Israel is just trying to minimize any casualties when some Palestinian detonates his/her vest. The best practice for the backwards countries is segregation if they both want to exist.

There was going to be growing pains, and with them comes the scope of the problem. The hatred for people who are different is now manifesting in "prejudice", or "racism". This seems to be the growing pain pattern for accepting a new way of thinking...I just hope it does not take as long as it has in past countries to evolve from the "Rosa parks" days...

Thank goodness we have scholars that have studied this and can offer solutions based on success...it will not cure all, but a "million man march" and a nice speech along with voting rights ...can be a good start, or something along those lines..lets not take 50 years ok Israel-be intelligent

It is so messed up, because I usually come down on the side of Israel with the ludicrous terrorism launched from the Palestinian Territory. On the other hand, I have no illusion that Isreal is now a racist state. May have been for some time.

But apparently, the U.S. has to back WHICH RACISTS WE NEED. And let's face it, backing Isreal isn't about morality. It is about strategic interests. Morality is the spin your moron politician puts on it because WE THE PEOPLE don't want to deal with that we don't care as long as we have a good excuse and cheap gas.

Democrats and Republicans alike, come on! Like me, you conveniently ignore how much money you save at the cost of some other kids blood. As long as that kid isn't American. YOU and I LOVE IT.

ugh, only in america would you not understand this. let me explain because MSN makes it sound terrible (as always with their pro-palestinian crap)...

the west bank is considered another territory (think of it as another country). when you come and go from a country, there are serious ID and security checks.

having segregated buses makes all of this easier. otherwise, everyone on the bus has to be stopped.

FOR THE RECORD, palestinians are allowed to work in israel and many are given citizenship through ancestry. israelis are strongly discouraged from entering the west bank because of safety concerns.

this has nothing to do with racism. its a security issue.

if they were separating jews and non-jews, THAT is racism.

try and understand how the middle east works.... while you're trying to do that, REALIZE its not like the US at all.

No problem, if they give the Israels any problems, they'll be easy to find. In that case a couple of captured Hamas roadside welcoming devices will immediately remove the threat.

The majority of the world believes that people are actually UNEQUAL. When our system (US) fails, the pendulum will swing to the extreme of this (genocide? It's happenned many times before) to reflect this view.

Only Muslims are permitted in Mecca and Medina!

"The line came into operation Monday and immediately had Israeli human rights groups up in arms."

Are the human rights groups dead?

Saudi Arabia does not permit non-Muslim religious places and Bibles.

Why should Muslims be permitted to have their their mosques, especailly the Sunni ruling Saudis and co funded Salaffi and Wahhabi mosques all over the world?

Are the laws, rules and big words one-way traffic in the world?

I have not heard of Jews strapping on bombs and getting on bus's and blowing everyone up.

rockmebritney

the west bank is considered another territory (think of it as another country). when you come and go from a country, there are serious ID and security checks.

having segregated buses makes all of this easier. otherwise, everyone on the bus has to be stopped.

The same checks are required when you travel between countries on a plane. Those checks are made as you get on the plane. There would be no need to stop any buses. Your excuses are worse than the Israeli's.

if they were separating jews and non-jews, THAT is racism.

??? That is what they're doing. They are separating Arabs from non-Arabs. How do you fail to comprehend this?

"Separate bus lines for Palestinians prove that occupation and democracy cannot coexist," she added.

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The West Bank is occupied territory. The Palestinians are not citizens of Israel...so any reference to "democracy" is inane. When the US occupied Germany and Japan, did that make them part of the United States and give the residents the rights of American citizens?

"And while the rights groups agree that there are legitimate security concerns, they also claim that "security" is a cover-all concept that leads to blanket discrimination against Arabs."

If that is the case, what is going on against Shiites in Bahrain?

Assad is far comparatively a better ruler among ME Muslim rulers.

Compare him with House of Saud consisting of a seventh century despotic and bigoted Wahhabi ruler with his 5000 princes and princesses and their big "proud" harems!

Why are the Sunnis of Syria and oil rich Sunni rulers not tolerating Assad?

A different Muslim sect means: death and oppression!

Take the case of Kurds and their genocides in Turkey.

Here a different Muslim tribe means: genocides and oppression!

Look who are talking and barking and for whom?

The first important point to note is that Palestinians are not banned on other buses... they just feel that if there is a bus that is only Palestinian, regardless of the mechanics of where this bus is coming from or going to, it may lead to not allowing Palestinians on the Israeli only buses.

This is the equivelant of saying Catholic private schools are bad because they may cause public schools to not allow Catholics to join, eventually.

Any excuse for apartheid. you all sound like little kids to me. Johnathan, you are a liar. many NON-muslums go to mecca and madina.

Ya su malaka, go look up the bombing of the king David hotel, or the murder of an english soldeir and the placement of an explosive under his body in 1947 by the irgun. They invented the Mallitaf cocktail. guess who they used it on. palestinian civilians in the 1940s. The irgun and stern gang was killing Arabs decades before there was a PLO or Hamas.

I expect ignorance from the far right, Not from a fellow Greek.

Backcountry164 - there are many arab jews and many arab non jews. separating palestinians and israelis is NOT separating jews and non-jews. i live in israel. i probably know better than you. this is a security issue, bottom line. and going in and out of the west bank is a LOT less safe than getting on a plane. again, stupid american comparison.

The Palestinians don't need a Rosa Parks. They need a Martin Luther King.

if they were separating jews and non-jews, THAT is racism.

??? That is what they're doing. They are separating Arabs from non-Arabs. How do you fail to comprehend this?

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When you have an ongoing threat of suicide bombers, separating Arabs from non-Arabs makes emininent good sense. The point the original poster was making is that I, a non-jew, would be able to ride the Israeli bus because my demographic has no history of jihad against Israel.

Yes, it would be possible, as with airplanes, to search each and every passenger. But far more convenient and efficient not to have to do so and simply rely on the Palestinians not to blow up their own kind. Besides, why even subject the guards to the threat of a suicide bomber?

Demostenes, but it's so much easier to kill a bus load of palestinians or refuse to rescue in case of a crash. It's just israel showing it's true colors. If you read the article, you know that some israelis are against apartheid.

to Demosthenes:

Outside the topic, but your alias is great. I know it's originally the name of a Greek polemicist, but was wondering of you use the name because of Card's Ender's Game stories (can't stand Card's politics, but his books are fantastic)? Just wondering.

Seriously, Road Less Traveled ?

You're way off.

This is not about hate, but about survival.

As Orph above you correctly states, neither Rosa Parks, nor any of the "negros" at the time, were blowing up buses. There have been, in the past 12 years, 175 suicide bombers in Israel, 30% of those on buses and trains. If 1/10th of that number happened in the U.S., public transportation would come to a standstill.

I'm trying to find your other postings condemning these bombings, Road, but I cant seem to find any - can you help out ?

You are probably the SAME guy who claims that political correctness is killing our country - but, of course, when it comes to Israel, they should just stfu and continue to die from these bombs, because to do otherwise, is "racist". Thank goodness Israel is not hobbled by the P.C. culture.

What would you rather ? That Israel stop allowing Pal's into Israel to work ? Or just accept the deaths as a cost of "equality"? On second thought, DONT answer - any answer you give from the comfort of your couch, 12,000 miles away from danger, means nothing.

The Rosa Parks comparison is bunk because all the terrorist activities being perpetrated back during the Civil Rights struggle era were AGAINST the protesting blacks by the white racist establishment, not because blacks were committing acts of terrorism themselves in protest; fire bombings, lynchings, assaults on Freedom Riders and Voting Registration workers, etc.

But on the other hand had apartied segregation persisted in the US (at least the overt form that dominated most of the 20th Century, and not the de facto segregation we claim as normal now, who is to say that the American Civil Rights struggle wouldn't have taken a more South African (or even Palestinian) turn towards more violent protest. Thank God for all concerned that the US in the midst of the Cold War chose international image over authoritarian population control.

Another point to consider is the Israeli forced sterlization program used against Eithopian Jews seeking asylum in their country. Seems odd that a group of people who were subjected to eugenics research and forced sterilization under Dr. Mengele would be more sensitive about practicing that same form of genocide on others. Again, glad international pressure forced the US to conceed social change rather than more forcibly seeking to prevent it, at least that time around anyway.

AND, BTW, there are peaceful, nonviolent Palestinian protests... the US media, however, almost NEVER reports on those protests, though. Something to do with propagandizing the enemies of our regional allies as all bloodthirsty terrorists rather than as people seeking acknowledgement of their territory claims or their "inalienable" human rights.

Corky-3849596

I do not understand how MSN/NBC can possibly spin this story around to make Israel the bad guys.

You do understand that the groups protesting this are Israeli right? Not everything you disagree with in the media is "liberal spin".

rockmebritney

Backcountry164 - there are many arab jews and many arab non jews. separating palestinians and israelis is NOT separating jews and non-jews

I stand corrected but my point remains valid, they could do the checks before anyone gets on the bus removing any need to stop it at the checkpoints and invalidating your excuse.

Cincinnati Rick

if they were separating jews and non-jews, THAT is racism.

No, that's common sense. Bombers on one bus non-bombers on the other.

Haven't there been enough of these Palestinian "Freedom Fighters" already? Palestinian Rosa Parks? Please, don't encourage them! Having said that, it is not good that they are segregating like this. And I certainly do NOT condone separation of people like this. And there are peaceful Palestinians, although somehow none of their leaders are.

But to bring up Rosa Parks to compare it to the Palestine cause? Really? That would be laughable if it weren't so pathetic. If Palestine really wanted peace, they would not only acknowledge Israel's right to exist but stop trying to blow up Israel every so often. Yes, end the segregation. But don't think for a second they are anything close to the cause Rosa Parks stood for.

When non-Muslims surrounded by Muslims do anything, then it becomes a big mistake/crime.

This separate bus issue for Palestinians is one clear example.

Why don’t the media, human rights groups, women rights groups and all big words using/talking/barking people highlight the plight of non-Muslims, minority sect and tribe Muslims and females in Sunni Muslim nations?

THIS NEWS ITEM ITSELF IS AN EXAMPLE OF DISCRIMINATION!

It figures our controlled media would make such a faulty comparison with Rosa Parks and segregation on buses in Israel. Their situation is a completely different cup of tea and anyone trying to make such a stand could face much harsher circumstances. Not that it makes anything ok- it's just a different situation altogether.

@ RalphH,

What, only years? You do remember that whole rocket launch over the boarder thing that Palestine does every few years, right? I mean considering they just got through doing it, I'm not sure how people like you can conveniently overlook this. And each time, Palestine was the aggressor, not Israel. Just like in the wars. Palestine and co. attacked first every time, and even on a Jewish holy day. Can you imagine the outcry the Palestinians would make if someone attacked them on their holy day? Israel only took land AFTER it as attacked. If the Palestinians really wanted peace, they not only wouldn't attack Israel in the first place, but would stop launching rockets over the boarder (instigating) every few years, quit playing the victim after they do so, and actually acknowledge Israel's right to exist. If you actually sympathize with that, than I don't know what to say. Otherwise, make sure your "facts" tell the whole story.

I think there are just as many IGNORANT people here, don't let that word America get to your head just because you're an American, it does not mean your smarter than a PET MONKEY, some of you seem like you should have the WORD "STUPID" tattooed on your forehead. The theory of common sense went out the window, people here prove time and again their just plain stupid.

Backcountry164 - you are not understanding. you are not dealing with people who are trying to get along with each other. the palestinians want the israelis dead. its hardly a good idea to put israelis on a bus with palestinians.

Iranian fanatic ralph - You can't remember any buses being blown up in years? Like three (3) years ago? you also don't remember your country attacked the US embassy in 1979, or the USS stark or US civilians in Khobar tower, or US marines in Beirut in 1983, but you do remember USS liberty in 1967.

You need to STOP your prop[aganda for your filthy lying ayatollah regime and get medical care for your selective memory. Your repeated cut and paste garbage does not work anymore.

Are any of you aware of the attacks on Palestinians that have occurred over the last 70 years? Suicide bombs, missiles, soldiers breaking into homes (literally blowing out a wall) in the middle of the night, killing innocent people and then moving on.

