan and kill thousands of civilians, some in wedding parties? Afghanistan never attacked the US. There was not one Afghanistan or Iraq citizen involved in 9/11, which was an inside job, with some al-Qaeda planning. The great majority of people killed on 9/11, were killed when the WTCs fell due to being rigged with explosives set by the Mossad, so they would fall in a controlled demolition.

Did Israel not attack Gaza and kill more than 1400 people, mostly women and children and the kill over 1000 in Lebanon, with massive air strikes?

Answer my questions! We have killed hundreds of thousands of Muslims, most of whom were just trying to live their lives.

SuperSkunk,

That is exactly what we need, WW3. This world is too over populated as it is. If we could just trim the population numbers down a little bit, ( 4 billion would do ) this world would be better off.

Truthfully, the population cuts should come from the industrialized nations, we are the ones screwing everything up. Just detonate 20 high EMP yield nukes equally spaced at an altitude of about 200 miles. That high up, there will be no structural damage, no fallout and very little radiation issues, ( high EMP = low radioactivity, normally ). Space them out along the latitude and longitude lines above all the continents. 4 above North America, 3 above South America, 5 from England to the Bering Strait, 4 over Africa from Libya to South Africa, 3 over China, Japan and Southeast Asia and 1 over Australia. That will send all of us technologicallyback to the early 1800s. That ought to thin out the population by a few billion. Don't think so? Just imagine what would happen to civilization if electricity and every modern solid state electronic device suddenly got fried by electromagnetic pulse, BACK TO THE STONE AGE BABY!!!!!!

hey RLTW!

I see you lost the scarey picture! I agree population culling is the primary manner in which to bandage the problem, however, leaving any reminder of technology would only insure massive repopulation in too short a window for it to have long term effect. To add, I also dislike your method, to hands off for my taste!

Hope to see you around!

Yeah, I got rid of the gun slinging avatar. It did look a little on the "extremist side".

So, what is your suggestion for depopulating the planet? Full scale surface or mid-altitude burst nuke war? My favorite would be something along the lines of a plague, with about a 90% mortality rate. Humans are a disease on this planet. We do nothing but destroy, pollute or otherwise trash everything we come in contact with. Maybe if we could start over, but keep the memories of what it was like, we would decide to stay an agrarian species. Technology does nothing but @!$%# up everything.

If it does happen and I'm still around, when my hurricane stockpile runs out, I'll sell my military skills for a can of peaches and case of Bud Light.

RLTW, at first I thought you were a wackjob, but after reading your posts (with the exception of genocides), you raise good points that I can somewhat agree with.

spoken like a true coward with no moral convictions other than reading his next sci-fi book and star wars convention

Agreed, gizmowiz.

spoken like a true coward with no moral convictions other than reading his next sci-fi book and star wars convention

lol. You religious nuts keep digging your hole.

Now you know that mikey can't be wrong. It's the Republican way.

Astounding, your post is full of good info and I agree with you, but it's way too long. People these days are too stupid to read that much. Keep your fire, make your posts shorter, just do more posts. You're a warrior, keep up the good work!

Iran sucks. Islam is poison.

"Religion easily has the greatest BS story ever told. Think about it, religion has actually convinced people that there's an INVISIBLE MAN...LIVING IN THE SKY...who watches every thing you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten special things that he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish where he will send to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry for ever and ever 'til the end of time...but he loves you. He loves you and he needs money ! He always needs money. He's all powerful, all perfect, all knowing, and all wise, somehow just can't handle money ! Religion takes in billions of dollars, pays no taxes, and they always need a little more.

The god excuse. The last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument. It came from god. Anything you can't explain, must've come from god. Personally folks I believe if your rights came from god he would have given you the right to some food everyday, and he would've given you the right to a roof over your head. God would've been looking out for ya." - George Carlin

North Korea, Superskunk,

Go to North Korea, that's where you will be happy. No religion allowed.

I'm quite happy here, I don't have to go anywhere.

Typical childish response when you have nothing better to say. "You don't like it here leave, Get 'Er Done !"

I don't have a problem with folks that think they need religion. Just keep it out of my legislation, state and federal, and stop with any and all hate speak towards any and all religion.

Well, living in a democratic country, where all religion is allowed means also being ready for religious people running for your government. You have the right to vote for them, but not to demand banning them form your government all together. That's how it works. If you can live with that, good for you.

