Here's what I read into this:.........Yes...there was an ARGUMENT between the two lovers. The FLASH POINT?.........She must have accused him of having "no feet of his own". THAT ...REALLY hurt his feelings. It's a terrible "feeling" of being made to look "Inadequate". "Something is MISSING......I can't make LOVE....properly".

Well, he thought...."I'll EVEN this playing field". "I'll MAKE SURE that you don't enjoy......your NORMAL life....as you know it."

BANG BANG......you're DEAD.........END of STORY.

So in South Africa you have to prove your innocence?

In the US, the prosecutor must prove guilt.

That's a huge difference

kind of jumping the gun aren't you ?

Nobody is denying he killed her. So it's clear he's guilty, not innocent. The prosecution has a strong case for premeditated murder, and will have to prove it. If his side is to defend him, they must sway the court to believe it was a nasty mistake for a lesser charge, same as in the US.

BUT .. In South Africa, he is more likely to obtain bail under the circumstances than he ever would in the United States .... in the interest of justice.

Prosecutors in the US are "Persecutors".... there is little attempt on their part for a trial to be Their purpose is to obtain a conviction ..regardless of innocence ...

We have been indoctrinated through our entire lives to believe the American system of justice is the fairest in the world ... thats the fantasy that the system needs to operate with impunity !

Oscar Pistorius will receive a fair trial in SA.

In the United States if you claim that you shot an intruder in your house in self-defense it is still on you the defendant to prove that it was self-defense. The prosecution does not prove that you did it in self-defense or that you did not do it in self-defense. The prosecutor only has to prove that you shot and killed someone. It is then up to the jury whether or not they believe your cries of self-defense.

In this case, if they were in fact arguing first and she ran into the bathroom and he then proceeded to shoot her through the door killing her I just don`t see that whole I didn`t know the intruder I was shooting at was my girlfriend so it was self-defense thing is going to ring true.

I'm not convinced it was premeditated. But I am convinced it was murder.

"All sponsors are still on board, and they have given us their commitment towards Oscar, based on the relationships that they have formed with him over the past years," said Peet van Zyl."

Yes, I hear Glock actually wants him in a commercial to endorse the quick deadly power of their weapons. In the commercial he will say something like, "Not even a door can stand in your way!"

@Keley - I've read she also had wounds to the head and there was a bloody cricket bat at the scene. That and the 4 gunshot wounds will make it hard for him to prove he thought she was an intruder and that this was an accident.

Kelcy

In the United States if you claim that you shot an intruder in your house in self-defense it is still on you the defendant to prove that it was self-defense. The prosecution does not prove that you did it in self-defense or that you did not do it in self-defense. The prosecutor only has to prove that you shot and killed someone. It is then up to the jury whether or not they believe your cries of self-defense.

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that is absolutely not true.... in almost all states you can kill an intruder on the spot as the simple fact that they have entered your residence is considered felonious intent and cause for use of deadly force.... outside of your home, yes you will have to prove reasonable fear of great bodily harm or death.....

"Sponsors are standing by..." ...well, figuratively speaking.

Naturally, Nike wll stay with Pistorius until the bitter end.

It's all about money for Nike, which famously stuck with Tiger Woods, Joe Paterno, and Lance Armstrong.

In their ad, Armstrong says, "What am I on? I'm on my bike. What are you on?"

Maybe Nike can come up with some equally catchy ad campaign for Oscar Pistorius after he's been accused of murdering his girlfriend.

Whatcha got for us this time, Nike?

kaybeetoys: brings up an interesting facts, OTHER THAN THE DEAD BODY... you compare a wife cheater and a man who ignored child molesting and a cheater to MURDER..

the sponsor do have alot of balls to stand behind a guy that first shot her the bedroom and fired 3 more shots at her in the bathroom , then finished her off with a cricket bat by bashing in her skull..maybe the intruder (girlfriend) was hard to recognize with all the blood all over her body !

Paul - comment #2 - yeah, that was my thought, too. Kellogg's couldn't wait to drop Michael Phelps and I haven't eaten Kellogg's products since them!

This one sounds complicated. I'll wait for the trial and some evidence before making up my mind.

The prosecutors are not even considering the prospect of a mistaken identity. Not because of the bloodied cricket bat or supposed bashed in skull, and not even because three of the four shots she received went through the bathroom door. I think it was because they believe the first of the four shots that entered her body most likely happened in the bedroom.

Okay, let's see if the known facts match this as being murder, an accidental shooting or mistaking her as an intruder.

