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No need to compare Zionism to anything,
Zionism stands on it's own as a pejorative.

J.P.: and the Muslim plan to take over Europe and the rest of the world and the murder of Christians and Jews by Muslims in all Muslim lands is A-OK with you?

Zionism affects an area the size of a match head in a football field of Islam from Morocco to Pakistan and then on to Indonesia. Places that used to be Christian or Buddhist or Hindu or... All taken over by force.

Kerry strolls in fashionable late.

Awesome.

Hope he remembers to stare at the leaders wife.

Maybe fart during dinner.

Offerring the guy a ham sandwich would round out the meeting.

Kerry is best suited to pass catsup at the kitchen table..... Hey John, pass the Heinz

Well, Mr. Kerry......

• What are you going to call Morsi's comments and his meeting with Iran's P.M. ?
• How about Afghanistan telling the U.S. to get out of their Providences swelling with Taliban ?
• How about Pakistan telling the U.S. to quit their drone strikes ?
• How about North Korea telling the World to pack it ?

Words mean nothing.....ACTION DOES.

"But the comment by Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan at a U.N. meeting in Vienna this week, condemned by his Israeli counterpart, the White House and U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, has clouded his visit."

Here followers of Islamic cult have beaten all records established by followers other non-Islamic religions.

These days they are beating their own records and establishing new ones.

Unfortunately, Jews were the first get hurt!

You wrote "No need to compare Zionism to anything,
Zionism stands on it's own as a pejorative." - This IGNORANT comment like your comments on Zero Dark 30 show you to be an Arab / terrorist sympathizer. Zionism is a movement to bring the Jewish people back to the Land of Zion - news flash - it happened legally in 1948 and the State of israel has been a BLESSING unto the world since then. You actually had a problem with the Bin Laden raid? Instead you should have a huge problem with Pakistan who harboured that piece of filth for years. They banned Zero Dark 30 - which shows where their dirty sympathies lay all the while taking US aid money. Israel and the USA share much in common and Israel is totally worthy of US support. Anti Zionist is Anti Jew and we understand FULLY what you are by the comments you make.

@PDQSailor - Nah, this fool you quoted is neither Muslim, nor Jew, nor Christian, nor Atheist. He has no religion. Want to know why?

Because he feels he is God, that all of you should bow down and do as he desires, however he desires. That the world shall only be the way he imagines it to be, whether or not anyone disagrees with him (and if you do disagree, he busts a cap in yo azz, punk-yo-style, mang).

The idea that anyone fancies themselves a god and believes themselves entitled to rule the world because of this (or believes that their "sect" is entitled to rule the world) is not only deplorable, it's annoyingly infuriating, nauseatingly disgusting, and quite frankly, makes me want to slice their egotistical heads off.

You know what I believe? Let those with hate butcher themselves. In the end, those who desire trust, love, and honor will survive. The TRUE trait needed to surpass the evolutionary test of this era - not "white power", "black power", "Allah Akbar", "Glory to the King, Lord Christ", "Sieg Heil" or any other hate filled motto.

We need to realize that our imperfections are what make us incomplete, yet ideal in retrospect.

I'll support a Jew any day of the week - but one instance of me seeing him about to backstab me, and I drop him dead there and then. Same goes for a Muslim, or Chinese, or Korean, or LGBT, or Hetero, or....

You get the idea, right?

Why is it so many racists feel the need to equate Zionism with Judaism? They are not one and the same, one is a theology and perhaps the oldest monotheistic faith in human history, the other is a racial supremacist, political doctrine, that demands a home for its followers and endorses the use of ethnic cleansing to achieve it.

Losmuertos

Jewish is not a race

It's funny to read a Hispanic talking about taking over a territory, with over 10 million Hispanics illegally invading the U.S.

Of course, the Hispanics have not been attacked in every country they live in, like the Jews have

jw101

Jewish is not a race? Try telling that to many of the pro-Israel posters on here and they’ll call you an anti-Semite. Hell, try telling that to many Jews and they’ll agree and disagree at the same time, oh and try telling that to Israel who’s immigration polices favour those who can prove they have a Jewish ancestry and are currently involved in financing and researching Jewish genetics. They’d all seem to disagree.