This is not a one sided thing. Neither side can claim innocence and neither side can point a finger and say the other instigated it.

Ralph, Nov. 21st, 2012 bomb set off in bus in Tel Aviv. So much for that nonsense.

@ jjj,

Except that the Palestinians do almost always instigate, and then cry when Israel actually has the nerve to fight back. If they really wanted peace, they would acknowledge Israel's right to exist and stop launching rockets over the boarder every few years. Until then, they are just hypocrites. Not to say Israel is always completely innocent. But in a region where all their neighbors are hostile, often attack, and often say they want to eradicate Israel of the face of the planet, I can hardly blame them for being on edge sometimes.

Cincinnati Rick:

When you have an ongoing threat of suicide bombers, separating Arabs from non-Arabs makes emininent good sense. The point the original poster was making is that I, a non-jew, would be able to ride the Israeli bus because my demographic has no history of jihad against Israel.

Yes, it would be possible, as with airplanes, to search each and every passenger. But far more convenient and efficient not to have to do so and simply rely on the Palestinians not to blow up their own kind. Besides, why even subject the guards to the threat of a suicide bomber?

OK, lets re-cast the players and see if it sounds racist:

When you have an ongoing threat of gang activity, separating blacks from whites makes emininent good sense. The point the original poster was making is that I, a Pacific Islander, would be able to ride the white bus because my demographic has no history of gang violence against whites.

Yes, it would be possible, as with airplanes, to search each and every passenger. But far more convenient and efficient not to have to do so and simply rely on the blacks not to shoot their own kind. Besides, why even subject the guards to the threat of gang activity?

Yup. That's racist alright.

See, the thing is, convenient and efficient do not justify doing the wrong thing. There are far more important considerations here.

RalphH: I have a book written by Bishop Elias Chacour that says the exact same thing as you are saying. His family had a large olive grove farm in Israel and when the Israeli Jews were allowed to return to Israel after WWII they kicked the Chacour family out of their nice home, and destroyed the olive groves so they could develop the land as they saw fit. The Chacour family ended up in what we in US would consider a shack w/o running water. I'm not Palestinian, but I am a Christian who has followed this Jew/Palestinian conflict for past 15 - 20 years and will agree there are Palestinians who would do harm (sort of like a rattlesnake that strikes out if threatened), but there are no doubt a lot more Palestinians who would like to live in peace in a state of their own (unoccupied by Israeli Jews).

If the Israelis are so concerned about Palestinians blowing up buses, I suggest searching passengers before they board. This seems to work well at their airports.

Of course, whites were afraid of black retaliation as well--they feared black people poisoning them or slaughtering them. This is why black people were often hung or castrated or beaten and arrested. These methods often work better than segregated buses, Israel. Why not just kill all the Palestinians and be rid of the problem forever?

Of course, if Israel is doing the right thing by its citizens, they would have little to fear.

Not analogous at all. Blacks weren't blowing up buses. They were being discriminated against solely because of their color.

Here, Palestinians blow up buses and murder people. They should be restricted from riding with others that they would murder.

Those that oppose this common sense approach are lacking in the powers of rational analysis.

Ya-su-ma you are correct Israelis don't strap bombs to themselves. They pack the basement of hotels with explosives and attack US warships. In fact the first act of modern terrorism was the bombing of the King David Hotel.

When is the last time a bus was blown up?

Maybe you should look at another group of terrorists from 1776. Yes that's what the English called us.

Israel is just trying to minimize any casualties when some Palestinian detonates his/her vest. The best practice for the backwards countries is segregation if they both want to exist.

The same argument was made about the blacks, who many feared would riot during the civil rights era.

no improvements will ever come to the middle east until fundamentalist violent islam stops suppressing knowledge (and the education of women.)

there is no winning in this situation. segregation will breed more hate. but then again terrorism also does too.

The quest for safety from terrorists is not synonymous with discrimination.

Rosa Parks??? NFW!!!

Why don't the arabs living in the West Bank and Gaza create some new kind of hero that their own people can look up to...mmm...like maybe someone who will stop bomb tossers or suicidal jihadists??? Then they can really have a hero of their own and everyone can ride the bus together and no one has to worry about losing their life. What a concept!!! In fact, I'll even go so far as to say this may even cause improvement in other situations. Imagine that!!!

What kind of Sensationalistic Writing is this? The Title. Segregated buses for Palestinians and the Israeli's.

Anyone who had a brain cell in their head, would know the Palestinians are out to get the Israeli's. They are living on the front doorstep of Israel, welcome to live in Israel. Terrorists? What an easy Target for HAMAS, and other Terrorist Groups to blow up innocent citizens--that is like saying the Palestinians were separated from the Jews at a Bar Mitzvah, or a wedding where they have already caused havoc with suicide bombings!

Maybe Israel should invite them to their Synagogues to pray with them--OMG.

Israel has given much of their owned territory and Settlements over to the Palestinians on demand by the US Government and Palestine. They can reach over the border, many living in Israel.

And that is STILL not enough. This has nothing to do with Rosa Parks, and the Caucasians in the South.

Mqira: (Post 1.23)-

Sorry I missed your post the first time around.

Congratulations - of all the posts on here, you take the prize for idiocy. Your mom would be SO proud.

These 'activists' are such idiots.

Neither Rosa Parks nor any of the Freedom Riders carried and detonated bombs to kill everyone on the bus.

Yet, amazingly, some Palestinians do just that. This way, the only truly kill and maim their own, while only seriously injuring the Israelis.

I always knew that liberals everywhere had zero common sense. . . .

Eh......another day, another _________________(fill in the blank), in the life of ______________(fill in the blank).

gary-309869

Not analogous at all. Blacks weren't blowing up buses. They were being discriminated against solely because of their color.

Here, Palestinians blow up buses and murder people. They should be restricted from riding with others that they would murder.

Palestinians aren't blowing up buses. Palestinian terrorists are. The analogy is fine. Ever been to any black-dominated inner city? Move to the edges and see if every young male black person isn't treated as a potential gang-banger. Israel is racist. It's sad because I support their right to exist, but not if they must be racist to do so. Those with honor do the right thing regardless of consequences. Israel is not acting with honor here.

mqira:

Oh, so the Alien has arrived from Mars---#1.23---

rockmebritney

ugh, only in america would you not understand this. let me explain because MSN makes it sound terrible (as always with their pro-palestinian crap)...

the west bank is considered another territory (think of it as another country). when you come and go from a country, there are serious ID and security checks.

having segregated buses makes all of this easier. otherwise, everyone on the bus has to be stopped.

FOR THE RECORD, palestinians are allowed to work in israel and many are given citizenship through ancestry. israelis are strongly discouraged from entering the west bank because of safety concerns.

this has nothing to do with racism. its a security issue.

if they were separating jews and non-jews, THAT is racism.

try and understand how the middle east works.... while you're trying to do that, REALIZE its not like the US at all.

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That is racism what Israel is doing. That "reasoning" of yours can be used to separate Caucasian people from African American people simply because the Caucasian people are fearful that African Americans might pull a gun on them.

@HowVerySad

The name is based on how the monicker Demosthenes was used by Card... Very similar to the way people post on news articles and political commentary online today. You just will never know who my Locke is :)

Here we have the left wing media victimizing terrorist.

What the bigots here conveniently fail to realize is that the bus in the photo transported Palestinian workers from Tel Aviv to the West Bank. These buses are chartered for that purpose. The buses take these workers directly back to their villages in the West Bank where no Jews live. On the other hand, Arabs who live in Israel travel freely with Israelis on Israeli buses. Why don't you go to Israel and see for yourselves.

This is idiotic, concocted, nonsense... This is a "Defacto" 'Palastinian Only Bus', not a mandated one, Huge difference. This is a 'palastinian Only bus' because it operates strictly from the point of entry Palastinians (not merely arabs), That is, Non-citizens from the west bank, seeking entry on work permits, must use.

There is no law banning them from any busses, or banning israeli citizens from these busses... Isreali citizens are allowed to enter at other points as well, and choose to, because they believe the risk of being blown up is smaller there. Once the palastinians are in israel they ride any bus they please, If they could enter from any other entry point into israel, they'd be allowed on those busses as well... This is not segragation... This would be the equivalent of having a single point where mexicans with valid work permits could enter the US and complaining that all the busses there were mexican only....

"A riot broke out Tuesday morning when Palestinians discovered there were not enough buses to take them all to their jobs in Israel." Curious that they want to eliminate a country that offers them work. Wonder why they don't seek work in Jordan?

@denver bill2 (#1.18): "The Palestinians don't need a Rosa Parks. They need a Martin Luther King." Did you know that Martin Luther King was pro-Jewish and pro-Israel? Try again.

I am a huge supporter of Israel's right to defend itself and many of the practices it uses to do so (not all) and I must say this certainly crosses the line. This is clearly discrimination under the guise of defense. Unlike some of the other barriers Israel has imposed which have been effective, this will do little to nothing to prevent an attack, and may actually spark one.

We didn't create separate airlines for Muslims in the wake of 9/11, did we?

Hi Basil. Funny you should ask this question...

A riot broke out Tuesday morning when Palestinians discovered there were not enough buses to take them all to their jobs in Israel." Curious that they want to eliminate a country that offers them work. Wonder why they don't seek work in Jordan?

Here's one answer but there are many more articles and videos on this subject.

http://www.hrw.org/news/2012/07/04/jordan-bias-syrian-border

Let's face it...where would you rather work and live but yet, they continue to bite the hand that feeds them...go figure.

Basil:

Excellent point!---wish more people here could really understand the dynamics of the Middle Eastern Culture..

and I must say this certainly crosses the line.

Crosses the line???!!!! And someone who murders children or blows up a market would be doing what??? Crossing a big line???

Israel has been under attack literally since 1948 but yet continues to hold out an olive branch only to be rebuffed time and again and you're worried about separate work buses???

Just maybe MSM has missed some of the story. I know it is hard to believe their reporting is always so through, but maybe they are trying to help.

"The Transport Ministry explained that the new bus service was intended to "improve public transport services for Palestinian workers entering Israel", replacing unofficial buses that were demanding "exorbitant prices". They also said that Palestinian workers would not be prevented from travelling on regular public transport, either in Israel or on the West Bank." From the Telegraph

I agree with the above poster that said Palestinians need a Martin Luther King, not just a Rosa Parks. The only hope they have of getting anywhere is through nonviolent resistance.

The only hope they have of getting anywhere is through nonviolent resistance.

...or, m-a-y-b-e, better yet, non-violent COexistence.

Goodday Chef and Marchant. How much more abuse can we take? Sigh... Thanks for the link Chefaz.

@Jeff (#1.69): Astute repartee!

Rockmebritney,

Time for you to understand how it works here in the U.S. I and the rest of my fellow countrymen bust our azzes so that Uncle Sam can take a substantial amount of our earnings (that would be $3.1 billion annually) and give it to you and your countrymen FOR FREE! That's enough money for everyone of you freeloaders to each buy your own phucking bus and/or explosive vest. I pay your bills therefore I don't have to understand nor care why you can't get along with others. The only thing I and the rest of countrymen get out of this deal is to having to listen to ungrateful shiits like you. If it weren't me and my co-workers you would be eating sand and sucking on goat teats just to survive. Go back under the rock you climbed out from and take that hand you always have out with you.

@hadenuff (#1.72): Then may I suggest that "ugrateful shiits like you" avoid using anything that was invented by an Israeli or a Jew.

Previosly posted by Steven B:

"To prove your dedication to hate all things Jewish, please avoid taking
advantage of any of the following:

Link at the bottom:

REALLY PRACTICAL INVENTIONS: Jeans, Lipstick, the Ballpoint Pen, Contraceptives, Instant Coffee, Television Remote Control, Traffic Lights, Scotchguard, the Flexistraw.

REALLY BIG INVENTIONS: The Atomic Bomb, the Thermonuclear Bomb, God, Genetic Engineering, the Nuclear Chain Reactor, Virtual Reality.

