In the US people with MONEY, seldom stay in JAIL or become CONVICTED...

Ask the Kennedys or the US Senator that KILLED a motorcycle rider. While they were driving DRUNK...

But if you a POOR, you get to STAY in JAIL, until CONVICTED...

Win ? Does their money make them so blind to not see that this is just bail hearing and the basic fact that the guy didn't bother to check who was inside the bathroom when it EASILY could've been and turned out to be his girlfriend?

@AC--- That's true. I had a heated beef with a guy one time about that. It's not equal justice for all. But sometimes it works the outher way.

It shoulds as through even the magistrate is on Oscar's side. What the cop did prior to this has nothinng

to do with this case. Funny that all of a sudden they are going to charge the cop after dropping this

before.

"That is when it dawned on me that it could have been Reeva who was in the toilet."

What "a pile of poo" ......................

How about "Reeva ... is that you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And the world is watching how another criminal gets away with murder.

lock this $HITBAG away

"We're going to win today," one relative said as the family entered the courtroom for the third day of a hearing examining whether the double-amputee should get bail.

Seems like arrogant stupidity runs in the Pistorius family.

"We're going to win today," one relative said...

Wow... it's turned into a crazy spectacle already, with old murder charges brought up against the lead detective suddenly (which looks rather fishy).

A young woman lies murdered and the Pistorius family talks about winning, not about justice.

I hope Reeva's family--and the citizens of South Africa-- will push for a fair hearing. It doesn't seem like Oscar and his family care about the truth.

"Spending the night at Pistorius' home is consistent with a loving relationship". Ah here I am, I thought I was already enlightened.

Reading paraphrased quotes or out of context quotes is always funny. However this entire case is getting to a heady zone here.

Ha! Next thing the defense attorney will tell the court, "He loved her so much he shot her."

Pistorius may very well get off scot free without any guilty verdict rendered or any punishment meted out.

At the very least, I hope his athletic career will never recover.

Nike took down their ad featuring Pistorius: "I am the bullet in the chamber."

You have to give Nike one thing... they really know how to feature athlete's personalities in their ads.

@The Lazora.
What exactly does this case have to do with the US Justice system?

You realize this happened in South Africa right?

TalkdeTalk

nearly all justice systems have a lot of English common law as their base, but I think Laz was referring more to the idea that people who have power, social class, and money pretty much do what they want and can walk when they use that power or money

this is at the very least manslaughter... but enough money is flying behind the scenes to cause 4 year old previously dropped charges to be reinstated...

in the US, NFL players cut off their wives heads, get drunk and run down working fathers, all kinds of stuff... and they walk nearly every time

poltiticians all over the world do literally everything from mass murder to bribery to rape etc. and they almost never do actual time either

this guy will almost certainly walk away on those hi tech springs, which by the way gave him a huge tech advantage in the Olympics... but money and power got him around that too....

Not true, AC. Didn't you see "A Time to Kill" with Samuel Jackson?

Can you say "OJ"???

Actually, I was thinking, "Can you say Days of Our Lives?"

I'd hate to see this guy get off on a technicality....poorly played by whatever chief knew this Botha character was getting involved, HOWEVER;

-Complaints from neighbors about constant arguments, an hour long one right before he shot her

-Bullet entry/exit points level and at shoulder height, refuting his "I was on the floor"

- A bloodied baseball bat and additional damage to her head - the sick ***k bashed her face in after he shot her

- Neighbor clearly hearing shouting, rounds being fired, and immediately noticing lights on in entire apartment

- Pistorius calls lawyer and brother to house before calling emergency services. Is this what you would do if you shot your girlfriend in the face?

Lock him up and throw away the keys. It's no coincidence some prosecutor is trying to press charges on a dead case of the detective - he's surely getting a nice amount of money from one of Pistorius' handlers.

"Why wouldn't he get bail. I know it's Africa but he'd get it here in the US"

Because he would run away really fast.............

I/m amazed how many aren't bright enough to even realize that this is taking place outside of this country.

If he's a flight risk, why not take away his legs? It's not like they care about human rights in S. Africa.

It would be hard for him to "blend" in with the general public since he would be walking on half legs, if walking at all.

It cannot be disputed that he killed her, that much cannot be denied.

If it was an "accident" then he was at least "reckless" and "negligent" in firing the gun in the first place.

I personally don't believe it was an accident, I believe it was cold blooded murder.

These types of folks who kill people and get away with reckless disregard of another person's life, usually end up doing it again or doing something else and wind up where they should have been put in the first place.

Like O.J. Simpson and Phil Spector, if they don't handle this guy now, they're going to be forced to deal with him later.

