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Subscribe to RSSFereshta Kazemi's film "The Icy Sun" breaks new ground for Afghanistan, where victims of rape can be forced to marry their attackers to preserve their families' honor. NBC News' Mandy Clark reports.
KABUL, Afghanistan — A woman is raped. Instead going after her attacker, the law and society imprison the victim.
This is often the reality in Afghanistan. To bring attention to the issue, Afghan-American actress Fereshta Kazemi took the role of a rape victim in a recent film, "The Icy Sun."
"The concept of honor for the men rests on a woman’s shoulders," said Kazemi, 33. "Her brothers and her family feel that they have been raped of their honor."
This perception of honor means that society often blames the women who are attacked, she says.
"There is this atmosphere where women are vulnerable to having people talk about them or say negative things or say that she wanted to be raped or say, 'Look at the way they were behaving,'" Kazemi said.
These deeply ingrained attitudes exist against a hostile backdrop for Afghan women and girls: The country remains one of the most dangerous countries in which to be a woman, according to a Thomson Reuters Foundation survey. Close to 90 percent of women face at least one form of physical, sexual or psychological violence in their lifetimes, according to a Human Rights Watch annual report. Up to 80 percent of women face forced marriage, Thomson Reuters Foundation reports.
Additionally, many Afghan women are imprisoned for so-called moral crimes, which include running away from an abusive home or fleeing a forced marriage. Human Rights Watch estimates that around half of the approximately 700 women and girls in prison in the country are facing such charges.
One woman’s real-life story vividly illustrates the problems confronting women who are violently attacked.
In 2009, Gulnaz’s cousin’s husband tied her to a bed and raped her when she was home alone. She was left pregnant from the assault. Her family reported the crime to local police in the northern province of Kunduz, but instead of going after her rapist, officials jailed her for adultery. While in prison she gave birth to a baby girl, Masqa.
Her plight made international headlines over a year ago. American lawyer Kim Motley took on her case and helped Gulnaz get a presidential pardon in December 2011.
"I think in theory justice was done. She was released, she was exonerated," Motley said. "What trumped that once she was released was the culture. It was the … perception of her probably going to fail as a woman, as a single woman with a kid in Afghanistan."
After her release, Gulnaz was confined to a women’s shelter for 13 months. She felt it was no different from prison. Afghan officials blocked Gulnaz, now 22, from getting papers to apply for asylum in another country, Motley says.
The same officials pushed Gulnaz into a decision -- two weeks ago, Gulnaz married her rapist.
"Basically there were people in the Afghan government who helped to facilitate and pressure her to marry the guy," Motley said.
Many Afghan rape victims are forced to marry their attackers as a way of restoring the family honor.
Against this backdrop, Motley says she understands why women hesitate to go to the authorities.
"I can certainly understand a woman not wanting to report a rape," she said. "Frankly … if I was raped here as an Afghan woman, I don’t know if I would do the same," she said.
A recent United Nations report found one positive trend: In some areas, such as the major cities of Kabul and Herat, more women are reporting rape. This does not necessarily mean that more are being assaulted, only that victims are willing to come forward. In contrast, in Taliban strongholds such as Logar and Wardak, there were no reports of rape. U.N. officials say in the report that this does not mean that no rapes occurred but that women were too scared to report them.
So when it comes to security, it is safety close to home that seems foremost in the minds of Afghan women.
As one American diplomat speaking on the condition of anonymity said:
"I am always taken aback when I talk to Afghan women and ask them what worries them the most. Their reply is domestic abuse. They are more concerned with being beaten or set on fire by their husbands or uncles than any larger issue like Taliban."
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Oh, no! And they say rape never happens in Muslim countries because the women are forced to stay home barefoot and pregnant and only go out with their men.
It's just not reported as being raped is often a death sentence--for the victim. Never for the rapist.
Marriage to a man like that? Worse than death.
Just wait and see what happens after the Special Forces leaves those two Providences in Afghanistan at the DEMAND of Karzai.
Women in the Muslim World are nothing more than utensils.
Just think, some judges in the U.S. have "ordered" that the Karan LAW be used in our court system.
Once a country loses it's morals, the country is lost forever.
Ido? What judges, where, when? Sounds like more hysteria than real.
Ido - stop listening to Rush no court in the US have ever ordered that Sharia law (from the Koran and the Karan) be used in the US. Extremists regardless of if they are from the far left or far right are the most dangerous people in the world mainly because people like Ido end up believing their lies.