CULTURAL CONTRIBUTIONS: Hollywood, the Sit-Com, the Long Playing Record, Woodstock, Sound Movies, Videotape, Color Television, Instant Photography, Holography

GAME CHANGERS:
Monotheism, Psychoanalysis, the Theory of Relativity, the Weekend (Shabbat)

INVENTIONS BEGINNING WITH THE LETTER “C’: Capitalism, Communism, Circumcision, Cheesecake, Cafeterias

NEVER BUY RETAIL:
Discount Stores, Pawn Shops, the Shopping Cart and the Ready-to-Wear Clothing Industry

I FEEL BETTER ALREADY: Prozac, Valium, The Polio Vaccine, Radiation, Chemotherapy, the Artificial Kidney Dialysis machine, the Defibrillator, the Cardiac Pacemaker, Vaccination against the deadly “Hepatitis B” virus, the Vaccinating Needle, Laser Technology

CHAI TECH:
Google, the Wire Transmission Facsimilie (FAX) , the Microphone, the Gramophone, the Microprocessing Chip, Optical Fiber Cable, Laser, Cellular Technology, the Videotape Recorder

HOW DID WE LIVE WITHOUT THESE?: Drip Irrigation, Scale Model Electric Trains, the Pager, the Walkie-talkie, Refrigerated Railroad Car, High-vacuum Electron Tubes, the Incandescent Lamp, Kodachrome Film, the Blimp, the Adding Machine, Stainless Steel, Tapered Roller Bearings.

A NOBLE PEOPLE:
At least 178 Jews have been awarded the Nobel Prize, accounting for 23% of all individual recipients worldwide between 1901 and 2008, and constituting 37% of all US recipients during the same period. In the scientific research fields of Chemistry, Economics, Medicine and Physics, the corresponding world and US percentages are 27% and 40%, respectively. (Jews currently make up pproximately 0.25% of the world’s population and 2% of the US population).

http://boulderjewishnews.org/2009/an-informal-list-of-jewish-inventions-innovations-and-radical-ideas/

I hope Steven B has no objection to me posting his narrative.

@hadenuff: Clearly "shiits like you" are indeed ungrateful.

Steven B had previously posted this.

Regarding Israel's contributions to the world:

Science

Chemistry

Model of quasicrystals, discovered by Nobel prize winner Dan Shechtman of the
Technion

Discovery of Quasicrystals by Dan Shechtman of the
Technion.^[1] The discovery led him to receive the Nobel Prize
in Chemistry

• Discovery of the role of protein Ubiquitin by Avram
  Hershko and Aaron Ciechanover of the Technion Institute (together with the
  American Jewish biologist Irwin Rose). The discovery led them to receive
  the Nobel Prize in Chemistry.^[2][3]

Physics

Eshkol-Wachman Movement Notation

Prediction of Quarks by Yuval Ne'eman of Tel Aviv
University (together with the American physicist Murray Gell-Mann).^[4]

• Discovery of the Aharonov–Bohm effect by Yakir Aharonov
  and David Bohm.^[5]
• Formulation of Black holes Entropy by Jacob Bekenstein
  of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.^[6][7]

Optics

World's smallest video camera - a camera with a 0.99 mm
diameter, designed to fit in a tiny endoscope designed by Medigus.^[8]

• Development of the "Pillcam" by Given
  Imaging, the first Capsule endoscopy solution to record images of the
  digestive tract. The capsule is the size and shape of a pill and contains
  a tiny camera.^[9]

Medicine

Pillcam endoscopic capsule developed by Given Imaging

Eshkol-Wachman Movement Notation - a notation system
for recording movement on paper that has been used in many fields,
including dance, physical therapy, animal behavior and early diagnosis of
autism.^[10]

• Development of the Copaxone immunomodulator drug for
  treating multiple sclerosis. It was developed in the Weizmann Institute of
  Science in Israel by Michael Sela, Ruth Arnon and Deborah Teitelbaum.^[11][12]
• Development of the Interferon proteins by Michel Revel
  from the Weizmann Institute of Science in Israel.^[13]
• Development of taliglucerase alfa (Elelyso), a
  recombinant glucocerebrosidase enzyme produced from transgenic carrot cell
  cultures.^[14] Taliglucerase alfa won approval from the U.S.
  Food and Drug Administration in May 2012 as an orphan drug for the
  treatment of Type 1 Gaucher's disease.^[15]

Economics

Work of Daniel Kahneman and Amos Tversky of the Hebrew
University of Jerusalem explaining irrational human economic choices.^[16]

• Developments in Game theory. Israel Aumann of the
  Hebrew University of Jerusalem received the Nobel Prize in Economics for
  his work in this field.^[17]
• The Rubinstein bargaining model, one of the most influential findings in game theory, refers to a class of bargaining games that feature alternating offers through an infinite time horizon. The proof is from Ariel Rubinstein 1982.^[18]

Biotechnology

Nanowire - a conductive wire made of a string of tiny
particles of silver, a thousand times thinner than a human hair. developed
by Uri Sivan, Erez Braun and Yoav Eichen from the Technion.^[19]

• World's smallest DNA computing machine system -
  "the smallest biological computing device" ever constructed,
  according to Guinness Book of Records, which is composed of enzymes and
  DNA molecules capable of performing simple mathematical calculations and
  which uses its input DNA molecule as its sole source of energy it was
  developed in 2003 in the Weizmann Institute of Science by professor Ehud
  Shapiro and his team.^[20][21]

Theoretical computer science

Michael O. Rabin introduced the concept of
nondeterministic finite automatons.^[22]

• Amir Pnueli introduced temporal logic into computing
  science.

Defense

Uzi Submachine gun - invented by Uzi Gal. The
development was completed in 1955.^[23][24] The Uzi is heavily
based on the slightly earlier Czechoslovakian Sa vz. 23 submachine gun.
"The Sa 23 series was favored for its reliability, compact size, and
full automatic fire capability. It is well known that the Sa 23 influenced
Uziel Gal's design of the Uzi submachine gun."^[25]

• Gabriel - a sea-skimming anti-ship missile.^[26]
• Arrow - a family of operational anti-ballistic missiles.
  Jointly funded and produced by Israel and the United States.^[27][28]
• IAI Lavi - an ambitious Israeli production of a modern
  fighter aircraft. The IAI Lavi was largely based on the existing American
  F-16 fighter jet, and controversy led to the US pressuring Israel to
  discontinue production and later controversy of charges Israel provided
  China with blueprints leading to the Chinese Chengdu J-10 fighter known to
  also be based on the US F-16.^[29]
• Protector USV ia an unmanned surface vehicle, developed
  by the Rafael Advanced Defense Systems. It is the first of its kind to be
  used in combat.^[30]
• Python - a family of air-to-air missiles (AAMs) built
  by the Israeli weapons manufacturer Rafael Advanced Defense Systems.^[31]
• Unmanned aerial vehicles - an aircraft that flies
  without a human crew on board the aircraft. Their largest uses are in
  military applications. Developed by Israel Aircraft Industries.^[32]
• Nautilus laser system - a laser developed for military
  use. Jointly funded and produced by Israel and the United States.^[33][34]
• Iron Dome - a mobile air defense system in development
  by Rafael Advanced Defense Systems designed to intercept short-range
  rockets and artillery shells. On April 7, 2011, the system successfully
  intercepted a Grad rocket launched from Gaza, marking the first time in
  history a short-range rocket was ever intercepted.^[35] The Iron
  Dome system has been heavily financed and supported by the United States
  government.^[36]
• Barak 1 - a surface-to-air missile designed to be used
  as a point-defense missile system on warships, defending against aircraft,
  anti-ship missiles, and UAVs.
• MUSIC (Multi Spectral Infrared Countermeasure) - a
  system that counter surface-to-air heat-seeking missiles. It is
  manufactured by Elbit Systems.^[37]
• MagnoShocker - combines a metal detector and a taser
  which could be used to neutralized immediately a dangerous person. It was
  developed by the mathematician Amit Weissman and his colleagues Adir Kahn
  and Zvi Jordan.^[38]
• Reconnaissance satellite TecSAR - developed and built
  by Israel Aerospace Industries.^[39]
• Tavor TAR-21 assault rifle - a modern assault rifle
  designed with the aim to be used as the IDF's standard assault rifle. The
  rifle was the developed by "Magen", the small arms division of
  the Israel Military Industries (IMI). The development of Tavor was
  completed in 2001. In 2005 Magen was sold to the Israeli company Israel
  Weapon Industries (IWI) which continues to develop and produce the rifle.
  The MTAR-21 (Micro Tavor) was recently selected as the future assault rifle
  of the Israeli Defense Forces, and within the next few years it will
  become the standard Israeli infantry weapon.^[40]
• Technion Satellite - launched into space in July 1998,
  it is one of the smallest satellites in the world. Cube-shaped satellite
  which has 45 centimeter-long sides and weighs 48 kilograms and has an
  extremely low power consumption. The Technion satellite began as a student
  project of the Faculty of Aerospace Engineering, supervised by Haim Eshed
  and initiated by Giora Shaviv, former head of the Asher Space Research
  Institute (ASRI) at the Technion.^[41][42]
• Wall radar - a unique radar which utilizes Ultra Wide
  Band (UWB) to allows users to see through walls. Developed by the Israeli
  company Camro.^[43]

Arrow anti-ballistic missile

• The IMI Uzi submachine gun
• The IAI Lavi
• The Tavor TAR-21 assault rifle
• Iron Dome

Computing

Computer hardware

USB flash drive, originally marketed as the DiskOnKey

USB flash drive - a flash memory data storage device
integrated with a USB interface. The Israeli company M-Systems (in
partnership with IBM) developed and manufactured the first USB flash
drives available in North America.^[44] This claim is challenged
by multiple companies in Singapore (Trek Technology, Malaysia and China
(Netac Technology).^[45]

Quicktionary Electronic dictionary – a tiny pen-sized
scanner which is able to scan words or phrases and immediately translate
them into other languages, or keep them in memory in order to transfer
them to the PC. Developed by the Israeli company Wizcom Technologies Ltd.^[46]

• Laser Keyboard - virtual keyboard is projected onto a
  wall or table top and allows to type handheld computers and cell phones.
  Developed simultaneously by the Israeli company Lumio and Silicon Valley
  startup company Canesta .^{[47][48][49][50]} The company
  subsequently licensed the technology to Celluon of Korea.^[51]

Computer software

Adi Shamir co-inventor of Differential cryptanalysis.
Algorithms include Shamir's Secret Sharing.

• Lempel–Ziv–Welch algorithm - a universal lossless data
  compression algorithm created by Abraham Lempel and Jacob Ziv of the
  Technion institute together with the American Information theorist Terry
  Welch.^[52]
• Babylon - a single-click computer translation,
  dictionary and information source utility program developed by Amnon Ovadia.^[53]
• ICQ - an Instant Messaging software developed initially
  in 1996 by the Israeli company Mirabilis.^[54]

Agriculture

Refinement of existing Drip Irrigation Systems by
introducing a non-clogging plastic emitter. Drip-irrigation (also called
micro-irrigation), was invented by Australian scientist Hannis Thill.^[55]
Refinement of this idea (involving a plastic emitter) was furthered in
Israel by Simcha Blass and his son Yeshayahu.^[56]

• The Tomaccio tomato was developed by Hishtil Nurseries
  of Israel.^[57]

  Drip irrigation at an Israeli nursery

• The Tomaccio tomato was developed by Hishtil
  Nurseries of Israel.