I know; Because when it comes to human rights we are the masters, with assassin drones, secret torture dungeons and innocent people released from death row daily on DNA evidence, after sitting there for years and even decades.

Jay,

Touche' I agree wholeheartedly but at least we do not engage in massacre by machete (sp?).

Someone mentioned O.J. The similarities thus far are rather uncanny.

A popular and privileged athlete. A beautiful wife. A troubed relationship. A gruesome murder. Overwhelming physical evidence. A rush to judgment. A media circus. The questionable integrity of the lead investigating officer. An apparently star-struck magistrate.

Next up...a 'dream team' of defense attorneys, an over-confident prosecutorioal team, a poor choice of venue and an even worse choice of jurors, the defendant portrayed as victim, the victim portrayed as...

Well,you get the picture.

The net result? A prolonged trial, an unsatisfactory verdict all around, and in the end, perhaps years down the road, karma for Pistorious.

This script has already been written. Cue Nancy Grace.

Why wouldn't he get bail? Attempted murder charges. Simple.

Snoop

Not attempted, she died. Have you seen the house she was killed in? He and his family have alot of money, which means he will not go to jail. Why would the lead detective have charges reinstated the day before the bail verdict? Because they are all corrupt.

You have a backward country like South Africa, and high dollar lawyers from the states representing O.P. They will find every loop hole in the world to get him off. And the poor gal who's career is over and who loved him will fall by the wayside and be forgotten for forever.

Because it is not about her anymore, it about O.P. the Blade Runner with millions of dollars now. Sad

I concur with you 'Bet.

It's now all about a national hero, the honor of SA, and big bucks already in off-shore accounts.

I still believe this is "If I can't have you, no one can" situation. She was a star on the rise and he was jealous. Simple as that. This clown needs to be executed, but as mentioned above, he can afford a "Dream Team" nest of attornies so its just a stupid game of who can outwit the other. The law has nothing to do with "the Law" anymore.

Sometime I wish that these "big news" cases were heard behind closed doors with a gag order on all information. That way the person is tried on the facts not public opinion.

That said, Oscar should try out for the South African shooting team for the next olympics, because he can apparently shoot, in the dark, while scared, without his legs on, through a locked door with such accuracy that all the shots hit the target who I'm sure was trying to evade the bullets.

I understand that breakins are a huge problem in South Africa, and many people sleep with a gun next to them for safety, but the question I have is: he said that he went and closed a door. without his legs on? and then instead of calling an ambulance called friends?

Because in the US, if you get bail flee one state to another, they can easily get you back. It's not like you are going to swim to China.

In Africa, how are they gonna get him back if he hops on a bus to the Congo? Or get's "lost" in Algeria? Africa is a continent made up of many countries, Africa is not a country made up of many states.

ASureBet - what do you mean "high dollar lawyers from the states representing O.P." ?? Lead counsel is from South Africa?

One killer calling another killer a crook. That's funny.

So let me get this straight, his girlfriend was over and in the bathroom and had locked the door, why did she lock the door? because he was probably acting crazy and then became murderous.

But lets look at what he says.. He is suggesting a prowler... broke into his house where people are obviously home and locked himself in the bathroom... we have a lot of crime in the US, a lot of idiots and a lot of druggies, and none that i hear of lock themselves in the bathroom, they all try to get out ASAP.

But just the simple fact, his girlfriend was over... someone is in the bathroom, it must be my girlfriend. And the reason laws exist is to keep order... in this case to keep crazy people off the street.. if we let him go and he cant do simple reasoning, then next time is... huh, they didnt take the onions off my burger, they must be trying to kill me, and then opens fire.

Oh and it also states he "accidently fired at a resteraunt" sometime before this all happened. HOW THE HELL DO YOU ACCIDENTLY FIRE AT A RESTERAUNT??

This guy is sick and a danger to people around him, put him away

This story is getting way too much coverage.

"We're going to win," one relative said as the family entered the courtroom at the start of the third day of a hearing examining whether the double-amputee should get bail. The sprinter is accused of the premeditated murder of model Reeva Steenkamp, 29.

"We're going in the right direction," one of Pistorius' uncles added.

it is my opinion that humans everywhere should stay far away from this family....apparently winning is all that matters, even if it means taking a life to prove you can win. Scary family even if he is innocent its like they only want to win...and have no empathy for the dead woman except maybe to get a photo op.

TO: marywhatever who wrote:

"Why wouldn't he get bail. I know it's Africa but he'd get it here in the US."

He "wouldn't get bail" because he killed somebody.

