Should we presume he is going to expel the Taliban for the same offenses?

Let's hope he smartens up and expels ALL US troops immediately and sends them packing and home.

Afghan Prez speak for "they are hindering the Taliban success operation"

Afghan president orders US forces out of key province

Time to pack up our "roadshow" and come home now!

Just wait til the Taliban successes end up at the Kabul Presidential Palace. Then what is Karzai gonna say? "Waaaa, come back, come back....USA ."

I see this as only posturing by Karzai to gain status with those that he will need to deal with once our troops leave. Probably a smart move.

Karzai is fully aware of the fact that once the coalition troops leave the Taliban will return to power. By aiding the Taliban in small ways, he's just trying to insure his survival.

Failing that, he can always scurry away to live very well in Paris or London with the monies he's "appropriated" from all the aid over the years

It's game over. Let's get the hell out of there.

China is reaping the rewards let them take a crack at these nuts.

Do we really need the minerals that much.

poison the poppy fields and get out of there.

I have strong doubts special forces are responsible for any of this. However the Afghan troops working alongside them or the military contractors that answer to no one for anything illegal they do? I have no doubt they are the ones responsible. So Karzai wants the Taliban to have an easy gateway into Kabul so the Taliban can bomb away? Something's amiss.

Let's hope he smartens up and expels ALL US troops immediately and sends them packing and home.

Obama needs to pull out ALL of our troops from that sh1thole IMMEDIATELY. Then we can all watch Karzai and his cat litter box being flushed down the Taliban toilet. Nothing would please me more.

Probably go back to Texas not Paris ....

It is time to declare victory in Afghanistan since Osama and many high level Al Quaeda members have been killed and bring everyone home within 3 to 6 months. Screw Karzai and his government, we have spent to much in money, military deaths and injuries to continue supporting this POS.

Why do we keep giving financial support to Karzai's government?

We don't support countries and their people; such as aid to Africa feeding starving people. Our definition of "aid" is supporting governments and individuals who line their pockets on the backs of the American people.

Well, this is his perogative as a sovereign nation. The faster we get out of this country, the better in my view. Let Afghanistan take care of itself.

"and a separate incident where a student was taken from his home in the middle of the night and whose tortured body was found two days later under a bridge with his throat cut."

Americans don't cut people's throats...we shoot them in the head...

The time has come to get all US people out of there! Tey didn't want us there in the first place and we have literally wasted Billions on trying to help a country that does not our help.

Get our People out of there NOW, not in months!

citing allegations of disappearances and torture.

hhhmmmm...sounds more like taliban tactics and karzai has been in bed with them for a long time. Meanwhile...the people of Afghanistan get goose eggs.

Hey jack & Wds.

Americans don't cut people's throats...we shoot them in the head...

And then send them a bill for the bullet.

Right, the spineless administration that has taken it to the Taliban and Al Queda in Pakistan. That is so spineless they violated the sovereignty of Pakistan to go after Osama Bin Laden.

My disdain for administrations has no party prejudices, but didn't the other party's spineless administration also invade another sovereign nation, by the name of Iraq, to go after someone? Don't they deserve a shout out, too?

Debi, Bush has been blamed for a lot of things he wasn't responsible for (obama uses Bush as an excuse for his own failures too much). But invading Iraq was a major mistake! Setting up the protocols that led to OBL's eventual death made up for Iraq a little bit.

But right now Obama is over his head in foreign policy blunders(S. Rice, Benghazi, Egypt, Arab Spring, Morsi, Syria, etc, etc, etc.... ) I for one believe that even Geo. Bush could do a much better job than our President-in-Training BHO!

Why are we not surprised? I really think it's high time that we do unto our enemies as they have and still do unto us. We don't know what those troops are dealing with day in and day out. I say whatever it takes to make it home to your love ones. Being a retired service member myself and having served in combat I support them (the troops) 200 percent.

More likely, they are interfering with Karzai's brothers drug cartel.

Why are we even making it our business to be there? What have the countries of Iraq, Pakistan or Afghanistan done to our soil?

I am tired of reading about this Afghan ahole, wake me up when he is hanging from a bridge like a roasted weenie. We are wasting the lives of good Americans over scum......

Karzai is helpless

Karzai is hopeless

But invading Iraq was a major mistake! Setting up the protocols that led to OBL's eventual death made up for Iraq a little bit.

Nothing will ever make up for the illegal invasion of Iraq. While Saddam was there, Iran had no chance of being there, now, I'm sure Iran is all over Iraq. Thanks Bush, but from all the readings of Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz, from the late 70's, they were contemplating this happening than, invading Iraq for oil.

Why are we still paying Karzai?

moshuluu, you must be one of those 'low information' voters Rush Limbaugh always talks about! Get a reality check!

The last man out should cut this man's throat and let him bleed to death slowly. This is what we get when we intercede and arrogantly think we can change centuries of idiotic behavior. Next time we have to go there, it should be by the air and with enough megatons to ensure no one lives there for years.

Afghanistan is FUBAR, we would be better off if we packed up and left taking all our equipment and aid with us, they wont survive anyways, our reason for going there to begin with was to disrupt Al Quida and get Osama, that's done, now China is moving in to exploit the region let them protect it. we will never get our investment back, Obama blew it and now China is in the door no stopping them now, let them support Afghanistan. Obamas policies are working so well, how the hell did China get their foot in the door? we should have let Russia have the damn country, along with Pakistan, none of this would have come to be. of course there is a list of should haves a mile long for that region.

The $420 Billion and counting is enough for the head of Osama Bin Laden, an old fart sleeping with whores. Even now, with "only" 66,000 troops left in Afghanistan, the war is triple the size it ever was with Bush, and costs $66 Billion a year.

Bring 'em all home and cut off Afghanistan. The place is gonna' go back to the terrorists anyway, and Karzai has been in on it from day one. At least stop the bleeding of American treasure.

Use the money to buy the food stamps for 47,000,000 hungry Americans. Stop borrowing from China.

For those of you who were not there, Iraq had the weapons, shipped the weapons out, and still had the weapons. We found them, other entities covered it. Please, do not speak of things you know nothing about. What I saw with my own eyes was not a lie. Now, have we wasted too much of our money trying to help these idiots, YES. We have 2 options here, tell him he is full of crap and we will move out when we feel like it. Got to have a set for that. Or we pull out every last troop. I am sorry, he can't have it both ways. Land all of our planes, load everyone up, and stand by for on huge welcome home party. The hell with that portion of the world.

As far as invading Iraq, it was the right thing to do. Oil world wide is traded on the US Dollar, when Saddam Hussein decided to trade his oil on the Euro, he needed to go, his family needed to go, and those close to his regime needed to go, just to set an example. If he would have been allowed to remain, in all probability a number of other countries would have followed suit, like dominoes. Add to that the financial situation in Greece, and the effect of that on the Euro, well, I hope you like paying over $20 a gallon for gasoline. The American people suffered enough having fuel prices drive the economy into recession, no need for additional damage.

