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Catholic believers pray during the celebration of the Assumption of Mary at Jasna Gora Monastery in Czestochowa, Poland, on Aug. 15, 2012. Poland is one of the most devoutly Catholic countries in Europe and is the birthplace of John Paul II.
Polish Catholics are hoping for a new pope with fresh vision.
In Poland, widely considered the most Catholic country in Europe, the church has been plagued by dwindling attendance, surging secularism and increasing alienation among young people.
"Well-educated young people from the cities are leaving the church," said Marej Zajac, a writer for the Polish Roman Catholic weekly magazine Tygodnik Powszechny.
According to Poland’s Statistical Institute of the Catholic Church, weekly church attendance has dropped from 53 percent of the population in 1987 to less than 40 percent in 2011. It’s the lowest number ever recorded, said Bruce Porter-Szucs, a history professor at the University of Michigan who writes extensively about Poland.
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Catholic faithful around the world celebrate the beatification of the late Pope John Paul II.
This is a far cry from 1978, when Poland’s Cardinal Karol Wojtyla became Pope John Paul II, imbuing Poles with pride – and the Polish Catholic Church with unprecedented energy. That was evident in 1979 when John Paul conducted an eight-day pilgrimage to Poland. Approximately 13 million people — one-third of Poland’s population — came out to greet him.
After John Paul’s death, the commanding role of the papacy in Polish life diminished.
And, as in other parishes around the world, priests in the Polish Catholic Church are facing allegations of sexual abuse. These abuses, often concealed, are seriously damaging the church — especially because critics say the Catholic leaders in Poland are not dealing aggressively with the problem.
Growing secularism is another issue the Polish Catholic Church faces. Church observers say the Vatican must focus on contemporary issues and that there needs to be a Christian renewal to counter the secularism.
"Benedict XVI’s thinking was shaped by the problems of the 20th century,” said Zbigniew Nosowski, editor-in-chief of the Catholic monthly Wiez. “But now we need a pope who will help us face the rapidly emerging problems of the 21st century."
Nosowski said the church lacked a strategy to deal with mounting contemporary problems throughout Benedict’s papacy. He foresees the church accepting a married priesthood this century as a way to counteract the decline in men seeking the priesthood.
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The pope delivers his final audience in St. Peter's Square as he prepares to stand down.
"We will need more priests to fulfill our basic ritual demands — like performance of the Eucharist," he said.
Some religion writers say the resignation of Pope Benedict XVI could provide an opportunity for other equally bold changes, such as open discussion of birth control, civil unions and in vitro fertilization.
"If we can accept the resignation of a pope, we should be able to accept other big changes," said Adam Szostkiewicz, a writer for Polityka, a secular liberal magazine. "People here are prepared for deeper changes and a more democratic style of managing things."
Liberal church leaders supporting change are a dwindling minority, and the Polish church is tilting to the right.
The Polish Catholic Church openly supports the conservative Law and Justice party, which aggressively opposes the moderate coalition government of Prime Minister Donald Tusk and his Civic Platform party. Overt church involvement in politics has alienated moderate Catholics.
"It could destroy the identity and unity of the Catholic Church in Poland," said Zajac. "We are Christians because we believe in Jesus Christ and not because we vote for a political party favored by the church."
Christian moderates are also angered because many Polish bishops support Radio Maryja, an ultraconservative Catholic radio station run by Father Tadeusz Rydzyk, a Catholic priest and Redemptorist.
Janek Skarzynski / AFP - Getty Images, file
Priest Tadeusz Rydzyk (center), chairman of Radio Maryja, demonstrates on Sept. 29, 2012, in Warsaw against Poland's centrist government in a rally called by unions, an ultra-Catholic movement and politicians.
Radio Maryja’s broadcasts have been accused of demonizing Jews, gay men and lesbians, and of opposing Polish membership in the European Union as a corrupting influence. Critics say it has become the voice of the Catholic Church. Others challenge that claim.
A new pope must distance himself from the Polish church’s swing to the far right, said Stanislaw Obirek, a professor of anthropology at Lodz University and an expert on the church. He was a member and teacher in the Jesuit order until 2005.