Ido - please cite the case (or cases as you claim) where this happened. Or please cite an offical judicial news letter or publication where this was said. I bet you can't....because it has never happened.
Ummm Ido that Sharia law comment has NEVER happened.
And Rachel, I get what you're saying but I don't think anyone's ever made the statement that women don't get raped in Muslim countries. If someone has made that statement I would like to see it.
Here's 50 of them from 23 states:
http://shariahinamericancourts.com/
TH, CG and Joe, you are in abject dhimmitude denial. But, it's hard to blame people like you, because the lamestream media simply doesn't report such and or whitewashes it, esp. organizations like this site. That's why it's called creeping sharia. Look, at teufelhund's link, and there are others. Don't say something isn't happening simply because you can't emotionally handle the poisonous truth. If you're on the side of truth, well, be on the side of truth. Sharia has no place in the US or Western Civilization, period. Stand for the constitution or stand aside.
Islam is poison.
Is it like: Rapist 1: Hey, which one do we rape today? The left tent or the right tent?
Rapist 2: You go for the left tent I will take the right. I hope they are not in their 70s.
Rapist 1 and 2: GERONIMO!!!
"A woman is raped. Instead going after her attacker, the law and society imprison the victim."
In Saudi Arabia, Sunni gangs rape a woman.
Saudi Islamic religious police applied strict Sharia laws and sentenced the woman.
Lady had two problems: 1. Shiite 2. Woman.
Saudi Arabia has a strict Islamic Wahhabi ruler with 5000 princes and princesses. These people are good at assembling of females of all varieties available.
When Hillary, Bill, Kerry, McCains and other great believers in all rights on earth meet the oil rich Sunni rulers, they dress and act like them.
Sorry: all rights don't apply when one is rich and has monies or some favors to throw around!
Before we leave, arm the women with at least a Glock and a pack of ammo.
What really blows my mind is this ~~~>> Although The Quran does make a difference between men and women, favoring the men, it nevertheless CLEARLY states that men and women are to be treated equally in judging. Example, it is well known in the West that an almost impossible standard has been set up to find a man guilty of rape, but it seems to be very little KNOWN IN THE MUSLIM COUNTRIES, THEMSELVES THAT the same standard is set for judging women for adultery in The Quran. Nevertheless, it is ROUTINE for those little tin godlets, WHO HAVE SET THEMSELVES ABOVE ALLAH, to ignore the Quran when judging women. I believe there will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth when we all meet on the plain. (Where, according to the Quran, we will all meet and be judged by Allah!)
“The concept of honor for the men rests on a woman’s shoulders,” said Kazemi, 35. “Her brothers and her family feel that they have been raped of their honor.”
This is because there aren't many real men in these MiddleEast nation's, just a large amount of Islamic terrorists Cowards who bullying woman and children - low-life scumbags!
Time for these animals to evolve into men and love one another NOT hate! What a negative world they enjoy to live in - a bunch of weak minded parasites!
Time for these animals to evolve into men and love one another...
Oh they do that too. They do love one another. I used to hang out with afew males at college from the Middle east...they said that having sex with young boys is quite common and exceptible to the middle eastern male. They have no control over their libido and make no effort to supress it. But they blame everyone but themsleves for their lack of self control so they pass the buck to the victims of their abuse. All this crap about family honor is purse BS! and a reason to treat women and children like animals when they themselves are actually the animlas.
May I suggest carrying a very sharp knife?? Hey if they are gonna throw you in jail it should be fore a good cause and make sure your attacker thinks twice before doing it again. If you dont stand up to them then the abuse continues.
A society is only as good as it treats its women.
There is no honor in Islam. Muslim males wouldn't know honor if it walked up to them and kicked them in the groin.
If a place has more than five percent of these Islamic hell hole parasites, then the place starts marching towards hell hole!
Higher the percentage of these liabilities and curses on earth means faster and sure march!
Woman is the (beep) of the world......
Strangest of all is that many Muslim females give all sorts of spins, excuses, blames for their slavery!
If one is able to put many in Islamic hell holes and Sharia laws' dirtiest swamps, a good number enjoy them too.
Once used to those lives, how can they leave their hijabs/niqabs/burkhas in the US, Britain, western and other non-Muslim nations?
To force these women to marry their rapist is one of the most absurbed actions we can see from any society. Why these pieces of crap aren't prosecuted and jailed is beyond anything any civilized society would tolerate. Kudos to this Afgan actress for taking on this role as she will most likely be targeted for some kind of retaliation by her home countrys' government and religious leaders as these uncivilized backwards cavemen will do.