Here in the United States accused murderers usually are NOT allowed to bail out because the nature of the crime is so henous, and the punishment is so severe, there is a serious risk of "flight".

Obviously we no longer need trials or juries. We can just have the "evidence" put forward by the media and the court of public opinion can take care of the rest.

Honestly, half of you people are @!$%#ing fruit-cases. Surely you can't be stupid enough to believe the media is presenting a balanced account of the evidence. Anyone who decides this guys guilt or innocence based upon what they've seen on the news is in need of some SERIOUS help!

roadlesstraveled

it is my opinion that humans everywhere should stay far away from this family....apparently winning is all that matters, even if it means taking a life to prove you can win. Scary family even if he is innocent its like they only want to win...and have no empathy for the dead woman except maybe to get a photo op.

Give me a break. If someone in your family was falsely accused of murder (I'll just assume that is their belief) and faced life in prison if they lose their case I seriously doubt you'd be interested in much else besides your relative "winning". And as far as their "empathy" for the dead woman do you always just pull pure speculation right out of your ass and then use it to criticize people?? You have no friggin clue how they feel about her or what happened.

You lot can bitch as much as you want because you probably only took a vague interest in OP while he was doing well because he's not American. Oscar is not a psychopath. He is showing emotion, he's totally distraught and it shows on his face. Other than your pathetic claims that he killed her out of jealousy, he had no motive to kill her - he is least of all not an insecure person to do such a thing on purpose. It may just be the truth that he went into a panic (just as I would if I heard a strange noise in my house) because it is a common crime here, he lost it and just shot, just as I would if I am as vulnerable as he is. I sincerely hope that he will meet with Reeva's family one day and talk it out.

the ballistics will either support his story, or poke it full of lies. having found 3 bullet casings in the bathroom, makes his story of only shooting through a locked door? a blatant lie.

Maybe his family's money can buy OP a private cell and shower in the local prison.

"The lead detective investigating the killing of the Olympian's girlfriend was removed from the case amid attempted murder charges of his own. Charges against him were originally withdrawn but reinstated on Wednesday at the behest of the state prosecutor."

"An unidentified woman addressed the court, saying she wanted Pistorius' mental health to be examined."

"The magistrate asked Botha why he had given evidence in English rather than his first language."

I want to know in what language was the question asked? Most people answer in the same language if they know both.

"There was a brief adjournment because of an unspecified "threat" to the court building."

These things sound like a bit of money has been tossed around to disrupt the prosecution.

The thing that sticks most in my mind is Pistorius saying his first thought after going into a state of terror was that he had to protect Reeva and himself after coming back into the bedroom from the balcony to get a fan and hearing someone in the bathroom. His gun is either under the bed or at the nightstand at the head of the bed. The empty holster was located on the nightstand. from the diagrams of his room I've seen, he would have had to move from the foot of the bed, to the head of the bed, get his gun only 2 or 3 feet from where Reeva would have been in bed sleeping, then head back along the bed to the foot of the bed again all the time within 2 or 3 feet of where his girlfriend would have been. He says because it was dark, he couldn't see if she were there or not, but he could find his gun, take it out of the holster and place that empty holster on the nightstand easy enough.

People have said that this is like someone shooting a family member in the home, but those confrontations involve a sudden running into an actual person. Not someone closed in a bathroom and I cannot see the light not being on in the bathroom if she is using it. He had so much time to reason it through that hey, maybe that's Reeva in there. Or was he thinking, good, Reeva is in the bathroom, now is my chance!

So he gets to the bathroom door and yells, "Get out of my house! Reeva, call the police!" That's what his testimony says. Don't you think Reeva may have answered him or said something, she's awake, she's right there behind the same door he's aiming a gun at, she has to know how close he is. Don't you think she would have answered?

Then he open fires on the door. Then he looks to the bed and from 22 or so feet away, after the gun fire and blinding muzzle flashes, he can see in that dark bedroom that Reeva isn't in bed when he couldn't see her in that same bed from only 2 or 3 feet away.

If he is innocent, people like him who panic over just a noise and begin firing at anything and everything without first making sure of what or who their target is should not be allowed to own guns.

Someone said because he was crying and broken up about Reeva's death is a sign of his innocence. Let's take this headline:

"Breivik cries in court, claims murder of 77 'self-defense'"

Obviously Breivik must be innocent because he is showing such emotion in court and he must have had to defend himself from those 77 people with lethal force.

Many killers cry in court, especially if it is their first murder. It is a very emotional event in their life. But most of them are not crying for their victims, they are crying for them self.