My entire opinion on Afghanistan, is, we should have never set foot there, except for a clean up operation. I believe strongly in the scorched earth policy in offensive combat operations, bomb the enemy, light them up with missiles, nuke if needed, anything needed to obliterate all infrastructure, including the population. Don't even leave a cock roach alive! Done, finished, end of problem!

As far as OBL goes, it's hard for me to believe he wasn't taken down at Tora Bora, the US built that complex, we had the intel. When I was in the Army in '70, we had the capability of putting a clandestine operative within effective range of anyone, anywhere in the world, within 72 hours, it's hard for me to believe we lost this capability. There has to be a reason the corpse was never shown, and offending Muslims, just don't cut it, especially considering they drew first blood with 9/11. It is fairly easy to find a similar cadaver in a combat area that would match the dimensions, wrap it up in cloth, and dump it in the sea.

As far as Karzai goes, I'm all for pulling the plug, then go back and do it right, we still have a few BUFF's, B-52's, and a bunch of ordinance, use it!

Let's just pull ALL of our troops and ALL the money we are sending over there. Then let Karzai have his way. But don't let him run to another country when the Taliban come back in power in his country.

Karzai, enjoy your last 18 months alive. Once we leave you'll get a cold chop, a assassins bullet, or be blown up. Even if you bug out with ISAF. Dead man walking.

Hmmm... Now is the time to leave - and - without any further delay. Just pack up everything and leave; AND, oh by the way, blow up, burn or otherwise destroy all the equipment we cannot take with us. Leave nothing behind that could be used or sold for scrap. Destroy all of the landing pads and runways. Yes, I agree with poisoning the poppy fields, or at least find another way to damage or destroy those crops.

The entire country of Afghanistan, and all the people in it, is not worth the death or injury of one more U.S. soldier.

The political and military dummies in the United States have absolutely no recall that the Soviet Union tried to even things out with Afghanistan's lunatic warlords for 10 years, at a cost of $Billions$ and thousands of dead and injured, and FAILED.

Mr. Panetta, Mr. Obama, it is time to poop or get off the pot.

See? This is the end result of a COIN "hearts and minds" strategy. It never works. An Army has to KILL it's way to victory. Once that's been accomplished, the stooges that the CIA put in power NEVER behave like this Karzai idiot.

Afghanistan,(unlike Iraq), was a righteous endeavor. I have no idea why we didn't commit the resources, and demonstrate the political will to actually win. It makes no sense to me.

BRING OUR TROOPS HOME OBAMA!!!.just like you said you would....remember?

ENOUGH of this crap. Bring all our troops and our equipment home and cut all aid to this 2 faced loon.

Or are those in Washington on the other side???

I strongly supported our original intervention in Afghanistan, but once we got Osama Bin Dead & most of his upper henchmen it was time to leave. I could give a sh-t less what happens to their country or their people now that we have buried the original garbage. Bring our brave soldiers home now, their job is long since done.

SteveH USA

Yet another 'friend' who has learned that our spineless administration is too weak to object to any of his orders.

obama's policies are enpowering our 'friends' to turn their backs on us (Egypt, Libya), and enabling our enemies to become bolder (N.Korea). America is now being bullied by friends and foes alike! This may be the liberal's agenda for the USA, but not mine!

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Steve, please provide us with fact-checked substantiations for each one of your claims.

And how deep do you expect the US to get further involved in places like this? Do you believe we can afford to be everywhere and precisely how you want this nation to be, and makes what said as true, just because you said so?

Do you have an understanding of international relations, history of the region, the diplomacy agreements made between countries during a time of war, and the limits of what any nation can or cannot do? Do you have control over what Karzai wants or says or what you want him to say or not say? Or the US Special Forces? Do you have control over what private merc contractors in the region do? Or what individuals in the Afghan Army do? Or the Taliban?

Do you even understand the ulterior motives of the players involved, and if you do, then you must have an intimate insider's track as to what they are secretly thinking and covertly believing. Or, you're all hyperbole, straw man arguments, misleading narratives, logical fallacies, and wishful, malicious assumptions.

So which one is it? And again, provide us with fact-checked substantiation -- without citing op-eds, without citing cherry-picked data, moronically oversimplified solutions, appeals to misplaced patriotism or blogger opinions -- for each one of your obviously emotional, reactive claims.

Now it's quite clear you hate President Obama or anything non-conservative, given your past statements and your choice of avatar. We got that. So how do you believe your personal bias, prejudices and political blinders promote any workable solutions onto what goes on as to what individuals choose to say and do, on the other side of the world, outside of your insulated life?

It is past time to get out of Afghanistan... Karzai is a drug dealer and a bum...

We should not waste one more US life in that country... We need to bring all of our troops home and spend the money rebuilding our country and not the country of a bunch of illiterates...

Withdraw the troops and the foreign aid. PAKISTAN TOO!

Karzai has always been anti American, our young men and women die for his cause and he continuall berates them and the US, our troops do not do what he is claiming, he is a drug dealing rag head, always was, always will be.

Time for us to pick up our toys and go home. Let them get back to killing each other.

I'm thinking this is kind of handy. Imagine Karzai being able to capture, torture and make people he didn't like or who were against him disappear, then blame it on US troops. When US troops finally leave, he can make it look like he kicked us out and come off looking like a hero. Who knows, this could even have the backing of the US government.

We should withdraw ALL of our troops from there and stop all financial aid to Afghanistan and to Pakistan as well. And it is time to stop giving them Visas to come here. Let them all stay there and kill each other.

@FruVegge

What's that got to do with this story? Iraq is over with, and the story is about Afghanistan. That particular talking point is out of date. Time to update!!!!

As long as we can fly drones from somewhere in the area, Northern India would be good, lets get out. Let China worry about it, Karzai's government sold them the mineral rights, let them spend their military capital defending the minerals. Karzai's execution video will be on the internet within weeks if we withdraw completely. If AQ and the Taliban set up training camps and HQ there again, screw their sovereignty, just bomb the hell out of them. The people will miss us soon enough, when the Taliban is killing and terrorizing them again.

Time to bring our troops home by the end of 2013 !!!

Sometimes I wish I were a pure idealog, to be able to convince oneself that one's actions were right and the best decision. (See Scott Peck, The Road Not Traveled)Namely, that the least sensitive among us have a somewhat easier time of it relative to moral judgements. Myers/Briggs would probably call that a "J" personality, one able to make quick and decisive judgements (and live with them). Who really knows if Karzai has any sort of moral code that we would recognize. He should look familiar, however, since he operates on that familiar mechanism that many, if not most, of us do, namely: Utilitarian Ethics: that which works ( and works most efficiently) is the right action; the decision to allow moral imparetives to be compromised and eventually come to just think in those terms: if it gets me what I want; it must be right or good. Karsai has always tried to distance himself of US leadership and, as others have said, is merely making the political move which will do him the most good after we are largely gone. I personally wouldn't want to be in that position. It might be time for him to step away from the card game and go and live off of the corrupt monies he has hoarded over low these many years...at one time a Big Oil executive to savvy president of a country (of sorts)...sigh...

