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Subscribe to RSSIt was a long and emotional week for Oscar Pistorius, who is accused of premeditated murder in the killing of his girlfriend, . Pistorius must surrender his passport and cannot return to his home, which was the scene of the shooting. NBC's Michelle Kosinski reports.
PRETORIA, South Africa -- Oscar Pistorius was granted bail Friday pending his trial for the alleged murder of his girlfriend, Reeva Steenkamp.
Olympic and Paralympic star Pistorius, dubbed the “Blade Runner,” maintains he did not realize Steenkamp was in the locked bathroom of his home in a suburb of Pretoria, South Africa, and fired through the door in a panic over a possible prowler early on Valentine's Day.
However, prosecutors say the 26-year-old committed the “premeditated murder” of Steenkamp, 29, a model and trained lawyer, who was staying overnight at his house.
On the fourth day of his bail hearing Friday, Chief Magistrate Desmond Nair told the court that he had "come to the conclusion that the accused has made a case to be granted bail."
There was a cry of "yes" from the public gallery after his decision, and his relatives embraced, cried and prayed.
In contrast to the joy of his relatives, Pistorius looked upset.
Nair spoke for more than 90 minutes prior to announcing his decision, summarizing the testimony given to the four-day hearing, citing previous cases and the relevant laws.
He said he had “difficulty” with several aspects of Pistorius’ account of what happened, talking of a number of “improbabilities.”
“I have difficulty in appreciating why the accused did not ascertain the whereabouts of his girlfriend,” Nair said. He said he also struggled to understand “why the accused would not seek to ascertain who was in the toilet” before opening fire.
'Not a flight risk'
But he said he had concluded that Pistorius was "not a flight risk" and said there was no evidence before him that the athlete might interfere with state witnesses. He also said he did not have evidence to suggest Pistorius was "not of a stable mind."
Nair also criticized Warrant Officer Hilton Botha – a police officer pulled from the case because he is facing attempted murder charges -- for making “several errors” during his testimony to the bail hearing.
He also said Botha had “blundered” when he claimed to have found testosterone in Pistorius’ room and had not “spent as much time as he ought to have if he wanted to show the accused has a propensity to violence.”
Nair set bail at a million rand (about $112,000). Pistorius, who was to be freed on payment of the money, was ordered to report to a police station twice a week, among a number of bail conditions.
Pistorius was also ordered to stay away from witnesses, surrender his passports, hand over his firearms and not drink alcohol. The case was then adjourned until June 4.
The athlete left the court at about 5:45 p.m. local time (10:45 a.m ET). He could be seen in a silver Land Rover that was pursued by members of the media on motorcycles after it left the court compound, Reuters reported. The SUV traveled to the home of Pistorius' uncle, Arnold Pistorius, in the Pretoria suburb of Waterkloof, where at least five private security guards kept reporters at bay.
Medupe Simasiku, a spokesman for the prosecution, said that they respected the court’s decision.
“We would like to assure everyone that we’re still confident of this case,” he said. “We believe that we will make it through during the trial."
Before the bail decision, prosecutor Gerrie Nel had told the court that “one must stretch” to believe Pistorius’ account of what happened on the night of the shooting.
And Nel questioned why Steenkamp would have stayed silent and not alerted Pistorius that she was in the bathroom.
“Why would she not have shouted, 'Where are you (Oscar)? What's going on?’” Nel said. “She did not say a word. She did not scream. She did nothing! I think that's improbable. ... It's not true!"
In a statement read to the court on Tuesday, Pistorius described waking up and and going to his bedroom balcony to bring a fan inside and close the sliding glass doors and blinds. After hearing a noise in the bathroom, the double-amputee said he felt "a sense of terror" and feared a prowler was in the house.
Pistorius' account added:
"I fired shots at the toilet door and shouted at Reeva to phone the police. She did not respond and I moved backwards out of the bathroom, keeping my eyes on the bathroom entrance. Everything was pitch dark in the bedroom and I was still too scared to switch on a light. Reeva was not responding.
"When I reached the bed, I realized that Reeva was not in bed. That is when it dawned on me that it could have been Reeva who was in the toilet."
Defense lawyer Barry Roux told the court before the decision on bail that Pistorius should at most be charged with culpable homicide, which is the unlawful, negligent killing of someone under South African law.
He said “intent” to possibly kill a burglar could not be transferred to become intent to kill Steenkamp.
Roux said Pistorius would not be able to flee the country unnoticed. If he went through security at an airport, "the system would react."
The lawyer added that Pistorius would not skip bail, saying that his prosthetics needed adjustment every month and that he also required medication for his stomach.
The arrest of Pistorius stunned millions who watched in awe last year as the sprinter reached the semi-final of the 400 meters at the London 2012 Olympics.
In South Africa, Pistorius was seen as a rare hero who commanded respect from both blacks and whites, transcending the racial divides that persist 19 years after the end of apartheid.
Reuters contributed to this report.
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This story was originally published on Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:34 AM EST
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No Matter What He Killed This Person, and Now he will pay the Price.....
In this life or the next, to be sure.
Karma's a bitch.
I can only remember the trial of OJ Simpson. Is Pistorius getting away with murder too just to be "politically correct"?
I am starting to really dislike this guy. What a SAP!
His story is a stretch. That's putting it mildly.
I don't see what the policeman did before has to do with this case. They should Oscar in jail and not
give him bail.
doesnt matter if she was silent.... he killed her, he admits it, she wasn't an intruder in the house, she was someone known to him... that makes it manslaughter / accidental murder at the least
put the freakin idiot in jail already...
but they won't, because people with money walk....
Drugs, combined with performance enhancing syringes, always leads to problems. Poor guy! He was overcome with his fame and notoriety! And then he went mad, and became the animal that nobody understands..
Yes, he tested clean, but are we really surprised?!! NOOO!!!!!!!!!! This guy hit the world stage as a man without legs.. Soon, he had a model as a girlfriend for his supposed valor...
U can't usurp valor and honor through drugs!!
All those that did, became also rans because we knew they were doped... Too bad he didn't get the message.
You aren't all you seem, even at your best. You're as good as your last decent interview or last decent review of your TRUTH!! Sadly, his truth is vengence... Sick, but true... He knows it, he lived it, and then he made her live it too... So sick!
Even IF this wasn't intentional and a completely "honest" mistake, (a REALLY BIG IF, more like a high improbability) he should at least serve a few decades of time for being such a f*cking dumb a$$ with a firearm.
This is a simple case of "you will never leave me alive". What a piece of garbage he is.
I think I remeber either reading or hearing a story that Oscar Pistorius had fired a shot into a business full of people and nothing happenbecause he said it was an accident and nothing happened??
