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Nasser Nasser / AP
An mural in Cairo depicts ousted president Hosni Mubarak, right, and Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi, left, with Arabic that reads "before the revolution, let them be amused, after the revolution, let them be paralyzed."
CAIRO, Egypt — Liberals and other opponents of the Islamist government in Egypt have called for the military to resume control of the country if its dire economy continues to worsen amid ongoing political turmoil.
On Tuesday, a coalition of leftist and liberal parties known as the National Salvation Front announced it would boycott upcoming parliamentary elections, claiming President Mohammed Morsi is driving through an Islamist agenda and breaking a promise to govern on behalf of all Egyptians.
Without the NSF’s participation, many fear Islamist parties led by the Muslim Brotherhood’s Freedom and Justice Party and the more conservative Salafist parties will sweep the elections and dominate the House of Representatives. This would give them near complete control of the executive and legislative branches of government.
Amid the political strife, Egypt’s economy is on the brink of economic collapse — the government announced earlier this month it had run out of money to continue to pay for fuel subsidies.
Former United Nations nuclear agency chief Mohamed ElBaradei, who now leads the moderate Dustour party, was recently quoted by Foreign Policy magazine as saying that if “Egypt is on the brink of default [on its international debts], if law and order is absent, [the army] has a national duty to intervene.”
"I am sure they are as worried as everyone else. You cannot exclude that the army will intervene to restore law and order," he told reporters.
'Act of deception'
Referring to the forthcoming election, ElBaradei also said he would "not be part of an act of deception" in a message on Twitter.
"Absence of law & order, due process & cascade of Fatwas & 'legal' investigations vs opposition fast tracks Egypt towards a Kafkaesque state," he wrote in another tweet.
Ahmed Youssef / EPA
Eighteen days of popular protest culminated in the downfall of Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak on Feb. 11, 2011.
While liberals supported the revolution against former strongman Hosni Mubarak, some now see the idea of a military regime as a lesser of two evils if the alternative is the country's collapse.
Opposition newspapers, including el-Dostoor and el-Masry el-Youm, have highlighted the failures of Morsi's government with several pundits suggesting the military may have to intervene if the situation continues to deteriorate.
And on Monday, dozens of people rallied in Cairo at the tomb of former President Anwar Sadat, who was assassinated by Islamist soldiers in 1981, to demand the military reassume control of the country and remove the Muslim Brotherhood from power.
The demonstration may have been relatively small, but the call for a return to military rule has created waves of anxiety across the country.
In the past few weeks, Morsi and his office have constantly sought to reassure the public that there is no tension between him and the military.
The president has denied local press reports that he was on the verge of sacking his defense minister.
Abir Abdullah / EPA, file
An Egyptian works in a factory in Cairo on Feb. 18. The IMF has refused the country's requests for a loan, citing the need for economic reforms.
But the military has fueled some of the tension by issuing warnings of collapse and statements of tacit disapproval of the current political stalemate.
Even the dates of the parliamentary election — to be held over three months — have been cause for controversy.
The date of the first round of voting originally fell on Easter weekend. In a country with nearly a 10 percent Christian population, the dates seemed at best bizarre, at worst offensive. The presidency quickly retracted the election announcement and declared new dates.
Fragile
Islamist parties have dismissed the opposition’s election boycott, saying because they can’t win at the ballot box, they are boycotting the process and thus are jeopardizing Egypt’s fragile democracy.
All this adds to the pressure on its equally fragile economy.
Egypt has been desperately seeking to secure a loan from the International Monetary Fund, which would give it a cash injection that would only Band Aid the problem, not solve it.
On the second anniversary of the Arab Spring revolution in Egypt, protesters clashed and dozens were killed outside a jail. NBC's Ayman Mohyeldin reports.
So far, the IMF has refused, citing the need for economic reforms. But the government has struggled to get the political backing it needs to take such drastic steps as cutting subsidies that could trigger broad street protests among those who would be affected the most.
And if that wasn’t bad enough, the country experienced one of its worst tourist accidents on Tuesday when 19 people were killed when a hot air balloon caught fire.
The accident near the ancient city of Luxor raised fears that the country’s decimated tourism industry would be dealt another blow because of increased concerns about safety standards as well as the security of foreigners visiting Egypt.
In a country once beaming with hope and optimism, where its revolution was celebrated for its unity, a newly divided and tumultuous reality has now firmly taken root.
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So the US screwed up again. When will they learn. You can't buy friends.
We can give 8 billion dollars to their government, (Obama shortly after the election of the Muslim Brotherhood) but we can't provide security for our own shools or employ an active division and border patrol agents to our southern border.
