Pope changes Catholic law to allow earlier start for conclave

As Pope Benedict XVI prepares to step down from his position in a matter of days, Italian newspapers are reporting rumors of blackmail and conspiracy. NBC's Anne Thompson reports.

Pope Benedict has changed Catholic Church rules to allow the conclave that will choose his successor to be held earlier if cardinals are ready, the Vatican said Monday.

In a motu proprioin effect, a personal decree – he introduced modifications to the laws governing the timing of the secret election, which had been due to begin on March 15 or later.

Pope Benedict XVI officially stands down from his role on Feb 28, having resigned earlier this month citing his own failing health.

A conclave – the behind-closed-doors ballot of cardinals – cannot begin within 15 days of the papacy becoming vacant; in this case, March 15.

But the amendment to that rule, announced on Monday and reported by Vatican Radio, means the process could begin earlier if all the eligible cardinals arrive in Rome sooner.

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Joseph Ratzinger became Pope Benedict XVI in 2005. Look back at his life from childhood through his papacy.

The date of the conclave's start is important, The Associated Press reported, because Holy Week begins March 24, with Easter Sunday March 31. In order to have a new pope in place for the church's most solemn liturgical period, he would need to be installed by Sunday, March 17 — a tight timeframe if a conclave were to start March 15.

The number of cardinals eligible to take part reduced by one, from 117 to 116, on Monday after the sudden departure of Britain’s most senior Roman Catholic, Cardinal Keith O’Brien, who is facing allegations from priests of “inappropriate behavior.”

The Observer newspaper reported Sunday that the Vatican had been notified of the allegations, which stretch back 30 years.

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  • 1 vote
Reply#2 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:30 AM EST

the same person wo uses this forum for advertising, is a person who does not have the ability to engage in a discussion, he/she lives in their own little world of make believe;

as for the Pope, he is in very bad health and can not even walk anymore, without help, he is doing the correct thing in retiring, he well knows the west and the church are under attack from the new movements which want to erase all history and impose their new world order on all humanity.

  • 4 votes
#2.5 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:22 PM EST

Never cared for a man of God that took part in the Nazi movement during WWII.

Regardless whether he was a teen or not, he could have fled the country. I'm

a devoted catholic and even my grand parents would have been upset with his

appointment.

Even in poor health, previous popes had camerlengo (assistant) to aid the pope.

  • 1 vote
#2.6 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:53 PM EST

TB7140 How bout' using some of those christian values you apparently have, Mr."devoted catholic",and get off your high horse!

He was a 14 year old boy, he really had no choice. And if you think he could flee a dictated country on his own at that age your out of touch with reality!

  • 4 votes
#2.7 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:19 PM EST

Zandog. My grandmother left Poland at the age of 13. By herself.

  • 2 votes
#2.8 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 4:16 PM EST

shocker!!...pope changes rules to hide pedophiles....no, wait.....

  • 1 vote
#2.9 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:28 PM EST

I wonder if the time will ever come when humans stop leaning on fictitious beliefs as a crutch for their own sad and, sometimes, evil behavior.. I mean, come on, we've been using God (in one form or another) to excuse our hideous treatment of each other and the other animals on this planet for thousands of years now, it's time we grew up and started laying the blame right where it belongs, on our own shoulders!

It's really time we stood on our on two-feet and recognize, if there is a Creator, He or She doesn't need or WANT our money, doesn't need or want our kneeling worship in multimillion dollar churches and cathedrals.. You would think now, in the 21st century, people would understand this and, yet, we STILL build these stupid, useless buildings instead of using the millions they cost to benefit people in this world who have nothing!

If you want to pray to God, do what I do, close your eyes and say what you want to say.. I don't need some outrageously expensive building to do this in nor do I need some silly little men or women in robes and habits to do anything for me.. Really, I can do my own worshiping without anyone else's help and in no way, shape or form will I ever go out and MURDER another person because some religion or book tells me I have to!

I would love nothing more then to see religion, as it is today, abolished completely! Let people do their worshiping inside the privacy of their home and leave the politicking of the different religions in the garbage where it belongs!

    #2.10 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:42 PM EST

    anyone know if they will be flying in little boys for the pre and post election parties...or will they only be using the locals???

      #2.11 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:35 PM EST

      Spatman

      Zandog. My grandmother left Poland at the age of 13. By herself.

      Keyword Poland!!!! This is nazi Germany were talkin' about join or die!

      Get real man!!!

      • 1 vote
      #2.12 - Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:24 AM EST

      pope, cardinals, bishops, priests change the rules to suit themselves whenever they want. It's the rest of us that are expected to follow every silly little rule to the letter. Especially women, for whom those rules are oppressive and designed to keep us from having any equality at all, much less power in the rcc.

      bishopaccountability.org "survivor's accounts"

        #2.13 - Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:14 AM EST
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        Talk about a guy wanting to get out of Dodge , ( Vatican City), fast......It seems that he can't wait to retire.

        • 12 votes
        #3 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:35 AM EST

        I hope you work (Shiloh) till you are 85 and people say the same about you. He had an accident earlier and hurt himself. At least he is not like some people in power that just won't let go ( some of our Congress people), that also includes some of the people in sports.