Energy

Rooftop solar hot-water system

Super iron battery - A new class of a rechargeable
electric battery based on a special kind of iron. More environment
friendly because the super-iron eventually rusts. It was developed by
Stuart Licht^[58] of the University of Massachusetts.^[59]

• Energy tower - Purely theoretical alternative
  electricity generation and water desalination technology in low cost. The Energy
  towers spray water on hot air at the top of the tower, making the cooled
  air fall through the tower and drive a turbine at the tower's bottom. The
  brainchild of the American physicist Phillip Carlson which was expanded by
  Professor Dan Zaslavsky and Rami Guetta from the Technion.^[60][61]
• A unique technology for producing hydrogen in vehicles
  as an alternative fuel source. It is produced by the Israeli company
  Engineuity and was invented by Amnon Yogev and Eli Gmaazaon.^[62]
• Improvement of previously existing flat plate solar
  water heaters - A home facility which converts solar energy to thermal
  energy. Following the energy crisis in the 1970s, The Israeli law requires
  the installation of solar water heaters in all new homes. It was developed
  by Zvi Tavor.^[63]

Consumer goods and appliances

Epilator

Epilator (originally "Epilady") - an
electrical device used to remove hair by mechanically grasping multiple
hairs simultaneously and pulling them out. It was developed and originally
manufactured at Kibbutz HaGoshrim.^[64][65]

• Wonder Pot - a pot developed for baking on the stovetop
  rather than in an oven.^[66]
• Micronized coating instant hot water pipes developed by
  A.C.T.^[67]
• Artificial gills - a theoretical special diving system
  that is not yet in production, currently being developed by the Israeli
  company Like-A-Fish Technologies which produces oxygen from water making
  oxygen tanks unnecessary.^[68]

Games

Rummikub

Rummikub - a tile-based game for two to four players
invented in Israel by Ephraim Hertzano.^[69][70]

• Hidato - a logic puzzle game invented by the Israeli
  mathematician Gyora Benedek.^[71]
• Taki - an Israeli card game invented by Haim Shafir.^[72][73]

Foods

Bamba - peanut butter-flavored snack which has been
manufactured by the Osem corporation since 1966. Bamba is one of the
leading snack foods produced and sold in Israel.^[74][75]

• Limonana - a type of lemonade made from
  freshly-squeezed lemon juice and mint, created in the early 1990s after an
  advertising agency promoted the then-fictitious product to prove the
  efficacy of advertising on public buses. The ad campaign generated so much
  consumer demand that the drink began to be produced for real by
  restauranteurs and manufacturers, becoming a summer staple in Israel and
  other Middle Eastern countries.^[76][77]
• Ptitim - wheat-based baked pasta. It was initially
  invented during the austerity period in Israel when rice was scarce.^[78]
• Shkedei marak - small yellow crisp crouton squares used
  as a soup accompaniment.^[79]

Physical exercise

Aviva method

See also

Science and technology in Israel

• Venture capital in Israel
• Yossi Gross
• Start-up Nation: The Story of Israel's Economic Miracle

Steven B had previously posted this.

Basil:

Steven B. certainly had his statistics, and information correct.

TEVA is one of the Largest Manufacturers of Medicinal Pharmaceuticals from Israel in the world.

Everyone's life could depend on their excellence of quality brands. Brilliance in Science and Medicine.

No one knows who is treating them to save their life-- a Specialist Doctor who is Jewish, and any doctor they go to. Would they refuse treatment if it were a Jew and their life depended on it?---

For years Jews and Arabs have shared buses in and out of the WB. If they were concerned about someone bombing those buses they would have done something like this before,especially a few years ago when they had the big bombing attacks. This is just another example of the apartheid solution that the Netanyahu government is following today. Even the Israeli media isn't fooled by the Israeli government excuses about security (unlike sadly,so many posters here). They recognize racism when they see it:

New routes to racism

Rather than express 'concern' for the Palestinians by excluding them from Jewish bus lines, it would behoove the prime minister to immediately put a stop to this racist segregation.

Haaretz Editorial | Mar.05, 2013

At the beginning of the week, separate bus lines were launched for Palestinians in the territories who travel into Israel. The Transportation Ministry claims the lines are meant to ease travel conditions for the Palestinians, but they're actually another manifestation of a regime based on discrimination and segregation.

Although by law a Palestinian with a permit to enter Israel cannot be prevented from traveling on regular buses, the police is preparing to enforce the separation. Consequently, a Palestinian who reaches a checkpoint on a regular Israeli bus will be asked to get off and wait for the special bus.

Palestinians traveling from Tel Aviv to Samaria were apparently already being taken off buses last Thursday. According to witnesses, an entire busload of people were ordered off a bus near the Shaar Shomron interchange, and their identity cards were checked. All of the passengers turned out to be Palestinians, and they were ordered to leave the terminal and walk to the Azoun-Othma checkpoint, 2.5 kilometers away. According to the police, they were merely implementing Transportation Ministry instructions.

Around four years ago the High Court of Justice disallowed the ban on Palestinians traveling on Route 443, arguing that the military occupier cannot build roads in an occupied area that do not serve the local population. Then Supreme Court President Dorit Beinisch, however, got upset by the comparison the petitioners had made between separate roads and the apartheid regime in South Africa. But the decision to separate Palestinians and Jews on the buses is another component of an apartheid approach, and demonstrates that those petitioners' arguments were not unfounded.

It's clear that the bus segregation is part of a more principled separation between the populations that is expressed in almost every area: In the allocation of areas for residential construction, in the different legal systems, in the unequitable distribution of resources and in discriminatory travel regulations.

Occupied territory is meant to be managed by the occupying state as a temporary trust for the benefit of the local population. There are clear rules aimed at preventing the evolution of a colonial or apartheid regime. The way the State of Israel is managing the territories is a far cry from the way occupied lands are meant to be managed.

Rather than express "concern" for the Palestinians by excluding them from Jewish bus lines, it would behoove the prime minister to immediately put a stop to this racist segregation.

Basil Romeo,

All excellent points.

By the way, where the phuck do you think the money came from to support all of the contributions, inventions, etc.? That's right - my pockets! Had it not been for my hard work and the Jew run media that controls the American political system, Israelis would still be trying to make a living from goat herding. I'm not trying take anything away from any of the contributions of those you mention, but I'll be goddamned if I'm going to listen to someone tell me that I need to understand how their social system works when I'm writing the checks. Pretty ballsy for someone who spits in the hand that feeds them.

Well, "hadenough", guess what ?

You WILL listen...because you have no choice.

WE Jews, and our accomplishments, are ubiquitous. Yes, your money funded a lot of our innovations, simply because you wouldnt be able to enjoy those things without US; certainly, you cant innovate on your own, so, you pay for someone with more intelligence than you, to make them. Fine, we understand.

But..in truth ? WE dont CARE whether you understand our system or not.

We Jews have been around a long, long time - and we WILL be around, so, get USED to it.

SO - just KEEP those checks coming, and STFU while we better your life.

@Uncle Bob (#1.76):

An apartheid regime certainly wouldn't allow freedom of the press and free expression of diverse opinions as Haaretz demonstrates. And you'd be surprised how quickly these security measures will be lifted if the Palestinians abrogate their covenant of genocide.

See: “Avalon Project: Hamas Covenant 1988,” Yale University School of Law for more information.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp

Read about the Druze Arabs who live in Israel in peaceful co-existence.

To Demosthenes:

Yes, the typical posters to these things have a lot more in common with Demosthenes than with Locke (as opposed to Valentine and Peter - just switch'em in that case.)

I hope your Locke is more pleasant than the original (Card version).

Racism....HA!

Maybe the Israeli should just not allow the Palestinians to work in their country and the problem would be solved. Americans can't just go to any country they want to and start working. Is THAT considered racism? No. The nomads are lucky to have jobs. They should be forced to say that Israel has a right to exist before getting on ANY bus to Israel.

BR-An apartheid regime certainly wouldn't allow freedom of the press and free expression of diverse opinions as Haaretz demonstrates. And you'd be surprised how quickly these security measures will be lifted if the Palestinians abrogate their covenant of genocide.

And yet they did. South Africa was a democracy (mostly,as is Israel) for its white population. Just as Israel is a democracy for its Jewish citizens.

As you've already been informed,for years there was no segregation on the buses. But now the Israeli government is upping the apartheid in Israel. It has nothing to do with the Palestinian's policies,and everything to do with the spread of racism in Israel.

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At least they can be sure that Israel wont blow that bus up! They only blow their own people up, (like in Bulgaria) in false flag attacks, to make others think they were attacked! Israel is the best at false flags!

I sure hate when idiots try to suppress the truth by trying to hide it! So lets do everyone cognitively dissonant person and repost!

Marchant

mqira:

Oh, so the Alien has arrived from Mars---#1.23---

I wouldnt know....Is that what you are claiming? and why is Alien capitalized? Is that your god(s), Mar-chant?

Jeff-573598

Mqira: (Post 1.23)-

Sorry I missed your post the first time around.

Congratulations - of all the posts on here, you take the prize for idiocy. Your mom would be SO proud.

If a mentally handicapped child gave me a really silly picture or a sticker...I would accept it, to make them happy! So I will doo the same with you!

I'm gonna share some info here, just for you, Jeffery-poo! My mother disagrees with me and is a "CUNY"Christians United for Israel, and she is brainwashed, as you seem to be too. Its tough to deal with narrow minded, or closed minded people such as you, but as a person who believes in the truth, or exposing the truth, I will contine to share. You can still bury your head in the sand, just like to ostrich who believes that will make his dangers go away, but the fact still remains!

Mqira: I before E except after C...Q with no U, it's a Muslim piece of doo.

Segregation was "needed to keep the peace" in South Africa, too. Isn't it sad how that country collapsed after apartheid ended? Except, wait, I forgot. It didn't.

what white person said that about a black person here in America not too long ago.....history is repeating itself, only now (in the ME) its about religion and not so much color

think about it....reefer madness that black people were gonna murder and so forth....this is nothing but prejudice....hysteria brought on by fear....

can you even believe we thought those things about African Americans....but we did and now we know it was fear that made us act so ugly towards another...

"A riot broke out Tuesday morning when Palestinians discovered there were not enough buses to take them all to their jobs in Israel."

If Palestinians hate Israel and Jews so much, why should they go to Israel?

Why can't they create jobs in their own places?

So Israel has to provide jobs and buses to carry them to jobs!

Can there be a set of people, who want more and more?

yeah,

LMFAO!! I've been to South Africa. The most dangerous country on earth! The smart people are leaving that dump in droves! SA has absolutely collapsed! LOL!

Liberals. God love em! LOL!

RLT - Only one difference, they have been launching bombs into Israel, have blown up cafes and buses and are very vocal about the destruction of an entire race of people. I think some caution is necessary. You know it's only a matter of time before they take a bomb on a bus and set it off. They are a hateful type of people and keep spreading it to their children so the cycle never ends.

Black people in the US did not have those type of weapons nor were they that violent.

Jonathan-1982062

Why can't they create jobs in their own places?

So Israel has to provide jobs and buses to carry them to jobs!

You're joking right?? Do we "create" the piss-ant jobs we give to the illegal aliens just for them? No, we give them the jobs no one else wants to do and they take those jobs because they don't have any other options. The same is true in Israel, if the Israelis didn't want to hire Palestinians they wouldn't. If the Palestinians could just magically create enough jobs to fill their need they wouldn't work in Israel.

LOL Ray, segregation is part of the reason for no peace, not a method to create peace. it creates pieces.

johnatan: because Israel wont let them,. Blockades, destruction of factories, the embargo on farm goods etc. Palestinians get the crap jobs at low wages to keep Isreal rich. If the palestinians had any brains, they would simply Boycott Isreal and cripple their economy. Maybe some day they will learn from Gandhi.

George ! Careful - your ignorance is showing !

1. Israelis are not rich.

2. Israel gives hundreds of millions of dollars in aid to the Pals - sure, they blockade some items (even construction equipment which has dual use). They've built and maintained Pals' water and electric facilities.

3. Oh..yeah, as to the blockade - I dont SEE your earlier posts condemning EGYPT for the blockade of their brothers in arms..why IS that ? Oh, because it's not ISRAEL. And, further, why do you think Egypt DOES blockade the Pals? (lol, oh, yeah - because Egypt is a "puppet if Israel). Right.

4. "Israel wont let them IN "? Seriously ? Thousands every day come into Israel to work. Low wages ? gee, first, I dont see your posts lamenting the low wages in the U.S> for unskilled Latinos - can you help me find those ? Oh, right, sorry...forgot - it's ISRAEL. And, while on the subject, I guess you advocate paying UNSKILLED laborers at MBA rates ?

5. Arent you the same TOOL that laments Israel calling itself a "Jewish" state ? WHERE is your post condemning the 17 "Islamic" states in the region - oh..yeah, that's right - it's ISRAEL.