A sense of terror? What a wussy. An Olympic athelete with a loaded gun and he is as scared as a little bunny rabbit. Poor little feller. Must be tough going thru life that scared. I'm sure he'll find a real man to protect him in the slammer.
If he were being honest about an intruder, he would have held the gun on the door and commanded them to come out. Ugh.
I can't believe a man without legs would kill a women who is whole and gave her all TO HIM!
He is the greatest punk, the greatest fall we know... It took a man without legs for us to see how evil a man can be once he realizes he has faults with a women who is lovely and a future success!
He became the rhodent who runs to every corner looking for a way out, but realizes he is stuck in the same maze no matter what he does. HE HAS LEGS!!
Sorry dude.... That didn't matter! What mattered was your feelings for other people outside of yourslef and YOU FAILED!
Now, you're the crazy dude who lined up with big fake legs and an ego to match those legs.. Monstrous!
How did you ever think you were better than ANYONE?!!! You are CRAZY!! You ruined everyone's lives around you during your attempt at becoming famous.
Now, You're Infamous! A killer, and I'm beside myself thinking about what you've done!
So, let me get this straight...
An intruder enters Oscar's gated community, goes to his house, climbs up onto the balcony and enters Oscar's bedroom through the sliding door, which is open despite Oscar's well documented fear of violent crime. Neither he nor his girlfriend hears anything. The intruder doesn't attack them or begin ransacking the house for loot, but proceeds to lock himself in the bathroom while the couple remains sleeping.
For no apparent reason, Oscar wakes up, not noticing that he's now alone in bed, and decides to close the sliding door. He hears something in the bathroom - that would be the intruder who has previously locked himself in the bathroom, although neither Oscar nor his girlfriend has even stirred - and becomes terrified.
He doesn't creep to the phone and call the cops or try to hustle his girlfriend out of the bedroom. He doesn't even check to see if his girlfriend, the person most likely to be in the can, is in bed. Instead, he straps on his legs and grabs a loaded firearm, still not noticing that his girlfriend is missing. He fires a shot through the bathroom door. Neither his girlfriend nor the intruder makes a sound. He keeps firing. After four shots, for no apparent reason, he determines that he's stopped the intruder, flings open the door and is horrified to find that he has mortally wounded his beloved.
If this were in a movie script, the producers would demand a rewrite because no audience would buy it. Sadly, a South African judge might.
Dave Simpson, you couldn't have said it any better! (applaud)
Oscar was a wimp and a weakling. He went through what every man goes through in becoming a man, "a woman rejects and dumps you"..It happens to all men, and women. It boils down to, he couldn't take the pain, and relented to rage. His story stinks. What little bit of pride if ever he had any, he should ADMIT what he has done, and beg forgiveness from her family, his family, and the all the people that praised him. IMO, they should not only give him life without parole, but cut off his arms, and no use of those blades and/or artificial legs in prison.
He had the whole world at his feet, and there are a zillion women out there..
I moved backwards out of the bathroom, keeping my eyes on the bathroom entrance. Everything was pitch dark in the bedroom and I was still too scared to switch on a light.
If it was pitch dark in the bedroom would it not be pitch darkER in the bathroom? It was light enough for him to locate his weapon, put on his legs and orient his shots/aim his gun, but he can't see/sense her not in the bed?
Also, it must have been the FIRST time she ever used the toilet in the middle if the night or he would have shot her before.
Two wonderful lives wasted.
(His blade legs would make some serious weapons, do you think they allow him to have them in prison?)
That's a very good question. The guy is so terrified of someone breaking into his house that he'd shoot to kill through a locked door, no questions asked... yet he sleeps with the doors and windows open?
Oscar Pistorius is very stupid to tell such a lame story. Or maybe he thinks the public and the courts are stupid.
Either way, his story stinks like a rotting fish.
Oscar Pistorius should hook up with Jodi Arius......birds of a feather !!!
I already see it turning into another OJ Simpson trial.
Wow all these people on their soap boxes preaching and claiming it was not a mistake. Well quess what cops in the US shoot family members thinking they are intruders several times per year. Yes cops which many of you claim are the professionals with guns. Mistakes happen and I'm not saying this was the case but they do. How many of you have ever had to deal with a intruder in your home? Well I have and let me tell you things go by quick and it is even worse if you just awoke from sleep. Thank fully in my case the intruder ran when he heard me rack my pump shotgun.
You folks claim he would not of been asleep with the door open if he feared crime. Well he may have intended on closing it but fell asleep. Just because the BR door was open does not mean an intruder would have had to come through there. The door being open does mean the alarm may not have been able to be set if he had one.
I'm just trying to point out there are other ways this could have went down. This case is either a tragic mistake or murder and of course the prosecutor is going to claim murder, that's his/her job. It's also US main stream media's job to make it look like murder when a gun is used, well unless it was a US cop then it's cop kills son(?)"mistakes" him(?) for intruder
Well atleast in the US lets look at how the cops investigate things. Look at the Kelly Thomas case, they had video but would not release it for upto or more than a year claiming they are conducting a investigation. A whole freaking year and even tried to sweep it under the rug until others got ahold of the video. Now look at when someone shoots a cop and they don't even have video but think they know who did it. They are after that person and charging them within a day or so.
I've read this story each day and am waiting for something where the defense is going to present their evidence to back up him being "scared to death" of an intruder or someone who had threatened his life in the past. I'm not saying that by doing this makes him innocent but at least install some doubt instead of this whacky story.
Think of the OJ case- 99.999% of us knew he was guilty but the bottom line if his defense installed enough doubt (although whacky to logical people) to make the jury think twice + they were playing the race card (probably due to the rodney king case) because in the end OJ is really a white guy...
Really? Which one - the second, third or forth bullet that pummeled through the bathroom door after she started screaming???????
DING! And we have a winnah!!!!!
You're right about cops accidentally shooting their own family members... but FOUR TIMES? Through a locked door, not identifying who it is they're firing at?
Sorry, that's a stretch.
It's tragic, but it was no 'mistake'.
Ladies, make sure you wear your kevlar vest to bed if your significant other is as muddled and neurotic as Pistol Packin' Pistorius.
fishman,
I hope people like you aren't on this jury...only a naive fool could try to explain away the facts and claim he didn't mean to do it.
Fishman, your point is valid, things happen fast and mistakes are made. I just think his story does not add up. He is claiming it was too dark to tell if the girl was in bed or not, but can see/watch the door to the bathroom.
Also, he has to be fairly alert because he got the fan and closed the door. And he could see to do that too, where was the girlfriend then?
Most of the times I get up in the night it is to use the bathroom. Has to be a pretty stupid burgler to think that is a good place to hide.