Obirek said the Polish church started to support radical right-wing groups after the death of Pope John Paul in 2005. The new pope must counter this trend by promoting further democratization of Polish society, he added, stressing that the church cannot continue to cling to its traditional role in a rapidly changing world.
"Polish Catholicism has to radically change itself to adapt to social, religious and political conditions," he said. "Or else condemn itself to marginalization."
Don Snyder, an NBC News producer for more than 25 years, is a special correspondent for NBCNews.com.
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If the state would stop banning religion and stop preaching the opposite of the church it would be a much better world. End abortion, clean up television, give equal time in school to religion of the students choice.
Congratulations on being the first person to post an inane comment that has nothing to do with the article you are posting about. This is an article about Catholics in Poland and you are talking about the American constitutional seperation of church and state. For your information Poland does have optional religious classes in their schools.
"“Well-educated young people from the cities are leaving the church,” said Marej Zajac, a writer for the Polish Roman Catholic weekly magazine Tygodnik Powszechny."
This statement from the actual article says it all. Educated people don't need religion becuase they are smart enough to see it for the superstitious nonsense that it is, but you appear to want a Taliban style of education where your lifestyle is forced down everyones throats. By the way if you want to find out what banning abortion does read the book Freakonomics in the chapter that discusses what happened in Romania and to crime rates in America, but I guess you only read one book and think that is all you need to know.
By the way why do you want religions to have equal time in schools? Isn't there a thing called "church", a tax exempt forum where you can force your own kids to get all of the religion you want them to have. And I am sure you would be so understanding and sympathetic to the kids who, of their own free will, wanted to opt out of any religious instruction.
A good start would be to put in jail ALL PEDOPHILES, start advocating for THE EARTH, and promote BIRTH CONTROL, especially when you can't afford to feed many children, and neither can the planet.
Priests should be allowed to have families of their own, gay priests should be ordained. Stop the SECRECY and the BS that have surrounded you for thousands of years!
The "humane" thing to do is to look up for our planet. It is the only home that mankind has, and it is in the BRINK of destruction. Having as many children as "GOD" wants people to have it's a DUMB STUPID AND ARCHAIC THING THAT NEEDS TO DISAPPEAR.
I'm fanatically "pro-life" ... but the biggest threat to life on planet Earth is the overpopulation of the human species.
Hilarious! NBC quotes this guy for the reason Catholics are leaving the church. Democratic? The Catholic church and the Papacy are not Democratic institutions. This movement away from the church can be expected. Poland hasn't really had their freedom from the Soviet Union that long. The pendulum will swing back and the young people today will come back to the church as they start families. If what they say is true about Radio Maryja then I think it would be a good idea for the membership to speak out against the station. But it might also be that the Radical Left Wing Liberal/Progressives are using the same tactics they do in the US to demonize their enemies.
People in Poland, particularly young families (most marry young and have children not long after) remain Catholic but are very fed up with the Church. It doesn't teach gospel, it teaches a brand of subservience and oligarchism cum conservatism in a country that has now joined up with Europe and modern life. The Polish Catholic Church is a combination of strict medieval practices and money grubbing televangelism. It's not much of an offer for the youth of today, not to mention nothing it has nothing really to do with the teachings of Christ.
I am truly puzzled as to why people think that they need a pope in order to become closer to their conception of god. I don't recall that Jesus of Nazareth ever specified that either a pope or a religious bureaucracy was required in order to become close to god. Jesus didn't wear Prada.
Only a delusional person could believe that this corrupt and evil church could possibly contribute anything positive to human kind. If you stink you have no right to tell others to take a bath. The Roman Church has no moral leg to stand on.
... as well they should. An institution which thrives on the ignorance and fear of its conscripts is doomed to eventual failure, after all. The lack of empirical foundation for, sheer incongruity of and self-contradictory aspects claimed for the nature of "God" aside, once people recognize the utterly contrived and manufactured faux history of Xianity's central figure (Jesus), any trace value left in the Church's teachings will be identifiable as co-opted memes and morals from the extant social fabric.
And the RCC's vampire-like feeding on the life energy of the rather credulous masses will be relegated to the same fairytale dustbin which holds the remnants of all organized religions...
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Ban popes. And Cardinals. And monsignors. Oh, and priests. Ban all pretenders.
