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Subscribe to RSSGENEVA - North Korea threatened South Korea with "final destruction" during a debate at the U.N Conference on Disarmament on Tuesday, saying it could take "second and third steps" after a nuclear test last week.
In response to North Korea's recent nuclear test, South Korea stages military exercises and artillery drills along the border with North Korea. NBCNews.com's Dara Brown reports.
"As the saying goes, a newborn puppy knows no fear of a tiger. South Korea's erratic behavior would only herald its final destruction," North Korean diplomat Jon Yong Ryong told the meeting.
Without specifically referring to the nuclear test, Jon said North Korea had recently taken a "resolute step for self-defense," which he described as "strong counteractions to a foreign aggressor."
"If the U.S. takes a hostile approach toward the DPRK to the last, rendering the situation complicated, it (North Korea) will be left with no option but to take the second and third stronger steps in succession," he added without elaborating.
His comments drew immediate criticism from other nations, including South Korea and Britain, whose ambassador Joanne Adamson said such language was "completely inappropriate" and the discussion with North Korea was heading in the wrong direction.
Ambassador Susan Rice tells reporters at the United Nations that North Korea's latest, "highly-provocative" and "regrettable" act of testing a nuclear weapon "directly violates" security council resolution and threatens international peace, "vowing a swift, credible and strong response."
"It cannot be allowed that we have expressions which refer to the possible destruction of U.N. member states," she said.
U.S. Ambassador Laura Kennedy said she found North Korea's statement profoundly disturbing.
“I also was particularly struck by the phrase 'heralding the destruction of the Republic of Korea' and find that language incredibly inconsistent with the goals and objectives that this body is intended to pursue," she said.
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They have every right to defend themselves, even more so now with the US regime and it's push toward Asia policy. It was peaceful, the US has finished messing up the middle East and now onto Asia. Let's hope they develop their weapons ASAP to push against US aggression...
Warren, you have very apparently been asleep under the barn for 50 years or so. The US has no aggressive policies towards North Korea. It is North Korea that has attacked interests in the South over the last couple of years and is verbally threatening to destroy other countries. Maybe you should move to North Korea if you sincerely love their way of life -- or maybe you already live there and are a plant to try and make their actions seem acceptable.
Warren,
The middle east is far from being finished. I agree we should reduce the number of US military presence in that area. North Korea should be worrying about China. China keeps North Korea's economy afloat for the most part and not heeding China's request to play nice, is not a smart move.
This idiot keeps up with her/his advertising...can't the Vine delete the account?
Little Kim...the Mouse That Roared.
Warren? That's a strange name for a North Korean stooge.
Wallen, your trolling is not very good. You need to practice more. Someplace else. When you have developed true trolling ability, you may attempt to return. Until then, STFU.
Hey Warren, I'am not sure you got that right. But from what I can see, we'll find out. Hope Not.
Hay we found Bush's weapon of mass destruction! As usual he was looking in the wrong place. Of course sometimes that is easier.
The nut cases in North Korea are convinced they can be as belligerent as they want because the west hasn't the stomach to confront them. Accordingly, the only reaction from the west, they reason, is further appeasement. I believe their reasoning is correct.
N.Korea and Iran are pyscho mass murderers who think they can blackmail the whole world with impunity.In the end they will be finished off,,one way or another like Hitler´s Germany was.Let´´s hope their end is rapid and overwhelming and they don´´t bring along so many other people along with them.Time to act is now before the keep playing around with their nukes. N.Korea along with Pakistan gave nuke bomb info to Iran.Pakistan in spite of theTtalebans is still much more rational than the other 2 demons.And India is watching every move they make.With Iran and N.Korea we are dealing with pyschos that are already in power. Hope China can influence N. Korea. With Iran,the U.S Europe, some Arab countries and of course Israel are very justified in attacking Iran. Hope it is soon!
If NK threatened Israel like that, we would have been bombing them right now.
Iran has threatened Israel like that before, we haven't bombed Iran.
Total BS and zionist propaganda, Subasteve. Israel is the one with the nukes and the one threatening Iran. Israel threatened to nuke any country that interferes with their right to wage war with their enemies.
Really? I've seen numerous videos and quotes of Ahmadinejad threatening to "wipe Israel from the face f history" (paraphrased).
Where are the videos of Netanyahu threatening to "nuke any country that interferes with Israel's right to wage war"?
Look up "Samson Option" Steve. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
As to the other quote translated directly to English: “The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time”, and refers to the militant Zionist regime (not the state of Israel itself) ruling the state of Israel.
http://www.president.ir/farsi/ahmadinejad/speeches/1384/aban-84/840804sahyonizm.htm
North Korea has always been a radical aggressive Communist country, tired of worrying about them, time to take them out once and for all.
"As to the other quote translated directly to English: “The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time”, and refers to the militant Zionist regime (not the state of Israel itself) ruling the state of Israel."
So Max, now your trying to interpret what the Iranians mean? The regime occupying Jerusalem is Israel!
Warren, idiotic comment from an ignorant comunist follower : )
move to North Korea , and you will see how pleasant is to live under Communist rule.
lets see, "warren" on this thread, "markl323" on another thread about Chinese hacking, and the article about the Chinese hacking was down for a while.
looks like the Chinese and NK hacking force is in full swing right now
they need to plant seeds for food...not seeds for destruction...north koreans are losers...they lost control of their government...by being sheep...when you do that you have people who can make a executive order... that goes against the wishes of the majority of the people...just let them run their heads and look foolish...best thing you can do with these losers...look at obama 'he king of the undocumented'...and...'the queen of gay marriage'...
youll notice the moron warren justs posts and disappears, its kinda like some crusty old fart walking in amongst a crowd and dropping a big green cloud of gas then slipping away, his comments are about as intelligent as a fart bomb
and plain bob is just behind warren for idiotic comments
And what does the UN plan on doing when N. Korea actually does attack S. Korea... continue to talk about how inappropriate it was? The UN could be the most inept neutered organization ever created.
it was CLINTON back in the mid 90's who allowed theNorth Koreans get armed with nukes ,as both he fell for their BS then he gave them nuclear technoligy while allowing them a nuclear powerplant with both us parts as well as others ,and built by GE as well as other south korean firms that gave them the technoligy as well as build it ,it was then paid for with US ,japan &SouthKorean tax dollars ,also they let them import more nuke rods while not returning the spent rods to prevent them from being used as weapons
Max 108, are you a Jew-hater? You kind of sound like one. Just sayin-----
Look Kim Jung Un (the leader) not sure I spelled homies name right...is a real short, chubby, not so sexy time, kinda guy that really wants to drive a big new shiny truck. If we just send him a new super raised Ford or Chevy (like Bigfoot) I can assure you all this little oompa loompa will forget about the nukes and go mud wompin' on some of the prison camp captives or something.
The goal is here is to distract him something big, powerful and shiny. I know, I know its genius...that's just the way I roll...and this knowledge is free for you guys today cause you're all cool too!!
hahhaahaa! Brilliant idea dude!
But our leaders today say that nothing is appropriate but negotiations. So we continue to negotiate. Even if they drop an atom bomb on San Francisco --- the ability for which they will eventually have if nothing is done --- the only thing our leaders will say is appropriate is more negotiations to seek to deter them from launching another. This is so since going to war is wrong we are told. Hopefully , the citizens of San Francisco are on board for this approach. And being the good liberals they are , it is likely they are amenable to this resolution. Maybe we could impose severe economic sanctions if they do bomb us.
Mark S-
You're half right (and half-assed).
N Korea was in the process of obtaining nuclear power from somebody. If they'd have gotten it from France, Russia, or Iran, they would have had free reign to do as they pleased. Instead, President Cllinton got them to take American and S Korean equipment (which was safer and more efficient) with the understanding that there would be US inspectors on site 24/7 to make sure no funny business went on.
Unfortunately for all of us, GW Bush was elected in 2000, and one of his first acts was to pull the inspectors out of the N Korean facility. Why? you might ask. Well, because Clinton had put them in there, so it had to be a bad idea.
I know, I know, blaming Bush again. But if there is so many disastrous situations all around the world that are actually his fault, what is one to do?
We do not want American citizens to have a simple pistol but somehow we think it is OK for a mentally disturbed foreign dictator to have a nuke
Is this a great country or what?
UN: Mr. Il, I was supposed to be allowed to inspect your palace today, but your guards won't let me enter certain areas.
Kim il sung: Hans, Hans, Hans! We've been frew this a dozen times. I don't have any weapons of mass destwuction, OK Hans?