This has been the LEAD story on this site all week. Walter Cronkite is turning in his grave.
And he's claiming he did that without his artificial legs, furthermore claiming he shot through the bathroom door and then knocked it down on his stumps. Imagine trying to knock down a door from a sitting or kneeling position.
Then he carried Reeva down the stairs wearing his prosthetic legs, so he must have put them on at some point. Were there bloody fingerprints on them, or were they clean?
He didn't call an ambulance, instead he called a friend who came over and allegedly tried to help stop her bleeding. That's crazy! Why not call paramedics? Isn't that what most people would do?
And what about the bloody cricket bat?
Too many questions that he has no good answers for. I hope he doesn't walk away from this.
Why do we care about this story, Hole? To me, it's a perfect illustration of how gun violence can so easily happen in the home and of how a famous person can use his reputation to fool others, even to the point of murder.
Putting aside the question of why she didn't scream...why did she lock the door??? I would venture to say that nearly all people in a familiar home with only their significant other there will just close the door (and maybe not even that) without feeling the need to lock themselves in. That is, of course, unless your significant other is beating you. THEN you lock yourself in.
who cares about this guy?
why is this top of the page news?
JK-4363698 - there is only one life to mourn and that is the life of Ms Steenkamp. Oscar did this to himself and deserves to be punished.
.........not a flight risk???????
........does anyone here NOT picture a Cessna, Piper cub or puttle jumper piloted by one of his "supporters" swooping in and whisking him away???????
There is "any" doubt and then there is "reasonable" doubt. Our court system is based on the reasonableness of the doubt. In the O.J. case, unfortunately the jury for whatever reason completely ignored the word "reasonable". In that case jury members were looking for "any" doubt even if it had been constituted by a theory that flying green spacemen killed Nicole. The defense attorneys really didn't have to install anything at all. Jury members were looking for anything at all -- reasonable or not -- that would keep O.J. a free man and keep justice from being served for Nicole and her family.
This dude is a disgrace to all men. It is guys like him why we men are given a bad wrap sometimes. From the moment I heard the news, I felt strongly that it was a case of her wanting to leave and him believing that she did not have the right to go. Imagine, this was a beautiful and accomplished woman and he snuffed out her life beacuse she was not willing to stay with his sorry ass. It sends a chilling message that even strong, assertive women are falling prey to domestic abuse and murder. The courts cannot fail the people, they must exact a moral and righteous judgement. This pathetic excuse of a man must pay dearly for his deeds and hopefully afterwards find salvation through Jesus' name.
Yeah...too many things just don't add up. They have already determined that he had his legs on when he shot into the door due to the angle of the bullets. So, he's lying there. It may have been dark, but if he was yelling for her when he was "terrified" that an intruder was in the bathroom, you would think she would have immediately jumped up and out of bed calling his name. Instead, through all of this, he still thought she was lying in bed asleep? Just doesn't make sense. It was well known that he was a gun nut and there had been other domestic violence calls to his house in the past. Why don't we stop the guessing and just see how the trial goes. I don't particularly think he is a flight risk so getting bail was a no-brainer in my mind.
With three shots to the head and one to the shoulder, he's guilty and doesn't have a leg to stand on!
His blades are already packed for him to make a run for it! Besides, this will be a high profile case and will take a team of very expensive attorneys and he can't foot the bill.
Money talks and Pistorius walks...
I can hear the buzz of the ultralight in the background already.
His story has no legs.
fishman:
This is true, but his story still appears to be unbelievable. Have you seen the layout of the place? The balcony does not appear to be that large and is right off the bedroom. The only way into the bedroom (thorough the house/apartment) takes you by the bed. They then have to do a 180 back past the bed and through an open closet type area, turning right to go into the (seems open) bathroom. Not only this, but once in the bathroom the toilet is separated by a door. OP is saying that it seemed reasonable to him that an intruder did this, in the time it took him to get a fan and close the door to the balcony, without him noticing, and then for some reason this intruder locked themselves in the toilet. And what the hell intruder would do that anyway?
It's also hard to buy the "I was too scared to turn on the light" excuse. If anything, I would want the light on, so I could see properly. Especially if planning on using a gun! This excuse is important to OP because it's the only way he can argue that he couldn't see Reeva in bed when he had to go right by her to get to the bathroom. I don't even buy that because if he was capable of seeing to get the fan, close the door, grabbing the gun, etc, then his eyes must have adjusted enough to be able to see if Reeva was in the bed he walked right by!
An article in People Magazine (granted, not always the most reliable source) quoted a friend of Reeva's saying that Oscar tended to become very jealous if other men looked at Reeva. He would be annoyed with her for trivial reasons like wearing her hair in a ponytail, dressing casually, asking too many questions of a waiter.
They also reported that Reeva may have received a text message from another man late on the night she was killed (which could have sparked an argument.)
My impression is that she wasn't cheating on him or planning on dumping him, but that he was so jealous he wouldn't allow her to have any personal autonomy or any platonic male friends. Just a classic case of a jealous, controlling man, possibly made worse by drugs he was using to enhance his athletic performance. Pistorius would not be the first.
I don't think they have, actually. The prosecution and the detective say this is what happened but the detective himself has admitted he isn't an expert and they will need to get that evidence when it actually comes to the proper trial.
Rob80
Do you really think that he crawled to the bathroom with a loaded gun to confront an intruder? It would be fairly easy to determine that because there would be 12"-18" difference trajectory of the bullets.
@kaybeetoys - when he complained about the other runner in the paralympics having an unfair advantage because of their 'blades', that said a lot to me about his personality. A big sense of being entitled and controlling.
cory
I think you misunderstand. I don't at all. What I'm saying is what I outlined is what he wants US (well, the judge really) to believe, and I don't buy it in the slightest. Don't really see how anyone could, tbh?
Or if you're talking about the trajectory, I'm just saying that real evidence hasn't been presented yet. All we've heard so far is the preliminary stuff, to decide what to charge him with and bail, etc.
I hate MSN. it keeps taking me to random stories when trying to comment.
He doesn't have a leg to stand on.... ;-)
Now that he was granted bail, I bet he commits suicide. Don't know why but this is what comes to mind...
Over there, it's guilty until proved innocent. Unlike here in the US. So it's a little strange that they let him out on bail.
Rob-
NOT BUYING the "I completely spaced it - and I didn't have my legs on when I opened fire" bullsh1t story. He went up to the balcony BEFORE this happend to "grab a fan" / look for an "intruder". He would have HAD TO put on his artificial legs to get up to the balcony to check out this possible "intruder", and to do this you ALSO would have to be somewhat awake and coherent, right??? And the slider leading to it was WIDE OPEN! You're THAT paranoid about "intruders" you would shut the damn door!