Just keep in mind, Atheism has the same danger in extremism as any religion.

hat's why I brought up North Korea. I myself used to live in USSR.

So ,I speak from experience when I say that Atheism does not solve all problems.

You misunderstood me Eli, I don't care what religion anyone believes in. Religion does a lot of good for a lot of good people, regardless that it's a myth.

I don't mind if my leaders are religious, as long as it stays out of politics and legislation. John Adams was a deeply religious man, but even he knew that his religious beliefs (aside from possibly the Golden Rule that appears in almost every religion) had no place in American government and legislation.

And just because I don't believe in monotheism, doesn't automatically make me an atheist. Since I am a very spiritual person, for arguments sake, I would say I'm more like a non theist or possibly a deist or explicit atheist. I'm not a Buddhist either, but I do practice and study the many schools of Qi Gong and follow some Buddhist principles and beliefs. But I'm not a fan of labeling myself so I try to avoid that kind of thing, especially when it comes to the religious/spiritual discussion.

On another separate, yet similar note in response to your voting point, voting under the current system in America does nothing, changes nothing, means nothing, and is completely pointless.

OK, nice to see that we can agree on some things.

However, while voting might not mean as much as it was intended to, it's till not pointless. The only reason our leaders do at least a few things right (even if it's very rarely) is that they need to compete for public opinion.

In the end, both sides do equally poor job, but that poor job is still much better that the job done by those who don't need to worry about loosing the elections, like Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, for example.

I see by now that you are one of those good liberals, who are extremely unsatisfied with the system, and therefore can't keep from gaining sympathy for the enemies of this system. That is also why you feel the need to condemn Israel. Our government supports them, so they have to be bad.

I don't blame you, this system has many flaws, but alternatives are much worse. I actually have lived in another system and have a chance to compare, so I have ground for telling you that you are extremely lucky and should appreciate the system you live in, in spite of all it's flaws.

I feel something, but I don't think it's love. It feels more like a turd trying to poke it's way out of my ass.

I would agree with you if there was an example of any change in our governments domestic and foreign policies that didn't involve civil disobedience from the public.

If you look at the voting history of either side there are numerous times where both parties vote against their "core" beliefs. Not to mention how hypocritical they can be in their belief systems, the largest being the pro life/pro choice and pro death penalty/anti death penalty argument. It's all an illusion of choice. If we really were meant to choose and have democracy there wouldn't be two parties holding all the power and money. It would be a level playing field, and it's far from that.

And they don't care about public opinion during elections, they never address the real issues during elections, just issues they have us conditioned to believe we actually care about. Which in turn keeps us atomized, isolated and arguing amongst ourselves while they continue working for the corporations that really pull their strings.

When they really need to change public opinion they resort to the propaganda machine. Which all started when the American people wanted nothing to do with WW1, and one of Woodrow Wilson's campaign platforms was keeping America out of WW1 at all costs. What happened when he got into office ? The Creel Committee was created, and the American people were lied to about atrocities committed by the Huns. Soon after America entered WW1.

"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it." - Mark Twain

Like I said, this country has many flaws, but everything is discovered in comparison.

You still wont find a better deal out there, at least not in the near future.

I still like it, because I tried living in a system that wouldn't give us even that "illusion of choice" that you take for granted.

You never know how precious it is until you loose it.

I'll admit that I live in one of the best countries and societies in the world.

But does that mean I should just shut up and accept all the tyranny, corruption, and oppression and just be a mindless zombie ? That's not the kind of person I am, or the kind of person I want to raise my children to be.

And let's not forget that an economy based on perpetual war and trash isn't going to survive too long, that's what our government has turned our economy and country into, and it's going to come crashing down hard sooner than later.

I could also point out the numerous violations of the Constitution our "elected" officials are guilty of committing, some openly and some behind our backs.

The government exists to serve the people, the people don't exist to serve the government.

Part of what makes this system the best is that you can complain all you want.

By all means, bash your officials to the fullest, just remember, it's not the system itself you are fighting, it's the fight within the system, that is actually a crucial part of the system itself.

That above all proves that voting is not pointless, and that country does not have to come down crashing. It's changing all the time,and it will change again, and believe it or not you get to play a part in how it changes. We all do.