Gas prices should be down to two dollars and some odd cents per gas.
Let Egypt deal with their own problems, they're just going to end up with another Muslim that preaches violence toward westerners anyway, because that's what the quran preaches.
We've got North Korea and Iran at the forefront of our concerns right now anyway, let the Arab Spring continue to burn a hole through the Islamic curtain of dictators throughout the region without spending any money to help any of them, put our money where it should be, Israel. Keep Israel united, keep a safe haven there for Jews who have no homeland without it, spend billions on our border agents and school security instead of rebuilding schools in Egypt ...which we all know is going towards arms and military supply anyway....
The muslims during the crusade had a quote, something to the effect of "When you see your enemies in contention, sit at ease with your friends, but when you see them of one mind, stack stones high upon the ramparts." The same principle applies here, let them all figure their own crap out, get gas back down to 2 bucks a gallon, protect our borders and schools, bring our troops back to help to do both of those, and start building fleets, small convoys with a destroyer or two freed up from the regions we're now policing, use the convoy to run oil from our actual "Islamic Allies" like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait,...etc. There are oil reserves in Alaska, with a pipeline mind you, just barely dribbling out a low percentage of what it could be.
A 2 dollar gas price lets americans spend much more money on other things. let egypt burn. It won't be the first time, we can actually help our own people for once.
I agree with "you can't buy friends."
Let me add: it will be foolish to believe Islamists like Sunnis of ME, Pakistan and other high Islamic heroin addicts, though they do all sorts of dramas/acts/soap operas to show that they are "strategic allies"/friends.
These ungrateful backstabbers, especially Sunni ones, never leave their habits of telling lies, fooling, stealing, looting, rapings, hatings, killings, kidnappings and doing merciless genocides when very strong.
They can never contribute much positive to a society/place/nation/world as they have been doing since the birth of Islamic cult.
Add Egypt, Libya, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan to the growing list of nations.
The latest contribution of Sunni MB, Salaffi and other Islamists: Egypt is about to go bankrupt!
Too bad China doesnt say the same to Obama!
The Chinese are working on it. They have stopped using US dollars to purchase Oil, and other items already, and will stop buying our debt. Then we will be asking Egypt for Billions.
Morsi is very much like Obama! Both want to take away rights from the people and transfer it to the all seeing big government. When will they learn that the informed citizen doesn't agree with their stance that 'we can't do it ourselves'? Yes we can! Big government is bad, bigger government is worse! Don't presume that everyone wants big brother to control our lives!
Chaos or dictatorial repression, that is what you get when you allow religious zealots to rule. And if they think tourism is down now, just wait until the fundamental Islamist get around to blowing up the pyramids and Sphinx. BTW, what kind of idiot would load up the military hardware of a bunch of Islamic jihadist by providing sophisticated fighter jets, cash, etc..? Yep, you guessed it, the Fool in Chief, Mr. Obama.
Let's hope we remember that in the US.
Got some bad news, our friends aren't even our friends.
isn't this sweet another black mark for the black guy, isn't this how obozo wants our country to be liberal. well screw him i knew the SOB was trying to change this country for the worst 3 years ago, why the hell didn't our congressmen and senator's see this, blind leading the blind, same as our Constitutional rights, leave our 2nd amendment alone, scumbag feinstein.
Yeh, yeh, yeh, you Troll Aid drinking fools don't know nothing of your recent History let alone any of you own country. How many Republican Presidents have been involved it this as well over tha years.
Expensive "rewards" for the 1979 Israel-Egypt peace treaty
The Egypt-Israeli peace treaty of 1979 has occasionally been mentioned in news reports on the current uprising. That treaty was an arrangement in which the Egyptian leader of the time, Anwar Sadat, stopped opposing Israel's previous ethnic cleansing of close to a million indigenous Palestinian Muslims and Christians (at least 750,000 in 1947-49 and an additional 200,000 in 1967). This removed the most populous and politically significant country from the Arab front opposing Israel's illegal actions and led the way for other nations to "normalize" relations with the abnormal situation in Palestine.
In return, Israel gave back to Egypt the Sinai, Egyptian land it had illegally annexed in its 1967 war of aggression. (Egypt had almost managed to re-conquer this land and more in 1973, but the most massive airlift in American history, engineered by Henry Kissinger under pressure from the Israeli lobby, was sent to Israel, preventing this outcome.) /2/
Also in return, the United States agreed to give Egypt more US tax money than any other nation, with the exception of Israel. Since 1979, Egypt has received an annual average of close to $2 billion in economic and political aid /a/ from American taxpayers (most of whom have known nothing about this use of our money). /3/ The arrangement has allowed Mubarak to stay in power for decades despite periodic attempts by Egyptians to free themselves from his ruthless rule.
