Really? So if I am at home with my kids and some whack jog breaks into my house I need to wait until he attacks somebody to do something? "Hey buddy - did you get lost and crawl through my kicked in door on accident? With no intentions of doing harm?" That would be the last thoughts of the person who did not do everything to protect their family from crooks. If you do not want to be shot, do not break into someone else's home. Very simple. I do not worry about people shooting me when I violate their homes because I am not a criminal.

Of course you're right. People should wait to see if the prowler in their home plans on killing their family before they shoot them. Maybe sit down and have coffee with them and discuss it like rational human beings. Teenagers are just as capable of rape and murder as adults and if they are already committing home invasions they are not really on the fast track to a good life. Of course I live in Ct and remember Dr. Petit's horror story very clearly. It's exactly what I'd be thinking about if someone broke into my home while I was there. My suggestion? Don't break into someone's home and you don't risk being shot for it.

Disagree. Vehemently. Criminals committing crimes have shirked legality with their actions. In a person's home? Criminals committing crimes should have no claim to legality as protection from occupant reactions.

One doesn't wanna get shot? One should stay on the damned welcome mat until ushered in. Otherwise? The hardest part of making a decision is usually having to live with it. And residential burglary/home invasion is certainly no exception.

Have kids. Put some stranger in their bedroom via their unlocked bedroom window at 3am. See how short your deliberations about legality become. And if you say you'd wait until that stranger makes a move before putting him down hard just for proximity? You should not have kids.

Here is one I read on You tube

Roses are Red;

Violets are Glorious;

Don't try to surprise;

Oscar Pistorius.

I didn't mean wait until they are on you. The point I was making was, it is not right to just blast away without even trying to warn them off or hold them for the police. And especially not right to shoot someone in the back as they try to run away. Make no mistake, people use these laws as an excuse to kill. Even when they know damn well their life was never in danger. Someone breaking in, doesn't automatically mean it was.

If you shoot someone in so called "self defense", you should have to show it actually was self defense.

As far as im concerned, you gun someone down mercilessly you are just as much a criminal as they were. Should someone decide your rights don't matter and kill you for it?

Im glad I don't live where they have "castle doctrine". People have to actually prove self defense. Even in their home.

I just hope that he isn't eventually set free on the grounds that steroids made him do it. He voluntarily chose to use steroids, so he should be held accountable for his actions when he is using them. "Roid rage" should not be a defense.

Detective Hilton Botha, giving evidence, said officers two boxes of testosterone and needles in Pistorius’ bedroom.

Hey, Rohit Kachroo, Michelle Kosinski and Alastair Jamieson...are you telling me that no one among the three of you has the ability to proofread or edit before publishing? Of course, what am I thinking? This is NBCNews.com. Go back to school and learn how to write.

He is just an abuser hiding behind the image of an hero. I hope that he does not get especial treatment just because he is famous.

I hate to say it but I think he did it. No question.

His "I thought she was an intruder" defense is going to fly ...about as well a helicopter that just lost its rotor.

Tragic that a young woman should die because this clown could not control his anger.

it's not looking good for Oscar that's for sure....odds say he is guilty.....as I've stated before the FBI stats speak for themselves in that you are more likely to be harmed/murdered by someone you know than a complete stranger.....especially if you are female.....too bad she didn't have her own gun she could have shot back I guess or maybe he would not have shot at her at all if she had been packing some heat!!!

Guess they were arguing about which one should shoot the intruder.

First, I applaud castle doctrine. If you break into someone's house, and they are home, you deserve whatever you get. Second, his story about a burglar being in the bathroom doesn't make sense. In the bathroom?? Down the hall, sure; in the living room, sure; but in the bathroom? Plus, if th reports about him putting his legs on are true, that does not help him either. I also think he did it.

Did anyone look at the floorplan of his home. To get into the bathroom, one must walk through the walk in closet. Why would a burglar break into somone's home, come up the stairs, by pass the owners sleeping in their bed, walk through the walk-in closet, and then lock himself in a close off bathroom. If I was a burglar, I would begin taking things downstairs.

This is my theory of what may had happened. These two got into an heated argument that lasted for hours. She struck him with a cricket bat. He retrieved his gun. She began to run for cover toward the bathroom. He shot her once in the rear. She made into the bathroom and locked the door. He picked up the cricket bat and then tried to break the door in. She stood at the door to keep him from breaking in. He shot through the door hitting her three more times. He kicked in the bathroom door. Still in a heat of rage, he hit her in the head with the cricket bat, crushing her skull. He returned to the bedroom and dropped the cricket bat. He began thinking about a cover up. He returned to the bathroom, picked up her unconscious body, and carried it downstairs. He then made several calls. But he never called the police to make any report.

He could have easily prevented this hearing by saying a "black man did it". People would have believe that lie quickly than the lie he is perpertrating now. It works in America.

sounds about right to me Chris Dover and I totally agree about the layout of the bathroom and why she went into that bathroom......he is a coward.....she must have been scared to death in those last few minutes of her life.....SMDH!!!

he should admit what he did and take his punishment like a man!!!

More Justice- you seem very concerned about the rights of someone who breaks into others homes- a violation on many, many levels. A person should always feel safe in their own home and nobody has a right to enter anothers home without invite (unless, of course, accompanied by a search warrant). You wake up in the middle of the night to an intruder and you really do experience terror- and shouldn't be held responsible for defending yourself against such a threat. I want to know what 'rights' you are saying don't matter? The right to rob people? The right to commit home invasion? The right to terrorize a homeowner?

A non-stop argument... testosterone found in the bedroom... a shot fired in a hallway...

Oscar needs to tell the truth, but it won't set him free.

Ten years ago during the summer I was sleeping every night in my daughters bedroom because the window was compromised. A man did try to break in and believe me I knew exactly where my daughter was in one second. I chased the bastard away from the outside of my house. He started breaking in at the next house. The Syracuse police were at my house in ten minutes. I saw the man crossing the field across from my house after I circled my home. I knew exactly where my child was as soon as I heard him breaking in. She was next to me in bed. This guy is a murderer.

They need to hang this guy in a public square for all to see. My heart goes out to Reeva's family with no forgiveness for him and any problems that he has. He is a murderer.

MoreJustice

Its not looking good for him.

Break and enter isn't a death penalty offense. Its suppose to be self defense.

Dude, if someone breaks into my home, I don't have time to give the guy an evaluation. Your post contradicts itself by saying "It's supposed to be self defense."