Yeah... where's all that Islamic 'cherishing' of women? If they're supposed to be so highly valued in Islamic society why are they beaten, burned, and raped with almost comical frequency. Their entire society and social norm is a joke.
90%
Social norm is sick.
Islamic religious norm of permitting four wives at one time is more sick.
Most of the oil rich Sunni rulers follow Islam strictly.
So Kuwaiti ruler had 65 wives at one time. He had nice "ins" and "outs" of females.
And the biggest joke was: NATO forces after liberating Kuwait fixed rulers golden toilet!
Islamic women tolerating them or giving excuses/spins/explanations is the most sick of all!
Not that long ago, American women were afraid to report rape. They were warned that if they prosecuted, the defense strategy would be to question their morals, clothing, seductive behavior, language, what doing in park/bar/street at certain time of night. Nowadays, more American women come forward regardless of consequences. But we have a long ways to go - example: military academies, or service. I think of the situation in India where women are making a big noise about the incidence of rape. Afghan women will have to do the same. An injustice is seldom corrected by non-members of a group - only the victims and their sympathizers/supporters can make a difference. It wasn't the men who gave women the vote, nor whites who granted civil rights to blacks, and we are witnessing a similar push by gays for equal rights.
You go Jan!....
Years ago I was "fired" from a job for "not doing my job". Well, little did they know I kept a notebook of the comments the men said to me as I walked down the hall. When I showed this notebook to an employment lawyer, SHE said it will be treated as a rape. You will be asked how you dressed, were you "inviting" their comments. I was disgusted....
Went back to the employer, with my notebook, grant you this was in 1991/1992 before the sexual harrassment laws were really recognized. I kept all my conversations with the "man" in charge on a small recorder.
I went back to my then former place of employment to collect my last paycheck and played the tape. Showed the notebook . It was a law firm for goodness sake.
Walked out the door, found a nice check in the mail one week later. Hmmmm.
Slugs...and they know who they are, but now, they are all old men. LOL.
Your equivocation does not help anyone. Comparing evils is just your way of not dealing the poisonous truth about Islam. Islam is the absolute worst ideology regarding women. We already know we have a long way to go here in the US, but stay on topic. This article is trying to make us aware of other evil in the world.
When a woman is raped in that world, her family will kill her, her rapist will kill her, her rapist's family will kill her, she will be arrested and the police will rape and torture her, she will be incarcerated and the jail/prison guards will rape and torture her, the police might arrest the rapist, then the police and rapist will get together and have a good laugh over a steaming cup of camel urine. Then the rapist will be released. Sooner or later the woman will be executed unless she can find four male witnesses to verify her account.
Now, equivocate that all you want. It will just make you look stupid.
Islam is poison.
Gosh, you're having a suspiciously good time recounting what happens to a woman after she is raped. Having your jollies, hmmmm?
It was only 30-40 years ago that women in this country were blamed for the rapes that happened to them. Defense attorneys still try to portray rape victims as having asked for it in some way, shape or form. We are not that far from going back to those days...
Were they killed for honor after being raped? NO. Not even equivalent.
And defense attorneys do that with murder, too. It's a problem with our laws vis-a-vis defense, not just in rape. It's our laws that allow defense attorneys to help their clients commit perjury. It's our laws that allow defense attorneys to make up lies and present them in court without penalty. You really think O.J.'s attorneys thought he was innocent?
Blue unicorn lives in a different universe.
And people in this country have very short memories. As for being outright murdered for being raped? Perhaps not, but because no stats were ever kept, we'll never know how many girls or women were murdered. Or committed suicide, because after all, rape is the fate worse than death. We were considered unfit to be married if was known we were raped, and a burden to the family because girls weren't valued as much as boys. We are not as far removed from what happens to women in Afghanistan as you think. We could wind up back there again.
Funny, we will never know how millions of unborn babies felt or met their greatest potential, either.
Rape is wrong. Abortion is a murder no matter how liberalized a logical deduction a modernist wishes to twist it. Snuffed out because of selfish reasons (two wrongs don't make a right) is a fate worse than death, wait---it was death.
Thank goodness an article finally reveals where the real "war on women" is -- in southern Asia. Not here in America about "restricting reproductive 'rights' ".
Again, equivocation does not help anyone. It does not help us move on, it does not help you understand the evil in the Islamic world. Yes, we know that there is and was evil here. Equivocation only lessens the evil in your mind. Don't do things to lessen it. Stand up and face it.