At the same time, it's important to note that the U.S., as broker of the peace treaty, gave Israel even greater rewards: guaranteeing Israel's oil supplies for the next fifteen years; assuring Israel of American support in the event of violations; committing to be 'responsive' to Israel's military and economic requirements; and promising a variety of major transfers of technology and aid, including $3 billion to relocate two Israeli air bases out of the Sinai, where, as journalist Donald Neff noted, they had no right to be in the first place. /4/
In fact, the American financial arrangement with Israel, which had begun years before Egypt's, has been far cozier than Egypt's: Israel gets considerably more money from the US, even though its population is one-tenth of Egypt's; there is little U.S. oversight of how it uses that money; and, unlike Egypt, which receives its allotment monthly, Israel receives its handout in a lump sum at the very beginning of the fiscal year (which means that Americans then pay interest for the rest of the year on money that the government has already given away, while Israel makes interest on it). /5/
No wonder your screen name is 6dogs, you are good at passing off a lot of crap.
Gee the ZioNazi central bank private rulers and owners of the planet do not like the new Egyptian government so the "liberals" there want military rule, the liberal ZioNazis that is. Somehow this article seems like propaganda or is FIAT money the god behind the curtain?
so the libs in the country cause the problem then cry about the results? why oh why does that sound so familiar?
Meanwhile, back at home Mr. Obama is making threats to US journalist who don't toe the line. Anybody caught exposing Obama's incompetence via exercising their free speech rights will be subject to the wrath of the WH. Hmmmm, is Obama taking lessons from the Muslim Brotherhood?
BOB WOODWARD: A 'Very Senior' White House Person Warned Me I'd 'Regret' What I'm Doing
Brett LoGiurato | Feb. 27, 2013, 6:53 PM | 859,026 | 842
Bob Woodward said this evening on CNN that a "very senior person" at the White House warned him in an email that he would "regret doing this," the same day he has continued to slam President Barack Obama over the looming forced cuts known as the sequester.
CNN host Wolf Blitzer said that the network invited a White House official to debate Woodward on-air, but the White House declined.
"It makes me very uncomfortable to have the White House telling reporters, 'You're going to regret doing something that you believe in,'" Woodward said.
"I think they're confused," Woodward said of the White House's pushback on his reporting.
Earlier today on MSNBC's "Morning Joe," Woodward ripped into Obama in what has become an ongoing feud between the veteran Washington Post journalist and the White House. Woodward said Obama was showing a "kind of madness I haven't seen in a long time" for a decision not to deploy an aircraft carrier to the Persian Gulf because of budget concerns.
The Defense Department said in early February that it would not deploy the U.S.S. Harry Truman to the Persian Gulf, citing budget concerns relating to the looming cuts known as the sequester.
"Can you imagine Ronald Reagan sitting there and saying, 'Oh, by the way, I can't do this because of some budget document?'" Woodward said on MSNBC.
"Or George W. Bush saying, 'You know, I'm not going to invade Iraq because I can't get the aircraft carriers I need?'" Or even Bill Clinton saying, 'You know, I'm not going to attack Saddam Hussein's intelligence headquarters,' ... because of some budget document?"
Last weekend, Woodward called out Obama for what he said was "moving the goal posts" on the sequester by requesting that revenue be part of a deal to avert it.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/bob-woodward-obama-sequester-white-house-reporting-price-politics-2013-2#ixzz2MCFbR4rv
HA! Who here DIDN'T see this coming a light year away?
Yet another fine example of the fruits of our installing puppet regimes, nation building and "spreading democracy" across the Middle East. American henchmony.......ahem.......excuse me.............HEDGEMONY....at it's finest, eh folks? Many happy returns.
Guess their honeymoon with the Muslim Brotherhood is over, huh? Tsk tsk. Just wait. Given what's coming down the pike for these cretins, they will be looking at the good ole days of Murabak with fond nostalgia. Count on it.
Chickens have come home to roost, for them and US. This WILL bite the U.S. in the a$$ as well. Enjoy.
I'm good at passing off Crap? Troll Aid Drinker.
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/egyptrev.html
HEY! I don't feel sorry for the Egyptian people, they are the one who supported this terrorist group the Muslim Brotherhood and Obama also backed this group too. The Egyptian's thought they got it real bad when Mubarak was in power well it got worse. So you Egyptians shot yourselves in the foot. You all deserve what you got.
gm Tramp
You can, however, rent them.