        • 9 votes
        #3.2 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:16 AM EST

        Another ignorant statement. His changing of when the conclave begins doesn't change the date of his retirement.

        This changes he made doesn't hasten his leaving. Do some reading.

        • 5 votes
        #3.3 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:19 AM EST

        Pope's normally die in office. There hasn't been a "retirement" in 700 years. Keep making excuses for the devil incarnate.

        There are none so blind as those that will not see.

        • 3 votes
        #3.4 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:29 AM EST

        Shiloh,

        His permanent home will be in the Vatican after his new and much smaller quarters are being renovated. Until that job is completed, he will be at the Pope's summer home, Castle Gondolfo.

        What are you hinting at?

        • 2 votes
        #3.5 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:29 AM EST

        Debi-1314897, if he were the anti christ he would probably stay in office so he could lead more catholics astray.

        Use some logic you stupid ignorant troll.

        • 5 votes
        #3.8 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:09 PM EST

        Normally I don't wish evil or ill on people but that Tamara has got to go. and people like her that think they can dominate the social media with their decrepit advertisements. I come here to read decrepitopinions not advertisements. Tamara is worse than a freeloading socialist liberal commie, or just as bad anyway, Tamara set up your own web page and get out of here this is not your free ride.

        • 3 votes
        #3.9 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:14 PM EST

        Debi-1314897, if he were the anti christ he would probably stay in office so he could lead more catholics astray.

        Don't kid yourself, Zandog. If he stayed in office, he risked being arrested and imprisoned, which any anti christ worth his weight in salt would do anything to avoid.

        • 1 vote
        #3.10 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:35 PM EST

        Debi-1314897

        If he stayed in office, he risked being arrested and imprisoned

        By who? He's a sovereign head of state. By retiring, he won't be.

        If you're not a troll, let it be known what your religion is. Does it preach that the Pope is an antichrist?

        • 1 vote
        #3.11 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:59 PM EST

        Don't kid yourself, Zandog. If he stayed in office, he risked being arrested and imprisoned, which any anti christ worth his weight in salt would do anything to avoid

        Nooo don't kid yourself, deborah. They would never arrest their own pope. The antichrist loves decieving people and if he's worth his weight in salt he would love the influence the pope has. You are a mere tool of his deceptive plan you foolish woman!

        • 1 vote
        #3.12 - Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:16 AM EST

        The pope is nothing christlike; in fact, if Jesus came back today, he wouldn't even recognize him, nor the religion, the church, the costumes, the money and greed nor the harming of children.

        Who's really fooling whom?

        • 1 vote
        #3.13 - Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:24 AM EST

        I agree, Jesus would be disgusted with the sickos within the church but He would still recognize the true catholics in His church and those who follow His religion. Also I'm sure the Pope is Christ-like because you don't become the rock of Christ for no reason and he is certainly no antichrist(his actions of late especially prove that).

        I think you are fooling yourself Debi. But remember this, It is never to late to return back to God your Father. He loves no matter what.

        • 1 vote
        #3.14 - Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:53 PM EST

          #3.15 - Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:54 PM EST

          Zandog:

          Continuing an argument with a fool, would only make two.

          So long and hope you find that imagined heaven.

            #3.16 - Tue Feb 26, 2013 4:22 PM EST

            Agreed.

            Hope you find God

              #3.17 - Tue Feb 26, 2013 5:55 PM EST

              Hope you find God

              If he truly exists, he'll find me, and it won't be through the claims of writing a book (bible) or whispering in somebody else's ears or dreams.

                #3.18 - Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:46 PM EST

                Debi I don't expect you to believe this but it may be an interesting read for you. If the link doesn't work just copy it into your adress bar. Also I am sorry for calling you those rude names I lost my temper lol.

                  #3.19 - Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:22 PM EST

                  http:// fatima.ageofmary.com/hell/letter-from-beyond/

                  http:// fatima.ageofmary.com/hell/letter-from-beyond/

                    #3.20 - Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:37 PM EST

                    Zandog:

                    Apology accepted. I hold no ill will towards you or your beliefs. People who believe in a god or some higher supernatural power actually have hope that there is something better once they are free of this tumultuous world, and that's not a bad thing. What angers me is to witness the cruelty perpetrated by those who use and take advantage of the vulnerable believers for their own gain of power and money; i.e., the RCC.

                    Thanks for the links, but I was born into a Greek catholic family of which two of my great grandfathers were priests and attended catholic school. I am very familiar with Our Lady of Fatima and do not believe the Vatican was honest about what the letters contained. If the one letter truly dealt with the assassination attempt on the pope, why did they wait so many years and after the attempt, to reveal its contents? It doesn't make sense and I believe it was the churches attempt to connect the pope to Our Lady of Fatima:

                    "The Vatican withheld the Third Secret until 26 June 2000, despite Lúcia's declaration that it could be released to the public after 1960. Some sources, including Canon Barthas and Cardinal Ottaviani, said that Lúcia insisted to them it must be released by 1960, saying that, "by that time, it will be more clearly understood", and, "because the Blessed Virgin wishes it so." When 1960 arrived, rather than releasing the Third Secret, the Vatican published an official press release stating that it was "most probable the Secret would remain, forever, under absolute seal." After this announcement, immense speculation over the content of the secret materialized. According to the New York Times, speculation over the content of the secret ranged from "worldwide nuclear annihilation to deep rifts in the Roman Catholic Church that lead to rival papacies."