You're correct there.... One shot, One kill....

Any questions?!

More justice, Friends knock at your door. Friends do not knock down your door. KA-BOOM!

As far as this situation goes, his lawyer will drag it out as long as he can then hopefully he spends the rest of his life behind bars.

Im glad I don't live where they have "castle doctrine". People have to actually prove self defense. Even in their home.

Well, I'm glad I DO live in a state that has the Castle Doctrine because I WILL defend my family and property. And if you're dumb enough to break into ANYONE'S abode uninvited then you deserve to be a Darwin Award winner, as far as I'm concerned. The taxpayers of society and the human race would be better off for it.

The investigator said he wants to charge Pistorius with possession of unlicenced ammunition, according to Reuters.

Really? So just in case the murder charge doesn't stick you can hand him a hundred dollar fine as he walks out the door???? LOL Better check and see if them there legs is registered too Barney! Oh yeah, here's your one licensed bullet...now run down make sure Floyd's scissors are registered too.

john-537378

Guess they were arguing about which one should shoot the intruder.

Maybe they were arguing because Oscar's "intruder" wasn't up to a Valentine's Day performance?

Anyone defending this guy or any of his actions that night is nuts. There was never any intruder. There was never any real judgement call as to whether to shoot into that bathroom door or any question as to who was behind that door. This was cold blooded murder.

The speculation above by several posters is just absurd and has no relevance to this case whatsoever.

I 'love' the fact that so many people here are so ready to pass judgment. Bear in mind that the prosecutor's job is to make the accused look as bad as possible. The defense's job is to present exactly the opposite image. Both sides are going to exaggerate the image they present to the extreme in order to sway the court of public opinion as well as a judge and jury.

It is possible that Pistorius did think his girlfriend was in bed asleep when he fired into the toilet stall in his bathroom. It is just as plausible that he knew she was the person in the bathroom when he fired. A love note e-mail that evening from her to him would seem to argue against any trouble between the pair and the argument may or may not have been anything serious. In fact, some people with a habit of 'vigorous' sex have been mistaken as arguing as well. But it is just as possible that there truly was a violent argument and Steenkamp naively ran to the bathroom to hide from Pistorius (and decided to urinate while she was at it). It is just as possible that she was asleep and, when he got out of bed, she woke also and went to the bathroom unbeknownst to him. There are a lot of possible scenarios to the incidents of that evening. Since none of us really knows what happened, let's just wait until this story plays out. Get a little more information on both sides of the argument.

That, or you could just jump to conclusions, make your decision from a knee-jerk, biased, uninformed perspective and condemn the man without all the facts. Of course, that kind of a reaction says more about you than the 'other guy'.

And, vox, almost everything almost everyone here has said is speculation, including, almost extremely so, your own assertions of absolute judgment. And to say others are 'nuts' because you have passed judgment without having all the facts is ... well ... a biased, uninformed, knee-jerk perspective.

Just where did he think the girlfriend he was fighting with was when he was killing the "intruder"?

You just have to love this gem:

A detective also testified that needles and testosterone were found in the athlete's bedroom. The double-amputee's defense disputed the claim, saying the substance was in fact a herbal remedy.

An "herbal remedy", eh? Yeah. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

People put your thinking caps on. The reporter wrote, "Detective Hilton Botha testified that one witness heard gunshots, saw lights on in the house, heard a woman screaming two or three times, then another few shots." Alright, say he didn't know she was in the bathroom and shot into it and she screamed. Why shoot a few more times after hearing her scream two or three more times. He should have known by then it was her in the bathroom.

Do you need any more proof that money and fame will get you the other set of laws, not the ones us peons have to endure? If his lawyer would have been smart, he could have used the "Roid Rage" scene, but I'm guessing Aussie laws may defer from our own?

It's South Africa, not Australia. And, from what was in an earlier article they do not have trial by jury for this offense.

Bravo, thewordsmith - one of the few intelligent, rational people in this string. The whole scenario as you describe it is what just about any "civilized" justice system has morphed into. Trials have become a game of chess between the prosecution and the defense, rather than pursuit of the TRUTH, determining guilt or innocence, and applying punishment appropriate to the crime or offense. That being said, we DON'T have all the facts yet everyone wants to play judge and jury and convict him in the court of public opinion.

There is nothing "knee-jerk" about realizing this guy intentionally killed his girlfriend. The function of a man with a gun in a home is to protect himself and the inhabitants. It is far beyond the scope of reason and sanity that anyone would fire a weapon in a home without being sure of the target. Too far beyond the scope of reason and sanity to give even the smallest benefit of the doubt to this guy.

And as far as the castle doctrine goes, my perspective is that by default, when someone uninvited enters my home it is a mortal threat. The intruder will shuffle off the mortal coil.

Sometimes people ought to 'man-up' and face the consequences of their actions.

Attorneys certainly cloud issues at times and prolong the agony of trials.

herbal remedy- love it. Sounds like Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens and a few others got to him pretty fast on what to say about PED's being found...

this guy isnt worth the legs he is standing on, literally. You know, it really irks me that this guy took resources from other disabled people so that he could become a murderer...talk about a slap in the face to those who supported this dude...what total humiliation he has brought to the sport, his family, friends, sponsors, and even his doctors and prosthetic people who gave him his life back.

if you all wonder why industries/corps/business do not pity folks anymore, this is why

The problem here lies in the fact that breaking and entering IS NOT a death penalty offense. If it were, like it should be, there would certainly be less break-ins!

It's even more not looking good for him because he is a coldblooded killer.

murderer!

here's why:

a man will grab his girl first....this guy grabs his legs, a bat, and a gun...not his woman?

no man would think a bad guy was in his home without grabbing his woman!!! period..and there is nothing that evolution can do to change the fact that a man will save a woman first, before himself....

this is the flaw in this freaks argument

Easy HeadInTheWind - my guess is your knowledge of criminal trials comes from what you watch on TV shows. That is what we call entertainment, and is about as close to the reality of a criminal trial as Star Trek is to the U.S. Air Force. I will concede that the defense's whole goal is to engage in a chess match and they will do everything in their power to hide evidence, exclude evidence, and twist testimony (it is their job as they say). But the vast majority of prosecutors feel it is their job and primary goal to get the truth (meaning ALL of the facts) in front of the jury and let the jury make the decision. I speak from experience.