UN:Then let me look around, so I can ease the UN's collective mind. I'm sorry, but the UN must be firm with you. Let me in, or else.
Kim Il sung: Or else what?
UN: Or else we will be very angry with you... and we will write you a letter, telling you how angry we are.
Why can't we just free the people of north Korea from this idiotic bull crap. We just stand by and write letters and shake our fists, we are no better than they are.
Pretty tough talk from a guy that's named Warren. Only pu$$y's are named Warren.
I sure hope all of these leftist democrats get that "dialogue" going some day soon , after all we are in the fifth year of the reign of El Presidente
Speaking of Jackarses.
The North Koreans demanded the United Nations Inspectors leave North Korea. Bush (43) did not pull them out.
Just like President Obama did not "withdraw" from Iraq, the Islamic Shia Nation of Iraq kicked the US out as demanded by the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran, as No More Negotiations with President Obama nor SOS Clinton; due to President Obama's Failed Foreign Policies of March 2009, as seen by the Ayatollahs of Iran as the US Negotiating from a position of US Defeat.
Iraq is Key to the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran: 1. Iran No longer stuck between the US and US Allies Military Forces at Iraq and Afghanistan. 2. No US nor US Allies interference with the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran's Special Forces, Quds, arming, training, and funding Million of Holy Warriors of Islam at the Autonomous Kurdistanis Region. 3. Increased support of the Iranian Allies, the Chinese and Russian Federation in exchange for the Iraqis Oil Fields.
It was President Clinton's belief that the Cold War Era US Defense, US Intelligence Agencies, US Military was no longer needed: 1. President Clinton as Commander In Chief Ordered the Chops to the US Defense Budget, resulting in the US Army Corps of Engineers no longer having the Funds for Infrastructure Projects within the US like the Levees at New Orleans before Hurricane Katrina, US Congressional Katrina Hearings that absolved the US Army Corps of Engineers of blame. 2. President Clinton Gutted the US Intelligence Agencies that were previously built up by CIA Director Bush (President Bush (41)), resulting in the US being Blind and Deaf to the Events leading to the 9/11 2001 Attacks, Bipartisan US Congressional Commission (Committee) Investigations, Findings, and Recommendations. After President Clinton's (42) Reduction In Forces of the US Military, it took from 2001 till 2003 for President Bush (43) to rebuild the US Military to conduct President Clinton's US Policy Overthrow of President Hussein as President Clinton's US Law H.R.4655 "Iraqis Liberation Act of 1998" Section 3 US Policy Overthrow of President Hussein, Section 2 Findings (Justification) Weapons of Mass Destruction, President Clinton's US Law H.R.4655 becomes 2003 Operation Iraqis Freedom.
Transcript President Clinton's 1998 State of the Union Address, as Overthrow of President Hussein, Weapons of Mass Destruction, US Support of the Holy Warriors of Islam at Bosnia, etc.:
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/01/27/sotu/transcripts/clinton/
President Clinton's US Law, H.R.4655 "Iraqis Liberation Act of 1998":
http://www.iraqwatch.org/government/US/Legislation/ILA.htm
Previously, President Clinton attempted to Overthrow President Hussein with his Failed 1998 US Military Operation Desert Fox that resulted in the Islamic World Condemning the US as the Great Satan; and in Retaliation Osama Bin Laden plans his 9/11 2001 Attacks of the same targets as his 1993 First World Trade Center Bombing.
You want discuss about the current US Economy, that is due to President Clinton's elimination of those US Laws (Two US Laws) that made the Causes of previous Depressions Illegal. The Result, the current $60 Trillion to $100 Trillion Global Economic Crisis consisting of the Mortgage Crisis, Wall Street Crisis, Financial Crisis, Banking Crisis, Credit Crisis, etc..
To make the US Economy even worse, President Clinton demanded that Loans (Mortgages) be made to those without a viable means to repay the Loans (Mortgages).
You want to discuss US Jobs. It was President Clinton that gave China, Most Favored Trade Nation Status in exchange for "Donations" (Bribes) from China. Think about this President Clinton was the Governor of Arkansas, Arkansas is the Headquarters for Made In China Walmart. Stated during his Impeachment Hearings as "Chinagate" (Documented US Congressional Records).
Nope. Show me the Documented Historical Facts.
Get you head out of Uranus, and do the Research.
The leaders in NOK are just insane. Those paranoid fools are starving the people in order to build an arsenal of weapons because they believe the south is going to invade at any minute.
Some of you are so far in the box it isn't funny. Take a look at what is going on not only here in the USA but around the world. I don't need to list our problems we all know what they are. Let's see we have NK with nukes shaking their fists, we have China hacking our computers and oh yes the Pakies have turned over the control of a very important deep water port to China. This port is very important for the transportation of oil and etc, we have Iran shaking their fists at us and Israel and than you all the terrorist so take your pick which one do you think we should take action on first oh wait a minute did not BO say well just what did he say well the same thing he always says. I wonder why it is that some don't look at what the bigger picture is or dig deeper to see what is really going on. I mentioned the UN agenda 21 sometime back I have read it and did some research on but have any of you? I might surprise you just what is in it, you would also be surprised at the countries who signed on to it into motion. You all think things are bad for us now, well just wait. I want my country back.
Warren Who has been the aggressor from the begining? As I recall the North invaded the South in 1950. Quit trying to revise history. You sound like the President of Iran when he says "The Holocaust,? What Holocaust? That never happened just more Jewish lies." Anyone that believes Iran does not want to destroy Israel is not playing with a full deck.
How many wars have we fought over oil?
There is a real issuse building in NK, and if we don't do something now it's going to escalate.
Besides the human rights of it's people being violated, NK has several times threatened to nuke the US.
It's time to introduce the puppy to the real tiger.
as far as i know, may be wrong, the war in korea was never ended. it was stopped by a 'peace treaty' so it can begin again at any time. that said......time to say screw political correctness, covertly remove that little POS and try again. the U.N. is a worthless entity as they have no power over any country. time to shut it down, send the 'diplomats' home, put up our fences and start worrying about whats happening here at home.
we send $1.2 billion to egypt every year, uncounted billions to israel, troops to iraq and afghanistan... the list goes on and on and all we get in return are threats and demands for more support. time to stop being the worlds police force, let those countries that have been fighting amongst themselves continue to kill each other(nothing we do will stop it).
this country has the resources to be self supporting in all necessities..bring our troops home and have them defend our borders for a change and let it be known that any act of aggression against us will be met with the full force of our military.
just sayin'
Warren I believe is North Korea's minister of propoganda.
OK I know soon everyones going too come on here and make jokes about North Korea but not me, we need too take what they say seriously and just leave that country alone and don't do or say anything too piss them off cause the guy running that country will do what he say's and I would like too die of old age and not from a Nuke!!! I would also like too see my grand daughter grow up. I think the best thing too do is leave NK alone and don't make any comments that would piss them off. and the U.S. and SK need too stop their war games over there as that is just going too piss them off even more which it has in the past. the U.S. needs too bring our troops home and protect our borders and stay out of other countries business period!! for crying out loud!!! NO MORE WARS!!!!
Did someone leave the gate open on the idiot farm last night?
there will be no nukes comming here from NK
now NK may use a nuke on SK but we will never respond with a return of nuke fire as china will not like that very much and big money elites dont want a mad china
on the other hand if they get the go ahead NK will steamroll SK and our 28k+ troops and the SK military will only be a speed bump in the way of these maniacs
Nobody left the door open on the idiot farm. These are North Korean hacks. That doesn't mean they aren't idiots, just North korean idiots. The land of Unicorn dens, fearless leader shooting 9 holes in one on his first time golfing. And the best was a picture of him after death. He was what 5 foot 2 and they had a picture of him where his legs were like 4 ft long. trying to make him look like he was 6 foot 5. Feet about a size 13 when I imagine they were a size 5
Everything these morons do is for the home crowd. Kinda goes like this, I know you are starving to death, you just buried your children but, did you see us stick to the US at the United Nations. Just a land of fools. Nothing to see here folks.
lilbear,
The US military has stealth aircraft with the capabilty to carry and launch 6 nuclear bombs at once. I read North Korea may have a dozen or so. I disagreee with your speed bump analogy.