6dogs
At least you admit that you are full of sh it
Michael 595198 1.9
I agree with you and most comments in 1, but lets be honest here, Obama won a second term by the American people. People that saw something that we who did not vote for him. I didn't vote for him on his second term because to be frank, what has the man done in his first term? Obama Care? Something no one knows what it even is yet. All i know is he's put us even further in debt by doubling our debt on what? Gitmo would be closed according to his first term promise, hows that going? Bring our troops home. Yes from Iraq but any president could of seen that, our work there was all but done. What about Afghanistan?
As far as this article, let Eygpt figure out its own problems, we have enough to worry about here at home.
I know what Obama care is, you can now buy insurance where before corporations controlled who could get health care and who went bankrupt.
Increasing our debt on what, are you serious. Where were you when Bush II left our economy worse than it has ever been outside of the Great Depression? The money he spent got us back on track, keep up with the financial times. Check out Wall Street this morning at 9:30.
Military rule has the potential to be a huge improvement over the brotherhood.
Dick, you defend Obama and do it by writing that? Who said you couldn't buy insurance before? Not one person in this country has ever been denied coverage, ever. Might cost a lot if you use a lot, but you can buy it it regardless.
Without meddling from Bush and Obama, our economy would be back to or better than it was in 2004 or 2005. Bush used stimulus to keep the economy from correcting. He did that so long the result was a drastic correction. Next, Obama continues stimulus and the economy correction is slowed by that exact measure. Why all the stimulus? Because both Bush and Obama were protecting their rich friends. The same friends. They are no different, just pretend to be for your sake.
Hell, I could go on for hours, but you would just dismiss it as whatever you are dismissing Obama's failures as these days. Government is part of the problem, not the solution.
Hummmmmmmmmm " The devil you know..." (is better than the devil you don't) a true idiomatic expression of human "conservatism?"
Obviously .... Egypt hadn't gone as hoped for those that fermented the revolt or the direction that the western led powers had hoped for BUT it is on track ~~~~~ Thesis ---- Antithesis ------ Synthesis ~~~~~~ is a never ending process.
Carl Marx after reading and recognizing the validity and power of hypothesis, thought Marxism/Communism was the answer .. it wasn't & isn't ... there is no concrete answer .... it is a "continuum" with infinite variables that effect the outcome, the hypothesis can neither be disproved nor be proved. You can interrupt it by interference, but not stop it ....
I often wonder if our founding fathers had some innate knowledge of the process of the hypothesis, when they developed our political system .... for in its construction, and functioning ideally, it is perhaps, the closest to a working solution, to the hypothesis.... by incorporating a "variable" that has a moderating effect on the process ...
Egypt will go through further turmoil .... stay out of it ...... it's as natural as night and day ....
LOL! Who would have thunk? I would have. Liberalism is a mental disease. It's a mental disease of oblivious thinking. It's the thinking of oh what a wonderful world it would be if we just got rid of that mean and violent military. I wouldn't be surprised if a bunch of these Egyptian Liberal clowns had plans for a ministry of peace. Lead by some dumbass Dennis Kucinich looking Arab douche.
Dick, What i was referring to was that in the 8 years Bush was in office our countries deficit went from 5.9 Trillion to 10.699 Trillion. During president Obama's 4 years the deficit was at $16.4 trillion at the end of his first term. So as math goes, President Bush had a raise in our deficit of $4.7 trillion over 8 years vice President Obama's $5.7 trillion over 4 years. All i did was looked up "US deficit per president".
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss . . .
Oh, and PARTY DRONES are cognitively impaired and soooo boring.
Yes you guys are right, it's totally Obama's fault that Morsi got elected. Some might say that there was an election and the Egyptian people voted for Morsi, but that would be completely factual and ruin our basis of blaming Obama. Obama should have told Egypt that the United States didn't like the official that 52% of their population voted for, and that even though he won the election the United States wasn't going to allow him to become the leader of Egypt. Yep that would have went over real well.
The United States worked with Morsi to reach a cease-fire between Gaza and Israel when the rocket attacks increased, they did not recommend him as a candidate during or before the election. To say they put him in office or support him is completely inaccurate. If you do research on the statements that administration officials made about the downfall of Mubarak, they were saying they were very excited at Egypt gaining a chance at DEMOCRACY and not one recommendation about Morsi. Does anyone really think it would have been a great idea for the United States to intervene in Egypts first Presidential election that their citizens died to earn, ruin the process of Democracy that we are a role model for, and tell the country that the United States of America has decided Morsi wont be allowed to be THEIR President? Anyone with half a brain knows that's what Morsi wanted the United States to do so he could rally Egypt against us.