PS what makes you think I’m Hispanic? Oh and what makes you think I even live in the US?

Its pretty amusing to read rachel-3676200's alarm that Islam was spread by force, especially since she likely posted it while sitting in her suburban American neighborhood once owned by indigenous animists and taken by force by Christians.

I wonder if these Native Americans (or Australian aboriginals, or Amazonian tribesmen, etc) forcibly reclaimed their lands - would we still love Zionism?

There are two sides to this issue, just like most others.

On the one hand, Israel is surrounded by nations where many of the political leaders publicly call for its destruction. Palestinian radicals launch mortars and rockets into Israel frequently.

On the other hand the Israeli government [as an entity separate from Jews as a people] drove the Palestinians out of their own country 'legally'--because it is legal to use military force to drive people off their own land. The Israeli government has since carried out various campaigns of intimidation and punishment in the Palestinian refugee camps. The idea that Israel can do no wrong is fundamentally mistaken.

I recommend reading Izzeldin Abuelaish's "I shall not hate" and Abufarha's "the making of a human bomb" in order to get a balanced perspective on the violence over there.

I plan to read something by David Ben-Gurien next, but I can't decide. suggestions would be great.

On the other hand the Israeli government [as an entity separate from Jews as a people] drove the Palestinians out of their own country 'legally'

wrong. The british split that land in 1948 giving half to the arabs, and half to the jews. That same day, israel was attacked by 5 seperate nations.

The Israeli government has since carried out various campaigns of intimidation and punishment in the Palestinian refugee camps

Uh, proof?

I plan to read something by David Ben-Gurien next, but I can't decide. suggestions would be great.

A history book. Any of them would do

dude. No matter how you paint history, the fact is, Israel drove the Palestinians off their own land. The same way colonialists in the US drove the natives off their own land.

Granted, there were jews living in Israel as a minority prior to 1948, but native Jews were by then outnumbered by immigrants from Europe who had their own feelings about nationalism. That led to aggressive policies--but also defensive because, like you say, they were under attack. But they were under attack because they were evicting people from their own land and that tends to not make friends.

You want proof? Look no farther than Dr. Abuelaish. On second thought, have a look at the Goldstone report. But I guess you're just going to say that the only true opinions are those that come straight from Israel.

We can get into these old arguments of who got there first. Or we can accept that both peoples live there and try to find a road to peace.

dude. No matter how you paint history, the fact is, Israel drove the Palestinians off their own land

wrong. The british split that land in 1948 giving half to the arabs, and half to the jews. That same day, israel was attacked by 5 seperate nations.

On second thought, have a look at the Goldstone report.

You mean the one that was renounced by Goldstone as false? You don't read much, do you?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/04/world/middleeast/04goldstone.html?_r=0

We can get into these old arguments of who got there first. Or we can accept that both peoples live there and try to find a road to peace.

The above sentiments are not mutally exclusive with your proper knowledge of history

I disagree with you. There are different ways to read history--more importantly different ways to write history--and Goldstone wasn't alone when he made that report. One important point--saying that Israel didn't deliberately target civilians doesn't diminish the amount of harm that was done against civilians. It is not a complete disavowel, but has been portrayed that way by hard-core Israeli supporters.

Operation Cast Lead was devastating to the Palestinian civilian population, to their infrastructure, and to peace initiatives. That is a fact. For 9 dead Israelis, over 1000 Palestinians were killed, many of them civilians. That is a fact. Those people died for complex reasons. Blame does not fall on one side alone, as you seem to be suggesting.

There are two sides to this issue. But you seem to only consider the Israeli side. What a shame. That sort of view will only perpetuate this conflict. Peace seems to be a threat to your position on this matter.

I disagree with you. There are different ways to read history--more importantly different ways to write history--and Goldstone wasn't alone when he made that report.

Feel free to disagree, but surely when the lead author of a study renounces it, this casts a large shadow over its findings. Most would agree with that

One important point--saying that Israel didn't deliberately target civilians doesn't diminish the amount of harm that was done against civilians

Blame palestine

That is a fact. For 9 dead Israelis, over 1000 Palestinians were killed, many of them civilians. That is a fact.