As for Pistorius, there are a couple of things I would be having my investigators look at. Pistorius said he shot through the door because he was terrified because he did not have his legs on and felt he was at a disadvantage. But he admits that prior to the shooting he was able to go out on the balcony and bring in a fan and that he was able to go from the bed, through the closet and into the bathroom all without difficulty. Additionally, I would have them check the height and trajectory of the bullets through the door to see if they confirm or refute his story of not having his legs on (meaning he was shorter so the trajectory angle would be different than if he was standing full height). Another thing is the mention that she was fully clothed, if she was in street clothes that would refute his claim that they were in bed and he thought she was still in bed when he shot through the door. Finally, I would have my guys test the light switches - he claims that the lights were out and it was dark (they were sleeping) so he did not know she had left the bed and that he was too afraid to turn on the lights. Ask him what order he turned on the lights after he shot through the door, then check those switches for blood and GSR since he would have transferred one or both after the shooting was over. If nothing is found on the switches, then there is a good chance they were already on and his story loses veracity.

they did check the height of the trajectory, he was standing...watch the video for the detail. good post

it is also suspicious that he called friends over to help and not the police

Your Head is definitely into something, but it is not the Wind.

Morejustice-

when somebody breaks in and they are within a room with you and or your family, you have a serious problem even if you have a gun in your hand... general rule of thumb a lot of police departments use in close quarters is that someone can close a 12 foot gap in 1.5 seconds and and cause a fatal wound when armed with a knife... you completely do not understand the dangers involved....

you are like one of those people who never wears a seatbelt and says "I'll have time to buckle up when I see a crash coming"

also, the vast majority of break ins are NOT perpetrated by teenagers, and even if they were, it still doesn't change the close quarters self defense situation as they are quite capable of carrying weapons

Castle Doctrine exists because if an unknown person has entered your house, they have demonstrated they are willing to ignore the law and that they have an ability to potentially do harm to you easily..... if someone ever does break into your home and you don't shoot them at the first opportunity, you are taking a very serious risk with your and your loved ones' lives...

Good Christ! wilsonarden would you die already! What a scum sucking loser you are.

they say'n...him a roids user...

roadlesstraveled,

I think that you project what you would do on everyone else.

dman

Defense is already poking holes in the police theory. Right now there appears to be more holes in the Police version tha his.

In America, the prosecution probably would have gone for involuntary manslaughter and he goes to jail and won easily.

Being this is not in America, it could go either way, but favours the police a bit.

Not talking about this case in particular, but I'd be curious to know how many teen-agers or other family members have been "mistakenly" shot at when they tried to crawl back into their homes after taking a "night out" without their parent's permission. Seems easy to me that you could mistake a break-in with a teen-ager who is trying to crawl back into his/her bedroom after sneaking out. My thing is that you should be FULLY AWARE of who you are shooting at before you just willy nilly shoot someone coming in a window because you MAY be shooting someone who is totally innocent. Besides, what's wrong with just using a baseball bat and disarming him/her with a smack to the kneecaps.....a lot less final, wouldn't you say, in case of mistaken identity?

Additionally, for you "armchair" prosecutors and defense lawyers, despite what has already been written in the media....people are innocent until proven guilty no matter HOW provocative the evidence is. I'm reserving my judgment until the court does their job, and I'm sure whatever the end results are will be as close to the truth as possible. Since none of us were actually in the room or in the area at the time, none of us have the right to voice any valid opinions about what actually happened, especially based on what the media tells us. We should all know by now that the media tends to "lie" from time to time and/or embellish the story to make it more spectacular and sell their papers, magazines, etc. I tend not to always believe everything the media tells me.....you all might be wise to do the same. Just my opinion....

MoreJustice - "Im glad I don't live where they have "castle doctrine". People have to actually prove self defense. Even in their home."

I don't have to prove self-defense in Texas. If someone breaks into my house, I have the right to shoot him. We have a very long driveway, so the mere fact that he came all the way to my house and is breaking in shows that he intends to cause harm to me or my property. And if he makes it all the way back to where I am standing with the loaded gun, yes, he will be shot down. My daughters know where my guns are and have been taught how to properly handle and shoot them at a young age. So if they are home alone and someone breaks in, they will be able to protect themselves.

Defense is already poking holes in the police theory. Right now there appears to be more holes in the Police version tha his.

db akron - It is possible that I may have missed something in the current accounts of this case. But, to date, I've not seen anything to contradict the fact that he fired through a locked bathroom door, four times.

If his girl friend had just arrived at the residence, in the very early hours of the morning, it seems unlikely she would not in some way announce herself.

If she was already in the house, as seems far more likely, why would Pistorias, with an empty bed, and a closed bathroom door, assume this was some kinky, night time intruder?

Where did he think his girl friend might be? Under the bed? Hiding in the refrigerator? Wearing a cloak of invisibility?

If an intruder, armed or otherwise had broken in, what are the chances his (or her) first move would be a bowel movement in the bathroom?

No, though the defense is doing a good job calling some of the peripheral facts into question, such as the presence of steroids and needles, and witness claims to have heard a protracted argument in the apartment, the core facts remain unchallenged. His girl friend was in the bathroom, behind a locked door (why, locked), and he chose to fire his gun through the door, in self defense??

If he gets off, it will be a bigger miscarriage of justice than when OJ beat the rap back in 1995 (or 96).

When a person takes hormones and/or steriods they can become extemely quick tempered. He has a history of being quick tempered. The yelling had been present for an hour. The downward direction of the bullets suggest his legs were attached. She is attracted to abusive men. It all adds up to jail time for Oscar.

I wonder if they will let him have his artificial legs in prison. I would think that he, or another prisoner, could use them as a weapon.

Morejustice.... I'm so happy for you that you live in a liberal state where the "castle doctrine" doesn't apply. I live in St. Louis, where the castle law does apply, and I'll tell you there have been 3 cases reported on the news within the last 3 weeks where (we'll just call them "criminals" for argument sake) criminals have broken into homes, hell, one criminal even scuffled with a homeowner in his back yard; the homeowners have shot these intruders. No need to prove anything, someone broke into your property and you shot them, no questions asked. There is no investigation. It saves our justice system time and tax payers money.

Every day there is another story where "criminals" are breaking into cars and homes, residents are tired and taking matters into their own hands. I say GO FOR IT!!!! Our police are too busy with murders and crap to deal with these petty thieves. I think the castle law is fantastic!

And when I say "criminals", I think we all know what kind of people of which I am referring. Feel free to fill in the blank if you'd like....