Islam....
any government founded with the principles of the quran at the heart of their government are doomed, because it preaches non-muslims should be killed. What, you think that 95% active religion populace in places like Iran or other Islamic nations is just accident?
Another muslim elected, another person that wears levi's, driving a ford or chevy, b*thcing about america, then asking for our help to free themselves of tyrannic rule, that they "elected" to have.
"“Absence of law & order, due process & cascade of Fatwas & ‘legal’ investigations vs opposition fast tracks Egypt towards a Kafkaesque state,” he (ElBaradei) wrote."
In Egypt, the Sunni extremists with labels like Salaffi and MB (Muslim Bloodhounds) are opening up new chapters of Islamic bigotry. Morsi is just a front for them.
Just watch the fate of sane Muslims, minority sect/tribe people, Christians, women and Israel as the time goes by.
Followers of Islamic cult, especially House of Saud and other Sunni ME rulers inspired and funded Sunni Islamic radicals and militants (al-Qaida, Salaffi, Wahhabi, MB, Taliban and other label ones), are fast marching backwards to their seventh century desert tribal days.
They are indulging in rapings, lootings, killings and genocides of non-Muslims (Darfur, S. Sudan, Nigeria and spreading like wild fire in many regions and Muslims (Libya, Yemen, Mali, Iraq, Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan and other places).
Egyptian army and all sane people should join hands and overthrow the seventh century desert hating and killing MB, Salaffi and their front, Morsi, the Islamic Sunni bigot!
Egypt's liberals are like America's conservatives, each believes a large government has an insatiable appetite that eats away at fundamental human rights. Before you realize it, all your rights are gone!
Mark, I think you are mixed up a bit there. Their liberals are just like the liberals here. Big government is a US Liberal dream. Conservatives want a smaller government with less government involvement in our lives. The way you wrote that a reader might believe the Republicans are pushing gun control and gun bans.
citizen-xx, Morsi is promoting an Islamic agenda and now even those who supported him in the beginning are having doubts. The same thing is happening to obama! He hasn't learned from his mistakes of his first term and is continuing his socialist agenda rather than fixing the economy. His approval rating is now below 46% ,the lowest of any second term President at this point in their 2nd term! Many who voted for him are having doubts, and that trend won't change anytime soon!
He IS promoting the rule of Islam which is exactly why most of the idiots in Egypt will continue to support him. They think that Islam is the answer to everything in the world and want to be enslaved by it. The word "Islam" means "submission."
Sounds like Egyptian Islamists and American Republicans have much in common they don't know how to govern. Hey 'Marywhatever' please don't blame our government for Egypts mess the Egyptian people did it to themselves.
~yet another person trying to make "something" (anything!) about a republican. You know Obama won the election some time ago right? You can let it go now....
Too bad you got it bakwards, the Islamist and the Democrats say it is my way or the hiway, while digging the country in a hole (soon to reach Greece). I am thankful there are Republicans at least applying restriant to the Democrat digging.
astounding:
Unfortunately, the GOP, the party of NO, has(was?) been(?) hijacked by the Tea party, has lost its way, and without continual reminders (particularly through examples) of that will NOT change its erring ideology. Missing the bad examples set by Greece, Ireland, etc, the GOP still foolishly stands for austerity as the way back to the deficit free state the Bush administration inherited from the Clinton administration. The current fiscal cliff is a deadly reminder of that, in spite of the mandate given to the Obama administration, in spite of the major gerrymandering by the GOP to thwart the popular vote and ratchet itself into power.
While the GOP is the willing tool of the wealthy, which should include private business smarts, GOP ideology wrecks the GOP's application of those private business smarts to government business, which is deceptively (to them) NOT the same. Business smarts don't let cost cuts (austerity) cut revenue into losses instead of profits, but that's exactly what the GOP, particularly the Tea party, keeps ending up doing, when it applies business smarts to government business. That's the terrible rub.
He who refuses to learn from history, e.g. Egypt's mistakes, is doomed to repeat them.
So, this is an EXCELLENT place for BigAl Las Vegas to make his point, until at least the point is moot, when the lesson is clearly learned, and maybe for a while after that to prevent regression.
(c) 2013
Funny so many bash Obama for a huge deficit but ignore the Republican plan makes no effort to lower it. Does it really make sense to complain Obama's not doing enough if your side offers the same?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2012/08/14/paul-ryans-real-goal-its-not-a-balanced-budget/
Larry, Last I checked Ryan doesn't write any budget for the US government, nor does he have sole control over spending. At least he has a different idea. It isn't like the current path is leading us anywhere but down.
Guys, It's best to ignore big al, he's drunk on obama's koolaid and enjoy's the fact that he left the workforce but get's enough free gov't goodies to troll the liberal blogs. Poor guy doesn't realize obama's gravy train won't go on forever!