I can't figure out why this situation continues to be the top headline in the news. We have our own share of mysterious deaths in this country, and certainly there are more important things to think about and discuss.
this guy:
- gets into the olympics in spite of assistance from artificial body parts... which is grossly unfair to people with actual human lower legs
- murders someone, admits it, and is going to jail under any circumstance whether it be accidental or not... and he walks on bail
lifes good if you are connected and rich..... if you aren't you end up not going to the olympics and in jail....
Creek Dog
I hope he does. What a disgrace. He went from an extreme high to an unbelievable low in a very short amount of time. Your prediction definitely has some merit. But where is he going to get a gun? You know, because that is the ONLY way someone can do harm to themselves or others...
Run Pistorius!!! Ruunnn!!!!
@hotticket
Except for the fact he didn't have to go 'up' to the balcony, I agree completely. The balcony appears to be much like a deck, straight out off the bedroom through the sliding door. I don't see any reason why he couldn't get a fan (I'm not imagining something big there) and close the door without his 'legs'.
He's half the man he never was.
This judge flat out stated that he sees no evidence that Pistorius was "not of a stable mind..."
Does that wipe out "insanity" plea?
Cory,...................(Sarc?!)
Just like criminals. If he can't get his hands on a gun, he'll find another way. One way or the other, he'll figure it out. There's more than one way to commit suicide.
Is our Society so bankrupt that we are spoon fed this story on a daily basis as front page news.
It was either a terrible accident, or a heinous crime. Either way there are more important stories out there that aren't being covered, or covered objectively. Cable News web versions are about as newsworthy as the National Enquirer, and for some of them about as truthful as the Onion, only the Onion doesn't portray itself as real news.
Gotta love the Onion. "America's Finest News Source"
What do you call Oscar Pistorius, with his "blade" legs on, hanging from a tree, swaying in the breeze?
Ans: A wind chime
Creek Dog
Of course sarcasm. Got to get my two cents in here somehow...
This whole thing stinks to high heaven. The justice system there is undoubtedly the same can of worms that it is here.
He will beat the rap because he is a national icon
Forget every scenario that has already been floated - - If he was armed and the "perpetrator" had "locked" themself in the bathroom then why shoot through the door? The logical thing to do would be to just dial 911, sit down in a comfortable chair with his loaded 9mm and wait for the cops or, better yet, run like hell. He is, after all, an Olympic sprinter isn't he?
He's rich, he's white, he's high profile.
They're going to let him walk.
Totally perverted.
jkatze -
He killed a beautiful white girl. What does the fact that HE is white have anything to do with it?
(OJ Simpson was black and he walked.)
Pistorius previously said he did not have his "Legs" on when he shot her in the bathroom--
Pyscopath. Stop the adulation of the Sports Stars---his friend said he had a "dark side" to him.
South Africa---he'll be acquitted of all charges, just like here in America, the wealthy being able to afford slimy Defense Attorneys--who really know how to get around the loopholes. Maybe the trial will be never, or in 10 years. South Africa doesn't care.
Cory, please don't wish for that. Suicide is a terrible thing.
Besides, OP can never learn to feel remorse if he's dead. His death won't bring Reeva back.
tink tink...poor tink tink...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZPfN1hUPjg
He wont kill himself.He got what he wanted...time off to get his name cleared a bit.Sadly I think he wont be convicted either.His story is sooooo bizzare...if he was afraid of burglers why were all the windows and doors open?I liked the comment above "Money talks and he walks".
let's hope he doesn't have his "legs" on when he's trying to out run a pride of lions either........
"I fired shots at the toilet door and shouted at Reeva to phone the police. She did not respond and I moved backwards out of the bathroom, keeping my eyes on the bathroom entrance. Everything was pitch dark in the bedroom and I was still too scared to switch on a light. Reeva was not responding."
His statement has changed since yesterday and the day before. I would like to know if that is the media or if he has changed his account of things.
Yesterday he was quoted as saying he was in front of the bathroom door and shouted, "Get out of my house. Reeva, call the police!" and then began to open fire on the door.
Today, he is now shooting at the door and then calling to Reeva and he is also stating that he now moved back into the bedroom and noticed Reeva was not in bed where as before he remained in place and noticed from 22 feet away that Reeva wasn't there in the dark.
This sounds like he's being coached by his lawyers to make his story more believable. But that all depends on if the news media was accurate with their quotes. But a person's first account of things is usually the most truthful. When people have more time, they change facts to make it all sound better.
I agree that most people would call an ambulance; however, when people are in shock they can do crazy things. If you have just shot your girlfriend that you love, you would probably be seriously traumatized and in shock. Women who have been raped have been known to laugh hysterically, and it used to be that they weren't believed because they were laughing. Also, I read a memoir of someone who was in one of the WTC towers on 9/11 who remembered the part where she was at the bottom after she made it down the stairs as kind of a dreamlike sequence as if she was in another world. She was later told that she went around picking up pieces of dead bodies before she actually ran away from the buildings, though she did not remember doing that.
I'm not saying that Pistorius is innocent-and the cricket bat is very hard to explain in any scenario-but if he was traumatized he may have acted very strangely after shooting his girlfriend. If he had shot her in cold calculation, I think he would have planned it out better and made the whole thing look more normal by calling an ambulance like a "normal" grieving boyfriend. In other words, he did a terrible job of planning the crime and covering it up if he was coldly calculating-that's all I'm saying. Now, domestic violence gone wrong does seem to fit this scenario quite well and he would still be quite traumatized because in most cases the abuser does love the one he abused.
As far as why Pistorius had the windows open if he was afraid of intruders, I think we need to consider that this happened in South Africa-and a plausible story there may be different from what we would consider plausible here. We don't know the usual state of affairs there-if people normally keep windows open, how they protect from intruders, etc-at least I don't. People keep forgetting that this did not occur in the US.
No, he probably would not have had to put on his prostheses to do this. I'm a physical therapist, and I've seen even pretty ill bilateral (double) amputees get around from one surface to another pretty well without their prostheses assuming they also had use of their arms. Pistorius is an Olympic athlete, so of course he would have no problem getting around without his. Even carrying a fan, he would have enough strength and balance to be able to get around with the use of only one arm or possibly without even using his arms, depending on how he did it and how much residual limb he had.
It seems that most people on here are considering only one possible conclusion from each piece of information rather than all possible conclusions. They are only looking at things from their own personal experience or-even worse-from what they have seen on TV or read in books; and, unfortunately, not everyone experiences things the same way or the way it happens on TV. Furthermore, I hate to tell you guys, but what you see on TV is not always fact. In fact, this may be shocking, but TV shows are often WRONG about stuff-at least they often get medical stuff wrong, even "medical" shows get it wrong (I can speak to this because I'm in the medical field).