Islam is poison.
blueunicorn
And is that not the job of a DEFENSE attorney? To provide a defense for his/her client? Need I remind you of the 2006 Duke LaCrosse Team accusations?
And prior to DNA testing, yes it was difficult to prosecute rape cases, "He said/She Said kind of affairs. And How many "Rapist" have been exonerated do to DNA testing?
How would you feel if you were one of those men? Or one of the rape victims who wrongly accused or identified her attacker?
I am not defending rape, it is awful in all it's forms, but it is not always black and white.
"Many Afghan rape victims are forced to marry their attackers as a way of restoring the family honor."
1. This does not happen often in the US or any western nations.
2. Local police in Afghanistan, Pakistan or some Muslim basket case nations may rape the victims when they report rapes. Does it happen in the US?
3. The chances of jails for victims are more. You see: they have to apply Islamic Sharia laws!
Rachel <~~~> Forget about OJ's attornies !!! The jury didn't think he was innocent, either !!! And a number of them said so !!!
This is why they(these countries and the men that rule them) are referred to as "third world countries".
There has been no cultural progress, just your f,,,n religion which places the women that bear your children, as less than a dog. These countries bear no distinction other than they are a bunch of bone headed men, with little or no education, but call themselves men, because they own goats and a gun. Education, forget that???Only for the men with a appointment with a dentist. Are there dentists in Afghanistan, Pakistan and all the other wild THIRD WORLD WONDERS aka places where it is ok to RAPE women and then blame the rape on her? I don't care anything about your religions,rape is rape!!!!
I am sick of reading about these cretins, how they treat women, and their daughters. Hello India, your men seem to get a nice share of that rape news too, and then you kill? Nice.
Third World, nothing but chickens and bone headed men...and goats. If they want to get some....go get a goat. At least a goat doesn't know it was raped or did something horrible in the name of their religion.
I don't care how you call rape a part of your religion, but it is still wrong, inhumane and violent.
Sorry....this is so horrible, I can not imagine living anywhere but in USA. At least we have courts, and put the dickeheads in jail, if they are ever caught.
What a world women have lived in, and have to live in. Men just do not get it.
"What a world women have lived in, and have to live in. Men just do not get it."
so you lump all men in the same basket ? interesting.
Dave, the ladies do that. It's OK. They are angry. For the men who don't rape and abuse, it is also upon us to call out those men we know who do. Just don't stand for it in conversation or action. Start at home. Start with your father, brother, uncle, cousin, whatever. Start with your friends. It doesn't matter. Just start with someone. Muslims are essentially hopeless, we're not. It's incumbent on us to change ourselves and force change in the men we know. Old sh*t dies hard, but it's way past time.
I have to admit, many of the things that are pervasive in the islamic world are completely incomprehensible. This is one of them. Amutating body parts for punishment, destruction of ancient artifacts/historical sites is another, but also another topics.
I've seen some documentaries about the treatment of women in islamic lands. One was of a group of women in a prison for committing "moral crimes" in Afghanistan. What goes on over there is a real tragedy.
I finally found one (it's over an hour in length): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9GL7qL2YxI
Yes, we still have problems here, but we are centuries beyond that culture. Some will say that only islamic extremists support practices we consider bizarre. Unfortunately I've read cases where portions of zagat (like a tithe) which all practicing muslims, all around the world must donate, winds up in the hands of various extremist groups. In effect telling me, the so called moderate yet silent majority, are complicit with the extremists. I don't know how else to call it.
Also, yes, there is still progress to be made here. I wouldn't know where to begin over there.
Arab Muslim countries all do the same thing. It's the woman's fault in every case of rape. The men are considered above reproach and honorable -- but only by their families and Islam. No wonder the Muslims need to pray five times a day. They are the most sinful, crooked, corrupt, violent and shameful people on the planet!!!
Obviously praying 5 times is not working for them.....
no it is working cuz they're praying they get away with rape.
You know, this happens in the US too. It's not just an Arab/Muslim thing. Remember the case in Ohio last month, where a bunch of high-schoolers raped a girl, photographed themselves doing it, and one of their buddies was shown on video bragging about it later? The local sheriff and judge let them get away with it, because the boys were on the football team and thus "above reproach and honorable", until the videos leaked to the internet. And look at India (not a Muslim country), which is embroiled in rape-related political chaos right now.