Like other libbies he never gets tired of blaming Bush for Obama's mistakes!
As I stated when the Facebook Flu (Arab Spring) was spreading across Egypt & other places...
You can change the Leaders picture, but the Military will still be running things, especially in Egypt...
The root cause was the growing economic divide between the working class and their Leaders, plus the lack of VIABLE jobs...
To some extent, the root problem is the quran. You can't have a government based on Islamic Law, which most of the countries involved in Arab Spring think is what they want. Is there a such thing as an Islamic state that is not a totalitarian dictatorship?
The Taliban in Afghanistan was applying the Quran during the period after the USSR occupation. From 1994 to 2001 the Taliban controlled some 90 percent of Afghanistan's territory, although it was never officially recognized by the United Nations...
A 2001 UN Report confirmed that opium production plummeted in Afghanistan last year except in Northern Alliance areas, thanks to a Taliban decree outlawing its cultivation. A reduction in total poppy area of 91% compared to last year's estimate of 82,172 Ha. Helmand Province [under Taliban], the highest cultivating area last year with 42,853 Ha, recorded no poppy cultivation in the 2001 season. Nangarhar [under Eastern Shura], the second highest cultivating province last year with 19,747 Ha is reported to have 218 Ha this year. Almost all major former poppy growing provinces had no poppy or relatively small areas under cultivation this year. The reductions are clearly the result of the implementation of the opium poppy ban.
The Quran is used by the Governments of; Malaysia, Bahrain, Dubai and Indonesia. These are not totalitarian dictatorships...
Republicans were outraged when Obama said the new Egyptian government wasn't an ally claiming we insulted a long time ally with such a statement. Obama was smart enough to know our relationship with Mubarak wasn't the same as with the Muslim brotherhood. As usual if Obama supports Mubarak he's anti democracy and if he supports the newly elected government he's a Muslim lover. And you people wonder why you couldn't sell your irrational hatred.
More misinformation from little Larry!
Obama has no clue about what's is or isn't in the Middle East! His actions leading up and after the Benghazi Embassy murders is proof of his incompetence and desire to cover up his failure to protect Americans!
Go back to bed Larry!
Wrong! Larry. The criticism was (and remains) that if we don't know whether Egypt is an ally or not anymore, that we should NOT be propping up their Muslim Brotherhood led government with massive economic aid and military assistance. Let's find out whether they are still an ally or not before sending more money and support their way. There are clear signs that the new rulers there are NOT friends of America by any stretch of the imagination. This was, after all, the new leader (Morsy) and government (chock full of Muslim Brotherhood and Salafist Islamists) that stood by and watched as mobs attacked and sacked our embassy there in Cairo. That was what precipitated Obama's comment on Telemundo.
And now John Kerry is still pursuing the same FOOL policy there, tryiing to make friends with morsy and "rescue" the Egyptian economy, thereby rescuing Morsy and the Muslim Brotherhood. We would be smarter to let Morsy and the Brotherhood FAIL and then we might get something better instead.
When they stop burning American flags, chanting death to america, though we provide their princes with the billions from oil, stop beheading people, stop living by Islamic Law-which promotes things even in our allied countries like Saudi Arabia the right for a group of men to rape a woman whose family has said to insult the raping party, usually just one of the members, and usually the woman being raped has nothing to do with the incident except this unfortunate consequence....Islamic Law for you)...well, when any of those countries decide they are actually peaceful people, then perhaps I'll start to feel sorry for them.
Allies like Saudi Arabia needs to permit non-Islamic religious places of worship and treat non-Muslims fairly.
Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are fountainheads of Islamic extremism on rampage all over the world.
They are trying to be too smart for their brains.
On one side, they scream that they are allies and on the other side they are supporting our enemies like al Qaida, MB, Taliban, Boko Haram and others.
Time has come to dump them and declare them as terrorist nations.
Burning the American Flag while demostrating against the US. The Irony here is after our Flag is dirtied the Proper Destruction is to Burn the Flag. That is a Law. So in a turn about they are actually honering our Flag. Atop all major Military Bases Flag Pole is a Big Brass Ball, it is called a Truck. If you look at how the Pole is set you will see that it is rigged to fall down. In that Ball, according to Regulations is supposed to be 1. Matches to burn the Flag. 2. A pistol to hold off the enamy so that you can burn the Flag.
Nice try. Burning is an act. Honoring is an intent.