With the future looking so bleak in your opinion, let's move along to another topic. Green energy anyone? Climate change anyone? Oh Fuk it, if there is going to be mini-nuclear wars popping up all over the place what's the point with any of the other topics mentioned above? An atmosphere of laced chemicals, thick radioactive allergens and off the chart radiations making most anything that reproduces none fertile. What reproduction does make it through the life forming cycle will turn out to look like what you may see in alien space movies and sideshow circus entertainment. Bleak future indeed, please change the canvas often!

Notice how the Zionist war mongers, like Rick, want the US to nuke Iran, but whine and cry wolf about Iran's non existent nuclear weapons program. I say non existent, because our intelligence agencies have all declared that Iran does not have a nuclear weapons program.

Iran has not attacked another country in almost 200 years, while Israel has attacked all of their neighbors.

If Israel was involved in killing the Iranian in Syria, I say good luck to Iran. The government of Syria is an Iranian ally, so the Iranian had every right to be there. Israel has been implicated in the deaths of several Iranian scientists, so Iran should go for it. Turnabout is fair play.

Furthermore, what is all the stuff about America nuking Iran? It is Israel who has the problem, let them handle it alone. They have the nukes. Israel loves to involve America in it's problems.

1992: Israeli
parliamentarian Benjamin Netanyahu tells his colleagues that Iran is 3 to 5
years from being able to produce a nuclear weapon – and that the threat
had to be "uprooted by an international front headed by the US."

1992:
Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres tells French TV that Iran was set to have
nuclear warheads by 1999. "Iran is the greatest threat and greatest
problem in the Middle East," Peres warned, "because it seeks the
nuclear option while holding a highly dangerous stance of extreme religious
militancy."

1992:
Joseph Alpher, a former official of Israel's Mossad spy agency, says "Iran
has to be identified as Enemy No. 1."

1992: Israeli parliamentarian Benjamin Netanyahu tells his colleagues that Iran is 3 to 5 years from being able to produce a nuclear weapon – and that the threat had to be "uprooted by an international front headed by the US."

1992: Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres tells French TV that Iran was set to have nuclear warheads by 1999. "Iran is the greatest threat and greatest problem in the Middle East," Peres warned, "because it seeks the nuclear option while holding a highly dangerous stance of extreme religious militancy."

1992: Joseph Alpher, a former official of Israel's Mossad spy agency, says "Iran has to be identified as Enemy No. 1."

Hey guys, where are the nukes you claimed they would have? It has been over 20 years since the Israeli made their claim and still no nukes. Still, there are suckers out there, biting on every word of Zionist propaganda.

WWIII is most likely coming! Most of us here in the US know it's just a matter of time. And just like WWII, we don't want anything to do with it. Let the Arabs and Jews sort out their own mess without our aid or any help whatsoever. Most Americans realize that Israel is not a good ally and is often described as blood sucking leeches by most Americans. Especially the Jewish Americans who are financially destroying our country! What makes me sick is most of these Jews think Americans don't know the history behind all this bloodshed in the middle east. Fact is most of us do know the history and do not blame Iran for their actions. It has nothing to do with being antisemitic. Most of us are just sick of their bs. Only Americans who support Israel are either Jews themselves or their supporters who have been paid off by Jews. Which by the way are very few although many have influence here with the political criminals who run this country. If only we sided with the Axis during WWII the world might be a better place today! Think about it! Our relationship with Japan & Germany is a whole lot better for the US in many ways than it ever has been with Israel. Fact!!! And I can almost guarantee a friendship with Iran will put the US in a better world position than it's current friendship with Israel. We do not want another war because of Jew propaganda in the middle east! So if your pushing to nuke Iran then get out of the US and go Jew yourself into oblivion in Israel without involving Americans! We have enough problems of our own to deal with here in the states than helping the Jews fight a war they started!

I say non existent, because our intelligence agencies have all declared that Iran does not have a nuclear weapons program.

Do you believe everything told to you?

Israel has attacked all of their neighbors

More like counter attacked...

Has Iran ever attacked another country first since the Iranian Revolution ? No. What are you talking about, besides war mongering that is.

My mom once told me about sticks and stones, you know that one ?

The "Iron Dome" is working well. Hell, it was paid for by the American taxpayer, to the tune of a billion dollars. You would think the Israelis could have paid for it themselves, but AIPAC saw to it that our Congress would shell our our money, while America goes bankrupt. The biggest reason we are so far in debt, is the cost of our wars with Afghanistan and Iraq, planned and sold by the Zionists.