When the mouth gets replaced by the gun in a domestic argument, it's never pretty. And the beat goes on .

I'm calling BS on that. There are a lot of firearms out there and a lot of domestic arguments. Statistically very few domestic arguments end with shots fired.

Pistorious' story is incredible and unworthy of belief!

The story is without value and unworthy of continued news coverage. This is the Simpsons trial all over again. If people paid more attention to stuff that really matters say for instance the economy or their kids education rather than the trial of a flavor-of-the-week semi-celebrity the world would be better off.

"Statiscally" speaking:

Domestic violence facts - 9000 victims of abuse every day

So, his defense is basically, "I thought there was an intruder using my bathroom. I feared for my life. I had to shoot through the closed door before he got off the toilet".

Fry this f*cker.

Roid rage. He probably was guilty in 2009 too. Three bullet casings in the bathroom? That means he could see who he was shooting at. GUILTY!

@lilmorts: let me guess... so, the kind of ppl that are criminals are, "whites", "Blacks", "Browns", etc??? are those are the kind of ppl that "could be" criminals??? White collar and blue collar type of thieves right?

So let me ask you... Does a "petty theif" anger you? or does the "Madoff"-type of thief anger you more?

lilmort, don't be the "idiot" bro. :D

Truth,

The point is, you dont know that they are just thieves. If a guy just takes my tv, sure that sucks, but Ill get over it. But I dont know that in his rumblings, that he may run into one of my family members and kill them out of fear or evil or whatever. That is why if they are in your house, you are allowed to kill them. You dont know if they'll just whip a gun out and start shooting at you the minute they see you.

And in answer to your question that has no merit to the topic at hand, both anger me equally depending on circumstance. Madoff angers me because he ripped off so many people. Petty thieves could anger me just as much though. If someone steals your wife's wedding ring, or the small amount of money that you have for the month, it could severely affect your life. A petty thief robbing a poor person, does just as much damage as Madoff to a family.

Truth... I said to fill in the blank however you wanted.... You took it to that level, not me. Around here there is usually one type of criminal.

Mr. Burns is absolutely correct. And when you're the victim, it doesn't matter. Petty crime or not, it's still crime!

Of course petty crime bothers me. We call 911 in the city and it could take hours or even days before anyone even shows up because there are so many serious crimes sometimes it actually takes that long for them to respond.

And, I'm not your "Bro"

Morejustice, any strange intruder who breaks into my home whether through the door, window or otherwise will be greeted looking into the barrel of a shotgun loaded with 00 buck. These are crazy and dangerous times which may require quick drastic defensive action.

Pistorius's murder case may be diffcult without sufficient evidence or motive to prove that he "intentionally and knowingly" killed his girlfriend. The police have no direct witnesses or other substantial evidence except for circumstance based upon assumptions. We'll see what happens.

TO: jac666 who wrote:

"...If you do not want to be shot, do not break into someone else's home..."

She didn't "break in", she lived there.

I believe he killed her in cold blood.

This guy just makes me sick. Everyone deserves a fair trial, but his story makes NO SENSE. Watch his high powered attorney get him off for killing a scared unarmed women cowering in the bathroom. As for the poor girl's bladder, she likely urinated on herself after she was shot. Bladder control is one of the first to go. So yes, this guy is disgusting.

Judith Logue

"Statiscally" speaking:

Domestic violence facts - 9000 victims of abuse every day

According to this website

domesticviolencestatistics.org/domestic-violence-statistics/

"a woman is a victim of domestic violence every 9 seconds". Same source "3 woman die each day as a result of domestic violence". that would put the odd of dying as a result of domestic violence at 0.0003125 percent. That's a a fairly low probability even if all 3 deaths were by firearm. And that's the point. Most domestic disputes do NOT end in death or death by firearm so the firearm angle is void.

You can check out your odds here:

www.livescience.com/3780-odds-dying.html

Douglas Oats....your pathetic, go back under the rock you slithered out from....moron!

There is actually a pretty simple test to see if Pistorius was wearing his blades or not when he fired into the bathroom and which will also show exactly where he was aiming at. you take some long sticks (you don't really need the sticks today because computer imaging can do all of this) and stick them through the holes. The angle of the holes will tell you exactly where the shots were aimed at. You would expect anyone shooting at an intruder hiding in the bathroom to be aiming chest level. If the shots were aimed at someone sitting on the toilet seat, then you have your answer. Using the same method, but heading back outside the bathroom, you can tell at what height the shots were fired from. It is simple to measure Pistorius with his blades on and with them off. Most people shoot a gun with their arm extended with it at or just below eye level.

The biggest factor in all justice systems is that the best lawyers almost always become defense lawyers because there is no money in prosecution. We saw that in the OJ case. We also know defense lawyers will do anything to win, like borrowing evidence, a glove for instance, and cutting up the lining so it is hard to put on. It is a shame the prosecution in the OJ case didn't notice that before the trial was over.

The defense wants us to believe Pistorius got out of bed with the lights off, didn't notice Reeva not in the bed next to him. Went out onto the balcony through a sliding glass door to get a fan, stumping his way along with his blades off, picking it up and stumping his way back into the bedroom. If it were hot in the room that he woke up and wanted the fan, he probably was up for a bit before deciding to get the fan. With his money, he should have had air conditioning. But anyway, still he doesn't notice Reeva isn't in the bed, or how about not noticing her getting up to use the bathroom while he got up and got the fan. I mean, it was a sliding glass door and his handicap isn't blindness or deafness. So then suddenly his hearing comes back and he hears a noise in the bathroom and he thinks - OMG - a burglar has broken in to steal my bath soap and oils collection! Seriously?! I wonder if the lights were on in the bathroom, I bet they were! He says his first thoughts were he had to protect Reeva and himself, but he doesn't take a moment to find out where Reeva is? He gets his gun that is either on the floor on on the nightstand on his side of the bed - still not noticing if Reeva is in the bed or not. He says because the lights are out, he can't see something as large as a women in the dark, but he can find a pistol?! Then, in his own words, he screams at the "intruder" to get out of his house, then for Reeva to call the police. Then he begins shooting because he is so afraid.

I could believe a person waking up from a dead sleep hearing someone in the home freaking out, but it is harder to believe when someone is already awake and especially when the supposed intruder is in the bathroom (and I'm fairly certain with the lights on) and your girlfriend is spending the night in the bed next to you.

I just hope the prosecution isn't so fumbling as were OJ's. Just present the facts. Pistorius' story does not add up. It is as simple as that.