This proves nothing except that the palestinians were outmatched.

Blame does not fall on one side alone, as you seem to be suggesting.

Thats not what im suggesting. But misrepresenting history is wrong, period

But you seem to only consider the Israeli side. What a shame. That sort of view will only perpetuate this conflict. Peace seems to be a threat to your position on this matter.

These last statements are inflammatory opinion, and serve very little purpose. Furthermore, they reveal significant immaturity on your part. You parade under the flag of peace, yet throw out thinly veiled insults. Not cool

misrepresenting history is wrong, period

well, there's at least 1000 dead Palestinians who'd agree with that. If they were alive.

"This proves nothing except that the palestinians were outmatched."

It's hard to fight a full-fledged military when you live in a refugee camp.

Also women and children have a hard time fighting tanks when they roll over their houses.

.well, there's at least 1000 dead Palestinians who'd agree with that. If they were alive

this sentence is a non-sequitor designed to illicit sympathy in lieu of possessing actual facts. There could be a million dead palestinians. If youre wrong, youre wrong

How many dead german soldiers are there from WW2? More than 1000. Whats that prove?

It's hard to fight a full-fledged military when you live in a refugee camp

agreed. Probably should think twice about firing those rockets, then.

Also women and children have a hard time fighting tanks when they roll over their houses

so this is false. Israel has an air force, a fact your post makes clear you are aware. If Israel wanted, it could just blanket the entire west bank with bombs. However, they opt to go for a more dangerous ground attack, SOLELY to limit palestinian casualties.

Furthermore, how many of those homes housed terrorists who used these "homes" as bases to launch missiles?

Finally, how many civilians were killed in america's wars? How many were killed in hiroshima? EVERY war produces civilian casualties. Every single war. War sucks. To pick Israel out as if they were the only country responsible for civilian casualties only serves to show your obvious bias

Stratocumulus

If you are looking for further reading on the Israel, Palestine issue, may I recommend The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Ilan Pappé, as I found that a very interesting read and from what I can remember the author does use sources from Ben-Gurion, him being a professor at the University of Exeter means he’s nice enough to list his sources.

eric-2573068

May I suggest you read something a bit more modern in the terms of history regarding this conflict? Or maybe even something a bit more critical? As from the sounds of your posts all you have read is the very pro-Israel narrative history stuff, which is great for high-school where kids don’t care about the subject or issues but nothing else.

May I suggest you read something a bit more modern in the terms of history regarding this conflict? Or maybe even something a bit more critical?

critical? Like the ethnic cleansing of palestine? How about you read something a little more neutral?

As from the sounds of your posts all you have read is the very pro-Israel narrative history stuff, which is great for high-school where kids don’t care about the subject or issues but nothing else.

Like most assumptions, this one is wrong. Just because someone disagrees with you, it doesn't mean they are less informed. Not everyone is going to agree with you pal, you probably should get used to it. But I, unlike you, choose to read unbiased reports, not "the ethnic cleansing of palestine". This does nothing for your knowledge or credibility

eric-2573068

Oh sorry pal, you see from what you wrote I got the impression you wasn’t informed, after all you did write “The British split that land in 1948” which is not true as the territory of Palestine was divided by a UN mandate, not a British decree. Likewise, you also said that they gave “half to the Arabs, and half to the Jews” which again is wrong because it was more a 55/45% split in favour of the Jews. You, also neglected to mention that this 55% of land was given to a people who didn’t even make up 20% of the population at the time, and who had for the previous two decades before hand spent their time establishing Jewish only villages and segregating themselves from the local Palestinians, whilst also adopting the doctrine that in order to have their Jewish state then they’d have to make up the demographic majority of the land they was given.