I know this is off topic of the article but since others brought up the Catholic Church's position on Birth Control. Ok... I get that hormonal birth control can result in a fertilized egg not being able to implant thereby causing an "abortion". But why can't Catholics use barrier methods such as a condom which does not allow for fertilization. Is this considered subverting God's will? If so... why are they allowed to use natural family planning which involves a person making the decision to not have sex with their spouse during a period of time that they are fertile regardless of the desire to have sex. Isn't that desire for your spouse God's will that you attempt to make a baby? Seems to me you are attempting to subvert God's will.
As well they should. Intelligent people no longer worship the sun either. After nearly two thousand years of corruption and hypocrisy, it's time for humanity to seek goodness and morality beyond the dogma of the Catholic Church.
Then, following your logic to its logical conclusion, it must be God's will that we over-populate the planet and exterminate our own species through starvation, disease and war.
If you believe in a God who wills that, why would you worship him????
gay , pedophile, not much difference both mental disorders, you complain about sex abuse in the rcc and at same time advocate gays into priesthood and boy scouts, dont know about you but my son wont go to a boy scout meeting with a gay troup leader. IRESPOND YOUR POST IS NONSENSICAL
Would it be that they want a Pope that worships man and worldly things and not God?
If they are praying for anything I hope they are praying for a Pope that allows priests to get married.
It wasn't until I started participating in protestant congregations a few years back did I realize why the "bible states" in the US are so influential. Most if the Catholic priests can barely deliver a sermon that is in touch with the people in the room, whereas the protestants start off with "Do you know what my kid did the other day?" or "Do you know we took a family trip and what happened, what we saw?" or...do you know what my wife and I argue about the most?" Then they have EVERYONE'S attention and tell a story that everyone can relate to, and then describe how the church,scripture, God etc says they should deal with the situation. Aside from following cookie cutter procedures in a mass, few Catholic priests can hold a candle to such sermon.
Being raised a devout catholic has nothing to do with this. This celibacy rule was made by human men back when we were just coming out of the dark ages in the political and social climate that time and came from nowhere else.
Don't get upset people. You don't have to like it or agree with it. :(
It is just reality and the change must be made to both cut down on the problems and grow (not shrink) in following.
What other organization could have the amount of child rape that has gone on in the rcc and not get shut down overnight?
We need a morality constitution.
Can we please put the bible down and see it for the nonsense that it is? I mean, I know that it is a valuable piece of literature. But, it's a book. It's not holy. It's a written and printed interpretation of an idea with a few facts mixed in. It is basically a story of interpretation that has been mostly proven to be very distorted and miscontrued.
People need "religion", especially potentially crazy people. They need something that keeps them grounded. I get that. That's why we need a valid replacement. A collective basic human morality list of do's and don't's. Can't we as human beings come together and agree on simple basic morality?
I don't understand why it has to be iffy smoke and mirrors and misconstrued interpretations without any basic limitations. I mean it's out of control. The catholic church is like a stage and puppet show with expensive cloths and jewelry and charades. That doesn't sound like anything to do with the teachings of JC. The child abuse, scandal after scandal, it's right there in front of our eyes. How long must we endure this false morality?
homey,that doesnt make sense. so you are now fanatically pro-destruction? to curb the overpopulation you fear is to be pro-choice.
I should have stopped reading right there, but I wanted to see how deep your ignorance runs.
But you'll let them go with pedophile troop leaders?
Almost all pedophiles are heterosexuals, with many having a wife/ husband and children.
in response to the statement asking for married priests, that is not going to happen. The priests are celibate because Christ was. The priests cann divide themselves between their family and the church. They are "married" to the church and that is their responsibility. There are more than a few of protestant pastors that have failed marriages because their families suffer the divided attention. The celibacy of priests will not change and birth control will not change. There will be no women priests and the Church will not embrace or approve of so called gay marriages. To make such comments is to be totally ignorant of what Catholicism truly is.
@Jeff-3672704,
There was a time when the bible and religion was infused in government. It was called the dark ages.
Some people cannot embrace righteousness for its own sake. They must be frightened into moral obedience through threat of punishment or eternal damnation in hell. They believe in Jesus Christ only through 'miracles' like the virgin birth, turning water into wine, and raising the dead. His life's purpose and philosophy have been forgotten.