Why can douglas oates say "honkie" but if I say "the N word" it gets scrambled?

What makes me so upset about this whole story is that he doesn't even have the decency to be a man and own up to the truth of what he did. He's made up a lie to cover the fact that he killed his girlfriend. He's playing his handicap as a sympathy card by saying he felt vunerable because he didn't have his legs on when he decided to shoot thru the door. If you know someone is sleeping over at your house and you hear a suspicious noise coming from the toilet room, wouldn't you first check to see if it's your girlfriend by looking in the bed which is where he had to walk past in order to get to the bathroom? So instead of checking to see if maybe it could be his girlfriend by looking quickly in the bed, he gets his gun which was probably in his bedside table drawer and crawls across the floor to the bathroom and then proceeds to shoot thru the door without ever having said," I've got a gun aimed at the door, who is in the bathroom toilet?" Or how about the first time she screamed from having him shoot thru the door he would have stopped shooting? This guy is a scum bag! His story is a fabrication and he needs to be put in jail!

@Co - Because douglas is either a racist or a troll wanting to stir things up. Wanting to use a like word back in retaliation, though, puts you at their level and it is ultimately, what douglas is seeking.

@midwest - That's the thing. He says because the room was dark, he could not see if his girlfriend was in the bed or not. His gun was either on the floor under the bed or on the nightstand. The holster was found on the nightstand on his side of the bed. The head of the bed was against the wall and he would have had to walk (or stump) from the foot of the bed, to the head of the bed to get the gun and then back along the bed to get to the bathroom area. In all that time he did not see if his girlfriend in the bed. Then he screams for the intruder to leave and for his girlfriend to call the police. If he did that, wouldn't you think she would have said something before he began to shoot? But after he shoots off his gun, his blindness is gone and now he can see that his girlfriend is not in the bed, in that same dark room and from 22 feet away when he couldn't see her at 2 feet before.

Now the defense is using the distance thing on witnesses who say they heard a fight in their home. What about the seeing thing in the dark for the prosecution?

The point is, you dont know that they are just thieves. If a guy just takes my tv, sure that sucks, but Ill get over it. But I dont know that in his rumblings, that he may run into one of my family members and kill them out of fear or evil or whatever. That is why if they are in your house, you are allowed to kill them. You dont know if they'll just whip a gun out and start shooting at you the minute they see you.

Look, this is all fair enough, I don't think anyone would suggest you should allow yourself or your family to be put at risk. Not anyone reasonable, anyway. However, it seems to me like it isn't too much to ask that you could point your gun at someone, tell them to get the f out (or get on the floor and lay still , or whatever) and then shoot them if they don't comply and make a move towards you or as if they're pulling a gun/knife. You still have the upper hand, your gun is pointed at them. Personally, I would find it very hard to live with shooting someone, I could only do it if I felt I had to.

There is actually a pretty simple test to see if Pistorius was wearing his blades or not when he fired into the bathroom and which will also show exactly where he was aiming at. you take some long sticks (you don't really need the sticks today because computer imaging can do all of this) and stick them through the holes. The angle of the holes will tell you exactly where the shots were aimed at

Problem is he broke the door down afterwards, so is what's left in any condition where they can do this?

@Rob8o-numbers - If they can put jet airliners back together after a crash and determine the cause, I'm sure a broken down door would be no problem.

@Khan: that comment about a burglar breaking in to steal bath soap and oils collection is too funny!

Meanwhile that burglar/intruder had to be one hell of a Ninja to get past security guards at the entrance or over the electrified wire on the high brick walls of this "gated community". Unless security was asleep? And is that gated community constantly broken into and under siege 24/7 by burglars that Pistorius felt "terror"?

If they can put jet airliners back together after a crash and determine the cause, I'm sure a broken down door would be no problem.

I don't think they'd be able to put it back together to a state where it's fully rebuilt, just roughly rebuilt? Wood can splinter into so many different/small pieces when you smash it repeatedly. It really depends on just how much he broke it down.

American girl - go back and read what I wrote. I was not referring to this woman, I was referring to people who break into your home. I believe we are on the same page.

@Rob8o - even if they couldn't get it fully together, I can't see all of the areas where the bullet holes went through the door being damaged. Even if they were, they could tell by the gunpowder residue where the bullet holes where and by measuring, they could tell if he was wearing his blades or not. If they are at a normal height of someone standing, then he is lying, unless you think he fired with his arm raised way above his head to make it look like he was standing and why do that if you want people to think your sitting on the ground legless?

If this is murder, and I think it is, he should go to jail. If he is telling the truth about all this, I still think he should go to jail just for being a dumb-azz!

I just do not think these are all such cut and dry situations. Coming from an armed household, I agree that an intruder forfeits their right to due process when they break into and enter my home. However, I am not going to shoot first ask questions later. I hope that I have received enough training with my firearm to feel in control and take that extra few seconds to assess the situation. (I used the word "hope".)Family members get shot because they tried to get into the house after not finding their keys, or teen kids who snuck out for a party and are trying to get back in without their parents knowing. Drunk co-eds tumble into the window of the wrong house thinking it is the boyfriend's or girlfriend's house. In any of these mistaken identity situations, I do not think the home owner should be prosecuted for taking actions inside their home when they honestly believed they were protecting it. But, everyone out there that is saying shoot them! To hell with them they deserve it! Really? I hope to hell I am never ever in the situation. And, granted, it does appear I am in the minority on this one, but I wouldn't want to live with the knowledge that I took a life that never intended any harm to anyone. Just one opinion.

BreakingWindDance is correct. Locked doors are merely a nuisance to an intruder who intends to do harm. Someone entering your home through an unlocked door without your permission is still unlawful entry. Permissive tolerance to burglary is just another uncivilized way to exist. Our approach to crime and punishment is ridiculous between violent and nonviolent offenses. Whether or not punishment is a deterrent to crime is debatable, but a violent criminal in prison is not able to hurt those not in the prison.

When I still lived in California, my coworker had her home burglarized. The investigating officer told us that criminals who claim they are trying to obtain money for the purchase of drugs for their addiction are now first sent to treatment instead of prison. Apparently the same laws don't apply to addicts as sober criminals.