6dogs, so they are just honoring us? Oh, alright then. .. LOL
These countries have absolutely no experience with representative democracy. They have known nothing except dictatorship, colonial rule & authoritarianism all their lives, so it''s actually unrealistic of us to expect them to just be like us overnight & start opening Hooters & Starbucks on every corner. They will struggle with this for decades if they ever do actually manage to have what we in the West would call a fair government system. My money is on them staying mired in despotism for eternity. But hey, maybe they'll prove me wrong.
von Stauffen this was NEVER about "democracy", it was labeled that by Obama's propaganda machine, the lamestream media.
The liberal media bombarded us with LIES about how the Middle East, was "evolving" into "democracies", brought about simply because of Obama's "emmaculation" in 2008.
And "freedom fighters" (which the liberal media likened to our own Revolutionary War) were sweeping across the desert, bringing CHANGE to the Middle East.
Fast forward to now, the reality that these "so-called freedom fighters" were in ACTUALITY, al Qaeda on the march.
Islamic terrorist groups, from al Qaeda to the Muslim Brotherhood(who were responsible for the assassination of Anwar Sadat), spreading like locust and over-running our Embassies.
Whom "our dear leader" gave billions and fighter jets....which they will undoubtedly use to spread more DEMOCRACY.
And Romney agreed.
Not to mention the latest M1A1 Abrams tanks that we are giving them too.
Larry, Romney was never very smart about foreign policy either. His brief was domestic economic revival which he probably would've done quite well at, certainly more effectively than Obama has managed. Unfortunately his foreign policy would probably have been just as foolish as Obamas.
Morosi looks like he is using Obamas Playbook and he is failing as well
Apperently 'liberal' is such a wonderful idea that you need an army to force people to agree with it.
Our last two presidential elections prove you wrong as the next two with Hillary will as well unless Republicans grow away from the hate spewed by the tea party and back toward main stream republican values.
Hillary will not be our next President, thankfully. Her claim to fame has been to travel a million miles overseas; such an accomplishment. At least she got away from Bill by doing so, and he from her.
This is what happens when religious fanatics try to run a government. Any religious fanatics. We need to pay attention.
Authoritarians under the God delusion will use whatever "holy" book they were raised on to impose their will on others and do so with an arrogant air of assumption and righteousness. Thankfully, our Constitution will protect us (eventually) from radical theists -- as long as we are vigilant against authoritarians of all stripes.
Democracy: two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for dinner.
In Egypt today- no one can criticize Morsy personally- it is a criminal offense. MB and their FJP with Salafi Nours have taken over newspapers- tv stations- they have tried to insert their members in Al Azhar University to make their agenda legit- they have tried to successfully at times to nullify the Supreme Court sessions . MB preachers/imams have issued Fatwas to kill El Baredei and secularists. Egyppt's economy is tanking real fast- that what happens when you put ideological zealots at the helm to drive their agendas through- their tourism is now only 25% of the economy - their shortages of gasoline (they have oil). Egyptian Copts, secularists and non MB/Salafis deserve Egypt which is not a totalitarian state.
Exactly right Mimi, and now John Kerry wants to rescue Morsy, the Muslim Brotherhood, and the Salafists, from taking the blame for the mess they are presiding over there. What are the FOOLS in charge of our foreign policy thinking?!
Take heart and do not be alarmed, we now have the Munster's dad, John Kerry, and the self proclaimed anti-Semite, RINO Hagel, in charge...................all is well in OZ.(obama zone)
Did anyone in "regular" America think any different? Only the bosses who haven't a clue on world affairs. DUAH
When I think of Egypt, I envision Pharaohs, monumental Architecture, emerging ancient art and technology, trade, culture, and the great great grandfather of every civilization on earth.
When I think of the Islamic brotherhood I think of Qutb and his book Milestones, I envision the Luxor massacre, Muhammad Atta flying his plane, Ayman Al Zawahiri, the assassination of Sadat, belligerent Islamic hegemony, etc.
Egypt has been hijacked by the Islamic religious class. These are the same people who were suppressed under Mubarak (a reasonable man) and who taught Islamic studies in Riyad Saudi Arabia. Osama Bin Laden studied Islamic subject material under Muslim Brotherhood tutelage.
Egypt is being flown by pilots who never bothered to learn how to land the plane.
Wow, we here in America have the same problem with right-wing Republican ideologies. The right-wing in any country is dangerous.
Considering the Left wing has controlled the country for the last 6 years including the years the recession started and considering it is the left wing that has passed new laws taking away rights and considering it is the left wing that is the one demanding everyone must conform I hardly see how you can blame anything on the right.