North Korea is always posturing. China will not tolerate much more of it.
bob fu
having nukes is 1 thing using them is another, weather patterns will drift the fall out over china, they know that and we know that. we will only respond with conventional weapons and if theres any chance that NK will get a nuke to the us will be pure accident
you have to remember that there has been over 3 generations that the population has been under total info a blackout so they actually believe deeply what they are told.
it took many years to actually pacify the germans and they hadnt had nearly the info control or fanatical population. NK has 1mil under arms full time. but you may be right our troops may not even be a speed bump if they get the go-ahead. as a vietnam vet i dont like to point it out but i will any way a smaller group in afganistan kicked ass on the best the russians had for 10 years after kicking them out totally and at this point reguardless of our tech in afganistan they have fought the best the US has to a standstill and to the point where we are willing to just declare victory and go home.
but china does enjoy having this insane pitbull on a leash, it allows them to pretend to be a voice of reason while NK does what china wishes it could
@Bob Fu,
The speed bump analogy is not @lilbear's, it is how the US and ROK military see the 20,000 US troops and around 125,000 ROKA troops that are forward-deployed along the DMZ. These forces are always referreed to in theater military operations as "tripwire" of "sacrificial" forces and always consider them "neutralized" in theater war games.
This is because there are artillery pieces, heavy mortars, guided and unguided rockets, and everything else including the kitchen sink located in hardened caves and revetments on the back sides of every hill and mountain all along the DMZ. The US and ROKA forces are pre-surveyed targets of these "peek and shoot" in defilade NKA positions.
Typical American neo-colonial mentality. It is big fun ... until the shoe is on the other foot, than you whine that "it isn't fair".
This creepy little North Korean leader has that little penis syndrome.
I say flash him a "full moon" and then tell him to bring it on.
Eat Sh!t Quarant
It's almost as if NK is asking us to please nuke them into radioactive dust.
Quite the contrary. Time to step up the war games. This little rat that they call a leader in NK is just stomping his feet and trying to act relevant. China needs to pull those puppet strings to get him to lie down, because the only thing that NK's bluster is doing is drawing US attention to the region, which is something that China does not want. They want to assert their new power in the region, but it's hard when US starts to reinforce it's presence there due to this nonsense that keeps coming from NK.
"If the U.S. takes a hostile approach toward the DPRK to the last, rendering the situation complicated, it (North Korea) will be left with no option but to take the second and third stronger steps in succession,"
North Korea has a history of acting belligerent and then expecting to be 'bought off' with food and financial aid. It has worked every time for them in the past, so why would they give up a 'winning strategy'?
Someone that acts crazy usually gets their way with people who hate to 'rock the boat'.
jjj....If you have a dog in neighborhood that barks ferociously but hasn't really bit anyone yet, you watch him very carefully, but if he even nips someone, you put him down...hard.
"If the U.S. takes a hostile approach toward the DPRK to the last, rendering the situation complicated, it (North Korea) will be left with no option but to take the second and third stronger steps in succession," he added without elaborating.
something tells me that even if the US were to turn their heads and walk away, North Korea is still going to take the second and third stronger steps in succession. nice try in attempting to blame the US for your actions, nobody is buying that crap (without elaborating).
I'm not a pro-war person by any means - but "final destruction" sounds ominously close to the German phrase "the final solution".
Sounds like North Korea needs to be turned into an ashtray.
The North Korean nuclear threat could be neutralized without the use of nuclear weapons. An invasion or attack on South Korea would not be tolerated by the vast majority of UN member states.
the south koreans would also kick there butts ,don't underestimate them ,alot of them are well trained soldiers and use very advanced weapons and training ! they are not just a bunch of kids with M16 &K2 rifles
All the people that are concerned about NK hitting America with a nuke is far fetched. You have to remember that they haven't proved that they can even hit the US, with anything!. That being said, even if they did hit the US with a nuke, one single nuke is all they have. Would I want it in my backyard... NO, but the chances of them lobbing one over here are SO remote that I would take bets that they couldn't hit their own a$$ with both hands.
@Sponge, You are being naive about the NK threat. It would be very easy to launch a nuke-tipped missle from a freighter just off our coast. The resulting EMP would cause distaster in California. BTW we have no way to defend against this kind of threat.
@chief,
You do realize that we have designed and built the missle system that Isreal is using to shoot down the missles from Gaza. Besides that we still have the Nike systems (not shoes) that are still around. The NK does not have the capability of putting a missle on a freighter nor attaching a nuke to a missle.
"International Peace" When exactly did that occur? It's not threatened because it never happened.
This little Mutt in Korea is just moron enough to use a nuke. I hope he does not because it will be the start of something awful that none of us want to experience.
North Korea is really beginning to make China look like a stooge. I wonder how they'll react?
Steam or Flied Lice? Ok see you ten min ok?
Who is the real racist, the person who cracked the joke or the person who needs to point the finger and fully understands the racism.
Wow - "immediate criticism"??
They should be shaking in their boots right now.. cowering in utter fear.. I just can believe that other nations went as far as to offer...
"immediate criticism".
This is the most credible and terrifying response they could have possibly given... and frankly, I just don't know how North Korea will be able to stand up under it.
I will have nightmares for them - "immediate criticism"?? Wow, makes ya sweat just thinking about it.
idiots.
Hang on to your butt,WWIII is coming!!
A big hats off to Clinton for giving North Korea Urainium for power plant purposes. Go figure? Who would have thought these loonies would use it to make weapons grade Urainium? DUH!
Better start digging your shelters.
Let's see now. We have enough nukes to destroy the entire world and lil kim has had a couple duds he thought might go off, but didn't. So now he is threatening S. Korea and the US? So, what we have here is a little cockroach walking up to an adult male African elephant and saying, hey bud, get out of my way before I have to hurt you. You can just picture that elephant shaking with fear.
Warren with sort of thought pattern then it should be ok to let all the retards have automatic weapsons? Same difference...these whackos in the NK don't think normally they are in parnoid land deluxe
Ditto Mr. Miller -- as follows:
"It cannot be allowed that we have expressions which refer to the possible destruction of U.N. member states," she said.
U.S. Ambassador Laura Kennedy said she found North Korea's statement profoundly disturbing.
“I also was particularly struck by the phrase 'heralding the destruction of the Republic of Korea' and find that language incredibly inconsistent with the goals and objectives that this body is intended to pursue," she said.
Oh my, what strong language against a country that is threatening/proposing nucular war. Golly, gee whiz, how can North Korea say such things.
If we really wanted to express hostile intent wrt North Korea, we wouldn't be talking about their nuclear program, instead we'd be launching a few of our own nukes, and give rhetoric along the lines of turning them into a sea of glass, etc... Course, considering the deplorable conditions the people in N. Korea have to live under, under this self same government that's issueing these kinds of staments, it'd also be somewhat redundant to what sort of country, they've maneaged to create for themselves and their own people.
What China, and Russia should both be asking themselves right about now, is if this is the sort of rhetoric and action they want to stand in solidarity and support wrt, even as the N. Korean gov't threatens to rain destruction down on other countries following yet another nuclear test? And if the N. Koreans should ever go beyond words, is this the sort of activity they'd want to be complicit in, in both silence, and blocking any and every action the UN might take in dealing with these sort of "allies" of theirs... Heck I'll throw one better, is Connan the Big Mouth, aka lil Kim here, or his handlers as the case might be for the one calling these shots here, really an allie at all? Or just a recipient of foreign aid, who after roaring like a lion even while they aren't the largest cat on the planet, will then have a hand held out in need of foreign aid...
Why are we still in the united nations?
seriously obama, its time to shut that fat little gooks frog lips permanently, and any little pile of @!$%# that wants to follow him too. @!$%# the u.n., @!$%# politics. wipe them off the map one way or the other before they launch a nuke at us.
can you say wwiii ? sure, i knew you could
http://www.un.org/en/documents/charter/chapter1.shtml
Charter Of The United Nations
Article 1.
Purposes of the United nations
1. "To maintain international peace and security,"
Um, do you see anything wrong with this picture? Can you think of any time in history when there has been less peace and security for as many decades as there has been since the charter was signed? I ask again, why are we still in it? Could it be because we are stupid?
Nothing a pre emptive strike wouldn't cure...One massive nuke right down mainstreet North Korea...take these freaks right off the face of the earth, and be done with their constant threats... Just my humble opinion...
nuking then dose solve one problem and creates 100s more ,We will not nuke them ,just more embargoes,sanctions,and other worthless attempts to stop the madness,but accedents do happen ,we the united states do have the resources at hand to make anyone at anytime disapear, so why dont they do that becouse the next person in line is just as crazy as the next ,thier like a child with daddys shotgun,there demands havent been meet becouse there "demands",So what do you do with a spoiled child ? spank them !So what shold the UN do ?