                    Do I believe the three children witnessed a sighting, spoke telepathically to the entity and were given messages? Yes, but just as some undiscovered tribe in the Amazon witnessing a white man flying in a helicopter and landing for the first time would consider him a god, it's very possible what the children in Fatima witnessed was not supernatural, but merely otherworldly. We would have to be very arrogant to think we are the only ones existing in this vast universe and have not been already visited.

                      #3.21 - Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:59 PM EST

                      Debi,

                      Your very welcome! I can see where your coming from, I too always wondered if other civilizations were created somewhere in the universe but it always hurts my head to think about it lol. I won't dismiss your opinions though and I completely agree that some parts of the vatican need a thorough cleaning. God will judge all in the second coming though, which I get the vibes isn't to far off. I hope we're all prepared for it when it happens. Again though, I'm sorry for being rude and I hope you and your family have a great week!

                      • 1 vote
                      #3.22 - Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:48 PM EST

                      Same to you, Zandog.

                      • 1 vote
                      #3.23 - Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:43 AM EST
                      Reply

                      The cloistered coven awaits him, the pope is most anxious to move his coffin, of course he's in a hurry.

                        Reply#4 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:38 AM EST

                        What?

                        • 2 votes
                        #4.1 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:29 AM EST

                        john algarme don't think too hard, you might hurt yourself.

                        • 1 vote
                        #4.2 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:46 PM EST
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                        If nobody else has figured it out - he's just trying to game things to make sure his hand-picked successor follows him.

                        Think North Korea here.

                        It is all about his attempt to continue with the mindset of the 16th century and not bring a more modern candidate forward.

                        No liberal is going to be elected pope – just another stuffy shirt who hides pedophiles and wants women barefoot and pregnant to make more Catholics.

                        • 13 votes
                        Reply#5 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:41 AM EST

                        All the cardinals should resign. They have all been tainted by controversies that they have either caused or done nothing about. Pope tweets on real reasons for stepping down – “no one was listening to me.” Read sorrysods.com for his full confession. See rationalexaminer.com for why the Church has become irrelevant.

                          Reply#6 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:57 AM EST

                          What did the big guy give you how low does your chain hang, how many rings do you wear little rodzzz?

                            #6.1 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:45 PM EST
                            Reply

                            Rush, rush, Ratzinger. If not, there will be no cardinal left for the conclave.

                            • 3 votes
                            Reply#7 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:00 AM EST

                            And funny, isn't it, how the popes can change some rules/traditions, but anything that has to do with women is "beyond their control."

                            • 1 vote
                            #7.1 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 4:04 PM EST
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                            if Jesus himself showed up and offered to be pope, the conclave would not make him pope...Jesus is far too liberal to lead the catholic church.

                            • 14 votes
                            Reply#8 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:10 AM EST

                            Jessica this is a a great observation. Jesus was about change in the old way of doing things within Jewish Law. Jesus was, according to the old testament the fullfillment of the old law with his coming as "Messiah." Even our calendar year is based on his birth year. Yet look what happened to Jesus, he was put to death on the cross for his radical ideas. Two politics were involved in his crucifixion, that of the state and that of his own religion Judaism. Actually the state "Pontius Pilate" could not find a reason to crucify him and turned the case over to the public (Jewish state) who chose Barabas to free and Jesus to crucify. This is why for many years there was so much hatred of the Jews by Christianity as the Sanhedrin (like college of cardinal) and Chief priest Caiphus (like the Pope) because it was felt they were responsible for the indictment and crucifixion of Jesus.

                            So you see Jessica, we are stupid humans. We all tend to go back to our sinful ways of power and corruption. The Catholic Church today although different in its teachings than the Jewish religion shows the same dynamics at work in the 21st century as there was in the 1st. Therefore, there is no human man alive today willing to "rock" the boat and make the changes so necessary in the Catholic Church in the 21st century. Even Peter, denied Jesus 3 times when he felt his life could be at stake when questioned if he were a apostle of the radical Jesus.

                            I had been a practicing Catholic for 50+ years, however over the past 4 years, I have fallen away from the churches teachings. I am sad and lost. It is unbelievable how much harm has been done by those who were preaching but in effect not practicing the faith. To whom much is given, much will be expected. The current College of Cardinals need to reflect on that when considering the next pope. As a Christian, I do hope that they will be inspired by The Holy Spirit to choose someone who is not afraid to walk in the shoes of Jesus Christ. Jesus talked about keeping some Jewish law, but he also talked about establishing new laws that break with tradition, like, taking an animal out of a well on the Sabbath, or not being so obsessive about koshering everything you eat. He said that it is more important to do the right thing (take the suffering animal out of the well) and said that it is not so much a man is corrupt from what he eats, but from what is in his heart and what comes out of him.