Jonathan-1982062

"A riot broke out Tuesday morning when Palestinians discovered there were not enough buses to take them all to their jobs in Israel."

If Palestinians hate Israel and Jews so much, why should they go to Israel?

Why can't they create jobs in their own places?

It is their place, however British gave their land away, and now Israel is even taking more and mroe away....see how Palestine has shrunk in the past 60 years! Google it!

I wonder why israel hates Palestineans so much? I would be nice to someone if I lived in their house!

You tell 'em mqira

thats exactly it

Blackcountry164 and others: Why should illegals come to the US or go to any other nation?

That means that the country they were in was so bad and these illegals feel that they will do better in the US.

It is not the mistake of the US.

In the same way, it is not mistake of Israel, if the Palestinians go there for jobs.

Let us leave Israel for a moment.

Is there any Muslim majority nation, which is not messed up to the neck? And some have simply become basket case nations.

The easiest thing in life for what one has done is to blame someone else!!!

Roadlesstraveled,

Your comments are ignorant. Im trying to follow your logic and at the end of it, I have come to the assumption that you are a dumba$$.

How can you even possibly compare this situation between palestinians and Israelis to the Blacks and whites of America?!?!

Your are correct that the segregation that took place between black and white people was wrong, however this situation in the Middle East is a little different. The Palestinians constantly send a barrage of bombs and missiles over the border to Israel. There are constantly suicide bombings to kill all Israelis. That is why there is segregation.

Tell me again how you can possibly compare this to the segregation between black and white people again?!?!

Dumba$$. Im guessing you are a liberal, right? You have absolutely no logic.

What is needed is not a Rosa Parks but a Martin Luther King Jr. So long as the credible threat of suicide bombers is an issue, the security of the people is the primary concern. Someone who is willing to blow himself or herself up to kill others will go to insane lengths to get a bomb onto a bus, including having it inside body cavities. There is no way that searches can be comprehensive enough to ensure safety. And even if the checkpoints were to have the personnel and time, that would still be depicted as unfair and inhumane by the mainstream media. The blame should not be on Israel in this matter, it should be on an Arab government that routinely and consistently glorifies suicide bombers and terrorists, and which teaches children that vengeance is their goal.

Arthur,

Good for you! Logic....I like it.

Well, suicide bombings, only 70 virgins can instigate that. Some would do it for less virgins.

Jeff-573598

George ! Careful - your ignorance is showing !

1. Israelis are not rich.

He didn't say they were. He said Israel is rich. Learn to read. Compared to the Palestinians, Israel is indeed very rich.

2. Israel gives hundreds of millions of dollars in aid to the Pals - sure, they blockade some items (even construction equipment which has dual use). They've built and maintained Pals' water and electric facilities.

And yet the Palestinians have a much higher poverty rate than the Israelis. That would be because the blockade prevents any real progress for the Palestinians. If your water and electricity was free, but you still struggled to get by, you would still be poor, wouldn't you? Water and electricity hardly constitute prosperity.

3. Oh..yeah, as to the blockade - I dont SEE your earlier posts condemning EGYPT for the blockade of their brothers in arms..why IS that ? Oh, because it's not ISRAEL. And, further, why do you think Egypt DOES blockade the Pals? (lol, oh, yeah - because Egypt is a "puppet if Israel). Right.

4. "Israel wont let them IN "? Seriously ? Thousands every day come into Israel to work. Low wages ? gee, first, I dont see your posts lamenting the low wages in the U.S> for unskilled Latinos - can you help me find those ? Oh, right, sorry...forgot - it's ISRAEL. And, while on the subject, I guess you advocate paying UNSKILLED laborers at MBA rates ?

5. Arent you the same TOOL that laments Israel calling itself a "Jewish" state ? WHERE is your post condemning the 17 "Islamic" states in the region - oh..yeah, that's right - it's ISRAEL.

One does not have to comment on every instance of a particular wrong to be correct when commenting about a single instance of that wrong. All three of these points are entirely without merit as they do not address the issue at hand, but instead try to cast the writer as incorrect based on unrelated issues.

Try staying on topic please. Focus is your friend.

Backcountry,

Qatar has just announced a multibillion investment in the West Bank and last year they got their first 5 star hotel. The GDP growth rate in the West Bank is around 7% so growth is there and the jobs will follow, it just takes a confidence to invest.

Mr. Abbas has decided to work with Israel and as long as he stays on a path to peace his people will prosper.

And yet the Palestinians have a much higher poverty rate than the Israelis.

Yup. Their higher poverty level MUST be due to Israel. It CANT have anything to do with their being uneducated; cant have anything to do with them teaching hate instead of ...well, anything else. It has nothing to do with their repression of their own people; nor anything to do with prohibiting their women from going to school. Sharia plays no part.

Baja - how does it feel to display your foolishness to EVERYONE on here ?

No idea.

1. Israelis are not rich.

2. Israel gives hundreds of millions of dollars in aid to the Pals

You tell me.

No idea.

1. Israelis are not rich.

2. Israel gives hundreds of millions of dollars in aid to the Pals

You tell me.

OK..so I'll TELL you.

Israel gets aid and, in turn, gives that aid to the Pals (a portion, obviously).

Why do you think they DO that ?

(Still waiting for an intelligent response, Baja)

joe, it's called self preservation, get a clue

Self preservation Joe ? Thats what the Klan said in Mississippi. A bunch of BS. APARTHEID is the word your looking for tool.

Terrorism and racism are also two different things.

Nobody was worried Rosa Parks was going to blow up a bus. Israeli's rightly worry that Palestinians will blow up a bus. The reason they are worried is because the Palestinians have done it over and over again. If the Palestinians want to be treated differently, they can start by not blowing things up.

Hmmm. I see both sides. If u lived in a country smaller then Florida and u had car bombs and suicide bombers all the time.... U would do this too. Remember it's for going across the border, not just moving around the country. It probably makes detecting bombs easier if u cut down the amount of buses u have to check.

@mean.....but if Rosa parks and her crew were known for randomnly shooting RPG's into the country at night...do you think security would be beefed up??

And please note that there are now Israeli-only buses. And please also note that Israel's own human rights groups are as outraged as their country's most bitter critics.

I'm sure there are no Palestinians that hate all Jews either... no no.. of course not... It must only be the Jews that are the racists..

And then let's just ignore the fact that the Palestinians hate the Jews so much they like to blow themselves up just to kill a few.

Islam isn't a race. Muslims aren't a race. Palestinians are not a race. But, libtards are stupid.

The really stupid thing about all the people crying for a Palestinian Rosa Parks is that if some such Rosa Parks went onto an Israeli bus... she wouldn't get arrested anyway. There is no law that says these people cannot use the standard buses.

Nobody was worried Rosa Parks was going to blow up a bus.

Maybe not blow up the bus but they sure as hell were worried about contamination. I would think a bus full of Israelis only would be more of an inviting target than one that may be carrying some relatives of terrorist.

Cassandra:

That there are Israeli Human rights groups outraged by this is of no moment - Ultra leftists who place political correctness above loss of life are common in EVERY country.

These people believe that the deaths caused by suicide bombers is just the price one has to pay for "equality"; Just as those libs who believe in the disarming of the American people - you see, WHEN that rapist comes in the house you would deny her the right to own a gun - "she" should just "spread"...for the common good, of course.

SHOVE your political correctness. And to those Israelis who choose "life" over "P.C.", I say "power to 'em"

Jeff, you say that "Ultra leftists who place political correctness above loss of life are common in EVERY country" then go on to criticize those you say want to disarm America. Don't you realize that more people are being killed with guns in America than Israelis being killed by bombs in Israel? Do you even care?

Yes, shove your political incorrectness alone with your ignorance.

I own guns...many of them. Some has been handed down to me..some I have bought but I refuse to believe the propaganda from gun rights nuts that try to scare people into believing that Obama is trying to take them away from me. They're not trying to disarm America as you so stupidly claim, they want to stop criminals and the mentally handicap from getting their hands on guns. The NRA is only worried about the money they get from the gun and parts manufacturers. They really don't care how many people are killed by guns that should not be in the hands of criminals or nut cases.

Good comments Jeff.

One more time. The last true friend of the Apartheid State of South Africa was Israel. They have learned their lessons from the best. At this rate they will be using the phrase "Master Race".

Americans are racist for not allowing Al Qaeda and the Taliban to set up their base camp in Washington D.C. right next to the white house!!!

Do I sound like I am starting to understand the logic of a liberal yet?

Larry:

Of COURSE I realize more ppl are killed in the U.S. by guns than by terror in Israel -so what ?

You ask if I care. Sure, but disarmament is not the answer. Disarming Americans will leave only law abiding people without guns.

If you dont take steps to ameliorate death and terror in Israel's buses, people will continue to be victims of that terror.

If you made a rule that children cant be searched in airplanes, terrorists will (and do) hide explosives on children.

These are all truisms. And, yes, I reiterate, P.C. sheep like you say "Damn the realities - damn the death toll", and pat yourself on the back for being so....progressive.

Jeff,

You just body slammed Larrys comments into the ground. The ignorance from Larry is astounding. I wish we could ship him off to Israel so he could possibly get a grasp of what it is really like to be bombed everyday and then we can poopoo him when he wants to avoid conflict by segragating himself from the bombers.

Larry, you sir are a textbook liberal. You have absolutely no logic whatsoever. You are a dumba$$ and you are a liberal.

Jeff,

Racist? Really? What would our response be if Canada and Mexico were lobbing missiles at us routinely? Just look at our response to the 9/11/2004 attacks on our soil.

Sue-

I think you're preaching to the choir.

Where has the word "racist" appeared in my post(s)?

I agree with you - what am I missing ?

Larry, You are naive at best about some people in the government wanting to take away our guns.

"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here." That is from Senator Feinstein it was a long time ago but the position has not changed.

Are we occupying Canada or Mexico and giving them a reason to lob missiles at us ? Your missing the whole picture here. All this will go away if Bibi was a peace maker instead of a hawk who promotes settlements in the West Bank. These settlers shouldn't even be there in the first place, according to International law they are there illegally.

Yeah, Justice.

Because, prior to '67, when Israel took the territories, there was peace, right ?

What was the reason prior to '67 ?

Oh, yeah, that's right, because the Arabs believe that Israel shouldn't exits at all, because the land was never Briton's to partition, right ? So that justifies the terror.

Good. So we now see your true face. If Israel's presence in the territories is sufficient justification for the rockets, then, if and when Israel leaves the territories (meaning "West Bank" as they left Gaza 6 years ago), the Pals would STILL be justified sending the rockets.

Good, Justice - at least we now see your REAL stance.

Jeff, compared to today, prior to 67 there was peace. Jews, Muslims and Christians lived there and got along. After 67 the demographics changed with the addition and influx of the European, Russian Jewish migration. My family is from that area so you can NOT BS me when it comes to the history of that area. You are blinded by your zionist ideology. The Palis will not simply vanished after thousands of years of living there, just like the Jews and even the Christians.

Justice...."prior to '67 there was peace'"?

wow -just wow.

And, prior to '56 , there was peace too ! Right up to the moment when the combined forces attacked Israel.

There was ALSO peace in early May of '67, right before the armies massed at Israel's borders.

Yes - I am blinded ...by logic, history and facts.

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Why should I be forced to be offended?

No one is forcing anything on you. You are free to move somewhere else and live under whatever rock you choose.

Maybe I read it wrong but was it not the illegal Jewish Settlers who complained about sharing a bus with the Arabs when entering Israel.

You read it wrong, it's not possible for a Jew to be an "illegal settler" in Judea.

Sorry Eli but the majority of the world, including the UN disagree with you and rest of your zionist buddies. Keep wishing though.

The majority of the world does not really give a dam. They just try to humor whichever country supplies them with oil at the moment.

As for UN, they lost their authority on the subject the day they allowed Jordan to take over Jerusalem.

Now, the only groups who have a say in the situation are Israelis and Palestinians, they could work it out and set proper borders, but Palestinians insist on all-or-nothing approach, so they get nothing.