I Hodgson. In America our motto is" Don't shoot until you see the whites of their eyes." That would have ended this situation in a better way. If you are such a coward that you shoot through a locked door, instead of calling the cops, as you stand safely on the other side holding your gun, you should not have a gun. Grow a pair or hide under the bed before you shoot your own children.

The guy is a lying little puke and murderer. His story is more full of holes than his unfortunate victim. He has a history of flying off the handle, constant with the alleged events. Lockem up Danno.

IF he is released on bail, his passport, and every gun he ever owned, should be taken from him. Hate to sound cold hearted, but in his case, they couldn't force him to wear an ankle monitor, so how else would they keep track of his whereabouts?

Should he be released on bail, he will definitely be in fear for his life, since he would not be allowed to have any weapons, or a passport. In his physical condition, if they took away his prosthesis, he would be unable to flee to anywhere, without his family aiding and abbetting him. He's better off to sit in jail, and await his fate, if he is truly innocent of PREMEDITATED, then he has nothing to worry about, except a Manslaughter charge. He is just safer, in jail, than out. A young woman is dead, for no reason, and her life was just beginning. He took that life from her (regardless of his reasons, his mental state, etc.) and he deserves to have his freedoms taken from him. Period. If I were Nike, or any of the other sponsors, I wouldn't hold my breath, about him returning to the Running Circuit.

When the prosecutor asked that Pistorius be denied bail because he is a flight risk, his family laughed out loud in the courtroom. They contend that he is too famous to flee and hide.

But Pistorius seems to be quite capable of acting rashly if he would (as he claims) shoot through a locked door, not knowing who is on the other side.

Reeva Steenkamp is dead because Oscar Pistorius shot her, multiple times. That much is not in dispute.

If he gets off, his next girlfriend (and there will be one, we can be sure of that) might want to wear kevlar to bed.

This case is great drama. It's better than a Hollywood Reality Show. The Kardashians have nothing on this Oscar & Reeva show. I wish this had occured in the US, we'd have up to the minute media coverage of the antics in the Kangaroo Court. What a cast and score of sex, guns, beauty queens, jocks, and national heros. This is more fun than Will & Kate could ever be.

kaybeetoys

When the prosecutor asked that Pistorius be denied bail because he is a flight risk, his family laughed out loud in the courtroom.

And if you look at the transcript you'll note that the judge managed choke back his laughter. What was your point exactly? Are you suggesting the actions of his family somehow elude to his possible guilt??

If some of you folks had to go through life making decisions based on fact, without allowing emotion to rule you, I'm not sure some of you would know how what to do.

Backcountry164

Obviously we no longer need trials or juries. We can just have the "evidence" put forward by the media and the court of public opinion can take care of the rest.

Honestly, half of you people are @!$%#ing fruit-cases. Surely you can't be stupid enough to believe the media is presenting a balanced account of the evidence. Anyone who decides this guys guilt or innocence based upon what they've seen on the news is in need of some SERIOUS help!

Wow I am going to have to mark this day on my calendar, Backcountry 164 for once I am in complete agreement with you.I am amazed that people think the US controls the justice system in South Africa, and that Pestorius will be getting US attorneys, they wouldn't even have jurisdiction to practice criminal law in South Africa. Some posters even seem to think the US has control over South African law.

kofybean

Because in the US, if you get bail flee one state to another, they can easily get you back. It's not like you are going to swim to China.

In Africa, how are they gonna get him back if he hops on a bus to the Congo? Or get's "lost" in Algeria? Africa is a continent made up of many countries, Africa is not a country made up of many states.

You really have no clue at all, do you? There is no bus from South Africa to the Congo, he would have to pass through several international border crossings, some that would be very dangerous.

The only way he could flee the country would be by plane, Botswana would not protect him or grant him asylum, neither would Mozambique, Zimbabwe or Namibia, Lesotho and Swaziland are both encompassed by South Africa. There is a good likelihood he would be killed in most of these countries.

MSNBCMFE,

Let me save myself an enormous amount of key strokes and just say 'DITO' & 'AMEN'!!!

he'll walk...

And if you look at the transcript you'll note that the judge managed choke back his laughter. What was your point exactly? Are you suggesting the actions of his family somehow elude to his possible guilt??

What would your reaction be if someone you loved were shot dead, and the defendant's family was laughing in court only days later regarding bail? And then the judge laughed too?

The shooting death of a young woman is no laughing matter. The judge should be ashamed of himself, laughing in front of Reeva's family. Pistorius's family just comes across as arrogant and callous.

Sorry you aren't able to see that.

If some of you folks had to go through life making decisions based on fact, without allowing emotion to rule you, I'm not sure some of you would know how what to do.