                            It is time the Catholic Church changes it's laws and allows priests to marry. They would be better priests. This is a law laid down by the Pope not Jesus. I feel it was made a law to control land holdings and wealth. It is time that women were allowed to be priests. The church says no to women as priests because they claim, Jesus did not have women apostles. Jesus did have women who were his followers, but in the male dominated society of the time, men would have more of a chance to move freely within the society to spread the gospel. As it was, most of the apostles were martyred eventually. Women would have had less of a chance.

                            Jesus is alive in the world today in the form of "the Holy Spirit." As I write this, my prayer is that he will somehow give us a new Pope who would rather walk in the spirit of His law which is wisdom, love and compassion instead of red Prada shoes! Amen.

                            • 3 votes
                            #8.1 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:20 PM EST

                            People think to much and believe to easy what they can see have some faith for god sakes. Take Christianity for what it is, a guide, please stop acting as though its irrelevant. Christianity hasnt hurt anyone, people hurt people, humans are not perfect stop pretending everything should be perfect within Catholicism .

                            • 2 votes
                            #8.2 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:46 PM EST
                            Reply

                            How about enacting another rule? No child rapist protectors will have a chance at my job! Too much to ask?

                            • 12 votes
                            Reply#9 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:15 AM EST

                            He has the full authority to do it. What's the story here? The Church was not created in the image of American Democracy. Who questions amendments to our Constitution? The reason why NBC news is getting swept by other organizations is that it distorts and promotes its bias viewpoints. Continue on this path NBC and watch your Ad revenues shrink, and your relevance to journalism become even more insignificant.

                            • 5 votes
                            Reply#10 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:20 AM EST

                            Are you threatening NBC? Have you threatened to walk away from a pedophile-cover up organization yet? What would it take? Priests boiling and eating babies? Would that do it?

                            Do you know what the Dunning Kruger effect is?

                            • 6 votes
                            #10.1 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:25 AM EST

                            @Atheist

                            I notice you post a lot of anti-Catholic feelings. It is unfortunate that you know so little about the Catholic faith. I would like to ask you a question though. What does an atheist believe happens to them after they die? I am serious. I don't know any atheists, and I have always been curious as to what their belief system is regarding this matter. Thanks.

                            • 2 votes
                            #10.2 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:07 AM EST

                            Atheist, it appears your religion is hate. What I don't understand is if you do not believe why your obsession? If you think you are appearing superior, guess again. Over a billion Catholics are prying for your pitiful sole.

                            You didn't nor do your children have any chance of being molested by a priest. Further, on the child molestation issue, children are much more like to be molested by a relative or a friend. I also remember back in the 80's that hysteria broke out about day care centers. Seemed that once they accused one, everyone looking for a quick buck accused them. I'll bet many of these accusations are just that, gold digging.

                            • 2 votes
                            #10.3 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:53 AM EST

                            Well, I can't speak for any Atheist other than myself. When you die, you die. It's over, just like any other thing that dies. I think it's only human ego that thinks we are worth more and deserve more than any other form of life that exists or ever existed. Since, I think, there is no afterlife the point is to live in the moment, make our existence as perfect as we can for ourselves and everyone around us. Do no harm, give spontaneous acts of goodness and beauty and in the end we will complete the cycle of life and death like every other living thing on this planet.

                            • 4 votes
                            #10.4 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:00 PM EST

                            If finding the cover-up of child rape is anti-Catholic, then I am proud to wear that badge.

                            Nominal Catholics seem unwilling to wear that badge. A child with stolen innocence would appreciate it if you wore that badge rather than defend a criminal organization by your continued donations.

                            I think someone should invent a lapel ribbon that says I left the Catholic Church because I had to say NO to covering up rape on a global level. As a matter of fact, I am going to make one and wear it today. When people ask me, I will tell them why.

                            Who's in?

                            • 3 votes
                            #10.5 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:42 PM EST

                            DockPete, I don't have beliefs. I have reasonable expectations based on prior evidence.

                            Atheism says nothing about what happens when you die. Atheism has a VERY short definition. It means the lack of belief in gods.

                            It's up to each atheist to form their views about other things. The only thing that I know I have in common with another atheist is our shared lack of belief.

                            Understand?