* Two hours before this woman was killed, the police were at the home because they were called to break up a fight.

* She was wearing a nightie when police arrived responding to the shooting.

* Pistorius shot her 4 times. He admitted to killing her. There are reports that their may have been more than 4 shots fired. A bullet casing was found on the floor of the bedroom which suggest he may have shot at her in the bedroom and she fled to the bathroom. Police also suspect another shot was fired inside the bathroom after the door was forced open, I'm guessing they found an additional slug in the wall or something.

* There was a bloody cricket bat at the scene which they still haven't come out to say if it was used by Steenkamp to defend herself or by Pistorius to batter down the door and/or to bash his girlfriend's head in with. All that is confirmed so far is that there was a lot of blood on the bat.

* Back to the door. If they were thinking the bat was used to batter down the door, then there must be signs that someone was trying to force their way into the bathroom. That doesn't make sense if you think there's an intruder in there. You'd rather keep them trapped inside until the police arrived.

* So if he thought it was an intruder, where did he think his girlfriend went to? You'd think if there was an intruder, his first concern would be, where is his girlfriend, she was right here in bed in her nightie moments ago. We know she didn't suddenly come and visit him and surprise him because she was there two hours earlier when the police were called to break up a fight.

* One shot, it could have been an accidental gun firing. Four shots or more - forget it!

One final note. We've seen the photos and videos of Pistorius showing up to court and sitting there with his hands covering his face in shame. He did not look like someone who's been hit with a cricket bat to get it covered in blood.

The fact that he is trying to pawn this off as accidental or a mistake in identity shows he has absolutely no remorse!

This is south africa people. Different places have different sensitivities. Glad I am living in America.

you guys forget they have video of reeva getting to his house around 6pm. he's toast.

Yeah, I'm sure a multi millionaire saw a 100 lbs blonde supermodel breaking into his gated community home and was scared for his life... I wish that was my biggest problem. Trust me, I would have ended much differently...

mike-2598123

kaybeetoys: brings up an interesting facts, OTHER THAN THE DEAD BODY... you compare a wife cheater and a man who ignored child molesting and a cheater to MURDER..

In fact, WE are the ones who support these professional athletes in their bad behavior. WE support them with every Nike product we buy. WE pay extra for every Nike product so that these spoiled, immature "men" can live like kings and behave like criminals.

Tiger Woods was spending tens of thousands of dollars on a weekend in Vegas with a bunch of strippers and porn stars...on OUR dime.

He was getting $100 million annually in endorsements. Maybe he had just run out of ways to spend all that money...

Think about that next time you buy some overpriced Nike product (manufactured in a foreign sweatshop by a slave-wage laborer).

Prosecutors in the US are "Persecutors".... there is little attempt on their part for a trial to be Their purpose is to obtain a conviction ..regardless of innocence ...

The same could be said for defense attorneys. Their only goal is to get their client off or get the lightest possible sentence...regardless of guilt...

And He Did

Do you think he was just trying to help her catch the space ship hiding in the tail of the Hale-Bob comet?

Don't forget bashing her head in with a cricket bat! Four shots with a 9mm and bashing in her brains with a cricket bat... That is going to make it hard to prove the, "Oh, I thought it was an intruder... or, it was an accident! Ya, after I found out it was my girlfriend I shot, the cricket bat slipped and hit her in the head a few times!"

He's toast.

Hate to say it but I don't think he has a leg to stand on.

There is no evidence that he used the cricket bat that he kept by his bedside in this event ... only a press report that alleges that ..

Don't forget the fact she was wearing a nightie - you know how burglars like to wear frilly white lacy nighties when they break into a home to rob them. Maybe it was a new nightie for Valentines day and he didn't recognize it, so of course he thought she was an intruder.

@Moonbeamracer - Actually, police have confirmed there was a bloody bat at the scene, but they haven't officially reported how it was used in the crime.

Evidence FOUND...bloody cricket bat!

Nike has announced they have no plans for Pistorius in future ads. Does that sound like Nike is standing by him or just waiting for the right time to drop him?

No one knows how to treat a lady anymore. Thankfully, I have a leg up on the competition...

The Lazaro no it took quite a while to finaly drop Tiger Woods because the facts of his whoring around on his wife, took a bit of a while to come out. Thank you for reminding us.

Out cheating on his wife with very expensive whores all the time, while she was home taking care of both of his children for him. Using her free time to go to his golf games instead of advancing her own career was a very sad story for America to watch, agreed.