In a criminal case, all possible conclusions must be considered. As I said, to me the situation that seems to fit best FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD SO FAR-which I realize is biased by the media-is that of domestic violence gone wrong. However, we have not seen or heard all of the evidence; and we are now realizing that some of it was incorrect since the one detective's testimony apparently fell apart on the stand. He didn't fall apart because of Pistorius' money-he fell apart because of the evidence itself. This trial may be turning into a soap opera (if it doesn't on its own, the media will turn it into one!) and there appears to be corruption in the court system in general. However, please keep Pistorius separate from OJ! That was a different case, and they are not at all related. For one thing Pistorius is in South Africa in a completely different court system. For another, the circumstances are different even if there are some similarities. It's hardly fair to try and convict someone based on another person's case. Let Pistorius stand or fall based on his own case.
Until we have the clear facts, like the discrepancy I pointed at above about his statements, then it is hard to decide if he is innocent or guilty. Still, I find it hard to believe he could find his gun in the nightstand or under the bed and not notice Reeva not being there. I also can't believe that she would not have had the lights on in the bathroom if she got up to use it. I also can't believe that someone who had their girlfriend sleeping over would suddenly fly into such a fright that they would begin shooting into the bathroom without first finding out who was in it, especially when they stated that their "FIRST" concern was the safety of their girlfriend and then them self. It is not like he ran into someone directly in the dark with their gun. It also wasn't like he woke from a dead sleep. He was up and went out to get a fan. He probably was awake some time before he even decided to get the fan. So anyhow, he's pretty much awake when he comes back in with the fan and notices someone is in the bathroom. His description of suddenly feeling "terror" is almost humorous if someone didn't die. It is just not logical or probably!
The height of the shots into the door will be the factor that tells if he had his legs on or not. But so far, it seems like he and his defense are back-peddling on his story. Tomorrow, we may find them saying that, yes, Pistorius was actually sleeping in his legs or something.
Risky letting him out on bail without an ankle bracelet....
One thing to remember about the 2 witnesses who heard shots, don't be focused on the distance - you can hear someone shooting from more than a mile away. One said they heard a shot and after a few minutes it was followed by more shots. The other witness said they heard a shot, then after a few minutes screams, followed by more shots. That is pretty consistent stories coming from two different people. Pistorius' story has changed already since yesterday.
Bail granting policy must be very liberal in South Africa... i have a bad feeling Duck Boy is gonna run and evade capture... Yes, LIVE TO RIDE... it is risky letting Oscar out on bail without an Anko Bracelet...
... then it'll be WorldWide Duck Hunting season.
10 bucks says this guy flees the country as soon as possible. you can see it coming. like a bat outta hell
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wouldn't it be nice though if just once, someone like this actually took responsibility for their actions and manned up.
i'm tired of all his sniveling and crying. he has no pride nor spine. apparently his biggest disability can't be seen.
He's crying because he got caught. It's not due to remorse over the death of someone else at his hands.
Is he really crying? They write about how he covers his face and makes loud sobbing noises that everyone hears but I have never seen it written that there were tears rolling down his face. I think he is putting on a performance and it seems that the majority are buying it. From his "story" of being "so terrifed" that he could'nt turn on the lights (yet his sliding door and windows are open) to his "act" in court, this man leaks of lies and seem to have no remorse. A stone cold killer.
Wouldn't it be nice if any really cared about this? A guy killed his girlfriend (maybe?).... move along folks
It's a lame act that will not win Oscar an oscar.
"Killer Of 77 People Claims Self-defense, Cries In Court"
What does crying in court really prove?
I might be wrong but I think somewhere I read that in Africa there are no Jury trials - that the decision comes strictly from the judge. Whether that is good or bad I dont know but somehow I have a feeling that he may wiggle out of this with a reduced charge and less time in jail. Everybody is talking about OJ but seem to forget (I watched the entire trial and didnt even know who OJ was until it got underway) that the Prosecution messed up badly in that case. They caused the acquittal thus leaving reasonable doubt for the jury to consider. Casey Anthony - that was an inadequate jury that didnt understand what a "circumstantial" case meant. But in my mind I keep thinking of the George Zimmerman case as I read this. No doubt he killed Trayvon - he admitted to it and told 5 different stories but he is walking free awaiting trial too. And best of all his lawyer has conned the public into supporting him with thousands of dollars. What is lost in all of this as we talk about the perpetrators big time are the victims. That should be the topic of conversation if there needs to be one. Precious lives lost way too soon. Let's not give the perpetrators of these deaths have one more minute in the spotlight. They are scum and just like OJ they will one day pay for their crimes.
@SHar-numbers - In South Africa, the verdict is decided by a judge (the magistrate) and 2 assessors (who take the place of a jury). The 2 assessors are professionals and not selected from the population. Things that are good about our system, is that the jury is kept from the public media during the trial as well as other people who might influence them, but still, they get to read all the pre-trial crap in the media. I am not certain about these assessors, but I guess that they get to read everything in the news as well as have contact with other people, including people who may want to buy their decisions.
The story does not make sense, I am sure she would have screamed if what he is saying is true.
I just do not buy his story, may God bless her family and friends.
Actually if I heard my boyfriend scream there was an intruder, I would lock the door and be very quiet so as not to draw the intruder to me while I'm trapped in a bathroom
The fact one bullet hit his girlfriend above her right ear, might explain why she made no sound, especially if that was the first bullet shot. Another her elbow, the last her hip. It is always interesting, from a law enforcement background, to go over the "what ifs" after an event has happened. From other crime scenes and choices people faced. That saying, there but for the grace of God go I. Without having to be the person who actually experienced the situation, so many second guess what they would have done, acting perfectly reasonable.
For instance, if instead of his girlfriend, a real burglar with a handgun had been behind that door, this whole thing would be moot. And people would be praising him for protecting his beloved girlfriend. Mentioning that South Africa is known as the crime capital of the world. How fortunate he would have been to get up and moved the fan, because otherwise they both would probably have been murdered.
Alas, that is not what happened. And the public is left to act as juge, jury and executioner.All at our own pleasure, perspectives and limitations of life experiences.
The truth, in reality doesn't matter in court, like we think it should.Because that is never what trials are about. It is what the lawyers can get the jury or judge to believe what "happened" or didn't, based on "evidence" -Facts and how good they are at admitting these, or not, and diversion tactics.
Hence, justice isn't usually found in so many cases. The facts in this case, a woman was shot dead, the defendant pulled the trigger. Everything else is debatable. The better lawyer always wins, sacrificing truth if need be.Which is why so many victims are left devastated when criminals walk away ffree.