                            • 4 votes
                            #10.6 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:48 PM EST

                            I see your point Atheist and understand where you are coming from , may I add something? the people committing these crimes are not true to the faith and are in the service of the church under false pretences, its more like the bad element chooses the church as a place to hide and pray on its victims and as far as the leaders of the church goes in my opinion they should come down very hard on these deviates that are hiding among them. as for you why are you in this forum, don't you feel a little out of place, kind of like a priest at a Muslim call to prayer, don't tell me you are working to change peoples beliefs because that would make you a hypocrite and a supporter of a anti religious religion. am I to assume that you are here to spread the word that there is no word to spread, that is some sort of a waste of time is it not? or at least counter productive! in essence you are saying that you have nothing to say, but you feel the need to share your opinion/ beliefs as you see them while telling others that they are fools to believe in anything. are you a liberal by any chance? now do you believe that space is empty or full? do you believe that there are multiple dimensions or only 4, is life all in your imagination or is it real, how many colors really exist is there a opposite spectrum, are there colors that you can not see, what is on the other side of a black hole and what is your opinion on the string theory, last but not least why cant there be a God. can you define energy? if 3 dimensions do not exist in a 2 dimensional setting then you living in a two dimensional setting would not be aware of a third dimension, so then you would not be aware of any other dimensions beyond that, is time relevant. the list goes on and on, all I can say is to not believe is the real definition of stupid, there is no end to the possibilities the universe has to offer one thing is certain man is one of the newest additions to it so we cant possibly be the most advanced can we, mayby you think you are but I'm pretty shure we are not.

                            • 2 votes
                            #10.7 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:12 PM EST

                            D Buck,

                            I don't care if they are "TRUE" Christians or not. They are TRUE criminals who are essentailly being protected by the undeserved collateral that religious faith banks from otherwise well intentioned people in society.

                            • 1 vote
                            #10.8 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:22 PM EST

                            Atheist,

                            Atheist,

                            Okay then what is your belief system?

                            What is "prior evidence"? Evidence of what?

                            What is your proof that the Catholic Church is a "criminal organization"?

                            Is every Priest, Deacon, Bishop, Cardinal, and even the Pope a criminal? Where are your facts to back up your statements?

                            What is a religious faith bank?

                            Who are the "well intentioned"?

                            What really is your belief system? I really want to know. Do you just die and become worm food?

                              #10.9 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:31 PM EST

                              He has the full authority to do it. What's the story here?

                              He also has the full authority to discipline or bring the pedophile priests to local law enforcement, yet he does not.

                              Care to comment on that?

                              Continue on this path NBC and watch your Ad revenues shrink, and your relevance to journalism become even more insignificant.

                              Will never happen with people like you clacking away on your keyboards daily on this site about how much you hate it. They thank you for the click thru traffic. You're helping pay the bills for them.

                              If you really want to show them, never post on this site or click any links ever again.

                                #10.10 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:03 PM EST

                                Pete, you're really not very good at this are you?

                                I don't have a "belief system". What part of that don't you understand? For instance, evolution explains where I came from (sex between ancestors) and physics explains where I'm going (decay). Heck, someday my atoms may be jettisoned out of our galaxy when the Milky Way collides with the Andromeda galaxy in the not so far future cosmologically speaking. These are sound scientific truths.

                                I don't accept these things (evolution, physics) on belief, I can fact check them today. I can't fact check the more advanced physics without taking certain classes, but evolution is a very easy biological principle to understand. Your insistence that I have a belief system is very much like a trick alcoholics use. Let me explain. An alcoholic will convince herself that she can have one drink because everyone else is drinking. In other words, part of being normal (her normal) is drinking. But obviously not everyone drinks. The alcoholic transplanted to an alcohol free environment goes through withdrawals and has a terrible time.

                                You are a belief-a-holic. You think everyone has beliefs (have you looked that word up in a dictionary?) No Pete, not everyone has beliefs.

                                As I said, I have reasonable expecations based on prior evidence. If you have evidence for your beliefs, let me know and I'll gladly accept them. But you don't have evidence Pete, and you know that. You're probably scratching your head right now thinking to yourself, "but I just KNOW this stuff to be true." Well that's called a belief Pete, and I don't share it. I am the teetotaler of beliefs. Understand now?

                                I don't accept things are factual simply because they are only based on tradition, revelation, authority. I don't have a creed.

                                If you feel you must peg me into a hole I suppose you could describe me as someone who looks at the world through the eyes of scientific naturalism. I can't think of a more beautiful way for me to live. I am very fortunate to have been able to shed the addiction that is faith. Very fortunate indeed.

                                • 2 votes
                                #10.11 - Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:48 AM EST

                                Daaaayum! atheist got owned by Dbuck! Right on brother!

                                  #10.12 - Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:36 AM EST
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                                  Wow, whatever is in that report must be a huge scandal. He cant seem to get out of there fast enough.

                                  He's just as despicable as the rest.

                                  Lets hope this is the end of the RCC.

                                  • 6 votes
                                  Reply#11 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:23 AM EST

                                  What is your real reason for wanting to see the RCC destroyed? How does this effect you personally?

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #11.1 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:22 PM EST

                                  Dockpete don't mind him. He's just a hate spewing, hypocritical, bigot.

                                    #11.2 - Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:39 AM EST
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                                    Great, a rule change for convenience.

                                    Coward! Why didn't he move so quick to remove the thieves and perverts that control Vatican City and the RC Church?

                                    He was old and could have made changes that were lasting before dying. Now there will be a 'younger' Pope who knows he will be in office for years and will not 'rock the boat'.

                                    Score;

                                    Prevs and Thieves 7

                                    RC Church 0

                                    • 6 votes
                                    Reply#12 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:24 AM EST

                                    Tired-of-it: What's a "Prev(s)?"