If some of you had to put two and two together, you'd come up with three. Anyone who can't see the gaping holes in Pistorius's story is blind.

You probably think OJ didn't do it because you didn't see the crime happening on video.

Only if the first bullet went into her head would OP's story add up.

Otherwise, her screams (having been shot and wounded but not killed) would have stopped the next shots, including the fatal one.

So he has a 25% chance of telling the truth.

BTY - My US neighbor is 1/4+mile away. I can clearly hear when he is shooting his weapons. But it is a little harder to hear him arguing, Unless the loud argument/party is occurring outside of his house...

that's strange...Have your try to listen on a cold quiet evening? I mean cold evening because the insect or cricket isn't chirping or buzz in the background. If you listen then, you can't hear a faint sound of people arguing when if it happens?

Actually it is summer in South Africa, but sound does travel at night. I'm assuming a gated community is especially quiet at night, so hearing someone shouting and especially gun shots at a distance wouldn't be impossible. I'm sure for the actual trial either the prosecution will create a demonstration to show it is possible or the defense will create a demonstration to show that it isn't.

This guy's just a hop, skip, and a jump from freedom!

This reeks of the OJ case, where the defense puts the detective, which was Mark Fuhrman on trial, as a diversion from the real evidence. The contamination is a red herring. There was no one in the place except the victim and Oscar.

She was shot from a point indicating he had his prosthetic legs on, which makes him a liar. This guy is as guilty as sin.

TO: MDrn who wrote:

"Actually it is summer in South Africa, but sound does travel at night. I'm assuming a gated community is especially quiet at night, so hearing someone shouting and especially gun shots at a distance wouldn't be impossible. I'm sure for the actual trial either the prosecution will create a demonstration to show it is possible or the defense will create a demonstration to show that it isn't."

Excellent point!

If they really want to get it right they could actually go out to the exact place where it all happened, and at that precise time have the witness re-enact what they heard, and how that sound traveled.

Life lesson for all:

If you are a star athlete, have millions of dollars, and fame to go with your fortune, you can kill whoever you wish...

This is a sad story no matter how you cut it. A young women is dead at the hands of a man who wants no responsibility for it.

If they let him out on bail, they better put an ankle bracelet on his....blade!

I find it very suspicious that the charges were dropped and then reinstated the moment the police arrest this dirtbag. Whatever the police officer did, he did NOT shoot an unarmed woman cowering in a bathroom.

This is nothing but a sad ploy by the defense and this guy's family. Money talks and this guy just might get away with killing this poor girl.

I had read elsewhere that the charges were actually reinstated on Feb 4, but he just now found out... that sounds fishy to me, but who knows what the truth is.

do I sense O.J. Simpson part 2 in the making??

Jazz sucks. No structure, just a bunch of sounds jumbled together that grate against each other. I'd rather listen to a jackhammer!

Leroy Brown: Just because you don't appreciate jazz doesn't realllt mean anything. Loius ARmstrong, Miles Davis. John COltrane and Charlie Parker definitely do not suck. For starters I urge you seek out the ballad Don't Blame Me by CHarlie PArker and MIles Davis. THe sax solo in it is the musical equivalent of a really bright man pondering.YOu can feel the play of his mind. So, your post says more about your lack of sophistication than it does about jazz, as you are criticizing from ignorance. Fact is our society doesn't value jazz musicians. IT takes a little bit of background to appreciate jazzt. Unlike the instant mortification of AMerican Idol - which our country does value.

RR, just because you DO appreciate jazz doesn't really mean anything either. Anyone who doesn't like jazz is ignorant?? People have different musical tastes, if you like jazz, great, enjoy it. Why do you feel the need to denigrate everyone who does not share your taste in music?

Leroy, Ronald did not call you ignorant. He said your criticizing comes from ignorance (of jazz music, presumably). He did say you have a lack of sophistication, which he deduced from your written comments. That is a valid point, after reading your written comments.

yes if we ALL liked the same music it would be a boring planet. there is enough to go around, im not so crazy about jazz either, so i just do not listen to it . to each his own !

ROFL... Leroy has just been RealityCheck'd.

Leroy, you did not get any votes from other commentors. Again, your opinions s**cks.