Let's arm a country that can send its military in without being handcuffed by its politicians.
That is a good comment, Let the wars be fought by the the professionals and KEEP the POLITICIANS OUT!!!!
War is simply the continuation of politics by other means.
the rich better step on this ass hat before he starts something even all their money cant stop and leaves this world a cinder
Usually, anytime I hear sabre rattling from North Korea, I take is as nothing more. Their "dear leader(s)" apparently have to spout off at the mouth every now and again to make the plight of the people seem minor in comparison to the international situation facing their nation. They have what appears to be perpetual Little Big Man Syndrome.
However, this time, I get the feeling they're not playing around. They seem to believe that nuclear capability will make them a bigger player on the international stage, and I honestly think this Kim is twisted enough to use it. These threats need to be taken seriously. We're on the verge of a very horrifying situation.
If a peaceful solution cannot be reached quickly, then we have no choice but to engage in war. I don't say that lightly. I do know the sacrifices made by our military (whatever nation, the sacrifices are the same) and also know that the American military is battle worn and weary. However, we can't sit by and hope that young Kim will put his marbles back in order and come to his senses.
Threatening a country that hosts thousands of our troops is the same as threatening our nation. That cannot be allowed by anyone, let alone a tyrant with obvious mental issues. Prepare yourselves for more troubling times. The dogs of war are not done feasting yet.
Look Kim Jung Un (the leader) not sure I spelled homies name right...is a real short, chubby, not so sexy time, kinda guy that really wants to drive a big new shiny truck. If we just send him a new super raised Ford or Chevy (like Bigfoot) I can assure you all this little oompa loompa will forget about the nukes and go mud wompin' on some of the prison camp captives or something.
The goal is here is to distract him something big, powerful and shiny. I know, I know its genius...that's just the way I roll...and this knowledge is free for you guys today cause you're all cool too!!
This I posted twice today cause I want to save the world...I know...I truly know and thank you again its really how I roll...WORD.
for once jedi, I think you may be on to a great idea.
And what does the UN plan on doing when N. Korea actually does attack S. Korea... continue to talk about how inappropriate it was? The UN could be the most inept neutered organization ever created.
And what is OBOZO doing NOTHING! but disarming the country with their gun control nonsense and the destruction of the 2nd. Amendment to the Constitution of the United States
IWonder:
Yes, it was called the "Cold War." And there was a great deal of posturing on the parts of both the United States and the Soviet Union. The first clue that North Korea actually plans a strike will be when it stops making threats.
I see a lot of people here saying that North Korea is paranoid. That would mean, for example, that North Korea had a fear that people in the United States wanted them turned into glass when there was no such desire. Unfortunately, I also see a lot of people calling for North Korea to be turned into glass. It was said well in the (fictional) novel Catch 22: "Fear of dangers that are real and immediate is the process of a rational mind."
The fact is that the United States has a bigger problem than North Korea. We have developed an image as a nation that will launch unprovoked attacks at nations that will not live under our thumb. We have also made it clear that nations that do not follow our whims must arm themselves or be destroyed. Sadly, our leaders have left us with no authority to criticize North Korea's antics.
The war in korea was a united nations action. If we got out of the united nations, wouldn't we be out of the situation? Let someone else be the sucker for a change, france seems to be doing good enough to suit me.
Amen pvblivs. You notice my moniker, I wonder about lots of things and ask lots of questions, I rarely get any answers.
Isn't anyone else curious?
It was just a few months ago that N.Korea shot a few rounds onto an island close to it but claimed by S. korea. Remember? Note too that they never put one boot down on that island.
N.Korea is worthy of a chuckle and nothing more..
I think it's time we park a task force near North Korea.
You know, just to show the king of the ant hill who is boss. A little intimidation could go a long way towards shutting them up. They have made these threats many times before, and generally only do this when they want attention and aid from countries like us. Once they get what they want (or at least a little something) and all, they usually shut up for a bit and we usually ignore them until the next "crisis" hits. I was formally of the opinion that we should just ignore them until they go away. However, lately they have been a lot more over the top (hard to do) than usual. I think we should peacefully but boldly remind them of their place on the bottom of the national food chain so to speak. Just park a task force off their coast and maybe call up kid dictator with a verbal threat or two and see how they respond.
WitchKing...Really, you're going to pull Obama into this? What a moron. North Korea has been doing the same crap for decades. In fact, most of their nucular (Bush venacular) capability occured under GW's watch. At least get your facts right, and if you dislike the current administration so much, I'll be happy to buy you a one way ticket to North Korea.
I get so sick of the blame game, truman for the united nations and the korean war, nixon for china, clinton for the korean nukes. Who cares, what has been done is done! What matters is what we do from now on.
@ IWonder,
Truer words have not been said on here. The blame game was old decades ago.
Who blames Nixon for China? They all pat him on the back for reaching out to that evil mass-murdering Chairman Mao scumbag.
"All war represents a failure of diplomacy" ~ Tony Benn.
But without a commitment to diplomacy, all that is left to us is war.
I desire a better world, and better options than war. You?
Man, I hope N Koreans dont read our internet posts, and realize just how stupid most Americans really are....shouldn't Homeland Security DO something about this?
Someone said we should pull out and leave it to the French. Lets remember that it was failure of French foreign policy that got us into Vietnam. Maybe we should just take the North Korean midget out with a drone.
North Korea would crush us by sea. Let's not forget about the taipongdong missile that travels 200mph undersea! Our best advantage would be by air...or like the Germans(hate em) did in ww2..go into any country en masse, and with propoganda standing ahead of us, we might keep the casualty level low, and defeat any air strike with our common allies. However, will congress act to that extreme? Only a few people know that, but we would have to take them by land, or at least be there in covert fashion beforehand. Let's not ignore our worst enemy at this point. It used to be that we had everything(steel, rails, production, etc..however today we are just a proxy country complaining about who is in office either dem or other.
North Koreans cant read our internet post, they aren't allowed to read anything that isn't falsified by their little leader. Remember when he showed a clip of "Top Gun" dog fight scene to his people and claimed it was North Korea shooting down U.S. planes? Ahhhh classic! What a complete idiot!
So the little pussy face is trying to assert himself. A little advice, become a member of the world community or be left behind. Hey China, are you listening also? If we want, we can default on all of our loans and still kick your ass. Oh wait a minute, speak softly and carry a bigger stick, or something like that. What's wrong with being friends? You obviously don't know how to do that, and apparently neither do our current round of elected reps.......and the beat goes on. Hopefully the Human race will survive its shortcomings
So then, 'gunga', no commitment to diplomacy, just commitment to perpetual wars? Brilliant.
Shouldn't war be a last resort, and only after all other measures have failed?
How many Iraqs can our country afford?
How many young American lives do we carelessly waste because we just want to feel like the toughest s.o.b in the neighborhood, and teach those other s.o.b's a lesson ... using other peoples kids to deliver the message, of course?
PS. Are you going to go?
You want to send your kids?
If not, ...then whose kids do you want to sacrifice for your dismissal of the wisdom of trying to avoid war?
reading this article the words"pre-emptive strike" immediately leaps to front of my mind, why wait for these @!$%#s to carry through with their threats? Time to put them back in their place if the gutless Chinese won't
uhhhh....golf anyone? uuuhhhh. huh huh huh.
too many countries against north korea, they can't take on everyone at one time. they won't have many or anyone help them out.
hay and straw, is important for horses and is also for chinchillas and various small rodent animals they like alfalfa too.......... anywhozzywhatsits we have the ability to blow n korea off the map, poof gone buh bye psycho gooks
Too bad we didnt have the good ole UN back in the Hitler days so they could have put a stop to WW1 by issueing a strongly worded criticism of his actions. That would have turned the entire thing around.
Jonathan F....
Really??? I'm hoping that was a typo. I'm really hoping you know that Hitler presided over Germany during WWII (two!), not WWI (one).
KING PUTT banned, re-reg of multiple accounter leroy2112.