Okeeboy,

How awesome to see you've safely returned from your top secret mission vacation overseas doing exciting deadly activities against our enemies most folks can't imagine!dream of!Look at all this exciting international response news as a result!

Hi Antistupidity...great to see you about these parts! Love the comments, keep em up!

I say if they don't want us there, let's do what somebody else did.Load up a bunch of airplanes with stuffed teddy bears, Winnie the Pooh, even Smokey the Bear, strap on the Holy Koran, and parachute them all over the place. Then when the Taliban come running out in outrage, send in the drones!

Yep I know it's a dumb idea, but hey, at least the kids might end up with toys.They sure aren't getting any of our humanitarian supplies or funds, right?

Let's hope he smartens up and expels ALL US troops immediately and sends them packing and home.

If Karzai believed the accusation, that's exactly what he would have done. Why would he trust any of our specical forces if any unit of them behaved this way? We ought to just follow his cue and remove them all.

Why do we keep giving financial support to Karzai's government? I guess he's pocketed enough of our money the last 5 years that he can now order us out?

Yet another 'friend' who has learned that our spineless administration is too weak to object to any of his orders. And more fallout from the 'Benghazi Flu' scandal!

-Robin hot in NM

I agree Robin but see that some koolaid drinkers are still in denial about Obama's lack of leadership in Foreign Affairs and in many other areas. Rather than debate your points, the cowards 'collapse you'.... typical modern liberals!

Lets hope the sequester kicks in and gets us out, 'cause the politicos for sure won't, too much money involved for them to relinquish the reins.

Obama is losing credibility as a leader all over the world and at home. His approval rating here is the lowest of any other President at this point in the 2nd term.

This stain on America is spreading internationally and don't be surprised if other foreign leaders besides Karzai start disrespecting him too! I'd include N.Korea in this too, but they're just batass redwig from Roselle crazy , and would act like they are with any US President.

1. The CIA had been fixing foreign elections via drug money (they sell drugs) and arms dealing for decades. This isn't a secret to anyone who bothers to research the subject...most of it is public knowledge and declassified. No, it isn't a conspiracy theory, nor am I a conspiracy theorist. Inconvenient and uncomfortable facts are still facts.

2. The CIA helped Karzai, or sanctioned Karzai, fixing his own elections in Afghanistan. He's our puppet, and all his anti-America talk is just propagands for our public and his domestic populace. That's what nation-building is...it's COIN (counter insurgency)...a strategy meant to put puppet regimes in place that we control. It's achieved in two ways; "Scorched Earth" or "Hearts and Minds". Neither has worked very well or lasted very long in the history of warfare. Scorched Earth makes the populace hate you, so you have to be able to murder a huge number of them (like how England genocided stateless Ireland's male population by about 40%). Hearts and Minds only works when you get the populace to like you, and that isn't very easy when you occupy their land, kill their friends and family, and prop up an umpopular government. The latter strategy has worked more often than the former...but still it succeeds far less than 50% of the time it's tried. Nation-building is a failed strategy in warfare, PERIOD. THe best way to win a war is to go in once an eminant threat presents itself, or once attacked if you missed the threat beforehand, kick the crap out of the enemy AND THEN LEAVE. Let the enemy's populace deal with the chaos that ensues and re-assemble themselves into whatever form of government THEY choose. History shows less lives are lost via that method than nation-building for 7-12 years, and the people there resent you less. If they act up again, smack them down again. Eventually they wil learn to quit touching the hot stove.

3. THe Taliban never attacked us. They are a domestic force repelling invasion forces. They are tyrants, but self determination of nations means they can self determine bad governments. UNless they lash out it isn't our problem. WE went there to take AQ, and to displace the Taliban from power for refusing to hand them over to us. We did that in the first 2 years of the war. After that it was just nation building. We do not need to keep the Taliban permanently out of power to have displaced them and taught them a lesson, not do we need to keep them out of power permanently make our citizens safe. It's a bait and switch in the media to go from AQ being the target to making the TAliban the target. The dimwitted public has seen the two as synonymous for too long. If we leave Afghanistan then the Taliban ceases to fight us. It's that simple. If they hide AQ, it's only a problem if AQ attacks us or is an eminant threat to us. The South still has Klan members (a Congressionally declared terrorist organization since the 1800s who have killed far more Americans than AQ)...we don't occupy the South still and kill every man with a white robe. Bad ideas aren't able to be murdered out of existence. In fact, occupying the South would have led to more recruitment for the Klan. It's best to go after those who plan violence likely to be carried out and leave everyone else alone. It has worked to make the Klan a joke, and it will work with AQ. Occupation and offensive wars are aiding their recruitment efforts.

George Hayduke Sr

Yes, it's truly a pity that we don't have a foreign policy juggernaut like George W. Bush to lead the way!

Nuts, I shot coffee out my nose laughing when I typed "foreign policy juggernaut" and "George W. Bush" in the same sentence. Now I gotta wipe the keyboard off.

But it was worth it!

GI JOE-1977278

@FruVegge

What's that got to do with this story?

It has absolutely nothing to do with this story. Liberals are programmed to just blurt out nonsense every so often.

You notice they never seem to condemn the fact that more of our troops have been lost in Afghanistan under Barrack Hussein then Bush.

Where are all the war protests we saw daily on PMSNBC and CNN? Where is the running death toll of troops at the bottom of the screen that CNN so proudly displayed while Bush was in office but mysteriously disappeared as soon as Barrack Hussein took over?

Where is Cindy Sheehan protesting outside of Barracks house in Chicago like she did in front of Bush's ranch for months at a time? I suppose she feels it's more dangerous in that war-zone called Chicago that Barrack did so much to help as a community organizer. I hear you might get shot for no reason out there.

It never amazes me about how much Liberals linger about the past when it pertains to their propaganda against Republicans or Conservatives but in the sam breath they claim to be so "FORWARD"! Funny how they never seem to mention that cluster-f**k called Vietnam either. The war they loathed so much and then waited at airports to spit on our returning troops. Of course now they're all about the troops, baseball, apple pie and Chevrolet.

Hypocrites!!!!!

With regards to Afghanistan we should be doing four simple things right now.

1. Tomorrow, Secretary of State John Kerry, (if he isn’t busy supporting more foreign aid like he did in his first speech last week in Virginia) should announce he is travelling to India to create a new strategic alliance between them, with their nuclear arsenal, and the U.S. This should get the attention of Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iran.

2. On Tuesday announce we will begin to surgically carpet bomb all the poppy fields in Afghanistan, yes, even the ones they think we don’t know about. That should put a dent in Al Qaeda’s and the Taliban’s economy.