This isn't a religious thing, it's a cultural thing. Cultures can change. Ours has changed, though it still has further to go. Theirs, obviously, has much further to go than ours does. But brave women like Fereshta Kazemi are taking the first steps: shaming the rapists, standing up for the victims, showing that women are people. All I can say is more power to her.
It IS a religious thing: virtually ALL Muslim countries treat their women like this, with "honor."
And India is the 3rd largest Muslim country in the world, after Indonesia and Pakistan. Islamic culture has NOT changed in 1300 years.
India's population is 14% Muslim. That hardly makes them a Muslim country. The honor killings and rapes aren't just in the Muslim cities, either - the Hindus do it too. So do African countries, both Muslim-dominated ones and Christian-dominated ones. And, as shown by the Ohio incident I mentioned above and the anecdotes from other posters here on this story, the US still has problems of its own.
Rape and misogyny transcend religious boundaries.
Just come out and admit it, that it is a HUMAN shortcoming. All the woes in the world are due to mankind's arrogance and false sense of belief that he/she can redeem him/herself.
What fools the modern world is: we claim and laud that democracy and technology are the gods that will save humanity.
Still waiting for either of them to pull us out of our problems.
The New Agist modernist will perpetuate this anti-Christ viewpoint.
Yeahbuhwha ... I can't think of anything vile enough to say to a pansy-a**ed equivocator like you. Get this ... 91% of honor killings occur in Muslim countries and you have the pathological audacity to equivocate and not attribute it to Islam. Unbelievable. Islam EQUALS culture in these hell holes or don't you know that? Islam sanctions this sort of behavior. Educate yourself. Delusional dhimmis like you are getting more dangerous than Islam itself.
How many US soldiers died to support the Afghani government to establish "democracry" and "equality" for all citizens there? Seems to me we have accomplished in Afghanistan exactly what some 50,000 US military deaths accomplished in South Vietnam: exactly nothing, except the tragic loss of American lives, long-term life challenges for suvivors and families of all, and the investment of billions of USD that could have had a much more positive impact long-term used here in the US. Already the Taliban is regaining control of Afghan provinces and society, and US military hasn't left the country yet. When will we ever learn?
so, there goes the thinking, if you like a woman, you rape her so she'll have to marry you....
how nice....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bride_kidnapping
This is actually common in certain areas of the world, Central Asia especially. Remember the scene in Borat where he tries to kidnap Pam Anderson? Yeah, that actually happens, and it's not funny.
Reading you Neanderthals makes me realize why US education is said to be faltering. Let me help you hicks out by clarifying a few things about geography, culture, and religion.
1) Afghanistan is "NOT" part of the middle east therefor they are "NOT" Arab
2) Contrary to popular belief, the notion of "HONOR," is a cultural mainstay that can be found in a multitude of 'ASIAN,' cultures ranging from Mongolians, Indians, and Japanese.
3) Covering your women and keeping them home is also a cultural practice one that Islam obviously wasn't able to overcome, just like it wasn't able to overcome FGM in African nations. Would help to know a little about how society was pre-Islam in these places.
4) Wasn't that long ago that rape was viewed nearly the same way in the US and women prior to WWII sat home barefoot and pregnant.
Long story short, get some education, broaden your cultural myopia, and then begin debating on here. Short of the latter you all look like simpleton's speaking out of your league.
Good argument in opposition to religious bigotry. Women are being subject to a roll-back of their rights in America by the social conservative religious right. The opportunity was missed for the modernization of Afghanistan when the US did back the return of the King to provide transitional stability and attempted the Cheney parade of roses for US occupation.
Perhaps sir or madam...you should get your facts straight as well. Pre-islam circa 1205 Mohammed escaped from the world and defeated an Army attacking Medina. Grace any man that jumps into the fight yelling"God is Great" Gees, like that has not been said in the heat of battle over the centuries? Everyone on the planet is looking for a higher being to guide them...although getting 21 vestal virgins on the other side is a nice gift when a suicide bomber has been psychologically manipulated.
My mother was not barefoot, or pregnant during WWII. She flew planes....over the Pacific and the US bringing supplies and mail. Nice try. She went on the finish her degree from Harvard. I was born when she was working on her Masters. Well, imagine, women going to school, supporting their husbands, bearing children and what....not shaming their families because they got out of the house???
We need to get our troops out of these backward zones, The Russians lost and we will lose too...why? Because you can not defeat stupid.
Thought - it usually helps to communicate effectively enough for the other person reading your mental gibberish to at least make sense of some of what you are saying.