Windancersong it is not justice to murder someone simply for trying to steal from your home. You have a right to defend yourself which means telling someone to freeze or you will shoot not simply shooting someone for being in your home. I guess common sense and decency is beyond you.

ur correct peter, but just look at the long comment and rant windancer puts on here.................too much bull from one persons lips for me.

winddance....

nice post except that his live in girlfriend wasn't an intruder....It's up to the court to believe Pistorius' story that he thought she was an intruder...sounds fishy to me. Wonder if they tested him for performance enhancing drugs and other illegal drugs since he sounded irrational and paranoid moping around in the dark with a gun trying to shoot a supposed intruder holed up in a toilet...why not put the lights on? Why not tell your girlfriend (supposedly asleep in bed in the pitch dark) to call police while you investigate the bathroom with your gun and lights on so you can see what/who you're dealing with?

And if I was an intruder, I certainly wound't hide in the toilet...NO where to run!

If someone "just wants to steal from your home", they'd likely do that when you're not home. If someone breaks into your home when you are there, you should shoot them. The obligation of establishing intent is not on the resident, it is established by the intruder when they break in.

peter-2718245,

And when you say freeze, what is to say the guy wont whip around and shoot you or your family. Thinking through these things would make it so you dont appear so bone headed.

lilmorts

"And when I say "criminals", I think we all know what kind of people of which I am referring. Feel free to fill in the blank if you'd like...."

Dude, Do us all a favor. Go puke in your head on you own time. And while you're doing that, go "F" yourself!! Oh, and while you're "Fing" youreself, STFU!!!!! Racist clown!!

douglas, you're an idiot.....

CJ- I never implied anything..... Maybe you have some demons of your own you need to deal with......

Besides, I see you calling me a bunch of names, but I don't see you calling me a liar. Everyone has an opinion but no one here is saying I'm wrong. Feel free to look up some St. Louis news and tell me I'm wrong.... Just saying......

Pistorius claims that he couldn't see if Reeva was in bed because the lights were off. Although, he could find his gun in the same dark room next to that same bed. Then later, after the shooting and from a greater distance, he says that he could suddenly see that Reeva was not in the bed. That's his story.

I agree Khan, wouldn't you think the first thing he would have done after "hearing a noise in the bathroom" is realize she wasn't in bed next to him? The story definitely sounds fishy.....

I have a really simple question that the prosecution needs to make this guy answer. If he didn't know the status of his girlfriend; was filled with "fear"; and thought an intruder was locked in the bathroom; why wouldn't he fear that she was a hostage in the bathroom with the intruder? Why didn't he first establish where she was. That's sure what I would have done if it was my beloved wife. Her whereabouts would have been the most important thing to me. Even to the point of negotiating her release from that locked bathroom. Until I hear different, I think this cretin is lying through his teeth. He's a bona-fide psycho/sicko IMO.

I agree Khan, wouldn't you think the first thing he would have done after "hearing a noise in the bathroom" is realize she wasn't in bed next to him? The story definitely sounds fishy.....

He says she must have got out of bed to go to the bathroom while he was out on the balcony. He doesn't say he heard a noise and THEN got out of bed.

Johnny B is right though, I can't believe that he wouldn't know or hadn't verified that she wasn't still in bed to make sure it either wasn't her, or that she hadn't been dragged in there. Just doesn't make sense to me.

Thank you. And why would he keep shooting if he heard a woman scream like the neighbors did?

I think he wanted to finish the job. I'm sick about this.

Who shoots at something they can't see? I thought that was the #1 cardinal rule of gun ownership. And not just once, but four times? Sorry!

Did you even read the story? Clearly not.

So this POS is being helped by his "high profile" lawyers. I hope the scum gets a death penalty or is sent to Saudi Arabia for eternity.

Frankly, he's guilty of murder in my book. Doesn't matter if was surprised or scared. He shot someone he couldn't even see through a door. That's murder to me regardless of intent.

All this talk of possible burglars and how people that break into others homes deserve to be shot, etc is crap!!! There was NO BURGLAR!!! So to discuss this as if there had been is a waste of time. This is what Pistorius claims but if you think through his claim you quickly realize his story is BS! He killed his girlfriend! He doesn't get a pass because "he thought" it "might" be a burglar. He had NO RIGHT to blindly shoot through a closed door. There is absolutely no justification for what he did and all you Rambo types out there are a screwed up lot!!! He had no right to blindly shoot through that closed door. A real man would have checked to see if his g/f was still in the bed. But the little liar/loser didn't do that, did he? No, he went into Rambo mode and now he needs to pay the price!

You did rush to judgement just by giving so much leway considering the massive amount of evidence even in the preliminaries.

Even if he believed it was an intruder, its still not self defense, considering there was somebody already in the house and their security would be paramount. So, in the best he's a reckless idiot and its manslaughter, in the worse case, its premeditated murder.

if he was so concerned for his safety and his GF's why did he go to bed and leave the sliding glass door open and why wasn't there safety bars on his bathroom window.....also why wouldn't he call out to his GF 1st to make sure she wasn't the one in the bathroom and why would his GF have had the bathroom door locked if she wasn't in there from fear of him.....I'm married but when I was with my BF and had to use the bathroom I would shut the door but never locked it....why..why...why????

His story just doesn't add up and now the neighbor's are saying about the non-stop arguing going on....c'mon man....if he is smart he will plead out!!!

Yes. Because middle-of-the-night intruders/burglars always lock themselves in bathrooms and wait quietly until you happen to wake up, then they make noise/sounds so that you will hear them in there, even though they could have silently done whatever they wanted for as long as they wanted while you were sleeping. Yes.

How did this so-called intruder make it all the way to the upstairs bathroom, past the guard at the gate and a home security system, past Oscar and Reeva, without anyone seeing or hearing anything?

Witnesses heard shouting as the couple was arguing and called the police...yet no one noticed an intruder?

Was there evidence of a forced entry?

Why would a burglar hide in a locked bathroom? Oscar claims he was unaware of an intruder until he heard a sound from the bathroom. Wouldn't a burglar take what he wanted from the ground floor and get out? Would he stop to take a pee or look for an aspirin in the medicine cabinet?

There WAS no intruder. Oscar knew there was no one in the house but him and Reeva. He shot her and then realized he had to come up with a motive fast. His story leaks like a sieve.

Sounds are supposed to come from bathrooms! People fart loudly and worse in the can. Why would a burglar come in his bathroom, lock the door and use it?! This stuff is too weird to even imagine. It's like he just pulled the first thing he thought of out of his a.s.s!