3. Announce we are diverting all the foreign aid that we usually send to Afghanistan, Pakistan, Egypt and any other “unfriendly” nation to Israel to offset all the F-16’s and Abrams tanks we sent to Egypt.

4. As our troops are being withdrawn all of the infrastructure we provided the Afghani’s will be destroyed.

Hell, we lost this “war”, we might as well go out with a bang.

Afghanistan: The graveyard of empires.

gunner:

For those of you who were not there, Iraq had the weapons, shipped the weapons out, and still had the weapons. We found them, other entities covered it. Please, do not speak of things you know nothing about. What I saw with my own eyes was not a lie.

Would love to hear what type of weapons "you saw with your own eyes" and what lie you were told about how they got there.

Don't you find it odd if we legitimately found something, that legitimately got there, other entities wouldn't be the only ones covering that new, especially with this country feeling as though our government lied to us. It would have been huge.

This is the perfect excuse for getting ALL of our people out of that dung heap. The hell with 2014 bring our troops home now.

BTW: JimSpence, I totally agree with your time line and plan of action. Just one thing I'm a progressive; not all of us think we should be supporting countries that hate us, so please stop with the liberal stuff and please stop apologizing for Bush. Lets face the truth, Bush was a friggin train wreck................ all liberals, progressives and conservatives for that matter do not come from the same mold, in the end we're all Americans.

The U.S. should accelerate the withdrawal of all of its forces from Afghanistan.

That's the thanks you get for helping those knuckle draggers.

This was a war. We never conducted it properly from the get go. In war, one does not pussy foot around. You go in and kick the livin dog crap out of your enemy. We have been there far too long, and trying to conduct a humane war. To hell with it, just smoke their asses and call it good They were the ones harboring and assisting terrorist groups, and tyranizing their own people. Those same terrorist groups attacked innocent people all over the world and made the wrong call and attacked us. They deserved nothing more than to have that country bombed into the stone age for their indiscretions. I say just back out and leave that country now. let them fend for themselves, and if the tyrants reclaim power then just bomb them into oblivion. There is no place in the world for any country that allows for these kinds of people to flourish.

JimSpence...(((STANDING OVATION)))

They don't want us there to "win the hearts and minds" of the people. LET"S GET OUT!

Hmmmm, torture and other acts against humanity karzoi says. Could war crime charges be brought against Obama? Many obama supporters think that bush2 is a war criminal in these regards, I wonder what excuses will be offerred up by them for Obama?

I always thought that there was little difference between the policies of bush2 and obama. Even if one looks at the "boots on the ground" vs drones the lines still become blurred hoping that the countries are forged into one of democracy. (USA style).

Looks like the world is learning well from our Failure In Chief.....he blames Bush, and they blame us.

LOOK AROUND YOU!!! See all the "Get Out Now" comments? From BOTH ends of "the political spectrum", as well as from the middle. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, someone in this neck of the woods has slipped a few mill under the table to Karzai to say this, in order to create an "out"? Sure, we should leave, sure, there's nothing in it for us OCCUPYING Afghanistan and never was. I like the idea of leaving rather disruptively...destroy everything we've brought that cannot be taken out, take out everything that can, and destroy the poppyfields.

BRING OUR TROOPS HOME OBAMA!!!.just like you said you would....remember?

Getting in is easy. Getting out is never so easy.

a student was taken from his home in the middle of the night and whose tortured body was found two days later under a bridge with his throat cut.

Looks like more Taliban bullying and scare tactics in order to terrorize defenseless citizens, like with the child Malala and many others. We all know that the Taliban is against education of women and against free speech and personal liberty. But what some still ignore is the fact that while the Taliban was born in Pakistan, it flooded Afghanistan, and they are the reason why we’re still at war in that country.

We all need to remember that Pakistan was born in 1947 from a secession from India. It was created as an independent nation for Muslims from the regions in the east and west of India where there was a Muslim majority. In other words, Pakistanis are peoples of India, who seceded from main land mostly for religious purposes. After the secession, the country has seen terrorism, poverty, illiteracy and corruption.

The recent atrocities we are seen with rapes and torture/killing of women (some as young as children) in India, might explain the culture of a country as backwards as our present world society can get.

"and a separate incident where a student was taken from his home in the middle of the night and whose tortured body was found two days later under a bridge with his throat cut."

Americans don't cut people's throats...we shoot them in the head...

Unfortunately this quote is not totally true. Obama's hitmen JSOC has done exactly what has been described in the article, all over the world no less. There is proof that they struck and killed a family in Gardez Afghanistan. When they realized they had the wrong house(house of the local police chief) as the women and men were dancing. women had their faces uncovered and were listening to load music. All these are signs that they were not Taliban or AQ. After realizing their mistake the JSOC special forces dug the bullets out of the victims as some others not killed watched. They then tried to make it look like an AQ attack. When it was exposed Admiral Mcraven came to the village/home and offered a goat as a payoff for the murders.

I also feel these same forces may have been responsible for the murders that are blamed on SGt Bales.

Folks here should check out some of the investigative reporting done by Jeremy Scahill. He has been to Yemen, afgahn., Pak and many of these other countries

check out stuff on thier own, no they wont do that, they are addicted to the lies of the corporate media (democrats and republicans) Obama is no worse than Bush and vice versa.

ProIndividual-3906907- Hallelujah, and freakin' amen!

I wish we could just focus on using EVERY energy resource already available to us, in ways not detrimental to the environment, so we could be done with the Middle East altogether. If we stopped throwing money at that unstable hellhole, maybe we could throw money at better/safer ways of accessing our own offshore oil, at the same time throwing money at supporting every kind of renewable energy resource. We need energy independence, and I think getting it with political/military intervention in other countries is the wrong way to go. And since China is poised to be the next great oil consumer/polluter, let them expend their military to protect that oil.

This is good right?? But are you sure they weren't Jewish terrorists dressed as Americans?? They have been known in the past do this kind of stuff...just saying...you know they have attacked more than several times to start a war and fight it on their manipulative behalf!!

Oh thank GOD we have Kerry and Hagel to the rescue!

**rolls eyes**

This all seems very suspicious on Karzai's part. Right out of the blue, and after several discussions (with whom?) he orders out of a hot zone the very people who provide the blanket of security he covers himself in.

Karzai has a history of ridiculing the U.S. effort in Afghanistan, and never fails to do it in public. The man is an ingrate. The sooner we can get out and cut ties with that cesspool and its president the better. And about cutting someone's throat; wait until the Taliban shows up in his office with a razor-sharp dagger, his last words will be "Amnerica, come back"!

BigAl Las Vegas

so please stop with the liberal stuff and please stop apologizing for Bush.

Why is it that whenever I compare the hypocrisy of you Liberals for your incessant blaming of Bush for everything you think I am apologizing for Bush?