That portion of the population is dependent on religion, and that is fine. As long as they grow in their understanding of morality and do not presume to force their ignorance and dependence on other people, as long as they tolerate differences in dogma and accept that they do not have all the answers and never will, perhaps we should just pat them on the head and put a penny in the collection plate to keep them quiet.
You're right, Cheryl. The Catholic Church will not change. It will eventually cease to exist, in much the same fashion as humans have ceased worshipping the sun.
mr ignorance (cant believe your that ignorant) , the spouse is just a cover, at best they are bisexual, dont tell me a man molesting a boy is not also a homosexual act? and of course i wouldnt let him go with a known pedophile
When the pope is having sex with a bishop, is that what's known as doing it "dogma style"?
Priests are celibate because a certain Pope thought it should be that way. Priests were allowed to marry and have families for a long time. Check your history and you'll see that a lot of what you think is based on Christ is actually dogma that was dictated by a single individual or small group of individuals. Even the books in the Bible were decided on by a comittee put together by a Roman emperor. Kind of makes you wonder what got left out, doesn't it?
Thank you Cheryl. I read some of the post. There are many people who are not Catholic so they have no idea what being a Catholic means. And then, there are probably those who call or used to call themselves Catholic and never took the time to learn about their faith. I find it amazing that when an individual is a sports fan, they learn all they can about the sport for which they are interested. They learn the rules of the game, the name of the players, the stats, etc., etc. I know very little about some sports. So I would not be one to comment on a sport I know little about. But, here we have people who know NOTHING about Catholicism, yet have much to say about it.
I find it sad and dangerous.
BMette,
Apostle Peter is considered the first Pope. From Matthew 16:18: "You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church."
You can't recall something you don't know.
Dangerous? The only danger is getting duped by your lack of clear thought. There is an overwhelming amount of information out there to maybe stir up the old brain cells and get some common knowledge and basic understanding in that head of yours. Or, you can continue to turn a blind eye, pretend you know the truth, and play your charade of public displays of moral obedience
There are many who are not Catholic who do understand what it means: brainwashing children with fear and teaching them that their religion is better than all others.
Isn't that what you mean when you talk about being a Catholic? Be honest: you believe your religion is better than all others, the 'one true religion'. You believe only Catholics go to heaven when they die.
My Catholic friends were taught that Protestant women are the equivalent of prostitutes.
Hello! Sports are real and religion is fantasy. You should be comparing knowledge of your church to familiarity with the fairy tales of the Grimm Brothers and Hans Christian Andersen.
I know your holy men raped children with the knowledge of the Pope, who turned a blind eye. That's enough for me. How do you people consider yourselves moral again?
The Pope doesn't need to be modernized, he just needs Rove to give him new talking points and explanations for their existence.
Like....The pope should start wearing those tall pointy party hats backwards, and saying the sign of the cross are gang signage.
When performing a mass the pope needs to do the "James brown cape thing" having his underlings follow him on stage put the robes on him, then having the pope go back on for an encore performance where they yank off the robes, he spins around, does the splits, then rises back up, and then does a chorus or two of "Please, please, please,","Holy Holy, Holy" then have the robes put back on as he shuffles off stage.
Get rid of the whole costume, and have them wear baggy pants hanging down with their underwear showing. Maybe they will go after each other then instead of little boys!
@apostle of truth....Here is the difference between homosexuality and pedophilia. The former is between 2 consenting adults. The latter is the preying upon a child who is unable to make a conscious decision about what is proper and should be between two adults. HUGE difference, and chimp can see that, well except perhaps you.
Pedophilia has NOTHING to do with homosexuality, it is not consensual and therefore rape.
So run along to your school yard homophobic corner and pipe down. Adults are talking.
Irespond, I think you are right on the money. Precisely these reforms are what are needed, and they have broad support throughout the catholic dommunity of europe.
fubar,
I keep hearing this mantra from the left. That and most pedophilia is by heterosexuals. Kinda like a chant. Can you please reference the studies about most pedophilia being perpetrated by heterosexuals? I don't recall ever hearing about the North America Man-Girl Love Association.
@DickCranium
Stop perpetuating the falsehood that supporting homosexual rights and leftism are inexorably linked. Every Leftist regime throughout history has been very hostile towards homosexuals. Haven't you heard of the Log Cabin Republicans?