Oh and as for the book I recommended, well it’s kind of hard to use neutral language when you’re writing about ethnic cleansing as its a pretty emotional concept. But it’s actually a lot more balanced then the title leads people to believe, after all one of the main goals of the author was to debunk this ridiculous idea that the Palestinian refugees left Israel of their own accord not to call for the destruction of Israel. Furthermore, the guy is a professor who lists his sources (including Israeli archives) and since he’s Jewish himself can hardly be accused of writing the book for anti-Semitic reasons. But hey maybe you can point me towards some of those lovely “unbiased” reports and scholarly work that you read eh?

Ps I don’t really care if people don’t agree with me and I’m more then used to it.

Oh sorry pal, you see from what you wrote I got the impression you wasn’t informed, after all you did write “The British split that land in 1948” which is not true as the territory of Palestine was divided by a UN mandate, not a British decree

youre wrong. The UN passed a resolution ASKING britain to form a jewish state. Under the balfour declaration, palestine was under the rule of britain, and the UN has no power to interfere with a sovereign nation.

The Plan of Partition in Part 1 A. Clause 2 provided that Britain "should use its best endeavours to ensure than an area situated in the territory of the Jewish State, including a seaport and hinterland adequate to provide facilities for a substantial immigration, shall be evacuated at the earliest possible date and in any event not later than 1 February 1948".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel

which again is wrong because it was more a 55/45% split in favour of the Jews

this is a very petty point. Youre raising a stink over 5%? Really? Anyway, if you want to get that technical its more like 1% to israel and 99% to arabs when you take into account the whole middle east

You, also neglected to mention that this 55% of land was given to a people who didn’t even make up 20% of the population at the time,

I don't have to raise every issue of the entire history of the conflict. Its a post, not a encyclopedia entry

In addition, they represented 20% of the population because of restrictions on immigration by both England and arabs

and who had for the previous two decades before hand spent their time establishing Jewish only villages and segregating themselves from the local Palestinians,

Since there was a lot of tension at that time, possibly even more than now, it makes sense they wouldn't immediately become neighbors and best friends.

In addition, it takes two to tango.

whilst also adopting the doctrine that in order to have their Jewish state then they’d have to make up the demographic majority of the land they was given.

No

Oh and as for the book I recommended, well it’s kind of hard to use neutral language when you’re writing about ethnic cleansing as its a pretty emotional concept.

Its also hard when the book is full of lies

debunk this ridiculous idea that the Palestinian refugees left Israel of their own accord not to call for the destruction of Israel.

this is a far cry from ethnic cleansing, even if true.

and since he’s Jewish himself can hardly be accused of writing the book for anti-Semitic reasons.

No

But hey maybe you can point me towards some of those lovely “unbiased” reports and scholarly work that you read eh?

If you quit being a sarcastic a$$ I will. How old are you? 5?

Ps I don’t really care if people don’t agree with me and I’m more then used to it.

Unsurprising

And I am sorry that I neglected to mention the faith of millions of the Kurdish population who are under the Turkish gun.

Have no fear ralph - Yopu are well protected by the theocratic murderers of Iranian regim, a friend of Erdogan. Your cut and Paste propaganda garbage has no credibility. I suggest your islamist pedophile ayatollahs pull out of Syria and stop helping Syriansd muder their citizens, as you kill citizens in Iran. That would be a step in the right direction for you.

@kashanian #2

israel's treatment of the Palestinians is far worse.

Zionists are also racists, you do not need to look further than their deportation of black immigrants and conduct forced sterization on Ethiopian jewish women to prevent the birth of black jews in israel.

Such racism is only comparable and matched by the apartheid South Africa regime of yester years.

"It does not mean jack s*it what kerry thinks. he is a jew."

As ignorant as some radicals are, they probably don't know that Kerry is a practicing Roman Catholic.

Sadly, his grandfather was subjected to intense anti-semitism by people just like you, so he could not practice his jewish faith and converted to christianity. So much for freedom of religion.

Now you know why people are not free - you just posted the reason for everyone to see.

Kerry is a practicing Roman Catholic and Lyndon Johnson was a practicing protestant, but both are Zionist Jews. Johnson was Jewish on both his maternal grandparents side, making him Jewish.

Kerry was fully behind the Israeli attacks on Lebanon.