I’m a Reagan Conservative-Constitutional Originalist-Fiscal Libertarian, I could give a rats a$$ about the pathetic Democrats/Liberals/Progressives/Republicans/RINO’s or the Establishment.

The Democratic Party went buh bye decades ago. The Kennedy years were as close as it’s been since. Unfortunately he was erased due to his true Democratic ideals. If you think he was killed because of some delusional gunman in a building you don’t understand how powerful the banking cabal, lead by the Federal Reserve, backed by the CIA and driven by the Vietnam supporters, really is in this country. Why do you think we keep bailing them out at the smallest provocation? The Kennedy assassination still baffles me. We had a massive investigation into “whoodunit”, the Warren Commission, yet to this day no one can give a simple answer of,,,,why was he killed? Many claim he was a Progressive. No, he was a true Constitutional Originalist. The Constitution demands we allow our government to do only what is limited by Article 1, Section 8. That’s what Kennedy wanted. Unfortunately since FDR’s “Revolution of 1937” (stacking of the Supreme Court) we have allowed the Constitution and more importantly Federalism to be spit on.

Republicans had a chance with Reagan of uniting the nation once and for all, but as usual they waved their white flag of surrender from the pressure of the most profligate spending and Progressive Speaker of the House, Tip O’Neil. They tried to assassinate Reagan also, did we ever find out “why” for that one either? Could it be his influence with Margaret Thatcher and Pope John Paul II (who also had an assassination attempt) to end the massive cash cow known as the Cold War?

Hell, we even had a chance of Independents/Libertarians becoming significant with Ross Perot. The only true capable businessman who understood the significance of a fiscally responsible government, smaller government and vehemently opposed NAFTA with his famous “giant sucking sound”. How prophetic was he?

Lets face the truth, Bush was a friggin train wreck...

Granted. But how many people in this world could have even imagined the horror of the 9/11 attacks. Our own government admits, that even with all its intelligence and army of “alphabet agencies”, it never even dreamt an attack of that magnitude. Today we see the reality of that one day as terrorism has enveloped the globe in its satanic ideology. Yes, he made mistakes, so did many other presidents. I’d love to see most Americans confronted with that level of atrocity. I think Fruit of the Loom would be a sound investment.

I’ll stop apologizing for Bush when you Libbies stop apologizing for Barrack Hussein.

Hell, Friday we found out that he has been lying to us all again about the “sequester”. He’s been blaming Republicans when he Rob Nabors and Jack Lew were the ones that created this disaster. Bob Woodward disclosed this and can even tell you when it happened.

They did so at 2:30 p.m. July 27, 2011, according to interviews with two senior White House aides who were directly involved.

Funny isn’t it? PMSNBC, NBC, CBS, CNN or any of the other major networks haven't run a single article about this. Have they?

............. all liberals, progressives and conservatives for that matter do not come from the same mold, in the end we're all Americans.

Yes we are. But then why do we call some “Americans”, African Americans or Hispanic Americans or Asian Americans or any other hyphenated nonsense? Because your Progressive driven political correctness demands it. And then you wonder why our nation is divided more ways than can be counted? We have “wars” on crime and drugs and poverty and illiteracy which have been abysmal failures. Now we’re adding new “wars” on women, guns and any other issue that will gain political favor. Everything is a “crisis”! And if there isn’t a crisis handy the political parties will be happy to create one for you.

I appreciate your candor, but your “party” ( Democrats, Liberals, Progressives or whatever the flavor of the month is) and the other “party” (Republicans, RINO’s and Establishment) are the problem, NOT the solution.

Like it or not, the evidence is all around you.

If you’re willing to look.

lots of crazy stuff here kinda crazy where this world is heading

I'll make it simple for all of you. Republicans have been wrong since Reagan left, any argument you have with a Repub they always go back to Reagan. Sorry folks but Democrats have been right since Reagan. If it wasn't for Bush taking over after Clinton the country would be far from the debt we have and we would not be in these wars plain and simple. The current trend is PEOPLE ARE VOTING, the Republicans don't want people to vote cause they would lose every election, why do you think so many "RED STATES" have so many voting laws. THERE WILL NOT BE A REPUBLICAN PRES for a long long time mark my words. :)....except RON PAUL i'd vote for him hes not a war craving, rich pleasing, close minded, back woods thinking, racist, oil addict, against women rights Republican like the majority of them :) now come on red necks i mean, inbreed, I mean tooth less close minded funny talking southern uneducated confederate flag sticker on giant truck Republicans fire back :)

President Hamid Karzai has ordered that all U.S. special forces must leave Wardak province, just west of Kabul

Well, it looks like the US Military has worn out their welcome in Wardak. US soldiers will now have to go to another province for R&R.

Any chance that President Hamid Karzai could wish the Taliban out of Afghanistan?

Can't win them all, it's time to Pack it up and leave, that mean every American along with our Money .... Our guys have nothing to be ashamed of they fought the GOOD FIGHT with one hand tied behind their backs.

It's Bush's fault! Oh wait... Owebama is president - we all keep forgetting that. Yet another failure by our clown-in-chief. This guy has screwed up everything but a cup of coffee. Fortunately he has four more years to get to the cup of Joe.

YAYY ! It is High Time somebody in that Afgan government has finally told the USA government to get the US troops the hell out of a country that should not have been occupied IN THE FIRST PLACE. The US Military was never really there to "keep peace" or to protect and serve. There was NEVER a meaningful fight to be fought in Afganistan. The US Military was always there to usurp Afgan resources, pure and simple.

If you think the US Military is anywhere in the World to "keep peace", you are naive little butt-boy. Patriotism serves no useful purpose when the US Military exists to usurp the resources and kill and maim the people of the lands it occupies. I cut through all the Bull$hit; it is High Time for ALL my fellow 'merkins to get with Reality and do the same.

High Time to get the troops back to the USA, and defend the border along Mexico, THE WAY THE BORDER IS SUPPOSED TO BE DEFENDED.

Monday morning quarterback.... they have ALL the answers -after the game has been played. Now all they need to do is build that frinken time machine, so they put their "plan"in action.

Debi, Bush has been blamed for a lot of things he wasn't responsible for (obama uses Bush as an excuse for his own failures too much). But invading Iraq was a major mistake! Setting up the protocols that led to OBL's eventual death made up for Iraq a little bit.

But right now Obama is over his head in foreign policy blunders(S. Rice, Benghazi, Egypt, Arab Spring, Morsi, Syria, etc, etc, etc.... ) I for one believe that even Geo. Bush could do a much better job than our President-in-Training BHO!

.... Gotta love these here "experts".... but Shrub - now he was special. He was warned, told by damned near everybody, No boots on the ground in the Middle East - ever. He said... don't worry, I got a secret, cunning Plan, we'll be in- n - out quicker than a teen age boy on his 1st date.