Yeah right...thats why we have Palestinian illegal settlers throughout the West Bank and a pro- zionist settler PM in Abbas.(sarc off) Also thats the same UN that help create the State of Israel, so do give them some credit. There is room for both people in this area of the world but it will take the right leadership along with an aggressive campaign of isolating and excluding the extremist elements on each side. At this point the "All-or-nothing" folks with power are Bibi and his flock of settlers.

Exactly. Neither was the black movement lead by MLK Jr. If these idiots become passive, then it will easily end well...but they can't. The Koran is clear on this.

You are not informed of the Peaceful Intifada. Those that lead that peaceful resistance were deported from Israel. That would have worked here, in the US, too. If only the southern leaders had deported MLK!

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Rosa Parks wasn't a suicide bomber.

She probably would have been, if the US drove tanks over her land and house and destroyed her family, and threw her off her land!

Well, mqira - I doubt if Ms. Parks' family would agree with you, but you know what she would or would not do, right ?

And, of course, I'm SURE you KNOW that giving back the territories would result in peace, right ? Again, because you know better than Iran, Syria, Hammas. PLO and Hezbollah who have NEVER said that.

Americans, of African descent, had two paths they could follow: MLK, or the Black Panthers. Be glad they chose the former. No so with the majority of Palestinians.

If Rosa Parks stepped on an Israeli bus, the Israelis would blow her up and blame it on Iran. It would be another Israeli false flag attack.

The Israels bomb in an altogether different way. They have an IDF pilot strap himself into an F16, where he then takes off and bombs or fires missiles at Palestinian or Lebanese targets. After his bombing is complete, he flies back to his base, goes home and shags his wife. His targets are killed, along with collateral damage, but he doesn't give a rap, he is a Zionist. Zionists have no empathy for anyone but a Jew. Anyone who can read, can see it on these forums.

The PLO freedom fighter who bombed his target, out of dispair from losing his home, his land and possibly his former family, is dead.

And let's pretend we don't know that those targets are people who fire missiles into residential areas of Israel.

If Israelis don't bomb those "targets" they will keep firing until Israeli wives and children are dead.

Of cause the rocket-launchers are set on top of hospitals, schools or residential buildings, just so the likes of Ralph could get materials for their posts in hope to make us cry about "collateral damage."

Now, Ralph is telling us that blowing yourself up on a bus is noble freedom-fighter thing to do, because they do it out of despair, and if they don't do it (oh horror) they might be forced to live next door to Jews.

So, two Palestinian Moms on a bus:

One says to the other, tell me honestly, does this bomb make my ass look big?

It wouldn't be "racist" regardless because Muslims are not a race. Islam is not a race. Palestinians are not a race.

They are an ethnic group. When an ethnic group is segregated because of the activities of some of their members, we call this racism. Israel has acted in a racist manner.

What part do you not understand? Point it out and maybe I can clear it up for you.

Wrong, they are asked to use separate buses not because they are an ethnic group, but because they are citizens of a country that is at war with Israel, and when to countries are at war, their citizens have no choice but treat each other as a potential threat.

It's not about race, it's about safety in a war.

Take it a step further. Its the illegal settlers instigating the Palis. Remove them from the equation and all ends well. How would you like it if I came to your house and put you in the back yard and took over your place. What would you do ? Also, don't bother to call the police, they are on my side.

That depends, was that originally your house, into which I moved in while you were busy running for you life from psychos who wanted to kill you?

Did you offer me some good money for a permission to share the house?

Did I accept that money and than try to throw you out any way?

Nope. The person showed up with a book stating that their God gave them your house. In a nutshell, that is what is happening. If your insinuating that the Palestinians got paid for their property, then my friend my family got shafted or the check got lost in the mail, what ever helps you sleep better. But we never saw a penny and have squatters sitting on my families land. Heck one village were our property was located doesn't even exist anymore.

So, are you denying that Jews lived in Judea centuries before Arabs even considered creating their own country? Really?

I am sorry about what happened to your family, but when exactly was that?

I bet it was in 1948.

Well, Zionists were buying land for over a century prior to that. They were indeed paying three or four times the const of the land that was not actually used by anyone, but then they would be attacked by Arab gangs most of whom were just looking to collect some protection money, but some simply didn't like Jews living next door. It was all downhill form there.

If you fellow Arabs had not started those tensions, which by 1948 escalated into a full-out war, you village would be still standing. So, don't place the blame for the troubles of your family solely with Israel.

Also, there is plenty of Arab citizens in Israel right now, simply because their families chose not to participate in the war. They have full rights of Israeli citizens, and no one is throwing them out. Perhaps you and yours should've made the same choices they did.

That's a great point. The reason nobody likes Jews is because they don't want suicide bombers to blow up a bus.

Jews can't hold a candle to the professional faux victimhood of Muslims.

Islam is poison.

Two Palestinian Dads on a bus:

One of them says nostalgically to the other - Ah kids, they blow up so quick.

What an a-- you are. In case you didn't notice, the people making the biggest stink about this are Israeli Jewish human rights activists. They're large in number, but unfortunately not large enough to topple the right wing government (similar to our inability here to oust hard right wingers from control of the House).

Additionally, in case you didn't notice, MOST (a large majority that used to be around 70%, but has dropped to about 60%, still a large majority) vote Democrat in this country, even though the Democrats are seen as less supportive of Israel. THAT is because Judaism is a religion, and most Jews in America are AMERICAN first, just like MOST (not all) Methodists, or Catholics in this country are AMERICAN FIRST, and Catholic (or whatever else) second or third, etc.

Your comment is as racist as the idiots in the Israeli government who came up with this idea. A lot of good people however, are also working there trying to find viable solutions to protect people from being blown up that aren't unjust.

Most Jews who don't live in Israel (and close to half of those that do) can't stand the right wing control of governmen there, don't like Netanyahu, didn't like or support Begin, etc.

Just like here, they have intense political battles. The difference is that more of those battles are intimately tied to immediate life and death decisions for its citizens.

I can't stand the right wing in Israel, but that doesn't justify the neanderthal comment you left. And, the left wing in Israel is getting more support by the day. Especially with the help of non-Israelis - a case in point is the partnership between Daniel Barenboim and Edward Said (a non-Israeli Jew and a non-Israeli Palestinian) who have created several Palestinian/Israeli cultural partnerships bringing people together. They have formed youth orchestras made up of Palestinians and Israelis and perform throughout the West Bank and Israel. Believe it or not there are hundreds of efforts like this going on, and the people who want peace are getting stronger.

Even some of the hard liners on both sides (certainly NOT most of them) want peace, but don't understand how they can get there except through force.

Of course, anyone who can write the drivel you did won't see anything in my reply except "blah blah blah Jews blah blah, Jews, blah blah." But, there are other readers here besides idiots like you.

Israel's position regarding the palestinians:

No negotiations until the rockets and suicide attacks stop.

When the attacks stop: We'll get back to you soon. Meanwhile, we need more of your land to expand our settlements.

The Jews don't want peace, never did never will. How would they be able to grab more of the Palestinians land if there was peace?? it would be impossible. So they keep nibbling and nibbling at the palestinians land and when they figure they have most of the land then they will sit down and talk peace. I wouldn't trust those jews any further than I could spit. Which isn't very far. The Whole of Israel belongs to the Palestinians anyway and that is why they won't give up and someday believe it or not I think they will get ALL of their country back. Nobody in their right mind would have ever thought Syria would fall, but look at Syria now. If Israel really wants peace they should start talking and Stop building.

To Robert:

Oh, do you mean when Isreal UNILATERALLY removed all the Jewish settlements (forcibly) from Gaza? And then attacks into Israel proper began IMMEDIATELY, forcing tight control of Gaza's borders (which even Egypt did on their side because they didn't want the violence crossing onto their side either)? No, I guess you didn't mean that one.

Or, maybe you were thinking of Israel's occupation of the entire Sinai peninsula which formally belonged to Egypt, which which it had routinely been at war. And, when Egypt signed (and kept) a peace agreement with Israel the land was IMMEDIATELY returned to Egypt's control. No, I guess you didn't mean that one either.

In case you hadn't noticed, the vast majority of the world (which couldn't care less about Israel, and really, why should they have to?) know next to nothing about how things got this way. And yet, Israel knows that it is exactly these people, via the U.N. that will ultimately be making a lot of the decisions about what is accepted as the borders of a two state solution. Any new settlements in the West Bank, guaranteed, are seen by the Israeli government (who I do not support given their current right-wing policies) as bargaining chips in final negotiations, without which they KNOW they would end up with the short end of the stick. After all, it is exactly people like you who know so little about the vast and complicated history of how things got this way, that will end up having so much influence over how things go in the end.

Hold it RIGHT there, Robert-

You post is DEMONSTRABLY incorrect (gee, maybe you have an AGENDA ?)

The FACTS are:

1. Israel placed 3 building moratoriums in the territories, in order to talk peace; the result in each time was more rockets. (btw - the last 2 moratoriums were for 9 months apiece, the Pals refused to come to the peace table until 2 weeks before the moratorium ended, then demanded that the moratorium be extended)

2. 4 years ago, the IDF forcibly removed setters from the territories; the result was more rockets.

TRY to speak intelligently instead of from hate - at least some of the less informed on here will THINK you know what you're talking about.

AND YOU, TARZAN:

Who agreed to a 2-state solution in '48 " Israel.

Who didnt ? The Arab League.

Who started the wars in '48 & '56 ? Duh.....

So, you'll respond with "yeah, but in '67, who started it ? (Answer - once the armies of Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and Egypt massed on the borders, and Nassar gave the U.N. 24 hours to leave or die, YES, Israel struck first...and so would you under those circumstances, but, of course, we're talking about ISRAEL).

WHO have conducted 175 suicide bombings since 2000 ? (DUH).

Of course, YOU'LL respond with "w-e-l-l..Israel has killed many PALS (to which the response is "Yes, and every time you hear of an Israeli incursion, it's followed by "this was in RETALIATION for...".

As to your last sentence:

If Israel really wants peace they should start talking and Stop building.

1. As stated above, Israel has placed 3 moratoriums - the ARabs refused to talk peace.

2. You SEEM to think that the ONLY thing preventing peace, are the return of the territories - funny thing is, Tarzan, neither Hammas, Hezbolla, Iran, or Syria have EVER said this....their demand are 1) return of the territories; Reparations; Jerusalem; right of return. - but YOU know better, right ?

Jeff,

You are spot on and EXACTLY right in everything you just wrote.

Now, you must patiently wait for the reply from Tarzan and Robert. I gurantee they cannot legitimately come up with a educated reply. I promise you they cannot because they cannot argue the FACTS you just stated.

True, Corky, but "There are none so blind as those who WILL not see".

Unfortunately, there are many on here who will believe lies if they are repeated often enough.

Jeff, I suppose people will whatever fits their own personal views...which is why you conveniently ignore the Arab League's peace plan, much like Israel itself. Why is this significant? Because it offers Israel normalized relations. Normalized relations means a 2-STATE solution. There's not much headscratching going on as to why the Arabs did not accept the first agreement-because it took land from them, from their own states, to carve out a new Jewish state. No country voluntarily gives up land to make room for someone else, especially if they are not consulted on it up to that point.

This late in the game, it doesn't matter who deserves it, but you've got to know that your actions will have consequences. Hamas should know that shooting rockets will cause Israeli invasions, and Israel should know that discrimination will make Hamas grow. Since this is the WB, where Hamas is not in power, this is especially dangerous because it takes power from the moderate Fatah and gives influence to extremists like Hamas. Anyone with half a brain knows that ticking people off makes them want to retaliate! Israel should not be surprised! And these buses transport workers! Israel's economy benefits from these passengers, they're not blowing up anything!

Trying to use the Bible for land rights, are we? Well heck, Judea and Samaria were called Canaan first. What does it matter, anyway? I don't know if you have a calendar, but it's been a while.

And, why that is so hard to see escapes me. Let's get this straight, though. Islam = culture. Culture = Islam.

First off, it's *your. There ya go.

Second, no culture endorses strapping bombs to themselves. Terrorist groups do, but not cultures. You're (that's the correct way to use that word, by the way) making generalizations, and wrong ones at that.