Granted, it must have been a real pain to come up with a story that could account for all of this. And someone mentioned a love note from his girlfriend the night before as being evidence that she still loved him. Not necessarily. Sometimes when a woman wants to break up with a man who she knows is bipolar or violent, she will "act as if" until she is ready to make the break. Breaking up with such a person is the riskiest part of the relationship. Sometimes guys go ballistic and kill the woman--it's not all that uncommon. I think it's part of some testosterone-fueled instinctive reaction from our evolutionary past.

they outlawed jury trials in 1969 in Pistorius's area.

anyonymous - are you being serious? I am far too lazy to research it myself.

The police and prosecution have made an excellent case so far. His story is a totally contrived.She fled to the far away bath room,and was not in the one attached to the bedroom they shared.Why shoot through a door with out warning ? Why be scared of a burglar in a heavily gated community?Why keep firing,and the bloody base ball bat ? The man has problems,and with his prestige in South Africa I'm sure the law would be careful of going this far without a strong basis for conviction.

This is plain old MURDER. Just like casey anthoney. Pretty people need to be accountable

jac666,

"anyonymous - are you being serious? I am far too lazy to research it myself."

No, jac666. Anonymous is correct. I heard that on the PBS Newshour last night. They don't have juries in South Africa. They were done away with under the Apartheid government.

Dude, We are not saying he was in the right and defending himself. We were (mostly) responding to the idiot who posted that you should not be able to defend yourself until you are attacked. From what I've read, he murdered this poor woman. I don't care if he was in the Olympics or how many feet he has. It he did what is seems he did, hang him.

I am waiting for more evidence, Larry. Witnesses can be wrong sometimes.

A little boy put the wrong guy in jail.
http://www.wkyc.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=135414

A best friend put his buddy in prison.
http://crime.about.com/od/deathrow/a/matthews.htm

Both incarcerated on witness testimony. Both exonerated by DNA.

In a group setting, witnesses make even bigger mistakes.
I, personally, am not saying he did or didn't do anything. But, I am not willing to scream for his head on a pike either.

I hear you Dave, but the examples you cite are both apples and oranges to this case. There is no question who was in the house, and who the witnesses heard during the crime. Again, if you have experience in similar murder investigations, you will understand the true "red flags" in this situation. There are far too many in this case to indicate anything but murder. There is just no reasoning with a crazy person, and this will prevent Oscar from explaining this one away. The one I find impossible to explain is how he would know anyone was sitting on the toilet without hearing them scream, talk, pee, etc. If you were a criminal trying to evade being shot in that space, you would most likely stand on the toilet tank.

What do you mean you dealt with this situation? You killed a hot chick in your bathroom too?

The spammer deleted his commment, so mine is no longer necessary.

It's all in the eye of the beholder douglas oates... I feel the same way about a-holes such as yourself... but that is just me;) I'm sure someone out there thinks you are hot.

75% of "eyewitnesses" are wrong. Look it up.

Dude - That is just wrong! But it is the middle of the night - or early AM. Scotch does that to people!! LOL

Tragic story, but great play on words Russell....

I really don`t think he has a leg to stand on.

Indymaverick That's hilarious!!! LOL!

You're a sick pup, Russell. I think his pederorius wouldn't get erectorius so he decided to use one (or more) of his stumpolius's on her. She probably was highly offended by this rude action, especially since it was Valentine's Day for crying-out-loud, so she beat him over his headolius with the cricket bat. The rest, as they say, is history.

Nick - Really - Hey, I think there is a guy trying to take a dump in our bathroom. Hey, honey are you in there? Oh, I am so terrified!!! I think I will unload my gun into the crapper!! Seriously - this is his defense??

You guys are way off base. Most investigations of intruders indicate that 99.99% of the time they need to use the bathroom while they are in the home, and 99.999% of the time they are shy and lock the bathroom door.

Nick Knight,

Exactly, and if an intruder is holed up and locked in a toilet room, then all you need to do is call the cops, turn the lights on, point the gun at the door and when/if he walks out, you can hold him there at gunpoint until the cops arrive. Pistorius' story is full of holes...

Yeah, that story about him thinking a burglar was on the crapper is full of $#!t.

Who needs legs when you have looks and fame! you can get away with MURDER!!

Here's hoping none of your family members goes to the bathroom in the middle of the night.

Been there Viper and agree 100%, never again, I am prepared.

And I do. As do my kids and anyone else who would have contact with them.

He hit his target so you must no how to use it.

Will, One of the big problems is that so many people are afraid of guns. They are tools (the guns, not the anti guys) - which definitely have the potential to be deadly. If kids are taught gun safety, accidental shootings would diminish. As far as crazy people and/or scum bags - they will always find ways to hurt or kill people. They do not pay a lot of attention to laws. I am pretty sure there is a law that says it is illegal to kill people - with or without guns.

Exactly Josh. I can't believe how many people say he "can't handle a gun properly." He handled the gun perfectly and did exactly what he wanted to do with it.

It is not hard to use a gun. Any kid can accidentally shoot their sibling or friend. The idea he "can't handle a gun properly" is meaningless.

Duplicated post.

jac666 is wrong. Those people are tools.

Really the point here isn't so much the gun. It's the idea that, if the last time you saw a person before going to sleep was in the bed next to you, then when you wake up and hear a noise in the bathroom, your first instinct would be to check the other side of the bed first. Period.

He just fired a few warning shots through her chest and her head.

viper - that is crazy - or am I missing something? I mean, are they incapable of putting together a jury?

When he goes to prison they'll give him death by bunga-bunga.

exactly..I said the same thing about the bathroom door and she went into the single bathroom NOT The one connected to the bedroom where they slept all the more telling....I can't even imagine what was going through her mind when he shot her through the door......what a coward!!!

No death penalty there.

Eggsactly! Intruders are generally poor communicators.

Pist-he-is can't be anymore guilty by the early evidence. I hope his Olympic status doesn't sway the judicial system in South Africa. Prayers for Reeva and her parents. What a tragedy, no family should endure.

Off-topic:

Gzimm really? You have the street smarts of a blindfolded sissy at a wiener roast.

Below is how I interpreted your post to accommodate your belief system concerning crime.

/sarcasm

1. Armed Security guards (clowns) NEVER commit "in-side" or ANY other type of crimes.

2. Gated communities are "better" than anywhere else to live.

3. Nobody is cunning and/or brave enough to bypass top security methods such as barbed wire to commit crime in an upscale community in a vastly poverty stricken country! /sarcasm off

Point of clarity... was the clown reference also sarcasm?