Funny thing happened on the way to the forum... it was still going on when he left... Say what you will, excuse it all you want, but GW didn't clean his plate, he never funded the war he started and worse than that, he never told us how much he was spending. So he doesn't get dessert.

It is a total outrage that US government is still propping up Karzai the Crook. OUT NOW! Let these barbarians go back to stone age, where they belong.

Party affiliation is irrelevant because those in power who engage in war, reap the spoils.

How much and what spoils have those in power reaped?

My my, it looks like the Taliban need us out of their hair so they can continue their operations working with Pakistan AND Afghanistan. I agree, let's call this operation from here on out, "The Day of the Drones" That includes the end of all funding, including humanitarian(And that really makes my stomach twist up to even think of such an idea!), like it really ends up helping those in need that often.

The only problem I see here is, our Commander in Chief has old friends from his days of childhood and the financial backing he got, and keeps getting into his political career.Why, they even helped him get his first home. How patriot of he and his wife.Shucks, think he would extend that kind of program to more Americans struggling with their mortgages?(double face palm!)

Now damn, that's gonna make it just a tab hard keeping him sending funds to the wrong places, huh? Oh well, he did say we needed to keep a military force in the area in case some of those nasty evil terrorists dudes might ever grow too big again. I guess Afghanistan ordering us out of their own country might do the trick for Americans sick of U.S. presence in Middle East "hot-spots" of Taliban activities.

Then again, how do Afghanistan officials " know" American soldiers committed the crimes they are accused of? How does one figure out Americans caused bodies to vanish, or tell if a throat was cut by one who was an enemy or friend? Is it the width of a cut, angle. Is there a right or wrong way to kill someone like before or after sunset, during a full moon? Oh, wait, I know. The throat was cut trying to make the victim stop sharing answers, or is it the other way around, after learning everything one needed to know? Doesn't matter, the enemy would have fled, while the friend is still here, perfect scapegoat! Let the people see, justice is being done. Do they sell popcorn and drinks in the Middle East?

The US has shipped planeloads of cash to Afghanistan to use in payoffs to corrupt officials and warlords. What a waste of taxpayers' money. Afghanistan is totally meaningless in the mix of global affairs. We should get completely out of that rockpile and stop throwing money away there. If we have a problem in future, just send over a few drones and fix it. Time to rethink our priorities.

Let's get out from this useless country and it's BS president. By the way, stop any and all financial or military support to this sand-digger country. Let the Taliban have that piece of garbage.

Afghanistan has mineral deposits that technology countries want. That is what the issue is all about now. China is probably in Karazi's ear telling him how much money they will give him to get the Americans out so they can mine the minerals for their own use.

one thing for sure - IF the Chinese come in, they won't put up with any shiite

Hey Jack & Windsongdancer,

Is it safe to use the Vine again? LOL

Wonderful to see old friends again. Keep up the good fight.

put a fork in it, chinese will not put up with any bullshiite.

The Chinese approach is strictly business when dealing with countries whose resources they need. They pay a fair price for the resources they extract, and throw in some highways, rail lines, schools etc to sweeten the deal. They deal with any government whether it is a democracy or corrupt dictatorship, and never complain about government oppression of the people. If there is a coup or revolution, they don't take sides, but continue the business relationship with the new government, whatever form it takes.

They have no need to control their sources militarily and save a lot of money that way.

That philosophy works well. On the other side, we try to be the world police and turn their country into what we FEEL is the better government. That produces enemies and has for 50 years now.

so who is making these accusations the Taliban? haven't we been hear before at times when we were in their way, why do we deal at all with that crazy schizophrenic SOB.

Gunner,

I heard the exact same thing from friends that were there, too. It was a bunch of smoke and mirrors, but that's about all they would say about it.

Okee Boy

Hey Jack & Windsongdancer,Is it safe to use the Vine again? LOL Wonderful to see old friends again. Keep up the good fight.

And here I thought you were on the Carnival Ship that lost power down in Mexico! LOL! It's been awhile and hope all is well! Godd to see ya back

This is a lost war and country, as much as i'd like to see them bombed back beyond stoneage, I guess we just better out now and regroup for the next time we go back, which we will, history has a strange way of repeating itself....

The Taliban is threatening him pretty good.

why arent you concerned about who is pulling the string in this country because it surely isnt the american people ? people like you are why this country is going down!

Karzia is just trying to position himself for the day, hopefully soon, that we get the heck out of there. The guy is obviously a heroin addict, you can see it in his eyes and expession, and is just looking to survive wih his pile of american 100 dollar bills.

Our guys did what they were told to do, bust up Al qaida, it is not worth any more american blood to stay there.

jeff... Our guys did what they were told to do, bust up Al qaida.

How's that going? Benghazi...Syria...Africa...Libya...Iraq....do I go on? Sheeeeeeeeeeep.

Larry, last I understood is that the USA is last on the list to even see any of these natural resources.

Karzoi probably has the U.S. number 1 on the list for opiates and nothing else.

He's kicking American forces to the curb so he can get his hands on the poppy trade.I think that we should oblige him.If the Taliban takes over again then it is up to the Afghan people to fight back.We should arm their regular citizens as we are leaving.

cleaning lady...karzai is already been measured for an obscure hole in the ground, i hope its soon...

The "Over/Under" on Karzai's life expectancy after all US troops leave is 30 minutes. The 3-5 favorite on that is UNDER.

When Bush & the UK invaded Afghanistan in 2001. The Taliban had almost eradicated opium growth according to the UN reports @ the time...

It has been under the UN & USA/CIA rule that the opium growth has reach levels never seen in the history of Afghanistan...

Obviously Karsai has something in Warzak that he wants to hide. The stuff he is describing sound suspiciously like Taliban Chickensh!t action. I say we give him exactly what he is asking for. Roll out of Warzak, and at the same time roll out of his whole POS country. We went in for the right reasons but it has been long overdue to leave. We are the unwilling, doing the unwanted, for the ungrateful.

Time to pull out the specialists protecting Karzai too. I could not care less what happens to him. Afghanistan could hardly do worse with someone else at the top.

Since both the Afghanistan War and the george war in Iraq were illegal, I think this is a good time to completely cold turkey pull out. If there are equipment like tanks aircraft that will take longer than a week to get out, leave the keys, fill the gas tank then walk away.

While we are at it, since the United States DOES NOT RULE THE WORLD, lets pull ALL troops out of ALL Nations NOW!!! We do not rule the world!!! Why do we have troops occupying other nations anyway? IF our allies need help, we help them then leave we don't stay.

The United States of America is NOT the WORLD POLICEMAN! Bring ALL troops home NOW!!!

And thats my opinion.

typical american idiot!

Just watch the movie lawrence of arabia...its going to be the same when we leave....thetribes will be killing each other...good, the only good afghan is a dead one....karzai will be on the talibans ace of spades...