TokenFlame:
And why are you so eager to launch an unprovoked attack? If the United States attacked North Korea and no one came to the defense of North Korea, they would be wiped out. But, if the United States launches an unprovoked attack (or, as you like to call it, a "pre-emptive strike) there will be nations that come to North Korea's aid -- nations that could very well bomb us into oblivion. That's just not a smart strategy. We need to stop looking like the aggressor. And, for all its rhetoric, North Korea will not look like an aggressor unless it strikes first.
yeah, right.
your "underwater missle" is actually Russian made, and has no homing guidance system, it can run either straight, or on a pre-programmed course for about 7 miles. it is only actually effective with a nuclear warhead (which is what the russians use) and is considered a "revenge weapon"
funny, but Hitler withdrew from the league of nations. just like the far right wants to do with the UN.
why? because "we are 'special' and don't need to listen to anybody"
@Jonathan F
Jonathan, in WW1 Hitler was a lowly corporal, a dispatch runner, taking messages back and forth from the command staff in the rear to units near the battlefield. During quiet periods and lulls in the fighting Hitler did watercolor landscape paintings. He wasn't promoted during his military service, because his superiors thought him weird.
So, Jonathan, you tell us: If "the good ole UN" had been around then, what should they have done to Hilter that would have "put a stop to WW1" and "turned the entire thing around"?
Could the UN have been alarmed - because he was weird - and preemtively have taken action against him (first strike if you will), to prevent him becomming weirder?
Or maybe they could have passed judgement on the quality of his watercolor painting abilities, and just preemptively shot him so he wouldn't paint again? (the ultimate artistic criticism).
Is it just me or does anyone else think he looks like a chubby North Korean Cartman?
Like a spoiled brat child!
Somebody needs to take a switch and wear this little tweerp 's ass out.
Thanks Barrack! Thanks Hilary! What a mess you made of this world. But no worries. Today you will say we will deal harshly with N Korea. LMFAO!!
Iran is one of only three countries left in the world whose central bank is not under Rothschild control. Before 9-11 there were reportedly seven: Afghanistan, Iraq, Sudan, Libya, Cuba, North Korea and Iran. By 2003, however, Afghanistan and Iraq were swallowed up by the Rothschild octopus, and by 2011 Sudan and Libya were also gone. In Libya, a Rothschild owned central bank was established in Benghazi while the country was still at war.
Does anyone else see a strange pattern to this ?
Send in John Kerry....he will fix this! Obviously Hillary couldn't.
like father like son. and we think our hope and change sucks
North Korea makes veiled threats about nuking our troops ... and we're the aggressor? Got it.
Its clear that this kid is one sick dude, like dad-like son, warmongers at best !!!
This is all GWB and the GOP's Fault starting wars all over the World and bankrupting our Nation !!!
Jr.'s Sick Rambo mentality destroyed our Country, I see Kim & Bush as one - Warmongers !!!
Bobster - I no rite? North Koorea was all peaceful and like, no problem. But then that monster Obummer and his girly friend Hillory got power and here we are. Now North Koorea is all violent and threttening and we need to aks ourselves why? Because Barrock made it that way. He made a peaceful kontry into one that hates us and he will do it to the world to. Just 15 yeers ago the wurld was PERFECT...PERFECT. Now in 5 years u and ur team runed it. Ur soshalism deestroyed the world.
Way to simplify a complex issue that has been around for about 3/4 of a century - longer than the Pres has been alive.
And BTW - I do not think Obama has been an effective President, but I'd take almost anything over the mindlessness you've spouted.
wars and rumor of wars?????
makes you wonder if we are on the eve of destruction??
What a piece of work is man, how noble...??????
Many who believe in evolution have told me that there is no evil, it is just natural selection supporting the theory of the survival of the fittest.... is this news supporting evidence????
As for me an my house, we will serve the Lord.
Atlas Shrugging-
"...man delights not me."
let's face it, if Saddam and kaddafi , didn't give -up their nuclear weapon ambition
they will be alive today , because north Korea ,learn from that lesson, and they know if you are a nuclear
country , nobody can do squate to you .
who can blame them , only the bully .....
Destroy Iran and North Korea and the world would be safer and better off. Years of "If you keep going I am going to be mad" does not work. Bomb and make their resourses dissapear. The world needs to act, not threaten until the nuclear reality is here!!!
We could send our new Secretary of State over there to spank their butts!! Specially that kid that runs North Korea now!
atlas shrugging, no, what 'evolutionists" see is people behaving like the apes we came from.
we aren't as far from the apes as we like to tell ourselves, just a lot more clever.
we can, with wisdom and self-knowledge, overrule the "survival of the fittest" that is still wired into our instinct, but it is difficult and so much easier to simply slip into the animal mindset.
we have a long ways to go, lets just hope enough of us survive to get it righ
Are you smoking something Warren? " push against U.S. aggression"? What is the right thing for Little Kim to do? It sounds as if you wish war with this fool and America. If that is the case, the World wuld change and if you live here in this country you may want to start digging you bomb shelter now. That is of course you don't have one yet.
lets see, "warren" on this thread, "markl323" on another thread about Chinese hacking, and the article about the Chinese hacking was down for a while.
looks like the Chinese and NK hacking force is in full swing right now
Perhaps the N Koreans has an army of spammers right about now, ready to wage war against our inboxes with more unwanted adverts for Viagra and other, lets just say "male enhancement" pills, get quick rich schemes, someone pretending to be George Bush wanting our "help" in creating an offshore account in Nigeria to help him move money, credit card offers, get out of debt programs (one sent after the other), and other undesireable emails that seem to track back to round about those parts as US ISP's have kicked people like Mr. Rawlsky to the curb and don't want to have to handle the volume, those such as himself generate, in spamming the entire planet to death...
Some a one wanta to have a sexy time with a Lil Kim Jun Ooon...huh? Ah yes a little sexy time and a he gonna forgetta about da nukes. Make a love wit da ladies...I hope they a da ladies any how.
"Iamlookinginthemirror":
I doubt it. The policies of the United States have looked very much like marching to world domination through force. And I would expect those nations to pursue more useful targets -- like companies in charge of making our weapons of war.
My bomb shelter is your a$$hole.
uhhhh- is it big enough??
so the brit rep says 'we cant have expressions of this' i guess the brits still dont get the 'freedom of speech' issue. in essence 'words are still just words' no matter how un-pclike they are.
considering all that they have had to swallow from their MP's we can guess that the brit population has progressed from coma to fully brain dead
Freedom of speech doesn't cover all speech. Threats are still illegal.
If you'd like to test this out, shoot a youtube video threatening to kill the Pres. See how long it takes the secret service to come knocking at your door.
Fredom of speech does not apply here Putz.
.......you really need to learn about the United Nations and how it operates! They might be ineffective but its still a very important organization. Diplomats from different cultures and different languages must obviously be very careful about the language they use.
"so the brit rep says 'we cant have expressions of this' i guess the brits still dont get the 'freedom of speech' issue. in essence 'words are still just words' no matter how un-pclike they are."
Threatening to destroy an entire country goes a little bit beyond being simply "un-pclike."
I do believe, even in the US, if someone conducted a "nungclear test" and uttered words such is this, they'd at the very least be a person of interest within certain government databases. One thing is for certain, if they generate enough interest with the "wrong circles", they might find themselves the target of an FBI investigation, and might also find themselves a participant in certain enhanced security the next time they go to an air port and run into TSA...
I'd imagine, testing nuclear explosives, and then talk of destroying entire countries would tend to do it more so, then simply saying the word bomb in an air port... At the very least, some, FBI, DHS, someone, might have interest in keeping an eye out, wrt those who would run around making statements such as this, while also demonstrating they have a nuclear capeability to some degree or another...
#1 WE neeeed to get out of the UN!
#2 N. Korea is a terrialble place to live. No cival rights and they have poverty everyehere.
#3 that young dictator needs his butt wipped and I think we should give them an ultamatum to stop with the threats, stop whit the testing, or send in the drones and take out every miltary base and there Nuculer developement sites. then get the hell out of the Middle East and let them continue there 3000 year islamic war and let them destroy eachother. The UN and Obana are on a quest to disarm the world , our Country and only alow law Enforcement and the milatary to own firearms. The guy on here whereing the Vendita Mask, is a real target for the NSA and the Miltary, because there Monitoring the internet. They will get your IP addresss and come after you. Your a fool and a joke. Real good example that you have someting to hide from.
North Korea has been spouting off its mouth for many years and keeping everyone on alert. If they keep talking the way they are, then I wonder if they have ever thought about someone sending a missle with great magnitude over on North Korea.....and blowing them all to H-no more.