Will do. Thanks.

Joe, tell that to the Muslims. Muslims are the most supremacist bunch of whack jobs on the planet. You libtards seriously need to open your eyes and re-plant your cerebral cortexes.

It was never thier land to start with.

The majority of the world believes that people are actually UNEQUAL. When our system (US) fails, the pendulum will swing to the extreme of this (genocide? It's happenned many times before) to reflect this view.

When you treat people unequally and take their land and their home and their lives, you get a people who will fight for their preservation

Yes, that's why the jews moved to Palestine-- because they're land had been taken from them, and many of their lives were taken after the diaspora in medieval europe, Czarist Russia and Nazi Germany; then they decided to fight for their preservation beginning in 1948 when they were attacked from all sides by muslim arabs.

Agreed Joe

LOL, Joe:

Fortunately, in this case, we know which came first, the chicken of the egg.

Israel took the territories in '67. For your post to make sense, there would have to have been peace prior to '67. NOT.

Try again.

There has also been a continuous Jewish presence in the Land of Israel for over 3,000 years.

What? You mean Palestine belongs to the Jews bacause of what was said in some fairy tale book??

Perhaps you never heard of the Islamic Conquests starting from the Arabian Peninsula in the early- 600's AD into the the Levant, to the east as far as India, North Africa to Spain, and south through the Sahel-- not stolen, right?

As far as your comment on a book of fairy-tales there is sufficient secular archaeological evidence indicating that presence of jews in the Levant far-predated that of palestinian arabs. And if you'll take the time to read the book of Ecclesiastes from the Ketuviim (or Old Testament), you'll find a treatise on existentialism that far predated that of Soren Kirkegaard's and is far more succinct than that of Jean Paul Sartre's.

Joe,

Why no mention of the 1.5 million Jews who were thrown out of the Muslim countries in the Middle East after the creation of Israel? What about their land and their businesses and their homes?

Why no mention that the Palestinians turned down a two state solution in 1948 or that when Egypt and Jordan controlled the West Bank and Gaza their was no request for a separate country?

You people sound like the plantation owners prior to the civil war. This is for their own good. Yeah my azz. You gutless americans with the two passports stfu. Let them all kill each othr, we just don't need to be supporting them. Within in 10 yrs we will be energy independent in this country and we can tell them all to go to he!!, including Israel. It is crap they are our allies, how many died in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanastan. You wimps put down the Europeans, they fight and die with us. We damn well better start spending our money on us not them. I know you two passport babies are going to call me anti-semite now right.

Over 150,000 Jewish Americans served in the Korean War. In Vietnam, 30,000 served.

No, DM, we are not going to call you "anti-semite", you are to stupid to qualify even for that.

By the way Israel has a plan for switching to electromobiles within 5 years, if they share it with us, we'll be able to tell all the Arab states to go to hell sooner than you expect. Want to ask them?

There has also been a continuous Jewish presence in the Land of Israel for over 3,000 years.

Well, golly, we should give it to 'em huh? Just because they were there? If that's the case, the U.S. should hand over Georgia to the Cherokee! God knows who would get Oklahoma! New Mexico should go to Mexico, because there are still Mexicans there...China should clear out of Tibet, because Tibetans have been there for centuries as well. Oh, one thing you forgot-there have been nonJewish inhabitants of Israel/Palestine for over 3000 years. But they don't get anything, right?

Oh Lord, the fun I could have with this statement...my sides hurt from laughing...

And, for the life of me, Dev, I simply can't understand why what you're saying isn't obvious to everyone. But, we live in a country of professional faux victims who relate to Muslims who are same.

Aha! But neither are Palestinians! Well, I guess if a handful do, then they're the same...if that's the case, we should just excuse the racism you're referring to. After all, Nat Turner hunted down and killed white citizens at will. The Black Panthers attacked whites. So all black are bad, right? Wait a minute-you said they're not all bad, it was a just an outside few? Then why are all Palestinians-or even most of them-bad?

Noone's saying that most Palestinians love Israel, or support Israel, but it's foolish to say that they all are jumping at the chance to kill themselves to destroy it. Spread your bigotry elsewhere.

You paranoid Zionist conspiracy speculators and getting so tiresome.

No, I'm not a Jew. I just have a brain.

Islam is poison.

You have a brain,it does not seem to be working too good,why don't you educate yourself to the real reasons that this has been going on for so long,instead of listening to the propaganda you are fed daily,you have a brain all right,a brain washed one,learn the facts troll.

Clearly, all your knowledge about Israel comes from CNN news - which hardly makes you an expert on the subject. You're not allowed to have an opinion if you don't actually know anything about the subject!! Go live in an Israeli settlement for a couple of months, see how your beloved arabs on the West Bank behave, how they place their children in front of them as a shield, see how they throw their pets under the military Jeeps wheels to cause the drive loose control over the vehicle, see how a woman pretending to be pregnant is carrying a bomb through the military post - go see all that and so much more, and then come back to your comfy existence here and tell us some more about concentration camps and "devil jews", you pretentious prick.

It is more propaganda from a paid jew troll,really a dog or cat thrown under a jeeps wheels will cause the drive loose control over the vehicle,what a pathetic attempt to justify the evil that you do,you pretentious prick,keep trying to spread your lies,they are falling on deaf ears,the world has seen through the lies and now know the facts you trolling pretentious prick.

To Tom -

No, you should educate yourself. I'm one of the people who thinks this bus idea is the wrong way to go and is (and will be seen as) unjust and racist.

However, all your "facts" are B.S. The vast majority of BOTH Jews and Arabs living in Israel and Gaza and the West Bank are relatively recent comers. With the exception of Jerusalem, and couple of villages like Hebron, the land was virtually unpopulated. There were (not a large number) nomads. And, huge tracts of land owned by absentee Arab owners. In the late 1800's a large effort was made by Jews to buy up land in the area. That land was sold to them by the then current Arab owners. Any land bought is NO LONGER MUSLIM land (as they like to think of it).

By the time the British left (they had no love for either the Arabs or the Jews), their demarcation plan was to give the areas with Jewish majority to the Jews (politically speaking) and areas with Arab majority to the Arabs (politically speaking). The Jewish section was in two pieces (just like Gaza and the West Bank today.)

The Jews accepted this arrangement, but the Arabs/Muslims were completely unwilling to accept ANY non-Muslim political entity, and started a savage war in which atrocities were committed by both sides (as in any REAL war for survival.)

Can't go into the whole history, but I'm sure you know that the Jews won that war. And, although, even after the initial borders were set, and also taking into account land aquired through defensive action when ATTACKED by their neighboring countries, only a small amount of land was obtained through being "taken" as you put it.

The main point, though, is that most people like you seem to have this picture of newcoming Jews ousting Palestinians who had lived there for millenia. That is just fairy tale. When huge numbers of Jews started moving to Israel starting in the late 1800's, huge numbers of Arabs followed because of the economic condiitions that were being created by the Jews. Huge amounts of new agriculture and commerce, growing cities, and far more individual freedom than anywhere in the region. There WERE quite a few Jews and Arabs who's families had lived there for centuries. But, the VAST majority of both Arabs and Jews were newcomers who's families immigrated to the area from the late 1800's forward.

So, you can certainly argue for either side, but to argue with an impression of newcomers ousting people from their familial land is just false, and an impression that one side in this conflict likes to foster for obvious reasons, but this is one of the EASIEST parts of the puzzle to get real information about due to land records, immigration/emigration information, various censuses, not to mention the detailed information that the British kept about the populations that they were in control of, pretty much from the fall of the Ottoman Empire until they left after WWII.

Another lie from another troll,just because you make a long comment,does not mean it is true, your lie about the land being uninhabited as been shown to be a lie and misinformation decades ago,people today are not forced fed there news and information by the jew dominated media anymore or have to go to the library to find out the fact,the fact are at our finger tips now,keep trying troll.

To Tom:

The difference between our posts isn't just one of length.

A major difference is that my facts are easy check out. The British just loved keeping meticulous records. I'd bet my left nut that you haven't even once gone to the original source. Like the British population records, which is available, by the way - I won't spoon feed you, but if you tried (and weren't an idiot) you could find it in under 2 minutes. You and I both know that you haven't. I don't for one minute believe you HAVE looked that stuff up, and then just come here and lie. I DO believe that since you believe your crap, you don't feel any need to look up easily found original source information.

The only thing true here is that the British have no love of Arab or Jew and that is still true today. Some people on here do not know that Jews only care about themselves. Which is why they have been persecuted throughout history and remember History does repeat itself.

Tom Matkowski - if you keep saying "lie, lie, lie", it doesn't really make it so... Since this is the only argument that you have (oh wait, "Jewish troll" is also a strong one), I can't even take you seriously. I have lived in Israel, my husband served in the Israeli Defence Forces for seven years, so surely I have a better idea what I'm talking to you than you do, because I base my opinions on actual facts and not "jewish troll" and "lie". Good luck with your hatred.

A Euro,

Then please explain why the Jews were crucial to the founding of the NAACP, The Urban League, etc. They are very active in organizations where there are people being persecuted whether they are Jewish or not.

You think you are the only ones that have served in the armed forces,you are probably one of the murders,how many women and children did you murder,you say you lived in israel,the land you were on was stolen so you could be there,oh wait, the whole world is wrong but you are right,you are not semitic you are a european convert from the middle ages,you have been thrown out of every nation,that you corrupted,oh wait they were all wrong but you are right,your stolen state has nuclear weapons and has never signed the treatys that the rest of the world has,oh wait they are wrong and you are right,oh wait if some one does not agree with you there is something wrong with them but not you,oh wait i forgot the whole world is wrong but you are right,and yes your lies are documented no matter how you want to twist and turn the facts,is it any wonder no one takes you people seriously,your facts are nothing but misinformation provided by your self for self serving purposes you recite,Good luck with your con,it seems to be unraveling before your eyes.

Come on, folks, Tom Matkowski is a pseudonym. The guy is obviously an Arab - you can tell by his grammar and his lack of knowledge (lie, lie, lie). He can't be bothered with facts.

Hey, Tom, your comment "you are a european convert from the middle ages,you have been thrown out of every nation,that you corrupted" needs a little explaining. Jews have been tortured, ghettoed, slaughtered, and deported for hundreds of years because they "corrupted" nations? Could you provide more information?

As all you "fact tellers" probably know, the truth is somewhere in the middle of what most Americans were taught in primary schools:

FROM: http://ifamericansknew.com/history/origin.html

The standard Zionist position is that they showed up in Palestine in the late 19th century to reclaim their ancestral homeland. Jews bought land and started building up the Jewish community there. They were met with increasingly violent opposition from the Palestinian Arabs, presumably stemming from the Arabs’ inherent anti-Semitism. The Zionists were then forced to defend themselves and, in one form or another, this same situation continues up to today.

The problem with this explanation is that it is simply not true, as the documentary evidence in this booklet will show. What really happened was that the Zionist movement, from the beginning, looked forward to a practically complete dispossession of the indigenous Arab population so that Israel could be a wholly Jewish state, or as much as was possible. Land bought by the Jewish National Fund was held in the name of the Jewish people and could never be sold or even leased back to Arabs (a situation which continues to the present).

The Arab community, as it became increasingly aware of the Zionists’ intentions, strenuously opposed further Jewish immigration and land buying because it posed a real and imminent danger to the very existence of Arab society in Palestine. Because of this opposition, the entire Zionist project never could have been realized without the military backing of the British. The vast majority of the population of Palestine, by the way, had been Arabic since the seventh century A.D. (Over 1200 years)

In short, Zionism was based on a faulty, colonialist world view that the rights of the indigenous inhabitants didn’t matter. The Arabs’ opposition to Zionism wasn’t based on anti-Semitism but rather on a totally reasonable fear of the dispossession of their people.

One further point: being Jewish ourselves, the position we present here is critical of Zionism but is in no way anti-Semitic. We do not believe that the Jews acted worse than any other group might have acted in their situation. The Zionists (who were a distinct minority of the Jewish people until after WWII) had an understandable desire to establish a place where Jews could be masters of their own fate, given the bleak history of Jewish oppression. Especially as the danger to European Jewry crystalized in the late 1930’s and after, the actions of the Zionists were propelled by real desperation.