Bush and the UK turned the Afghanistan 'Nation Building' over to the UN and 52+other Countries, DEC 2001...

It was Obama that declared this his 'Just War' (2009) and doubled and then doubled AGAIN the US Troop Levels and placed his 'Hand Picked' General in charge (2010)...

Obama has since FIRED TWO of his 'Hand Picked' Generals, after they publicly stated that a POLITICAL WAR was NOT winnable...

Only the UNINFORMED still think Bush has anything to do with the current Afghanistan/CIA Policies...

The principles of a 'Just War' were first articulated by theologian Augustine of Hippo in the 4th C. and later refined by theologian Thomas Aquinas in the 16th C. "Just War" principles describe what needs to be true before a nation enters a war (jus ad bellum), and what needs to be true about how the nation does the war (jus in bello).[3]

To be considered just, these things must be true before a war is to be launched (jus ad bellum) [4] :

• 1. the war must be declared openly by a proper sovereign authority (e.g., the governing authority of the political community in question);
• 2. the war must have a just cause (e.g., defense of the common good or a response to grave injustice);
• 3. the warring state must have just intentions (i.e., it must wage the war for justice rather than for self-interest);
• 4. the aim of the war must be the establishment of a just peace;
• 5. there must be a reasonable chance of success;
• 6. force must be used as a last resort; and
• 7. the expected benefits of war must outweigh its anticipated costs.

Once a war is started, for it to be considered a just war these things must be true during the war (jus in bello):

• 1. the warring nation's actions must be proportional to its combat objectives,
• 2. they must produce more good than evil for both sides,
• 3. the warring nation must discriminate between soldiers and noncombatants...

Obviously Karsai has something in Warzak that he wants to hide. The stuff he is describing sound suspiciously like Taliban Chickensh!t action. I say we give him exactly what he is asking for. Roll out of Warzak, and at the same time roll out of his whole POS country. We went in for the right reasons but it has been long overdue to leave. We are the unwilling, doing the unwanted, for the ungrateful.

Magnum Serpentine, how is it that the wars are illegal? Isn't that getting old?

He will end up with a bad ending.

I think US Special Forces should expel Karzai.

Based on "allegations?" And, in a key province yet. I think it's time we vamoosed out of there. But then, who'll guard China's precious metals and minerals mine? And, what about the oil pipeline that everyone was lined up to build in the region? Who will control that? It may very well be about the bounty lying within and outside the boundaries of Afghanistan; and, it's never been about "freedom" at all.

Just saying.....are we going to have a time paying China back as they've bankrolled us.

Right on Noelle, lots of question to which answers we are not privy. Just send us the bill!

Except, I think we ought to skedaddle out of there.

Just Like Iraq, The cried that is was our military presence causing all the bombings, kidnappings and murders.. Guess what, that crap is still going on daily as it has for 1000 years.. The VC and NVA did this kind of crap and had planted villagers blaming it on US troops.. Not to say during the war things did not degenerate to guerrilla fighting at its worst.. Russians and Germans did this by dressing in American and British uniforms during WW2 and doing kill sweeps..

If Afghanistans forces could not be trained in 11 years, what good is another year and a half going to do and if they cant handle the job why should we give them money? and now that China is stepping in and being welcomed by Karzai, and being allowed access to what resources they want then why not let China foot the bill they are the ones making the profit on this deal, wake up Mr O! and take back all the property Karzai bought in Dubai with our tax dollars while you are at it.

Mr. O does not have enough brain cells to think that far!

Mr O...squats to pee....he's up to his ass in alligators and theres no one to pull him out of the pit...

like 100%

LOL....

the american goverment is as corrupt as they come! you dont know that? how can karzia be anything but corrupt?

the american goverment is as corrupt as they come! you dont know that? how can karzia be anything but corrupt?

Well, I'll have to tell ya that the corruption came in earnest, to the U.S., just as the Industrial Revolution took hold with all of those self made (off the backs of the working poor) Millionaires Like Morgan, Rockefeller, Astor, Mellon, Vanderbilt and the two dozen other corporate thieves. Our friend Mr. Karzai and his Ilk in that rectum of the world have been at it for millennium. THEY are the experts at screwing, not only their family members and relatives, but just about any goat humping herder who's path may be crossed. In other words, yes we have corporate whores and everyone knows it. The difference here is the fact that THAT region of the world excels at it by a factor of at least a hundred.

So you ain't telling anyone anything when you spout off about the "Bad ol' American Government" thing. It's old news now.......besides.......we're talking about Karzai and Afghanistan.

This corruptness in the U.S. government has been going since before 1776....it just gets bigger with each administration, the only way to stop it is with a "big" asteroid hitting the planet...

whereswaldo just convinced me that he is quite the idiot- no more responding to you. I would not want you no where near me or my family. why talk about karzia like our goverment is not corrupt or take the log out of your own eye then you can see clearly or something like that.

whereswaldo just convinced me that he is quite the idiot- no more responding to you. I would not want you no where near me or my family. why talk about karzia like our goverment is not corrupt or take the log out of your own eye then you can see clearly or something like that.

???..................

This corruptness in the U.S. government has been going since before 1776....it just gets bigger with each administration, the only way to stop it is with a "big" asteroid hitting the planet...

If you study my statement, you will see the phrase: "......started in earnest,..."

Every country can boast their own history in regard to their level of corruptness. My point, being well made, was the fact that some places excel in it more than others. And Afghanistan is a 'shining star' in that regard. Of course some on this blog would choose to vilify the 'Great Satin'

Fair is fair. No more American dollars flowing to Afghanistan; rather to Karzai who's feathered his own nest over more than a decade while his people go wanting. What a horrible man feeding at the trough and seeing to his own self-interests! He's been more than disingenuous in his comments as he's blasted away at the U.S. Now, my hope is for this administration to smarten up and tell him to go straight to hell!

get out of thier country then!

We deserve the blame under the INEPT, D*CKtatorial rule of the POS Pretender-in-Chief....

Exactly. It's like we're pouring money down a bottomless pit.

Get our guys out ASAP !

Only a liberal would want to stay where he is not wanted, so I see the perfect opportunity to walk away from Karzai and the whole stinking mess, when someone says get out of my home the only appropriate thing to do is leave, and not go back, we were told to leave by a country that does not want our help lets oblige them and depart 100% troops, money, everything equipment ambassadors lock stock and checkbook. China's going to take it all anyways, Obama saw to that. at least he never did anything to prevent them from walking in and helping themselves. another sell out, oh well. strange nobody except Russia ever wanted a thing to do with that backwards relic of the 7th century until we go in and build airports and roads introduce them to infrastructure and show them that there is more to life then playing soccer or polo with your neighbors head. now the Afghanistan people have had the opportunity to raise one educated generation now they can decide what they want and make it happen the way they want without our involvement, its up to them. Karzai is a little one sided, it seams that the Taliban never does anything wrong, they must be angles compared to the U.S. forces stationed their to harass people just trying to live their lives.

only a liberal would stay where he isnt wanted? what an idiotic comment! Bush and cheney lied us into these wars and the republican congressmen are the greatest obstacle to us leaving!