Ignorance of Jazz music? I know what Jazz music is and a little about it's history. Not as much as you and Ronald know, I am sure, as you seem to be jazz fans. I don't like jazz music, it's really that simple. Why am I being attacked for it? My opinion of jazz is what it is, do I need to apologize for this? I hate rap as well, is this also out of "ignorance?" I like the Canadian balladeer Gordon Lightfoot, many people can't stand him. I don't tell these people that they are "ignorant" about Lightfoot's music otherwise they would like him even though they mostly ARE rather ignorant and only know one or two of his songs. If they don't like his sound, they don't like it. Why are Jazz fans so cultish? I've noticed this before. You are not ALLOWED to not like jazz by jazz fans. You guys are so arrogant and self-righteous - or "sophisticated" as you like to call it. "Sophisticated" my eye!

Maybe Leroy just doesn't like ANY music from the darker fellas.

Leroy, try listening to Dave Brubeck with "The Edmund Fitzgerald" playing in the background.

I see, now I'm a racist because I don't like jazz! Unbelievable. Later jazzies, gotta go to work, enjoy your cult...

Why am I being attacked for it? My opinion of jazz is what it is, do I need to apologize for this?

Because you decided to tell everybody about your dislike of it. Maybe if you hadn't bothered doing that, nobody would be bothering to pick you apart for it?

Hey leroy brown, the difference between your opinions about music and a musician's opinions about music is a musicians opinions are informed. Have a nice day.

TO: leroy brown who wrote:

"Jazz sucks. No structure, just a bunch of sounds jumbled together that grate against each other. I'd rather listen to a jackhammer!"

Jazz is art, and a Jazz Musician is a creative artist.

If you would rather listen to a jackhammer than a creative expression of art, then all that means is you have little or no appreciation for the arts.

It has absolutely nothing to do with you being any kind of "Alabama porch monkey."

I love the screen name "Ronald Hussein Reagan" (Post #3.2). Offers an entirely new perspective on the man.

Wow

I was reading all the comments and forgot what the above article was about. Something about jackhammers and jazz musicians?

Hi jazzies! Ok, let's see, now there is a new criticism. Now, simply because I don't like jazz, I'm an ignorant racist who has little or no appreciation for the arts. Thank you for this latest criticism American Girl. For your information I love music and am not a bad amateur guitar player myself. I just don't like jazz. Can we assume that because I obviously have no appreciation for the arts that the music I like all sucks? Does folk music suck? Why is it so hard for you jazzies to accept that some people just don't like jazz? It's a music genre, that's all it is. I went a little overboard saying I'd rather listen to a jackhammer, that was an exaggeration, but I certainly didn't denigrate anyone who likes jazz or who doesn't like music that I like. I think you jazzies really need to take a hard look at your insane attitude towards people who don't share your love of jazz.

Would your view of matters differ if she were not objectively attractive by commercial standards? What, precisely, is the "O.J. Defense"?

Joe, thanks for saving me the time and trouble of answering to this incredible insensitivity by Pistorius family.

My way of thinking they should all share nearby jailcells until his execution. The Steenkamp family must have

gone into shock hearing the Pistorious' victory today. Maybe they felt a win today but that comment will

help the jury determine his guilt. The will to survive is strong but rage should win out.

with so much overwhelming evidence....?

I think you're wrong. I also think this guy will end up being released.

No jury.

Skyscraper is right. It's not fair that people like dolphins better than squid, either.

Dear Not so cool Joe: Stupidity is not synonomous with cool.

Your statements: A beautiful woman was brutally murdered (or maybe not murdered but killed in a horribly tragic accident)

and the Pistorious family relative says,"We're going to win today," ( as he refers to a bail hearing not the girl's death)

as the Pistorious family looks to be preparing their OJ Simpson Defense. (The OJ case has nothing to do with this one..duh.)

I was thinking he was going to plead insanity, with so much overwhelming evidence against him.

Really? Evidence? All of this so called evidence is so far, hearsay produced by the prosecutor who has now been forced to admit that his key witness who gave all that "reliable" testimony is himself an accused murderer who testified in a second language. Can we assume that he was coached to make a statement in English for all the lovely press hanging about? And was his underling's murder case opened before a reporter could drop the bomb? As likely as any of *your* presumptions.

" their sweet sweet Reeva is dead, killed by this monster" ( Ah,you know the personality and character of the victim and the actions of the accused -- all by dream therapy or are you missing YOUR meds today?

Sorry if I sound harsh but I am repulsed by all the jealous, greedy little people on this site today who throw out words that could help kill this man -- ***who is innocent until PROVED innocent.*** Check out the Innocent Project in the US. Great folks who dig to China if necessary for FACTS to save the innocent on our US death rows. And yes, a lot have been cleared by DNA. INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILT. It doesn't take a masters degree to understand that concept.

Lets all discuss jazz. at least jazz discussions don't threaten the life of someone who may be telling the truth.

Incidentally, ignorance is not bliss. Enough already.