Only a regime run by complete idiots would threaten a neighboring country with nuclear destruction. Have they not heard of wind in North Korea? The accident at the Chernobyl reactor affected people, crops and animals in parts of Europe. A nuclear device detonated over South Korea could actually be more devastating in the long term to the people in North Korea. Is their new leader mentally challenged or is he being bullied by the old guard? Time to wake up and study a little eighth grade science round boy.
what does your info tell us about the fukushima event that hasnt yet been covered up
Bomb fallout can be controlled more easily than reactor accident fallout. The first and easiest way is to detonate it at a certain altitude above the ground, where it won't suck dust and other particles into its fireball and irradiate them (this has the double effect of increasing the shockwave intensity, as the shockwave will "bounce" off the ground and continue outward, rather than digging in and throwing up dirt). Bomb design can also reduce the amount of fallout, but I doubt that NK's tech has advanced this far.
Additionally, because of the nature of a bomb explosion vs. a controlled reactor chain reaction, the isotopes present in a bomb explosion have much shorter half-lives than those from a reactor accident. That means that the radiation zones decrease and disappear much more quickly, and dose rates are lower.
Weather also plays a huge part. The prevailing winds on the Korean peninsula are strong out of the northwest in winter, and weak out of the southeast in summer. So a wintertime attack would find most of the fallout pushed southeastward by the wind over Japan, and not back over NK itself.
well that will be small comfort for those responders at chernobyl and fukushima
What makes you think NK leadership cares about its people? If they did, maybe they'd feed them instead of channelling all their money into this nightmare.
@yeahbuhwha?
How do you know all this?
"How do you know all this?"
Some people like to do these things called "reading" and "learning."
The information between atomic bombs and nuclear is a thousand times different. The last above ground test I believe was fifty years ago and to measure it they had hand held instruments. Nuclear is not a option.
North Korea is the most isolated country in the world, and frankly I doubt they have the slightest idea how they sound outside of their own land.
Seven, you can be sure that Lil Kim will be camping out somewhere else, like Greenland or northern Finland, and leave someone at home to pull the trigger---a martyr for the fearless leader. He might even sneak into northern Canada or northeast Russia. Chernobyl's meltdown resulted in a lot of deaths and contaminated land going northward right through Belarus and into Finland. If that twerp pushes the button, and the wind stays true to form, Moscow will have a real problem. If Putin choses to continue to ignore that possibility, then he has definitely stopped looking for his last marble.
The North Korea regime leans heavily on it's percieved "friendship" with China and Russia as allies. With out that backing they are less than nothing, just a big mouth flapping. If the free world countries can get China and Russia aside, where they tell this swaggering little martinette that he would go it strictly alone if he tries to harm South Korea or any one else, Kim would have to back off. I'm no genius, but I can't imagine that China would go to war backing such and obvious crack pot like Kim. They are too busy making stuff to sell to the free world for that.
This is an insane country with leadership that is batsh!t crazy.
I liked the puppy anology they used. They also need to know that puppy also will poop by it's food bow.
You know, if they like dog analogies, perhaps they should consider this one, while shooting their mouth off like this...
When I was a kid, we had an Alaskin Malemute, who my sister swore was no gaurd dog. This is because our dog didn't bark, and wouldn't make a fuss (you know like those little poodles that yip at everything). She insisted as such, until one day, forgetting her key to the front door, she came in the garage. What she saw, was this same dog who she insisted was no watch dog, lunged low on the ground, making almost inaudible snarling/growling sounds, as she opened the door, who came lunging out as soon as she walked through.
Lucky for her, the dog caught her scent, and calmed down, where she pet her (the dog was a female). She never complained about our dog being no watch dog again, on account that our Malemute didn't make a lot of noise....
Lesson being, that sometimes the dog with the biggest bite, doesn't have the biggest bark. Lil Kim might go barking a lot (like those little yippers who yip at everything), but that doesn't mean that if Lil Kim pushed an incident, he'd end up being the one with the biggest bite. A lil yipper, constantly drumming up a lot of noise, won't always save it from the big, lets say Rottie (or Malemute), should the much larger, but also much quiter dog finally have enough... And the big dog won't go making a lot of noise ahead of time either... The big dog isn't necessarily afraid of every little noise, and has enough confidence, to NOT NEED TO...
It goes along the lines of another proverb of old "walk quietly, but carry a big stick" :p
the only final destruction will be theirs.
Kim Jong Phatazz feels he isn't in the news enough, so his sock puppets will say whatever he tells them to keep him in the news, no matter how ludicrous it is. It always gets a grin from me, especially because they manage to do it with a straight face. Now that takes practice! I'm sure that Fatboi will sooner or later claim he has a Death Star, Light Sabers, and Photon Torpedoes. He is an amusing little pudgy pipsqueak with a blustering habit he can't seem to break. Netted out, he will once again do nothing, and is the classic Great Sound and Fury, Signifying Nothing. OK, Phatty, what's your next imaginary threat?
Never underestimate your enemy, it could be fatal.
This is so old, this is the way they always act , same tune different leader. They ratchet up the threats of destruction and every other lie and aggression. Then later they promise to stop ' saber rattling' and nuclear test if only the UN and other countries give them food for there starving country. Meanwhile they stop nothing and hoard every bit of grain for their armies. And we sit back and let it happen time and time again. Remember when they agreed with Clinton not to develop nuclear weapons in exchange for tons and tons of rice. Look how that worked out. They can never be trusted. What they really need is taught a lesson, instead of the normal 'Neville Chamberlain' approach that everyone has taken with them.
Problem is they're best buddies with China. Now normally China is the sober best friend yanking the drunk jackass in the bar (North Korea) back and pushing him back into his seat, but I guess they're done covering for North Korea now.
Honestly, I doubt Korea will ever be unified again, because no country is equipped to handle an influx of millions of starving, uneducated refugees whose entire lives have been directed at the satisfaction of one man's ego.
Great analogy Daniel. China is smart. They let the drunk threaten people and countries. Keep in mind China's claims on the small islands off the Northeast coast of Taiwan that are claimed by so many countries. Strike a deal with China over the islands and , a miracle!, NK gets in line and shuts up for a while. American diplomacy should take notice. USA could cut a deal that would keep this nonsense in line for a long time, but I am afraid, the USA is just incapable of doing that at this time.
Paul - I'm not sure if it's that the US isn't capable, or if it's that we're hesitant to strike a deal under these circumstances because that encourages bad behavior. If you give the kid throwing a temper tantrum what he wants, he'll do it again the next time he wants something. It's just encouraging bad behavior, and it's the same reason nobody negotiates with terrorists.
Does anyone else hear the cuckoo clock striking midnight?
North Korea when it nukes South Korea what will the USA do then. We should go in a kick North Korea's ass before they nuke us or South Korea. The USA forgot how to fight an all out war.
Yeah, because that approach worked real well during the Korean War. Do some history, China will not want a US (or any other non communist country) that close to it's boarder.
I do think that we should be looking at China, right about now, and asking them what the hell is wrong with thier boy though.
All out wars are very expensive. Who are we going to borrow money from to wage a major war against North Korea, China?
As is the case in Iran the leadership in those countries are only seeking the respect of the global community. They want to be seen as a major player in international politics. They are looking for acknowledgement of their positions in the global marketplace. Thus far they have been shut off from the WalMart'ing of the global economy and feel they have no standing.
They seek recognition as a national entity in order to show their citizens they are in charge and are powerful leaders. This is a plea for respect on the global stage. Respect is much easier to grant than waging all out war against a starving populous. North Korea has no oil, there's no reason to invade.
In Iran we missed an opportunity to assist with their energy program to provide non-petro based electricity. If years ago we had taken the initiative to cooperate with their energy plans we would now have technicians and engineers in place and GE would be benefiting and we would have inside information on their capabilities instead of relying on spies such as 'screwball', et al, that led to the disaster in Iraq.
It could well be that our solution to the North Korea problem is to have GE, AT&T, etc approach them with offers of assistance in bringing them into the 21st century. I'm sure AMD and Deere would love to have the contract to provide them with seed and farming equipment. We're a capitalist nation. It's time we began acting like it and stopped waging war on the four corners of the globe. Employ people, identify a market and make a profit! It's really quite simple if you put down the sword for a moment and extend your hand in friendship.
In war you don't need money to start it..You just put a war tax in place when you go in to kick that fat ass son of Bitch.
NK does not want capitalism. It is a communist entity, a unitary state, a 'worker's paradise' whose whole economic level of success is based on their belief in the state (and they've done so well, haven't they?). They don't want to play nice with the rest of the world.
Iran is a theocracy whose stated goal is to bring Islam and Sharia Law to all of the world. They don't want to play nice with the rest of the world either.