I am not a lwayer or a dective but I sense that you have a synical view fn the legal system, period. I do not know about the S. African court system but I do belive that courts get it right a whole lot more often then they get it wrong. I am a statistics person because they do not lie when properly applied. There are some stats about people being wrongfully convicted and released but they number is small. The majority of the time they get it right and the overwhelming majority of people in jail... belong there. I will admit that money does make a difference, and a lot of rich people, like Oscar, get by with the crimes they have committed. just my opinion :)
You are waken in the middle of the night to a noise and when you run from your bedroom the room right in front of you is glowing…. After running pass the glowing room towards the front of the house and the front door, you realize the glowing room is on fire. What would you do? Well when it happened to me, between confusion and fear I did everything I can sit here now and say I would not do… difference is now I am thinking then fear had taking over….
Michael-36408980-(I am not a lwayer or a dective but I sense that you have a synical view fn the legal system)
I'm not yet cynical towards the United States criminal justice system. In fact we have what I believe is the best in the world. But it certainly does need more than a band aid to fit the problems overwhelming it currently.
My frustrations come from having friends, coworkers, doing our jobs, trying to protect those we see suffering from those causing such things. After being sworn to defend, and enforce laws people expect will make a difference. To make sure a suspect is held accountable, only to see they walk away or get their hand slapped. While some victim who really suffered horribly, gets brushed aside, almost dismissed because the penalties have no teeth, or plea deals end up meaning probation only. Sometimes because a judge won't even look at pictures, too "delicate" for her constitution to handle! For horrific acts of extreme suffering.The truth of what happened, getting lost along the way in outlandish stories, defenses.
I understand, it is part of what dealing with lives gone wrong, people who don't care and the lowest form of life simply has to be like.Trying to get cases through backlogged courts is also an issue. Most suspects do face consequences for what they do. I wish it wasn't so messy. That just doesn't make it any easier some days.
I guess if it were up to me, I would remove nonviolent offenders from prisons, create working training/community service oversight systems. Where they could help meet needs in their county, that tax dollars would be spent on. They can get credit. It has been done in other places, we need more to do this. Save prisons for the real violent folks, shorten the appeals,stop private prisons which aren't accountable to anyone and make money based on numbers so they keep increasing.Require all criminal lawyers to donate a portion of their time, to poor suspects defenses. They already do this for law students. Limit types of plea deals in capital, rape, child crime cases, and adding/increasing mandatory sentences.Of course this wouldn't fix everything in my imaginary world, but it's a start.
LAMusing said,
"Actually if I heard my boyfriend scream there was an intruder, I would lock the door and be very quiet so as not to draw the intruder to me while I'm trapped in a bathroom."
I would, too, except in this case, Pistorius makes no claim that he screamed that there was an intruder... so that doesn't prove any point to your comparing what, in reality happened with your imaginary scenario.
LAMusing, my apology... you make a good point about her locking the bathroom door under such circumstances. I had not read OC's account carefully enough to make my statement above. I don't doubt what you have said is what the defense team will say. I don't believe it any more than a lot of things OC has said but, concentrating on just that one point; it could create reasonable doubt.
may god bless her family and friends, really?
such nonsense!
But he didn't scream about the intruder till either right before, or after, he started shooting. Either way, he was right by Reeva (in the bathroom, the toilet has a separate door) when he says he did.
Does not make any sense at all.
Why did she go to the bathroom that was the furthest away?There was one in the bedroom.Simply because she was running from him.
And even though he says the bedroom was dark, how is it that he didn't notice she was not lying beside him in bed, most people would automaticaly reach out and touch the other person. Yet he put his prosthetics on and did what he did without suspecting that she was somewhere else in the house?? His story sounds like it was made up after the fact to present himself in the best light possible!
Well, the story Pistorius is telling has changed since yesterday. The order of things have changed as well as some of the actions he took. Usually, the first story is the more exact one, later additions are usually attempts to make a story more believable.
Where's the business about the bloody cricket bat and the witnesses who heard an hour-long screaming argument?
I'm just afraid the prosecution is going to fall into the same trap of OJ Simpson's cunning lawyer team who buggered about with a glove that he pretended didn't fit, and accusing cops of racist remarks. Trivial details of open doors and windows won't cut it. Locking herself in a distant bathroom instead of the one adjacent to the bedroom is more significant. Strange for lovers. Luckily there's no jury system in SA since he's also a sporting hero like OJ. Let's just hope sanity prevails.
I've followed all 4 days of court via live reporter tweets. The prosecution admits the bat was only used to break open the bathroom door. Reeva had no defensive wounds or other injuries indicating any struggle or fight of any sort. The witness lives almost half a mile away and was unlikely to have been able to hear any arguing. They also reported 8 or 9 shots when there were only 4. Also she WAS in the bathroom adjacent to the bedroom - may be some confusion since in South Africa the toilet is usually (as in this case) in a separate room within the bathroom - always separated from the tub, sinks, etc. by a door. So the phrases "toilet" and "bathroom" can be misleading to those in the US.
Thanks for clearing that up I was wondering why they were referring to the "toilet" in a lot of statements.
There are 2 'witnesses", not 1?
Brit, and those who think as you do. The defense didn't have to "confuse" anyone on the jury of the OJ trial. The prosecution as well as the police investigators screwed the pooch on that one. Clearly there are many of you who have no clue what the task of the juror is. It is NOT to determine innocence or guilt. It IS to determine if the prosecution did or did not prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt. LA did not. They botched it at every turn.
The case has become political now that they've removed the lead detective, charging him in a case that was investigated and dismissed years ago. Where I thought justice would prevail for this young, innocent woman even though the killer was an international athlete of high regard, I now fear the government is politically interfering in a case of Moral and Ethical Justice. By their actions with the lead detective, the South African Courts and Police Division have unnecessarily compromised the flow of information from the on-scene investigators, thereby artificially improving the claims made by the defense which sound illogical and nonsensical. My heart goes out to the mother and father of this beautiful victim because the court and police have unnecessarily pushed them into further inexplicable and unfathomable depths of despair.
Chief Magistrate Desmond Nair asked whether people would be shocked if Pistorius was released on bail.
VERY strange question coming from a Chief Magistrate as if public opinion were relevant at a bail hearing. Or is that how it works in SA? Public opinion? Strange proceedings. I bet Pistorius gets his bail.
I also thought it was a strange question. It should be irrelevant. Magistrate should serve justice not the court of public opinion.
I followed all 4 days of court via live reporter tweets and will be surprised if he does not get bail. The prosecution had no actual evidence of premeditation, which should drop charge to a lesser charge and bail will be decided mainly on the question of will he skip.