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                                    #12.1 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:57 AM EST

                                    It's called a typo juanita.

                                    I am pretty sure you knew they meant Pervs.

                                      #12.2 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:05 PM EST

                                      @tired of it.

                                      Back your opinion with facts. What are pervs and thieves? What are your facts. Please enlighten us with the truth.

                                      "Coward"? What do you base this on? Please back up your statements so we can know the truth of which you speak.

                                        #12.3 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:26 PM EST
                                        Reply

                                        I think I will run for pope.

                                          Reply#13 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:48 AM EST

                                          Are you qualified to be Pope? How many kids have you rogered, how many people have you swindled and how many dictators have you endorsed?

                                          Catholics have standards and traditions that must be followed.

                                          • 2 votes
                                          #13.1 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:44 PM EST

                                          Point please? Back it with truths.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #13.2 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:27 PM EST
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                                          Why the Pope Really Resigned
                                          www.pointsincase.com/columns/andrei-trostel/why-pope-really-resigned

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                                          Reply#14 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:49 AM EST

                                          They need to change a hell of alot more things!! This guy wants to get out NOW

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                                          Reply#15 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:49 AM EST

                                          Does "modern" mean to change catholic law to meet the desires of modern people? Any religion that changes right and wrong just to satisfy the people is not a religion I want to belong to.

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                                          Reply#16 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:52 AM EST

                                          Changing for modern times means no longer practicing pedophillia in the church. It has been with the church since its inception. It is time Catholics stand up to these tyrants and say this is not a Christian thing to do. Demand answers as to why these crimes have been covered up for centuries. A religion that sits back and allows children to be molested because that is the way things have always happened is not a religion I want to belong to.

                                            #16.1 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:47 AM EST

                                            phoebs,

                                            Do you believe that the Church teaches pedophilia?

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                                            #16.2 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:05 PM EST

                                            Your mistaking it for the Greek orthodox church. back door club.

                                            the bible written thousands of years ago in both Daniel and Revelations revealed this present day situation and goes on to say that the church will become corrupt and Christan's will be persecuted, and all the while it speaks of the seven hills and the beast with seven heads all referring to Rome so all I can say is prophecy is still being fulfilled so we are at the end of times as we know it, personally I think that that would be a bad time to lose the faith don't you? you get mad at a priest or a pope so you take it out on God? well I guess that will make everything right, you are aware that it is man that will be the cause of destruction and it will be God that will intervene at the last moment and after great suffering, death and disaster, prove to man how disgusting he really is, and how much man needs a helping hand, that's what its all about. so don't worry about the church worry about yourself and your personal connection to God as you know him. the church has its problems, don't fall down with it.

                                              #16.3 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:43 PM EST

                                              D Buck Amen to that!

                                                #16.4 - Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:43 AM EST
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                                                Screw the pope and the whole catholic cult

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                                                Reply#17 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:53 AM EST

                                                Don't forget TOM there are children in the RCC. Are you suggesting that they be screwed too? I thought that was what a lot of these morons were always complaining about. Other religions have the same problem, but the catholic religion takes the most hits, they are just more visible.

                                                  #17.1 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:25 AM EST

                                                  Tom, Tsk.

                                                  All religions are cults. Every one. Christianity is the cult of Jesus Christ.

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                                                  #17.2 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:06 PM EST

                                                  A cult is a group or religion that denies Jesus is the Christ. Christianity is a personal relationship with the risen savior.

                                                    #17.3 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:09 PM EST
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                                                    Amazing how they can change laws to suit themselves but never one for the common concern of all of us followers. You would think in this day and age when diseases run rampant, and the cold and flu abound they would do away with the old traditions of and entire church of a hundred or more people drinking from the same cup during every mass, even if it is a Blessed cup and making everyone shake hands for the sign of Peace that no one really in truth wants to do. Sorry we are without a Pope, but the masses are continued on a regular basis and things are not like they were a thousand years ago. Time for change in the entire Catholic process completly in my opinion.

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                                                    Reply#18 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:59 AM EST

                                                    You make some huge assumptions Crazeecat. You'll find that most of us want to shake hands and exchange a greeting of peace. Don't assume that everyone agrees with you. Some of us actually do extend peace to our brothers and sisters in all sincerety. Bring hand sanitizer if you're that afraid of germs. geez.

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                                                    #18.1 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:48 AM EST

                                                    You don;t have to drink or shake hands, that is your choice.

                                                      #18.2 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:56 AM EST

                                                      crazee,

                                                      The Catholic Church helps more people than any other organization in the world.

                                                        #18.3 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:07 PM EST

                                                        Crazee,

                                                        I won't comment on your spelling or grammar, it speaks for itself.

                                                        However, it seems you have been away from the Faith for some time. Really, what is your real issue? It certainly cannot be the reception of the Eucharist in both forms, or the sign of peace. You, like so many others on this "vine" sound like petulant former Catholics. Don't you realize that when Christ said, "you are Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it", He was not talking about the structures, or functionaries in Rome, but was talking about the faith in the Resurrection?