But in reference to your need to see his ads pulled;

"Nike swiftly pulled the ads, as the perils of celebrity
brand endorsement were brought sharply into focus once again".

Mr Pistorius, who has strongly rejected the murder charge, is thought to have
earned several million pounds from sponsorships with Nike, BT, Thierry Mugler,
Oakley, and Ossur, the Icelandic firm that makes the prosthetic carbon fibre
blades he wears for races.

- Two days later... much faster than they did with Tiger Woods. Sometimes equality isn't always better. It took weeks for Nike to do that to Tiger.

Tiger is bigger and there was no murder. Plus in the great American fashion "whoring" is not illegal, "just" immoral.

Nike and the eyewear manufacturer Oakley are his big sponsors. Sure, I can see them sticking with him. They can do "Oakley, keeping blood splatters out of your eyes" and "Nike - we resist blood stains and come without laces, so you can wear us in your cell" ad campaigns.....

I think people are still innocint until proven quilty.

And, ASureBet, Innocent until proven guilty is for the courts. As individual citizens, we are free to form, and change, our opinion of someone's guilt or innocence anytime we like. Even after someone is found guilty (or innocent), we are still free to believe that they are innocent (or guilty, as the case may be). Any business is perfectly free to distance themselves from someone who will damage their image at any time they want.

@ASureBet ... innocent until proven guilty is only in the eyes of the law; and the law is blind.

Everyone else will form their own opinion and it's the jury's that counts [in the American legal system] it may be somewhat different in South Africa.

Oakley has just dropped him and Nike says they will not use his image currently. He shot at her 4 times through a bathroom door while she was clutching a cricket bat she was defending herself with........the steroids, past viol ant police calls.....it ain't looking good. Damn shame. SA just uses a single Judge who can appoint I think 2 more judges to aid in his decission.....some old style form of Euro-Roman justice...

Except, this discussion was not about guilt, per se. He is not denying she is dead because of his actions, so that guilt is established. This is about mitigation and he is asserting a defense to the premeditation element. One who asserts such a defense must indeed prove the elements of that defense.

huh?

I have to admit I'm not familiar with law as practiced in South Africa. But in the United States, if your reckless actions led to the death of another person you could still be convicted of manslaughter. Involuntary if it was an accident (for example, accidentally hitting and killing a pedestrian with your car if the pedestrian had the right of way).

@SpyderWeb - Ro Mar is saying the responsibility for her death is clear, it's the circumstances leading up to it that's a question at the moment. Did Oscar murder her (with intent to kill her), or was it an accident (manslaughter). Oscar's defense is asserting it was an accident.

How about we leave the investigating, accusations and defense to the proper authorities and officers of the court? These sponsors aren't dropping him as a client, but they are still yanking the ads. For right now all Nike and Oakley have to go on is the same as what we do - and that's lots of speculation, hearsay, and very few actual facts officially released by the authorities.

Besides, if they had dropped him immediately, the same people complaining that Nike and Oakley aren't dropping him would have been the same people complaining that they only dropped him for publicity.

I totally agree - I never understood how he got to compete in the main Olympics. Think about it - the organization that disapproves of artificial hormones being used in competition decides to allow artificial legs however! Pistorius wanted into the main competition so he could be more attractive to sponsors, plain and simple. And the way he whined when he was eventually defeated in the heats and had to apologize the next day? Just an egotistical phoney.

Pistorius - Tried and Convicted! by Barbara Parsons

He has already confessed to killing his baba..... What if Reeva had MURDERED Oscar?

Any fool can see that 'ol Stumpy is guilty as hell.

You can send a steaming email too! Very satisfying!

Are you kidding? You have nothing better to do than sit on hold waiting to yell at some poor customer service rep for virtually no reason who has no control over any of this? If you have that much time on your hands, go call up a local politician or something and complain about something that actually matters.

Nike is clearly going to drop him, this is what this article is about. If you actually read it, they said specifically that they have no plans to use him in any future ads. What in that statement exactly makes you think they are going to keep sponsoring him? If he's not in ads, they are virtually not sponsoring him.

Why wouldn't you call the companies that haven't said they'd drop him yet and complain to them? (I'm not saying you should, I'm just saying it's a lot more logical).

I was wondering how many pairs of Oakley glasses do you usually buy? I can't call them, because don't own any so what could I blackmail them with?

Seems you people were not quick to call Lance Armstrong's sponsors..you had seven plus years to do so..

Barbara Parsons, why are you bothering Oakley? You are clearly mad about sponsors keeping Pistorius, but this article is about the fact that they dropped him.