1) Mohammad escaped from the world in 1205 to defeat an army attacking Medina?
- Not quite sure which Dr. Seuss history book you picked up but I haven't read the same version.
2) Grace any man that jumps into the fight yelling"God is Great" Gees, like that has not been said in the heat of battle over the centuries? Everyone on the planet is looking for a higher being to guide them...although getting 21 vestal virgins on the other side is a nice gift when a suicide bomber has been psychologically manipulated.
- I did not mention a higher power, yelling, God is great, etc. Was this a conversation you were having in your head? For what it's worth, the notion of a suicide bomber getting virgins is a stereotype only simpletons exhort.
3) According to you the women's liberation movement of the 1960 was apparently not needed. Can't imagine why so many women fought so hard for their belief in equal rights and treatment. Of course then there is that little fact that before 1920 women couldn't even vote. Guess dear ol mummy forgot to tell you about all the good details while she was flying that plane out of a necessity (most of the men were dying in Europe).
I do agree with you, the troops should go. Maybe you can write a sweet memo to your senator about mummy dearest and why troops should go?
I was part of the womens lib movement....where where you? A thought or twinkle in someones eye? You make me laugh.
Btw...there must be a lot of simpletons....reading the Kouran...and you sir and if you are a woman, I can not believe your outlook. Really, like I did not know why women were flying planes in WWII OR why Rosie the the other women on posters were making B-17's in the Martin bomber plant outside Omaha NE? You must be thinking with the other side of your brain. Details of the story of my mother and other brave women doing everything they could, including rationing, were not on your radar. OK, Yep, we could teach young men education, but we could not vote for them. We did have sex, but most women in the 20's and 30's contracted syphillis, from soldiers coming back from Europe...lucky girls! Go read up those medical studies. Syphillis was epedemic in some states.
My mother is alive and well and has read your reply. She was laughing. You know not what you speak of, you have no experience---or were you flying cargo planes over the Pacific too, and got your Masters from Harvard in History. My mother, could mentally pin you.
Most of the men were serving....and dying, in Europe, but you would probably read your history and remember a small incident called Pearl Harbor, that threw the US into both sides of the planet...Japan first, Germany second. We got into the battles of Europe when FDR supported the Brits, who needed ships and tanks and it was at the time, supposedly a "quiet" deal.
My son served in Iraq, my nephew as well. So go get your armor on and do the same. They both graduated from West Point. My cousin died in NYC in one of the Towers....so bring it on!
I could care less what the Muslim population does to their own selves. I do however, take issue with MEN, who believe the world is their oyster, and will and can destroy as many women as they chose to do and have been doing it for centuries. This is just another cheap example of their history.
Wait am I missing something? I thought womans lib took place in the 1920s and the civil rights movement was in the 1960s? I must not be up on my history and thus a backwards hick as well.
Katygirl-both have been going on longer than the dates you give. From Wikipedia under womens sufferage:
"Lydia Taft was an early forerunner in Colonial America who was allowed to vote in three New England town meetings, beginning in 1756, at Uxbridge, Massachusetts. Following the American Revolution, women were allowed to vote in New Jersey, but no other state, from 1790 until 1807, provided they met property requirements then in place. In 1807 all women were taken off the voters' roll as universal male suffrage was instated.[citation needed]
In June 1848, Gerrit Smith made women's suffrage a plank in the Liberty Party platform. In July, at the Seneca Falls Convention in upstate New York, activists including Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Lucretia Mott began a seventy-year struggle by women to secure the right to vote." There's more, but that's a start.
The civil rights movement in the United States largely started in the 1950's. Irene Morgan was arrested in 1946 for sitting where she wanted on a bus.
History, folks! Read all about it! The information is out there waiting for you.
You actually can defeat stupid: The America South in 1865.
Sadly, today stupid is winning: The American South in 2013.
Long story short, there's always a whacked out cowardly dhimmi useful idiot for Islam apologist equivocator in every crowd.
Islam is poison and you f*ck*ng know it, j.adgersmith.
Persecute rape victims? What kind of sick subhumans would do such a thing? I mean besides the US military.
This story is about the brutality of Islam yet you guys keep responding by tearing at Americans.
Hmmmmm.
How do you feel about Islam's enslavement of 600 million females?
I wasn't tearing at America. I was reminding people that we aren't as far from it as I'd like us to be.
Stop equivocating, dhimmi cowards. Men don't equivocate.