Yes, excluding the clowns who actually commit crimes while working as security. (No offense to the real clown community intended)

No clowns were harmed in the making of these posts, and all typing was done under the supervision of the National Clown Safety Adminsitration.

Do not want to appear impolite, but how much do you know about crime in South Africa?

Firstly, criminals would very likely go in through the bathroom, because there would not be a burglar guard between the bathroom and bedroom.

Criminals there actually want to get at the home owners. They can torture them for fun and pin numbers and to open safes and then kill them.

If half a dozen criminals enter your home and they have guns and pangas (what they use to cut sugar cane), you have no chance if you wait to find out who they are.

I am not South African but lived there and fortunately came back to my country before the trouble started.

They like to rape white women with broken beer or wine bottles. Then they disembowel them and often gouge their eyes out.

Babies they usually rape, wrap up in a newspaper and set them alight or put them in an oven.

My best friend was a gentle soul, she died of natural causes but when she was alive, she kept a gun on a shelf above her head and her bedroom door locked with a burglar gate across her front door, in a two bed aprtment on the 15th floor!

I do not know whether Pistorius is innocent or guilty, if he was innocent, he would have feared for Reeva and what intruders could do.

Please do not think that South Africa is the US. It is not!

Skylight - Amen to that. If you do not, or have not lived in South Africa you have no idea of the fear the people live in. I only want to say, before leaving a comment, READ the article because most of the comments given are NOT what is clearly written. And why the foul language, does that make you feel stronger? My prayers are with BOTH Reeva's family AND Oscar. May God help them throught this difficult time. (Oh I know that the strong ones will be having a field day with my faith, but go for it :) )

Interesting take, and a good post.

@Sue@SA:

Your "faith" has nothing to do with it. It's your predisposition about the naked, paranoid fears that some people of SA carry with them. Those fears exist because of the state of naked terrorism (Apartheid) they imposed on a massive majority native population who yanked their freedom from them. And now they are governed by that majority and the progressive elements in their culture who are despaerately trying to find a compatible equilibrium. And they will IMO. But the people who barricade themselves within their fears & guilt, along with those seeking vindication from the oppressed side need to be addressed. Otherwise you will always have horrific crimes from within on both sides, (like Pistorius). Where the criminal attempts to hide his crime by projecting images of heinous acts from the dark side of people's fears.

You're just arguing from one side. That is what you seem to be just glossing over with your comment about faith.

@Skylight:

I don't believe a single word you said. They are nothing but inflammatory words of raw naked hatred. And they add nothing to the article about the Pistorius crime except the negative message; people please understand this poor soul. He thought she was an invading ravenous n.i.g.g.e.r.! In fact I believe you are nothing more than an American racist, bigot. Doing nothing but stoking white hostility, anger, fear and delusional paranoia. I don't believe you spent one hour in SA. But I bet you have spent many a day in Texas, Mississippi, Georgia, Louisiana, Alabama or Arkansas, underneath KKK hoods in stoking the kind of terrorism you describe in SA. All against American minorities in the USA. Because that is what they have to guard themselves against from people like you.

Your comment and and language disgust me. You're as big a Creep as Pistorius!

@ JohnnyB-433715 - What a pity that you have so much hate cropped inside you. When I refer to the people of South Africa living in fear, I refer to ALL - Black, White, Indian, .....etc.) Everyone is a target. To address your comment on Skylight's posting, that posting describes South Africa. There is just one question I am asking myself, where does Skylight refer to a particular ethnicity?

@Sue@SA:

Hate has nothing to do with my comment and neither does faith in yours. I as much as said both sides were victims of this stuff. But you only read what you wanted to read. But since you asked, This should suffice. Of course you could have easily read it yourself, if you took your own blinders off.

Skylight said:

"They like to rape white women with broken beer or wine bottles. Then they disembowel them and often gouge their eyes out. Babies they usually rape, wrap up in a newspaper and set them alight or put them in an oven."

If you can't see the inflammatory racism in Skylight's comments, it's only because you share or sympathize with them. While hiding it behind your "faith". He didn't offer up a shred of evidence to support that racist garbage. He just stabbed at shock value. And you gobbled it up, hook line and sinker. The "They" on the other side did a lot worse to native South Africans under the legal umbrella of Apartheid. And a lot of that conduct still persists. I don't see you or Skylight commenting about that. So get off your high moral horse please! If you are really a person of Faith, you should be ashamed of your sympathy for comments like that. Instead of personally attcking me for exposing it. I suggest you need to examine your own "hatreds".

Walk the streets with the people who live in South Africa, then YOU can comment, I HAVE. But this argument we now have is not about Oscar's case now, is it? This MORAL HORSE is just saying - Oh BTW I just had to give you a "LIKE" on your posting, just to let you know I did READ it.

Why don't you walk the streets with even a hand full of native South Africans whose families were decimated and butchered by Apartheid. Then you can comment. I have! I am chastising you about this because of your shallow and tepid representation of just one side of the catastrophe that is SA. Along with your endorsement of SKylights's blatant racist comment above. And yes, it is indeed about Oscar's case too. Because he used the "Burglar bogeyman" to yoke the paranoid and racist fears and sympathy that persist in SA society behind those gated and electrified walls. There is no morality in what you are saying or trying to defend. Your sympathy is with a racist bigot, who made crude and racist remarks about a society to elicit hate and condescension in the USA. And you agreed with him. I just called him and your faith BS out.

I notice that you didn't even have the character to acknowledge the hate and racism implied in the Skylight quote above. I think I have you pegged just right. Faith indeed. Faith or the lack thereof has very little if anything to do with what is happening in SA or in this case.

No need to tag my writing and qualify it in the same breadth. I don't give a rats a.s.s whether you like what I say or not. The truth usually bites that way.

Johnny you not worth my time, BUT I just have to add, I did say I walked the streets with the people of South Africa, but did not mention that I am a BLACK SOUTH AFRICAN, who grew up in the Apartheid years. Back then we did not have to fear for our lives and that of our families. I do not have a problem with WHITES or any other color. I FEAR for the day my contract is over at the company I am currently at and I have to return back to South Africa. So I do understand the fear of other SOUTH AFRICANS like Oscar.

He wasn't "stupid with a gun", he is "stupid, with a gun".

Judero Summers - In Pretoria, South Africa there is an upscale GATED community Woodlands WITH electical fencing AND security guards - my friend lived there and thought it was "safe" she was attacked and RAPED in her home. This is only ONE incident I am telling you, I have more, even some involving children.....