What rights have been taken away? If you're talking about simple solutions in gun control, no rights are taken away. You can still have your precious guns, and as many as you want. You litterally want to take away the fundamental rights of certain people getting married because of your zealot religion. You all talk about how the poor in this country are leeches to be shunned. Or how birth control is an affront to God and Country. Or how that most scientist who talk about the negative effects of mainly human made climate change are "liberal" liars. Or When Obama goes ahead and signs a bill that was proposed by Republicans and has a majority Republican aproval, you all say that he's trying to destroy America. Or applaud when Reagan said religion should be left out of government, but when Obama says the same thing, you talk about how he's taking rights away from Christians. BTW, the recession started under Bush. Even though Obama has added to it, it still doesn't compare to the numbers of Bush. Bush, who gained a positive number economy under Clinton... he still plunged it deeper than Obama has.
It wasn't the left that started 2 wars unfunded, a 100 billion drug plan and cutting revenue 400 billion a year that began the debt explosion it was your buddy Bush. You people have tried selling that for four years and still the majority of Americans including Republicans blame Bush by a 2 to 1 ratio. Convincing enough Democrats to support a presidents actions doesn't mean they own them. I wonder why they aren't called the Democratic congresses tax cuts?
Agreed.
The left didn't start those 2 wars; they only started Afghanistan back up, Syria, Egypt, Libya, backed the Muslim Botherhood every chance they got, funded green energy companies into bankruptcy...
Bush hasn't been relevant for more that half a decade...get a life.
Anyone who knows me knows that I said when the Middle East started bringing down its dictators that they were going to end up electing something worse.
Now Egypt is seeing it. Soon the rest of the Middle East will follow suit.
Unfortunately the US isn't doing a whole lot better in the government department these days. Say what you will about them, at least the Islamists can enact a budget. An unbalanced one that is driving their country into bankruptcy, admittedly, but so was the last one we had.
What this makes perfectly clear is the horror of religious conservatives gaining control of any government. In the US the so called 'evangelicals'( a far cry from the meaning of the word - good news- when all they teach is death) want control of the government and to rule according to everything but the Constitution which most of them have not read nor understand except in the same way they read and understand the Bible - literally. God helps us - we will be stoning disobedient children and adulterers and cutting the hands off thieves.
Tregun, Earth to tregun, the topic of this vine is about Egypt, which is now under the THUMB of Islamic terrorist,,,,,,,,,,,,,,not Christians.
But somehow in your TWISTED liberal mind..............you use this comment vine to DENOUNCE Christianity........are you familiar with the saying,............. "just say NO to drugs"?
No wonder we got a second term of Obama, with examples of liberal genius.
Put down the bong Tregun........................reality is just a simple step away......from moms basement.
It is, in a word. ISLAM. Say it aloud, drawing the word out, especially the 's'. Too bad that some 'gyptians don't appreciate the finer points of the religion of sand and fury. They will be made to see the light or surrender their heads and if female the right to be considered anything other than property and uncovered 'meat.' ISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSLAM.
I think we need to send them more planes and tanks. The $260 Million we sent them was not enough! We are so doomed.
well, if the military is likely to retake power and take it away from the MB, keeping the military on "our side" by keeping sending them aid makes a lot of sense.
So hows that islamic @!$%# working out for you, Egypt?
The next sharia @!$%#hole.
But remember islam is the answer!!!
Somewhere, Mubarak is laughing his ass off.
This is why the left is often referred to as "useful idiots". Those very same leftist and liberal groups stood shoulder to shoulder with Morsi and the islamists in Cairo ousting the former leader.
Then suddenly they are shocked when they are cast aside when they are no longer needed. Same thing happens here in America all the time.
Ask the White House Press pool if they are feeling a little cast aside now that they are no longer needed to win an election.
"the right" was a nice collection of "useful idiots" when bush pushed to invade iraq.
Undereducated, sound-bite loving people of all kinds are "useful idiots", sadly.
A shame we can't count on the military here to intervene when the government is on the verge of financial collapse by incompetant rule by both sides of the aisle.
(an ironic statement for me of all people to say, but the military and scientific branches of the US government are the more respectable ones... as the upper echelon--Congress, the Supreme Court, the Executive--ie President, BATF, HS, suck!)
The upper echelon of government and big business has been infested past and present by Manchurian Candidates who mainly seemed interested in helping themselves and China at the expense of the US (e.g. Bill Clinton, most Republicans, Obama, Jeffrey Immelt, etc)
We've got to quit helping rebels overthrow governments. The new governments that result turn on us as soon as they are in power. Big waste of money, people, and time. Makes us look like fools.
And here is more Obama attempts at intimidation and suppression!
Anyone posting a link to Breitbart, and claiming that it's "news," might as well be wearing a sign around his neck.