Islam is poison.
These backward societies are shameful. It is horrible that women in third world countries are treated like this. This is what I call "barbaric". How can they say they value their women so much, then kill them for having been raped by one of their own cretins. Male dominated societies will, one day, answer for the horrible treatment of their mothers, sisters, and wives. India is trying to change some things after a young woman was horribly multiple raped and killed. I would like to see these cretins hanging in the town square as an example of what rapists will face; and I would prefer that they be stripped naked for all the world to see how little their manhood is when they are hanging from a tree.
Unfortunately, the "hanging from a tree" was common practice of lynch mobs. At times, the rapist was down in the crowd, cheering on the hanging of an innocent man whose crime was to be born the wrong color, or of the wrong parents, or on the wrong side of the track or walking down the wrong road. For there to be justice, you still need the courts, the evidence, etc., all free of bias and bribery. Good luck with that.
Yet it's not "barbaric" to scrape the wombs of women in the West, knowlingly killing a developing human that is in the woman's reproductive system?
Disgusting and hypocritical.
What I have never been able to understand is, how can a woman be dishonored by an act that a man commits, that isn't dishonorable?
"A man cannot thread a moving needle" - philosophy difference. They assert that she stopped struggling at sometime as was thus complicit in the act. (I'm not agreeing, just passing on info)
Their cultures are poisonous. Islam is poisonous. Centuries and centuries of domination by barbaric crybaby males. Muslim males have no shame so just give up on shaming them. They are emotionally retarded toddlers in big bodies who fear and hate women.
What does everyone expect from these countries that murder at will and are living in the 21st century still as if it were the 2nd century BC... this is how sub humans act when they follow a cult like islam...
More and more muslims over the last 20 years have essentially regressed so much that they have etched a vast negative chapter in the human history... between raising prices for greed in the oil business to wholesale murdering innocents - what a socially conscious society group they are - NOT...
America is regressing in the legislative accomplishment of red Republican states rolling back voting rights and civil rights of women. Conservatism always means restrictions and eliminations of dignity and rights (rights are property of the holder), and privileges for the rich and powerful.
what you say is just untrue.,.. no conservative wants to take away womens rights, we just dont want to PAY for your birth control, or abortion,, the supreme court has already given you the right to kill your fetus,.,. second,, conservatives dont want to take away guns from legal owners of guns, including blacks,, the gun laws were originally put on place to control BLACKS having guns. you really ought to read more, and not spout biased talking points... what conservatives want is LESS restriction not MORE .. so clueless....we actually think you should spend your money as you see fit, NOT give it the govt to spend for you.,, notice your taxes have gone up?? gas gone up?? health care gone up??? thats liberals for you.....
bs, "thor"
religious employers want any contraceptive coverage banned from well they say medical plans offered by religious employers but they mean ACROSS THE BOARD elimination of contraceptive coverage for anyone...funny that the most opposition to contraceptive coverage comes from the men of the church
THOR......whatever.....nice, maybe we should send the men of the world to a magic booth, so they could get pregnant, carry a child to term, take care of the child and then talk to us about what we can/should/would do with OUR bodies.
If men in this country had to give birth, and have a woman tell them what to do about said conception issues---Abortion would become a sacrament!
Poor Thor! Haven't you read about what is going on in Oklahoma this month? Not only can the religious cancel contraception coverage, but if the employer thinks contraception "poisons" women, he can cancel it. Now, explain to me why my premiums should go to men getting Viagra?
Just tried to find the article to give you the name of the OK politician who wanted women to be denied contraception. He claimed that the reason why women shouldn't be able to get it is because women are being denied their true nature if they aren't being mothers. Wish I could find the article to cite his name. And he was basing this on the opinion of one businessman he talked to. It was nuts.
And if conservatives are for fewer laws, why are they trying to pass personhood amendments and transvaginal ultrasound laws all over the states?
Trillian and thought...then look at stats in the US--the vast majority of abortions annually in the US are NOT in the cases of rape or incest.
It's all about lifestyle convenience and sexual irresponsibility. Contraception is a means to eliminate the biological reality of sex for procreation, and now it's just recreation.
Women don't get pregnant without a man...but the "modern" American woman can f*ck whomever, sans morality and dignity, and merely scrape herself out to continue living the life she wants to live.
Recreational sexual activity is an aberration: a woman's reproductive system is healthy and working, yet birth control is "prescribed"!?(WTF) as if it's a medication to stop/halt a disease.