We lose men and treasure, while Israel sits back and collects money and weapons from the US taxpayers. Now they want us to get all in a dither because some official in Iran, has a problem with Israel assassinating their citizens.

But giving money to Pakistan or Egypt does not hurt our finances at all, right?

Skunk,

"Has Iran ever attacked another country first since the Iranian Revolution ? No." - the correct answer is "yes, just not personally".

SupeSkunk, are you really that naive??? Iran has Hezbollah, Hamas and the Palestinians doing their dirty work, plus supplying explosives, intel and military supplies to Al Qaeda and the Taliban against our troops
in Iraq and Afghanistan. Iran is also trying to unstable other nations and kingdoms in that region, with one goal in mind, to bring back the Persian Empire.

Skunk (what and appropriate name). Hate is always applicable when applied to Islam and the Muslim plague.

Please provide evidence to support your claims, actual evidence, not allegations, accusations, and/or speculation.

I don't believe Iran's accusations that are being made here in this article, it's the same thing as the accusations against them, no concrete evidence.

And where's the outcry for our government selling weapons that kill civilians, like the ones being used currently to murder PRO-DEMOCRACY protestors in Bahrain ? Now THAT there is actual concrete evidence for.

Khomeini did state openly that Iran is always happy to help anyone who fights against Israel. That's not the kind of evidence that would hold in court, but should clear up the situation to an objective viewer.

There's a handful of jewish leaders that have said similar things about fighting islam and wiping islam off the earth.

If you want to talk objective, you MUST present BOTH sides of the story, not just one side or whatever side YOU favor. That would be subjectivity, or a half truth.

None of those Jewish leaders have absolute power in Israel. Most of them have no power at all.

Khomeini is titled Supreme Leader, his word means much more.

Still just words, that was the only point I was trying to make.

When you pass a car in a traffic and the guy in the other car yells: "Drop dead!" - that's just words.

When a guy in a KKK mask stands on your front lawn with a gun and yells: "I am going to kill you!" - that's not just words.

When a wannabe-preacher is standing in a rented auditorium yelling: "We should kill them all!" - that's just words.

When a leader of a country announces in a televised speech: "That country should be destroyed."(while his country is pursuing nukes and terrorist groups that share their faith step up their activity actually killing people) - that is not just words.

I'll once again go back to the root, if Iran had EVER attacked another country first I would agree that it would be more than just words.

The problem is the Iranian clerics have been saying things like this for over THIRTY years and have never attacked Israel or any other country. Which makes their empty rhetoric just words.

BTW, while it is a possibility, there is no evidence that Iran is developing nuclear weapons, so you can't make that statement. And even if they were, uranium needs to be enriched to over 90% to develop a weapon, and in all the years they've had a nuclear program Iran has only enriched uranium to 15-25%. They are a LONG way off to develop a weapon, if they even are.

And where is the outcry for Israel illegally having a nuclear stockpile ? It's quite hypocritical of folks like yourself and our government to automatically assume that Iran is developing nuclear weapons and crying foul, without criticizing Israel for having the largest nuclear stockpile in the Middle East. They are just as much, actually more in violation that Iran since they have weapons and Iran does not.

Iran has been attacking Israel for ages, indirectly, by supporting Hamas and Hezbollah.

"And where is the outcry for Israel illegally having a nuclear stockpile ?" - That is assuming they have weapons.

It's quite hypocritical of folks like you to demand decisive evidence of Iran having nukes, but claiming that Israel has "largest nuclear stockpile in the Middle East" based on no evidence at all.

However, that is irrelevant, Israel can not violate a treaty that they never signed. For them having nukes is perfectly legal. Iran, on the other hand, did sign a treaty, so if they have nukes, they are indeed in violation. They could pull out of the treaty, then having nukes would become legal for them too. However, that would take away the element of surprise, and without it, the whole thing becomes pointless now days. I guess they should've thought of that before signing the treaty.

Uh, no offence but I think you have your scripture a LITTLE confused. It was Satan tempting Christ, and Moses led the children of Israel to the promised land.Two totally different personages.

I don't want to spend the rest of my life
Looking at the barrel of an Armalite
I don't want to spend the rest of my days
Keeping out of trouble like the soldiers say

I don't want to spend my time in hell
Looking at the walls of a prison cell
I don't ever want to play the part
Of a statistic on a government chart

There has to be an invisible sun
It gives it's heat to everyone
There has to be an invisible sun
That gives us hope when the whole day's done