Helping either of these countries would simply result in our aid being used against us or our allies.
@ JD, this is a whole different ball game in a different era. Do you honestly believe that the Chinese would jeapordize relations with their number one trade partner, risk the United States freezing their assets, or worse, in the advent of China engaging in retaliatory activities, declaring all US debt null and void. Modern China is nothing like the China of old; there is too much at stake, NK isn't worth it, not in the least.
Citizen Frank - might interest you to know that Japan's #1 trade partner in 1940 was the USA.
Me, I keep wondering when China and Russia are going to realize - and act - on the fact that they are on North Korea's borders... if the DPRK can launch on South Korea or the US as they claim, China and Russia are definitely in range. They probably don't care if Seoul goes up in smoke, but Shangai ir Vladivostok would sure get their attention.
we need to ask China wher they want the new boarder.and do they want the n. Korean people or not.
and not in public. then tell the world were filing a quick claim deed to some land. north of Korea.
Kim and his little power trips! One round to that guys head and all of North Korea would change. I doubt China cares any bit about their redheaded stepchild. If China was smart they would do the world a favor and rid this life of Little Kim. The sad part is that most of the people in north korea have been manipulated and brainwashed, so reuniting them with south korea would take time. Best to get rid of him now than wait later on when he actually does have a nuke and becomes more of a nuisance.
Because that's what Jesus would do, right?
We can't advocate assassinations as a remedy for international discord. There's this little used technique called diplomacy that hasn't been exercised for a while that should be brought out of the shed and dusted off. It just may save a few million lives both here and in Asia. It's cheap, doesn't take much time and often times works.
not at all, the military leadership behind baby Kim is the real power in NK,
If one wanted to bring religion into this, I seriously doubt letting a lil tyrant, or his handlers rain nuclear destruction down on entire nations would exactly hold to any sort of a "cosmic plan", nor would, should matters escalate turning the Earth's surface into something with climatic conditions as harsh as one finds on Mars today...
There does come a time, when both, 1. not every insane individual can be reasoned with, because reasoning requires rationality on both fronts, and 2. it is for the greater good to stop some actions dead in their tracks, before the casualties of doing nothing would mount up. At this time, N. Korea is like a pint sized dog that yips at everything, and makes up a big stink, but doesn't have much bite. If ever that would change, well we all have a vested interest in both the planet we all have to share, and in seeing to it that civilization survives and we aren't all reduced to the level of progress mankind had to endure through the dark ages.
I don't see what "Jesus would have done" really should enter into this here, but if one does want to go that route, he wasn't always a pacafist, such as when he overturned the tables of the money changers and said "I will not have my father's house turned into a market place". There are those, he did stand up to, when the time/place/circumstances were deemed both right and proper.
Now, do I think lil Kim is that much of a real threat? No, he seems more like a non-threat (except to those stuck living in that hell hole of a country) who does a lot of saber rattling to try (unsucessfully) to deflect atention away from the fact that there's little bite to go along with that bark; but if ever that would change, the wellfare of the entire human race would have to take some precedent, and nations leaders should rightly think first about the well being of their OWN CITIZENS first, not him, or his military... These people, and not these pip squeeks in NK are the one's they're supposed to serve, and to represent as part of their own duty, given their own office...
The united States needs to stay FAAAARRRRR away from these countries. North and South Korea. Let them bomb the crap out of each other please.......We need to fix our problems at home. No more helping other countries until we help our own. The americans deserve it. The taxpayers of America have given enough.
warren your a dumbass.
You are the dumbass, America is finished, you had better get used to it. America is the worlds enemy...
now, now children, don't argue.
Im so sick of this #@%&. First of all warren must be North Korean. And not the smartest crayon in the coloring box. Second of all stop blaming Bill Clinton for the fact North Korea has an insane idiot for a leader. Other countries have the same abilities the difference is we dont go around flexing our nuclear power muscle. As far as I'm concerned, and I really dont care what others think, its time to rid ourselves of this man. He cant run his country, he doesnt take care of his country or the people there. He is a selfish power hungary crazy little ugly man. I'm sick of the threats, I think we should have someone go in and take care of his sorry @$$. Any country that threats to start any kind of nuclear war should be wiped off this planet. Or at least the people who threaten it. This hong kong fooey has done enough that we should have already dealt with him. All of us, China, US, Japan, I would say Russia but for some reason they dont seem to think it matters. Maybe they would like to see all the destruction happen so they can try and be in charge of whats left.
Bottom line, if he doesnt care if his own people are dying because of his rule, why would he care if he causes mass destruction anywhere.Get rid of the UN and go back to doing things the old fashion way.
warren is most likely a North Korean. Hence his ridiculous, childish statements
Oh right.. and if we just conveniently let NK do their tinkering and they'll suddenly realize what they're doing is a bad idea... Why don't you just WAKE UP! The last time we let a madman run loose to do whatever he pleased, millions died! Then when we ignored the warnings from a country across the ocean, we were attacked! Attacked! You want to sit and wait around looking over your shoulder for the rest of your years? I get it you're scared. No shame in admitting that.
NK should be banned from the United Nations. So too should Iran.
The UN has no guts. No authority. No MAS. No brains!
Why not just disband the UN altogether. They do nothing but talk and suck up money from the US. All those diplomatic plates would disappear from NY and there would be a bunch of prime real estate for rent or sale in the Big Apple.
The UN is the most corrupt political entity created in the history of western civilization. But Obama will give them the power through the small arms treaty to take our weapons.
johnpaul -
Obama's coming to get you.
Boo!
The UN exists in part to make abusive aggressor countries feel like they have a platform to air their grievances and feel like they aren't totally isolated from the civilized world. To push out countries that are almost universally disliked would cut them off from the flow of international opinion and negotiations (to the extent that these things matter) and encourage even more unilateral lunacy like this.
Not that we'd necessarily be worse off without them, but it's not like our contribution to the UN is what's emptying our treasury.
translation:
"WAAAAAHHHH!!!! the UN won't do things OUR WAY!!!!!"
We can be certain that obama will give another strongly worded speech. (Snore). With North Korea under the protective wing of China there is little the world can do but try and influence the Chinese to discipline their mentally challenged child. The other option is too dangerous and apocalyptic to think about. Until the North Korean Regime loses its leverage there is little the obama regime can do.
So you criticize Obama for only giving speeches, whilst admitting that any sort of intervention would be disastrous.
Sounds like Obama's in a bit of a lose-lose situation here. Of course, observation of the mentally deluded over the past four years has made it quite clear that, no matter what Obama does, it will never be right. If he were to come out in favor of lower taxes, free guns and training for all non-criminal adults, and zero-tolerance in regards to illegal immigration, the Tea Partiers and Republican party would suddenly be opposed to the very positions they once espoused.
Jason,
Not true; we would cheer the fact that he had finally seen the light; by utilizing
some common sense. Those that voted for him TWICE (like you) are obviously incapable of
understanding this concept.
I heard they are eating their dead. Lets cook Pyongyang for them.
Cmon Robert Jon C., Jason is spot on. The ignorance of some is just..oh i dont know? Why dont we just call them republicans. Seems right. Your peeking through the door.. You need to open it up all the way.
kick them out of the UN..why are they even there??...stop ALL aid to them from all countries and if they launch missiles blow them to hell....
do you want to do that to Iran also.
You sound like you have the mentality of a 5th grader.
Let's kick the can down to China. That will give them something to do. They are bored as illustrated by their continual hacking of our computer systems.
outside of this stupid political agenda that some insane Korean sociopathic leaders have, there are thousands of innocent people's lives at stake. If I were Korean, I would leave both North and South and migrate to another more compassionate country in disgust. honestly! the mere mention of nuclear war from those in position of power should warrant immediate arrests. Nuclear affects our ENTIRE planet!!
listen to yourself would u? this is a political power play. there are thousands of innocent people's lives at stake. wake up stupid american, that's a stupid thing to say.
put your shirt on, would ya Dakota? You're gonna get Navyvet, JohnPaulo and RoboCop all excited
As long as the dog keeps barking and growling your o.k. its when he stops barking that your gonna get bit.
North Korea been asking for a spanking for a long time, well past due to give them one, but with the pathetic U.N. and our paper tiger president, nothing will be done until N.K. nukes California or Hawaii, no great loss though, even then they will just have a temper tantrum and say they will do something to avenge the loss.
The big problem is, as long as China continues to come to the aid of these crazies, and as long as the US needs the Chinese to help fund the operations of our government. Put the two together, and as long as China continues to suggest that any action taken against NK could mean going to wsn'tar with China as well...