You would think think Jews would be trumpeting Johnson's Jewishness, as Americas first Jewish president, but it would reveal the reason JFK was assasinated and other questions, especially how he covered up the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty and how he had the rescue planes called back to the carriers.

They both knew their political careers depended on the illusion that they are Christians.

What about that Ottoman empire?

Turks were bad even to Muslims.

World is highly partisan.

Genocides of Armenians should not go unpunished.

Similarly, genocides of Kurds (mostly Muslims of another tribe) is equally horrible.

If these Sunni Islamic Nazis like Ergodan's (supposed to be more "moderate" and the joke known as "secular" Turkey) can't tolerate Assad as he belongs to a different Muslim sect, imagine the fate of non-Muslims in their nations.

"Turkey has been one of Assad's fiercest critics, hosting a NATO Patriot missile defense system, including two U.S. batteries, to protect against a spillover of violence and leading calls for international intervention."

This is what one gets for helping the most ungrateful and backstabbing Islamic rulers!

Some in the US, Britain, France, Germany and other non-Muslim nations never learn!

Ralph - Great another lousy filthy JEW HATER comes out of the closet - where do scum like you hide during they day - under toilet seats? Now come out in the open so we can kick your dumb conspiracy laden ass down the street - at the least lets cut off your fingers so you would have to type with your nose.... Moron.

WOW Ralph...strongest language that I've noticed from you to date...does this really mean that you are a racist hiding behind accusing others of racism??? LOL...unlike Lan who is pretty much just an obviously blatant racist without trying to present a facade of rhyme and reason.

BTW Ralph...I've yet to see you commenting on articles that involve other countries

off the American welfare dole.

and there are many of them. Israel spends all of it's American $$$ in the USA. What do these other countries off the American welfare dole do with all of their dole money??? Can't wait to see your report.

Oh, and a fine good morning to you, HvD. Good thing that you're not a racist, right???

GM chef, same 3 tired old Iranian operatives spewing the same old rhetoric, everyone knows what they are about, couldn't even be bothered to read their vitriol anymore. The only time they post is if articles are about Israel or Jews not hard to see their agenda.

Look at the Turkish occupation of Northern Cyprus since 1974. After ethnic cleansing, Turkish settlers were moved in.

Good morning, Antistupidity.

What a terrible yawn of a life these poor folks must have...not only are they stuck in Iran but they are also stuck in their dead end job and must sit and scour and wait for headlines that mention Israel so they can bash and tell lies from the same old script. Can't see where that would even pay very much. Very sad situation.

:)

Kardashian (Practicing jew defender - Used to be jew critic)

I looked up your baseless accusations trying to discredit Erdogan:

-1915: Last days of Ottoman Empire, its reduced to Anatolia, about to be occupied by French, British, Russians etc.. Turks rose up to the challenge and noted that armenians sided with the occupiers to cash in in the chaos and fought against Turks. Turks got pissed and deported armenians to south.

Remember, it could have gone easily the other way; Turks would have been a guest in their own land, but it did not...

In the deportation, many armenians died.

Israel, in 21st century, killing women and children IN THEIR OWN LAND.!!!!

How could you be so blind and dumb?

Chris, since you did have an honor of being a guest at Hanoi Hilton, you should restrain yourself from commenting on the behavior of American Hero John McCain. For the record, I respect a war hero John Kerry.

Kolb - one should know about what one posts before posting. It is public knowledge that McCain gave up every secret while a POW. The reason that McCain is opposed to torture is that he knows that it works (way to cripple our intelligence for the troops - Johnny boy). McCain gave up every secret that he knew - including information about his father - who was COMPAC (Commander of the Pacific Fleet) at the time. While McCain may be a hero for fighting in a useless war (Vietnam) - at least Kerry publicly admitted that the Vietnam War was a waste of blood and money.

If you must contribute with fallacies - you may want to consider joining the nut-jobs in the upper post who are condemning Israel for everything from the common cold to moldy bread.

To interested observer: Can you imagine yourself being tortured by the enemy? Every day, year after year? To claim that McCain gave up every secret he knew to his tormentors is a little bit naive. You do not know the extent of the information in his possession at that time. Besides, many secrets were no secrets anymore. For their part Vietnamese did not have to be geniuses to figure out that COMPAC was his father. You should give McCain credit for rejecting the temptation of early release from the captivity - despite the Vietnamese offer.