                                                          #18.4 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:39 PM EST

                                                          Some Catholic churches have adressed all of the problems you stated above specifically for the flu season! Seriously quit complaining about such petty things.

                                                          P.S. your a jerk if you don't want to make signs of peace with others.

                                                            #18.5 - Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:01 AM EST
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                                                            Some days I'm just flat out ashamed to be Italian.

                                                              Reply#19 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:07 AM EST

                                                              Some days, I'm ashamed you are Italian too! (sorry...just kidding)

                                                                #19.1 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:48 AM EST

                                                                Tyran,

                                                                Why? This Pope is a German.

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                                                                #19.2 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:07 PM EST
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                                                                It is amusing to read the posts here. It is obvious to me that only athiests and detractors who know nothing about Catholicism steriotype all Cardinals the same, all religions the same and have the most to say about that which they are the most ignorant.

                                                                For those "Catholics" who think they know about their religion......shut up, you are embarrassing your self.

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                                                                Reply#20 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:09 AM EST

                                                                They just want us to fight, @!$%#ing bastards need to wake up before their master takes away their gold chains and rings ;-)

                                                                  #20.1 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:57 PM EST

                                                                  Hey Jim, Please read my post. I am having problems with the faith I was raised and faithfully followed for 50+ years. I feel lost as my conscience is telling me I can no longer support an organization that pontificates but does not practice what it preaches. Had 8+ years of a private Catholic School education and feel I really understand my religion. I love Jesus. I follow Jesus. I am having a difficult time now because I cannot follow the Pope in the tradition of the church which says he follows in the footsteps of Peter.

                                                                  The RCC today is much like the Jewish Faith of Jesus's faith, so steeped in law's and tradition, with people at it's head who are too politically oriented to want to "rock the boat" to break with tradition. So here we are in the 21st century with an organization that is a result of man's need to create a hierarchy of power and position. This is the very thing Jesus came to do, to free us from the tyranny of old law's that make no sense and to focus on the most important law which is love God and love your neighbor as yourself. Jesus did not say to totally break away from all old testament law, but he wanted to change the "sight" and focus of the law to what is most important and make sense for living a good and "holy" life. Loving God and your neighbor as yourself is not as easy as it sounds. This is the great commandment. If you follow it and have a healthy love of yourself, you will certainly not do anything corrupt to your neighbor. All ten commandments fit nicely into this simple truth.

                                                                  Seems that those who are the heads of our RCC faith have greatly distorted the simple truth and have much to account for. They have abused not only the bodies of the faithful but the power of leadership passed down to them from Peter through Jesus. This is a great sin. I forgive them for you see I too am a stupid human being. However, this does not give me reason to blindly follow a faith who has eyes and yet cannot see. That is what Jesus said about people in his day. So, I rely on Jesus through the power of His most Holy Spirit that he will not abandon those who believe in him. So, I follow Jesus, The Way, The Truth and the Light. Pray for me Jim, lest I loose heart.

                                                                    #20.2 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:10 PM EST

                                                                    Inverway,

                                                                    I understand how you feel. However, you need to look back to what Christianity is really about. This whole argument about the Church and BXVI is not about the revelation of Christ in the New Testament. This is about the evil that is in our presence, and yes. within the Church. The Catholic faith is not about the edifices that were built, or the bureaucracy that exists. You only need to look at the OT and the Gospels and Pauline letters to know what the message of the Redeemer is about.

                                                                    Have faith. Read what is out there. I recommend George Weigel, Fulton Sheen, Moynihan, and any of the Church Fathers (Augustine, Jerome, Irenaeus, and others). Get a true sense as to what is going on in the Church. The postings you are reading have no basis in fact.

                                                                    There is scandal everywhere. Look at how our government is bought and paid for by the military- industrial complex. Why should there not be corruption in the Vatican? Because we hold them to a "higher" standard? Yes, we should, but they have failed. BJPII & BXVI saw, and see this. They are looking for a strong leader to right the ship. It may or may not happen, but Christian, Jew, Muslim, and yes, atheist, should be hoping and praying that it does happen. If we forsake God in all of this scandal, then we will be playing into the hands of the evil one.

                                                                      #20.3 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:57 PM EST
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                                                                      Same bowl second child raper then need to shut the doors give all the gold and silver up and strat a bingo joint. then the men of god could face the jail term like the rest of the as-oles.

                                                                        Reply#21 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:15 AM EST

                                                                        You comment is incoherent.

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                                                                        #21.1 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:21 AM EST

                                                                        nodak,

                                                                        How many would that be?

                                                                          #21.2 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:08 PM EST
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                                                                          I think that the Pope is so disgusted with what has gone on and still going on within the Catholic Church that he no longer wants the role. The recent revelations about homosexual romps with in the Vatican was just to much for his own soul to bare. So he is stepping aside to distance himself from the upcoming fall out. Stay tuned there's more to come. Bombshells waiting to go off and further embarrass the church.

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                                                                          Reply#22 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:19 AM EST

                                                                          Just like that ALL STATE commercial you can not put anything on the internet uless it is true. LOL at all the people who really believe that.