Birth control is the only "medical procedure/prescription" that thwarts/undermines the healthy reproductive system, doing what it was engineered to do: produce life.
Gimme-Men have employed sexual recreational activity for thousands of years. Remember the Romans?
As for American women having sex lives, you are certainly welcome to NOT have anything to do with us. You consider us immoral, but like you said, we don't do it alone.
We are more than walking incubators to replicate men. Just because we can get pregnant every year doesn't mean it's a good idea.
With seven billion people and counting, the human race is not endangered by anything more than it's own hubris and stupid and wasteful habits.
Can't you idiots stay on Islam?
Sounds like you American Taliban folks share very similar values to the Afghan Taliban.
What kind of untraceable poisons are available in Afghanistan? Just wondering?
Heroin.
i believe polonium is extracted from uranium ore.
Islam.
godless savages - the lot of them!
stone age mentality and draconian religion. Are the afghans neanderthals? nah - the neanderthals were probably quite civilized by comparison.
Just another day on planet earth where if you are a woman you are damned if you do and damned if you don't.
Go to an Islamic hell hole. You can find out the real meaning of your statement.
Where are they going to find the required 27 virgins to reward the brave Jihadists in heaven, if those brave Jihadists are running around raping all the virgins down here?
The best thing to do is "kill the rapist" then "honor will be back to the family". Picture these clowns with nukes. Really nice people!!
Is there a way that the US Army may be able to establish a Sanctuary Province for humanitarian reasons--which could fall under the protection of the Red Cross, the UN or the Red Crescent or the US Army itself, all for the sake of Afghan women who are trying to flee to safety from their abusive relatives and Taliban?
If the UN or the Red Cross/Crescent ran it, there would be no protection. It will take real Soldiers with lots of guns to keep those crazy folks out and protect the women.
Brave woman. Glad to see the women actually trying to change things, rather than giving up and being victimized further.
They sure aint getting laid because their lice infested beards are a turn on. They know they can't seduce a woman. Know any ignorant losers that get chicks? Rape.....It's what barbarians do.
Rape is conducted by men seeking control. Given that the US has the highest 'reported,' rate of rape in the world one could easily note that most of the rapers in the US do not have beards, some may be seductive.
I guess what I'm really trying to say is -- you're an idiot and my IQ took a hit just by reading your banter.
Bearded, or just no sense of humor? Or perhaps a jihadist sympathizer?
P.S. Silly remarks have no effect on one's IQ. Anyone with a high IQ knows that. Your IQ reduction was likely the result of drug use.
You wanted to be a comedian on a thread about the plight of rape victims; stay classy.
Point taken; maybe humor is inappropriate, but I don't care about classy. Politically correct people care about that. I like to mock barbarians. Show me an American rapist, and I'll be just as harsh. Believe it or not, we're on the same side.
They picked up that practice from the bible.
horse she-it, Skrekk... where did you pick up the practice of holding your head in your lower bowel?
Like most bible-thumpers, Bagdadjoe has never even read his bible. While it's certainly not the only place where the bible says that a rape victim should be forced to marry her rapist, Deuteronomy 22:28-29 is the most often cited verse.
And just like the Christian Taliban in America, the Afghan Taliban is very fond of the Old Testament.
Note that Islam also picked up the practice of stoning from Jewish converts to Islam in the 8th or 9th century.
Which can lead to some difficulties in societies that do not permit polygamy.
To get back at him, she can make his life a living hell (and if not him, then his other wives and their children's lives).
On the other hand it's a very cheap and effective way for a polygamist to acquire new wives, simply by raping virgins. 50 shekels a pop is nothing.
And in Kazakhstan you can even get an extra rape-wife or two to pull the plow. Much cheaper than a horse.
Please clarify it is Evangelicals ("Cafeteria" Christians) that cite so much of their modern-day BS from the Old Testament.
Ironically, they seem to be silent on the New Testament, from Christ Himself, Who is the fulfillment of the covenant. Many things in the Old Testament are no longer relavent. The old books were the means for the Jews to guide themselves until the Messiah, the deliverer, came.
Sadly, for modern Jews, they missed the boat and are still "waiting" (even though they live/perpetuate a denial).
You are so full of sh*t.
Shrekk The difference is that Islam is stuck in the seventh century. They are still acting like vicious animals toward women. LOL hell their still stuck in the period before Christ. If Christians were to try that BS they would be hauled off the jail. That is the difference between between what passes as acceptable in Muslim dominated countries and Christian dominated countries.