""If we must talk about hostile acts, then Israel's attitude and its brutal killing of nine of our civilian citizens in international waters may be called hostile," Davutoglu said, adding Turkey had always stood against anti-Semitism."

Look who is talking!

Examine the genocides of Kurds, Armenians and other non-Muslims Turks have been doing.

Is nine a big number for those who have been doing genocides in millions?

Syria and Iran are more of Sunnis problem than ours.

Why should we take sides and decide winners as we did with Iraqi wars?

Let us dump Turkey and oil rich Sunni rulers, fountainheads of Islamic extremism on rampage all over the world.

Let the shameless and ungrateful Sunnis handle Shiites on their own in Syria and Iran.

Don't the Kurds have a right to their ancient homeland, Chris? Or do you reserve that only for the areas Obama is giving away to the Islamists?

The Kurds are just trying to hold on to their homeland. Winston Churchill divvied up Kurdistan among Iraq, Iran, and Turkey without consulting the rightful owners. Kind of like telling the jews "Take whatever you want of Palestine."

Jews were not given anything in Palestine that they did not already have. The land that was given to Jews was already either under their control or had Jewish majority.

Nice point thought that "Kurds are just trying to hold on to their homeland", would you please tell that to Erdogan, he seems to disagree.

2Chris: Relations between Turkey and the U.S. have always been prickly. Providing the Kurds safe haven in the mountains of northern Iraq was no blunder, most of those Kurds had already been living in Iraq. Yes, a violation of the NATO charter, big deal. Did our fat ass lazy chicken European allies have any suggestions?

We have been bending backwards in trying to please Sunni Islamists.

This is giving US, Britain and many nations a bad name all over the world.

You can take a poll on Iraqi wars all over the world.

Kurds deserve a greater Kurdistan comprising of areas of Turkey, Iraq, Syria and Iran.

When every Muslim wants a "stan" when Muslim percentage crosses ten percent, what crimes Kurds have done not to deserve their own Kurdistan?

The immigrants are not deported because they are black, they are deported because they arrive illegally.

Latino immigrants get deported out of USA on daily basis, does that mean that Americanism is a form of racism?

There is plenty of black people in Israel. It might come as a surprise to you, but there is plenty of black Jews out there.

There may be a token number of black Ethiopian jews in israel but they are not allowed to give birth since forced sterization was carried out on their women. Also black jewish immigrants are barred from entering israel. Obviously israel tries to prevent more black jews in their midst.

The racist hallmark of israel is quite apparent, comparable only to the apatheid South Africa regime.

Oh now we have yet another JEW HATER in Bob-1540553 What a MORON - ok go play on the freeway so a truck can take you out of your misery....

hitler von dorf,

any proof for your claims? any at all? You see, thats how intelligent people communicate. With facts

@#6.4

Need proof? Enlighten your ignorant self with the following links:

On forced sterization

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/an-inconveivable-crime.premium-1.484110

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gave-birth-control-to-ethiopian-jews-without-their-consent-8468800.html

http://africansuntimes.com/2013/01/israel-accused-of-deliberating-sterilizing-ethiopian-jewish-women/

On deportation of black immigrants

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t900857/

http://www.economist.com/blogs/newsbook/2012/06/israel-and-its-black-immigrants

Racism in israel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Israel

deed intelligent people communicate with facts, but morons resort to resort to personal attack or name calling when confront with facts they are ignorant of or have no defense.

hahahah...im about to shove your ignorance down your throat

on forced sterilization

depo is a BIRTH CONTROL shot, not STERILIZATION dipsh!t. Plus, we can't read the details since neither of us are prescribers. So far, eric 1, hitler, 0

On deportation of black immigrants

the link you provide is for a forum for white supremicist nazi scum. this is NOT reliable

Eric 2, hitler 0

Racism in israel

this link talks about generic racism in israel towards arabs AND jews. Find me a country without any racism. Nice try

Eric 3, hitler out

You need to do much, much, much better

Your ignorance is beyond reprieve.

just great, great comeback. hahahahahahah.....thats what people do when they have nothing to say. They just throw insults with nothing to back it up

You have no reply for the "forced sterilization" claim. I completely embarassed you

The rest of your claims were just as easily and completely refuted

Its been real

Yes, we all know that Gaza residents are robbed of their basic human right to kill Jews.