And it isn't just this president. Any president would have to consider the situaion with China, at least so long as we continue to be monetarily dependelnt on them for our own source of capital...
And yes, they have been asking for a spanking, yes they should probably get their snout smacked once, for all the trouble they like to ask for; but one also has to consider China in all of this, and what would happen with our relations there. War with NK AND China at the same time, would not be entirely desierable, especially if then China decides to stop lending money to the US, and our government (as well as military funding?) should grind to a hault the day after.
US will not get in this mess again. We lost enough men there. It's china's headache.
Absolutely. The last thing China wants is to get pulled into a war just when they're making some progress.
The Industrial Military Complex must be loving this saber rattling by North Korea. The war machine never stops. They can waste billions of dollars on the F-35 that has yet to see combat and yet can't find money in their coffures to fund unemployment benefits, monitor big oil for price gouging the American public, pass effective gun control measures to avert more mass murders, lower tax rates, provide ample inspectors for food, FAA, and add rather than substract money for state funding for police, fire, and teachers.
Wha....................? SportsLover, you need to adjust your medication.
When wignuts have no intelligent argument they always revert to 'take your medication' or some variant.
They think it's 'funny' and a conversation stopper.
It only shows how disconnected they are from the reality of what medication can/can't do and how incapable they are of engaging in thoughtful banter.
when wingnuts say 'take your meds' it's the same as saying you've won the argument and they have nothing else to offer.
QED
SportsLover22 . Wow, what a wonderfully relevant statement that was (not!).
Allow me to pose a less sarcastic rebuttal to SportsLover's argument:
Your evidently knee-jerk decision to criticize the "Military-Industrial Complex" (you typed it wrong, BTW) rather than actually offering an opinion on North Korea's diplomatic conduct, to say nothing of your litany of generic, talking-point leftist tripe, leads me to conclude that you have no intelligent contribution to this topic.
You may point to the army and say "this is why we can't have nice things". I may point to North Korea and say "and that's why we need the army."
Whats funny is gordona gets his point, whatever it may be.
Little man syndrome comes to mind.
Call me ill-informed in the weapons department, but can't we intercept any missiles heading our way?
Any missiles? No. Any missiles from North Korea? Yes. NK's Unha-3 rocket is an extremely low-tech 3-stage liquid-fueled rocket. It takes hours to fuel up and has a very visible launchpad. If they tried to use it against the US, we could intercept it easily during the boost phase or even on the launchpad.
Note that that's just for their ICBM aimed at the US - we'd have much less luck with one of their medium-range missiles aimed at Seoul or Incheon. And as for a Chinese or Russian-launched ICBM, well...you remember how to duck and cover, right?
Not to bright on ways of war are you ? Sure we can stop a missle but how about the " slow boat" ..Put several bombs in several frieghters move them to New York , San Fran, LA pick a few yourself. At zero hour ...there goes a port city an a few million people. Sane people think sane thoughts.. Insane just do insane stuff. Insane don't think that we would destroy them they think we will give op and than they win
The world can sleep peacefully yet. Third World War will not happen for a while. An ancient vision says: "And [the king of the north] will go back (to) his land with great wealth [1945]; and his heart (will be) against the holy covenant [state atheism]; and will act [it means activity in the international arena]; and turned back to his own land [1991-1993. The collapse of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact. Russian troops returned to their country]. At the appointed time [he] will return back." (Daniel 11:28, 29a) The return of Russia in this context means crisis, which will eclipse the Great Depression. Not only the eurozone will break up, but also the European Union and NATO. Then many countries of the former Eastern block will return to Russia's zone of influence. Russian troops will be stationed here again.
Russia, however, will not return everywhere. "And [the king of the north] will enter into the south [Georgia], but it will not be as the former [1921] or as the latter [2008], for the dwellers of coastlands of Kittim [the West] will come against him, and he will be dejected, and will go back." (Daniel 11:29b, 30a, literal translation)
Moses writes: "But ships from the direction of Kittim [USN], and troubling Asshur [Russia] and troubling Eber [remaining enemies, including Iran and China]." (Numbers 24:24a, literal translation)
This will be a nuclear war. (Revelation 6:4) "A great sword" = a nuclear sword. As Jesus foretold, it will be "the beginning of birth pains". (Mathew 24:7, 8)
All the details of this vision are being fulfilled from the time of ancient Persia, in chronological order. It is true that this vision is variously interpreted. As one can see, it has a lot of details. Therefore the insightful person is able to detect any error or sophistry.
In 1882 British troops occupied Egypt. Great Britain then took the role of "the king of the south". Around the same time, Russia expanded its influence in the region, which previously belonged to Seleucus I Nicator, and took the role of "the king of the north". (Daniel 11:27)
I know we have a lot of religious nuts in our country. Fortunately, we no longer have one as president.
The Old Testament was written by anonymous Hebrew authors thousands of years ago. None of what they said (and it was them, not some deity) can apply to conditions today. That scam has been tried by fools too many times to get any traction today.
Please take your meds and settle down. The world is not out to get you, but if you keep up with your delusions, some guys in white coats may be running after you and wonder how you got out of the funny farm.
"None of what they said (and it was them, not some deity) can apply to conditions today. " Ewiaky is only a little whackier than you Ron. History shows that human behavior hasn't really changed much. The same things that applied then still do.
ron is very intimidated by anything relating to God or religion in general. The word GOD scares the crap out of this guy,seen his posts before. If you have a problem with religion ron,fine,but don't mock others that do.God bless you ron
Really Ewiak?
Oh Lordy, when all else fails... buy more guns and swear that God is talking to you
There is also a part about a talking burning bush and an old man parting a sea. And a cow jumping over the moon and a little girl chasing a rabbit down a hole!!
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America is going broke with threats like this ! But Republicans are to stupid to see it happening.
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Oh grow up, if it was not for the old Republicans and the Independents, you'll be speaking another
language and living in a socialistic commune. The democraps of today are not the Democrats from years gone by; today's democraps are the new communist party.
Would that not be like nukeing themselves also since they are right on top of each other. N Korea seems to be full of crazies.
RoboCop.....The Republicians used to be the Liberals. So if your thinking is correct we would living in a Socialistic Commune of Republicans now. Since it is the OLD Republibcans you comment about.
You flipping clowns, there are no Dems or Reps. There are just two diiferent sides set up by a lot of money to make you think you have a choice and get you too waste your time arguing over issues that are a huge dog and pony show to the public and a bribery bonanza behind the scenes. The politicians are bought out, the media is bought out, the issues are used to waste time while right under your nose they are CLEANING YOUR CLOCK! And you people fall for it hook line and sinker. Better take the money out of the election equation, folks, and that starts by voting them ALL out. Unfortunately for us that are not part of the super rich elite ruling class, that is rigged too!
Finally at least one person has figured it out.
@RoboCop - It's always nice when someone announces so clearly that they have nothing relevant to say and have been utterly brainwashed by the voices on the radio.
Here's a hint for you: You know nothing about the history of the United States or its political parties. You know nothing about communism. You don't know much about anything, in fact.
In reality, the Republican party has become intellectually and morally bankrupt over the last 40 years as it has moved ever further to the Right. The party has been radicalized as it has been taken over by fundamentalists, the uneducated, and people with the maturity of kindergarteners. If it weren't for the moderating influence of the Democrats (who have many, many problems of their own, of course), we'd be living in a third world country right now.
I fail to see how this threat is responsible for America going broke, or why Republicans should accept full blame for our financial woes. I'm well aware of how incompetent Bush was while in power, but a Democrat is in charge now (you may have noticed), and he hasn't done a stellar job of balancing the books himself.
Blame is cheap. How about getting our current leaders to fix our problems rather than whining about who caused them?
It's always nice when someone announces so clearly that they have nothing relevant to say and have been utterly brainwashed by the voices on the TV.
The Dems got where the Republicans are now ("intellectually and morally bankrupt," "the uneducated, and people with the maturity of kindergarteners") back in the 1970's, and has stayed there ever since. As is so aptly demonstrated above.
robocop is a whacko. Wow!!! Geez man..get a clue. ugh..some peoples children
Just for the sure hell of it let's start world war 3 and see what becomes of it.
ask yourself one question. if this threat was directed to Israel, what would they do? The answer is they would have already done it.
Not really. Iran has been threatening them for years. However, when Israel finally does take action out of the blue, we will then know Iran is damn close to launching a nuke themselves.