Comment # 1 restored for clarity.
What a cop out! Claiming that radical elements of religion are not followers of the "true" way without recognizing that they wouldn't even exist without your religion in the first place. Sounds like Islamic leaders attempting to explain radical Islamic terrorists doesn't it. As to those of you who think your church is pure lets see the SHORT list of wars in the name of Christianity: all 11 Crusades, the War of the Roses, The War of Spanish Succession, The hundred Years War, The Spanish Inquisition (albeit really a ethnic cleansing), the Reformation, and the Counter-Reformation. In the modern era religion has been used in: Ethnic Cleansing in Africa, Asia, and the Pacific Rim, World War I, World War II, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan. The point is religion creates strife,discord, and death and needs to be modernized at the very least. As for you idiots who are utilizing this article as a platform for American political religious agendas, get over yourself, not everything has to do with America. Finally, we already had a "Former Nazi" pope as well as two popes who have acted like ostriches in dealing with the whole pedophile issue not only in America but world wide.....so the only place they can go is up?
The problem in Poland is not all that's against the church. It's the church itself. A highly corrupted group of moneychangers known generally as the priesthood with only God knows how many pedo and other criminal or unethical cases swept under the vestments, a passion for sticking their foot in their mouths on every social issue under the sun and an unholy alliance with the far right (including racist hooligans). No, don't pray for a pope to lead you through it, Poland, call for accountabilty for your priests.
Polish Catholics are hoping for a new pope with fresh vision
That would be one of your so-called "miracles" It's not going to happen!!! Catholics are archaic and THEY LOVE IT THAT WAY.
It is so much easier for the 'faithful' to allow themselves to be led by a ring through the nose.
It's much more convenient to be able to commit any moral transgression and then confess it away.
It's very handy to have a father figure in the church make all your difficult decisions for you.
There is no fear of death when you have bought yourself a ticket to heaven.
Modern pope = non sequitur.
It is advice that other Christian denominations have taken, such as the Methodists, Episcopalians, and the United Church of Christ. Their efforts brought in few new members, while at the same time alienating their base. Modernization movements are nothing new, and are really just efforts at secularization. If someone seriously objects to Roman Catholic doctrines, they should just move on. Why pretend to be something that you are not? In turn, if a church believes that its measure of success is simply filling pews or altar rails, it should probably close its doors and liquidate. Its congregants would find as much spiritual fulfillment at a senior center or little league game.

I agree Sorrow01, the Episcopal church follows the same rites as the R.C.C. with the addition of women priest, openly gay ordained Bishops, the priest can marry and have a family. You don't try to change an institution, if you are not happy their are religions out there that will better fit what you are looking for.
Yes...filling pews with contributors. Put your money in the collection plate, folks! That is the definition of success for the RCC. They will stay on as long as the money keeps rolling in.
And they probably do. But they want a guarantee for the afterlife and they believe the church holds the key.
Catholics are taught from birth that theirs is the only true religion, the only way into heaven. They are kept in the faith through fear and intimidation. Leaving the Catholic Church is not an option for some.
Churches that don't have congregants in the pews aren't going to remain open for long. Don't get me wrong. I sure hope the church goes along with your view. As far as I'm concerned the more church doors that close permanently with no hopes of every reopening, the better off society will be.
Absolutely agree with JCF-1362859. Do not adulterate the word of GOD. If you don't want to abide by his commandments and his word, then by all means leave and start your path to hell. People who want a 'modern' church just want to be told it's okay to do their own thing.
Like the Pope told the pedophile priests to do their own thing? If you cannot see and admit the blatant hypocrisy of your church, you have no business lecturing anyone on morality.
Hard to come back from NUMEROUS allocations of pedophilia and other sexual abuses. About time all this came out!
Let's not forget, the priests accused of pedophelia are members of the LGBT community.
better close all day care , all nursing homes, all schools, all ymca's because its worse there than the rcc
"Let's not forget, the priests accused of pedophelia are members of the LGBT community"
No, they are part of the Catholic church who condemns the LGBT community.
Yet study after study shows that they are almost all from the heterosexual community.