Politico-- "Throw out words that help kill this man"?? Think about this...IF Pistorius is telling the truth: after firing ONE gunshot, hearing the subsequent screams of his girlfriend, most likely calling out for him to STOP, would have most assuredly convinced him that the person locked in the bathroom on a toilet was NOT an intruder, and would have prevented him from firing further shots into the bathroom. How many shots were fired?

You can call them Chairmen, Presidents, Czars, Pharaohs, Prime Ministers or whatever. Guess what, there has always been and there always will be Kings and there has always been and there always will be peasants. Guess what else. There has always been and will always be two sets of rules. So what's new and where's the news?

So Mrs. you just buy it lock stock and barrel that she was in fact screaming? The article just talked about how that was suspect. But here you are anyway, basing your entire opinion on it. And people wonder how the innocent get sent to jail. It's because there are jurors just like you. You can't seem to listen to the WHOLE story, you cling to one part and dismiss everything else.

No, Shellie, I am basing my logic on what people do when they're being shot at. Have you ever been shot at, Shellie?

If he gets bail..no doubt he'll commit suicide before his trial date.

His family will sue the media saying its their fault..no it wasn't..an innocent person doesn't commit suicide (in this situtation).

There is no "win" when a young woman is dead. It was in poor taste for them to use the word "win". This is not a game or a sport.

..an innocent person doesn't commit suicide (in this situtation).

No offense, and I'm not saying that Pistorius is innocent; but IF he is, he could become so distraught over accidentally shooting the woman he loved and facing a murder trial over it (and losing everything he has) that he would commit suicide. If you understand about depression and suicide, a person's mind becomes irrational and convinces them that the only logical thing for them to do is to kill themselves-they sometimes even believe it will help their families and loved ones if they do that. Guilt over deliberate murder of someone you were angry towards would hardly be the only thing that would drive someone to suicide. I would think guilt over accidental murder when you truly loved someone would be far worse.

@captn curtass...I lived in SA for 30 yrs, and there is no Juror;s in SA, the only people who are going to decide his fate is a Judge (magistrate) and 2 assistant magistrates, there is no death peanalty in SA..so he will get bail, and if he has a good lawyer will get off otherwise the moset he is looking at is 25 yrs he will probley be out in less thaN 18 YRS.

susan peterson ; majority of posters on here aren't interested in anything or anyone except Kim Kardashian type people. They even think this happened in America. They think rich people should furnish cigarettes & beer to them while they sit at home watching reality TV 24/7. Most have never been outside their zip code, but they have the answers to all the worlds problems & can solve even the most complicated crimes while while having a beer & cigarette on their way to the mall to hang with likeminded friends.

Zheng He...I am not sure what the point of your little 'holier-than-thou' diatribe is, but....

Your ignorance is showing....

What a dumb @ $ $ remark shyscraper ! He's a Killer not a good guy, and killers need to die,, Had this been my daughter this @$$ hole would all ready be dead. and what has the NRA got to do with this ? Your nothing but a Fool I bet you voted for obama too......................

The NRA is concerned primarily with keeping gun and ammunition sales up. Whatever they need to say or do to manipulate the public into arming themselves, that is what they will do.

We already have 300 million guns in the hands of our citizens. That's not good enough for the arms industry and the NRA.

Statistics, facts and logic are irrelevant to the NRA. I daresay the safety of the public is also not of concern to Wayne LaPierre and his organization.

Bottom line, it's all about $$$$$$$$$

please stick to facts not personal emotional testimony. if you believe you have them and it supports your cause- post it.

you ended your "hipness" theory on a sour note!

I like how silver has already convicted the guy with only unreliable news reports as "evidence"... WAY TO GO NANCY GRACE.

So..... what, did HANNITY tell you he was guilty?

Cat-1200657--This is true.

Exactly Cat. I thought that was an odd.. piece of evidence for the defense. Plus, if she had previously urinated and had not ingested anything since then, it could take hours before it was "full" again.

But, like that statement being odd, the whole thing is going to be odd. It's all a sham and a circus. That woman will still be dead, but that isn't the point anymore. It's about winning and losing apparently, shirking responsibility for actions, money games.. Just a joke. I'm sure the courts there are just as bad the ones here and even with as many problems we have had with juries, this one won't even be facing one.

This is no longer about what happened, but about the game, semantics, yardage, trajectories, character assassinations, and "winning".

Yeah, this is what I hate (the attitude of trying to "win" something now) -- if I killed someone accidentally by being an idiot, especially someone I loved, I wouldn't care what happens to me -- I'd take my punishment like a man. And if I got mad and did it in an act of violence I'd admit that too.