One thing I noticed in final argument the prosecutor emphasized that government official had been present to observe, the President of SA was watching, and they had a mandate to treat "crimes against women" severely. (recent gang rape case has this in the forefront politically) It seemed odd since no implication until then of this being a gender based murder. A few people tweeted it sounded more like a warning to the magistrate that he better not give bail. Hmmm... Anyway ruling in a few hours.
I heard a news program yesterday that S. Africa does not have "jury" trials as we do. The fate is decided by one Judge appointed to the case.
You need to listen closer. The fate will be decided by a chief Magistrate and a panel of other magistrates.
It's a little bit of a stretch ... but just try to wrap your head around Oscar getting up on the tip toes of his stumps, reaching as high as he can and then shooting down at the toilet! It is a good strategy in case the intruder had a gun also. The thief could have assumed the "Blade Runner" had his legs on before he would shoot through the bathroom door and stop the intruder and try to save his girlfriend from harm. So it stands to reason that he would stump the intruder by staying low and getting the upper hand. Oscar knew that he might have to foot the bill for the damages to the door, but at least he would live to have that option if he could only kill the bad guy first and save his beloved.
Of course the other option is that his girlfriend turned hostile and was going to steal everything starting with his toiletries!
Im married to my wife and we've been together for 5 years, we lived together after dating a couple of months not once have i seen her lock the bathroom nor have i dont then when using the bathroom in any way .... There was a reason she locked herself in the bathroom, Oscar knows why
defense idea is that she locked the door after hearing Oscar call out that there was an intruder. Which is possible. If I heard "there's an Intruder!" I'd lock myself in and be very quiet so as to not draw the attention of the intruder while I'm trapped in a bathroom. Unfortunately he didn't yell "there's an intruder in the bathroom!" so she would have no idea where the intruder was - bedroom, downstairs, etc.
In fact the only way I'd NOT lock door and be quiet is if it was my child or elderly mother shouting "intruder!" - in which case I'd risk death by the intruder in an attempt to save them - I'd charge out of there like a crazed bull :P
Exactly right. My wife NEVER locks our master bedroom's bathroom door when she needs to go in there in the middle of the night, and I NEVER do, either - and our son NEVER locks the main hallway bathroom door as well!
And THEN after that he thinks it's a kinky intruder behind that door and "fears for his life??????"
What a krock of krap!!!!!!
*Buzzer*
Except there was no intruder. Why would OP think there was? If you heard a sound in the bathroom in the middle of the night, why would you think it was an intruder rather than your spouse/ girlfriend?
It's b.s.
Oh well hell because you two never lock the bathroom door that must mean no one does. After all the small slice of the world you two inhabit is the mirror for the entire world right?
No, Shellie. I just don't jump to the paranoid conclusion that a sound coming from the bathroom in the middle of the night is a burglar rather than my husband.
And also because I wouldn't open fire on someone through a door when it could be a family member. Seems logical to me.
A thing to remember in his own statements - this guy was fully awake when he hears the noise in the bathroom. It's not like he is suddenly awakened from a dead sleep to hear some noise, grabs his gun and begins shooting. It is summer in South Africa. It's hot. He's lying in his bed, sweating and finally decides to go out and get the fan on the balcony and bring it into the bedroom. Now think, it is dark in the room. He has turned on no lights, but his eyes are adjusted as much as they will ever be to the dark. So imagine your eyesight when you get up in the middle of the night to do something and how well you can see. Suddenly, he hears someone in the bathroom. We know it is his girlfriend and don't you think she would have turned on the bathroom lights to do her business? Would a burglar turn on the lights? Would a burglar even go into the bathroom? So, his eyesight returns enough for him to find his gun without any problems which is either under his bed (the same bed he can't see an object 1000 times bigger than his gun, Reeva) or in his nightstand. He takes the gun out of the holster and puts the holster on the nightstand. Then he goes to the bathroom door all the time maneuvering in the dark (the same dark he can't see his girlfriend who is not in the bed) - but today his story has changed since yesterday concerning the order of his actions so that makes it kind of hard to know what the truth is when it comes to those actions.
my wife and i were dating for a few months and decided to move in together, Never have i seen her lock the bathroom door when she used it in any way and neither do i esp. when its only us in the house. Why would Reeva lock herself in the bathroom???
This guy will probably get bail and shoot himself somewhere else then the media can use it for "gun" restrictions.
This guy is as guilty as OJ was and look what happened to the "juice".
Ironically, this guy is "juiced" ....we can only hope the general public put aside their "feeling bad" for him emotions. GUILTY....NEXT CASE!
actually no evidence at all that he was "juiced" - the prosecutor admits mistake in saying they found steroids... oops they meant testosterone... oops they only read the first three letters of the name on the box "T-E--S" - it's not testosterone it's actually some over the counter perfectly legal herbal supplement.
I'm unaware of any "herbal supplements" that require a syringe to administer
I was curious about the prosecution stating they may have been wrong about the drugs and the syringes. I see their backpedaling on this issue as an attempt at damage control. It might be embarrassing to SA to see their "star" stripped of his medals due to an unfair advantage by using drugs. Even a child knows what a syringe and needle looks like and I'm sure police do, too. I agree with those who say he already had enough of an advantage anyway with the prosthetic springs he uses. Murderer or not, I think they've agreed not to discuss reasons to take his medals away in front of the whole world... after all, he would cry and could hyperventilate.
Not a flight risk? Well, he does sort-of stick out in a crowd.
His prosthetic legs wouldn't be visible at all if he's wearing long pants. He'd look just like anyone else.
The blades are not his only artificial legs.
Yeah, evidently his 3rd legg did not require prosthesis....
"...millions who watched in awe last year as the sprinter reached the semi-final of the 400 meters at the London 2012 Olympics." ------------- It's hard to conceptualize how the Olympic Commission had allowed a disabled "runner" to compete in the primary Olympics with kangaroo bungee springs, which obviously add significant lift to his stride. I was NOT among those "millions" who had watched in awe.
Agreed Glueball, it was nothing but a ridiculous spectacle. If he can race with these springy blades then why can't the other runners wear mechanical devices on the bottom of their feet?
Exactly!.........Well said.
By your reasoning I can use inner tubes as condoms.
"Always use a cap on your valve-stem during sexual activities."
It sounds like President Obama telling us he will not raise Taxes on the Middle Class just before he does it
You do know thats a lie don't you?
trolling so early this morning compromisenow?
The new defense for everyone.... wasn't sure who it was so I just started blasting away, sorry" 10% conviction rate over there... he'll land on his feet with an acquittal.