Goldnrule:::: It was the Israeli intelligence that got us into this mess that Bush believed in,those are facts that no one dwells on!

My turn Wi: You are absolutely correct.

GodBlessUSAForever

Lets bring all forces home now and all of our money with them.

I agree 100%, but if I remember correctly our government already signed an agreement (last year) giving them Billions of dollars for the next 10 years of so. I hope I'm wrong.

If our administration had any balls they'd just shoot karzai, carpet bomb the taliban and any who sympathize, and declare it the 53rd state...then we'd have 3 more borders to try and protect and we can't even do that with mexico....

Pamsc

evacuating any ideas of financial stipends to Karzai and his country. The money should then be applied to pay down the US national debt.

Great idea, as those fund$ would go a long way to stop sequestration.

Except our present ruler would spend the money on anything but the national debt, he could care less about that, you are talking about a guy that is trying to force the senate to grant him a budget with no ceiling, so he can spend even more, you are talking about a man that has not accounted completely for 17 trillion $, I don't know where the money goes do you, and what is with the Hundreds of billions he is promising to give to the UN, he is taking from America to give to countries that don't take care of their own. and in the mean time we are going broke. and he is on his 2nd term and still no budget for any of the past 4 years or the one coming up. what happened to all the money the financial institutions and the car manufactures paid back if it was paid back then why do we the people still owe that money? must be because someone turned around and spent the money on something else. or did someone simply give the money away. besides Sequestration is Obamas baby he created it and he is playing it, by 2016 we will be done. all he has to do is sit back fold his hands and wait to see his dream come true.

DBuck...(((STANDING OVATION))) You are spot on, except we will be done LONG before 2016....

good luck on nobama bringing home the money, if he did, him and moochella would just take a longer vacation somewhere...

right alongside bush and cheney. the two idiots that lied us into this war for profit. lets see how many congressmen and their families and associates have profitted off these wars? how could you be so dumb?

Yep!, just like these guys got us into Iraq

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of
biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."

-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has
proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as
long as Saddam is in power."

-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002"One way or the other, we
are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction
and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."

--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force,
our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's
weapons of mass destruction program."

--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has
proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as
long as Saddam is in power."

-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the
United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam
Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction
in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."

-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left,
intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his
chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his
nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists,
including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked,
Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and
chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."

-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein.
He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He
presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to
miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued
deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the
threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."

-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

but those guys did not make the decission to lie to the american people and actually start the wars that is the only difference between all those corrupt politicians you just named. And I wonder who was pulling the strings on them? And for that reason I would never support any of them you named above. People have the nerve to be considering hillary for president, what a dumb country! all are crooks that are taking money and making decisions to benefit themselves

Bush ,cheney and anyone else that supported thier lies should be in prison ! republican or democrat!

@ Hardcoffee you are aware that liberals are not required to consider the facts just appoint a scapegoat to take the blame, you are wasting your time in attempting to show them that their Idols made mistakes, and that they are wrong, it will never take its written that only republicans can accept responsibility and Liberals, socialist and democrats shall remain blameless, pure and loved and in no way implicated in failed dealings especially when it comes to war and failed government programs and policies such as the housing bust that Nancy P and Barney F dumped on us, when that happens they are required to find a republican to point their nasty little socialist finger at and shout he did it! its true and you and I know that the Democrats were right in the thick of everything that happened on those matters, but they are above blame. they also were the dominant party at the time they controlled the senate, people forget. but I doubt come 2016 people will still be blaming Bush for the state of the nation. and Hillery will be to far gone to win, its true Bush did make some mistakes like listening to Pelosi when she told him there were no problems in the housing market. and its reasonable to assume Obama has been relatively free of making major mistakes simply because he hasn't done anything that shows yet but give him time, he will break us all but he needs to get off his vacation first in order to make a mistake you first have to attempt to do something in order for it to fail, not all democrats are bad don't get me wrong its the wing nuts the socialist and the liberals that make them all look bad like the extreme right makes Republicans look bad.

D Buck-22395 are you a liberal? You just did exactly what you accuse liberals of doing. Blaming pelosi, barney frank and several others that did not have the authority to send us to war. the quotes even though those qoutes maybe true those people were not the commander in chief! Pathetic!

Blaming pelosi, barney frank and several others

He was not blaming Pelosi & Barney, its a fact they did it

Gold; The President cannot send us to war without the authorization of Congress!!!!! The Senate is also involved in it but the Congress is the one who authorizes it!!!

So I guess it is franks and pelosi who did it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe you should learn how declaring war works in the USA before making your ignorant comments!!!!

And the British tried before the Russians. The mountainous country makes it a difficult place for a war. Take ALL our stuff. every last piece of plywood and 2 b' 4 and bring everyone home. and keep our money, too. Same with Iraq, if we have anyone left there, as well. And Korea.

The Russians didn't get out much faster than us and were there for 8+ years as well and had less success than we have had but then again what do you win? A wasteland from the feudal Middle Ages....time for all countries to get out of Afghanistan. Let them rule themselves their way and we accept it. If they threaten others outside their borders, we just do a few drone and bombing runs to set them back in place....

it would be great if it was only 99%

@ Artie is that caused from inbreeding? Ill bet they all have the same DNA.

GTFOOA now!

that place needs to be turned to glass

Our drone happy president might do just that. I only feel sorry for what will happen to the poor innocent animals.

To say that any country should be turned to glass based on lies shows how far the intelligence in this country has gone. So very christian of you?

Say that the next time they imprison some missionaries. They can turn the other cheek as their heads roll through the dirt.

BTW, the person saying that has seen their country first hand. It wasn't based on lies, but personal observation.

Are you referring to the animals they slaughter or the dogs that they enjoy mutilating and torturing its no life for a animal in that part of the world, they like to carve on dogs when they catch them, cut off a ear or remove some flesh don't kill them right off make them suffer. those people make the mental patients in state hospitals look sane. what I don't understand is why do some people want to bring them over here to live.

goldnrule needs to be dropped off there then turn it into glass

Kevin McM the world would be better off without the likes of you! To nuke a whole country of men,women and innocent children for what? and because I dont agree kill me also , where did you get those morals from? you are of your father the devil. I am a human being and will treat others as human beings, animals dont even kill indiscriminately like that. Have you no conscience? tell me one thing the people of iraq or afghanistan have done to you. I will not allow others to make me hate or kill another person for thier profit.

Shut up

It would be Great if Somebody took the Butt Hole Hussein out.

Which Hussein are you referring to Alan, is it anyone we know? Sodam is gone so are his son's. you do know that the government screens all these post and have your account info.

DBuck who do you think you are? Go away and shut up.