It is one thing to do something bad, but I think it is another level of bad to try to fight against the consequences and act like you didn't do it. Man up and admit it, and take punishment.

Rich and White = License to Kill.

I thought that ended in South Africa when blacks gained a majority in the government. Are you saying that black Africans living in Africa in an African country where they were until recently heavily oppressed by rich white people will give rich white people a free ride?

I hate myself for even responding where there is race comments but...

Yes J. Clarke- they would if it meant they would make money.

Remember everyone. There is only one color that matters and that is green. It'll make people do the craziest junk.

Do you think the U.S. is any better? Look at the OJ Simpson trial.

@ happy: My thoughts, too, although the first term that came to mind was clusterf**k.

You can blame LA for the OJ trial. They completely botched that one. In case you are unclear, the job of a juror is NOT to determine innocence or guilt. Even if you think you just know whomever did it deep in your gut. It is to determine if the prosecution PROVED their case beyond a reasonable doubt. LA did not. They screwed the pooch on that one.

I'm sorry I meant to say proecting his secret or just abusive period.

Try again, Jan ;)

If she were ugly would you care?

Go to another page..I find it interesting how courts systems work in favor of the rich and famous world wide.

No...you just enjoy tabloid drama. You probably believe the garbage in the National Enquirer.

"I'm sure the South Africans can handle it."

I'm not so sure they can!

I think I'm better than you, but I'm still going to post on this thread even though I disparage it.

Then why are you here?

A bad prosecution that completely botched the case goes a long way in allowing one to "walk".

An "accident" was it? I'm betting you think Zimmerman killing that scrawny kid was "self-defense" too, correct? Like they say, you just can't fix stupid...

WELL said Leroy there will be NO Justice for the victim

"WELL said"? A jump to a verdict based on nothing except what he's read in the news is "WELL said"? Talk about a perversion of the justice system. I'm betting you thought Richard Jewell was guilty, too, just because some article on MSNBC at some point said he was.

It may well turn out that Pistorius is guilty of murder. And it may turn out that despite that, he is set free. But neither of these has been determined yet. Your rush to judgment is ridiculous.

@Dan, don't think(at least on my end) it comes from what he has read, I think it comes more from what the guy said himself, it's really quite lame. If it was a different *lay out* of what happened, as far as being a *mistake* or *self defense*, it may actually be easier to *swallow the juice*....

@Dan, don't think(at least on my end) it comes from what he has read, I think it comes more from what the guy said himself, it's really quite lame. If it was a different *lay out* of what happened, as far as being a *mistake* or *self defense*, it may actually be easier to *swallow the juice*....

So you're in South Africa and either in jail with him or participating in the trial? If not then how do you know "what the guy said himself" other than by reading about it?

If my son killed someone by "accident" by being an idiot then I wouldn't stand by him, and I wouldn't expect someone to stand by me if I did that. So even if in their eyes it was an accident, they are bad people. Nothing this guy did was right, whether it was intentional or negligent. Major loser and he's obviously a danger and needs to be locked up.

@J.Clarke......News is about like gossip, even though it can be blown out of the normal, there still is a ring of truth. Now Mr. Lawyer...did HE not say HE shot her???? or am I just adding words, or better yet, the news media down there puts their own words in.

EXACTLY! EXACTLY! i thought i was the only one. how about seeing a commercial before and after every video and the same one over and over. say TV is bad. this is ridiculous. make you not even want to look at the vidio

And you've absolutely, 100% determined he's a murderer... how?

this is always the way on this discussion most of the people become vigilante's not know anything about the story. sounds like an old western.

Well Tony, when people don't use common sense it's very discouraging....we DO know HE shot her, even though Dan and J.Clarke don't want to face it.....and WE do know he has a real lame excuse for it......and ...and ...and......Now You want us to believe all we have heard is *made up*???

An old western huh....or maybe the little cartoon with the angel on one shoulder and the devil on the other...the devil won

No look, I think they want you ta actually engage your brain instead of claiming to be even remotely informed about this matter.

Dan, yes he is 100% a murderer. Even if it was a burgler, it's still murder. He had a gun, he didn't ask who was in the bathroom and shot first. Why was he so terrified with a gun in his hand? A bunch of bull is what it is. If he didn't take his girlfriends life, then he would of taken someone else's. It sounds like he was an accident waiting to happen even accidentially shooting his gun off at a restaurant.

The difference between premeditated murder and an accident.

Really? You think the timeline of what people knew and when they knew it prior to an event happening are the defining traits of culpability? That's crazy talk.