He'd have been better off saying that he'd always hated that door, and Reeva just happened to be behind it when he decided to get rid of it by shooting at it. That's a more believable story than the one he's giving.
It is very important that we try and convict this man in the Media before the truth leaks out and confuses the Public
It is very important that we point our how ridiculous his story is before the obvious corruption of the SA justice system allows a killer to go free.
that was a pretty brilliant post Compromise!
Very few people are waiting for more evidence before rushing to judgment.
Yeah, that "leaking truth", that's what we need. A story about a phantom intruder and a petrified guy with a gun blasting away is quite enough evidence to know the whole thing is a farce.
Bet he wishes that he lived in the US. No witnesses to see what actually happened - classic "Stand your Ground" defense
Hope you're just being sarcastic; if not, you need to do some reading and get an understanding of what is and is not permitted by "stand your ground" statutes. They don't permit you to just start blasting away at the drop of a hat.
Really Mike? Then it's you that needs to do some reading. Reading about the cases where people have done just that and used the stand your ground law and walked.
Shellie, I decided to click on your profile, and look at some of your comments. For someone so obviously ignorant, yet adamant about your version of the facts, the only conclusion I can come to is that you're a troll... In which case, keep up the good work.
The defense sounds implausible, really
Especially since they have changed the order of events in their story since yesterday.
Two things that I would like to know or stand out to me so far:
What proof can he provide that his life was at risk to use lethal force? Think about it. If the alleged thief, which he obviously never saw, was somewhere in the bathroom behind a closed door, then how was Pistorius' life in danger? The use of the firearm was never warranted.
How many shots were fired and how many hit Steenkamp's body? If the percentage of hits to shots is high, he's probably guilty of the murder, as he knew where she was behind the door; if the door was ever closed to begin with. He knew where she usually sat when she resorted to closing herself in the bathroom.
Exactly!!!
Why did he not question where she was when he woke up to move the fan and close the door and she was not in bed next to him?. If he heard something from the bathroom why didn't he think it might be her in there. His story is constantly changing and his lawyers are attempting to try the case in the court of public opinion with all sorts of incredulous claims to insert reasonable doubt into the jury pool.
Paxx,
My guess is, if he shot through the door, then the door has holes in it. Easily debunked and the issue as to whether the door was open or closed was never mentioned in any statements.
Red Rover: The prosecution showed in a drawing and mentioned verbally that the door to the tiny toilet was closed and locked (the door had bullet holes). They showed the trajectory of the bullets which entered the tiny room indicating that Oscar had his prosthetics on because the bullets were in a downward trajectory through the door originating from where the height of his hand would be if he had his legs on.
I know that Vera but read Paxx's comments above. That is why I stated what I stated.
There should be no question that the door was closed, because there would be holes in it.
Sorry RedR, misunderstood your comment.
Hey, before we all get together and "string this guy up" lets try really hard to remember that we are supposed to be the giving this person, along with any one else, (could be you one day), the benefit of the doubt. I believe the term is due process.
Just a thought, a sane one...
No, that's not a sane thought. A sane thought would be ensuring your girlfriend was safe before you fired at what you claim was an intruder.
He may have thought his girlfriend had left. Some don't like to spend the entire night. (?)
lol@dynamik.
I'm surprised by the number of people wanting to lock Pistorius up and toss the key when they clearly have not followed the evidence and statements in the bail hearing, let alone waited to see what is presented in trial. Scary.
so I guess if the shoes don't fit they must aquit!
I'm surprise that anyone could be gullible enough to think that there is ANY chance that Pissy's story is true.
I am in no way gullible, just able to know when fear set in we somethings do things that we would not do if we had the time to think...
You are waken in the middle of the night to a noise and when you run from your bedroom the room right in front of you is glowing…. After running pass the glowing room towards the front of the house and the front door, you realize the glowing room is on fire. What would you do? Well when it happened to me, between confusion and fear I did everything I can sit here now and say I would not do… difference is now I am thinking then fear had taking over….
Checking if "the toilet got used?" may be key ...
If it was'nt flushed, you'd know...
I dont know about you but I dont like to talk (just cant talk) when I'm passing ...
Hope they didnt flush it....
Her bladder was empty according to the autopsy; toilet was used.
TMI. "Honey... DID YOU POOP?"
Watching this piece of crap crying, bowing his head and trying to look all pathetic and innocent is starting to make my blood boil. I'd like to rip one his "blades" off and beat him with it!
An arrogant pogo-stick of a man consumed with fear, remorse and self pity...
The English reporter, Robyn Curnow, said that after watching him in court "crying", she saw that when he looked around his eyes were dry. Imagine that!
It all sounds very fishy. We will never know the truth.
He will plea for man 1.
I have woken up in the middle of the night and heard noises in another room and felt that initial terror- I assumed my husband was still in bed with me because I was disoriented from sleep. However I did not immediately start shooting (because I don't keep a gun at bedside for one) before I reached over to grab my husband. When I found his side of the bed empty after all- I called out and guess what? The noise was my husband making a midnight snack. It just seems a logical course that a person would check to make sure the noise wasn't their spouse, guest, child before blasting away. But I can attest to that moment of terror you feel at first.
True, but I'd feel a lot less terror with a 9 mm on the nightstand.
rmb,
why arent you his midnight snack?
Ever heard of a yacht? South Africa has thousands of them and you can leave the country undetected. Pistorius probably has many sympathizers who would help him to stage an escape to a country with no extradition treaty. Yes, he is a huge flight risk.
The Pistorius case raises a serious social issue. Too many young men idolize young
women. They then tend to become unhealthily dependent in their relationships.
Over-dependence stunts the young man’s development but also becomes a problem
when the young woman wants to end the relationship. These over-dependent young
men are devastated and become confused and angry. Quite often this anger turns
into tragic violence. Pistorius is world famous and a hero to millions of
disabled people. Why was he willing to lose everything he had worked for by taking this
desperate action ? Pistorius and other similar young men need help to
understand the unhealthy nature of their emotional over-dependence on a
particular woman. These young men need to understand that they are no less a
person without a woman. Once men realize that they do not need to be totally dependent
on a women to live a fulfilled life there will be less tragic incidents like
the Pistorius case
He looks guilty to me, bail I don't think so. A public hanging is what is needed. There is too much sympathy for these cold blooded killers, take them out.
Chief Magistrate Desmond Nair asked “what kind of life would
Pistorius lead if he flees, given his protheses?”
(a) What kind of message would the court be sending to Reeva Steenkamp's
family and to the rest of the world if the court will allow this murder to walk free?
The only bird can’t fly away is a jailed BIRD.
And an ostrich just to mention another; I think the judge thinks of him as an ostrich.