But so were the actions of the Arabs. The mythic “land without people for a people without land” was already home to 700,000 Palestinians in 1919. This is the root of the problem, as we shall see.

I will try and explain it to you since you are so uneducated,for one thing it is called history,look it up you brainwashed idiot.

Got to love those anti-Israel essays that are always full of self-contradictions.

"The problem with this explanation is that it is simply not true" - they say, yet they don not deny anything in "this explanation":

They don't deny that Zionists were not driving people out of their homes by force, but purchasing land at triple value.

They don't deny that "They were met with increasingly violent opposition from the Palestinian Arabs".

They don't deny that Jews were not coming to the Middle East just to chill, but fleeing from pogroms in Eastern Europe.

They don't deny that Israel is in fact "their ancestral homeland." (merely slip a comment that "the indigenous inhabitants didn’t matter" and expect you to conclude that Jews are not indigenous to Israel, see as an one lie would not be as convincing as a little white hint.)

Their argument is that "Zionist movement, from the beginning, looked forward to a practically complete dispossession". Apparently, the authors feel entitled to condemn (and eventually kill) others for wanting or thinking something. Isn't that nice?

Then "Land bought by the Jewish National Fund was held in the name of the Jewish people and could never be sold or even leased back to Arabs". - I thought once you buy something it's up to you whom you sell or rent it to. It's called "free market". Apparently, some don't believe in that.

So, according to the "fact-tellers", it was OK for Arabs to start killing Jews, because Jews wanted something bad for them, and were not selling them whatever they wanted to buy, and Tom and IfZ actually think that they just revealed evilness of Jews and innocence of Arabs.

Impressive, isn't it?

#14.16- Wrong you are. ifamericansknew is not about calling anyone "evil or innocent"; they are about telling the truth without the pro Israeli bias of most media corporations. the main thing they attempt to show, as they are run by Jewish people, is that all Jewish people are not Zionists. Funny how in EVERY story about the I-P conflict, you same people show up with your vehement attempts to show the world how great Israel is. IF they were so respected amongst the rest of the world, why would you all have to do that?

I can't speak for everyone, but to me it's a reflex, when someone is saying that back is white and wrong is right, I simply can not help, but object.

I see you haven't contradicted any of my points, only tried to use sentiment to draw attention away from subject, hoping that no one will notice the faulty logic of your source.

That's what people do when they realize that realize that logic is not on their side.

Thanks Eli

FZ knew better than FZknew

I don't remember Rosa Parks blowing herself up, or even threatening to do it, in place of her celebrated passive resistance.

#14.9

Frank Zappa knew plenty about this aspect of US politics. and if he were alive, he would be telling you that a scam has been perpetrated on the citizens of the U.S. in order to prop up a country that can only survive by the murder and execution of those it is unwilling to tolerate in order to steal their land.

What the heck are you talking about? "This aspect of American Politics"(?) Changing the topic to avoid substance....well again fz would bury you....

He pointed out the little Muslim back in the seventies. & I believe he later woke up and smelled the coffee, reversed his take on Picot-Sykes after learning that it did not have any influence on the creation of the modern middle east by the San Remo Conference. Of course the English and the French were arrogant. What else is new? A a Muslim book that says, "revenge the crusades!"?

the U.S. in order to prop up a country that can only survive by the murder and execution of those it is unwilling to tolerate in order to steal their land.

WOW. Now you are frothing.

FZ would point out that "sky hyperbole thing" you are so fond of. What other tricks do you do during the day when you miss the short bus in the Am?

Imagine that : Jews stealing Judea and Samaria. You know the case in Gaza now:a Jew free Zone. THAT is also the model for Jewdea and Samaria (No Samaritans there now: the arabs saw to that too) ...excuse me, "West Bank". It too will be a Jew free Zone. In fact the Arabs can't shut up about it. You live under a rock. Didn't you bother to vet that cute little pamphlet you are gushing about? Nevermind. Someday if you are not a Jew you can visit the new 23rd Arab State that you have sacrificed so much for.

IEli really spelled it out best (14.18) and then you turned around and did the very same thing again. It Really makes it easy for you to get picked on dude!

Well, Dan, why don't you go over there and make sure that your Muslim buddies don't bomb buses so everyone can be safe.

Jews are no different than the nazis when it comes to the Palestinians

The last time I checked Jews were not leading the Palestinians into Gas chambers or mowing down children in firing lines.

Try thinking before you make ridiculous statements.

Pray Hard-662027...no, what we should do is tell Israel no more foreign aid. That $6 billion dollars you count on every year, well you can forget about it now. All the arms we give you, out the window.

No more foreign aid to Israel and you can kiss America goodbye. The muslim world has already declared they want America gone

It is because this country supports these fakes,that is why they do not like the usa,every one knows they stole the land and keep doing so today,the world has seen through the lies and misinformation,and they do not like what they have learned and continue to learn,lie upon lie upon lie.

Israel never stole any land, they bought some, and then won some in the wars they did not start.

Muslims hate USA, because US government was meddling in their politics, and American corporations were making money of them, while they still live in crap. Cant' really blame them for that, but expecting them to just forgive US, if helping Israel is beyond naive.

In case of Iran, it might actually be the other way around, it's more likely that they hate Israel only because Israel is an ally to USA.

You still spinning that story about how Israel came to be by legally purchasing Palestinian land. Show me proof ? Like I said, I'm still waiting for my check. Confiscation and repossession of Palestinian land is not considered a legally binding real estate transaction ! You really think people are not naive ?

Blacks just like to kill. Actually, we ALL like to kill. The human race looks to split hairs for reasons to kill. It's in our nature. Asians kill asians, blacks kill blacks, whites kill whites. Politics, religion, neighborhoods....just make an excuse and it becomes a reason.

We are violent creatures, I do agree with you to a point. However, Black people back in Rosa Park's time didn't make a habit out of bombing bus lines. In fact, it was the KKK that was violent during that time period, attacking bus lines that had black passengers. Also... We can't generalize the issue to say, Everyone kills... we're all evil... Because that's not dealing with the real situation here. Violent events are occurring and this is Israel's attempt to minimize the threat of this particular issue. To make any difference in this crazy world, you have to change one thing at a time. I doubtfully and wholeheartedly hope that one day Israel has peace.

Another point to add... Rosa Parks was a product of segregation that lead to desegregation. So everyone road the bus together and no black person was made to ride in a particular area of the bus. This issue is completely opposite. This is segregation that's caused by desegregation and for safety reasons only. So before you people go judging Israel, think about how scary it would be to be an Israeli on one of these buses. Put yourself in their shoes before you spew your hippie crap comments that are just so retarded that every single letter in your comment chemically melts another one of my brain cells... hurts so good

Yes, Palestine IS disgusting.

Pray Hard-662027

Yes, Palestine IS disgusting.

If Palestine is so disgusting, why is israel occupying Palestine?

If Palestine is so disgusting, why is israel occupying Palestine?

...probably for the same reason we quarantine OTHER diseases. To keep the infection from spreading.

Why are muslim arabs occuping Judea?

That's exactly what they just did.

AZIlib, muslim mentality dictates that you can only be understood by weak minded liberals. Even your camels know that Hebrews populated that region first. Arabs, jealous of Israel's thriving infrastructure and technology wants to kill off the Children of Israel. The Jews don't strap on suicide vests, only muslims do that. Don't turn the blame around, as my camel radar can identify you from miles away. Shooting murderous arab "children" with rubber bullets a bad thing? You teach your children to hate and then complain because innocent people don't want to be on their receiving end of rocks and AK47s? Only stupid liberals buy into your smelly camel dung. And your trillionaire oil sheiks spend a pittance of their wealth to keep the middle easternern muslims inflamed with weapons and hatred. Busses for palestians to work in Israel? Fine, as long as they don't kill innocent people while on their way to work in Israel. I wouldn't want to be on a bus with those maniacs. Don't they have any jobs in "palestine," or did arafat and hamas suck the economy dry?

You're so full of B.S. Case in point: "Their own jewish women loose their citizenship if they marry an arab." Did you get that from some tv show? Because it's easy to look up the laws there, and there isn't anything even REMOTELY like that. The only thing close (and it's not close and doesn't have ANYTHING to do with the Israeli government) is that many Orthodox Jewish synagogues will not consider you Jewish if you marry a non-Jew who doesn't convert. That has nothing to do with your citizenship.

All you facts are similarly just false. It's like me saying "if you wear purple in New York, you're not allowed to own property any more." Just saying it doesn't make it true, but you're counting on people not actually looking stuff up for themselves. And people like you hear that kind of thing and just believe it.

HeyAsslib:

Do you know WHY we ignore the U.N. ?

Simple: While correct that more U.N. resolutions have been passed against Israel than any other nation in the world, guess what ?

1. Next to Israel, the nation against which the U.N. has ATTEMPTED to pass resolutions against, is the good ol' U.S. of A.

2. The combined number of U.N. resolutions against Hammas, Hezbollah, PLO, PFLP, Black September are....

ZERO

I see anti Israel comments not anti Semitic comments and I see more anti Palestinian and anti Islam than I do anti Semitic. (and by Semitic I mean Jewish not Islamic-Arabs are also Semites).

Look folks, this is a religious conflict far more than any race issue.

Do people here realize that most Jews are no longer Semitic. To be a Jew is to be of the Jewish faith which is a religious affiliation. Many Jews in the world are converts who have no Semitic blood in them. The use of the term 'anti-semitism' is usually wrongly applied. The term 'anti-Jewish should would be a better fit.

Also, Palestinians are Arab (a race) and Islamic (a religion). They hate the Jews for religious reasons first and then for issues with control of the land second.

An Arab is half Semite and half Egyptian. Ismael was the first Arab. His father was Abraham the Semite and Hagar the Egyptian in the Bible.

Basically, you are witnessing a 3 or 4 thousand year old feud between the sons of Issac (Semites/Jews) and the sons of Ismael (Arabs/Muslims) concerning the inheritance of the land over there and spiritual dominance.

MSNBC is abusing the situation by making it about race when the issue mostly involves security, religious hatred, and land disputes.

If I were in the Israeli's shoes i would be doing the same thing to protect the East Bank Jewish settlers who are nearly all non-Semitic European Jews. See, no race issue there! If you separate the Palestinian day workers and Jews in separate buses there is less chance of bombs and terrorism being used against Jews on a shared bus.

End of story!!

Hey, Tom. The Khazar empire didn't exist during the time of the Old Testament. And you don't think Jews are Semites, like you? How on earth can you stay so ignorant when science proves you so wrong?

Keep trying troll,the blacks know about you too,the only allies you have today are the uneducated ignorant idiots,who really could care less about israel let alone find it on a map,lol.

But the buses are leaving the Palestine Territory so why are they full of Israelis ?

@A Euro: The aren't full of Israelis. Israelis do not generally go into Palestinian territory, hence no Israelis on the bus. Israelis can board if they really want to but it would be inadvisable of obvious reasons. Somehow this is getting painted as "segregation" just because one group chooses not to ride a bus. This is to make it easier for Palestinians to work in Israel where there are more opportunities for them. It's amazing they're let into Israel at all after the intifadas. The Israelis are too kind for their own good. This is how they get thanked.

Michael your logic is priceless. Its like the Klan saying because they burnt crosses on peoples front lawns, the smoke has killed all the mosquitoes in the area and therefore they have done a favor to the owners of the property. lol Classic I tell you.

Do you deny that Palestinians have been blowing themselves up on Israeli buses?

Do you deny that when to countries are at war, it's common for citizen of one country not to be able to travel to another?

Do you deny that Palestinians are still able to travel to Israel to get a job and earn some money, ins pite of all of the above?

Do you deny that they are living under occupation ?

Do you deny that two wrongs do not make it right ?

Do you deny them the right to fight for their freedom ?

Do you deny that these settlers shouldn't even be there in the first place ?

Open you eyes and realize that no country is perfect, specially Israel. Once a lot folks do that, then maybe there is a chance for peace. And if you think they have the same freedoms as Israelis do, then you are living in make believe land.