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                                                                          #22.1 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:00 PM EST

                                                                          The quick exit by the pope is a case of CYA. He doesn't care about anyone but himself or he would have done something to bring the pedophiles in his organization to justice instead of protecting them. Ratzinger wants out of town before the stuff hits the fans.

                                                                          The Pope only wants to save his own keister and attempt to keep the 8th century organization relevant because if he wanted to do otherwise he would have used his authority as the Pope to make those changes.

                                                                          It is amusing that the RCC teaches that tradition has a purpose and it must be adhered to, except when doing otherwise suits the church hierarchy.

                                                                            #22.2 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:57 PM EST
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                                                                            Pope Ratzinger rises from hitler youth to head of the Catholic Church. Who could possibly be next?

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                                                                            Reply#23 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:21 AM EST

                                                                            Ratzinger was NEVER A Hitler youth, you liar! He was drafted into the German military and deserted. That is exactly the opposite of what you claim. What a liar you are.

                                                                            This just goes to show, people hate God and will make up any lie they can. Well God does not listen to sinners and people to hate God are hated by God.

                                                                            Aslo Ratzinger NEVER headed the Catholic Church. As Pope he is the chief administrator, president of the College of Bishops and successor to Peter.

                                                                            Jesus Christ is the head of the Catholic Church.

                                                                            Get some education.

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                                                                            #23.1 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:29 AM EST

                                                                            Our GOD does not hate anyone even the ones who condemed him and make him out to look like a fool. The only one that will get you in a lot of trouble is the HOLY SPIRIT. Watch what you say about him.

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                                                                            #23.2 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:04 PM EST

                                                                            I have a feeling that both Gary and Marky Mark are getting money skimmed from Catholic Charities to pay them for their laughable PR work.

                                                                            Guys,

                                                                            Despite what you have been brainwashed to belive there is no god because man wrote the Bible, unless you can prove that your sky fairy ever fact-checked the supposed inspirations. Did anyone ever bother to tell you that the 4 Gospels were not written by the people that they are attributed to and nobody in the Bible ever met Jesus. Paul was a wandering lunatic and probably suffered from schitzophrenia.

                                                                              #23.3 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:04 PM EST

                                                                              @Snoop Marky Mark

                                                                              Ratzinger wrote in his own autobiography that he was indeed a Hitler Youth. After he was elected Pope, the Vatican denied it, but it is written there in Ratzinger's own words.

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                                                                              #23.4 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:14 PM EST
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                                                                              ha ha ha ha ha ha the old cult is slowly falling into the pile of **** that it is! Love it, what's even better are all the comments from the sheep jumping up to defend these fraudsters. Priceless

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                                                                              Reply#24 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:21 AM EST

                                                                              ??? where do you get your conclusion? Over 1 Billion catholics and your think the cult is going away. The cult as you put it will continue long after your are dust and worm-food.

                                                                              Care to make a bet on it? Huh? How about $1,000,000?

                                                                              I don't hear you taking my wager?

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                                                                              #24.1 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:26 AM EST

                                                                              Snoop.

                                                                              Do you actually have 1,000,000? Or is this more of the religious BS that says "have faith, I am what I say I am!"

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                                                                              #24.2 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:34 AM EST

                                                                              athiests are truly the saddest form people. They look for any oppurtinity to slander the church like rabid animals. If the catholic church found a cure for cancer they would still find a way to spew their vile hate.

                                                                                #24.3 - Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:13 AM EST
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                                                                                This change is not a good move. It helps the front runners and gives the cardinal-electors less time to get to know the more marginal (less-known) cardinals/candidates (not that they have to elect a cardinal).

                                                                                  Reply#25 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:23 AM EST

                                                                                  Snoop-

                                                                                  I've come to the conclusion that the Pope does not have the power he once had. It is and has been the Vatican itself. And I'm pretty they have already chosen the next Pope, it's just all formalities now.

                                                                                  Although I could be wrong.

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                                                                                  #25.1 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:45 PM EST
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                                                                                  I find it odd that he can just change catholic "Law" with a simple decree. But he canot change catholic "law" to actually bring the church into the current century.

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                                                                                  Reply#26 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:28 AM EST

                                                                                  He just did, get some education.

                                                                                    #26.1 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:31 AM EST

                                                                                    As usual, as a "true believer" you missed the point entirely.

                                                                                      #26.2 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:35 AM EST

                                                                                      In what way do you think the church should change to join the current century? The current century seems pretty filthy and corrupt, if you ask me. The church surely needs to clean house, as the American seminary is filthy with pedophiles, but we should not throw out the baby with the bathwater. The church has an obligation first and foremost to follow the teachings of Christ. If you look to the orders of women religious in this country (and worldwide) you will find that they do this.

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                                                                                      #26.3 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:53 AM EST

                                                                                      He is the Pope. He makes the rules.

                                                                                        #26.4 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:09 PM EST

                                                                                        Why do we need some man to tell us what the rules are? Aren't all the rules we need to follow in the Bible? I'm sorry, I just never understood the need for the complex hierarchy in Catholicism...

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                                                                                        #26.5 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:14 PM EST
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