It's about power and control, not gender.
keep reading from your cue cards mike
@Kim Jong: Really? Are you really that uninformed? Pedophilia is sexual attraction to children. Homosexuality is sexual attraction to an ADULT of the same sex. I cannot believe the level of ignorance displayed by some people.
Foofo hat wearing celibate pervs deserve mockery not respect.
Seriously, what type of person would sign up for this gig? Someone who's not quite right in the head.
It does not matter who sits on the Bull.
An Ass for an Ass.
Catholics, Jews and Muslims keep humans in the DARK with their impositions. The worst mass killings have been in the name of their individual GODS. Is there any coincidence that these three religions are from the Middle East? The three GODS are merciless, promise you to BURN or be severely PUNISHED if you do not do what they say, and other things. The Devil is an invention to keep people from killing each other.
The best religion is the realization that WE NEED TO HELP EACH OTHER as humans, and that our planet needs our HELP.
FAT CHANCE! people love to bring violence in the name of GOD to justify all kinds of atrocities!
I don't know that your claim that the worst mass killings have been in the name of God, I believe I have heard otherwise, but don't have the proof at this time.
However, more importantly, sometimes someone claiming to be a follower of a particular faith, does something in the name of that god, but in all reality, is not representing what that faith stands for.
Jesus Christ was a radical pacifist. He did not stand for anything such as the Crusades, the Holocaust, or any other number of things done "in the name" of Christ/Christianity. I see those things and recognize that they were NOT followers of Christ.
Lastly, I find it interesting that the Poles want a "modern" pope. As Christians, isn't what they ought to be seeking, first and foremost, is a faithful, Bible-believing leader...not someone who will distort the Scripture to gain some modern popularity contest?
wait till "mother earth" opens a great big hole under your arse and swallows you up ,then lets see how much you LOVE her
Thank you so much, Fair-n-square, for your reply. It is a calm voice of reason in this cesspool.
A Palm Branch to pass.
Feel free to click on the '!' after this (and all igby's) posts and select 'No Value'
Thank you.
A palm Branch to Pass.
Count the branches Seven to one.
Past the Silver and then there is none.
Cry for Wine and Whimper for Bread.
Keep Clean the Keeper or least you'll be dead.
But death is good for sight you'll will see.
Forget your sin and bend your knees.
For all your Gold you'll buy tomorrow.
Woe is the man who'll shed his sorrow.
Hold your seed for life is within.
Break the chain and have no Sin.
Fall on the Sword made blade drips with blood.
The tree stand alone a mist of the flood.
That is a very good poem.
Myth believer LOL.
To put millennials in pews the new Pope better have a "squeaky clean" history and a Twitter account. Cardinal Corporate Responsibility Policies should be exorcised, not demons. Throw off those pointy hats and silly robes and get into the ghettos to feed, house, and educate the poor. Get your hands dirty doing the good work of the Christ, and stop sweeping your own dirt under the rug.
Actually, the church does a very good job, even today, when it comes to schools/universities, hospitals and services to the poor through Catholic Charities, the latter of which has few peers in the world of charitable work. I'm no defender of the church when it comes to doctrine, structure, or the conduct of priests but lets give credit where credit is due.
Who will prevent me from shedding it's breath.
"In Poland, widely considered the most Catholic country in Europe, the church has been plagued by dwindling attendance, surging secularism and increasing alienation among young people."
It's called growing up Poland - welcome to the club.
Bread corn is bruised there is nothing left.
Past the makers Wine Holy and true.
Uh oh, Obama must be in trouble again... 4 front page catholic bashing articles on MSN/NBC to divert attention. Did the news run out of gun control or gay rights stories or something to take attention away from the president?
Hey, just for fun, anyone out there know what the presidente did this weekend?
he accused Bush of talking about him. as usual, the response was an insult. little did he know it wasn't him Bush talked about. guilty party is always the first to respond with insult. a guilty person is a very sensitive person.
Any 'ol excuse to diss Obama, huh? Are you capable of anything else?
The man BEGS to be dissed. Tell me ONE constitutional thing he has done or promoted since he was in office? Tell me ONE original idea that he has had? He is just like Al Gore and steals every idea, good or bad, from someone else.
The fowls on Heaven hid nothing from you,
Huh?
Fed are they Wine and Blood from a New.
Huh?
poor igby lost his mind