It's understandable that you can not think of anything worse than that.

With a name like Henrich von Dorf - did your relatives operate the gas chambers? What a piece of excrement you are.

Because defending yourself when attacked is not a crime.

Because defending yourself when attacked is not a crime.

Which is what the rightful owners of Palestine have been doing for 60+ years.

Occupied territories? What a piece of fantasy. The land you speak of was acquired in war from Jordan and before the withdrawal from Gaza from Egypt - two countries that have peace treaties with Israel. So if Jordan has made peace with Israel who are YOU to talk about those lands as being Occupied - these are Israeli lands - there never was a nation of palestine or a "palestinian" before 1967 when Arafat made it up. If these people were so deserving of a country - tell us ALL why Jordan did not provide them with independence from 1948 - 1967? Was it then not Jordan who was in the "occupied territories"

No you are just another JEW HATER - plain and simple.

Idiot.

I am one american against israeli support. I am tired of them sponging off of us....

Taking ground in a war that you did not start and blocking a border with a hostile neighbor are not crimes, especially compared to the Genocide committed by Turkey in the past.

Kerry and most of USA are aware of that, as is anyone who is not a bigot or a fool.

Killing women and children indiscriminately with bombs and white phosphorous shells, and bulldozing their homes are act of war crimes.

Anyone condone and/or defend such criminal acts are as guity as those perpetrators.

I am tired of them sponging off of us....

If the entire problem was reduced to finances, it would be easy to solve. Our unyielding support of Israel no matter what they do has destroyed our ability to stand before the world as a beacon of truth. It is no no different than China's support of North Korea or Russia's support of Syria.

Hey Hitler boy - it is you who has no credibility,,,

Al Jazeera spent $500 million last year to buy Current TV — which can be
seen on cable channels in 41 million homes — from former Vice President
Al Gore and other investors.

Is this the media you are talking about? They broadcast in your neighborhood in Deerborn.

Between Turkey and Israel, any sane would always chose/select/vote Israel!

Why can't Turkey put up with Assad of Syria?

After all, Assad is also a Muslim!!!!

Between Turkey and israel, any sane would always chose/select/vote Turkey.

Why can't israel put up with Palestinians

After all, Palestinians are also a semite!!!!

So, you believe that Arab lobby is no good at chopping of body-parts, huh?

Please try to find "basic human rights" for palestinians in ANY arab land. They have none. No citizenship, no right to home ownership, or medical care or education or pwnership of business. Now go to Israel and see how their "basic human rights" compare to their treatment in arab/muslim lands. Then we will talk some more. I will be happy to give you specific examples in specific countries.

Shame on you for telling the truth. The present administration wants to paint Erdogan and his ilk as secular populists; the truth is far more sinister.

As would "Muslims against Jihad".

"freedom" does not mean being on public assistance, being a bum and cry "revolution", it comes with respopnsibilities. If you get an education, get a meaningful job, work hard and have respect for yourself, you will feel so much better about yourself and will not feel compelled to blame other people for your failure in life. Try it.

You were making good sense until the last sentence. In Israel religion and government are separate.

Real jews? A jew by law is born of a jewish Mother or has converted. Now JimOne is an Ordained Orthodox Rabbi who gets to state or decide who is a Jew? Hey JimOne - you are a Jew hating Israel hating zionist hating piece of excrement - and you have noting to say because you have no credibility, no credentials and no right to even voicing an opinion.

Real Jews are honest, respectable, truthful and fair.

True. Unfortunately, they are herded by small number of boneheads in the wrong direction.

I hope you are right.

Except that on practical terms up until this century Jews were highly cohesive and did not intermarry - Jewish laws were specifically intended towards this end.